The Music of Jeopardy! From a Lullaby to $100,000,000

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Podcast Summary: Twenty Thousand Hertz – "The Music of Jeopardy! From a Lullaby to $100,000,000"

Release Date: July 2, 2025

Introduction to Jeopardy!’s Musical Legacy

In this compelling episode of Twenty Thousand Hertz, host Dallas Taylor delves deep into the iconic music of the long-running game show Jeopardy!. Exploring its origins, evolution, and enduring cultural impact, the episode uncovers how a simple lullaby transformed into one of television’s most recognizable soundtracks.

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Merv Griffin: The Man Behind the Music

Dallas Taylor begins by introducing Merv Griffin, a seasoned entertainer with decades of experience in the industry. Griffin’s diverse background laid the foundation for his future contributions to Jeopardy!.

• [02:23] Merv Griffin: “One evening I was there when I heard a showman shouting underneath the flare I've got a lovely batch of coconut. There they are standing in the river.”

This anecdote reflects Griffin’s early foray into music, highlighting his knack for creating memorable melodies.

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From Lullaby to 'Think Music'

The narrative takes a personal turn as Taylor recounts how Griffin’s lullaby for his son became the genesis of Jeopardy!’s signature theme.

• [03:06] Merv Griffin: “Christmas city, wonderful city all dressed up in snow and mistletoe Christmas city, wonderful city.”

While returning from Duluth, Minnesota, Griffin and his wife Julann brainstormed ideas for a new game show. Julann’s suggestion to reverse the traditional question-and-answer format inspired Griffin to innovate.

• [04:10] Lisa Broffman: “You can hear in A Time for Tony that he was writing a lullaby for a baby.”

Merv Griffin composed "A Time for Tony," a gentle, looping melody intended to soothe his son, Tony, who was struggling to sleep.

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Early Years of Jeopardy! and Original Music

Griffin’s innovative approach led to the creation of Jeopardy!, which debuted in 1964 with Art Fleming as host. The initial musical landscape of the show was distinct from its current incarnation.

• [05:22] Lisa Broffman: “He changed the melody and obviously sped up the tempo. You can feel the similarity, but you can hear in the Jeopardy. Theme that he was writing something completely different, something that had a very tick tock sound. Counting down the time for a game show.”

The original run featured "Think Music" during the Final Jeopardy round and an energetic, bongo-driven piece as contestants took the stage.

• [06:30] Merv Griffin: “Jeopardy. Presents today's three contestants. This is Mrs. Norma dances from Rosslyn Pennsylvan.”

Despite its popularity, the original series struggled with archival preservation, leading to the loss of most episodes.

• [07:45] Lisa Broffman: “The original 1964-1975 show doesn't exist in those days…”

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The 1975 Cancellation and Legacy

In 1975, NBC canceled Jeopardy!, but the show's legacy endured through rights to its format, paving the way for future iterations.

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The 1984 Revival and Alex Trebek Era

Jeopardy! was revived in 1984 with Alex Trebek as the new host, ushering in a modernized soundscape that catapulted the show into widespread acclaim.

• [13:42] Merv Griffin: “Now entering the studio are today's contestants.”

The revival reintroduced "Think Music" and featured a synthesized theme song arranged by Mort Lindsay, significantly enhancing the show's appeal.

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Musical Changes Through the Decades

Over the years, Jeopardy! continuously refreshed its musical elements to stay relevant and engaging.

• 1997 Musical Refresh:

  Executive producer Harry Friedman enlisted composer Steve Kaplan to infuse the show with piano-heavy arrangements, replacing the original metronome-driven "Think Music."

  • [15:49] Dallas Taylor: “The next big change for Jeopardy. Sound came in 1997 when executive producer Harry Friedman decided it was time for a musical refresh.”

• 2008 Orchestral Arrangements:

  Collaborating with Chris Bell Music, the show introduced more elaborate orchestral sounds, including a new theme song that remains in use today.

  • [17:05] Dallas Taylor: “Then in 2008, they worked with a company called Chris Bell Music to create some more fleshed out orchestral arrangements, including a new theme song.”

• 2019 Collaboration with Bleeding Fingers Music:

  Facing the challenges of the pandemic, Jeopardy! partnered with Bleeding Fingers Music, co-founded by Hans Zimmer, to craft a fresh musical package that retained the essence of the original themes.

  • [18:35] Lisa Broffman: “It was a wonderful thing because they were so in tune to what we wanted and what we hoped for and so creative and so professional. So we've used Bleeding Fingers ever since.”

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Cultural Impact and Recognition

The enduring appeal of Jeopardy!’s music is evident in its pervasive presence across American culture.

• [20:32] Lisa Broffman: “It must have been in the late 90s, early 2000s, when one of the NFL games started playing the think music during instant replay when the referees were judging a particular play. And I remember thinking, wow, this has really become part of American culture, Because everyone knew what that meant.”

A 2021 survey highlighted Jeopardy!’s theme as the most recognizable TV theme song in America, rivaling brands like McDonald's and shows like The Simpsons.

• [20:56] Dallas Taylor: “There are only a few pieces of branded music that even come close to this level, like the McDonald's I'm lovin. And maybe the Simpsons theme song.”

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Insights from Lisa Broffman

Lisa Broffman, a pivotal figure behind the scenes, shares her experiences and reflections on the show's musical journey.

• [09:56] Lisa Broffman: “And crucially, it did not have the Think Music because there was no Final Jeopardy. They changed the format and it didn't do well. It didn't last very long.”

Her tenure, which began in the late 80s, provided her with a front-row seat to the show's evolution, particularly its sound design.

• [15:11] Lisa Broffman: “And I remember because everyone that worked at Merv Griffin Productions had a choice of working on either Jeopardy. Or Dance Fever…”

Broffman’s insights emphasize the meticulous care taken to preserve the integrity and historic elements of the show’s music across different productions and technological advancements.

• [22:09] Lisa Broffman: “We've produced over 9,000 episodes, and how many times we have heard that theme and that think music. And every single time, it's pleasing. There's something about it that just feels good.”

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Conclusion: Timelessness of Jeopardy!’s Theme

As the episode concludes, Taylor reflects on the intentional design and enduring appeal of Jeopardy!’s music. From a heartfelt lullaby to a symbol of intellectual challenge, the theme has remained a constant in a rapidly changing media landscape.

• [22:26] Dallas Taylor: “The crew behind jeopardy. Know just how powerful this music is, and that's why, more than 60 years after Jeopardy. Started, this melody is still going strong.”

The legacy of Merv Griffin’s original composition continues to resonate, proving the timelessness and adaptability of a well-crafted melody.

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Notable Quotes:

• [04:10] Lisa Broffman: “You can hear in A Time for Tony that he was writing a lullaby for a baby.”
• [05:22] Lisa Broffman: “He changed the melody and obviously sped up the tempo...”
• [13:42] Merv Griffin: “Now entering the studio are today's contestants.”
• [20:32] Lisa Broffman: “...this has really become part of American culture, Because everyone knew what that meant.”
• [22:09] Lisa Broffman: “There's something about it that just feels good.”

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Final Thoughts

This episode of Twenty Thousand Hertz masterfully illustrates how Jeopardy!’s music transcended its original purpose, becoming an integral part of American cultural identity. Through interviews and historical insights, listeners gain a comprehensive understanding of the music’s evolution and its lasting legacy.

Transcript

[Dallas Taylor]

After years of work and months of teasing, it's finally here. 20,000Hz has now officially expanded into video the first two episodes of our brand new video series are available right now over on my YouTube channel, which is under Dallas Taylor MP3. In the first video, I go behind the scenes on the set of Jeopardy. With their incredible audio team. It's a completely different story than what you're about to hear in this episode, but it ties in beautifully with on the second video, I go into Studio 8H at Saturday night Live and meet one of their boom operators and get up on the boom myself to try it out. More stories like this will be coming out every week, so take a quick moment right now to open the show notes of this episode, follow the link to my YouTube channel, Dallas Taylor MP3 and tap subscribe. But I don't want you to miss this podcast episode because it's incredibly special. This entire episode is sponsored by Sonos. Sonos has been my favorite home speaker company for years and recently they expanded into the headphone market with the new Sonos Ace. And just like I expected, they absolutely nailed it. The sound is rich and detailed, bringing out subtle textures in music, dialogue and sound design that makes everything feel more vivid. They're also super comfortable. I've worn them for hours and barely noticed they were there and the battery life is really impressive. Getting up to 30 hours on a single charge unlock the full potential of your music with Sonos ace headphones. Visit sonos.com to hear the difference. You're listening to 20,000HZ. The stories behind the world's most iconic and fascinating sounds. I'm Dallas Taylor New York City, 1963 Mervyn Griffin Jr. Is at his home with his three year old son Tony. Merv is 39 years old and already has decades of experience in the entertainment industry. In his 20s he started singing with a big band and in 1949 they had a hit with a quirky song called I've Got a Lovely Bunch of Coconuts down at an English fair.

[Merv Griffin]

One evening I was there when I heard a showman shouting underneath the flare I've got a lovely batch of coconut. There they are standing in the river.

[Dallas Taylor]

In the 1950s, Merv acted in several films and then became the host of a TV game show called Play youy Hunch.

[Merv Griffin]

If you want to know what these folks are doing, you'll have a chance to figure it out for yourself on Play youy Hunch, starring Merv Griffin.

[Dallas Taylor]

In 1962, he got his own talk show called the Merv Griffin show. That same year, he and his wife Julann flew to Duluth, Minnesota, where Merv recorded the official song for their annual Christmas parade.

[Merv Griffin]

Christmas city, wonderful city all dressed up in snow and mistletoe Christmas city, wonderful city.

[Dallas Taylor]

On their flight back to New York, Merv and Julan discussed ideas for a new question and answer style game show. Then Julan said, why not switch it around? Make a show where the contestants are given the answer first and then have to come up with the question. For instance, 5280, with the answer being how many feet are in a mile? Merv loved this idea. He took it to NBC, who bought it without even seeing a pilot. But right now, back at the house, Merv's not thinking about show business. He's thinking about his young son Tony, who's having trouble going to sleep. So Merv sits down at his piano, hoping to come up with some kind of lullaby. In less than a minute, he settles on this pleasant, looping melody. Merv endearingly calls this piece A Time for Tony. What you're hearing is a version of the song that he recorded in 1970.

[Lisa Broffman]

You can hear in A Time for Tony that he was writing a lullaby for a baby.

[Dallas Taylor]

That's Lisa Broffman, who first started working with Merv merv in the mid-70s.

[Lisa Broffman]

It has a very slow tempo. It's a lovely piece.

[Dallas Taylor]

Soon after, Merv is back at work developing that new game show for NBC. He and the producers decide the show will have a final round where the contestants can wager their winnings on a single guess. And they want some kind of music to play while they write down their answers. Something pleasant that also builds anticipation. Then Murph thinks back to his lullaby, A Time for Tony. It could almost work, but the melody's not quite right. Then suddenly, he gets it, and the world of television will never be the same.

[Lisa Broffman]

He changed the melody and obviously sped up the tempo. You can feel the similarity, but you can hear in the Jeopardy. Theme that he was writing something completely different, something that had a very tick tock sound. Counting down the time for a game show.

[Dallas Taylor]

Jeopardy. First aired in 1964 with Art Fleming as host. In the final Jeopardy. Round, they used Merv's tune, which they called the Think Music.

[Lisa Broffman]

It warms my heart to hear that still to this day. The thing that I loved about that original plink music was the metronome. That tick tock sound was probably so important to him because it was counting down the seconds that you had to finish your final Jeopardy. Response.

[Dallas Taylor]

In the original Run of Jeopardy. That melody was only used in the final Jeopardy. Round. As the contestants took the stage at the top of the show, they played this energetic, bongo driven piece.

[Merv Griffin]

Jeopardy. Presents today's three contestants. This is Mrs. Norma dances from Rosslyn Pennsylvan.

[Dallas Taylor]

Then, when Art Fleming came out, they played a jazzy piece written by Merv's wife Julann called Take 10. It was also used during the credits. There were also differences in the sound effects.

[Lisa Broffman]

There was actually a sound effect when you rang in, and on the pilot, it sounded like a goose honking. As soon as you saw the clue, you could ring in. So as Art Fleming is reading the answer, someone right in the middle of his read could honk.

[Merv Griffin]

Changing the category for $30. The answer is she. Finally, Columbus first voyage. Jesse, what did Queen Isabella do that.

[Lisa Broffman]

Went away for the series? It became more of a ding book beat.

[Merv Griffin]

The dealer suggests card counting as a way to win at this gambling game. Norma, what is blackjack? That is right. Yes.

[Dallas Taylor]

Blackjack's a lady. The original run of Jeopardy. Was pretty popular, though it wasn't as iconic as the later iterations. And despite running for 11 years, all you can find these days are a couple of very low quality episodes.

[Lisa Broffman]

The original 1964-1975 show doesn't exist in those days. In the 60s, all shows were recorded on 2 inch videotape and it was extremely expensive. So it was a common practice to reuse reels.

[Dallas Taylor]

In other words, after the episode aired, they'd tape over that recording for a different show.

[Lisa Broffman]

We have found five copies of the show and the pilot. So unfortunately, those 2,200 shows don't exist anymore, except for the few that we have found.

[Dallas Taylor]

In 1975, during some network restructuring, NBC decided to cancel Jeopardy. But the show still had a year left in its contract. So to make up for this, NBC greenlit another game show that Merv Griffin had been developing. A little show called Wheel of Fortune.

[Merv Griffin]

Just look at this studio filled with beautiful and imaginative gifts which can be purchased today on Wheel of Fortune.

[Dallas Taylor]

That's around the time that Lisa started working for Merv Griffin Enterprises as a production manager.

[Lisa Broffman]

I started with Merv in 1976. I was 24 years old.

[Dallas Taylor]

Shortly after, NBC rebooted Jeopardy, Calling it the all new Jeopardy.

[Lisa Broffman]

And I remember because everyone that worked at Merv Griffin Productions had a choice of working on either Jeopardy. Or Dance Fever, which was another production of Merv's it's time for Dance Fever starring Denny Terrio.

[Merv Griffin]

Dance Fever, the show featuring the country's.

[Lisa Broffman]

Top Disco Dancers Dance Fever so all the really established people on the staff, their first choice was, of course, Jeopardy. All the rest of us worked on Dance Fever.

[Dallas Taylor]

For the all new Jeopardy. Art Fleming returned as host, but other parts of the show were less familiar. In the intro, they used a new Merv Griffin composition called January, February, March. They also changed some of the rules.

[Lisa Broffman]

And crucially, it did not have the Think Music because there was no Final Jeopardy. They changed the format and it didn't do well. It didn't last very long. It was only one season.

[Dallas Taylor]

By the spring of 1979, the all new Jeopardy. Had fizzled out, but the story of Jeopardy. Was far from over. Five years later, Jeopardy. Would be back on the air with a new host and a synthy new soundscape, and from there it would blast off into the pop culture stratosphere. That's coming up after the break. I remember when I got my first Sonos speaker. Like almost all of their speakers, when you first start it up, you can use a feature called trueplay to calibrate the device to the acoustics of the room it's placed in. While it does, it makes these little pings. When it's finished, you hear this satisfying sound, and just like that, the speaker is beautifully tuned to your physical space. When I first did this, it felt like I was unlocking some incredible sci fi technology, and ever since then, I've been hooked. I Now have over 20 Sonos speakers in nearly every corner of my home, and these devices have become a fundamental part of my day to day life. Like when I'm hanging out in the backyard, I use a Sonos port to wirelessly route the signal from my record player out to a Sonos Move 2 speaker. The when I head to the beach with my kids, I bring the ultra portable Roam 2. When it's time to put the kids to bed, they calm their minds with gentle music played through a Sonos Era 100. And when my family and I settle in to watch a movie, the sound plays through a Sonos Arc Ultra, a Sonos subwoofer, and two linked Sonos surround speakers. It's an incredible immersive home theater experience that always sounds amazing. More recently though, I got the Sonos Ace headphones and they integrate seamlessly into the system. Whenever I switch from my home speakers to the headphones or vice versa, the audio hands off smoothly without skipping a beat. For me, Sonos is about more than just speakers. It's how my family and I wind down at the end of every day and Kickstart our mornings with the right energy. These devices are intuitive, they're convenient, and most importantly, they sound fantastic. Visit sonos.com to hear the difference. There's also a link in the show notes. Again, that's sonos.com Congratulations to Elizabeth Manderly for getting last episode's mystery sound right. That's the production logo of Focus Features, a subsidiary of NBCUniversal. The audio features a calm two beat theme crafted by Michael A. Reagan and Gregory Heiner. Reagan has composed music for things like Powerpuff Girls and the God of War Games, while Heiner worked in the sound department on films like Black Hawk down and the Siege. And here's this episode's mystery sound. And again, if you know that sound, tell us at the web address mystery.2000. Anyone who guesses it right will be entered to win a super soft 20,000Hz t shirt. After the cancellation of the all new Jeopardy, many people thought the show was done for good. But in 1984, NBC revived this game show again. This time it included the voice of Johnny Gilbert as the show announcer.

[Merv Griffin]

Now entering the studio are today's contestants.

[Dallas Taylor]

And the legendary Alex Trebek as the new host.

[Merv Griffin]

Welcome to America's favorite answering question game, Jeopardy. You know how we play it.

[Dallas Taylor]

This time they brought back final Jeopardy, including the classic Think music. And for the intro, Merv worked with orchestrator Mort Lindsay and a large group of musicians to craft a hyped up synthesized theme song built around the Think melody. This iteration of Jeopardy. Explorer exploded in popularity. Within a few years, it was reaching around 11 million households per month. And ever since, it's been on the air continually with over 9,000 episodes and counting. Along with the new theme song, the 80s reboot of Jeopardy. Included a batch of new sound effects, some of which are still used to this day. There's the lasery daily double sound and the phone like time's up sound. Then there was the board fill sound, which they simply called the beep boops. That one was eventually replaced.

[Lisa Broffman]

We don't know what mechanism Merv had to record that, but we used that forever. And we miss.

[Dallas Taylor]

Was in the late 80s that Lisa started working on Jeopardy.

[Lisa Broffman]

The producer of Jeopardy. And said, I need you to come over here. And there was one thing that I knew that I never wanted to work on a game show. It just wasn't where I wanted my career to go. But when Jeopardy. Called, Jeopardy is something completely different. And the level of respectability of that show was something that I thought that I would be very proud to be a part of. So in 1989, it was toward the end of season 2005, I joined the team and it's been absolutely wonderful.

[Dallas Taylor]

The next big change for Jeopardy. Sound came in 1997 when executive producer Harry Friedman decided it was time for a musical refresh. So they brought in composer Steve Kaplan for some new piano heavy arrangements. Here's Steve's update on the theme song. He also revamped the Think Music around a jazzy piano, replacing Merv's 60s version after decades of use. Around this time, they also ramped up various Jeopardy. Specials and spinoffs which often involved unique music.

[Lisa Broffman]

When we did the college championship, we actually had a marching band arrangement done.

[Merv Griffin]

The college championships on Jeopardy.

[Lisa Broffman]

Rock and Roll Jeopardy. We had a very rock and roll sound for the opening theme Sports Jeopardy. We had a very athletic sounding theme.

[Dallas Taylor]

Then in 2008, they worked with a company called Chris Bell Music to create some more fleshed out orchestral arrangements, including a new theme song.

[Lisa Broffman]

We used a full orchestra and we only had an hour with them and there were two minutes left in our session and we hadn't yet recorded Think Music. And the musicians started getting up and leaving and we said, wait, wait, wait, we need the Think music. So they went through it twice and we got it and they got up and left.

[Dallas Taylor]

This is the version that still plays on the regular show today.

[Lisa Broffman]

It's beautiful Think Music, but it doesn't have the metronome. And that always bothered me.

[Dallas Taylor]

Soon after, they replaced this sound with something more modern and airy, almost like a gentle notification. That one only lasted about six years. When they updated it, they kept the basic melody but made it more rhythmic and pulsing. In the late 2010s, the Jeopardy. Team commissioned a new music package from a company called Bleeding Fingers Music, which was co founded by Hans Zimmer.

[Lisa Broffman]

It actually happened in 2019 when we were producing Goat the Greatest of all time short series.

[Dallas Taylor]

Here's the Think Music that Bleeding Fingers produced for the Goat series and here's their title theme, which debuted on the main series in 2021.

[Lisa Broffman]

It was a wonderful thing because they were so in tune to what we wanted and what we hoped for and so creative and so professional. So we've used Bleeding Fingers ever since.

[Dallas Taylor]

The arrangement of Jeopardy's latest theme song happened right around the time that the pandemic was taking off. And after shutting down for several months, Lisa and the crew worked hard to rebuild the set and revamp their workflows.

[Lisa Broffman]

So when we came back in July, I went into the ladies room and some clever staff member wrote lyrics, but it was just do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do. And it was the spacing of those lyrics where you looked at it and you immediately figured out it was the think music. The protocol was to wash your hands for at least 20 seconds, so if you hummed the think music, you knew you hit that 20 seconds. But it was so charming because every once and I could hear the person inside singing the think music.

[Dallas Taylor]

Of course, it's not just the Jeopardy. Crew that knows this music front to back. Basically everyone does. A 2021 survey revealed that the jeopardy. Music is the most recognizable TV theme song in America. And there are references to it all over the place.

[Lisa Broffman]

It must have been in the late 90s, early 2000s, when one of the NFL games started playing the think music during instant replay when the referees were judging a particular play. And I remember thinking, wow, this has really become part of American culture, Because everyone knew what that meant.

[Dallas Taylor]

There are only a few pieces of branded music that even come close to this level, like the McDonald's I'm lovin.

[Merv Griffin]

It.

[Dallas Taylor]

And maybe the Simpsons theme song.

[Merv Griffin]

The Simpsons.

[Dallas Taylor]

Anything that well known is worth a lot of money, and the Jeopardy. Theme is no exception. In 2005, Merv Griffin told the New York Times that this 30 second jingle had made him between 70 and 80 million dollars. That was 20 years ago, so it's safe to assume that this is now over 100 million. MERV passed away in 2007 at the age of 82, but the royalties for this theme still go to his family, including his only child, Tony, Merv's original inspiration all those years ago. By this point, Jeopardy. Has been a cultural touchstone for decades. Many people like me started watching it as a kid and then kept watching it their whole lives. If that includes you, then chances are your favorite versions of the theme song and the think music are the ones that you heard when you first fell in love with the show. And that just proves how malleable and timeless this melody really is.

[Lisa Broffman]

We've produced over 9,000 episodes, and how many times we have heard that theme and that think music. And every single time, it's pleasing. There's something about it that just feels good.

[Dallas Taylor]

The crew behind jeopardy. Know just how powerful this music is, and that's why, more than 60 years after Jeopardy. Started, this melody is still going strong.

[Lisa Broffman]

You know, through different producers that have come and gone on the show, they've all been extremely careful to keep the integrity and the historic elements of the show intact. Any changes that have been made have been just slight modifications as the show evolved. You know, it's not just what you see, but it's what you hear. Alex's voice over all those years became so recognizable.

[Merv Griffin]

Thank you. We'll see you next time. Ladies and gentlemen, new champion gets to defend his title right here on Jeopardy. Hello.

[Lisa Broffman]

And now we don't have Alex anymore, but we have wonderful Ken Jennings.

[Dallas Taylor]

Thank you, folks. Thank you.

[Merv Griffin]

Johnny Gilbert.

[Dallas Taylor]

Welcome to Jeopardy.

[Lisa Broffman]

And happy May Day to hear that same music and to hear Johnny Gilbert's voice from the very beginning. Still through the shows today, from the.

[Merv Griffin]

Alex Trebek stage at Sony picture Studios, this is jeopardy.

[Lisa Broffman]

It brings you back, it makes you feel feel like you're part of this history. So I think it's really important. It is what it's always been and that's not going to change.

[Dallas Taylor]

After 36 years on the show. Lisa herself is a big part of that history and she's still thrilled to be working as Jeopardy's consulting co executive producer.

[Lisa Broffman]

It's like getting to stay in college for your whole life. 61 pieces of information for every single show that is fascinating. It's about the world, music and cultures and politics and history and wars and brilliant minds. There's so much in life to know and it's so fascinating the more you know. So it's been so rewarding for me. I've been very proud of my. My career at Jeopardy.

[Dallas Taylor]

Jeopardy. Has been in my life ever since I can remember. And every time I watch it, I'm reminded of how intentional everything feels. Every shot, every audio cue, every interjection from Ken Jennings. It's this well oiled machine that feels familiar and comfortable while consistently surprising me with new bits of knowledge. Now, I've always wanted to see how that machine operates from the inside, but for how famous this show is, there's been very little behind the scenes footage until now. I'm excited to announce that today marks the expansion of 20,000 hertz into video. And on my YouTube channel, I go behind the scenes on the set of Jeopardy. To learn the sonic secrets of this iconic show. I interview all four people on the show's audio crew and go into areas that the public, as far as I know, has never seen before. To watch it right now, just tap the link in the show notes or search for DallasTaylor MP3 on YouTube. Once you're there, make sure you subscribe to see more of the incredible journey I've been on. I can't wait for you to see this 20,000 Hz is produced out of my sound agency, Defacto Sound. To hear more, follow Defacto Sound on instagram or visit defactosound.com this episode was written and produced by Casey Emerling with help from Grace East. It was sound designed and mixed by Brandon Pratt and Joel Boyter. Thanks to our guest Lisa Broffman. Subscribe to my YouTube channel Dallas Taylor MP3 to see our new exclusive video series. I've been traveling across the country getting behind the scenes access to all kinds of amazing people and places. It's all crafted with video in mind, so what you see over there will be different from what you hear on this podcast. But it's the nine years of respect and enthusiasm for 20,000 hertz that has opened these doors for me and I'm so grateful for you, our listeners, for making this possible. So thank you for listening. Please continue to do so and also come join me on YouTube for even more incredible sound stories. Again, that link is in the show notes. Finally, you can also find me on LinkedIn, Instagram and TikTok where you'll get a more behind the scenes look at my process along with short videos pulled from these experiences. I'm Dallas Taylor. Thanks for listening. Before we go, a big thanks to Sonos for sponsoring this episode. If you're ready to level up your day to day audio experience, Sonos has all kinds of great options. Visit sonos.com to hear the difference. Finally, take a quick moment to open up my YouTube channel, Dallas Taylor MP3 and tap subscribe. We just dropped our first two videos about my behind the scenes on Jeopardy. And Saturday Night Live and I have so many more videos coming soon. At least one a week for the foreseeable future. To be the first to see them. Subscribe to Dallas Taylor MP3 on YouTube. There's also a link in the show Notes. Go tap it. Thanks.