PREVIEW: Debriefing the First 100 Days with Chris Hayes

Summary

Trumpland with Alex Wagner - Episode Preview: Debriefing the First 100 Days with Chris Hayes

Release Date: May 15, 2025

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Introduction

In this special bonus episode of Trumpland with Alex Wagner, host Alex Wagner teams up with her colleague and longtime friend, MSNBC's Chris Hayes, to reflect on the tumultuous first 100 days of Donald Trump's second administration. This episode offers a comprehensive debrief, drawing from Wagner's extensive on-the-ground reporting across various states and even internationally, providing listeners with an in-depth analysis of the administration's initial actions and their broader implications.

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Reflections on the First 100 Days

Alex Wagner opens the conversation by highlighting the geographic breadth of her reporting during the first 100 days, covering key locations such as Washington D.C., New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Louisiana, North Carolina, Hungary, and New York City. She emphasizes the aim to revisit pivotal stories and the remarkable individuals encountered during this period.

Alex Wagner [00:08]:
“April 30th marked day 100 of this second Trump administration, and we ended Trump Land with Alex Wagner. The following day, this reporting project took us to DC, no surprise, as well as New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Louisiana, North Carolina and Hungary, not to mention a few right here in our backyard, New York City.”

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Chris Hayes on Memory and Perception

Chris Hayes delves into the psychological aspects of public perception under the Trump administration. He discusses the interplay between attention and memory, suggesting that the constant state of chaos and distraction may impair the public's ability to retain significant events or scandals related to Trump.

Chris Hayes [01:20]:
“I think there's a thing that happens with Trump which is this gauzy sense of kind of frenetic distraction all the time, somehow cuts off our ability to store anything he does in memory.”

Hayes cites the case of Trump’s wife, Melania, seeking a protective order and claims of domestic violence as an example of a significant story that was quickly overshadowed by the administration's relentless pace.

Chris Hayes [02:10]:
“So no one remembers anything about him. It's just this constant sort of now. And occasionally you'll, like, remember some scandal.”

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Comparing the First and Second Terms

The discussion shifts to a comparison between Trump's first and second 100 days in office. Hayes expresses that the second term has been markedly more intense, characterized by increased competence issues and a heightened sense of menace.

Chris Hayes [03:00]:
“Yeah, I can't remember the first one.”

He references specific events from the inaugural days of Trump's first term, such as Sean Spicer's controversial statements and the dismissal of FBI Director James Comey, to illustrate key moments that have historical significance.

Chris Hayes [03:05]:
“I remember Comey getting fired, which I think happened in the first hundred days, and Flynn having to resign.”

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The "Hearts" Metaphor: Shooting the Moon

One of the standout metaphors in the conversation is Chris Hayes' comparison of Trump's tactics to the card game Hearts, specifically the strategy known as "shooting the moon." This metaphor encapsulates his perception of Trump's actions as attempts to fundamentally alter the constitutional order.

Chris Hayes [03:55]:
“There's this sensation I had from the moment that he pardoned all the Jan Sixers… they’re going to try to shoot the moon. Meaning they're going to try to replace the existing constitutional order with a Trumpian dictatorship.”

Hayes likens the administration's behavior to a player in Hearts who is conspicuously attempting to achieve an opposing objective, thereby forcing other players to react and attempt to block this strategy.

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Heightened Menace and Destruction

Hayes emphasizes that the second 100 days have been fraught with greater threats and destructive actions compared to the first term. This includes a more pronounced sense of danger and the potential for undermining democratic institutions.

Chris Hayes [04:34]:
“Much more menace this time around. Much more destruction. Much more feeling of...”

He underscores the gravity of actions taken during this period, suggesting that they pose a more significant risk to the established order and democratic norms.

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Conclusion

The episode concludes with a reflection on the pervasive sense of uncertainty and the aggressive maneuvers characteristic of Trump's second term. Through engaging dialogue and insightful analysis, Alex Wagner and Chris Hayes provide listeners with a nuanced understanding of the administration's initial impact and the challenges ahead.

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Transcript

[Alex Wagner]

Hey, everyone. Welcome to a very special bonus episode of Trumpland with Alex Wagner, exclusively for our MSNBC Premium subscribers. April 30th marked day 100 of this second Trump administration, and we ended Trump Land with Alex Wagner. The following day, this reporting project took us to dc, no surprise, as well as New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Louis, Louisiana, North Carolina and Hungary, not to mention a few right here in our backyard, New York City. We wanted to take a second to look back on this wild time and some of the stories we covered and some of the pretty remarkable people we spoke to. In order to do that, I asked back one of our Trump Land guests and my colleague and my very old friend, MSNBC's own Chris A's. Hello, my friend.

[Chris Hayes]

Hey there, buddy.

[Alex Wagner]

Thank you for doing this.

[Chris Hayes]

You bet.

[Alex Wagner]

It's like the only time we really get to shoot the shit is when we're doing podcasts together. I know why, Lord, why? So I guess I first want to start with how were your second. First 100 days of a Trump administration.

[Chris Hayes]

Or my second first 100 days?

[Alex Wagner]

Yeah, because you did it once before when he was first elected.

[Chris Hayes]

Oh, right.

[Alex Wagner]

Or did you forget that?

[Chris Hayes]

I think I've wiped that from my memory. I actually think. Wait, can I say something on this? Which is an answer to your question, but also about memory. One of the things that I'm kind of obsessed with right now is the relationship between our attention and our memory and the degree to which, like, we all intuitively, I think get this, that at moments of peak focus, like if you're ever in, God forbid, like a, you know, car crash or something, or it commits to memory really intensely, you'll always remember it. And moments of distraction don't get stored in your memory. And I think there's a thing that happens with Trump which is this gauzy sense of kind of frenetic distraction all the time, somehow cuts off our ability to store anything he does in memory.

[Alex Wagner]

Yeah.

[Chris Hayes]

So that no one remembers anything about him. It's just this constant sort of now. And occasionally you'll, like, remember some scandal. Like I was remembering when they were talking about Abrego Garcia. His wife had a protective order. He was accused of domestic violence. She says they were going through a difficult period and, you know, wants him back. But when they were doing this, there was like a very high ranking Trump official in the first term who had two of his exes say that he was violent against them, including a picture of one with, like, an appallingly upsetting, like, black eye.

[Alex Wagner]

Yep, I remember that. I actually do remember that.

[Chris Hayes]

So I remember it, but it had been sublimated in my memory. It's just one tiny little story. It came and went. It was a big story. So to your answer of, like, how was my second first 100 days? Yeah, I can't remember the first one.

[Alex Wagner]

Can you really not?

[Chris Hayes]

I mean, I remember Sean Spicer at inauguration.

[Alex Wagner]

Right. I think the first day we all remember.

[Chris Hayes]

And I remember Comey getting fired, which I think happened in the first hundred days, and Flynn having to resign. Those threads I remember pretty well, but I don't remember it that well. And I would say this was, I don't know, ten times more intense. Yeah, they seemed much more bumbling and incompetent and like, the first time around. Yes. It was more dark comedy than, like, genuine menace. There was menacing aspects of the first hundred days, the first time around.

[Alex Wagner]

The Muslim ban.

[Chris Hayes]

The Muslim ban. The sort of chaos of those people showing up at airports and not knowing if they can get in the country. So there definitely was menace, but there was much, much, much more menace this time around. Much more destruction. Much more feeling of, like, the way that I think about it. Do you play Hearts ever? Have you ever played Hearts?

[Alex Wagner]

I used to, but like so many things, I've forgotten how to do it.

[Chris Hayes]

You know, there's this thing in hearts where you're trying to get as few points as possible, but there's this thing you could do called shoot the moon, where you get all the points, you have to get them all. And if you get them all, then you get this big prize you get sort of deduct. Right. And there's a point in a game of hearts where it's clear to everyone at the table that the person is shooting the moon. They're behaving in a way that only makes sense if they have this goal, which is the opposite goal of all the other players. And then this sensation sets in. It's like, oh, are they going to be able to pull this off? And you try to block them. That's the sensation I had from the moment that he pardoned all the Jan Sixers.

[Alex Wagner]

Oh, yes.

[Chris Hayes]

Was like, they're going to try to shoot the moon. Meaning they're going to try to replace the existing constitutional order with a Trumpian dictatorship. Like, yes, from day one, it was like, oh. And that was more clear this time than the last time.

[Alex Wagner]

You've teed up beautifully. A moment I want to replay. For anybody who missed it, we started doing this Trumpland podcast. To hear the rest of this episode, subscribe to MSNBC Premium. You'll get bonus episodes just like this as well as all MSNBC podcasts ad free.

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