Episode 358 - The Philadelphia Experiment

Summary

Two Girls One Ghost – Episode 358: The Philadelphia Experiment

Hosts: Corinne Vien & Sabrina Deana-Roga
Date: February 1, 2026
Episode Theme:
A deep dive into the legend and conspiracy of the Philadelphia Experiment—an alleged WWII-era military experiment that sparked enduring rumors of teleportation, invisibility, time travel, and government cover-ups. The hosts connect this mystery to last week’s Montauk Project episode, unraveling how the two controversial stories intertwine, and they share a listener-submitted “time slip” experience straight from the backroads of Arkansas.

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Episode Overview

Corinne and Sabrina explore the Philadelphia Experiment, a staple in conspiracy theory and paranormal lore. They detail its alleged events, theories about government secrecy, and its cultural legacy. With signature humor and skepticism, they analyze the credibility and origins of the story, examine interconnected conspiracies, and reflect on what it says about our fascination with the unknown.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage: Catching Up and Parallels to Other Mysteries

• The hosts open discussing other true crime and paranormal podcasts, segues into media obsessions and the emotional toll of good storytelling.
• They directly reference their previous episode about the Montauk Project and tease today’s Philadelphia Experiment as part of a two-part conspiracy series.
  • “This is almost like a weird one because it’s like I’m the prequel now.” – Corinne [07:29]

2. The Philadelphia Experiment: The Alleged Events

Timeline Recap:

• 1943, WWII: The U.S. Navy’s USS Eldridge allegedly vanishes from the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard, reappearing hundreds of miles away (Norfolk, VA) before re-materializing back in place.
  • “It's about a man who maybe was losing his mind, a government who was definitely playing with fire, and a literal rip in time that supposedly leads right back to Montauk.” – Corinne [08:12]

Experiment Details:

• Officially called “Project Rainbow,” the US aimed to create military invisibility, wrapping the Eldridge in copper coils and activating massive electrical generators to bend light, rendering the ship “cloaked.”
  • “I’m sorry. They’re trying to make their ship invisible.” – Sabrina [11:26]
• First test (July 1943):
  • The ship disappears in a pea-green fog; returns moments later with crew nauseated and disoriented but largely unharmed.
  • “The hope is that the large electrical generators … would bend light … making it appear invisible.” – Corinne [12:18]
• Second test (October 1943):
  • More dramatic: A blue-green flash, complete disappearance—no depression remains in the water.
  • The Eldridge is sighted in Norfolk by another ship’s crew; the sailors appear in distress.
  • Rematerializes back in Philadelphia—but with horrifying consequences:
    • Some sailors fused into the ship's hull and deck, others dead or permanently traumatized.
    • “Some of the sailors had their arms growing out of the steel hull. Some had like a torso coming out of the deck.” – Corinne [19:14]

3. Conspiracy Expansion: The Aftermath and How the Story Spread

• The program is allegedly shut down after the disastrous test (“…the program and the testing was shut down. Or so the conspiracy goes.” – Corinne [20:10]).
• The legend emerges from mysterious annotated UFO research books, government correspondence, and individuals like Carl Allen (aka Carlos Allende).

Notable Figure: Carl Allen (Carlos Allende):

• Sent annotated copies of a UFO book by Morris Jessup to the Office of Naval Research and to Jessup himself.
• The annotations discuss alien tech, link closely to the Philadelphia Experiment, and appear to be written by three different “beings”—though Allen later claims to be the sole author.
  • “It’s believed that the people who were commenting in these margins were not people at all. They were alien visitors. Alien refugees.” – Corinne [25:52]
• The Navy investigates, trying to determine whether Allen is a foreign agent.

4. Montauk Connection: Time Travel, Memory Erasure, and Stranger Things

• The Montauk Project, covered in the prior episode, is suspected to have intersected with the Philadelphia Experiment through a rift in time.
• Notably, 1980s witness Al Bielik claims to be a repressed “Edward Cameron,” a sailor on the Eldridge, who jumps through a wormhole from 1943 into Montauk, NY in 1983.
  • “He jumped off the ship … fell through a wormhole, and he landed in 1983 in Montauk, Long Island.” – Corinne [36:05]
• The hosts muse on whether time itself was fractured and whether knowledge or control was exchanged backwards through time.

5. The Skeptics’ Case: Hoax or Government Cover-Up?

• Major evidence hinges on Carl Allen, whose mental stability was questioned; later described as brilliant but delusional.
• Official Navy logbooks purportedly prove the Eldridge was elsewhere at the time, but hosts point out documents may have been falsified.
  • “But again, it’s like, how easy, especially back in, like, the 1940s, to fake documents? Nothing’s online. Nothing’s, like, dated digitally.” – Sabrina [33:52]
• Office of Naval Research didn’t exist until 1946; Project Rainbow doesn’t appear in records.
• Hosts discuss the persistent plausibility of government secrecy, declassified projects, and conspiracies within conspiracies.

6. Philosophy & Reflection: Why Are We Drawn to These Stories?

• The hosts honestly debate whether such an experiment is possible and the fallibility of “official” records.
  • “Who are we to say anything could happen? Who are we to say we don’t know enough?” – Sabrina [45:17]
• Corinne admits, “I don’t not believe in anything… Anything could happen.” [45:11]
• The conversation connects popular culture, skepticism, and personal beliefs about government/military secrets and fringe science.

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7. Listener Story: A Time Slip at the Backrooms Gas Station

[46:11 – 55:30]

Anonymous Listener ("Mr. A") recounts a chilling rest stop experience:

• Driving through rural Arkansas at 3–4am, they stop at a bizarre, oversized log cabin gas station described as unsettling and “backrooms”-like.
• The bathroom layout is labyrinthine, with nonsensical walls and more stalls than should fit in the building.
• Snacks and goods are dusty and untouched; the sole attendant is oddly calm.
• After returning to the car, camera roll and credit card data don’t match reality: Snapchats are timestamped “backwards,” and the credit card was never charged—hinting at a timeline glitch or alternate universe.
  • “It’s almost like that stop never happened.” – Corinne [54:19]
• The hosts trade theories and debate whether the strange stop was a time slip, alternate reality, or government simulation.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “But this story is more than just a disappearing ship. It’s about a man who maybe was losing his mind, a government who was definitely playing with fire, and a literal rip in time that supposedly leads right back to Montauk. It’s wild. So wild.” – Corinne [08:12]
• “Some of the sailors had their arms growing out of the steel hull. Some had like a torso coming out of the deck...still alive, screaming in agony.” – Corinne [19:14]
• “It’s believed that the people who were commenting in these margins were not people at all. They were alien visitors. Alien refugees.” – Corinne [25:52]
• “I don’t not believe in anything, I guess, is the thing, okay. Where it’s like, anything could happen.” – Corinne [45:11]
• “Who are we to say we don’t know enough?” – Sabrina [45:17]

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Important Timestamps

• 03:09 – Hosts introduce the episode, reference previous Montauk Project and “Stranger Things”
• 07:12 – How the Philadelphia Experiment connects to Montauk; diving into the lore
• 11:26 – Explaining “Project Rainbow” and the ship invisibility experiment
• 15:49 – The October 1943 test, major consequences for crew
• 19:14 – Details of “molecular interference” and fused bodies
• 23:13 – Origins: Carl Allen, Morris Jessup, the annotated UFO book
• 36:05 – Al Bielik’s “wormhole jump” connects 1943 to 1983 Montauk
• 46:11 – Listener time-slip story (“Mr. A” and the backrooms gas station)
• 55:30 – Reflections and community invites for listener stories

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Tone and Style

• Engaging, skeptical dialog with moments of dark humor
• Alternately serious and curious, with references to pop culture (“Stranger Things,” “Doctor Strange”) and real-world plausible science
• Encouraging listeners to keep open minds and question official narratives

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Final Thoughts

This episode offers a comprehensive, thoughtful, and irreverent exploration of the Philadelphia Experiment and its unlikely ties to other enduring conspiracies. The hosts provide ample context for newcomers, blend storytelling with research and skepticism, and close the episode by fostering community participation through shared listener encounters.

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Next Up:
More listener stories and continued dives into the paranormal, glitches-in-the-matrix, and government secrets—proving there’s always something strange waiting in the shadows.
“We love you and we will see you on the other side.” – [56:32]

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[A]

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[A]

What? Blame me?

[B]

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This is how I feel when we do heartwarming stories. Oh my God. I watched episode one. I know. I was just mad at you for watching the whole thing by yourself, but I watched episode one and two, but I was doing my paint by numbers and I was like, no, I need to give it my full attention. Plus the. A lot of Russian. Oh my gosh.

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Yeah. Tears are falling down.

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Anywho, last week we left.

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Anywho, last week we left you on.

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A little bit of a cliffhanger. Yeah. You sent me down a rabbit hole because I had no intention originally on researching this. And then you were like, the Montauk Experiment has a lot to do with the Philadelphia Experiment. So you should look into the Philadelphia Experiment.

[A]

A little handoff, two parter episode situation.

[B]

But this is almost like a weird one because it's like I'm the prequel now.

[A]

Right. But based on timelines. Is it all happening at once?

[B]

Anyway, it's very Stranger Things, which makes sense with the whole Montauk Experiment influencing. Inspiring the story of Stranger Things.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Alrighty, let us begin. It is 1943, World War II. The U.S. navy's USS Eldridge, a cannon class destroyer escort warship loaded with sailors, suddenly vanished into thin air. Moments later, the ship reappeared miles away in Norfolk, Virginia. Those on board, injured, disoriented. Some were said to be completely missing.

[A]

Terrifying.

[B]

But this story is more than just a disappearing ship. It's about a man who maybe was losing his mind, a government who was definitely playing with fire, and a literal rip in time that supposedly leads right back to Montauk. It's wild. So wild. I'm actually upset that there's not more information on this because it's actually kind of a short blurb.

[A]

Well, I think it's one of those. And I don't know all the details of the Philadelphia experiment, but very similar to the Montauk project. It's like, where's the hard evidence? And the lack of it makes it one of those things where it's like a little lot of, like, conjecture.

[B]

There's essentially no hard evidence. But it's also tough because you're talking about. This is why conspiracy theories are so easy to get into, especially when it involves, like, the government or secret testing or whatever, because they're like, oh, well, there's no record of the ship. Like, the ship was logged in a different port at this time. And it's like, well, how easy is it just to write on a piece of paper that the ship was somewhere else?

[A]

Right?

[B]

As if that doesn't happen every single day.

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Cover up.

[B]

It's a lie.

[A]

They're lying to us.

[B]

They're lying and we're telling you the truth.

[A]

Also, the way you described that, just like the little intro made me really badly want to play the game of Battleship and hear that sound like destroyer sunk.

[B]

That is the heart racing when someone's getting way too close to your ship.

[A]

I have seen people do it with. They'll be eating sushi, but they put like a board in between them and you make like, sushi ships.

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You get to eat your sushi.

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That's such a good version. Yeah, I love that. All right, back to the story. The world is in year 1943, so the height of World War II. And the U.S. navy is very desperate for an edge against Nazi Germany. Sailors are working on their ship, the USS Eldridge, which is docked at the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard. So we're in Pennsylvania here. The ship is wrapped in these massive copper coils. And this is, like, part of. There's like, almost like two versions of the story here. And one involves which I'm like, not going to get into like this version of the conspiracy where part of the testing was said to be like, there's some sort of like, theory on gravity and Einstein and all these like magnetic things within the ocean and blah, blah, blah, and like manipulating them. I'm not going to get into that part because I quite literally couldn't comprehend it. So I don't want to butcher it.

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Confession only passed physics because the German exchange student sat in front of me and I copied her answers.

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Thank you. Physics.

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Did you have to. Was it required?

[A]

Yes, I believe so. And my teacher was so cool. Like, literally his classroom was a like one of those domes so he could like project the stars on it and he did really cool experiments, but my brain just could not comprehend it.

[B]

Yeah, it's hard. It is hard. So sailors are working on the USS Eldridge. The ship is wrapped in these massive copper coils and this is basically like a new technology that's being tested to help fight in World War II. And it's to not just get better sonar or like an understanding of like where their ship is in space, but the Navy's actually looking for a cloak of invisibility.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[B]

They're trying to make their ship invisible. And this is called Project Rainbow. It's July now of 1943, and the sailors working on this ship in the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard are working on a seemingly normal day. Except this day there's going to be some testing going on this ship which has been prepared to be actively experimented on with this new technology. They're going to test the piece of technology that would hopefully make the ship naked or naked, strip him of his clothes, to the naked eye would make it invisible. So they're not trying to make the ship like vanish and dematerialize. It's truly like a cloaking mechanism. So the copper wires are wrapped around the ship. There's a strange smell in the air that starts to come with it. I'm sure the copper is contributing to that.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

And the hope is that the large electrical generators that they have around are going to work with the coil to bend light and the light can be refracted around the ship, making it appear. It's like an optical illusion. So making it appear invisible because the light is like refracting around it and creating this sort of cloak.

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Interesting. Okay. Can I propose a better way to do this?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Make a ship that is completely made out of double sided window or like one sided window glass?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So that it reflects the ocean and the surroundings but we can see out.

[B]

Yeah. Like the aviators that we all wear in the summer. Yeah, That's a great idea. Way better than I thought you were going to say, paint the ship to.

[A]

Make it look like the ocean.

[B]

It's like a cloudy day and it's painted as sunny. And you're like, why is there a blip of sunny sky coming through? No, but that's a great idea.

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Thank you.

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Probably expensive.

[A]

Yeah. And.

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And probably way breakable. Yeah. Either way, they weren't thinking this. They were thinking, like, so far beyond.

[A]

Our cloaking, they were thinking smarter.

[B]

Yeah. So on this day, things are a little bit different because they're going to turn all the technology on and hope that this light refraction theory actually works. So there are men on the ship, there are sailors, crew members on the ship at the time that this happens. And for the first time since attempting to manipulate the ship's visibility, the USS Eldritch disappears. A pea green fog appeared out of nowhere in the place of where the ship was. And if you looked down, I guess at this point, I think there are some pictures where, like, the ship is actually, like, lifted up. But apparently for this experiment, it was like, sitting in the water, docked, and where the hull would be. You couldn't see the ship, but you could see that the water was compressed. So it's like as if the ship was. There was a dent there. So the ship was sitting there, but in place of it was just a green fog and you couldn't see the ship at all.

[A]

Which makes me wonder how that's connected to the green plash that people say happens when the sun sets.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Is there some conspiracy, another conspiracy there?

[B]

But again, it has to do with light. So perhaps a moment or two passes and then the ship returns exactly as it was before. Holy shit. The experiment worked, or seems to have worked. Right. In a way, Green fog is still.

[A]

You know, something, but you could think of could be like a weird seaweed thing or dead carcass.

[B]

The seaweed's breathing and the breath is gross. So the crew members that were on board were mostly unscathed, but they were a little bit confused. And everyone kind of reported, like, an intense nausea that came with it. So exactly what happened in those moments weren't really known because the people on board, it wasn't like they went somewhere else or had any memory of what was going on. It was just like a couple seconds pass, they come back, oh, God, we feel terrible. Testing has to continue. Right. Like, they had some success. And also time is of the essence. There's the threat of Nazi Germany looming over everyone. So they're like, let's get this thing going. Let's perfect it so we can actually take this ship or this technology and apply it to all of the US fleet. How incredible. If you just got to, like, work under, like, in an invisible cloak.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That's literally what people are working on all the time with airplanes. And just like the different technology where it's like.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You reflect the technology that's supposed to.

[A]

It's a great military tactic.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

I wish there were zero wars, but people are evil. Yeah.

[B]

October 1943. So it's just a few months later, the final test. Similar to before, the USS Eldridge is docked at the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard. Crew members are on board. The invisibility technology is turned on, and the USS Eldridge is expected once more to disappear or cloak itself. And it does, just like it did in July. Only this time there's not green fog, rather, there's a flash of a blue green light.

[A]

Well, I'm curious, so what changed between July and October? Like, did they, like, enhance the technology? Were they trying to get rid of that green fog? Like, did something change?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Probably.

[B]

And similar to Montauk experiment, anyone who worked on it probably doesn't remember. So the ship vanished within this blue green light. And there was no depression in the water, so it didn't appear like the ship was there, just not visible. The ship was gone completely.

[A]

Which, if you're working on this project, you're probably like, oh, my gosh, we did it. Like, how amazing, right? You can't see it at all for a second.

[B]

What you're not assuming is that the ship appears 200 miles away. In that moment in Norfolk, Virginia, men aboard the ship, SS Andrew Forusseth, notice a bright flash of green blue. And when they look over, suddenly having appeared out of absolutely nowhere is this giant warship, the USS Eldritch. The men on the SS Andrew Fursith are staring. They're confused. They're like, what in the hell is going on? And they see this ship. It seems like anyone who's on board is like, there's some sort of commotion. But before anyone could react to try to possibly help the sailors that appeared to be in distress on the USS Eldridge, the ship disappears again.

[A]

What?

[B]

It then rematerialized back in its original spot in the port in the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard. Only this time, things are gravely different. In July, the crew members just were a little bit confused and felt super nauseous this time in October, the ship and crew members had dematerialized, rematerialized 200 miles away, dematerialized again and rematerialized exactly where they had been before.

[A]

Yeah. If you've watched the fly, you know, it doesn't always work out. When you come back together, you look a little different.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Have you seen the fly?

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh, it's sick.

[B]

What is it?

[A]

It's basically this guy who thinks he invents like a teleportation machine and he kind of does, but a fly goes in the machine with him. And so when he rematerializes, he like his DNA is part fly. Okay.

[B]

That's like literally exactly what happens here, basically.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. So the ship, because they teleported.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like seemingly to do that, your atoms have to come apart and go back together. The crew is not okay. They basically were like vaporized for a moment. So some people do appear. Okay. They're like full bodied people walking around super disoriented. People were describing it as like, it seemed like they had the bends and couldn't come out of it. But the most horrific detail similar to what you were just talking about with the fly is that men were fused with the ship. So because the atoms of the ship and the atoms of the people on board all dematerialized at the same time, things got mixed up. And when it rematerialized, some of the sailors had their arms growing out of the steel hull. Some had like a torso coming out of the deck.

[A]

It was all very Davy Jones.

[B]

Yes. And like they were just basically fused and had body parts missing and still alive, screaming in agony.

[A]

That is horrifying.

[B]

Some people, I think, were definitely dead.

[A]

Yeah, I was gonna say.

[B]

And so this is referred to within this conspiracy as molecular interference, which is a really nice way of saying people were like sliced in half and fused to the.

[A]

To the ship.

[B]

Physical ship. Yes. So the men who were walking around who kind of like appeared to be super disoriented and out of it, they never recovered. It was like their minds were completely jumbled. It was just mashed potato in there. Right. Nothing, no recovery could happen.

[A]

Like the worst version of a lobotomy.

[B]

Exactly. Absolutely horrific. Such a nightmare. And after this incident, because it was so terrible and like, clearly they had no idea what they were actually messing with the program and the testing was shut down. Or so the conspiracy goes.

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[A]

I'm also very curious. At what point? Cause, like, when we talked about the Montauk Project last week, there was a point where. And it was like, the day that they ended up, like, destroying. Destroying the Montauk Project, they saw the ship materialize in that, like, vortex. Like, I wonder if it's that day in October.

[B]

I don't think it is.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Well, I'm not sure, because they saw.

[A]

The children who were on the ship.

[B]

I think, actually, you're right. I think it was the October event.

[A]

Right. Which makes me then wonder about time. Like, Montauk project almost had to happen in order for the events of many years, like, 40 years before to happen.

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Was the Philadelphia Experiment successful at all with anything that they were physically doing or had they just the combination, something with the coils and, like, whatever they were doing with the energy tapped into this thing, and the control was actually within Montauk 40 years later.

[A]

Mind unable to comprehend.

[B]

Yeah. So this whole thing starts with a man named Morris Jessup. He was an astronomer, he was super smart, he wrote books about UFOs, did a ton of research, and he published his findings. And a person who got their hands on one of these books and found it super interesting was a man named Carlos McGill Allende, who later goes by Carl Allen. So Carl reads the book, and then he anonymously sends this book to the U.S. office of Naval Research with a note that says, happy Easter. What is the Office of Naval Research? It's so weird. So the Office of Naval Research is like, okay, we just got, like, a copy of some random guy's book. They open it up, but in the margins are, like, a ton of different annotations. It looks like three different people have annotated in the margins, and they're making commentary on the things that were discussed. So there's a lot of discussion about, like, different alien races, propulsion for flying saucers, how close some of these theories are to real alien technology. And there are quite a few comments about the Philadelphia Experiment and the comparing things to what happened there. The three people who were annotated after.

[A]

The fact that this is sent to the Naval Office. Yes.

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The three people who were annotating had called themselves Jemmy or Gemma, Mr. A and Mr. B. Today, there are actually printed copies of this. It's called the Varro edition. So you can Get a version of this. Like, obviously you don't see. Well, not obviously. I wish they had their actual, like, handwriting. Oh, it's just like a printed, typed version of the annotations from this book. But you can see what was or supposedly what was included. It's believed that the people who were commenting in these margins were not people at all. They were alien visitors. Alien refugees. Aliens living amongst us, just doing their homework.

[A]

Annotating the book for school assignment that Carl somehow has.

[B]

Huh? So Morris Jessup, he writes this book about aliens and UFOs, then Carl Allen sends a copy of this book with alien commentary to the U.S. office of Naval Research. That's where we are right now.

[A]

Yeah.

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Shortly after this, Carl starts to send letters to Morris, the author of the book, and he's basically warning him that he should stop discussing certain aspects of the book because it is so close to being accurate to, like, the true technology and understandings of how things work, especially levitation of UFOs and that sort of thing, like the operation of UFOs and, like, travel and whatnot.

[A]

Doesn't that kind of remind you of last week's episode, how, like, Preston Nichols was starting to do things that were very similar to what he was doing on the Montauk project? Like, was this Jessup guy.

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It's like, how does he.

[A]

Was he involved and his memory was erased?

[B]

Right.

[A]

But he's still on that same path.

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Possibly. Who knows? We don't actually have an answer for this one. There's no theory here. But basically Carl is saying that the levitation of UFOs and things within that matter are getting way too close to what is real and it's extremely dangerous. And there is proof of how dangerous trying to put some of these theories into practice can be for humans, and that it has been attempted and went horribly wrong once before. Carl then writes about a scientist named Franklin Reno who experimented, took this knowledge that Morris is getting so close to, like, truly understanding, and had applied it to attempt to cloak a warship, the USS Eldridge, in October of 1943. So Carl's now saying, like, this has already happened and it went horribly wrong. So stop digging and trying to understand.

[A]

How does Carl know about it?

[B]

How does Carl know about it? So Carl claims that he was on the SS Andrew Furuseth, the ship that witnessed. Oh, shit, the USS Eldridge rematerialize, or appear out of nowhere 200 miles away. He saw the entire thing. He saw the sailors coming out of nowhere. He saw the disappearing flash. He saw just everything. And how disoriented Everybody was. And that gravely concerned him. So Morris is getting these letters, and he's like, what? Who is this guy? I'm close. Wait. And what happened in Philadelphia? Tell me more. So now they're pen pals, Basically. They're writing back and forth.

[A]

I love this.

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Carl responds by citing a newspaper article from Philly, which is nowhere to be found in actual archives. It, like, didn't exist because the government erased it. Yeah, you can't, like, go to the library and be like, what was happening back in 1943 or whatever in Philly. So he basically was like, here is the article that we. That was used to cover up the incident, although you can't find the article today. And he also suggested that memories of the event had to be recovered. So if anyone wanted to remember what happened, they had to be recovered, essentially saying that people were made to forget.

[A]

Like the Montauk project.

[B]

Exactly. So these letters are exchanged a few times, and to my knowledge, I don't believe that Morris knew that Carl had sent an annotated version of his book, an alien annotated version of his book to the Office of Naval Research, at least until the office called him up and asked him to come in. So we were super curious about this book and what he knew and if he knew anything about these annotations, which he didn't. But there was. So one of the three beings who was annotating on the side. Their handwriting looked super familiar. So he then brings in his notes from Carl, and it's a match. So one of those alien beings, the one who called himself Mr. A was actually Carl Allen.

[A]

This is like a scientific Pretty Little Liars.

[B]

So there were two officers who were, like, super interested in everything that was going on. It was Captain Sydney Sherbey and Commander George Hoover. But instead of being super interested in, like, a possible alien contact or like, the magic of the incident that happened with this disappearing ship, they were mostly interested in the psychology of the person who wrote the annotation. So Carl. And they were theorizing that there was, like, some sort of code or something that would be like a breakthrough to understand gravity control, and that Carl maybe was like a spy from another country. Like, they were very much like, we are in World War.

[A]

Yeah, of course.

[B]

Like, coming off of World War II, there's foreign powers. Like, people are advancing technology. We don't know what other people know. And they were thinking that, like, there was some.

[A]

Yeah, we're moving into Cold War.

[B]

Like, there's exactly, like, a lot of code breaking, trust between huge in the nations.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So they're worried about that. But basically it seems like Carl is saying beware. And Morris is the only person who takes up real interest or worry in what to beware of. Right.

[A]

Like, if he never got that letter of beware, don't keep doing this, he wouldn't have been as curious about it. It's like when someone tells you you can't, it makes you want to do.

[B]

It more, push the red button. Well, now suddenly, what do you want to do?

[A]

What happens?

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Push the red button.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So in the years to come, Morris Jessup would try to dig more and he actually would publish more work on UFOs. But him being able to find information and publish became really hard. It was almost like whatever happened here thwarted his momentum in a way. And so it was hard for him to get things published. It was hard for him to just basically have any luck in terms of work. And his work wasn't being received in the same way. He had also published a book that was trying to talk about the Philadelphia Experiment and getting more into that. But in the end it was just like he was having a lot of issues in his personal life. And so basically he was just not having the life that he had wanted. And unfortunately, on April 30th of 1959, Morris died by suicide in Florida.

[A]

Which, not to add more conspiracy, but was it suicide?

[B]

I thought it was my very first thought. I was like, oh, someone who was getting too close to the answers suddenly dies by suicide.

[A]

Yeah, suspicious.

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Suspicious. In a lot of these cases, Carl Allen would claim some 12 years later that he wrote all of the annotations. So he was Mr. A, he was Mr. B. He was. I can't remember the name of the other person. Who was it? It was like, didn't have a Mr. Yeah. Jemmy.

[A]

What? A. What A. Why not Mr. A, B and C. Yeah.

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I don't know. So he claims that he was. He was everyone. And he did this to scare Morris Jessup of from researching more.

[A]

But then he made him want to research more. Interesting tactic.

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Numerous people and officers over the years had tried to get more out of Carl Allen, but he was largely super elusive. He was difficult to track down. And when people did find him, he was even harder to get an answer out of. And his family actually had, I think they, like, sent over to authorities like some work that he did or like just some, like, papers and stuff where, like, he was annotating and scribing a bunch of things. And basically it was came to the conclusion that Carl Allen was a brilliant mind, but also a brilliant hoaxer, that he was, like, super caught up in delusions, that he was struggling with mental illness, that he was really smart. And so that's why a lot of the stuff made sense.

[A]

It's a good story to spin.

[B]

Yes. Like, it was almost like when people are suffering from schizophrenia and they, like, suddenly there's, like, these giant whiteboards of mathematical problems where some of it is really advanced. Where did this come from? Yes. And then a lot of it isn't.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's essentially what was said to be happening to Carl Allen. So a lot of people are like, okay, well, this was a complete hoax. They referenced the official logbooks from the Navy that shows that the USS Eldridge was nowhere near Philly in October of 1943, that it was in New York and then it was in the Bahamas. So it was logged in those two places.

[A]

But again, it's like, how easy, especially back in, like, the 1940s, to, like, fake documents? Nothing's online. Nothing's, like, dated digitally.

[B]

Yeah. And if everyone's made to forget, what would it matter? It's like the Florence Pugh, Harry Styles movie where it's like they're given their own backstory, and that's what you believe.

[A]

What is it? Dearest, oh, dear darling. Something. Darling. Dearest, darling, dear, darling. I don't know.

[B]

Oh, darling, oh, my darling. Oh, my darling. So, yeah, it was in New York and then the Bahamas. So it wasn't anywhere near Philly. It wasn't anywhere near Norfolk.

[A]

Hmm.

[B]

If you believe that the logbooks are true. Another fact. Another fact to point out is that the Office of Naval Research wasn't even established until 1946. And this is apparently who was conducting the tests, like, within the US Navy, maybe.

[A]

It wasn't officially in existence.

[B]

That's exactly what I said. I was like, unsanctioned project, declassified project. Who's to say that they didn't give it a name three years later? Right?

[A]

Yeah. They're like, now it's time to bring this on the book.

[B]

Right. Now that everyone's fused to the boards of the ship that we need to retire.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

So Project Rainbow, which is what was the title given to Project, or what we now know as the Philadelphia Experiment. It also does not appear in any legitimate records. Surprise, surprise. Shocking Rainbow apparently was a term used in war planning by the us, but it had nothing to do with teleportation or cloaking or testing in a Philadelphia shipyard. So people are like, oh, could that just be like some confused thing, or does someone read a document, not understand it or what? Anyway, many skeptics have also pointed out, and this is similar to what we learned last week in the Montauk Project, that the story largely leans on one person, so Carl Allen. And there's not much information beyond what Carl has essentially provided.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, there's other witnesses and other people pulled in, but, like. But it's coming from Carl as the original source.

[A]

Right. Huh.

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But someone else did come forward. Years later in the 1980s, a man named Al Bielik comes forward, who we.

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Briefly talked about in the Montauk Project.

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He claims his name, when he comes forward is Edward Cameron, and that he was on the USS Eldridge at the time of the supposed Philadelphia Experiment testing. He claims that when the green fog came in when he was on the Eldridge, he got scared, and so he jumped off the ship. And when he jumped, he didn't hit the water. Instead, he fell through a wormhole, and he landed in 1983 in Montauk, long Island. He says the reason that the Eldridge disappeared is because in 1943, the experiment somehow locked on to the 1983 experiment in Montauk, and it ripped a hole in the fabric of time. Like a literal bridge was created between World War II and the 1980s, between Philadelphia and Montauk. First the Philadelphia Experiment, then the Montauk Project, inexplicably connected and possibly happening at the exact same time. And just like for the people involved with the testing on the USS Eldridge, everyone in Montauk was also made to forget. And that's it. That's the Philadelphia Experiment.

[A]

Or they died in the rematerialization of the ship.

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Yeah. How crazy. Damn, it is wild. Like a conspiracy within a conspiracy. Like the two are connected, because, like, you very. You don't often hear that. Okay.

[A]

It's one of those things where it's like, I can't say whether or not this. Either of these experiments happened. Are they possible? Absolutely. We know for a fact that the government has done experiments and testing that has been off the record to then later be declassified. So that is plausible. I also believe, like, you know, like, that folding paper thing where you can be like, this is two dimensional, and then it's like, this is, like, four dimensional. And like, I do think there's overlaps in time and space.

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Yeah.

[A]

That you could cause a fracture. But I again, go back to the not understanding how the science works. It just is not something my brain can compute or figure out, you know.

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What it made me think of when I was doing this research. I think it's a Doctor Strange movie or maybe it's one of the Avengers. There's a moment where Dr. Strange, or someone with the same technology opens up the portal to Jump times, and you see the USS Eldridge and all the guys from the Navy, the sailors screaming on board. Oops.

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Closes it back up.

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Yeah.

[A]

Damn. What do you think?

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I don't know. It's so hard. Especially because I do believe that people who. Like Jessup, who had a lot of information. He was a scientist, right? Yes. He was into UFOs. Yes. He wanted to understand all of this stuff. Yes. I'm sure a lot of people within his community were looking at what he was publishing and thinking that he. Trying to discredit him, thinking that he was on something or that he couldn't be trusted. But I do feel like a lot of people present good theories and are really close to certain things. And so, I don't know. In a way, it reminds me of the Men in Black, where it's like, people who are on the right path, something happens or someone comes into their life to ruin it, either to discredit them or to make them go away.

[A]

To wipe them out. It's so hard. Also, it's one of those things where the way that this is described, what happened was accidental. Like, they didn't intend for the ship to completely vanish and rematerialize somewhere else.

[B]

No, not at all. So they were trying to refract and bend light.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And then the other theory was just that they were trying to use coils to get around whatever, like magnetic technology was being used within the waters to detect ships. Yeah. So either way, there was absolutely no manipulation of atoms here.

[A]

They weren't trying to.

[B]

Yes, but.

[A]

So my thing is, if they accidentally did that and it didn't work out, they 100. Like, the government would 100% be like, well, we need to start testing this technology on a smaller scale to perfect it. Like, if you could make teleportation real, the government would 100% be studying that. So is there another conspiracy where somewhere in the world the government is doing tests of teleportation? Because they would 100% if that happened.

[B]

Yeah. They're not just shutting it down, being like, oh, no, 15 people lost their lives.

[A]

They would just do it on a smaller scale until they could do it on a bigger scale correctly.

[B]

And then it's also confusing because it's like, did they not have the knowledge? But maybe in the 80s, they were closer to it. And then there was some sort of talk between the two worlds. Once they were fused together, how was knowledge exchanged? Everything everywhere, all at once.

[A]

It's very confusing.

[B]

What came first, the chicken or the egg? Both of them at the same time.

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[A]

Okay, I will say so. Going back to high strange and pain. His grandfather worked for Lockheed Martin, like, very like, and was very, very high up. Consulted with the CIA. Like did a lot of things.

[B]

Where to the point didn't he find a bunch of like, documents or something for his grandpa?

[A]

So one story that Payne has told told me was his mom, when she was growing up, went on vacation with her dad. So it's Payne's grandfather, his mom's dad in Florida. And before they went on the trip, her dad said, if anyone tries to talk to you, tell me and do not talk to them.

[B]

That is so scary.

[A]

Right? Then she came home from the beach one day, and two, like, a man and a woman were walking out of the apartment in Florida. And when they walked in, it, like, looked as if they had looked through everything. What does Payne's grandfather say to Payne's mom? They won't find what they're looking for.

[B]

The most badass response and then was, you never keep it in your family home.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Why put them in danger?

[A]

And then when Payne's grandfather passed away, all of his documents, all of his research, no one knows where it went. No one.

[B]

I fully believe in the Philadelphia Experiment and the experiment, because how the fuck can this be happening so many times? Just, like, on such a small scale, Right? Someone we know.

[A]

The government is for sure.

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And remember, kids, never trust the government. Never trust.

[A]

Don't just anyone.

[B]

Honestly, it's so confusing because it's, like, the amount of levels you have to get. I feel like we say the government, but it's, like, past the government.

[A]

No, it's like, yeah. Which is.

[B]

I don't think the government really is truly the ones doing this and in control. There's, like, people that are, like, maybe hidden. Hidden within government workings, but, like, which is what.

[A]

So remember at the end of the Montauk project, I was saying the other guy that Preston Nichols, like, was working with, he and his wife fully believe it's the Illuminati. Like, I think it's the same thing of needing to believe that there's something bigger than the government that's responsible for all of this.

[B]

It's just all hidden.

[A]

It's aliens.

[B]

Where are they putting the files? In the tunnels in the cave system in Appalachia?

[A]

No, I. Like, I can't say for certain. I think conspiracies are fun to conjecture.

[B]

About, completely based in reality.

[A]

Corinne is like, you are the most. Like, you will buy into almost every conspiracy.

[B]

Well, I don't not believe in anything, I guess, is the thing, okay. Where it's like, anything could happen.

[A]

Yeah. Who are we to say anything could happen? Who are we to say we don't know enough?

[B]

I just would never be. I think it's, like, not in my body to, like, be so certain to say, like, this is not real or this can't be happening. Because it's like, well, what? Like, if we go to science and, like, scientific method and Experimenting and like, finding proof and trying to like, discredit or like prove your hypothesis or whatever. I have zero evidence beyond people just saying, like, oh, that wouldn't happen, or oh, that's a conspiracy or they don't do it that way. What actual proof and like experience do I have in my life to prove that?

[A]

Well, you don't have enough to disprove it or prove it. Exactly. So why not believe it?

[B]

Anything could happen.

[A]

It could be possible. And what else is possible is our listeners. The glitching, traveling through time.

[B]

Sorry to you, but excited for us.

[A]

This is from our listener who would like to remain anonymous. So let's call them.

[B]

Let's call them Mr. A. Oh, Mr. A.

[A]

Okay. And it's called alternate reality. Almost time slip. Back rooms glitch. Oh, the back room alien gas station. I do not know what I experience. Please help me.

[B]

Oh my gosh. Actually, wait, this. This is a good question. Do you fear the back rooms more or less than a glitch and like wrinkle in time backrooms for sure. Yeah, me too.

[A]

Because I think we've lived through many glitches already. I think the Mandela effect, those are little glitches, right?

[B]

And it's like the world is similar enough in the back rooms. Monsters are coming from you and it's this never ending labyrinth.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you're probably going to die there.

[A]

I already feel crazy, so please don't use my name. I don't need people to find me and confirm it. Aw. But here's some details to preface this story. My husband and I were driving to our hometown in Oklahoma from the east coast for the holidays. We were driving 21 hours because we have two dogs who are too big to fly. It's a long drive. We've done this drive before, typically driving through Tennessee. But because of Hurricane Helene and the damage to i40, we had to take a different route. We always drive straight through, taking shifts to drive 21 hours straight.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Whoever has slept takes the dogs to go to the bathroom while whoever drove gets gas. And someone always stays with the dogs, meaning if we go into the gas station, we're going alone. So let's get into the story. My husband, I'll call him Jake, I guess, was driving while I was sleeping. We didn't leave until 3 or 4pm So I think it was straight up overnight driving. I wake up, I think sometime around 3 or 4am the timeline of this is iffy and the only basis I'm working with are two photos I took which I'll explain later. So I wake up to Jake stopping the car at the gas station, knowing that means it's time to switch driving. I also knew I needed pods for my vape. I know, disgusting habit. I'm trying to stop but I'm leashing up the dogs and Jake stops to tell me that he would pump the gas and take the dogs to go to the bathroom because he felt like this place was a little sketchy. And he told me to go inside and come straight back. Now we are somewhere in eastern Arkansas, middle of nowhere. It is freezing and I'm very happy to not be standing outside with the dogs, watching them pee, freezing my butt off. I got out of the truck and immediately something doesn't feel right. Like now I knew what Jake was talking about, that this place didn't feel good. I knew I had to go do my business and get back in the truck asap. And the actual gas pumping area was huge. At least nine pumps with a cover over top, but only one light over each pump, like little spotlights. I try to be observant of my surroundings as I walk into the small gas station building that looked like a log cabin. Again middle of nowhere. So I was shocked when the actual rest stop area was unlocked because typically small town gas stations are not open 24 hours a day. Regardless, I needed to pee and I needed to buy vape pods. So I thought I was in luck. Walking into this building. It immediately smelt musty old, like a storage closet at your grandparents house. I looked around and I realized this place is huge. But it's 3am and the neon lights that would have been on were shut off. And the back of this building was very large and very dark, like unsettling.

[B]

I know, like I. I know that we are going in the direction of a glitch because that is literally what was said in the title. But I keep thinking about like the Hills have Eyes and House of Wax and like all of those kind of campy.

[A]

And even from the show we're like what is this town?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Okay already weird vibes. Things are strange. And then I noticed the floor is carpet. Carpet with a tile pathway leading down main aisles.

[B]

Super weird.

[A]

I'm greeted by an older man who's like 60s or 70s. He has a bald head and a white beard. He quietly says hello or whatever greeting. And regardless of the goosebumps this place gives me, I make my way back to the bathroom. I'm going to do my best to describe this bathroom, but I could barely understand it. While I was there, so bear with me. I pull open the heavy bathroom door to see a wall three feet in front of the door. I turn my head to the left and there's this short hallway but no stalls and another wall at the end. I take a few steps, trying to see where to actually use the bathroom, assuming I'm not supposed to just pop a squat on a floor. And in my head I go into the thought, did I just end up in the back rooms? And what the fuck is this place? As I'm walking down, there's an opening to my right that then leads into a hallway with stalls. But this opening to the stalls was not visible from the first door. Think the movie Labyrinth, where she first starts in the labyrinth and finds that wall behind the wall she's behind, blending in. It is very confusing. Like too many walls.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When the labyrinth wall seems just to be straight with no turns. I hope you get the picture. There are so many stalls. Too many. Too many stalls and twists and turns to be able to fit in this building. Along with a food court and a gas station and snacks. It's all very weird. I quickly do my business in the first stall, run out, not even bothering to wash my hands because I just needed to get out of there and it was so clean it smelt like an indoor pool. Now I'm back in the main area with snacks and drinks. I grab a water, knowing it's my time to drive and I would need a snack. Everything looked like it had never been touched. Kind of dusty. But I pick up some Reese's Pieces and I move to the front to pay. I look for my vape pods and I see they have a wide selection of disposable vapes, cigarettes and dip. So I ask if they had Vuse pods, which are a common brand. He says no, but that the shell across the street does. And now flashing back to me first getting out of the truck. When I got out, it was pitch black. Aside from this gas station, there was nothing around. No lights, no town. Honestly, I couldn't even see the highway from the gas station. So I'm freaked out. I pay. I run out to the truck where Jake is sitting with both dogs in the car. I hopped into the car to drive and I double checked that my husband is there and both dogs are there. And I didn't jump through timelines where all of a sudden my dogs and husband were gone. So now Jake, who's about to go to sleep, asks if I think he should go in and use the restroom before we Start driving again. I get worried he's going to get lost in the back rooms, bathrooms or jump realities. I say, nope, we can stop somewhere else and just drive away. But now here's the really strange part. As I started to write this, I started to search and search for some proof of this place. And since the drive was so long and dark, I had no clue where to start looking or what state I was even in at that point. But I am a chronic picture taker. Like, I literally take pics all the time of the most random things. So I go into Snapchat and I see A photo from December 21st at 4:12am location, Briscoe, Arkansas with the caption fighting demons. My Snapchat has auto save, so any photo taken autosaves. And then I have a picture in my camera roll time and exact location of a bruise on my leg because I had fallen down a flight of stairs the days before the drive. This photo was taken at 3:54am outside of Little Rock. The problem with this is we would have had to driven through Briscoe before. Little Rock Frisco is an hour east of Little Rock. So, like, the photos are almost backwards. Also, the photo of my leg says it was taken at A Loves and we never stopped at A Loves. I even checked my credit card statements. Not only did we not stop at A Loves, but there were no charges from Arkansas at all. Oh, no gas, no Reese's PCs, which also were stale, by the way. Anyway, I have no idea where we stopped. Why is the timestamp on the photo messed up or backwards? Am I missing time? Did I jump into an identical universe? And why can't I find that gas station at all? My husband says I'm reading into it too much, but I don't know. See you on the other side, Mr. A.

[B]

That is so weird. Like the pictures being backwards. That is almost like confusing me more than anything else because I'm like, how many of you were there, like, jumping and living in different loops? Like, how did this happen?

[A]

Well, and then also how are there no charges? Like, it's almost like that stop never happened.

[B]

Right? I mean, her husband knew immediately that there was something wrong.

[A]

Part of me wishes that he had gone into the to go to the bathroom. Just what if his experience of that building was completely different? Because from the outside it looked like a small log cabin. Little like rest Station. But Mr. A, she walks in and it is massive confusing. Looks like, like the way I'm picturing it, it's almost like a set.

[B]

Yeah. Did the husband go in?

[A]

No, he stayed outside with the dogs.

[B]

Yeah. So I am curious what he would have experienced. What he would have experienced or just like what he witnessed from the outside?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

So strange. Oh, my gosh. Well, now we need to look in our inbox to see if there's anything from Briscoe or like those areas where people are like, oh, did I drop through? Through. Drop. Drop through. Well, I guess sort of drop through portal.

[A]

Yeah. I will say the one, like, cool, braggy part of this story is you can say I had Reese's Pieces from another timeline.

[B]

That's true. And they were stale.

[A]

And they were stale. Our timeline has better Reese's PCs.

[B]

Yeah. A little more up to date, more recently manufactured, less dusty. Well, at least the attendant was really nice. He was just like, hi, how are you?

[A]

Just hello. Yeah, he wasn't. He might have been a little weird because he's from a different timeline, but he didn't.

[B]

If you wasn't expecting a human to come in that day.

[A]

No, he usually serves aliens. But if you have any encounters like this or just any paranormal encounter whatsoever, please email them to us@2girls1ghost podcastmail.com we also have so many exciting things over on Patreon which you should definitely check out if you're interested in episodes one week early and ad free. Or if you want to, if you're like, I wish I could tell my ghost story to Sabrina and Corinne live. Well, guess what? You're in luck. You can. Every Tuesday on Patreon, we have campfire stories where you can come up onto. We have like a zoom meeting every week and you can hang out with us, chat, we eat lunch there and you can tell us your ghost story.

[B]

Shout out to Jamie Ryan who edits and produces our podcast, and Emma La Venter who helps us with our socials and produces. Thank you so much and thank you to all of you. We love you and we will see you on the other side.

[A]

Very spooky.

[B]

Thanks for listening.

[A]

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