C (15:25)

We had our ups and downs.

B (15:26)

What does that mean?

C (15:27)

A few arguments here and there.

B (15:29)

What were the arguments over?

C (15:32)

On the vice of counsel I expected to climb on the grounds of the Fifth Amendment.

A (15:37)

On February 28th, did Shelly come to your residence with Lily on a vice of counsel?

C (15:42)

I respectfully declined to answer on the.

A (15:45)

Grounds of the Fifth Amendment. And I don't even know what to make of this. I can't understand Tyler's freak mindset. But the only question that he would actually answer was if they had sex that day and he said yes.

B (15:58)

Did you have sex with Shelly on February 28th?

C (16:02)

Yes.

A (16:02)

What time? On a vice of counsel.

C (16:08)

I respect late. Decline to answer on the grounds of the Fifth Amendment.

A (16:11)

I literally cannot understand what the point of this was. I don't get what the point of saying you plead the Fifth for every other question except for this. It's almost like he was bragging. I think that was probably what it was. Right? But he's such an idiot that he doesn't realize that this only makes him more suspicious. Because if you did have sex, you would think, which, first of all, I highly doubt, but you would think that he would want to offer a little more insight into what happened before that afterwards. But no, he just continued to plead the Fifth. Now, Lily was also asked to testify in this hearing. Mind you, she was, like, 6 years old. But listen to how crazy this is. It turns out that at some point in time, Tyler had given his attention, his daughter, his young daughter, a box of matches and told her to light a fire under her grandmother's bed. Shelly's mom, to be specific. And apparently this was a conversation that Tyler's mom was involved with as well. Thankfully, this didn't actually come to fruition. But what the actual asking your child to do something like this is insane on its own, giving them the tools to do it. But you're gonna start realizing that it is insane because Tyler is just crazy. And thankfully, the judge realized that too. In the hearing, there was a lot of testimony about Tyler's drug use, as well as his history of verbal and physical abuse. And the judge decided that he was unfit to parent Lily due to the fact that he posed a substantial risk of harm to her. This guy Tyler is a real piece of shit. A real nasty, low vibrational man. Just one of the worst out there, you know? And he didn't even testify about how much he loves his daughter or say anything to try and make anyone even believe that he actually wanted custody, because I don't think he really did. You just would think you would hope that any father would make some kind of effort to show that he wants his child in his life, but he didn't. 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And when she was brought inside he sent her straight to her room and she was told to stay in her room and not come out. And she didn't come out. Tyler closed the door and she stayed in there. And at no point did she ever see her mom inside the house, which just confirmed that Tyler was the last person to see her. But huge shocker here he has a different story. In a later hearing he starts sharing slightly more information than he had before. But don't get your hopes up, it's not that much. According to Tyler, he confirmed that Shelly came by his place on that Monday the 28th, between 3 and 4 o'. Clock. He also agreed that she was upset, set and came into the house. He claimed that she was worried that her new boyfriend was cheating on her, but after an hour of talking he said that she left his house to go run errands and take care of that appointment with the handyman. He also said that she was supposed to come pick lily up around 10pm but obviously that never happened. 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Unfortunately, that footage has not been released. But I. I don't know, you guys. Can you think of a reason why anyone would really need to spend five to 10 minutes hanging out at a gas station dumpster? This is absolutely just one of those cases where there are a lot of smaller yet suspicious things that suggest what happened. But because she hasn't been found, there hasn't been any concrete evidence. Therefore, justice has had to wait. And speaking of suspicious, I have to know your thoughts on this one. This is also one of the dumbest things I have heard in any of these cases. One of the biggest self reports possible, and still we don't get a lot from it, which is maddening, but. Oh, my God, what a dummy. So while the custody dispute was still in progress, Tyler butt dialed 91 1. How you do this? I don't know. I've thought maybe he had. I don't even. I do not know. I cannot figure out how he. Butt dialed 911. How do you do that? Oh, my God. But anyway, he was with his dad and they must have been working with like power tools or something because it's hard to hear at certain points, but it's about a 20 minute call. Yeah, he called 911 and talked for 20 minutes and only a little bit of the audio has been released. Thankfully, they recorded the whole thing. But you can hear him talk about Shelley's disappearance in the part that has been released. He doesn't admit to doing anything to her, but he makes references to potential evidence that investigators may have against him, specifically that they have witnesses who saw him walking in the middle of the road on the night her car was found in flames.

C (26:50)

Hello? I think it's just not Debbie. I think lawyer Debbie, Judge, DA and both of two or three counties in the tbi. And they know that I'm not going anywhere right now because I don't have loot. They can't. And they know that there's a better chance of me leaving. They've done their job. They trampled all over your right. They did everything give possible the situation as it was many here. Okay. Magic park voice. Somebody will pay for this all. They already got a bunch of people lined up.

B (27:38)

They keep.

C (27:39)

I keep hearing through the grip. Oh, they got people seeing me leave that night. Oh, they seen Charlie's car going down the road that night. Oh, somebody see me walking down the road in the middle behind. Let's get a couple more of those people by running.

A (27:58)

Then his dumbass realizes that he had just called 911 and yapped for 20 minutes. So he's even. God, he is so stupid. Stupid. He then calls back to ask specifically if that call had been recorded. I mean, just make yourself look any more suspicious. Tyler, please.

C (28:19)

What's your name? This is Tyler Mook. Okay. Did you get a call from this number here a couple minutes ago? Yes, we had an open line from it. What happens on that open line? Does it get recorded and stuff like that? That. Hang on just a second, sir.

A (28:36)

The fact that this dude is concerned about the call being recorded and is stupid enough to call back and get that on record as well says a lot if you ask me. If you're like me, you might be someone who forgets easily, someone who doesn't like dealing with things. Someone maybe who has a little bit of anxiety when it comes to customer service. And that's why I am someone who loves Rocket Money. Rocket Money changed the game for me because I was wasting so much money on subscriptions and free trials that I never actually used. Rocket Money is a personal finance app that helps you find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending and helps you to lower your bills so that you can grow your savings. Rocket Money shows you all of your expenses in one place, including your subscriptions you forgot about. And if you see a subscription you no longer want, Rocket Money will help you cancel it. 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Isn't that called Occam's Razor or whatever? At the end of the day, you guys, there isn't direct evidence linking Tyler to Shelley's disappearance. But he was the last person to see her and he had a history of violence against her. And that private investigator that I briefly mentioned said that he, he fully believes that Tyler's responsible and that his motive was simply if I can't have her, nobody can. We know that she had a boyfriend. So he believes that it's possible that she said something about him that upset Tyler. Of course that's alleged, but it's a theory and in my opinion, it's a good one. And before you ask, I'm sure some of you are wondering, her boyfriend and the handyman as well were both ruled out as suspects. Tyler's possible involvement seems. Seems the most likely to myself and to many others, although I have to be very clear here, that is still alleged. Although we do know that he is capable, at the very least, of attempted murder. Let me explain. This is absolutely wild. But after he lost custody, Tyler ended up moving to Florida. And I don't know this for sure, but it sounds like he made this move to go and start a new fresh life wife where people didn't know him as the guy who is suspected of making his ex wife disappear. Well, while he's there he ends up dating this woman named Robin. And for a while, things were going well. She was a single mom with a young daughter, and her impression was that she and Tyler were on a path towards marriage. A friend had introduced them, and apparently they got really serious really fast. But then Robyn realized that Tyler wasn't who he said he was. He told her his last name was Cook, but then one day when he took her on his new boat, she saw that the name of the boat was Mook Racing. And when she asked him about it, he said that Mook was his real last name and that he had just been kidding about it being Cook this entire time. So naturally, she Googles his ass, and obviously everything with Shelly came up. Can you imagine how scary this would have been for Robin to find out that the guy that you've been dating, the guy that you think you want to marry, Mary, has been lying about his last name? And far worse than that, he is suspected of making his ex wife disappear. Well, Robin said that she was super freaked out, especially considering the fact that she and Shelly kind of look similar. And long story short, she says that she tried to break up with him, but he smooth talked his way into convincing her to stay. He gave her some BS story that Shelly wasn't missing. She just ran away overseas to be with the guy that she was dating. Dating. And Tyler could be incredibly convincing, I guess. But his true colors did eventually show. It was 2014, and one day, Robin, Tyler, Tyler's brother Andrew and Andrew's girlfriend all decided to go for a little boat ride. Robin happened to be running late, though, which really pissed Tyler off. So much so that when she finally got there and got on the boat, he started speeding off. They were at Indian River Lagoon, which, of course, like many areas, has no wake zones for certain areas with a lot of manatees. But Tyler was just plowing through these with absolutely no regard. And as I think anyone would do, Robin told him that he needed to slow down, while her just telling him to slow down triggered Tyler enough that he stopped the boat. He then grabbed Robin super aggressively, and I guess she was trying to call her mom at the time. So he ripped her phone away from her, her threw it, and then he grabbed her sunglasses off her head, threw those, and then threw her into the water. Then after that, he jumps into the water as well, and he starts trying to drown her. Quite literally, he is trying to drown her. At one point, she explains that he is holding her upside down in the water, and she, you know, is fully freaking out, and he would have been successful at drowning her her if his brother didn't jump in the water and save her. Andrew said that he put Tyler in a chokehold, which gave Robin the chance to swim away. She then swam to a nearby boat where these two guys managed to pull her aboard. And they actually remember that Tyler was screaming at them and looked visibly pissed. And then they got out of there as quickly as possible to keep Robin safe. And coincidentally, there happened to be a cop right where they boated to. And they managed to arrest Tyler that afternoon on a battery charge. However, that charge was upgraded shortly after this to attempted first degree murder. And what's interesting is Robin was visited by detectives from Tennessee. And we don't know what was said, but it's believed that that's what prompted them to upgrade these charges. Now, as for Tyler's trial for this incident, that happened in the beginning of March of 2016, and it only lasted for a few days, but there were definitely a lot of wild moments and undeniably damning testimony. The jury heard from Tyler's own brother, Andrew, and also Andrew's girlfriend, and from Robin herself, all of whom retold the horrifying events of that day as he attempted to take Robin's life. And Andrew made it clear that he didn't want to testify against his brother, but he was ordered by the court to do so. So, and he described not only what he witnessed, but about how he had to put his own brother in a chokehold to stop him. And when Andrew's girlfriend testified, she said she specifically remembered hearing Tyler say, nobody disrespects me in front of my family, I'll kill her. And then, of course, Robin testified that day as well about how Tyler had tried to kill her. She described the fear that she felt when he threw her into the water and how she fought to try and stay alive as he continuously tried to push her under. And obviously, there was no denying that he did this. The argument here was over his intent. Of course, in the prosecution's eyes, his intention was to kill her, which I think that's most of our perspective, right? And then in the eyes of the defense, they said, sure, Tyler was mad, but he wasn't trying to kill her that day. They argued that because Robin never needed mouth to mouth mouth and had the capacity to yell and swim to another boat, that this wasn't as brutal of an attack as she had claimed it was. But in the end, though, thank God, the jury found him guilty not of attempted first degree murder, though, but attempted second degree instead. And I thought this was really sweet and also very powerful. But Shelly's family was actually there in support of Robin. And thankfully, Tyler was given a pretty hefty prison sentence of 12 years. And of course, I think most people, including myself, believe he deserves much more. But I guess 12 is better than nothing. And I could see it going the other way where he could have easily just gotten away with this without really serving any time at all or literally no time at all. Now, as for Shelly's case, I wish I had better news for you guys, but it seems to still just be at a standstill. Some people believe his family knows something and they're just protecting him. Others believe they don't know anything. But that being said, almost nobody in Tyler's life has spoken publicly to defend him. In my opinion, that says a lot. He does have one friend, Erica, who does seem to believe that he is innocent. Or at the very least, she is waiting to make a judgment until there's an actual arrest. But it's like, girl, really. She says that Tyler has always been incredibly thoughtful towards her and her family and it's hard for her to think he would be capable of this. And girl, I don't know you, I don't want to judge. I know it is hard to picture someone that has been nice to you could be possibly involved in something like this. But it does happen. And I gotta say, it sounds a bit silly the way you're talking. We all know, including you, that he is capable of trying to kill someone. He went to jail for 12 years for that. So let's do the math here. If he's capable of trying to. And all the, you know, facts we do have on this case sort of line up a certain way. Who is to say that he isn't capable of doing. And you cannot forget that at the end of the day, the only reason that Robin is still alive most likely is because Tyler was stopped. As of 2017, Tennessee District Attorney Robert Carter said, quote, I don't think there's any doubt a crime has been committed. The issue now is can we gather enough information, put it together to get beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law? This is a very active case. It's being worked extremely hard, and, man, I really hope so. He also says they are committed to getting justice, but they don't want to rush it. Now, of course, there is some sense of relief for everyone considering Tyler is in jail, but he's already nine years into a 12 year sentence, meaning in a couple of years he could be Free, most likely will. He did try to appeal his sentence, of course, in 2020. Thankfully, that was denied. And of course, we don't know for sure if he's guilty of making Shelley disappear here. But, man, it would be really amazing if justice came in the next three years before he's released so that her family can finally get peace. Because if it was him, and Big if there, of course, then he would never have the chance to be free again. And as a reminder, he still remains the only person of interest in this case. But what's interesting is it has been speculated that maybe someone else could have been involved. Because. Because that private investigator I mentioned earlier made a good point that if it was Tyler who did this and he was the one who burned her car, he would have needed help getting home because it was about 20 minutes away from his house where the car was burned. So someone likely would have had to pick him up. Right? And also who was watching Lily? Not that I'd be shocked if he left Lily home alone, Alone. Honestly, that's kind of my guess. But if he did walk 20 miles home, I would really hope that someone was at the house watching Lily during that. But if you think back to that 91 1, bud dial, he said that investigators have witnesses who saw him walking in the middle of the road that night. So that makes you think, was he really walking all the way home or was he walking to a certain point, someone picked him up. Up? I don't know. That call alone just says so much about his possible involvement, in my opinion. I don't know. I just wonder if there's more to this. And according to the NAMUS website, there is a $20,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of Shell's killer. And I truly hope that we don't have to wait 14 more years for answers. Currently, Shelly would be 39 years old. She is 5 7. She weighed approximately 160 pounds, had BL blonde hair and hazel eyes, as well as two tattoos. One on her wrist that said Liliana and a lily flower with a stem going down her back. If you have any information at all on her disappearance, Please contact the TBI at 1-800-824-3463. Before I go, I did want to let you know that her daughter appears to be doing really well in life. She's an all star volleyball athlete and received a full ride scholarship to play in college. And I have to say, she is the spinning image of her mother. Truly so, so, so beautiful. And Lily, if you happen to see This. I just wanted to send you my best and say that I am just so sorry for everything that you have been through. The fact that you have been able to, you know, do so well at a young age in your life after, you know, going through the experience you have and not having answers or justice to this day, it must be incredibly painful. Um, I also wanted to say that my team over at Higher Hope is going to be reaching out to you. We would love to get you a hope grant if that can help you in any way. And hopefully we can be in touch and talk soon. And man, do I hate ending episodes this way with no ending to it all. No justice, no answers. It's incredibly frustrating. But these are, you know, the cases that really need the coverage marriage. So thank you all for tuning into this episode. I really appreciate it. I'm sure Shelly's loved ones do as well. But that is going to be it for me today, guys. I also wanted to let you know that I will not be here next week. I am going on a little baby moon with my husband because I am now 20 weeks along. I can't believe it. I'm halfway through this pregnancy. Also, if you didn't hear the news, I posted it to Instagram, but if you don't follow, call me. I'm having a little boy and I'm very excited. I, like, cannot believe I'm actually getting to be a mother of a boy. So, yeah, I'm just really, really, really thankful and, you know, gonna take some time to reflect on, you know, this experience and what's coming next and just spend some quality time with my husband before we welcome another one into the chaos. But, yeah, I'm so excited and thank you guys for all your support. It just means the world to me. You have no idea. I feel very, very lucky to have just such an amazing audience who has been so kind to me during, you know, both my pregnancies. You guys are the best. But yeah, that's it for me today, guys. I hope you're having a good one and I will see you next time. That. 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