Episode 369 - Sam The Sandown Clown | Alien, Ghost or Something Else?

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Episode Summary: Two Girls One Ghost

Episode 369 – Sam The Sandown Clown | Alien, Ghost or Something Else?
Hosts: Corinne Vien & Sabrina Deana-Roga
Release Date: April 19, 2026
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This episode dives into the bizarre case of Sam the Sandown Clown, a mysterious entity encountered by two children on the Isle of Wight in 1973. The hosts explore whether Sam was an alien, ghost, interdimensional being, or something beyond our understanding. Along the way, they discuss the area's strange history, the family's firsthand accounts, and larger theories about non-human contact—interweaving their signature humor, cultural references, and personal tangents.

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Episode Overview

Corinne and Sabrina kick off with paranormal banter that transitions into a heavily-researched retelling of the Sam the Sandown Clown encounter. The episode blends detailed storytelling, skeptical inquiry, and a deep dive into folklore, extraterrestrial encounters, and the role of sound in perceiving non-human intelligence.

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Key Segments, Insights, and Timestamps

1. Warm-Up & Recent Paranormal Rabbit Holes

[01:19–05:09]

• Sabrina recounts her SXSW weekend, obsessively sharing a (possibly fake) viral TikTok story about dolphin abductions and Gerald the Dolphin:

  “There was this whole TikTok… he claimed he was abducted by dolphins led by this one dolphin named Gerald… taken beneath the shores to help build their undercity.” (Sabrina, [02:15])

• Corinne discusses the blurring of online lore and “tinfoil hat” encounters; Sabrina feels both embarrassed and validated as this behavior perfectly fits the show’s ethos.
• Segue: Gerald’s aquatic weirdness is the perfect prelude to today’s main topic—a being associated with water, mystery, and possible alien origins.

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2. Enter: The Story of Sam the Sandown Clown

[07:22–19:06]

• Sabrina sets the tone:

  “This episode is just as weird as I am. And it does feel ripped out of a Stephen King novel. Specifically IT. But this happened many years before it was ever written.” (Sabrina, [07:22])

• She narrates how, in 1973, two children (a girl later dubbed “Faye” and a boy Sabrina names “Danny”) are lured by a strange siren sound to a wooden bridge in Sandown, Isle of Wight.
• Under the bridge, they meet “Sam”—a bizarre figure almost seven feet tall in clown-like garb and distinctly unhuman features:
  • No neck; head comes right out of shoulders
  • Yellow pointed hat with antennae, wooden slat limbs, three fingers and toes
  • Triangular eyes, a square nose, “paper white” cheeks, red hair

  “It does look clown like, but it also has… robotic… but then the outfit does have alien, like, future space Xenon look to it.” (Sabrina, [19:06])

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3. Escalation: First Contact

[19:06–31:26]

• “Sam” is startled just like the children, loses his book in the brook, but retrieves it and flees to his hut, moving with strange “high knees.”
• The children are enthralled rather than terrified. After reappearing, Sam uses a book to spell out:

  “Hello. I am all colors, Sam.” (Sabrina, [25:02])

• Communication: Sometimes via a microphone (lips don’t move), sometimes written, and possibly telepathic.
• When asked if he’s a man or ghost:

  “Well, not really, but I am in an odd sort of way.” (Sam, via Faye, [27:42])

• Sam claims to be “alone,” frightened of humans, will not fight if attacked, and mentions “others like him” exist but not present.
• The children are shown inside his featureless metal hut, see his “magical” method of eating berries, and hear about his simple, berry-and-river-water diet.

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4. Aftermath & Adult Testimony

[31:54–46:19]

• The children run home, initially dismissed by an adult and keep the experience secret for weeks.
• Faye confides in her father (“Mr. Y”), who is skeptical—until he recalls his own prior close encounter:
  • October 1972: Mr. Y sees a multi-lit, silent UFO over the marshes, its lights “playing hide and seek” ([36:12]).
  • March 1973: At a cliffside, he’s transfixed by a disturbance in the ocean and witnesses “two points of light, yellow and appeared like eyes…as if a horrible sea monster” ([40:58]).

    “He has this like, urge. Something is telling him to turn his view and look at a specific spot in the water.” (Sabrina, [39:44])

• Mr. Y becomes more open to Faye’s claim—especially as her account is corroborated, nearly verbatim, by Danny.
• Questions arise: Was this a hallucination, an “other dimension,” or potentially a non-human “fae” or “alien” encounter?

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5. Historical & Paranormal Context

[09:55–13:21, 45:52–54:34]

• The Isle of Wight’s rich history: from dinosaur fossils to secret military installations, and its nickname, “Dinosaur Island.”
• Local path geography is discussed, emphasizing how these liminal, deserted spaces invite strange encounters.
• British UFO Research Association (BUFORA) eventually documents the tale in 1978, but the case remains obscure.
• The story recently gained new life, especially as talk of underwater alien bases grows in mainstream and conspiracy circles.

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6. Theories, Interpretation, and Symbolism

[54:12–64:56]

• Sam’s phrase “I am all colors” is debated:
  • Is it a claim of universality, a symbol of encompassing all realities, or a metaphor for inclusion?

    “I am everything, right? All colors. Everything you can perceive and see.” (Corinne, [54:24])

• Discussion of similarities to “Indrid Cold, the Grinning Man” and fae folklore, with Reddit and other user analyses suggesting deeper symbolic meaning in the encounter’s use of bridges, water, and the book (knowledge/guidance).
  • “Bridge as transition, water as the unconscious, and the absurdity of its form as an attempt to communicate using our symbols.” (Reddit theory, summarized [61:43])
• Evaluations:
  • Shared child hallucination?
  • Hoax or misinterpretation?
  • Undercover human in costume (deemed more horrifying if true)?
  • True alien or cryptid visit correlated with local UFO sightings?
  • Interdimensional entity employing hypnotic sounds to allow rare, altered perception of its reality?

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7. Recent Developments & Ongoing Mystery

[55:04–56:43]

• Sabrina shares that researcher Paul at Wilson claims to have found “Faye” as an adult—alleging she had four more minor encounters with Sam over the decades. This news, from podcasts and recent articles, is considered uncorroborated but fascinating.
• No similar encounters have been widely reported; only a rumored reference in Nova Scotia and a shaman’s account (Krita Mutwa) with a vaguely similar being.

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8. Listener Story: Haunted Clown Doll

[66:47–70:05]

• Corinne reads a chilling listener story about a wind-up clown doll that returns after being sold, activates itself in the attic at night, and only ceases its haunting after being burned.

  “It was coming from the attic, where—you guessed it—the clown was walking. Walking. Yep. Like, wound up and walking around the attic. Not only had that thing somehow made it back to the house, but it had been wound up enough on more than one occasion… always in the middle of the night…” (Amber, listener, [68:41])

• Hosts and listeners agree: “Would much rather encounter Sam than this wind up old clown doll toy.” (Sabrina, [70:01])

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Tone, Language, and Memorable Moments

• The episode retains the hosts’ playful, skeptic-yet-wondering style and is peppered with side discussions about alien folklore, personal stories, and pop culture (“Roly Poly Olie,” “It,” “Monsters, Inc.”).
• Notable Quotes:
  • “I think ultimately whatever Sam is, he's some type of interdimensional being who exists in our world but not always—maybe uses sound to help allow other people to see him and alter the reality.” (Sabrina, [59:46])
  • “I'm going to say, I think you're dumb if you don't think aliens are real. Like, I think you're very close minded.” (Sabrina, [65:12])
  • “You never know if this is the moment that people have been waiting for their entire lives.” (Corinne, [07:11]) [re: using weirdness to confound an attacker]

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Theories and Open Questions Raised

• Was Sam an alien, a fae-like entity, the result of an altered state, or simply a fabrication?
• How does sound play into our ability to perceive the supernatural?
• Are there “windows” or “thin places” that allow rare, fleeting glimpses of parallel realities or beings?
• Did the military or geological history of the Isle of Wight contribute to the event?
• Is the return of the Sam story, as with “Indrid Cold,” evidence of a pattern of non-hostile, contact-based encounters?
• What do we make of the clustering of water/bridge crossings, symbolism, and child witnesses in such reports?

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Closing and Listener Engagement

[70:10–71:41]

• The hosts encourage listeners to share their own stories—especially any alien or clown-related encounters—via email, Patreon, or social media.
• They note a resurgence of interest in undersea alien bases and welcome more personal accounts and theories.
• The episode closes with signature humorous banter about haunted artifacts, boisterous mooing, and rewriting Titanic history via cryptid icebergs.

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Quick Reference Timestamps

• [07:22] — Introduction to Sam the Sandown Clown encounter
• [15:12] — Child witnesses describe Sam and first contact
• [27:42] — “Are you a ghost?”: Sam’s cryptic self-definition
• [31:54] — Aftermath; adult testimony and UFO sighting
• [40:58] — Mr. Y’s encounter with “sea monster” lights
• [45:52] — Corroboration, theories of “thin places” and perception
• [54:12] — Theories: Alien, fae, shared hallucination, symbolism
• [66:47] — Listener haunted clown story
• [70:10] — Wrap-up, calls for submissions

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In Summary

This episode of Two Girls One Ghost delivers a rich, odd, and thought-provoking journey through one of Britain’s stranger UFO/cross-phenomena cases. With in-depth commentary, folklore context, skeptical inquiry, and irreverent fun, Sabrina and Corinne invite listeners to consider the unexplainable—from creepy clowns to cosmic consciousness lurking just out of view.

Transcript

[Sabrina]

Girl, winter is so last season. And now spring's got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders that perfect hang on the patio Sundress those sandals you can wear all day and all night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done. Hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear open that envelope. It's time for a little in person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. What they did to your family. You're lucky to make it out alive. Streaming on Peacock. These men are going to come after me. Taking them out. It's my only chance. Put a bullet in her head. From the co creator of Ozark.

[Corinne]

Looks like a family was running drugs execution style.

[Sabrina]

Killing. It's rare for the Keys. Any leads on who they might have been running for? The cartel killed my family.

[Corinne]

I'm gonna kill them. Awesome, Mia. Streaming now only on Peacock.

[Sabrina]

Very spooky.

[Corinne]

Hi.

[Sabrina]

I'm embarrassed.

[Corinne]

Why?

[Sabrina]

Because I spent. I mean this was now like a month ago by the time this episode comes out, but I spent the whole weekend at south by Southwest telling every single person who would listen to me about Gerald the dolphin and the abduction of this man in Florida. I felt like you. Like there's some times where you've come to me tinfoil hat where you tinfoil hat so hard and you TikTok so

[Corinne]

hard and get lost in the sauce.

[Sabrina]

I got lost in the sauce. If you're not sure what I'm talking about. So back in middle of March there was this whole TikTok story or it went viral, of this man from Florida who washed ashore. And he claimed that he was after three days.

[Corinne]

Yeah. Of being missing, that he was like

[Sabrina]

abducted by dolphins led by this one dolphin named Gerald. He was like the. The head honcho and taken beneath the shores to help build their like under city. Underground city.

[Corinne]

It was like a dolphin city. They had like plans and he had to construct their city with his thumbs

[Sabrina]

and they had like put like this like air bubble around him anyway. So yeah, he was building for like three days wash ashore. And like these stories went off where they were like this man was tested by doctors and he had evidence of like water in his lungs as if he had been underwater for a prolonged period of time. But no brain damage. Like otherwise very mentally sound. The government was like sending helicopters. Like there was videos of all of it.

[Corinne]

Right.

[Sabrina]

I'm still not clear what was real, what wasn't real or is it also government cover up?

[Corinne]

He also had a lot of educational credentials that would make you think that this is someone who is to be believed. And then in your defense, too, there were a lot of people who'd worked with dolphins in some sort of capacity, like researchers, trainers, whatever, that were, like, backing up the story, being like, okay, well, that didn't happen to me. But, like, the things that I saw, the things that occurred. Dolphins occur with dolphins. Yeah. They're like, it could be totally believable that something like this would happen. But when you say it out loud to someone who's never heard the story and isn't into it and you're just walking around, not just to, like, anyone. Studio execs and studios.

[Sabrina]

Ali Ward.

[Corinne]

There's a dolphin.

[Sabrina]

Alie Ward. And I talked about it. I. I delivered the information to the dad Ward of ologies, who has spent lots of time talking to probably talk to dolphin researchers. She was like, I can't wait to talk to my dolphin expert about this. But I will say those were my favorite conversations of the weekend. Because, you know, other people were talking about. So what podcast do you represent? What. What ads do you like? And I'm like, have you heard about Gerald?

[Corinne]

There's a guy named Gerald. He happens to be a dolphin, and he's abducting people off the beaches of Florida, constructing underground cities.

[Sabrina]

Listen, I am embarrassed, but I'm also.

[Corinne]

I don't think you should be embarrassed.

[Sabrina]

I also think.

[Corinne]

I think that was actually a great representation of who we are as a podcast. I think you did a wonderful job of showing exactly who we are. You speak with conviction, people believe you. They start to get lost. And then you're like, wait a second. When you go to tell someone, oh, I just met this really interesting person she was telling me about. And then you're like, oh, wait, is this immemorable? Yeah. Yeah. No one's going to forget you, Sabrina. Good job.

[Sabrina]

Thank you.

[Corinne]

Good job representing us.

[Sabrina]

Oh, by the way, I don't think we introduced ourselves.

[Corinne]

Oh, yeah, this is two girls, one ghost.

[Sabrina]

Two girls, one ghost. That is Corinne. Hello, I'm Sabrina and I will say Gerald. And the story of Gerald is very appropriate for today's story.

[Corinne]

Ooh.

[Sabrina]

Because it's got a little bit of aliens, a little bit of undersea. Do aliens live underwater? Do we really know what aliens look like?

[Corinne]

I am so confused because in the tracker you mentioned clown.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

Okay.

[Sabrina]

I also have so many other stories from south by Southwest, but tell them. I was with a Group of people. And I was like, don't worry. If anyone were to attack us, I got the move and I dropped down on all fours and I mooed.

[Corinne]

I, like, literally, I can't picture it because I can't picture people's reactions.

[Sabrina]

Did it feel natural after? Yeah.

[Corinne]

Was there, like, an awkward period between you, like, trying to get yourself off the ground after mooing and people not knowing?

[Sabrina]

No, it was with. It was with friends. It was with, like, Andrea Gunning and her team from Glass Media. Like, I know them, so I'm friendly with them. Okay. So I had already.

[Corinne]

The Glass Media folks.

[Sabrina]

I already exhibited weirdness beforehand.

[Corinne]

Okay.

[Sabrina]

So I think they knew what event was this at between events outdoors.

[Corinne]

I am dying. Oh, man.

[Sabrina]

This is what happens when I don't have you.

[Corinne]

I was supposed to go and then like a second before had to drop out due to pregnancy.

[Sabrina]

Things I questioning life right now.

[Corinne]

Oh, man. I'm not missing next year. Hell no. Moo again next year.

[Sabrina]

I'll move again for you. I'll move right now. I think that's how I did it. Okay. Anyway, so this story.

[Corinne]

Wait, sorry, it's just.

[Sabrina]

No.

[Corinne]

What? I, like, forgot the context. I was like, wait, what context were you on? The ground moving. But it was an attacker scenario.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. We were talking about potential threats.

[Corinne]

Okay.

[Sabrina]

And then I said, I think I'm the biggest threat.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

And I said, not because of my muscles, but because of my oddness.

[Corinne]

That's why people shouldn't attack others. You never know what's going to come for you. You never know if this is the moment that people have been waiting for their entire lives.

[Sabrina]

Corinne has. Corinne has.

[Corinne]

That is true.

[Sabrina]

Well, this episode is just as weird as I am. And it does feel ripped out of a Stephen King novel. Specifically it. But this happened many years before it was ever written.

[Corinne]

Dang.

[Sabrina]

It starts with two children who were lured off the path by a mesmerizing, warped siren sound. They followed the sound deeper and deeper into a remote area. And when they reached a small wooden bridge above a little babbling brook, the sound stopped. And suddenly, from beneath the bridge, something emerged.

[Corinne]

A blue gimbal. Because I'm still picturing you on the ground, moving. Do you notice I'm smiling as you're doing this? Okay, I'm focused.

[Sabrina]

Suddenly, from beneath the bridge, something emerged. A blue gloved hand beckoning them into his metallic hut. It feels like a nightmare or the beginning of a story where children are eaten by a witch in the woods or pulled into a sewer. Like an. It but this is not fiction. This is reality, should you choose to believe it. And it is the story of Sam the Sandown clown. Slash alien.

[Corinne]

Slash alien. Interesting.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. I mean, we'll get into specifics. I would say this is an alien story, but he's called Sam the Sandown clown because of his appearance, which I'll get into in a minute, But I very much believe this is an alien encounter.

[Corinne]

Okay.

[Sabrina]

It's just one of the weirdest ones.

[Corinne]

Interesting.

[Sabrina]

Our story starts in the south of England on an almost storybook island called the Isle of Wight. It is known for its quiet seaside towns, chalky white cliffs and a very peaceful area where time slows. It's a two hour trip from London and a very popular summer spot. But in total there are only about 142,000 year round residents. So here's like the island. I'll show you pictures.

[Corinne]

I mean, that's still a lot of residents, but it's like a bunch of

[Sabrina]

towns on an island. So it's not one town. I didn't look at the size of the island, but it's. It's big.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

So local.

[Corinne]

Well, yeah. Okay. What? I feel like it's like being from like Rhode island or something, you know?

[Sabrina]

Yeah, I feel like that's a similar. Yeah, yeah. Located on the island's southeastern coast is a classic Victorian era beach town called South Sandown. And Sandown spent many years as a strategic military defense location. Because it was in the ideal spot, it was perfect to monitor the seas for potential enemies. It was the front line during coastal conflict with mainland Europe. And during both World wars, the island was used for training exercises, radar installations, coastal surveillance and secret operations.

[Corinne]

Dang.

[Sabrina]

Being conducted in this area.

[Corinne]

It's always on an island and always on the water. Yeah, yeah. Because aliens live at the bottom of our ocean.

[Sabrina]

Yep. So does Gerald. And Gerald's an alien.

[Corinne]

Gerald is an alien.

[Sabrina]

Okay. So over the time, the need for such operations lessened and the need for sun by the English folk folk grew because those Londonites. I'm wearing my London sweatshirt.

[Corinne]

Nice.

[Sabrina]

They are depraved of the sun.

[Corinne]

They are white.

[Sabrina]

So then sand. Usually they are white.

[Corinne]

Yes.

[Sabrina]

London's a very diverse place.

[Corinne]

I know, but they're pale. The ones that are white are drastically white.

[Sabrina]

Vampiric. But this town is beautiful. It's sunny and it has sandy shores, coastal paths, ice cream shops. The perfect place for families, tourists, and anyone who's really looking for a peaceful getaway or to see dinosaur fossils or to. Or to visit the Pooh Museum Winnie

[Corinne]

the Pooh or like.

[Sabrina]

No, like, feces museum. There's a museum of poop. Why in Sandown? I don't know.

[Corinne]

What do we need to know about the poop?

[Sabrina]

It's the National Poo Museum. Explores the science of excrement, gut biomes and has fossilized droppings.

[Corinne]

So it's not just human, it's just like the world of poop.

[Sabrina]

It's just poop.

[Corinne]

Oh, interesting World of poop. Yeah.

[Sabrina]

So, yeah, it has the dinosaurs and it has poop and it has their poop. But Sandown is often nicknamed Dinosaur island because the sheer number of fossils that have been discovered here. There have been over 20 different species, tons of bones, footprints, skeletons that have been uncovered by paleontologists along the cliffs and beaches of Sandown for centuries.

[Corinne]

That's kind of wild.

[Sabrina]

Where is this again? Southeastern island in England.

[Corinne]

Oh, it's just so random. Like, just like a small little island has such a big population of so many different types of dinosaurs. It's not just like, oh, no, it like, slowly eroded and chipped off and all the giant snakes and birds lived there. Like, it's.

[Sabrina]

No, it has. So it's like such a high number. Yeah. Which I'm like, keep all of this in mind when we're talking about this story because it's like, what is it about this place that has so much history was such a attractive place to dinosaurs? Perhaps it's another reason it's an attractive place to aliens.

[Corinne]

Yeah. One dinosaur fact I learned the other day that blew my mind was that Stegosaurus and T. Rex did not live in the same time period at all. And in fact, we live closer to T Rex than Stegosaurus and T Rex lived. I'm going to butcher this, but I think Stegosaurus was like Mesozoic period, and T Rex is Jurassic. And those are like millions and millions of years apart. So we are closer to living in the world of T. Rex than T. Rex was to live with alongside Stegosaurus.

[Sabrina]

I'm confused about the history of Earth.

[Corinne]

So when did mermaids. When do they come in?

[Sabrina]

They're still here.

[Corinne]

They are, yeah.

[Sabrina]

And Gerald, they're in the rivers of Brazil. Okay, so point being, Sandown has this, like, very rich history. Dinosaurs, military bases, forts, secret operations. Question mark, question, mark. And while it's a popular tourist destination, it does also have a lot of coastal paths that lead into more desolate, marshy, wooded areas. They're abandoned forts, overgrown paths, long stretches of countryside where you can walk for a long time without Ever seeing another living being. And it's on one of these lesser traveled paths that two kids encountered what is now called the Sandown Clown. A ghost, an alien, an interdimensional being or something entirely unknown. Hmm. So it's wrong.

[Corinne]

This does immediately make me think of it and how like it came crashing down and like landed on Earth and that there were like certain things scattered. Like if you're going based on like the most recent one. Because now I'm thinking, okay, dinosaurs went extinct from a meteor or whatever. But like, what if it was this clown shooting down from outer space, killing the aliens of this island. Killing the aliens. Killing the dinosaurs.

[Sabrina]

Killing the dinosaurs.

[Corinne]

Sorry.

[Sabrina]

Jesus. One thing I will say is this is an alien I would like to encounter. It's not. Oh, okay. It's not scary like Pennywise.

[Corinne]

Alrighty.

[Sabrina]

Unless maybe actually it's not scary like Pennywise. And I'll stand by that. Okay. Around 4pm on Tuesday, May 8th of 1973, a seven year old girl named Faye was with a boy around her same age. And I'm just going to note, so I'll get more into this, like when we talk about how we have the story at the end, but her name's not actually Faye. That's the name that was given to her to keep her actual identity anonymous. Because she was a young kid when this happened.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

And then none of the reports identify the boy either. So I'm gonna call him Danny. So Faye and Danny, they're around 7 years old. Tuesday, May 8, 1973. They are playing outside, wandering around Lake Common. And I've included some Google map images. So you can see this area. It's like in the border between neighborhoods. So there's some marshy land and golf course.

[Corinne]

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah.

[Sabrina]

They're kind of on the outside of the.

[Corinne]

It's still more like populated than I had presumed.

[Sabrina]

I mean, this is a Today image in 1973. It's probably a little bit more scarce. But the golf course did exist back then, right?

[Corinne]

Like they're not like miles and miles and miles away from a human being.

[Sabrina]

No, no, they're not. But they're on like, which is good

[Corinne]

because they're seven years old and near a body of water.

[Sabrina]

Yes, exactly. Okay, so Faye and Dani are walking around, they're tossing sticks, when all of a sudden they heard a wailing noise. And when they described it, it was almost like.

[Corinne]

Is it like this Moo.

[Sabrina]

Exactly like that. It was me dropping down on all four. It was almost like a siren, Almost like an Ambulance. But it was not at all like an ambulance. Whatever it was, it entranced them. It made them curious. So they followed the sound across the golf links, through a hedge to grandmother's house. They go to a swampy meadow. And once they reach this meadow, the sound stopped completely. They're confused. They decide, should we go a little bit further? Look for it. What was that? They make their way across a wooden footbridge that is over a narrow brook. And as they're crossing the bridge, a gloved blue gloved hand reaches out from underneath the bridge towards them, which is terrifying and feels very pennywise. Right?

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

And then a strange figure to which the hand belonged emerged. It or he, as Faye and Dani explained, was nearly 7ft tall. His head appeared to come right out of his shoulder, so he had no neck. He wore a yellow pointed hat, a green tunic with a red collar, and a round black knob was affixed to the top of his hat. And wooden antennae. Cause there's two protruded from either side. So like, literally like tinfoil hat situation with antennae. His face had triangular markings for eyes. There was a brown square of a nose, yellow lips. His cheeks were paper white with round markings. And red hair poked out onto his forehead.

[Corinne]

Oh, yeah.

[Sabrina]

And his limbs. His limbs were like wooden slats. He wore blue gloves on his hands, and each hand only had three fingers. And same his feet only had three toes, but they were barefooted and pale.

[Corinne]

So this kind of sounds like Raggedy Andy. Oh, okay. But then when you put it all together. Yeah, it's kind of like a very vintage Halloween clown.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. Doesn't it kind of remind you of. Is it like Roly Polyoli characters? They're kind of like robotic.

[Corinne]

Yes. Roly Polioli. He's small and short and round. And in the land of Na na na, he's the coolest kid around.

[Sabrina]

Love that. You remember that? Love that. For you and us, we got to enjoy.

[Corinne]

Well, I didn't remember all the words. I probably got a couple wrong, but. No, no, you're right. Like, that's what he. Yeah, that's what it looks like. Or it looks like when you go to, like, I don't know, TJ Maxx or whatever, and they have, like, the vintage style, like plates for Halloween. Like, it looks like a character like that. Like someone's gonna be dressed up for Halloween like that.

[Sabrina]

And so it does look clown like, but it also has. That's, like robotic. But then the outfit does have alien, like, future space.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Xenon look to it. Cetus Lapidus So Faye and Dany are obviously very taken aback by this strange creature emerging from beneath a wooden bridge. And they watch it kind of come out from under the bridge and fumble a book that it was carrying. The book falls into the brook. It rhymes. And the figure splashes about, trying to retrieve his book. Like, he really wants his book.

[Corinne]

Oh, no, I'm worried for him and his book.

[Sabrina]

I know. And once it retrieves its book, the figure races towards what Faye and Dany described as a metal hut with no windows. And as it runs towards this hut, it moved in a very strange manner. Hopping, like, doing high knees. Okay, so nothing about this feels human.

[Corinne]

It does not feel natural. It's like, does it feel natural to this thing? Or is. Or is it trying to, like, masquerade as a human? And it's like, this is how they run. Right.

[Sabrina]

Unclear. But whatever it is, it doesn't seem to interact with the children right away. So it kind of like runs back to its hut. Like, almost like they startled it as much as it startled them. Yeah.

[Corinne]

Oh, he was trying to relax by the water, read his book, and he

[Sabrina]

fumbled and he frazzled and ran back to his hut. So Danny and Faye are like, okay, maybe we should leave. They're seven. So they turn around, they start to go away. But all of a sudden, like, this figure rematerializes in a different location, and this time it has a microphone.

[Corinne]

This feels like a story a seven year old might tell.

[Sabrina]

Right. But just wait. Okay. And that siren sound returned.

[Corinne]

Oh. Like out of its mouth or just

[Sabrina]

at its backtrack when it reappeared, like, the sound came back, has its own

[Corinne]

jingle for its entry.

[Sabrina]

We'll talk about this more, but I think it's almost like talking about, like, Gateway tapes and all these things, kind of how, like, sound can alter your reality. So people assume or think that maybe the sound is the reason they were able to see him.

[Corinne]

Interesting.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. Okay. So that siren sound returned. It was so loud. And then the figure spoke, and he asked, hello? Are you still there? And despite the figure's appearance in this alarmingly loud siren, Fay and Dany feel like it's friendly. That's the energy they're getting from it. So they approach it, and when they're now face to face with this creature, the siren stops. The being then opened his book, the one that he had dropped into the brook, and appeared to write down a message. We've talked about it a lot lately. We're aging. Our skin is becoming a little bit more wrinkly as is now. Control with age. Which is why we're being a lot more selective with what products we're putting on our skin. And that is why I love you love. We love Jones Road Beauty.

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[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

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[Corinne]

You know what? This is making me think. I know that this is an alien story, but this is almost making me think that this is someone from the future or even from the past who, like, tried to figure out a time machine and built almost like a robot to send and test and. And that they're controlling the robot, which is this figure from, like, a remote. Like, it's almost like trying to, like. Like, use your drone or whatever. And then it gets, like, stuck in the trees, and you're trying to do all this stuff, and, like, there's a million mistakes because it's, like, not perfect. This is what it feels like to me, where it's like. It's someone's like, oh, shit. Whatever just happened worked. I'm actually somewhere else, and I need my robot to, like, point and communicate. And it's like, oh, fuck. Point at the wrong thing.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. I think it's also maybe the language that. Or the way that it communicates in its world isn't the same as the way it communicates as we communicate, but it studied the way we communicate and is trying to.

[Corinne]

I am all colors, Sam.

[Sabrina]

And also, just, like, the microphone thing makes me laugh. It makes me just think of Monsters, Inc. Where they come at the end when they start to do comedy and collect laugh instead of screams. And Mike Wazowski enters with a microphone with a long cord. And he does his set. But, okay, so he. This entity has now introduced himself as all colors Sam. His name was Sam. And Sam could speak using his microphone or without. Or writing his messages. He could speak, but no matter what. Like, they could hear him but no matter what, his lips never moved, which is just like unsettling.

[Corinne]

Yeah, that is strange.

[Sabrina]

Which does make you wonder, is he actually speaking out loud or is he telepathically communicating with them?

[Corinne]

Right.

[Sabrina]

And it just. The only way we know how to interpret it. Or as a seven year old, you're like, oh, he's speaking out loud, or

[Corinne]

is he a robot and there's a speaker built into him and someone else in a secondary location is speaking through it.

[Sabrina]

Maybe. Who knows? We don't know.

[Corinne]

Okay, so now it's like the transformers at Universal.

[Sabrina]

So now the three of them stand there outside talking for some time. They ask questions about one another. And Faye and Danny couldn't help but notice that Sam's clothes were ripped. So they asked why. Sam told them that he only had one set of clothes to wear. Faye and Danny were very confused by Sam, rightfully so. And Faye asked if Sam was a man. Sam said, no. So Faye, being seven years old and not really sure what other terms to use, asked, are you a ghost? And Sam responded, well, not really, but I am in an odd sort of way.

[Corinne]

Interesting, interesting answer. I'm more confused now.

[Sabrina]

Well, and then Faye asked, what are you then? And Sam vaguely said, you know, and then just like kept going.

[Corinne]

And then, you know. What?

[Sabrina]

Yeah, very vague. But then he.

[Corinne]

Perhaps he doesn't have a word for it in our own language.

[Sabrina]

Right. Or. But also it does feel like in a way he is a ghost because people don't see him on a regular basis. And maybe the only way Faye and Dany were able to see him was because he put out this sound that allowed them to enter his dimensional space in reality.

[Corinne]

Yeah, but.

[Sabrina]

So he continues to say that there were others like him, but that he was alone and that he was scared of humans. He was frightened that humans would hurt him, which is why he never really shows himself to them. He confessed that if a human were to attack, he would not fight back. So basically that makes me think that there are. There's history of his people, his kind being killed by humans, but maybe they are a peaceful species and so they do not fight back.

[Corinne]

And it's just like blowing my mind that based on what he's said to look like that this is like a naturally occurring being or is it an alien? But like, even as an alien, I'm like, isn't it hard to get around in your body?

[Sabrina]

I would say it's hard to get around in our human bodies. We also look so weird, but we don't think we look weird because we all look like this, and we think we're the most intelligent beings.

[Corinne]

Oh, it's so gross. But in reality, naked little meat suits, like, talk.

[Sabrina]

Ugh.

[Corinne]

Yeah. Gross.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. Okay, so at some point in the conversation, Sam invites Faye and Danny into his hut, and they followed him inside, entering through a flap. And the. The images we have are all, like, reimagined drawings after the fact, obviously, but. So it's like this metal hut built almost into the side of a hill. It had no windows. And once Sam showed them inside, Sam, like, removed his hat. Like, now we're inside. Take the hat off. Which is an interesting little.

[Corinne]

Some manners.

[Sabrina]

Etiquette.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

He showed Danny and Faye around. The hut had two floors. The lower level was wallpapered in blue green with a pattern of dials, and there was simple wooden furniture, but not much else. The upper level was smaller and the floor was metallic. Faye and Danny continued to speak with Sam, and Sam told them that he had just made his hut and that he fed on berries in the late afternoon. But if he ever ran out of berries, there was a camp on the mainland that he could go to, which makes me think that there are other versions of him or people like him. On the mainland, huh?

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

He also told them he drank the water from the river, but it was only drinkable after he cleansed it, Which I'm like, how do you clean it?

[Corinne]

Yeah. Like, what sort of cleansing?

[Sabrina]

I don't know. Sam showed the children how he ate his berries, but this was like a magic trick. He basically placed a berry in one of his ears. He thrust his head forward, and the berry disappeared. Then it reappeared in front of their eyes, and then it moved by itself into Sam's mouth.

[Corinne]

Like, again. What a difficult way to. To consume food. Food, like. Well, I think he can't just be straightforward. Why do you have to put it through your ear first?

[Sabrina]

No, I think he was, like, trying to show them, like, how playful he can be. And, like, he has magic. He can make things levitate, and he can make things move. And then popped it in his mouth without using his hands.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Maybe that's why it's so much easier for him. He might have wooden arms, but he

[Corinne]

doesn't have to do anything.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, yeah.

[Corinne]

Maybe, like, his body isn't even his body at all. Like, his being is like, this consciousness.

[Sabrina]

Right.

[Corinne]

That can be put into any form.

[Sabrina]

Is this how he appeared to show Himself to children. Like, almost clown.

[Corinne]

Like, because he's a little like Pinocchio. Like, yeah, giant doll, clown toy.

[Sabrina]

Like, that might not actually be what he looks like for real, But. So anyway, Faye and Dany spend, like, 30 minutes with Sam. I'm not clear how the conversation ended or, like, what when they decided it was time to leave. But at the end, Sam showed them out of his hut and he waved goodbye like a very, like, nice to know ya. Have a good one. Faye and Dany just leave the hut, and they are, besides themselves. They are seven years old, full of excitement. They fully believe they just spent time with a ghost. And so they start running home. And the first person they see, I think they cross paths with someone on the golf course. They excitedly jump up and down. They're like, we just saw a ghost. We just saw a ghost. And this man that they see is kind of laughing it off, but then they double down, and then the man kind of gets annoyed with him and is like, stop lying. Like, go home, you foolish kids.

[Corinne]

Ruining my tea time.

[Sabrina]

Right? And so then Faye and Dany get embarrassed and then start to question themselves and feel dismissed. So they return home and they don't tell anyone.

[Corinne]

Ugh, that's such a bummer. But Faye also, I feel like that should alert someone. Like, no matter who it is, if someone's doubling down, children outside running out of the woods saying, we just saw a ghost would, like, even if you don't believe that they saw a ghost, wouldn't you wonder if they saw a human being in the woods?

[Sabrina]

It's 1973.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Kids are running around. Kids the era seen and not heard

[Corinne]

of those commercials where it was like, have you seen your kids today? Do you know where your kids are? Do you know where your kids are? Have you hugged your child? Here's an example of how to hug your children.

[Sabrina]

Right? So I understand why, like, no one believed them. And also why they were like, get off my golf course. So anyway, Faye and Danny return home. They're not siblings, so they go to their respective homes. They keep to themselves. They don't tell anyone, but naturally, they can't stop thinking about it. Every day for weeks, Faye is consumed by memories of her interaction with Sam. So finally, three weeks after meeting Sam, Faye told her father, who we'll call Mr. Y, because that's the alias he's given for privacy reasons. Faye tells her father, Mr. Y, what she saw. And Mr. Y remembers the day clearly. It was June 2, 1973, that Faye came to him with this wild Story of a clown like creature by the brook. And Mr. Y is asking a lot of questions. He's, you know, not trying to be completely dismissive of his daughter, but also he's skeptical. Yeah, he doesn't quite believe it. He's asking a lot of questions. He asks if she made it up and Faye gets really upset by it. And Mr. Y is like, I probably would not have believed my daughter had I not had my own very strange encounter months before his daughter encountered Sam, that he had never told anyone.

[Corinne]

Oh, months before. For a moment I was like, did he find him when he was a kid and this is like a, a familial thing? Yes.

[Sabrina]

No. So months before. So this encounter happened in May of 1973, October 20, 1972. Around 7pm Mr. Y was driving from Shanklin to ride on Seaview Road to see a friend. It's late at night, he's passing through braiding. He was about to turn right to St. Helens when he became aware of something in the sky. So he squints his eyes to get a better look. And he made out a large multi lit aircraft. And this thing is enormous, moving in a strange manner, kind of flying low over the swampy area. He was so taken aback by it that he stops his car to get out to try to like get a better look at it and understand what he's seeing.

[Corinne]

He watches also not like the mainland. Like this is, this is an island. This is an island. There's one place to land.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. He watched this aircraft, it hovered over the river Yar. And he watched these like wide ring of. He counted it was like at least seven lights, each of them super large sphere like and bright cherry red. They were interspersed with. Between the lights was like a turquoise and white light. And despite its size, no sound could be heard.

[Corinne]

Ufo.

[Sabrina]

So he watches it for some time and it kind of just stays there. And he's like, well I'm supposed to get to my friends. I'm gonna get back in my car. He keeps driving.

[Corinne]

Just ignore this miraculous sighting.

[Sabrina]

I mean he stopped for a while but like what's he going to do?

[Corinne]

So it's not like they have cell phones to be like, oh my God, yeah, come meet me out here.

[Sabrina]

So he's alone, he keeps driving and his eyes remain on this aircraft because he can still see it. And it starts to move almost flying parallel with him. And then it seemed to meander lights and shape were changing. The size of it was changing. So again now Mr. Y is like, I need to stop. Like this thing is doing different things now and it's flying parallel with me. He stops again, gets out of his car, watches it again. He takes out his flashlight because he has a flashlight in his car because it's 1973, you know, prepared. And he shines the light towards this aircraft and in like reflection of it, he's like, I feel like that's maybe where I went wrong. Because it's almost like he communicated with it and let the aircraft know he

[Corinne]

was there and he could see it.

[Sabrina]

Eventually he got back on his car and kept driving, but this craft kept moving with him to the point that when he arrived to his friend's house, his friend came outside and they both watched the aircraft and it almost seemed to be playing a game of hide and seek. They would be looking at it and they would be talking about it and it would duck down below the trees to hide and then like pop back out. And then when they would talk about it again, see it again, it would pop back down. It was like playing hide and see.

[Corinne]

Very interesting. It's also interesting to think that like the ufo, the actual physical ufo, can be seen without noise. But potentially the species or whatever like is intelligent inside, needs to play a jingle to be seen.

[Sabrina]

Or is there a noise, a frequency that we can't audibly hear, but it is playing.

[Corinne]

And then I guess it's like the question is why? Why play it? Why do we need to see? What's the point of seeing?

[Sabrina]

Or maybe it doesn't do it purposefully for this. Like, maybe aircrafts don't do it purposefully and not everyone can pick up on it, but some people do. Like, you know those hearing tests where it's like, can you hear this?

[Corinne]

Those of us who haven't suffered hearing loss.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

Which is not me. I'm deaf in one ear. I'm, I'm so deaf, it's so bad.

[Sabrina]

A lot of nodding and yes.

[Corinne]

Uh huh.

[Sabrina]

I have no idea what you're saying, but yes. Okay. So Mr. Y goes into his friends and after like they, you know, they had their night and then he got back into his car at the end of the night and looked to the night sky. The aircraft is nowhere to be seen. So he thought this is the end of it. He's like, what a strange experience that I had. But he thought that would be the end of it. But for weeks after that night in October, Mr. Y would see the same aircraft or strange single red balls of light in the sky following him. And he just knew in his gut, like it was watching him again, going back to like, the shine and the flashlight on them. Like it almost felt like now they were keeping tabs on him. This went on for months and Mr. Y never felt threatened by it. But he definitely had this sense of being watched, which was like, not. He wasn't a fan of it. He's like, well, I don't know what this is. What does it want? But again, he wasn't scared of it until one night that he recalls being terrifying. It was March 1st of 1973. And keep in mind, his daughter sees Sam the Sandown Clown two months later. So two months prior to his daughter's experience, March 1, 1973, Mr. Y drove out to the cliffside at Compton bay. It's around 9 or 10pm I'm not sure what brought him out here, but he's looking out at the water and just like enjoying this view, relaxing, who knows when all of a sudden he has this like, urge. Something is telling him to turn his view and look at a specific spot in the water. The second he moves his eyes to the spot that he felt called to look at, something starts happening in the water. Like it's tides are being created in this one spot. It reminds me of in the movie Aquamarina when she gets pushed into the water and her dad is like trying to pull her back and like the tides all change and it's almost like a whirl, whirlpool in the ocean and they're trying to pull Aquamarina home. This is happening and it feels like something is emerging from beneath the water. And he has fear, but he's frozen in this fear. Something is moving beneath the surface. And slowly something emerged. Two points of light. They were yellow and appeared like eyes. Mr. Y was filled with dread as these yellow eyes peered up at him like the eyes of a horrible sea monster. They were some 40ft away from where he was on the cliffside, and they stared at him before disappearing back beneath the surface of the ocean waters. This is a drawing.

[Corinne]

It's so bizarre. But I guess like, again, to my point of it, like there's some sort of other consciousness and it can either, like you said, take the form of. Or I was like, it can create something and then like jump inside of it. It's testing out who to be here.

[Sabrina]

It's confusing. Mr. Y was in shock and disbelief. The waters calmed again and he was like, did any of that actually just happen? Like there's. There's no evidence of something beneath the water anymore. Everything's calm again. Somehow he's able to gather himself and he drives back home and he never told a single soul. The only person who had any knowledge of like some UFO sighting was his friend whose house he had gone over to that one night, also saw it. But that's it. So yeah, he told no one. Not a single soul.

[Corinne]

Which I understand because you're like, what the hell did I just see? No one's going to believe me. I feel so crazy. Yeah.

[Sabrina]

So.

[Corinne]

And also like they live on an island. Like you don't want to be like the kooky person.

[Sabrina]

Right. But imagine a couple months later how strange it must feel for his daughter, his seven year old daughter to approach him with a equally bizarre, very different, very different, but equally as strange encounter and otherworldly, like very. And despite how odd it is and like, like he recalls, like had he not had his own experience, he very much would have believed that this was not a real thing. He wouldn't have believed her. But he's like, what are the chances that we both have such strange, odd encounters and they're not connected?

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

So he's like, I don't know why, I don't know what, but this feels too weird to like, to be a coincidence. So Mr. Y asks his daughter a lot of questions. He's trying to figure it out. He even goes back to the location where Faye said she encountered this entity. But of course there was nothing there. Nothing that he could see at least. Which does make me think that it is something that we can't physically see in this realm. Kind of like the Nanahi people.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Where they have this whole civilization, but it's only if they allow you to see it can you see them.

[Corinne]

For some reason, it feels so much more believable to me to have the Fae world open up and invite people in than this kind of clunky wooden clown like creature, like just not to butt off shame this being. But like, I just don't understand how it works.

[Sabrina]

No, it is very confusing. But I think also that's the point, is that we don't know what we don't know.

[Corinne]

And it's very like wizard of Oz in a way where it's like it almost feels like he was turned into the Tin man and now he's scared of everything.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. So then Mr. White also goes to speak with the boy who had been with Faye during the experience. And the child is like at first hesitant to talk, probably because he had stayed silent for three months, hadn't told anyone. But when he did finally open up and share his version of the events. Pretty much every detail is the same, including the three fingers, three toes, which is so specific.

[Corinne]

Very.

[Sabrina]

So Mr. Y is trying to spend, like, trying. Trying to figure out what was happening.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

But also slightly concerned that these aliens and beings, or whatever they were, are now watching his family. Like, he saw those eyes. And then a couple months later, his daughter encounters this thing in the woods. Like, Right, you're concerned.

[Corinne]

As a parent to the daughter's perspective, this thing seemed like it was like, oh, gosh, I was scared. I wasn't expecting to see anyone. I'm scared of humans. But, like, is that a ruse to try to get closer to the children?

[Sabrina]

Yeah. So he's vacillating between. Is this a hallucination that, like, I just, by having my own, I, like, passed it to my child in some way?

[Corinne]

Or did they know maybe all their neighbors were experiencing the same thing? But people feel so.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, I don't think they were, because we'll learn in a second. But. But he's like, did we hallucinate or did we interact with some, like, alien species?

[Corinne]

Yes. Is there a carbon monoxide leak in our house?

[Sabrina]

Yeah, exactly. Lead poisoning. And apparently Faye had. In her story, when she told her dad, she had mentioned that they passed a couple of workmen in the wooded area. And the way that she explained it was they could see her and this boy talking to Sam the Sandown clown, but they almost didn't see it. So that was what made Mr. Y think maybe this is a different reality that they entered.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Anyway, it's confusing. So then, over time, he continues to have more questions than answers, and he begins to share this odd story with a couple people here and there, because that's what it is, just a weird thing that happened to him and his daughter. But then he spoke with someone named Leonard Cramp, and I looked it up, and Leonard Cramp is a pioneer UFO researcher who lives on the Isle of Wight. So perfect person for Mr. Wide to have talked to.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Leonard has written many books on UFOs and gravity and the cosmic matrix, and he's posed a lot of theories and attempted to examine those. One of his studies has been about sound and how sound can alter your reality.

[Corinne]

I feel like you're choosing a lot of things recently, a lot of topics that have to do with sound, because

[Sabrina]

I think that's the key.

[Corinne]

It literally is like, I'm looking into hypnobirthing and stuff, because I'm like, I gotta make it a little bit further without getting the epidural this time. Cause I'm convinced that's what slowed down and messed some things up last time, which is another conspiracy in and of itself. But like that's a lot of the thing is like the different like hurts and listening to different sounds or whatever and like how it. The meditation, half the meditation is like sound and vibration. Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Crazy. Okay. But. So through their conversations, Leonard convinces Mr. Y to report his and Faye's experiences to the British UFO Research association. Which is B U F O R a B fora I'm gonna call it that. For shorts. For shorts. For shorts.

[Corinne]

Before I was trying to lengthen the word short, but short made it longer.

[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

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[Corinne]

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[Sabrina]

She this morning was like. Because I was FaceTiming with my sister and she was like, mama, can I have a treat now?

[Corinne]

A little treat?

[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

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[Sabrina]

Before it was founded in 1964 and its purpose was to investigate UFO phenomena in the British Isles. Today they say they investigate around 400 cases yearly, and 95% of those end up being debunked. Meaning, like they can explain it with rational reason. But that also means that 5% are considered confirmed sightings.

[Corinne]

Yeah. Which is so crazy because, like, the British Isles, the uk, it's so small. It is such a small area.

[Sabrina]

But there are a lot of aliens.

[Corinne]

There are so many aliens, so many ghosts, so many. Just like weird black eyed kids. Like, like so many weird things. Yeah. Lake monsters, everything.

[Sabrina]

Ocean monster, something. Sea monsters or aliens underwater.

[Corinne]

I don't know what's going on so much. Did the Titanic actually strike an iceberg or was it ripped underground by a giant sea monster?

[Sabrina]

Yeah, probably that.

[Corinne]

I never heard that conspiracy, but I haven't never make it up either.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, but who knows? Technically, icebergs can be like. They feel like giant sea monsters.

[Corinne]

Yes, they do.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

And who's to say a giant sea monster didn't throw the iceberg at the ship?

[Sabrina]

You heard it here first, folks.

[Corinne]

The truth about the Titanic. Ice spit everywhere.

[Sabrina]

Okay, so Regardless, Leonard tells Mr. Y that he should share his story with Bifora. And finally, in 1978, five years after his and Faye's encounters with whatever they encountered Mr. Y tells before. And this is why we have the story today. So Baphora published the story in their January February Journal of 1978. And like, you can read the original journal, which I did for this episode, but this was the COVID of the journal. It was volume six, number five. And the front cover says ghost or spaceman? Because it, while it does look really weird, it does have, like, astronauty vibes to it.

[Corinne]

Yeah. Space suit esque.

[Sabrina]

Right. So it's the COVID of. Or the drawing of Sam, the Sandown Clown, as he's now lovingly called, is the COVID of the. Of the journal. So Mr. Y agreed to share his story as long as he and his daughter remained anonymous, which is why they're called Mr. Y and Faye in the story. And naturally, when people read this story, the consensus was, wow, that's strange. And I'm sure you're thinking that too while I'm telling you the story. It's hard to ignore the story of Sam, but it also doesn't fit most other descriptions of UFO alien encounters.

[Corinne]

Right.

[Sabrina]

So it didn't.

[Corinne]

And honestly, without having the photo, like, if they had eliminated the illustration, I almost feel like it would have had a little bit more credence.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

But like, it just feels so. Like children's book.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. It feels unbelievable.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

But so it didn't prompt this massive investigation or follow up. It just kind of existed in the world and circulated in UFO circles until recently. Because if you're into aliens and whatnot, there's recently been a lot of talk about aliens living underwater and these alien societies being in the ocean and in bodies of water. And Mr. Y's encounter with this, like, object coming up from the ocean after experiencing and seeing an aircraft in the sky has caused a resurgence of this story.

[Corinne]

Oh, interesting.

[Sabrina]

People are like, oh, maybe this shows and proves that people have been thinking that or having experiences similar to that theory for many, many years.

[Corinne]

Because right now we're getting a lot of videos from different, like, military entities across the world who have been, like, tracking objects in the water.

[Sabrina]

But Mr. Y back in 1973, just didn't know how to put words to it. As far as we know, no one else has come forward with their own encounter with Sandown Clown. So, like, you would think had they encountered something like this or even anything remotely like this, people would have come forward with the story. But as far as we know, there aren't any other encounters. There is one encounter from Nova Scotia that mentions all colors, Sam, but I couldn't find the actual encounter. Like, it was, like, reported that there was another encounter with that mention, but I couldn't find the actual encounter.

[Corinne]

I'm so curious what he means by all colors.

[Sabrina]

I almost feel like he is like, the universe.

[Corinne]

Yeah. Or was he trying to say, like, I'm just like you, no matter what you look like?

[Sabrina]

Maybe. Yeah. I don't know.

[Corinne]

I don't know. But yeah, no, my first inclination was just like, I am everything, right? All colors. Everything you can perceive and see.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. Is. I am that.

[Corinne]

Is this God?

[Sabrina]

God, is that you?

[Corinne]

Is this our creator?

[Sabrina]

He has this, like, little microphone.

[Corinne]

Not religious.

[Sabrina]

Let's create a new religion all around. Sam the Sandown Clown.

[Corinne]

Yeah, just like the. What was that? Spaghetti religion.

[Sabrina]

What's that?

[Corinne]

Do you remember that?

[Sabrina]

No.

[Corinne]

Someone created a religion worshiping the Spaghetti Monster.

[Sabrina]

I'm down for spaghetti Monster.

[Corinne]

I think it, like, lived in the sky and was made of spaghetti.

[Sabrina]

Like cloudy with a chance of meatballs.

[Corinne]

Yeah. He's the reason there's a lake in the boat.

[Sabrina]

There's also a shaman named Krita Mutwa who described an alien entity with very similar features to Sam the Sandown Clown. But otherwise there haven't been any encounters like the one that Faye had. So again, this story has, for the most part, remained pretty underground. But then in November 2025, so very, very recently, a writer and researcher named Paul at Wilson has spoken on multiple podcasts and revealed that he tracked Faye down and discovered that Fae has had multiple other encounters with Sam throughout her life.

[Corinne]

Interesting.

[Sabrina]

Paul lives on the Isle of Wight and has a background in studying pre medieval history on the island. And he grew up hearing this story of Faye and Sam the Sandown Clown. So he has spent many years trying to, like, track her down. The encounters are a little vague. Like, very vague, that it almost leaves you wondering, like, did he really track down Faye or is he kind of just, like, adding to his story? Because he can. Because no one actually knows the real identity of Faye. It's unclear. Oh, but he has reported that Faye, according to Faye, she has had at least four additional encounters with Sam. So the first encounter occurred in May of 1973. And according to Paul, Faye also saw Sam in 1982, in 1983, 1984 and 1989. And these weren't these, like, grand encounters. It was more of like, Faye and Sam had become friends after that first day. And so Sam occasionally would, like, check in and just be like, hi, old

[Corinne]

friend, little Indrid Cold style.

[Sabrina]

Thank you for bringing that up. Because a lot of people do relate this encounter to Indrid Cold, because Indrid Cold and Project Lanulos, which we have

[Corinne]

an entire episode about, if you don't know.

[Sabrina]

But two parter or just a one parter? I can't remember.

[Corinne]

Oh, I can't remember either. I think it was a two parter.

[Sabrina]

It took over my life, so it was forever. But they're two alien type Encounters that don't fit the stereotypical alien encounters because,

[Corinne]

like, injured cold would like, kick it with the guy.

[Sabrina]

Like, they'd like, hang out like in

[Corinne]

the rocking chair in the pontificate about the world porch.

[Sabrina]

And then sometimes he'd take him to his planet.

[Corinne]

Right.

[Sabrina]

So I'm not sure how reliable this Paul is and these other encounters with Faye and Sam, but it does seem like Sam was friendly and was terrified of humans. But there was something about Faye and Danny that made Sam reveal himself. Maybe he was lonely or maybe he knew that children were innocent and would not hurt him and he could seek companionship with them. I don't know. But what the heck is Sam? That's the question. That's the question most people have been left with. There are a couple theories. The first one is that this was all a result of Faye's imagination and that she like, created a shared hallucination with her friend. Other people are like, they created the story after the fact. And it was inspired by Stephen King's it, but it didn't come out until like many, many years later. Let's see when did come out.

[Corinne]

And like, aside from some clown like features, it doesn't have any similarities to it.

[Sabrina]

Right. 1986 was when it was written, but the journal was published in 1978. So years before and the experience was 1973, some people were like, it was just a human dressed up in a costume. Which is a horrifying theory.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

And then also, if that were true, they would have found evidence of this hut or something. Because that would mean it was something in our own reality.

[Corinne]

Right.

[Sabrina]

And then, of course, alien. And this is where a lot of people bring up and compare him to Indrid Cold, the Grinning man, especially the way that he. The way that Mr. Y saw the UFO and then the Sam encounter happened. Like, it does feel like they're connected, maybe of the same species, maybe of telepathically communicating. Telepathically communicating.

[Corinne]

Being very friendly.

[Sabrina]

The way that he said he was a ghost in a way, but wasn't a ghost. Like, it was his way of describing that he was an alien. But that also has made people wonder if he's more of like cryptid Fae, especially because he talked about food and like invited them into the hut, which feels very Fae. Like he didn't offer them food, but he showed them his food, which is a very like Fae thing. And then he spoke in riddles. Almost true. Which feels Fae. Like you lured children in things like that. Yeah. Exists just outside of our reality.

[Corinne]

Either way, and is by a body of water.

[Sabrina]

And I will get to that in a second because I found this. I'm gonna straight up rip off someone from Reddit because they created this like basically analysis of the encounter and like how everything about it symbolizes aliens. But I think ultimately whatever Sam is, he's some type of interdimensional being who exists in our world but not always not visible to us. Maybe uses sound to help allow other people to see him and alter the reality. And then also, is this at all connected to the history of the land and the military and these seeker operations that ran off of this island? Is it connected to the dinosaurs, the rich soil? I don't know. Maybe it's all connected. Okay, but now. So the user was. It's like they posted it like eight years ago and now their username's deleted. So I can't cite my source, but they broke down the first encounter and its symbolism and connection to alien encounters. They were found at a bridge which is a symbol of transition between two locals or states of consciousness. And it's water. The being's hand emerged from the water, which is a classic symbol of the collective unconscious, the spiritual or meta subjective world. It's also a literal representation of emerging from a wave like intangible medium, AKA from a different plane or frequency, which correlates with what it says later about being like a ghost in this world, but not a ghost. It's the absurdity of its physical form which seems composed from symbols or ideas rather than actual matter. So it's like trying to exist based on our human brains.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

And it has three fingers, which is a common symbol for aliens. And it produces a book which is a symbol for knowledge of the world. And it drops the book. And this user was like, I doubt it really dropped it. I think it was part of the miming and the communication.

[Corinne]

It's hard because it's like that's an incredible amount of performance and meaning to put behind an interaction with a seven year old human child. And then is this just a human example of how humans try to assign meaning to everything?

[Sabrina]

Totally. But I do believe that this alien creature is incredibly intelligent and knows what it's doing. But I also think it was lonely.

[Corinne]

But like, again, it goes back to like, what's the point?

[Sabrina]

And I'm also now trying to assign human feelings to something that's clearly not human.

[Corinne]

Right. But it didn't say it was lonely.

[Sabrina]

No, it didn't say that. It just said it was. I said that.

[Corinne]

Oh, oh yeah.

[Sabrina]

It said that it was alone and there were others like it. But he was alone here, which we don't know why.

[Corinne]

But didn't he say he was scared of humans?

[Sabrina]

Scared of humans?

[Corinne]

So scared.

[Sabrina]

Yeah. Human emotion, which means that it chooses not to show itself to humans because the fear of humans hurting it was so great. Meaning that there's a history of humans hurting their beings. So what do you think it is?

[Corinne]

I literally don't know. Like, this. Like, did the dinosaurs interact with this thing? Like, how old is it?

[Sabrina]

We don't know.

[Corinne]

I. I have not an inkling of idea of what this could possibly be. Like. This is.

[Sabrina]

I know it's wild. It doesn't remind you of, like, Narnia a little bit?

[Corinne]

Yeah, totally.

[Sabrina]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

Well, it all goes back to. I feel like there's so many alien abduction stories where, like, people actually get taken and they get, like, tested on or. Like, there's some sort of, like, knowledge exchange or just, like, information gathered. Like, there's just, like. It feels like there's more purpose, but similar to injured cold. Even with the injured cold, the Grinning man case, like, there was like, oh, well, look at how humans can evolve and. And what you can be and how, like, love and universal understanding. Like, there was still some meaning assigned to it. But this is like. Like what? Like what. What happened? They hung out maybe five more times. What happened in those five times? Was there some sort of information dump to, like, help us understand the universe or something? Or was this just some. And also, does it need to mean anything? Or can people just interact with other species and aliens and formations and not need to actually be for any purpose?

[Sabrina]

Right. Or. I don't know. There's a part of me that I'm like, if Faye has continued to communicate with Sam and has gotten some message, but Sam has expressed to not share it with the world or, like, is afraid. And so Faye hasn't come forward to share anything. But maybe at some point they will. Because if I were Faye at this point in my life, I'd be like, yeah, I'll talk about it. I'll be open. Unless there's a reason to not be open.

[Corinne]

Or if Faye never really got visited again, and this is all just a fabrication of that one author. It makes me think about all the other people who are saying that they're getting alien communication and how different the types of beings are. And I'm like, are there just a bunch of different alien species that are all trying to communicate through these particular people, or is this, like, one particular thing that's showing up differently and spreading different, like, iterations of itself to try to connect with as many humans as possible.

[Sabrina]

That's so tricky because, like, in my mind, I'm like, I for sure believe that there are so many different types of aliens in the universe. Our universe is infinite. I think you're. I'm going to say, I think you're dumb if you don't think aliens are real. Like, I think you're very close minded.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

Like, and aliens don't have to be like, E.T. they don't have to be Sam the Sandown clown either. They could be, like, literal, just like microbiomes.

[Corinne]

Yes. Or things that we can't even. That we don't even understand. Yeah.

[Sabrina]

But there is. There is matter that exists outside of our bubble. 100%.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Sabrina]

So I don't know. But I believe in Sam the Sandown clown. And I actually would like to meet Sam.

[Corinne]

Yeah, it's. It's interesting.

[Sabrina]

And that's so weird. So, like, this story has become a lot more popularized lately because of all the ocean stuff. Like, we had three or four. I know Eric from Patreon recommended it, but we. We had like three or four people Be like, have you looked into Sam the Sandown clown? That. It was like, enough people where I was like, well, now I need to.

[Corinne]

Yeah. Like, what is this? The clown thing is so confusing. And of course, I did not pick an alien story because you said in our little tracker where we keep track of our. What topics are coming up so we don't choose the same thing. You put alien clown. So I was like, oh, I'll lean on the clown side. Of course, that was the wrong way to go.

[Sabrina]

I know. I was gonna text you and I was gonna say, like, if you can find something that's clown and alien, bonus points. But I also didn't wanna spoil anything

[Corinne]

that did not happen. Yeah, you just went clown for me. I just went straight clown.

[Sabrina]

That's fine.

[Corinne]

Well, here's the thing. A haunted clown isn't actually a clown either. It's a ghost, sort of.

[Sabrina]

And what are ghosts?

[Corinne]

Or is it. Or is it Sam?

[Sabrina]

And Sam's not quite a ghost, but in a way, he is. So here we go.

[Corinne]

Here we go.

[Sabrina]

It all connects.

[Corinne]

We found a way. This is from our listener, Amber. Hello. Boy, do I have a story for you.

[Sabrina]

Okay.

[Corinne]

When I was about three, my grandma got me a wind up clown doll. It was a little over a foot tall. It wore a pink and white silk jumpsuit with a matching hat, had black shoes, large painted Blue eyes and clown makeup with white fluffy hair and a ball on its nose that would spin when it walked. This thing was creepy enough to look at, but when you wound it up to make it move, it would play this haunting music box style song. That is enough to make me get goosebumps just thinking about it. After a little over a year of having this monstrosity, my parents decided to sell it at a car boot sale. Similar to a yard sale, but in England. Everyone sort of just congregates in a large field or parking lot and sells them out of their trunks.

[Sabrina]

Like it. Yeah, yeah.

[Corinne]

After a few hours of being there, some buffoon took a liking to this creep show of a toy and paid whatever low, low price my parents were offering to get it off of our hands. Anyway, spring forward a few weeks and in the middle of the night, we hear that song. My dad came into my room to look for the toy. I was already awake and crying because I didn't understand what was happening and why. My dad just stormed into my room, but we couldn't find anything. A few days later, the same song came tinkling through the house again, but this time my dad realized that it wasn't coming from my room or another room. It was coming from the attic. So he pulled out the ladder, went up to the attic, only to find a horrifying melody coming from the middle of the attic floor, where, you guessed it, the clown was walking. Walking. Yep. Like wound up and walking around the attic. Not only had that thing somehow made it back to the house, but it had been wound up enough on more than one occasion to be able to walk and play its creepy little song,

[Sabrina]

always in the middle of the night,

[Corinne]

spinning on its nose. My dad grabbed the doll, took it outside, burned it in a trash can. And since that, we have not had any more problems with it, thankfully. But I will never, ever forget that horrible, horrible toy. I'm not sure why my grandma thought that this was a good choice, but yeah, led to a cool story. Stay spooky and keep putting out the amazing podcast. See you on the other side, Amber.

[Sabrina]

What the heck? And it's also like, yes, it was creepy before they had tried to sell it, but it was once they sold

[Corinne]

it that it really that it came. I mean, it came back, things coming back, and it going into the attic. It's not just like it showed up again in the garage or something where you're like, maybe the person tracked me down. And like, you can't assign any sort of logical reasoning to it just appearing

[Sabrina]

Again in the attic and it going off in the middle of the night. It's not like it's randomly going off and like the battery is dead and you're hearing it constantly. No, it's the middle of the night in the attic, meaning something has to be winding it up to make it move and do its thing.

[Corinne]

And it's not like the dad is just pranking his daughter in some cool way. Terrified by it. It's scared he's burning it in the trash can and trying to get rid of it.

[Sabrina]

No thanks.

[Corinne]

Would much rather encounter Sam than this wind up old clown doll toy.

[Sabrina]

100% Sam over this. Wow.

[Corinne]

Well, dang.

[Sabrina]

Well, dang.

[Corinne]

What a delightful episode, wouldn't you say? Everyone get down on your hands and knees and move.

[Sabrina]

Shake your booty and move.

[Corinne]

No clapping, just mooing.

[Sabrina]

Just mooing. Mooing and booing. That's what we do here at two Girls and Ghosts and make up stories about the Titanic being it's not made up by a cryptid that lurched iceberg at it.

[Corinne]

Yeah, those things. Hey, if other people rewrite history, why can't I?

[Sabrina]

And you're doing it in a less harmful way. Yeah, so there's that. Please email us your encounters, your ghost stories. If you've encountered any aliens like Sam the Sandown clown, or if you know more about Sam the Sandown clown, or if you just experience anything paranormal, please email us to 2girls1ghost podcast, gmail.com. if you're not sure how to spell that, it's in the description. It's also on our website. You can find it. You got this. We believe in you.

[Corinne]

You got here. You already have. Way better.

[Sabrina]

We're proud of you for that too. If you want episodes one week early and ad free, you can join us over on Patreon. We also have bonus content there. We have witch classes, book club. We also every Tuesday have campfire stories where people can come share their ghost stories live on a zoom call. It's very fun, very spooky and it's also just such a great community.

[Corinne]

Thank you to Jamie Ryan who edits and produces our podcast. Thank you, Jamie. And thank you to all of you. We love you and we will see you on the other side.

[Sabrina]

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[Corinne]

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[Corinne]

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[Corinne]

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