Episode 352 - Tallman House | The Haunted Bunk Bed Case

Summary

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Episode Summary: Two Girls One Ghost — Ep. 352: Tallman House | The Haunted Bunk Bed Case

Released: December 14, 2025
Hosts: Corinne Vien & Sabrina Deana-Roga
Theme: A deep dive into the infamous Tallman House haunting in Horicon, Wisconsin—the so-called "haunted bunk bed case."

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Episode Overview

This episode explores one of America's best-documented object hauntings: the Tallman family’s terrifying ordeal after bringing a secondhand bunk bed into their seemingly normal midwestern home in the late 1980s. Corinne and Sabrina recount the bizarre chain of escalating paranormal phenomena that plagued the Tallmans, impacted neighbors, and culminated in a local frenzy—while also unpacking persistent mysteries and skepticism around the case.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Setting the Scene: The Tallman Family’s “American Dream” [05:25–10:00]

• Alan and Debbie Tallman, a working-class couple, buy a home in tranquil Horicon, Wisconsin in April 1986 to raise their young son and daughter, with a third child on the way.
• Corinne describes the area as a "marsh-lined town filled with working class families" and typical of ‘80s small-town life.
• The house is new (built two years prior), with "no violent past, no prior reports of unusual activity" [06:45], suggesting nothing untoward was expected.
• Early months in the house are idyllic—until a fateful purchase.

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2. The Arrival of the Bunk Bed & Early Activity [09:33–12:48]

• For their daughter's transition out of a crib, the Tallmans buy a secondhand bunk bed cheaply ("for $100, originally $400").
• Alan brings the bed to the basement to repaint and reinforce it. After one painting session, he finds his paintbrush mysteriously inside the paint can, handle-down—and the can’s lid off. He rationalizes it's exhaustion or forgetfulness.
• "You could write it off in so many ways," says Sabrina [12:50], establishing the Tallmans' tendency to seek rational explanations.

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3. Immediate Haunting Upon Assembly [12:48–15:34]

• Once the bunk beds are moved into the daughter’s room, paranormal activity skyrockets.
• Night 1:
  • Daughter feels someone sit at the end of her bed.
  • Son sees his clock radio dials move by unseen hands.
  • Alan hears his name faintly whispered as he falls asleep—"Alan…" [14:41]
• Still, the parents try to explain away the incidents as nerves, new routines, and childhood imagination.

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4. Escalation & Impossible Experiences [15:34–27:21]

• Physical and Environmental Manifestations:
  • Chilling cold spots, moving doors, shaking furniture, and poltergeist-like activity, especially around the bunk bed.
• Auditory Phenomena:
  • Family members—including the very young daughter—hear their names called by disembodied voices, often when alone.
• Sightings of the Apparition:
  • The daughter wakes to see "a woman with long dark hair" and "glowing red eyes… standing in fire outside my door" [21:57]. The parents explain it as nightmares.
  • Months later, the son independently reports seeing the same "woman in fire," confirming the child’s visions and making the phenomenon undeniable.
• Notable Quote:
  "This is the moment that they stopped ignoring it… All of these things that are happening, we can't ignore anymore." — Sabrina [23:04]

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5. Desperation & Failed Interventions [25:23–34:13]

• The Tallmans seek spiritual help; a pastor proclaims the house to be "the work of the devil" [26:54] and blesses it—but the haunting worsens.
• "It ended up intensifying the haunting more than anything, which is so frustrating," Corinne laments [27:21], highlighting a familiar pattern.
• The grandmother and neighbors also witness supernatural events, including seeing the woman’s red eyes peering through windows.
• Alan attempts to protect his children by sleeping in their room nightly, but is terrorized by "a misty blob" that whispers, "You're dead" [33:38].

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6. The Breaking Point: Fleeing the Home [34:13–36:39]

• After a terrifying ordeal witnessed by a skeptical family member, Debbie flees with her children and does not return.
• The family never lives in the home again, regardless of financial loss or uncertainty.

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7. Aftermath & Media Frenzy [39:34–46:07]

• Rumors swirl throughout the town ("bleeding walls, a hole to hell, a ghost-powered snowblower" [39:34]), drawing thrill-seekers and resulting in police involvement.
• Police reportedly believe the Tallmans, and advise them to set the record straight via a single, sensitive news interview.
• The Tallmans ultimately destroy and discreetly bury the bunk beds in a landfill where “nobody will ever build” [43:06]. Afterward, the hauntings cease permanently for the family and for future residents of the house.

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8. Legacy, Unsolved Mysteries, and Lingering Questions [44:14–49:41]

• The case was dramatized for an Unsolved Mysteries episode (Season 3, Episode 13)—filmed in the real house—but later removed from streaming due to probable family wishes/respect.
• The Tallmans have refused all other media offers, prioritizing privacy and healing.
• Listeners, hosts, and even local police have differing opinions on causality:
  • Was it the bunk bed, the family, or the house itself?
  • Reports suggest some minor activity (such as a moving chair) happened before the bunk bed arrived, adding to the conundrum.
• Notable Quote:
  "We don't know. But all we do know is that ever since moving and ever since destroying the bunk beds, the Tallman family has not experienced a haunting." — Sabrina [48:49]

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9. Listener Story: “I Was a Creepy Kid” [52:03–57:42]

• Peyton writes in with tales of sleepwalking, creepy behavior as a child (including bunk bed moments!), and potential afterlife contact with both her deceased grandfathers.
• Hosts reflect on children's openness to the supernatural and the differences between creepy, possessed, and simply sensitive kids.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

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• “Maybe he like rushed upstairs because maybe, yes, maybe Debbie did call with some urgency. … He doesn't really think much of it. I wouldn't either. … You could write it off in so many different ways.”
  — Sabrina [12:46]

• “This is what you're told to do. … And then, like, that’s supposed to end things, or at least like, you hope heard it enough, you know? … But in so many of these cases, that actually makes things worse.”
  — Corinne [27:21]

• “You're dead.”
  — Paranormal entity to Alan [33:38]

• "They took [the bunk beds] out there and plowed them under and it's like undisclosed location. They don’t want anyone to have access to these."
  — Sabrina quoting Debbie [43:06]

• "Sometimes you're just a conduit for your relatives, and sometimes you buy haunted bunk beds, and there's no reason, no rhyme — just run."
  — Sabrina [58:18]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment Description | |---------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 05:25 | Setting: Tallman family background; house purchase | | 09:33 | Arrival of bunk bed; strange first incident (paintbrush in can) | | 12:48 | First night bunk bed assembled—the immediate escalation | | 14:41 | First whispered “Alan…” in the night | | 21:57 | Daughter’s sighting of “woman in fire”; parents' denial | | 23:04 | Son corroborates, case becomes irrefutable | | 25:23 | Poltergeist-like activity: shaking furniture, moved objects, cold spots | | 26:54 | Pastor’s failed intervention | | 33:38 | Apparition issues a death threat: “You’re dead” | | 34:13 | Family flees the house after a final, unreported encounter | | 39:34 | Town rumor mill erupts; media & police involvement | | 43:06 | Bunk beds destroyed and buried; hauntings cease | | 44:14 | “Unsolved Mysteries” segment and subsequent removal | | 48:49 | Discussion: beds vs. house vs. family—what caused the haunting? | | 52:03 | Listener story: “I Was a Creepy Kid” (Peyton’s paranormal childhood anecdotes) |

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Tone & Style

The hosts balance heavily researched narration, empathy for the family, and contagious dark humor (e.g., “Tisdack for the demon,” “chicken butt” running joke, and camp/summer bunk bed horror digressions). Corinne and Sabrina’s conversational style both lightens the subject and underscores parental fear and the trauma of unexplainable hauntings.

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Final Takeaways

• The Tallman House remains a touchstone case for haunted-object lore—and a rare instance where destroying the item appeared to end the haunting.
• The family’s privacy and lingering trauma are respected throughout, with Corinne and Sabrina frequently emphasizing the importance of “not giving more energy” to such cases unless chosen by the affected.
• The episode explores questions of skepticism, rumor, and how the line between folklore and lived supernatural trauma often blurs.

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Recommended for listeners fascinated by haunted object lore, 1980s American ghost stories, and the social impact of infamous hauntings.

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Key Quote:
"Sometimes you're just a conduit for your relatives, and sometimes you buy haunted bunk beds—there's no reason, no rhyme, just run."
— Sabrina [58:18]

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Further Reading/Viewing:

• Segment (if available): Unsolved Mysteries, Season 3, Episode 13
• “Tallman House” newspaper accounts, Milwaukee Sentinel, Jan–Feb 1988

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

1-800-Contacts. Oh, yeah. Very spooky.

[C]

Hello.

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Good morning.

[C]

Good morning.

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Looks nice.

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Thanks.

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So pretty.

[C]

So does yours.

[B]

So pretty. Don't you dare compliment me. Ah.

[C]

This is two girls, one Ghost. Two girls, one Ghost.

[B]

And we have Sven here. If you're watching on video, Sven is accompanied by a new little friend in the studio. A menace, an elf on the shelf.

[C]

Someone that I. You know, I almost would rather be around a haunted object than an elf on the shelf. I find them so incredibly creepy.

[B]

Well, isn't the whole thing we're kind of turning them into haunted objects because we're giving so much energy to the fact that they're moving, they're doing things. They're being little trickster spirits.

[C]

I don't like it one bit.

[B]

I wouldn't be surprised if they haunted you.

[C]

Oh, this is two girls, one ghost. Did we say that?

[B]

Yep, we did.

[C]

The whole thing. Wow.

[B]

It was just a reminder in case you forgot. If you forgot where you were.

[C]

Like her in this is Two girls, One ghost. Just shitting.

[B]

Oh, it's like, weird.

[C]

Just. What if, like, this was the moment that you realized I'd, like, crazy short term memory. I hit my head last night.

[B]

You're dory.

[C]

No, sorry. I'm just mentally not all there. Just.

[B]

Just.

[C]

You're just. Just. I'm just just.

[B]

And I do have a haunted object story this week.

[C]

Oh, yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

For a minute I thought you meant, like, you had your own.

[B]

Oh, no. Personally, no. But anyway, we're not talking about us today. We're talking about a family that was plagued by something horrifying. It's a haunting story of a family tormented in their own home. A case with dozens of witnesses. Dang. This is the story of the Tallman house in Horicon, Wisconsin. AKA the haunted bunk bed case.

[C]

This sounds so familiar. I feel like this is definitely on, like, every single list of haunted objects or something.

[B]

So. It is on a lot of lists, but. But it's also kind of a mystery because. And we'll get to that. But the family doesn't really talk about it, and they've turned down multiple offers, like big money offers for people to cover their case and do more in depth about it. But the family, which makes me feel.

[C]

Like they were really scared because if you're like, I don't want to bring any more attention or energy to it, and, like, no money could make me do that.

[B]

Yeah. I think also they just didn't want it to be everything that they were about. They're like, we're just working, working class.

[C]

We're just the opposite of us.

[B]

Very opposite. We here at Two Girls, One Ghost love to be about ghosts.

[C]

Like, do you know anything else about us?

[B]

It's interesting because I've been spending a lot more time in, like, my creative space, and when I keep, like, wanting to write stories, I'm like, do I make a decision to write something that's paranormal? But then does that, like, lock me.

[C]

In to being a paranormal writer?

[B]

Yeah, I feel like you can jump around.

[C]

Riley Sager is a great example.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But sometimes there's real ghosts, and then sometimes it's just a mystery.

[B]

But I feel like I have to make that decision first, and then I can jump around.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Like, I feel like I need to.

[C]

Just for you, mentally.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Personally, no.

[B]

And also for me as a. Like, I feel like if I do paranormal now, like, I'm kind of gonna get Locked into that. But if I did like more true crimey, then my next one could be like, okay, yeah, that's how I feel personally. But it's also indecision. But this family did not have indecision. They wanted to move. And it starts with a family moving into a home. A home that they thought they were going to fill with a lifetime of happiness, of joy and loving memories. But instead, this house was filled with hauntings. Evil hauntings, terror and nightmares.

[C]

Lovely. What a wonderful place to live.

[B]

Oh, and death threats from the ghosts. Yep.

[C]

Okay. I'm sure you'll get there, but I'm.

[B]

Very curious, never going to say it.

[C]

Actually how that manifests.

[B]

Yeah, okay. As some background. By all accounts, the Tallman family was a normal family from Wisconsin. Alan and Debbie had met, they fell in love, they got married and started a family. So by the time this story begins, Debbie and Alan have two children. An older son, a daughter, and then they're pregnant with a third child.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Alan Tallman was a working class man who worked long shifts in a local factory. The kind that left his hands calloused and body exhausted. So he worked really long hours, sometimes even working night shifts where he doesn't get home till 2 or 3 in the morning.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Spooky time to come home. Debbie spent time with the kids, providing a home that every child deserves. Safe, warm, filled with love. They were a typical couple who raised a typical family. And in 1986 they had outgrown their previous home and decided to buy a new house in Horicon, Wisconsin. A marsh lined town filled with working class families just like them. And I did a little bit of research of like what this area was like 1980s Horicon, Wisconsin. It was the type of place where life just moved a little bit slower. It was a lot of marshland, so a lot of like open fields, a lot of factory workers and it felt peaceful. It's like the place where neighbors, everyone knows each other's names, kids are out biking. It's also the 80s. Like you know, you just let your kids go run outside and do whatever. So to them this was a perfect place to raise their children. It was safe, predictable. Famous last words. Allen and Debbie Tallman were instantly charmed when they first laid eyes on this cream colored, single story, ranch style home on Larrabee Street. There's something serene about it. They could easily picture their kids playing on the flat, neatly cut front lawn. The kitchen was warm and inviting. Easy to imagine evenings around the dinner table swapping tales of their busy days. Doing homework and lamplight. The image of their family gathered in the living room on Christmas morning. Dozens of moments filled with laughter and smiles. This home presented a beautiful future. So they bought the house. And in April 1986, the Tallmans, 32 year old Allen, Debbie and their two children move into the home. And the home did provide lasting memories for the family, that is for sure. But they weren't the ones that they had envisioned when looking at the house. Now, I did do research, like trying to figure out the history of this house. I think at the point the Talmonds bought it, it was two years old. And it was one of those neighborhoods that people would like, buy the land, then help build their own homes, and then you own it because you helped build it. But the Tallmans moved into it two years after it had been built. Okay, so there's no bad history tied to it. The previous family that lived there experienced nothing. The land, it's land. It's all, all of our land is stolen land. So there's that. But otherwise there's no violent past. There's no prior reports of unusual activity in this neighborhood. It passed all of the inspections. It felt warm, it felt inviting. It was a very normal house in a very normal neighborhood. So they move in April of 1986, and for the first few months, like, this is a very peaceful existence. They're happy. Debbie's pregnant. Their kids are enjoying the house. It's the spring, like, what could go wrong? And like I said, they had a boy and a girl. They did a really good job of like keeping the names of the children out of the story, which I do appreciate. And I think this family cares a lot about their privacy. I don't even know if Tom is their real last name.

[C]

Oh, wow. Yeah.

[B]

But I think it is because it's written in newspaper articles. So anyway, they have an older son and a younger daughter. I think the daughter at this time is like one or two. So they're young, so five, two. And then pregnant with another daughter, they move in. And Alan Tallman does some, like, minor renovations. Painting, decorating, adding in pieces of furniture. And I think you and I both can relate. And we literally even sold our old chairs that were in our studio on Facebook Marketplace. We love Facebook Marketplace.

[C]

I sell half my house was just sold on Facebook Marketplace.

[B]

And also, like owning a home and like, furnishing a home is expensive. So finding secondhand furniture or like buying and selling on a place like Facebook Market gems. Exactly. So they don't think anything of it. And in the summer of 1986. Their daughter is getting a little bit older. She's ready for a big girl bed, and they're going to, like, use the crib and stuff for their newborn that's coming. So they're like, we're going to buy a new bed for our daughter. And what kid doesn't want bunk beds?

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

Right?

[C]

So fun.

[B]

The dream.

[C]

It is the dream.

[B]

I never got any, and my brother did. He did.

[C]

And I moved into his room when I was, like, five, because I was too.

[B]

Top or bottom?

[C]

I was the bottom. It was like the top was a twin and the bottom was a full.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

So I was actually on the. On the bottom in the full. Yeah. And I lived in Christian's room until I was 12 years old.

[B]

So they bought bunk beds. This set of bunk beds. I think they bought it for $100. And originally it would have gone for, like, $400, which is expensive back then 1980s. But they're like, this is in great condition. We're gonna bring it back to the house, and we'll just refurbish it a little bit. So they bring the bunk beds home. And the daughter was so excited, so stoked. But before Alan would let her sleep on them, he brought them down to the basement. He basically wanted to, like, make sure they were really stable, and he wanted to repaint them, kind of make them spruce them up for his daughter. That is when everything changed. The energy in the home, once light and airy, turned dark and stuffy. Strange sounds began, like doors opening or closing. But it was so small and so rare that the Tallmans really didn't think anything of it. And when things did really escalate, they start looking back, and this is, like, what they attribute as, like, the first haunting. So Alan's downstairs in the basement one day working on the bunk beds. He's doing, like, a coat of paint.

[C]

And.

[B]

And Debbie calls down, is like, hey, honey. Hi, sweetie. Dinner's ready. Like, come on up.

[C]

And so I'm sure it wasn't that nice. That woman's probably exhausted. Dinner's ready. Where's the dinner?

[B]

But so Alan puts the lid onto the paint can. Like, not fully, but he. Because he's planning to come back down after dinner to keep working, kind of places the lid on and then puts the paintbrush on, like a. A surface on the table, right? And he goes back upstairs, has dinner, enjoys his meal with his family. They all wrap up dinner. Allan heads back downstairs, and he's confused because he really does remember putting the lid on the paint can, putting the paintbrush down. But when he gets back down to the basement, the paintbrush is inside the paint can, top removed, but it's handle side in the paint.

[C]

Oh my gosh. Wait, so they didn't like the color?

[B]

Maybe he's like, okay, this is confusing. And he's like, that's weird. But it's so easy for him to write off. He just worked a really long day. Maybe he like rushed upstairs because maybe, yes, maybe Debbie did call with some urgency and like he was like, ah. Or maybe it was the third time she called and he was like, oh shit, I have to go up there. Anyway, he doesn't really think much of it. I wouldn't either. It's like you would. I'd be like, maybe I accidentally did this maybe. Or like did it slip off the.

[C]

Table or something and like fall into the paint can.

[B]

Weird.

[C]

Maybe I didn't put the lid on.

[B]

You could write it off in so many different ways. So he gets back to work, continues on with his life. They write off most of these unusual occurrences until they move the bed upstairs to the two year old daughter's bedroom that night. The hauntings begin immediately. And for the next nine months this family is continuously harassed and haunted by whatever entity this is.

[C]

Oh my gosh. Oh, I feel so bad because the kids are so young too.

[B]

So it starts night one. They bring the bunk beds up to their daughter's room. She's so excited to sleep in her brand new bed. Debbie and Alan tuck her in and.

[C]

This is probably such a big deal because like she's probably getting out of the crib. So it's like this has to go well, right?

[B]

It's like a big.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

They probably like really jazz hyped it.

[C]

Up and talking about it for a long time. Yeah, your big girl bed.

[B]

Exactly. They tuck her in, say goodnight. Then they go tuck their son in, say goodnight. And his bedroom is right next door to the sister. So it's like I don't know the exact layout of the house, but I think it's like the two year old, the five year old parents bedroom. Like that's kind of how it is.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

All I know is that the son and the daughter share a wall. So that night Debbie and Ellen go to bed, Everyone is peacefully asleep and three things happen almost like simultaneously. The two year old daughter wakes up because she feels like someone is sitting on the end of her bed. She looks and no one's there, but she feels that this poor girl. Second thing that happens in the brother's room one door over.

[C]

But the bunk beds are not where.

[B]

He does not have bunk beds. His clock radio turns on by itself. And he recalls seeing the dials being turned as if by an unseen hand. Across the hallway in Debbie and Alan's room, Alan is like half asleep. And he hears a whisper.

[C]

Alan.

[B]

But it's so faint and so quiet that he's not even sure he heard it. Not too long after hearing this, he hears his daughter crying out for him. So maybe he's like, oh, she just called my name.

[C]

And I heard a weird, like some weird in between sleep state or something, right?

[B]

But again, more excuses, more excuses. And again, it's like the daughter's crying out. He goes to check on her. She's two. She's not really able to like fully express what's happening. And again, he probably thinks like moving to a big girl bed, like this is an issue or it's stressful. And also like the baby's coming. There's a lot of new changes and stuff. He gets her back to bed, they all go to sleep. And then the next morning is when the sun tells them about the radio turning on by itself. But again, Debbie and Alan are like, this is nothing. It's like a weird little thing. But after that experience, things got worse.

[C]

And I just know that like, they were actively trying to ignore it because they probably are so tired and it's like, this can't be happening. No, we don't accept it, right?

[B]

And also these are such easy things to write off. But what happens next is not okay. So the next night, during bedtime routine, as usual, daughters hesitant to sleep in her bunk beds. Now because she says that something is in the room. Debbie and Alan try to reassure her. They thought, you know, it's the change. The new sibling, the new bed. It's a lot happening all at once. They are able to finally get her to sleep in the bed, albeit a little bit apprehensive. All the kids are in bed and Debbie and Alan retire to their own room. And yet again, shortly after falling asleep, Allan awakes to a sound.

[C]

Alan.

[B]

At first he thought it was a dream. Then he thought maybe one of the kids was calling him. So he goes to check on them. They're asleep. He's walking through the living room when he hears it again.

[C]

Alan.

[B]

Also, his kids don't call him Alan.

[C]

Yeah, like that's like your two year old.

[B]

They call him Daddy or Dada, whatever. Wait, Sorry, I was FaceTiming Noemi before I walked in here. And my sister, she's like, talk to Briby. What do you say to Briebe? And she goes, chicken butt.

[C]

You trained her so well.

[B]

What do you say to Bri? Bri, Chicken butt.

[C]

How funny. She knows that you like it, so.

[B]

She'S like, I do. I love it.

[C]

Giving you the entertainment that you want.

[B]

She loves it too. Anyway, he's hearing Alan and this time it sounded like it was coming from the garage. And I. And I think based on the picture of the house, like the garage is attached to the house, but I think they mostly would enter the house through the front door. So I don't know if there was necessarily a garage door or if there was. They didn't really use it. So he hears the sound coming from the garage. So he goes outside of the front door towards the garage and listens like, no one's in the garage. No one's there. Nothing's happening. He goes back inside, returns to his bedroom, but as he's walking through the hallway, he's like going from the living room past his daughter's bedroom. There is a freezing cold spot that he has to walk through. He like steps through it and is kind of like shivers. He's like, that's weird.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And he takes another step.

[C]

A weird vent, a draft. Like, that's so strange.

[B]

It's literally like stagnant cold air in this one spot between the living room and his daughter's bedroom. Weird, but not much.

[C]

Also weird on the ghost's part to just be standing there and let someone walk through you a bunch.

[B]

Or is it the ghost standing outside of the daughter's room? Oh. Because as Alan goes back to bed, he falls asleep. And not two hours later does he wake up to his daughter crying out, like terrified. A really horrifying terrified cry. He goes to check on her and she's crying, saying the door was opening and closing on its own. But by the time he gets there, like the door is closed or open, whatever, you know, it's not moving at all. This episode of Two Girls One Ghost is brought to you by Graza, Always fresh single origin olive oil that we are obsessed with.

[C]

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[C]

Yeah.

[B]

She tells her parents this. They tell her it's a bad dream because, like, they want to believe that. And I think they also want to allow her to fall back to sleep. It's just a bad dream. It's just a bad dream. It's okay. They don't talk about it. They don't tell their son this. They don't tell anyone this. The daughter doesn't really talk about it because I think she realizes her parents don't want to talk about it. They believe it's a child's overactive imagination.

[C]

So different than my childhood. My brother would, like, see cloaked figures walking in a circle in his room. And then the next morning, my mom would be like, oh, my God. They're like.

[B]

They're at it again.

[C]

This is what happened in Krishna's room last night. I'm like, shit.

[B]

Well, this is the moment that they stopped ignoring it because, like I said, they did not tell anyone else. A couple months later, their son calls to them in the middle of the night and says that there is a woman who's standing in fire in his room. He didn't know any of the details of what his sister had experienced. And sure, you can say maybe, like, she told him, but I think this was whatever it is. This moment is the moment that Allan and Debbie are like, oh, this is not just our daughter's overactive imagination. All of these things that are happening, we can't ignore anymore. Like, we are being haunted and there's something sinister here. They finally have to admit something is going on. They're experiencing a haunting. And once they had this mental shift, it feels like the Spirit was like haha level unlocked and got even more intense.

[C]

I just like went somewhere for a minute because I was just like, oh my. Like for a second my life kind of flashed before your eyes. Before my eyes. Because I was like, what if I have to experience something like this? Like, how, how do you.

[B]

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[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And also just like our community that's here. I feel like we've got some bad witches here.

[C]

Yeah. I was just like picturing myself like if Noah started like screaming bloody murder and like pointing or whatever, just like busting down the door. Begone. Banished. Not today, Zayden. I'm going to cut you in a little jar and keep you on my shell and laugh at you every time I walk by.

[B]

This is why spirits don't fuck with crit. This is why people know not.

[C]

That would be a funny.

[B]

This is why humans and dead don't fuck with Krin.

[C]

Well, the humans try.

[B]

Okay. So they now like mentally shift. They're like, yes, this is a haunting. Haunting gets even more intense. Whatever the spirit is, it's like it wanted to be acknowledged and now it's freak flag flies.

[C]

Getting freaky.

[B]

Getting freaky. Items started being moved. There were these cold patches that were intensified. Furniture started to shake. The bunk bed specifically would start to move on its own. They all kind of started seeing full body apparitions in the house, mostly out of the corner of their eyes. And then. Or when they were sleeping, like at the end of the bed. And the entities started to get physical. And again, I don't know if it's one or multiple, but like something was happening and getting physical and it became poltergeist activity. Doors would open and close, including the garage door. It would fully open and close by itself, which is, I don't know. There's something about a big garage door that feels more ominous.

[C]

And it's like the middle of the night. Your garage door being closed gives you this sort of sense of security. And then for it to just be.

[B]

Open and closed, open and closed.

[C]

And then also it's like, what else is it letting in? Who else could just be walking by when this happens? I don't know.

[B]

So the witch starts appearing at the end of the daughter's bed every night to the point where she no longer sleeps in there alone. So Alan is now sleeping on the floor in his daughter's bedroom to help her sleep.

[C]

He's not in the other bunk.

[B]

I think he want, like she probably wanted him Close to her. Oh, yeah. Floor over the top bunk.

[C]

Yeah, that's. That's. I was thinking, like, she was on the top bunk because, like, kids, a lot of kids want to be on the top.

[B]

Yeah, same. I would have gone top if I had a bunk bed, but I never got one.

[C]

God damn it, Aurora.

[B]

I have childhood trauma, but no bunk beds.

[C]

Hey, you got one thing.

[B]

Yeah. Woohoo. No, I also did have a good childhood. It's not all bad. So these experience also weren't just for Alan, Debbie and their family. Like, I think extended family would experience it and then neighbors would experience it. So it's like if people came over, they would experience it.

[C]

Oh, my gosh. I feel like we keep relating things back to, like, the Hinsdale house or the Smurl family, but, like, this reminds me of the Smurl family, where it's like, like, even neighbors, like, are you, like, eight houses down? You might experience the poltergeist.

[B]

Well, that's why. And I know there are a lot of qualms with Ed and Lorraine Warren, but I do appreciate the, like, way that they attempted to analyze, like, the phases of. They called it, like, the phase of possession. But, like, I do feel like this.

[C]

Is that it ends in death.

[B]

Right. There are just a lot of patterns that are similar.

[C]

Right? Yeah.

[B]

In these cases. Yeah. But so, yeah, they are now like, we need help. So they call in their pastor. And I do have questions about this, but their pastor comes in and apparently immediately walks in. He probably was given some, like, context prior to coming in, but he comes into the house and he's like. I imagine him being very dramatic.

[A]

Oh, there's evil.

[B]

And he's like, this is the work of the devil. And, like, jumps to the most extreme, scary possibility. And then he performs a blessing. He's like, ah, it will all be good. But then, of course, if anything, it made it more. I mean, that was my performance. I don't know how his blessings. I think he was probably more chill, but I feel like the words and the outcome were dramatic. Yeah. Because, yeah, he did his blessing and then it ended up intensifying the haunting more than anything, which is so frustrating.

[C]

Because it's like, this is what you're told to do. You're told to go seek the church out or whatever your belief is. Go find the healer, the shaman, like, Waldo, someone who. Waldo, go find Waldo. Someone who has, like, the power to come and do the blessing. And then, like, that's supposed to end things, or at least like, you hope heard it Enough, you know? Yeah, but it feels like in so many of these cases that actually makes things worse.

[B]

But then I also feel like there's other cases where you do practices that we've heard of or like, you know, protecting your space and like boundary setting and all of that. And it doesn't work either. Yeah, it, it is kind of. Do we even have the power to banish something like this or did it want something and we don't know. Yeah, but Pastor leaves, the hauntings intensify, and the Tallmans now believe that there's an evil entity in their home. And I feel like this fear and this like belief in it being evil probably did give it more power. And then one of the most terrifying encounters happened one night when Debbie had to take Allan to the hospital because he had a sinus infection. So they have Allan's mother, the kid's grandmother, come stay with the kids. According to Alan's mother, she woke up after like a little nap and saw a pair of red eyes peering into the window. And then after that night, everyone else started seeing these same red eyes throughout the house, staring at them. I hate that, watching them.

[C]

But it makes sense if like a fiery woman and then the red eyes.

[B]

For months, they truly didn't have a moment of peace. Visions of this witch lady in the fire plagued them. Voices called their names at all times of day. It was relentless and horrifying. And these children who were previously happy and healthy start having constant nightmares, aren't sleeping well, which is obviously impacting their health. It's really impacting like all of their well beings. And so Alan was like, I'm sick of this. He hit his boiling point. You know, when they moved into this house, they had visions of the family laughing together, opening Christmas presents and stuff under the tree. Well, Christmas turns out a little bit different.

[C]

Oh no.

[B]

It's the week of Christmas 1987, apparently. And I don't know what this encounter was, but Debbie and Alan's son had like a terrifying experience. That candle's really driven.

[C]

Oh man.

[B]

Looks kind of cool. So I'm not sure what the experience was, but basically whatever it was, Allen was sick of this shit. He was over it. He starts throwing a fit, a full on fit in the house. He's screaming kind of in the air to this entity being like, leave my children alone. Get the hell out of this house. Like, we don't want you here. You're pissing me off. I don't know what other things he's saying. I'm sure he's like ranting and raving.

[C]

Projecting a lot of energy. That yum, yum, yum. Tisdack for the demon.

[B]

And he does something that is very reminiscent of the Arne Cheyenne Johnson case.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

He tells the spirit, if the spirit wants to fight someone, to fight him.

[C]

Oh, no. I mean, yes. Good.

[B]

You're.

[C]

You're the protector of your family. But.

[B]

And the spirit.

[C]

Basically, we've heard the tale before.

[B]

Okay, sure. Great. Love it. Thank you. Will do. And three weeks later, on January 7th, it's 1988 now. Alan returns home from work again. He's working the late shift. So he gets home around 2 or 3am pulls into the driveway, parks his car, gets his little lunch pail from the day, and he starts walking into the front door. And all of a sudden, like a really weird sound starts, like, coming from the garage. It almost sounds like a tornado or like a windstorm is happening inside of the garage. And he's so confused by it. So he's like. Naturally, he's like, what is happening?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And as he's approaching the garage, he starts to hear Alan.

[C]

Alan.

[B]

But it's like his brain can't rationalize the fact that there's this wind and a name, someone calling his name inside the garage. So he goes around the side of the house and is like, is someone outside? He's like, hello, Is someone there? Hello, is someone there? No one's there. He hears it again, Alan. This time it's saying, come here. And it is without a doubt coming from inside the garage. So he's approaching the garage, got a little lunch pail in his hand.

[C]

Oh, my gosh. He's doing like, no, bitch, you come here.

[B]

And then you called me. But the garage door is closed. And as he's like getting closer to the garage, he sees those glowing red eyes appear through like, the window of the garage. And then instantly it like turns into fire. And it looks like the garage is like fully ablazing on fire. He's so confused. He's so taken aback, he literally runs to the front door, goes inside, gets inside, drops his lunch pail on the ground and stands there in shock, confused. And then he's like, holy shit. Wait, is my garage on fire?

[C]

Right? Like, was he imagining part of that? And his garage is on fire and he needs to.

[B]

And he needs to now get his family out. So he runs back outside, and garage is fine. No fire, nothing. He feels like he's losing his goddamn mind. He goes back inside, closes the front door and his lunch pail that he had Dropped. It literally picks up off the ground and gets thrown across the room. Good thing it wasn't thrown at him. Yeah.

[C]

My God, this is horrifying. I do wish when it said Allen that he had responded, guess what? And then it said, what? And then it hit.

[B]

Me too. Would have been a much more fun story.

[C]

Yeah. And then maybe the spirit would be.

[B]

Like, ha, ha ha.

[C]

Actually, great time. Great pest of buds. The end.

[B]

Merry Christmas.

[C]

Hats off to you. Push you a present. It's up to the tree and meet me under the mistletoe first.

[B]

So this is like a massive escalation. It is like, interact with him. It's tricking him. It's doing all these things. And then a few nights later, it made its intentions very, very clear. So like I said, Allen is sleeping on his daughter's floor, like, basically full time. He's just. He's sleeping there. So one night he's sleeping on the floor next to his daughter. And over this time that he had been sleeping on the floor, this mist would form, like, kind of in the corner of the bedroom. But every day would get, like, clearer and darker, and then it would get closer and closer. So on this one night, Allan is sleeping next to his daughter. And he wakes up and he sees this, like, misty blob, which is clearly like a negative entity. And it whispers very, very clearly, you're dead.

[C]

The death threat.

[B]

Fallon's horrified. He sprints out of the room, which woke his wife Debbie up. And Debbie's like, oh, my God, what's happening? Like, he cannot even speak. He's so. Yeah, he doesn't know what to do with about this. He's frazzled. He doesn't know what to do. So the next day, Debbie immediately calls the pastor and is like, we need another blessing of this house. Like, please come help. They do another blessing. Doesn't do anything. Now, there is one story that I don't know how true it is, but I'm gonna say it. Cause it's kind of crazy, but it might. It might not be true. It might be like an amalgamation of all the stories combined into, like, one incident. Because the Tallmans don't really talk about this.

[C]

Got it? Yeah.

[B]

There was a report that one night, while sleeping in his daughter's bedroom, Allen awoke to the sounds of chanting. And when he opened his eyes, he saw this, like, light glowing from within the bunk beds. And then it turned into a fire. And his daughter is sleeping there.

[C]

Right.

[B]

So he's terrified. And he, like, jumps up and goes to, like, extinguish the fire. But there's no heat emitting from this like fire looking light. And as he's like trying to get rid of it, all of a sudden it disappears.

[C]

Damn. I'm just so confused too, because it's like, I mean, I know we've heard so many stories. Not quite like this.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But in a similar vein. And it's just like, what do you want?

[B]

Right.

[C]

Like, what's the purpose?

[B]

What's your purpose?

[C]

Sometimes it's so not clear.

[B]

Like this time, it's so not clear. So then a few nights later is when the family finally hits their breaking point. It's now January 11, 1988, and Alan had to work late at night. So I think with everything going on, Debbie was just like also exhausted. So they started taking to like having family members or people come stay when Alan was working late. So they had a family member come stay this night while Alan was working late. And I think this family member was a skeptic. He didn't really. He. She. I don't know the gender. Didn't really believe in everything that was happening with this family.

[C]

Which, like, sometimes that's a good thing.

[B]

Until tonight. Because he's there. He is. I'm saying he, but I don't know. It just says family member. So this family member is there and it's not clear what happened that night, but he witnessed something very paranormal. It was like so obvious, and I think it was threatening because Debbie decides to pack everyone up. She packs her kids up and she gets out of the house and never returns. January 11, 1988. She's just like reached it. She's like, I'm over this. I'm not doing this anymore. My family's in danger. Whatever this is, is not going away.

[C]

We were kind of shocked that they didn't make the connection to the bunk beds.

[B]

So I think that they did it. It's not clear at what point they did.

[C]

Did they try to get rid of the bunk beds? Like you would think you would get rid of bunk beds before abandoning your whole home.

[B]

It is a cheaper solution, but I think they just. This house now is just tainted with horror, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So January 11, 1988, Debbie moves the family out of the house. They never live in that house again. They moved out with no plans of where they were going, what they were going to do with the house. But Debbie knew that she could, couldn't take it any longer. And if the spirit wasn't gonna get out, then she was.

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[C]

Is that that crazy, though, in comparison to, like, a fiery being that turns the garage into this story?

[B]

This next story would have been great, but, like, this is a story that starts spreading in the rumors that there was a ghost powered snowblower that cleaned the driveway by itself.

[C]

Oh, my God, I wish.

[B]

Right? So this is all to say, like, it just became a bit of a circus and everyone around town is talking about it to the point where now people are becoming looky loos. There was an article published in April of 1988 that recalled, like, this is like the week after the family moved out. So the week of January 11th, this is quoted. Ghost rumors swept through the crowd at the Friday night basketball game at the local high school. Hundreds of cars then swept down Larrabee street past the Tallman house. People walked through the yard, climbed over fences, peering into windows of all 10 houses on the street. Drunks showed up. They weren't afraid of no ghosts. They were all intent into getting into the Tallman house. To prove their bravery, police arrived and arrests were made for disorderly conduct. Hundreds of cars. This is a small street with only 10 houses.

[C]

That's crazy. And that's also, like, if the demon is still there, if this entity is still there, like, that's so much energy that it can just, like, safe enough. I know.

[B]

So meanwhile, the Talmans are hiding from the press and hiding from the hauntings, which ever since they left the house, they're not experiencing anything. Great, right?

[C]

That's awesome.

[B]

So now this is, like a full week free of hauntings. But they also, like, don't really know what they're doing with the house. They're trying to figure it out with, like, the loan that they have.

[C]

It's also, like, their stuff. Like, what stuff can they take?

[B]

Right. So then also now the police are getting involved because all these kids are coming to the house, which is destruction of property, and, like, the neighbors are calling, whatever. So the police come and talk to the Talman family. And again, it's not clear, like, what happened, but based on their conversation, the police even believed the Tallmans and were, like, very intent on protecting them. I don't know what exactly happened in, like, the next Couple of weeks. But I think the police basically convince Alan and Debbie to. To speak to one news outlet so that they can get the story straight in the media so that the rumors kind of stop. So they met with journalist James B. Nelson from the Milwaukee Sentinel, who was very much more interested in writing a story about a troubled family than a ghost story, which.

[C]

Oh, that's so unfair to them.

[B]

No, that's good.

[C]

Well, define troubled.

[B]

No, it's better than like, like a making up a rumored ghost story. Like he's.

[C]

Are you saying that there but like, is he painting like this family?

[B]

The family was plagued.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, basically, like before, all the time.

[C]

I was thinking like, oh, this family's dissolving. Oh, no, people are, you know, losing. No, I think I thought it was more slanderous.

[B]

No, the point is, like, everything prior to this was rumor based and like, all about, like, making a good ghost story, whereas this guy is like, no, no. Like, I want to write about, like, impact on this family and how they're being troubled by what's happening.

[C]

Okay, that makes sense.

[B]

And so because of this article, things did seem to settle down, but then it. We're left wondering what happened to the hauntings? What happened to the bunk bed? What happened to the Tallman family? So there was a follow up article written in February of 1988 that stated the house was up for sale, apparitions and all. So now it's become famous for hauntings, and that the bunk beds had been taken to a private landfill in the area, were destroyed and buried. Wow. So Debbie was quoted saying the beds were buried Saturday in a landfill where nobody will ever build. They took them out there and plowed them under and it's like undisclosed location. They don't want anyone to have access to these. They don't want anyone to ever build property on top of this land just in case the beds now, like, are emitting this haunting on that land. The Tallmans then moved to a nearby town and never experienced another haunting. But their experiences in the house did long haunt them. Even Debbie said In this like February 1988 article, I think it's going to be a long time before things get back to normal. I still cannot sit at home at night and not be afraid of the dark.

[C]

That makes me so sad.

[B]

So they had originally bought the house and it had a market value of like $50,400. They took a loss of like $3,000 in the sale, but they were like, that's worth it for us. We need to get out of here.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Then this is where things get a little interesting. Well, it's already interesting. But sometime after the move, the story reached the producers of Unsolved Mysteries. And I don't know how, but somehow they were able to feature the Haunting and the Tallman story. In October of 1988 on Unsolved Mysteries, Season 3, Episode 13, the dramatizations that unsolved mystery filmed were actually filmed inside the actual house.

[C]

That is very cool.

[B]

But this episode has become one of the most popular episodes in history, but it is now considered a missing segment because.

[C]

Wait, what do you mean?

[B]

Not in, like, a mystery way. In a. The producers or the legal team of Unsolved Mysteries. Somewhere between the DVD release and am because now you can watch them all on Amazon Prime. They removed that segment, so you can't watch it on Amazon Prime. I think there was a Reddit forum with the producers of the show, like, asking, why is this segment missing? Or why did you pull this one? Right.

[C]

Did they pull a bunch or was it just this?

[B]

No, there's a bunch. Okay. There's like a whole. You can look up, like, all the missing segments. There's like a whole bunch of them.

[C]

I don't understand why any of them would be pulled.

[B]

Well, I'll tell you, I looked it up, and there are a few reasons that it could happen. Family and law enforcement requests, issues of rights or statutes of limitations, which, I mean, that makes me think that they basically signed a deal with whoever the story is about that they could have rights to the story, 10 years or whatever.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then. So, like, they can no longer have it. But I think with this one, the response as to why it was no longer or why it's a missing episode, I think was something about respecting the family. So I think the family didn't want it to be.

[C]

Oh, interesting.

[B]

Like I said, they were really, like, they. They've denied a lot of money. They've turned down, like, opportunities to turn this into.

[C]

They weren't involved in the Unsolved Mysteries.

[B]

They were. And I think they probably later regretted it.

[C]

Okay. Yeah.

[B]

But you can watch the segment on YouTube. We'll put the link in the show notes. And originally, the Talman family only agreed to do it if the names of their children were left out. They're, like, where they ended up going and all. And their faces were blurred out. It's also the 1980s. Like, you're not thinking about Facebook. You're not thinking about how easy it is to now find people.

[C]

To find people.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But also, I feel like in Their defense. Now, there's. I mean, we also sit in a unique spot where, like, I feel like there's a lot more acceptance with the paranormal and people outwardly talk about it like celebrities. There's all these shows, random interviews on the red carpet. Someone will be like, oh, my God, my hotel was haunted. Like, my perception is that people are a lot more open with sharing and that it's way less of, like, a weird faux pas thing. Which maybe in the 80s, it still was, like, strange.

[B]

Yeah. I did read this thing where there was, like, an article, and at the bottom, like, you know how people can comment on articles on websites? Someone was like, I worked with the Tallmans, and the day I was hired, I was told to never, ever, ever bring up the paranormal with Mr. Tallman. And I'm like, okay, well, one, is that true? And two, what does that even mean? Yeah, like trauma, too.

[C]

That's exactly what I was going to say. Like a traumatizing experience. Like, you wouldn't be, you know, someone's brother gets murdered, you're not going to be like, oh, by the way, first day on the job, just make sure you don't ask about, like, hey, so your murdered brother.

[B]

Right?

[C]

Like, that's so inappropriate. It's a really hard time for someone. So I understand that if it was like, yeah, that is a really awful, traumatic thing that happened to their family. So they don't talk about it.

[B]

But other people use this as an argument to say that the Talmans made the whole thing up.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

But I don't think they did. But the question is, was it the bunk bed? Because I read something that a haunting actually happened way before the bunk beds ever came into the house.

[C]

In the house.

[B]

In the house. So apparently shortly after.

[C]

Before this family.

[B]

Or for this family? No, for this family.

[C]

Oh, shit.

[B]

So shortly after moving into the house, apparently Debbie and Alan had left their son under the care of a babysitter for just, like, a couple hours, Right. And the babysitter, when they came home, told them of, like, a weird occurrence. Like, they were sitting in the kitchen, and one of the tables or one of the chairs in the kitchen started to move on its own. Like, truly, she said it rocked along the floor, bounced a few times, and then stopped. And then even the sun confirmed this. Like, they both saw it. But that was the only thing that happened from. They moved in April of 1986 until, like, the summer. So they didn't connect it.

[C]

It's also hard because it's like, I feel like there's so many Spirits that can pass through, but that's also a very.

[B]

It feels similar.

[C]

Like. Yeah. The energy that's put forward, and it's the furniture. Furniture. It's strong.

[B]

So we don't know. But all we do know is that ever since moving and ever since destroying the bunk beds, the Tallman family has not experienced a haunting, at least that they've shared. And the family who moved into the house also never experienced anything in the house.

[C]

Damn.

[B]

So it wasn't. It doesn't seem like it was the house. Maybe it was the Tallmans and the bunk bed.

[C]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know either.

[B]

I know it's scary, though.

[C]

It makes me wonder if there was something attached to the bunk bed that, like, either, like, got in a fight with the spirit in the house.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Or just, like, reminded this spirit that was, like, lingering or entity waiting for a time to strike. It just, like, triggered it in a way.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Cause, like, why would it just immediately just, like, voom. Full throttle. As soon as the bunk beds are.

[B]

Put into the bedroom, though, Specifically. Yeah. I don't know. And then I wish we could find out, like, who they bought the bunk beds from. Like, the history of that. Because, like, my rational brain wants to trace it back and then ask that family, like, what did you experience? Why did you get rid of this?

[C]

That's what I was thinking. Like, can you call the antique store? Can you message the person on Facebook Marketplace? Like, can't.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Can you track down however you acquired your seemingly haunted antique and ask.

[B]

Right? Like, could you imagine the untold story where it's this family who sold the bunk beds to the Tallmans? Maybe they never experienced anything. Or maybe there was, like, a weird fire incident. Like, their kid was like a little fire setter. Pyro kid.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And they were like, okay, you're losing your bunk beds. They sell them, move on with their life, and then a couple of months later, they read these papers all about this haunted bunk bed, and they know that they're the ones who sold it, but they never tell anyone. Cause why would you.

[C]

Damn. This is not the same at all. But that just reminded me of when. When I was little and I went to an Easter egg hunt in our town.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I was like, maybe, like, seven. There's a little toddler. Couldn't keep up, had no eggs, so I gave some of my eggs to the toddler. And then that was the end of the toddlers Easter egg hunt. Then, like, next week in the newspaper, there was a report, like, kind of Describing me because they didn't know who I was and how kind I was to give their child eggs. And I had given away an egg that was a winner to, like, a giant basket, but I didn't know. I'm glad they won. But, like, still in me, there's part of, like, my childhood that's like, I can't believe I gave away my prize. Like, I tried to do a good deed.

[B]

And then you lost.

[C]

And then I lost. I became a loser.

[B]

But you also could have never known that, and you would have been fine.

[C]

Yes, but because they.

[B]

Because you knew, like, man, keep it to yourself.

[C]

If you. If you.

[B]

That's what they say about the lottery.

[C]

I still think about it. And I'm in my 30s. I never won an Easter basket. Every single year, except for the one year I gave away my winning egg.

[B]

I'm going to allow you to win a beautiful Easter basket.

[C]

Thanks.

[B]

It's going to be filled with toys for seven years.

[C]

Easter basket was, like, something that I needed.

[B]

It was probably, like, candy lotion.

[C]

And, like, it was like.

[B]

I do have that problem, though. Like, I. I love getting gifts and I love giving gifts, but I also don't need anything.

[C]

Yeah. I want to gift, like, experiences to people or even, like, gift them a dinner at a restaurant or like, something that can, like, still be enjoyed on someone else. But then part of me is like, well, does that feel too impersonal to be like, here's a gift card, or.

[B]

It just depends on the person, too. What does that person want? That's what I love doing, is learning what type of gifts people like. Yeah.

[C]

Okay. I have a listener story.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

It's called I was a creepy kid.

[B]

Love it.

[C]

Hey, ghosty girlies. I have a few stories for you today about how I was a creepy kid. I meant to send this way back when Corinne was pregnant with Noah, but I have wild ADHD and I forgot. But now I'm on meds. Woo.

[A]

Woo.

[C]

And your most recent episode covering creepy kids reminded me to send this. So let's get into it. First off, my sister and I were apparently both creepy kids. Either that or something like to possess us at night.

[B]

Oh, no, my mom had. Both are terrifying, right?

[C]

Well, I guess, like, that would be kind of the same. Yeah. I think I'd rather be possessed, but.

[B]

I'd rather a creepy kid that sees things than a kid being possessed for the sake of the kid.

[C]

Oh, yeah, definitely. My mom had a major fear of my sister and I being too cold while we slept at night. So before we Went to bed, she would come in and make sure all of our covers were pulled up so we didn't need any more blankets. My sister is five years older than me, so she started doing this in her sleep first. Anytime my mom would step into her room, my sister would sit straight up in bed and look at her. Not blinking, not saying anything, just watching her as she moved to my sister's bedside to try to tuck her in. Ugh. As soon as my mom would go back towards the door, my sister would just lay back down and go to sleep like nothing happened. And she never had a recollection of doing this.

[B]

It's so weird because you know that her mom for sure tried to, like, say something and be like, oh, my God. And she just stared, right?

[C]

You're, like, kind of scared of your kid, but, like, you're not supposed to be, right?

[B]

And you're also trying to tuck them in. You're like, okay, good night.

[C]

And then I started doing this too.

[B]

Oh, geez.

[C]

My mom always said that she was a little creeped out, but didn't really think too much into it. She thought maybe we were just sleep talking or walking until I really creeped.

[B]

Her out one night. Oh, no.

[C]

At this point, I had bunk beds. I turned the bunk bed into a loft bed. So I was on the top bunk and she came over to make sure my blankets were up and covering me. As soon as she went up the ladder one rung to check on me, I sprung up, sitting straight up with a giant smile on my face. And I enthusiastically said, I want a hug.

[B]

I want a hug.

[C]

Yeah, but like, they wrote like, demon. Oh. Demonic voice.

[B]

Terrifying.

[C]

I went to hug.

[B]

Demons want hugs too. That's all they ever want.

[C]

My mom says she's never been so creeped out. She shoved me back down to lay down, and then she got the out of my room before I could do anything else. Creepy. We finally grew out of this as we got older, but my mom said that that moment with me was what made her want to stop checking on me at night.

[B]

I don't blame her.

[C]

And then she writes hard. Jump to the next stories. Both my grandpas passed away when I was pretty young, so I don't really remember much of them, but they seem to be able to get my attention in their afterlife pretty easily. The night after my paternal grandpa's funeral, we were staying at my Lola Tagalog for grandma at my Lola's. And I swear I heard him come home that night.

[B]

Aww.

[C]

My Lola's house has always kind of freaked me out for some reason and I never really could sleep very well there. I remember hearing the front door open, the sound of his work boots, very distinctive sound and no one else wears them in our family. In the front entry. Followed by softer, more cushioned footsteps walking through the house and then up the stairs. Almost as if he had taken off his shoes by the front door and was walking to go to bed. Filipino households don't play about having shoes on in the house. They have to come off at the door or by the front door. So I told my parents once it was morning and I told them that I thought I heard him the night before. My dad said, oh, I must have just been hearing things. But to not say anything to my Lola because she was very religious, she's very Catholic and hearing this would probably freak her out. She came down for coffee that morning and said lolo, Grandpa was in her dreams last night.

[B]

Grandma said this?

[C]

Yeah. Did I actually hear him coming to say his goodbye?

[B]

For sure.

[C]

Fast forward to when I was about 12 years old. I was visiting the other side of the family in Oregon for the summer and my aunt took me and my older cousin to a beach town for the weekend. My grandpa on that side had passed over about seven or eight years ago by this point. I was maybe four years old when he passed and my aunt had mentioned that this town was one of grandpa's favorite places to visit. So we decided to go honor him that night and play a round of cribbage, his favorite game in one of these towns. As we replace. Everything was fine and normal until we went to bed that night. My aunt and I were in one bed while my cousin was in the other and there were two reclining chairs near the window next to where I was sleeping. My aunt woke up in the middle of the night to me sitting on one of the reclining chairs, playing with a foot lever and talking. She thought I was just sleepwalking until she heard what I was saying.

[B]

What was she saying?

[C]

Apparently I was having a full on conversation about golf, martinis, board games, martinis, all my grandpa's favorite things. I know nothing about golf still to this day, and I was 12, I had no clue what a martini was. Although now they're my drink of choice. At 25, my aunt was convinced that I was talking to my grandpa as I was talking to him about golf and about him golfing with his friends that I don't know nor have I ever met.

[B]

Damn.

[C]

She finally asked me what I was doing and I remember waking up and mid sentence, I was, like, very confused as to how I got out of bed.

[B]

Oh, so you were, like, full on Sleepwalking.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Damn.

[C]

Did my subconscious make me dream while sleepwalking that I was with my grandpa because we had mentioned him earlier that day, or was he having a conversation with me in the reclining chairs? I don't know, but we haven't been back to that hotel since, so. Yeah, those are my creepy kids stories. Love the podcast. Keep up the spooky work, Peyton.

[B]

She her damn Peyton, you are. I mean, being 12 and having that experience, like, I feel like that proves that Peyton's, like, connected to the other side far beyond. Just, like, early childhood.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I do believe, like, she was in, like, a sleep state when talking to the grandfather, but it was paranormal, like she was talking to him.

[C]

Yeah, it seems that way, which also.

[B]

Makes me sad that she doesn't, like, remember it.

[C]

Yeah. But, like, sometimes it's not the memory's not for her. It's for, like, the people who really.

[B]

Her family, who's not spent a lot.

[C]

Of time with the grandpas and, like, needed that reminder, needed that confirmation.

[B]

Damn.

[C]

Sometimes you're just a conduit for your.

[B]

Relatives, and sometimes you buy haunted bunk beds, and there's no reason, no rhyme, just run.

[C]

Bunk beds are just inherently creepy, too, because, like, just picturing, like, Peyton's mom having to crawl up the ladder just to, like, check on her, and then I want to hug.

[B]

And also, there's something about bunk beds that remind me of, like, summer camp. And, like, camp is creepy. There's just, like, a lot of ties.

[C]

There's big spiders in the cabins, and then you're on the top bunk. You're closest to the sp spider that's on the ceiling. Hell, no.

[B]

No. Thanks anyway. Yes, thanks. Yes. Please, to your ghost stories. Please email them to us@2girls1ghost podcastmail.com and let us know how you like to get gifts nowadays in your life if.

[C]

You have gift ideas.

[B]

Yeah, let us.

[C]

Like, what are you buying, people? Give us some ideas.

[B]

We'll create a Two Girls One Goes. It's a gift guide based on what you give us.

[C]

Yeah, you're right. And that list exists just in the comments on this episode. This episode.

[B]

Maybe someone will put it together. I don't know.

[C]

No, but true ideas are welcome.

[B]

Yes. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much to our editor and producer, Jamie Ryan. And thank you to our producer, Emma La Venter. We could not do this podcast or this business without all of the help. And we also couldn't do it without all of you.

[C]

We love you and we will see you on the other side.

[B]

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[B]

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