The Perfect Bid

Summary

True Crime Obsessed – "The Perfect Bid" Recap

Date: August 19, 2025
Podcast: True Crime Obsessed
Hosts: Patrick Hinds & Gillian Pensavalle
Episode Theme: An exploration—through humor, nostalgia, and some pointed sass—of the documentary "The Perfect Bid," which tells the story of Ted Slauson, the superfan who nearly “cracked” The Price Is Right by meticulously memorizing prices and helping contestants nail perfect bids. The hosts discuss the blurry line between “cheating” and “playing smart,” TV nostalgia, game show history, and the one-in-a-million moment that shook up the show’s rules.

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Overview

The episode is a recap of the true-crime-adjacent documentary "The Perfect Bid," focusing on math teacher and Price Is Right superfan Ted Slauson. Ted’s encyclopedic memorization of product prices led to a game show phenomenon (and a minor scandal) when his guidance enabled contestants to get perfect bids, culminating in an unprecedented, exact showcase win. The hosts, Patrick and Gillian, approach the subject with a characteristic blend of affection for kitschy TV, social commentary, and banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Enduring Appeal of The Price Is Right [00:10–02:35]

• Both hosts reminisce about childhoods spent home watching Bob Barker.
• The app “Pluto TV” now streams both Barker-era and Carey-era episodes; a running joke ensues about Rosie O’Donnell nearly hosting the show.
• Favorite games: Patrick loves Plinko—“It’s not so much a pricing game, but it’s Plinko” [00:58, Patrick].

2. Who Is Ted Slauson? [03:06–05:46, 07:31–08:23]

• Ted is introduced as “a homosexual. I'm gonna say it right now.” [03:08, Patrick, delivered with trademark irreverence].
• Ted’s backstory: math whiz, standardized test designer, and organizer supreme—“He had spreadsheets before Microsoft Excel was a thing.” [07:36, Patrick].
• His cable access show "Homework Helpline" with Linda is highlighted as adorably wholesome.

3. The Anatomy of Ted’s Obsession [08:52–10:46]

• Ted's discipline: He tracked product prices—by hand—for years, cross-referencing brands and dates in spreadsheets, pre-digital.
• The hosts marvel at the effort: “Looking at these spreadsheets just gives me a fucking headache.” [12:47, Patrick].

4. Game Show History and Culture [12:55–16:25]

• Roger Dobkowitz’s role as PA/producer and his thesis on TV game shows.
• Bob Barker’s rise to TV fame: thrown on stage when the original host was too drunk to show up—“I thought, I like this. I’ll try to make ‘em do that some more.” [16:48, Bob Barker].
• Fun detour into the history of TV programming, with nostalgia for TV Guide and variety of 1970s morning shows.

5. Ted in the Audience – The Rise of the Human Computer [17:39–28:44]

• Ted's journey: vacationing with neighbor Dee to quiz himself en route to tapings; waiting in long lines; being passed over for years.
• The key: audience members can’t bring lists but can yell out answers; Ted’s accuracy makes him a minor celebrity.
• On his precise calling out: “When that happens like twice, everyone's gonna be looking at you” [26:08, Gillian].
• The hosts discuss how the show runners initially encouraged Ted and even had Bob Barker publicly acknowledge him:
  • “Let this be a lesson to you. If you watch the show every day, you too can get the exact right price.” [27:56, Bob Barker].

6. Ted's Long-Awaited Moment [36:10–41:21]

• After 24 attempts, Ted is finally called as a contestant.
• His legendary moment: nails the recliner’s price ($599), wins on "Punch-a-Bunch," and gets a special moment with Holly (model he publicly “loves” as his cover for being closeted).
• “I was, you know, very excited at that point.” [36:47, Ted Slauson]
• Holly gives Ted an autographed picture backstage, which he cherishes as the highlight of his game show journey.

7. The Legacy and Fallout: From Superfan to Scandal [44:21–57:02]

• After being barred as a contestant, Ted resumes attending as an audience member, now aiding others.
• Notable narrative: In 2008, contestant Terry Kniess (with wife Linda) wins a showcase with an exact bid, thanks to Ted feeding Linda the precise number.
• Multiple perspectives dissected: Ted, Terry, Drew Carey (the host at the time), and producers; Drew’s shock and the show's unprecedented halt after the win.
• “Congratulations, you won… actual retail price, $23,743.” [55:38, Drew Carey—delivered completely flat, illustrating his discomfort].

8. Rules Change & Lasting Impact [49:47–50:17, 56:08–57:02]

• After the exact-bid incident, the rules are changed; showcasing the tension between competitive fun and show integrity.
• Ted becomes a symbol of obsessive fandom—and how a single superfan can force a pop cultural institution to adjust.
• “He’s like the fucking fun police. Let’s make sure it’s no fun anymore.” [56:52, Patrick, on Drew Carey’s decision to tighten the rules.]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Comment | |-----------|----------|----------------| | 00:58 | Patrick | “Oh, Plinko. It’s not so much a pricing game, but it’s Plinko.” | | 07:36 | Patrick | “He had spreadsheets before Microsoft Excel was a thing.” | | 12:47 | Patrick | “Looking at these spreadsheets just gives me a fucking headache.” | | 16:48 | Bob Barker | “I got about three or four laughs. And I thought, I like this. I’ll try to make ‘em do that some more.” | | 27:56 | Bob Barker | “Let this be a lesson to you. If you watch the show every day, you too can get the exact right price.” | | 36:47 | Ted Slauson | “I was, you know, very excited at that point.” | | 55:38 | Drew Carey | “Congratulations, you won… actual retail price, $23,743.” (completely flat, shocked tone) | | 56:52 | Patrick | “He’s like the fucking fun police. Let’s make sure it’s no fun anymore.” | | 53:55 | Gillian | “Maybe we should only win both showcases. Let’s not make a big spectacle with the exact price.” |

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Intro/Historical Context: 00:02–03:00
• Ted Slauson’s Introduction & Obsession: 03:06–10:46
• Game Show Production History & 1970s TV: 12:55–16:25
• Ted’s Audience Years, Rules, and Culture: 17:39–28:44
• Ted’s Contestant Moment: 36:10–41:21
• The 2008 Perfect Bid Scandal: 44:21–57:02
• Rules Change and Legacy: 49:47–57:02

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Hosts’ Tone, Language, and Running Bits

• Playful nostalgia: Frequent reminiscence about childhoods spent with sick-days and TV; irreverence toward TV history.
• Progressive lens: Commentary on sexism (Barker’s Beauties, later gender inclusion), inclusivity, and the unique challenges closeted gay men faced historically.
• Recurring jokes: Plinko, audience banter, Patrick's obsession with spreadsheets, and mock-earnest critiques of salmon-colored La-Z-Boy recliners.
• Self-awareness: The hosts openly reference their own superfan tendencies and see a bit of themselves in Ted’s quirky, obsessive devotion.

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Final Thoughts

Through the story of Ted Slauson and his “perfect bid,” the episode provides a whirlwind tour of The Price is Right’s strange intersection of math nerdiness and pop Americana. The hosts revel in game show arcana while interrogating what counts as “cheating,” finding the humor in obsessive fandom, and sympathizing with how a charming, harmless, if eccentric superfan could upend decades-old traditions. As ever, the summary is peppered with tangents both hilarious and heartfelt, and wraps up with both respect and side-eye for the evolution of a TV institution.

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For More:
Next week’s episode: The infamous “Poop Cruise” disaster. Stay tuned, and expect more humor (“I feel like I missed a calling as a cruise director...”) and deep dives into the wildest corners of true crime and pop culture.

Transcript

[A]

Hey, Julie Bezavalli.

[B]

Hello. Patrick Hines, fam.

[A]

We're doing that thing that we do almost never. We're doing a repeat this week. Tell them what we're doing, girl.

[B]

We're doing that price is right one. It's called the perfect bid. This first aired in October of 2022.

[A]

Oh, my God. I only vaguely remember this. What happens?

[B]

This is the one where it's the guy who, like, he learns how to quote scam prices, right? He just studied the game and then, like, knew all the prices about everything and then was, like, helping people win. And then, you know, it was. It was like a scand.

[A]

But, but, but who doesn't love the prices, right? Oh, my God.

[B]

I used to, like, basic to stay.

[A]

Home and watch the prices, right?

[B]

Yeah. There's an app. This is not an ad at all, but there's an app called Pluto. They have two prices, right. Channels. One is the barker years, and the other one is the Drew Carey years.

[A]

Do you know that for a minute, Rosie o' donnell was going to be the host of the Price is Right? Like, where I feel robbed. I feel absolutely.

[B]

That would have been great.

[A]

All right, well, fam, enjoy this repeat and we'll say a quick on the way out.

[B]

Yeah, we'll see ya. Do you have a favorite Price is Right pricing game?

[A]

Oh, Plinko. It's not so much a pricing game, but it's Plinko.

[B]

Yeah, but it's like all luck y But everyone roots for you. It's fine. I get it. Everyone's just, like, happy you're there. Everyone's very supportive.

[A]

That's all.

[C]

He wins this game. They go to commercial, and it's time to start up again. And the next item up for bids. And it's a recliner. So I listen carefully, and I look at the monitor and I see it's Burk, Klein Wardell, who's just come down to contestants row, bids first. And I'm thinking, please don't bid $5.99. Please don't bid $5.99. Please don't bid $5,99.

[A]

$650. $650. Now let's go up here to Theodore. 599. 599. One of you is exactly right. $100 bonus for the contestant who bid 5.99. Theodore.

[C]

Very happy. I go up on stage. I almost trip going up the stairs. People say you don't really understand it till you're on the stage. And it's true. You get up there and you're just kind of like, oh, my God, I don't know what I'm doing. It's very exciting. And just.

[A]

Can I just say, this documentary has, like, an opening credits sequence. I've never seen that before.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, it's like a TV show.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, it's the Price is Right. Even though the Price is Right absolutely does not have opening credits.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was the Price is Right before your time?

[B]

No, I think the Price Is Right is everyone's time.

[A]

It's everyone's time. I remember the Bob Barker days. I would, like, stay home from school. And that was the thing you watched.

[B]

With your ginger ale.

[A]

Your ginger ale.

[B]

She didn't feel well.

[A]

Totally. And then you waited until Santa Barbara, the soap opera, came on.

[B]

You lost me. There was a soap opera called Santa Barbara?

[A]

Santa the Eden and Cruise of it all. We don't have time. Kelly Capel. It's where we got Robin.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That was her first gig. She had to leave that to go make the Princess Buttercup thing.

[B]

The Princess Bride. Princess Bride with my boyfriend and yours, Peter Fall.

[A]

Yeah, I forgot he was in that. He's the grandpa.

[B]

Yeah, he reads the story.

[A]

Every story's a storybook story, Grandpa. Maybe you could come over and read.

[B]

It again to me tomorrow. As you wish, Peter Falk. Anyway.

[A]

Anyway. Get us started, girl.

[B]

All right. So we meet Ted Slauson, gang.

[A]

He's a homosexual. I'm gonna say it right now.

[B]

Drops it in about halfway through.

[A]

Halfway through. I didn't know.

[B]

Yeah, because at first he does something where I'm like, oh, Ted, barf. But then also still barf. Even though you're gay.

[A]

Gays. You're not off the hook from the sexual harassment of women because you're a homo.

[B]

Can you say that for gay men? Because they seem to think it doesn't apply to me for some reason. It doesn't apply to women. It does.

[A]

Like, I understand that there's, like, a perceived closeness. And we're trying. Like, the argument is that we're just like, we love you and we feel comfortable and close. No, no, no, no. No groping and grabbing. I watched you almost knife a guy to death. Who I'm assuming is a homosexual.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

At a bar. Cause you didn't see him coming, and he planted one on you.

[B]

He came up and grabbed my face and kissed me, and I went, what the.

[A]

You had a knife in your hand. You had a steak knife in your hand.

[B]

I was eating an impossible Burger, as I'm want to do, but yeah. Don't grab us. No. No one grab anyone.

[A]

No. Exactly.

[B]

Can we just leave it at that?

[A]

No one grab anyone. Merch dropping the ball.

[B]

Answer yourself.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So Ted Slauson. And it's like, did he cheat the prices?

[A]

Right?

[B]

Or did he just come prepared? That's what this whole film is about.

[A]

Sure. But I wish this whole film was a documentary about a cable access show he used to make with a woman named Linda called Homework Helpline.

[B]

It is very cute.

[A]

Hi, I'm Linda.

[C]

I'm Ted.

[A]

You're Linda. I'm Ted. I don't know who you are. Who are we? I'm Linda. And the Homework Helpline is coming up in just a minute. As soon as we figure out who we are. What is this, like a cable access show where I believe that, like, nerdy Ted and his like, nerdy pal Linda would let kids call in and ask, like, their math questions.

[B]

Right. Cause I guess their parents were like, off, kid, do it yourself. Or their parents weren't working or something, and so they needed help. There was no Internet at the time. Like, they just called this TV show.

[A]

And we only get like two minutes of it. And then we see very wholesome. The co host, Linda, who thinks Ted is a gas.

[B]

Loves him.

[A]

Loves Ted, Laughs at all of his jokes.

[B]

I got Linda. I got great news. But I have some news. Linda, Take it however you want.

[A]

You're talking about the gay stuff. Well, yeah, yeah. She likes it.

[B]

I'm kind of like.

[A]

She does a little doughy eye. But it is.

[B]

It's sweet. It's a very wholesome show. He's very smart. He's good with the kids. Like, I get it.

[A]

We only get 30 seconds of it. I want a whole documentary. Homework Helpline.

[B]

But the reason we have that footage is because Ted has that footage.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which I love.

[A]

Well. And also, Ted seems like a very organized person. Ted knows where everything is.

[B]

We're gonna 90 minutes of how organized Ted is. Steve, you think you're organized?

[A]

Move over. He had spreadsheets before Microsoft. Before Mic. Before Mic.

[B]

One more time. Before.

[A]

He had spreadsheets before Microsoft Excel was a thing.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I couldn't do it.

[B]

You couldn't do it.

[A]

I'm allergic to the words Microsoft Excel. I can't even say them.

[B]

You did great that time.

[A]

Thank you. So because I had to practice, Steve.

[B]

Made you put them in your wedding vows.

[A]

Totally. Travel down the road.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[C]

My name is Ted Slauson, and I was born on an Air Force base in Massachusetts. My dad was in the Air Force from there. When I was six weeks old, we moved to Wisconsin, which is where both of my parents are from. Lived there for a few years, moved down to the Kansas City, Missouri area where my dad was stationed for a few years. And then in 1970, they moved to California, where my dad was transferred.

[A]

We do see some teenage photos of Ted where he looks very much like a cross between me, Elton John, and my dad.

[B]

Oh, great.

[A]

They're very not sexy. Okay, Ted, at that point in his life, had achieved the best he was ever gonna look. He was like a strong six, and he was really working it. And I relate to this.

[B]

I think he's still. He's got himself together now.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

No, yeah.

[A]

He found himself a great partner.

[B]

Right. I don't know if they're still together.

[A]

We don't know. We never meet the partner.

[B]

No. But we do meet Roger Dobkowitz. The Price is Right.

[A]

America's Lovin with the giveaway, a hit in prime time in the 1950s. By 1972, the producers decide time is right for a daytime version. Roger Dobkowitz started as a production assistant on the Price is Right. It was his first job in television. But we learned in 1972, the producers were like, all right, we need to move this shit to daytime.

[B]

Because it was such a major success. At some point it blew up.

[A]

Yeah. And so this is where we meet Roger. And he started as a production assistant on the show. He's explaining the way it worked in the old school days.

[B]

He's trying to explain math, essentially, because.

[A]

He says, and I appreciate you, Roger.

[B]

He's telling us how they would do the calculations for the showcase in real time. Because it was 1972.

[A]

They didn't have, like, computers adding it up. They had, like, calculators behind the scenes.

[B]

Calculator is a computer. But we won't split hairs, Roger. But he does say he was like, how do we even survive on this rudimentary equipment?

[A]

I know. Like, Roger, look, I would have been scared if that were my job. And I had to add up all the numbers. No.

[B]

So they. They give us a quick image of a TV guide from back then, which, of course, I screenshot.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

So at like, nine. Well, we have the Electric Company, episode number 78. Rita Moreno as an assembly line worker in a sketch on the letter A. Oh, my God. Sounding out words with AI.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

At 10:30. So it wasn't 11:00am back then. 10:30, we had the prices Right. Also a lot of competition at the same time. We had the prices right on Channel two. Concentration, Petticoat Junction. And then some religious nonsense called Encounter.

[A]

Petticoat Junction.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The bar was set real low.

[B]

Yeah. And at 11 came, you know, Andy Griffith and Gambit.

[A]

God, you know what? I'm alive. At exactly the right time, there was nothing to watch.

[C]

Nowadays everyone has four TVs and a million channels to watch. Well, back in the early 70s, there were four channels and we had one TV. And with six kids, obviously we had to all agree on what to watch. And my older brothers and sisters decided they wanted to watch the Price is Right. So grudgingly, you know, sat down and watched it with them, and by the end of the show, I was pretty much hooked.

[B]

So he, like, had to watch the prices. Right. But 10 minutes in, he was like, I loved it. I was hooked.

[A]

He's like a total math nerd.

[B]

Well, here's the thing. So he's a math teacher, but he also does mathematics assessment, which means that he writes and develops and reviews test questions for standardized tests. So he's like a math genius.

[A]

He's like a very specialized person who uses his power for the forces of beating game shows.

[B]

Right. But for anyone to beat the game show.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

It's not just about him doing it. It's not like that guy who did the same thing to Press yous Luck, where it was all about him.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

This is not cheating.

[A]

Like, this guy's legitimately, like, he gamed the system because the price was right. People were lazy.

[B]

Right. And they supported it to a point. So we'll get there. Drew Carey shut down the whole party.

[A]

Who knew that Drew Carey was such a fucking butler?

[B]

He's a real stickler. He yells at his best friend, Kevin Pollock. Kevin Pollock, who I love, asks him one single question for the sake of clarity, and he waves his hand in Kevin Pollock's subject.

[A]

Can I just tell you, I'm on the TikTok and I'm getting a lot of the between the two ferns clips.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Now, I.

[B]

Did you, like, just learn what that show is?

[A]

No, I. Whoa. You totally just. Okay. Boomered me with your eyes.

[B]

You. Okay. Millennialed me or whatever. About that San Jose show, Santa Barbara.

[A]

My point is just. I loved it until he used the anti gay F word. And it made me really mad.

[B]

Who did? Zach Gilbert.

[A]

Zach Gilvanakis. Yes. It was an event Stiller moment. And I got really mad.

[B]

Oh, that's annoying.

[A]

But it is really funny.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, it is really, because it's all just about him, like, being a dick and being a buzzkill.

[B]

Right. And, like, saying Jon Hamm isn't handsome and all these things.

[C]

So one week I got into, like, watching Price Is rights from, like, 1973. The same refrigerator freezer is on four different episodes that I watched, and it was $789 all four times. I'm like, well, see, there it is. There's proof. It was way back in the beginning. It was the same, you know, same stuff over and over.

[B]

He realizes that they have the same items on the show over and over again and the prices would never change. So like, yes, over the years they would because of inflation or whatever. But generally from day to day, the same week you'd have like the same fridge for the same price.

[A]

Which is just like. It's as though I'm running the ship over at the prices.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That's how I would do it. Because I'm a dummy. I mean, maybe the world was just greener back then.

[B]

No one was thinking anyone would do this. And honestly, if they did, good on them, you know, like, who cares?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So this is where I have in my notes. You think Steve Tipton is organized? No, but what Ted decides to do is track the prices and he keeps meticulous, and I mean meticulous notes.

[A]

You gotta remember this is before control F. The guy is like building spreadsheets that they're not searchable. Looking at these spreadsheets just gives me a fucking headache.

[B]

Yeah, they're dated, they're cross referenced. They're organized by date or organized by brand. It's unreal. Now we're back to Roger the PA. Yeah. And he wrote a 200 page thesis on, quote, the historical study of primetime network television audience participation programs from 1948 to 1968.

[A]

He writes his college thesis on game shows.

[B]

Because I love game shows.

[A]

I gotta say, it's super nerdy. But you know, like, this is a new thing because of Survivor. The Survivor fans are. So Cochran went to Harvard and he wrote his fucking. Don't you look at me like you don't know who Cochran is. Oh my God.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

It's like Johnny Fairplay. I know you're listening. We don't have time for this right now.

[B]

Right now you say Survivor. But what I was gonna say, this is actually a very interesting topic because there were all those famous like quiz show scandals in the 50s and like the FCC wanted to ban giveaways and then all these shows. Like, it is pretty interesting.

[A]

It's really interesting. And like Survivor as a game, like, because it was essentially created by the players, it's kind of fucking amazing.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

So my point is just that like the fact that this Guy wrote a 200 page thesis on game show play isn't shocking. Like people are fascinated by game shows.

[B]

Especially because there were scandals there too. Totally. So Roger the PA sends this thesis out to like 30 game show producers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And here's another thing that's like, oh, that's so nerdy. I love it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The credits only rolled Once a week.

[A]

This was when I worked at cnbc. It was the same thing.

[B]

Is that right?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

God. So what you'd have to do is wait until Friday or whatever to write them all down as fast as possible. And if you missed it, you had to wait.

[A]

Right. Because you couldn't even. This was like pre vcr. You couldn't even like tape it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh my God. And I sent a copy of my thesis out to like 20 or 30 game show producers. I saw Mark Goodson and Mark Goodson was one of those people. Near the end of the interview, he said to me, he said, when are you flying back to Los Angeles? I said, flying back? I'm driving back. He said, you drove to New York? And he said, roger, I decided to hire you because anyone that would drive to New York City for an interview has a lot of initiative. So. But he sends it out to all these producers and this guy Mark Goodson.

[B]

Yeah, a Mark Goodson television production.

[A]

But this guy like Mark Goodson, like himself, gets in touch with him.

[B]

And Mark Goodson, he did like basically every old famous game show you could think of. He was like a prolific producer. So Family Feud, Match Game, To Tell the Truth, Password, what's my Line? All those like old school famous ones.

[A]

How do you. What is. Who are you?

[B]

I googled it.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

But I know who Mark Goodson is. It's always like this has been a Mark Goodson television production.

[A]

There is a 65 year old gay man who lives inside you. And I didn't, I didn't real. I thought maybe the gay guy really liked the game shows.

[B]

All of a sudden he was kind of like goog this girl. Listen to me. How about ever steered you wrong?

[A]

Listen to me, he's. That guy has never steered you wrong.

[B]

Yeah, it's like a Ouija board almost. Gay man inside me telling me what to do. So Bob Barker's here.

[A]

All of a sudden Bob Barker's here, looking worse for the wear.

[B]

Yeah, I feel like this was sort of late in his lifetime.

[A]

He's no longer with us. Is that correct?

[B]

That is correct.

[A]

Okay, great.

[B]

Let me make extra short. See the gay man didn't the gay man inside.

[A]

How would he know?

[B]

Yeah, he is alive.

[A]

Is he really?

[B]

His birthday's December 12, 1923.

[A]

He can't still be alive. That he would be 100 years old.

[B]

He is alive.

[A]

What?

[B]

He's 98 years old.

[A]

Oh my God. He's the happiest person I've ever seen.

[B]

He's 6:1. This is all Just Googling.

[A]

Okay. When I was on duty, I had.

[C]

A disc jockey ship.

[A]

There was an audience participation show. The host didn't show up. He was never ashamed to take a drink. And I think that he probably over and by. But in any event, G. Pearson Ward came rushing in there. Bob, you have to. He said, you have to get out there and do that show. Grabbed the hand mic, went out, started talking to the audience.

[C]

And I got about three or four laughs.

[A]

And I thought, I like this. I've been try to make him do that some more.

[B]

But then he also got a start on tv because the host of what they call an audience participation show, fucking Price is Right, was too hammered to do the job.

[A]

Some guy hired me to be the fucking host of this show. I got two wasted one day, couldn't go to work.

[B]

And so they call me.

[A]

Yeah, totally.

[B]

But, like, it was live. It was like backstage. And they were like, get out there, kid. And then I shoved him out there and he got that really skinny pencil mic, of course. And like, the rest is history.

[A]

He says. He's like, I got three or four laughs. And I was like, I gotta do this for the rest of my life. He goes home. His wife Dorothy Jo had seen the show, and she's like, that's. You're better at that than anything you've ever done.

[B]

Do that forever.

[A]

This is what you do now.

[B]

And he was like, all right, okay, that's great. So also.

[A]

Oh, also, his wife calls him Barker.

[B]

Yeah, last time. Hey, Barker.

[A]

Barker.

[B]

Or is it like barker, hey, hey.

[A]

Barks.

[B]

Calling someone exclusively by their last name is Dorothy Jo.

[A]

She yells it for sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

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[A]

So we're back with Roger, the guy who wrote the thesis. After 12 years working on the show as a PA he gets promoted to a producer, and everyone's really happy for him. I'm like, it took you 12 years to get promoted from a PA job? 12 years.

[B]

I think he was doing a lot of other things there, but he's like the guy. He's like the. He's sort of, like, taking over.

[A]

He's the Gilman. Do you know who that is?

[B]

That's Regis and Kathie Lee, right?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Wasn't she always talking Gellman. Were they married?

[A]

No. Gelman was just a producer who I thought was gay, but then wasn't. But they would always talk to him behind, like, everything was Gilman's fault.

[B]

And then it became, like, a bit. Right.

[A]

Gillan was part of the show. Exactly.

[B]

They weren't married?

[A]

No. She was married to Frank.

[B]

Frank who?

[A]

Frank Gifford.

[B]

Oh, okay. What was his deal? Did he do anything of note?

[A]

Oh, my God, Jillian. He was, like, one of the most famous football players of all time, which is weird that I don't.

[B]

You give me that fucking talent. How dare you?

[A]

You're right. You know what? I strike it from the record, Erin. I strike it from the record.

[B]

Oh, my God. Never again. We've been through way too for you to give me that look over sportsball.

[A]

I can't believe I did that, madam. I can't believe I did that. So after 12 years, Goods liked me. And when there was an opening, he promoted me to being a producer because he realized not only do I know the show, I love the prices. Right. I just love the prices.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Any pride that I feel, I have.

[C]

To share with several people.

[A]

One of them right over here, Roger Dobkowitz.

[C]

He was a splendid producer and he.

[A]

Protected me in every situation where a little protection was needed. He's a producer. Bob Barker loves him. And then Bob says, and I thought this was suspect. Roger protected me in every situation where I needed protecting.

[B]

Bob, yeah, he see, what they're trying to say is that they became like great friends. And he's a wonderful producer and he's a wonderful host. And they like, always had each other's backs. But it is like, how much protection?

[A]

Yeah, Bob, how much? And we are aware, fam. We looked it up. We know about. There was like some accuracy against him in the 90s with one of the models that he had like a three year relationship with. And then she dropped the charges. So we don't quite know the deal of Bob Barker, but we know there's something there. We are aware.

[B]

Yes, yes.

[A]

So anyway, we're back to Ted. Ted takes a vacation with his across the street Neighbor, D. He's 18 years old. This is the most fucking. If I'm Dee, I am never forgiving him. This is the most boring vacation. They drive from wherever they live in Northern California to Los Angeles, but they take the longest route possible so that she can quiz him on the prices of the fucking toasters. On the prices, Right.

[B]

Ted says that D is still annoyed to this day.

[A]

It would be too. And also, like, he doesn't seem like he was out of the closet at that point. Maybe Dee thought it was something else.

[B]

18 years old. Yeah. I don't know. Hey, honey, let's take the long way to fucking.

[A]

So you can quiz me.

[B]

Ask me about that Frigidaire again.

[A]

It's like all mattresses. Fucking coffee makers. Totally.

[B]

So here's what happens when you get to the prices, right?

[A]

Because that's where they're going. Their vacation is that they're going to go watch the prices.

[B]

Yeah. No, he's not being quizzed just for fun. Although from what we know about Tammy.

[A]

He would love that.

[B]

That's what he does on Friday nights, which is fine because it got him here. Happens when you get to the prices.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I'm also shocked. I haven't at least tried to go to the prices. Right.

[A]

Well, this is very you and me. Because you have to wait in line. Like you're waiting to see rent. It's like a very. If you're a theater kid, you know what that means? Because it's a very that.

[B]

So Ted says you show up and you hope that there's not at least 300 people there already.

[A]

And even if, like, you're early and there isn't that many, they would like bring in groups that didn't have to wait in line. So like, you could still get there early and not get a spot, which would suck.

[B]

Right. So it would be like a bunch of like one then two people, and then like a group of 10.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

And they'll cut it off.

[A]

Or a group of like 60. You know what I mean? Like, they would have like bachelorette parties and shit.

[B]

Who's bringing 60 people in the bachelorette party?

[A]

It was, it was two. It was, it was the intersection of two examples.

[B]

Got it, got it. Okay.

[C]

Well, I had always liked Holly, who was one of the models on the show. And so my sister had this idea. We had a shirt made that said, I'm here to kiss Holly. And guy who made it was very helpful. And he was like, how about we put some felt hearts behind Holly's name? And he got, you know, the most fancy cursive for her name. And you know, a lot of times people would get picked too, had special shirts made. Then we decided on the back we would put Sorry, Bob. And he insisted on making a little frowny face out of little scraps of felt. And so that was the shirt I wore to the first taping.

[B]

So Ted's sister comes up with an idea to make a shirt. Cause, you know, everyone's wearing a shirt to get noticed.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

And his shirt says, I'm here to kiss Holly, with a lot of hearts on it. Uh huh. And on the back it says like, sorry, Bob with a sad face.

[A]

Which is like, we know he's gay.

[B]

And again, well, we learn that later. We don't know that now.

[A]

That's true. It's very garbagey.

[B]

Or he's bi. Is he bi?

[A]

I'm gonna go with gay.

[B]

Okay, he could be bi.

[A]

He could be bi. The point that, like, the women on the Price is Right were very much treated like objects.

[B]

Well, they were called the Beauties, the Barker's Beauties.

[A]

There was always only women. So, like, it was pretty garbage. Oh, is it Men now, too.

[B]

Oh, everyone's represented on the stage.

[A]

Oh, I should check it back out.

[B]

Yeah, you should.

[A]

Okay, I'm gonna go back in tomorrow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So we learned, too, that while you're waiting in line, the producer Roger, will come down the line and kind of, like, interview, because they pick all of their contestants from the audience, right? So, like, Roger is, like, scouting for potential contestants to get down to.

[B]

Contestants row. So, like, you're in the audience screaming your head off, and then it's like, patrick Hines, come on down. You're the next contest.

[A]

That was too real. I would kill on the Price is Right.

[B]

Would you?

[A]

No, I'd be awful. But I'd be really fun.

[B]

I think it would be so fun to go.

[A]

Yeah. Should we go?

[B]

Okay, stop it.

[A]

Should we go?

[B]

I enjoy the program.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But I think I'd be pretty good.

[A]

All right, we're going.

[B]

Mike and I are, like, not bad. Because when we watch it, you fucking play. You don't just massively watch the price drink. You're not guessing the price of the lettuce or whatever.

[A]

Of course I am.

[B]

Monster.

[A]

I know. But I also don't know, like, when they show a bottle of vitamins, I'm like, $800.

[B]

And also because we live in New York City, where everything is ten times more expensive.

[A]

Y.

[B]

So sometimes it'll be like the Lipton iced tea, you know, like the mixer thing. And I'm like, I just. I was just $11, and it's like, 299. But my heart is in the right place, if that means anything to you. Producers.

[A]

So they get in. Ted and Dee get in. They sit in the back, and, like, Ted isn't getting called up, but he's shouting out the exact. He knows the exact number that everything costs, right? And he's shouting that out to the.

[B]

Everyone's shouting like it's a screaming match the entire time you're there.

[A]

Totally. And, like, Dee is shocked that he knows all the price. I'm like, dee, you just spent 17 days in the car with this guy you don't even know. Yeah.

[B]

Quizzing him 100%.

[A]

The two things we did not let them do. We didn't allow them to take lists into the studio line when they're waiting to come into the studio. We didn't allow them to say anything in the order of. Everybody pay attention to me. I memorize all the prices, so everybody listen to me when I shout on a price. We'll all sh. We didn't allow that.

[B]

But there were some rules. There Were two very important rules. One, the audience could not take lists into the studio.

[A]

Yeah, obviously.

[B]

And you can't brag about how good you are. But also, like, when you're just yelling the accurate exact prices. When that happens like twice, everyone's gonna be looking at you.

[A]

It's also true. And these rules are meant to keep the game fun. This isn't like winning, like who wants to be a Millionaire? And you're like taking the studio for a million.

[B]

Like, this is just like games about refrigerators.

[A]

Exactly. So it's just meant to keep the game fun. But Ted tells us that from 1984 to 1989, he went to the show once a year. Ted?

[B]

Yeah. And he was never picked.

[A]

Never picked.

[B]

On top of that, the contest aren't really listening to his advice because it's just sort of noise, you know, like, it's hard to. How do you know? Especially if you can't say, like, hey, you should listen to me. No one's gonna listen to Ted.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

Although they should.

[A]

We also learned Roger said that he and Bob figured out how to do the show. They would tape a 60 minute show in 60 minutes.

[B]

No editing.

[A]

Because Bob says when you can do a show at a time, you're the editor.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You pick what stays in.

[B]

I mean, like, that's how great everyone was at producing the show.

[A]

My only thought with that is that it doesn't give you any room to be like, super fun. Like, I would want to be like, you know, like I'd want to do like little bits and stuff.

[B]

But I think he would if he needed the time, he would do bits. Yeah, I think that's what he saying.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

[B]

So 1990, Ted returns. It's taping number eight that he goes to.

[A]

He like, calls twice to make sure it's fourth of July weekend. He like, really wants to make sure he's not wasting his time.

[B]

Right. So he does what. He does what everyone in that room does. He's shouting out the answer to a bid from the audience. But he does it before Bob even finishes saying what the item is. And Bob, like, gives him some shit for it because it's obvious. Like, it's silent when Bob is describing the item.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And he's like, 14.99. And Bob's like.

[A]

And you hear him now, there's the.

[C]

The first bit of the price. And everyone starts laughing.

[A]

And then when, like, the guy takes his advice and uses the number and he gets it on the dot. You get an extra 100 bucks for that. Bob Makes Ted stand up and, like, take a bow.

[B]

And, like, the audience thinks it's great. The producers think it's great. Everyone is so excited, congratulating him. And Bob tells the audience, like, let this be a lesson to you.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

If you watch the show every day, you too can get the exact right price.

[A]

So they go to commercial, they come back. There's another woman named Susan. She gets called up. Susan's the smarty pants.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

She turns. Cause he was just exactly on the nose. And, like, right before the commercial, she turns around to Ted and. And asks him straight up, help me.

[B]

She mouths, help me. And he's like, okay. And Bob Barker catches them, and he's like, oh, I see you two flirting over there.

[A]

Susan does the smart thing and asks him and then doesn't use the bid that he gives her. He tells her to bid a thousand. She bids way over what he said.

[B]

Like 14 or 1500.

[A]

And then when, like. And she loses because, like, his bid was right, right?

[B]

His bid, the real price, the actual retail price, was like 1065. It was very close, even though he didn't study this item. And the point is, he didn't. He's done so much studying and so much Excel spreadsheets that, like, his guesses are still pretty, pretty close.

[A]

But Susan, she's not out of luck. Because now there's another lady on Contessa's row who's asking him for help. But he wants to help Susan, right? So they bring up these figurines. Susan finally turns around. He tells her 695. He's right on the nose.

[B]

Well, and he.

[A]

This guy fucking knows. He's a phenomenon.

[B]

He's not even saying, like, a dollar less. He's telling her the exact bids. And Bob is like, theodore give you that? Yes, he did. Theodore.

[A]

Will dinner tonight be separate checks? I'll pay. There you are. Theodore. Whether you get on stage or not, Theodore, you won a little prize on the devices, right?

[B]

It's all very obvious. No one has a problem. This is like a grand old time for everyone.

[A]

No. And then she gets up there and there's like, another thing that he knows how much it is. And she looks at him and doesn't take his advice, and she fucking loses, right?

[B]

And so when she. When that happens, if she doesn't take Ted's advice and she loses, loses. Bob assumes that Ted was wrong, right? And the audience comes to his defense, and they're like, no, no, no.

[A]

He said she didn't listen.

[B]

She didn't listen. So, like, Susan, why are you asking.

[A]

If you're not gonna listen?

[B]

And the reason we're talking about this for 10 minutes is to really show you that like this was all in good fun and part of the game. And like Bob was in on it and was fine with it. The producers, they were just like, see, like this guy, he studied it and here we are. And that's okay.

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So then they bring out a car. Ted knows exactly how much it costs.

[B]

But he sees Roger, the producer, like, whisper something to Bob during the commercial break. So something's, like, about to happen.

[A]

So he tells the guy, like, the contestant looks at Ted, takes Ted's advice, and it's wrong.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then somebody that produces Bob Barker.

[B]

Says to everyone, and Ted to the entire audience, hey, guess what? Hey, Ted, that bid. Yeah, you were right. But what happened is we do have a model of that car that is the price you said, but we use different versions of the cars to quote fool people like you.

[A]

Exactly. So, like, this one had, like, Eric conditioning and the other one didn't. So it was like, more. A little bit more expensive. So, like, Ted is saying, like, oh, fuck, I really gotta be on my toes. And this inspires Ted because now there's websites and he, like, can go through all the products, and he's now has to memorize every kind of model of.

[B]

Car, like, on the car's website itself. And so Ted looks right at Bob Barker and he's like, challenge accepted, Bob. I'll see you in a year.

[A]

And he fucking does it. And, like, Ted just has one of those encyclopedic brains that he can remember. Like, well, the blue one is this one, and the red one is this one. Like, can you imagine?

[B]

It's all a math equation. Like, it all just makes sense.

[A]

I know.

[B]

It's amazing.

[A]

My God.

[C]

So in early 91, my partner and I went down to the show. It was his first time going to the Price is Right. And we got in line early in the morning, and a young African American woman sat. I think she was behind us in line. Her family was supposed to come with her, and they all kind of bailed on her. And so we kind of made friends with her during the course of the day. And Lauren Reynolds is the last name they call. And she screamed probably a good five seconds and just jumped up. Oh, my God, this is so cool. Somebody I've been talking to all day has gotten picked.

[B]

So by 1991, Ted brings his partner along.

[A]

Yeah, this is like. He says partner, he just drops it casually. And we learn that Ted's a homosexual. Hey, Ted.

[B]

Something like that. So they meet a woman named Lauren outside on the line. They become friends. She gets picked to come down a contestant's row.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And the thing is, it's more and more about helping people. He's not being a sore loser. If he doesn't get contestants row, he's just gonna be quiet and sulk. No, he wants to help everyone.

[A]

And also, this is where we really learn that he's not cheating. He's just really good at. This isn't a scam. No, he's just, like, been studying.

[B]

And he's also.

[A]

Can you imagine?

[B]

No. And he's also, like, to that point, almost like it's so innocent to him. Like, what I just put in the work. That's why he's not telling them, like, a dollar or two off.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

That's why he's giving them the exact prices. Because, like, what's the problem here? Like, this is encouraged. I studied here. I am.

[A]

So Lauren, the girl that they met in line, she gets a perfect score. The next contestant to get called up, she gets a perfect score. He's just like, at this point, if I'm the producer, I'm like, okay, now.

[B]

It'S not fun anymore. Because the whole point is that you're guessing. And also, if this were Vegas, he'd be getting and chips thrown at him. Left and Right. No one's giving him a piece of the pie.

[A]

No. Honest to God.

[B]

Well, you also can't break apart a car.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So that I get.

[A]

But we also learned that, like, Ted is in the closet at home because one of the kids, he's a math teacher, and one of the kids, like, at school asks him, like, hey, if you could have. It's a Valentine's Day thing, and if you could have any valentine in the world, who would it be? And he says, holly from the Price is Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, it's like 1991. Like, of course he's in the closet. Right. The only person out of the closet in 91 was my mother.

[B]

There you go. And Terry.

[A]

And Terry. My dad, my mom's girlfriend, Terry.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

So Ted is going, like, just constantly. He's just. He's always at tapings of the producer every couple years, and we see the numbers. So he's at taping number 24 for him. And, like, this time, he, like, charms the producer in the line, and he says he's wearing his Holly shirt again.

[B]

I'm just here to kiss Holly Sorry.

[A]

Right. He says, forget the car. Forget the refrigerator. This is why I'm here. And the producer laughs. Roger. And then we picked him. First lesson, Kevin Dunn.

[B]

So he finally. Finally gets called down to contestants row.

[A]

And we learned that, like, prior to this, he'd been having nightmares where he would get picked, and then, like, the show would have. Have to stop production. Oh, my God.

[B]

Right? But he's like. And he even says, like, jokes on me. This. This documentary came out several years ago, but he's like, jokes on me. It's like, 2015, and it's still going strong. Here we go.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

But even Bob Barker's happy for him.

[A]

Theodore, you made it. You made it.

[C]

I was, you know, very excited at that point.

[A]

Theodore has been a loyal friend and true. How many times have you been here? 24. 24 times.

[B]

Everyone's rooting for this guy.

[A]

Can you imagine, like, we have a small version of this where, like, we have, like, such loyal listeners that we know who. Some of them when we meet them in the wild. So it's so fucking cool. And, like. But Bob, like, sees Ted and knows him right away.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And Ted is, like, his head is spinning. He's been imagining this moment his entire.

[B]

Life, and he's already getting tripped up a little bit. So, like, the outdoor furniture comes along.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Oh, God, the outdoor furniture set.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He has three options memorized of what it could be, because again, they're trying to trip up people like Ted.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

He goes with the wrong guests. And someone goes out to play his pricing game.

[A]

The thing is, we see his spreadsheet. And there's legitimately two different kinds of patio furniture.

[B]

It could have gone either way.

[A]

Like, oh, my God. You know what I mean?

[B]

The thing is, he guesses the exact amount of the other one.

[A]

Exactly. Exactly.

[B]

That's like $10 off from the. It's whatever.

[A]

But then the next item is a Recliner. He bids $599, gets it dead on. He gets called up, and he's. Again, he's just like, oh, my God.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Have you seen the video where Aaron Paul.

[B]

Yes. I was gonna bring it up to you before.

[A]

He was famous was on the prices, Right.

[B]

He said he's so embarrassed by that. He goes, I look, he looks crazy. He drank, like, seven Mountain Dews or seven Red Bulls just to like. Because you have to wait in the line.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

It's a marathon. Not Donna, the Price is Right.

[A]

That's a good thing for us to remember, by the way.

[C]

So he pulls me back and proceeds to start to explain, you know, what we're gonna do. And meanwhile, the third door opens, and the prizes that I'm gonna price are behind there. And Holly's gonna show the prices of those. And she sees my shirt, as you.

[A]

Well know, you can win four punches on the punch board.

[C]

And starts. She kind of bursts out laughing.

[A]

And Bob says, come on, Holly, give it him a kiss. So he can concentrate on what he's doing.

[B]

So Theodore's finally up there. He's about to play punch a bunch.

[A]

So as they're, like, lining him up for the game, Holly is there. This is like a Holly game. And this is. I don't know. I think this is garbagey.

[B]

I hate this because Ted is wearing.

[A]

The I'm here to kiss Holly shirt. And he's like, holly, come over and give him a kiss.

[B]

So he can concentrate on what he's doing.

[A]

First of all, the guy's a fucking homosexual, but whatever. So Holly comes over.

[B]

This is the best day of his life. He's on the prices, right? He's worked his whole life for this.

[A]

She gives him a kiss on the cheek.

[B]

She gives him, like, two kisses, but.

[A]

Then she kisses him on the. And, like, in fairness, she looks like she's having some fun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But, like, also, what is she gonna say no? Like, she's in a situation where she has to do what Bob says, right?

[B]

And just a smile on her face. And sort of deal with it. So, like, Bob Barker has to, like, yank Ted away from Holly. This is a fucking mess.

[A]

And he's like. He was not gentle about it.

[B]

Can we get back to the pricing game?

[A]

So it's punch a bunch, right?

[B]

So, like, you have to know the prices of items to get the punches.

[A]

To earn the punches.

[B]

But once you have the punches, the punch board is all luck. Like, there's no rhyme or reason to.

[A]

It, but because he knows everything, he gets all four punches.

[B]

But he made this Price is Right computer game at home that had punch a bunch on it. And so the game. He programmed it. I know, but it's very serious.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

He programmed his own game to be random, just like the real show.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So he played his own game that week.

[A]

He's been, like, using, studying by playing his own version of punch a bunch.

[B]

And you. He didn't know he was going to get punch a bunch. Like, you never know what game you're playing. And so he played punches the same holes he did on his computer game at home because he did really well and won, like, 10 grand. On his own computer game.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So he punches four holes right in the middle in a row. Usually people go, like, up here and up there and up there. And he. No one has ever done that before. It's really weird to go like, 1, 2, 3, 4.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. He wants a thousand bucks.

[A]

And, like, I didn't do the goo, but, like, that was a lot of fucking money. And he knew the thousand dollars was, like, the first thing he did. He could have traded it in. Like, he still knew what he was doing.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Then, like, you know, they do, like, the showcase show out there. We have to spin the wheel, of course.

[B]

And he gets to a dollar.

[A]

Come on. You got to get to a dollar. But he doesn't. He gets 55 cents. And he's like, maybe. Maybe the next guy gets 70 cents. He's out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he says, like, oh, my God, I've been working my whole life for this moment, and now it's over.

[B]

It's a series wrap on 10. Series wrap. Because as we learned, show rules state that once you've been selected, you are never allowed again. So, like, this is it. And if you're selected to get on contestants row and you don't get up to play a pricing game, that's it.

[A]

Oh, my God. But we also learned that they take him to the place where the contestants go to, like, fill out their paper. He feels a tap on his shoulder, and it's Holly.

[C]

I'm looking down at my paperwork, and all of a sudden there's, like, this tap on my shoulder, and someone's saying hi to me. I look up, and it's Holly. And she's handing me an autographed picture. And I'm like, hey. And I got up and I gave her a hug, and she said, I just, you know, wanted to bring this to you. And I was like, thank you so much. And she left. And to me, that was always, like, the best moment of the whole experience because she was always my favorite model. To me, it was like, I didn't ask for an autographed picture, but she felt like, you know, I was such a great fan that, you know, it would be a nice thing to give me.

[A]

Holly, like, of her own volition, has come over to, like, give him an autographed picture.

[B]

So.

[A]

And I'm like, Holly was feeling very famous that day. It's a very sweet story.

[B]

It's also, like, this guy has been coming here for 25 games and, like, totally. He sort of. He's like a major super fan. He knows all the amounts. Like, they were just being extra nice to him.

[A]

I just was like, what is Holly's life like? Like, she probably didn't make that much money. She probably, like, lives in some apartment, so, you know what I mean? Like, she's a big deal on the is. Right. But, like, I'm sure they were underpaid. I'm sure I was, like, wondering what.

[B]

Holly's life and our whole job is, like, being objectified. Like, the pressure to be, you know, beautiful and all this stuff. It's, like, crazy. So he won 1100 bucks total. He won $1000 from Punch a Bunch. And he won $100 for guessing the exact amount to get on stage. But he also won a recliner.

[A]

I know. And he saves all this. And we see his receipts for, like, the money that he won, and, like, they sent him swatches to pick what color recliner he wanted.

[B]

Like, a salmon color. Ted.

[A]

Look, he's another probably gay with no taste.

[B]

Ted.

[A]

I'm speaking for both of us.

[B]

Like, a light pink salmon La Z Boy recliner. You can do better than that.

[A]

There was a time when the La Z Boy recliners were just all the rage.

[B]

But like, a salmon.

[A]

I know. I agree.

[B]

First of all, it's gonna get very dirty very easily.

[A]

No, look, you're looking at me like I'm the person. I would ruin that thing in a minute.

[B]

In a minute.

[A]

Yeah, in a minute.

[B]

He also won A photo laminator with the directions, and he still has the directions.

[A]

Photo laminator. That was a thing for a while. While.

[B]

Yeah.

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

Exactly.

[B]

So Ted can never be on the show again. So he just sort of stops going and he focuses on other hobbies, like collecting Snoopy memorabilia. We are back here again. We just did this with Casey.

[A]

Casey. I know, I know. We see the Snoopy memorabilia, but we never about it. He's again.

[B]

To which I say, do you give.

[A]

It to him again? Girl.

[B]

If Snoopy is in a room, we are discussing him.

[A]

I'm telling you. Like, there's an entire room full of peanut stuff.

[B]

But also, it's a lot more organized than Shasta, whatever the fuck her name was, because it's Ted. And Ted would also get someone actual medical attention. Snoopy dresses a doctor. Adorable. We need a real live doctor.

[A]

No, I couldn't get more.

[B]

I hope you're listening.

[C]

So in I think it was 2002, the memorial memorial Day time frame, I got together a kind of a ragtag group. It was my partner, a friend of ours, her mom, my nephew, my sister, my dad, another nephew, and me. That's eight. That's all of us. So we all showed up in line a little short time later. A couple of guys got in line behind us, and we soon started chatting with them a little bit.

[B]

So Ted makes friends with Brandon, who is described as a bundle of energy at 3am to which I say Brandon is Patrick and Patrick is Brandon.

[A]

I literally have Brandon as me. Like, Brandon is so excited. He's like. And like, no one can remember anybody else's name because Brandon was so fucking excited.

[B]

And so now, like, Ted's parents or whatever are, like, breaking the rules and as Ted says, trying to pimp him out to other contestants. You're not supposed to do that, but they're doing that with Brandon. And so Brandon's like, oh, yeah, Prove it. And testing and, like, quizzing Ted about prices while they're waiting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Brandon's like, manifesting this big win. He wants a car. He wants. He's going to get dollar at the Showcase.

[A]

I'm going to get picked as a contestant. I'm going to win a. I'm gonna spend a dollar on the wheel, and I'm gonna win the Showcase.

[B]

Positive visualization. Here we go. Brandon.

[A]

Brandon was like, brandon, girl. And at first I was like, brandon, are you cheating? Like, do you know that's gonna happen? Cause Brandon gets really focused on the Flintstones vitamins. He's like, how much are the lift those vitamins?

[B]

But he's so focused on the game that he forgets all about Ted.

[A]

So they go in and Brandon gets picked, right? So, like, that's a big deal. But Brandon is fucking blowing it because he's like, four bids in. He's on contestant row.

[B]

This is it, Brandon.

[A]

Yeah. And he's like, there's been four different things that have come out.

[B]

Brandon's not won, like, the razzle dazzle, the lights. He's just sort of forgetting about Ted. And this whole conversation they had. And so he's not listening, but finally he starts listening.

[A]

So on the fifth bid, whatever the item is, he looks at Brandon. Brandon says, 1554. It's a perfect bid.

[B]

It's the perfect bid. So Brandon gets on stage. Everything he was manifesting outside with Ted, it happens.

[A]

He wins a fucking car play dice.

[B]

Game, which is all luck. You're literally just rolling dice.

[A]

Totally. Then he spins the wheel, gets a dollar. And then Ted knows, like, every item in the showcase showdown, including a new car. New car.

[C]

And it ended with another car. And I kind of knew roughly the price, but I'm like, I don't want to make him go over, so I'm going to under, you know, low ball this. And I decided on 20,000 for the whole thing.

[A]

22,000. 18, you win. With a difference of only 2.

[C]

We thought we were going to be able to go up on stage and celebrate with him, but Roger stopped us at the stairs.

[A]

Ted tries to get on stage to celebrate with Brandon after Roger won't let him. No, no, no, Roger.

[B]

Brandon wins. The showcase was 22,000, so he didn't go over. He wins a total of $39,877, all thanks to Ted.

[A]

So we get this whole moment where one of the associate producers, this woman, Kathy Greco, invites one of her friends to attend.

[B]

Her best friend Pam.

[A]

Her best friend Pam, who attends a taping the same day as Ted.

[B]

And Pam also happens to be Mark Goodson of a Mark Goodson television production, his secretary.

[A]

I mean, the point is that, like. Because Ted's doing this thing where he's calling out the numbers from the seats again. And Kathy is basically saying to Pam, you gotta check and see if he's got lists on him.

[B]

Right?

[A]

He's like one of those card sharks at the fucking casino where, like, they know to look out for him when he's there, but he's.

[B]

And the eye in the sky is watching us all. To quote De Niro in Casino.

[A]

But he's not cheating. He really just knows this stuff.

[B]

But what his dad is doing is telling everyone to ask him, and that's what sort of gets their ears up. And they're like, all right, why? Why are they asking what's going on?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

But now we're talking about Bob BARKER Retiring in 2007.

[C]

As you probably know, Bob Barker retired from the Price Is right after his 35th year.

[B]

35 years.

[A]

50 years in the show business and 35 years in the show. It's a good time. And that really was. I consider my. Myself a very lucky man, because all my life, I did something I thoroughly enjoy. I really did. I never got up in the morning and thought, oh, I don't want to go in there today. Never. And he's just saying, like, he lived a really charmed life. He tells the story about, like, he lives in Hollywood, and there's always these tour buses going by. He'll go out and actually, like, talk to them. And people are like, bob, why do you do it? And he's like, because of them, I never had to have a job I hated.

[B]

You know who used to do that? Jimmy Stewart used to do. Used to go out and wave on his front lawn to the people who do the tours. Yeah.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

But that's, like, old school guy, you know?

[A]

Yeah, Yeah. I would do that.

[B]

Yeah, I know you would.

[A]

I'll give you my address right now. You guys drive a bus by my house. I will absolutely wave for my living room.

[B]

And so Bob Barker, he was like, one last thing before I went. That young whippersnapper Drew Carey comes along to those guys. Everyone's young. They're all like, hey, kiddo, you got your whole life ahead of you.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

Drew Car's been famous for 40 years.

[A]

He's like, I was going to yell at him to make sure you, like. You keep saying the thing about the game. Get your pets spayed and neutered. Drew Carey cuts them off. He's like, bob, I'm going to do it. Yeah.

[B]

Help control the pet population, of course. And he does do it.

[A]

Does he do it, like, to this.

[B]

Day, to help control the pet population?

[A]

The simplest tradition to carry on.

[B]

And also that is important. Control the pet population. Too many. So by season 37, the rules have changed. And now if it's been 10 years or more since you've been on, you're allowed to become a contestant again.

[A]

It seems like a weird rule to change. You know what I mean? Like, were they having a hard time getting contestants or something?

[B]

Yeah. I don't know.

[A]

Was it, like, everyone who was ever gonna come to the prices? Right. It already come.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know. That is.

[A]

That's a weird rule of change. But that means that Ted can, like, give it another go.

[C]

So to me, this was like, well, this is cool. I can go back and maybe get on a second time. So I really put a lot of effort into studying the prices over the summer.

[A]

So this is the program I wrote.

[C]

To help me memorize the prices on the show. I broke over them down by category.

[B]

And he's back to studying. He's built a program to quiz himself. It's basically like flashcards.

[A]

Oh, my God. But it's like thousands and thousands of, like, items in this program.

[B]

But now we're getting to the scandal.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Because there is a scandal. Yes, kind of. And here we are. Okay, so it's September 22, 2008. A guy named Terry Neese wins the showcase.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And he does it by guessing the exact price, not within a few hundred dollars. Because if you get it within a few hundred dollars, you get both showcases. It's like a massive deal.

[A]

But the thing to know, these showcases are like multiple. It's like a bar, like a. Kitchens that, like, these are not rounded prices. Like the kitchens that cost like $874. Like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, for it to have been random seems a little.

[B]

It's never going to be 15,000.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

And the exact price, not just a couple hundred, because I've seen it when that happens and the whole place explodes, like, within, I think, like 300 or whatever. But the exact price. No one has ever done that before.

[A]

No. And it turns out that Ted was there that day and he had met Terry and his wife Linda in line. So, like, we're going to get this whole thing where Terry is taking full credit for, like, just knowing that, like, he stud. Exactly.

[B]

But, like, smart too.

[A]

We know. And you can see in the footage that, like, he's looking back at Ted. Ted is sitting next to Linda's wife, Linda. So, like, Ted is telling Linda. Linda's screaming it to him. And we see it and we see it.

[B]

But now we see Drew Carey on Kevin Pollock's chat show or whatever. That's what it's called. Drew Carey hates Terry because Kevin Pollock brings it up and he goes, oh, that dude.

[A]

Right?

[B]

So now we get, like, all the stories about what happened from everyone's perspective. Ted, Terry, and Drew Carey, who hates everyone.

[A]

Let's give the guy his prize right now. We'll investigate it. So when we come back on the air and you're not thrilled for the guy, which is all pressed. I think I'm fucking. I think I'm fucked. Right? You're out of a job. I think I'm out of a job. You think they're shutting down the show? I think. I think they're shutting down the show. So, like, in a nutshell, like, Ted met Terry and his wife in the line, they get brought in together and they're all sitting together in a row. Terry gets called up to like contestants row and is immediately looking back at Ted and Linda where essentially Ted's just doing math in his head telling it to Linda. And Linda is like screaming the price out to Terry.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That's how Terry is winning.

[B]

Right. And at first he doesn't listen, but then he starts to listen, right. And we got this on screen text that says in the broadcast version of the show, Ted is removed from several shots.

[A]

Yeah. They actually have like the actual footage. And we see this, we see the communication and again, no one's cheating. Like this is all allowed, Right. And one thing I want to point out is that like Terry again is going to take credit saying he knew all these prices at one point. We see it, Terry is too far away from Linda and he can't see them or hear them. And he loses, gets it wrong. Yeah.

[B]

So Drew Carey says to Kevin Pollock, there was this guy in the first or second row giving people advice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the way he says it, I'm like, drew, that was. It might be annoying, but it's part of the gig.

[A]

And it's part of the gig. It's also legal, Right?

[B]

Right.

[A]

So Terry gets into the showcase and this is the big moment because Ted knows the price of all of the individual items in the showcase, right? And he's doing the math in his head and he's leaning over to Linda, the wife of Terry who's actually playing the game, and he says to her, 23743. That's what this is like. That's the grand total. And he's like, let me do the math again. And he does it and he's like, nope, it's 23, 743. Ted does not want to call too much attention to this, right. So he says, Terry's going to look at me and I'm going to round up. He's still going to win, but it's not going to be to the dollar.

[B]

He goes, you know, maybe we should only win both showcases. And let's not make a big spectacle with the exact price. Both, I mean, contestants winning both showcases, it's a spectacle. Ted either just go away.

[A]

And so because Terry doesn't look at Ted, he looks at Linda, right. Linda doesn't know the rounding up plan.

[B]

She says, absolutely not. She wants to go for the gold exact.

[A]

So she tells Terry the exact number, he says the exact number. And then they go to commercial. And then that's when Ted's like, that's when everything fucking changed.

[B]

Right.

[C]

And everything stopped.

[A]

Kathy Greco, she came out with her headphones. She was like.

[C]

Like that.

[A]

And I was like, what happened? She goes, taylor clipboard.

[C]

You got the exact amount?

[A]

And I go. I went like, what? What was the item? There was like, there's always like, three or four things. I don't know. And I go. I go, that ever happened before? And she goes, no, that it never happened before. No, that's what she said.

[C]

Right away, people on the show were on the stage talking with other people on the show.

[A]

We shut down for, like, 10 minutes, right? 15 minutes, which is a long time. Drew's like, that's never happened before. She's like, no, that has never. It's the. To the dollar. It's the exact.

[B]

Right? Like, knowing the price of a blender is one Thinging or guessing 1500 is one thing. But this was way, way, way too specific.

[A]

But, like, everyone wants to say there's, like, some big, grand conspiracy because remembers.

[B]

And practices shows up.

[A]

Remember Roger the producer? Like, when Drew Carey came on, Roger got let go, and everyone's like, oh, it was an inst. And just to fuck with the show, they gave the people in line the number. No, this guy Ted just was good at this. He had a fucking computer system that had every item in it, and he memorized it.

[B]

And for whatever reason, in the moment on stage, Drew Carey thinks his life is over. He thinks the show is over.

[A]

I was not following this at all. Because Drew Carey had. There's. They come back from commercial. Finally, like, 10 minutes later, they do the thing, and he's like, congratulations, you won actual retail price, $23,743.

[C]

You got to rent a display.

[A]

There's no joy in his.

[B]

Because he says to Kevin Pollock, he's like, I just said fuck it. Because one, they never. He didn't think they were ever going to air the episode, and he thought his career was over for whatever reason. Both of those things, even if they don't air the episode, like, whatever.

[A]

It doesn't make any sense. I was like, drew, this is like a big. You should be like, bob Barker did the show for 30 years. Be happy.

[B]

He is so monotone. He's like. He got it right on the nose. Great job, everybody. Spay new to your fucking pets or whatever. Bye. And, like, throws the mic down and walks away. Like, why are you.

[A]

Like, drew Carey is no fun. I will not hear otherwise.

[B]

And I wonder if he absorbs. Absorbed Kathy's vibe and standards of practices.

[A]

Like, he's like, I'm still the New guy.

[B]

Because, like, everyone is acting like it's a fucking emergency. Like, the feds are here. Go, go, go. We got guys. It's like SWAT team outfit. Like, it became very solemn. He was like, shit, it's over. My life is over.

[A]

Why are you jumping to my life is over? Like, this show's been on the air since 1950, and you just had, like, a first. Why isn't this the best day of your life?

[B]

So Drew eventually is like, yeah, there was no conspiracy. Like, we just repeat the prizes so much and people can memorize them. Plus, like, we encourage the audience to do this. And Drew goes. Kevin, however, that's never going to happen again because because of this, they changed the rules.

[A]

He's like the fucking fun police. He's like, let's make sure it's no fucking fun anymore. Whatever. Like, Drew care. You also, you're the host of the Price is Right. Can you stop taking yourself so goddamn seriously?

[B]

Just a pricey.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Play a little bit of Plinko.

[A]

And then we learn that, like, so Ted goes home, everything's fine. And people are being mean to Ted on the Internet.

[B]

And also, Terry is now claiming that he's hard of hearing because he's like, I'm a genius. I did this all by myself.

[A]

Linda, who?

[B]

Ted.

[A]

Who?

[B]

He'. But if you. If you notice, I am very hard. Say that one more time. I'm very hard of hearing. I never could have heard anyone pitching me, bitch.

[A]

It's just like, who cares, Terry? Like, you didn't break any rules. Like, are you afraid you're gonna get in trouble? Are like, you need people to think you're some mad genius? What are you talking about?

[B]

That's what he wants. Because it ends with a quote on screen text that says, if there's one thing I've learned through all this, it's that there's such a thing as being too perfect. Terry Neese said that. Terry, give me a. Oh, my God.

[A]

Oh, my God. The price is right of it all. Pluto tv, you says I can watch the prices right all day.

[B]

Yeah, there will be ads because it's like a free app. Again, this is not an ad. This is just a.

[A]

You know, just not an ad. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[B]

But yeah, you can watch the Barker years or the Drew Carey years.

[A]

20, 22 US. But what a bunch of. What eager little kids.

[B]

I know. What little Muppet Babies.

[A]

I know. Thanks for hanging out, fam. Oh, my God. Tell them what we're doing next week.

[B]

Oh, God. The Poop cruise. It's happening. We're here. The day has arrived.

[A]

I say this a lot in the episode, but, like, I really feel like I missed a calling of being a cruise director. Like, I think I would have been really good at that.

[B]

I'm sure you would have, but you never catch me on a cruise. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever. You know how I feel. I.

[A]

That is not new information.

[B]

Like, my feelings about cruises. But let me tell you, between this, I am. I. I feel vindicated. I validated. Vindicated.

[A]

Oh, my God. Well, stay tuned for the trailer for that fam, and we'll see you next week. It's going to be a real germs.

[B]

Oh, my goodness. Everyone, like, hold tight. We love you.

[A]

I. More than 4,000 people are stuck on a cruise ship that is dead in the water. That's when all of us were like, what the well Palace?

[B]

That's it. Everything's out.

[A]

It was immediately crisis mode.

[B]

The toilets weren't working. Well, we can do a number one in the shower.

[A]

And then, I'm telling you, it got bad fast.

[B]

I would never expect having to poop in a red bag. Oh, no. Oh, no, no.

[A]

Suddenly, everyone's out for themselves.

[B]

You could hear the panic. We were starting to smell urine.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Oh, my God. It was terrifying. We had camera people cruise on boats, a helicopter up in the air.

[A]

Bikes broke out.

[B]

Oh, the ship is on fire.

[A]

What the is happening on this cruise ship?

[B]

What is it called? The Santa Barbara. San Jose. Santa Barbara. How dare you?

[A]

I don't know anything about this. Santa Barbara was a staple of my childhood. It would come on right after dust. DuckTales. I would run home from school, watch DuckTales.

[B]

DuckTales.

[A]

Almost an entire box of honey bunches of oats.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And then I would watch Miss Santa Barbara. Yeah.

[B]

Because it started in the 50s as.

[A]

Like, a prime time TV show. Did you know that?

[B]

No. I learned it like it was on.

[A]

Us at night time. Yeah, that's what prime time means.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Another TikTok I like to watch is this account where a mom lets her kids play with the Ouija board, and she goes downstairs to the circuit breaker and turns off the light.

[B]

That became like a trend. And then they started screaming, they gotta learn sometime. Don't with them. And we're in that time where everyone.

[A]

Thinks they could be cute because it's.

[B]

October and try to mess with everyone on the other side. Leave them alone.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Consider them bears. That is standard. So then when they come back, it's like the big reveal.

[A]

It's a cliffhanger, right?

[B]

So, cliffhangers. That's a fun game too. It's a pricey game. Oh, my God. Yodel. Yodeling. The guy yodels up. I just thought you were making prices, right?

[A]

No.

[B]

No.