256: That's Suspicious Ft. Taylor Tomlinson

Summary

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Podcast Summary: “Two Hot Takes”

Episode 256: "That's Suspicious" Ft. Taylor Tomlinson

Air date: February 19, 2026
Host: Morgan Absher
Guest: Taylor Tomlinson

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Episode Overview

This lively, emotionally charged episode of “Two Hot Takes” features host Morgan Absher and comedian Taylor Tomlinson diving into some of the most head-spinning relationship and AITA (Am I The Asshole) stories from Reddit and listener write-ins. With Taylor’s signature wit and vulnerability and Morgan’s rapid-fire, true crime-honed skepticism, the pair react in real-time to confounding confessions, “updates” that never come, and relationship dilemmas that veer from the slightly odd to the genuinely disturbing.

Theme:
The main theme is tackling the bizarre, wild, and morally ambiguous corners of online relationship confessions, using both humor and honest, insightful perspective from two women well-versed in therapy, boundary-setting, and the art of catastrophizing.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Taylor Tomlinson’s Influence and “Vibe Check”

• [01:00-04:45]
  • Morgan gushes over Taylor’s Netflix specials, describing her as "vulnerable, inspiring" and "destigmatizing mental health".
  • Taylor jokes about YouTube comments on her wardrobe, sparking a discussion on social media and constructive criticism versus personal attacks.
    • Taylor: “If they’re just like, your outfit sucks, I’m like, OK. I dressed myself and I’m not a professional, so I know.” ([02:41])
  • They touch on the challenge of evolving under public scrutiny while maintaining authenticity, sharing stories of feeling “seen” through comedy.

2. Crowd Confessions and Greatest Hits

• [05:34-09:19]
  • Taylor shares about her “Crowd Confessions” segment on tour, where audience members divulge wild and personal stories (sex in a tent, unique post-mortem wishes, barrel jeans debates).
  • Both discuss why some confessions feel shocking while others are oddly sweet or community-building.

3. STORY 1: Hidden Camera Mystery

Title: “I (30F) found a mystery digital camera in my husband’s (32M) belongings” [11:37-19:48]

• Found a camera in a biscuit tin with dozens of photos of her own belongings, sometimes in pairs.
• Morgan and Taylor vacillate between the possibilities (sweet sentimentality vs. serial killer prelude vs. insurance photos vs. evidence for cheating).
  • Taylor: “He didn’t do anything wrong. It’s just weird. And I want to know really badly...” ([14:22])
• Speculations abound: insurance, tracking movements, or prepping to hide an affair. The lack of closure haunts both.
  • Taylor, exasperated: “This show is hell. Are they all like this?” ([17:17])

Notable moment:
Taylor’s deep existential discomfort with unresolved stories and her pledge to ask friends about the camera scenario, unable to shake the unsettling possibilities.

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4. STORY 2: The Secret Room

Title: “AITA for not telling my fiancée about a secret room?” [21:09-29:23]

• OP reveals a secret room behind a bookcase after 8 months together; fiancée is furious, feeling betrayed; OP wonders if they’re in the wrong.
• Morgan and Taylor debate whether a “secret room” is cute or a red flag, with a comic gender twist:
  • Taylor: “If it’s a man, you’re disgusting and I hate you. If it’s a woman, I love it and I think you should have kept the secret forever.” ([26:18])
• Discussion on surprises, intention vs. impact, and when a secret crosses into untrustworthy.

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5. STORY 3: The Phantom Pregnancy

Title: “AITA for questioning my engagement after my fiancé got mad at me for drinking while pregnant” [30:45-48:47]

• A fiancé wrongly believes OP is pregnant after misreading a found test (actually his mother’s), proposes out of misplaced duty, shames her for drinking at a party, then spirals further.
  • Taylor sees the twist coming: “My guess is it’s his mom is pregnant.” ([34:29])
• The genuinely mature response from OP—breaking off the engagement, calling for more communication—earns praise from both hosts.
  • Morgan: “I think she handled this great.” ([47:33])

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6. Therapy, Trust, and "Gut Feelings"

[39:10-44:41]

• Taylor reflects on personal growth, the difference between gut and anxiety, and the relief (sometimes) of being proven right about cheating.
  • Taylor: “Eventually if you go through enough, you actively try to give people the benefit of the doubt because it’s not your natural state.” ([40:22])
• The role of therapy in detecting red flags, self-soothing, and balancing “catastrophizing” with healthy skepticism.

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7. STORY 4: The Escape Room "Kidnapping"

Title: “AITA for kidnapping my fiancée for her birthday to take her to an escape room — she is so pissed at me.” [50:10-57:16]

• OP “surprises” his escape room-loving fiancée by having her and himself forcibly thrown into a van in a fake kidnapping prank, causing her to panic, flee, and call 911.
  • Taylor: “Imagine if your husband did this and then had the audacity to be like, 'What’s wrong, babe?’” ([54:07])
• The hosts slam the utter lack of empathy and common sense, agreeing this is an obvious You Are The Asshole.
  • Morgan about the escape van owner: “That seems destined to end badly.” ([56:55])

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8. STORY 5: Never-Send Therapy Letter

Title: “Am I wrong for refusing to apologize to my fiancée’s mom for something I wrote in a never-send therapy letter?” [59:12-68:43]

• OP’s fiancé snoops in her private therapy journal, finds harsh unsent words about his overbearing mother, and demands she apologize to his mom.
• Both hosts are unequivocal: the violation of OP’s privacy is the true betrayal, and the demand to “repair the family” is a manipulative red flag.
  • Taylor (firmly): “Dude, who cares about his mom? Break up with him. Are you serious?” ([64:13])
  • Morgan: “Sunken cost fallacy is a construct in your head. Like, go, run.” ([66:40])

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9. STORY 6: Locked Out in the Snow

Title: “Am I overreacting? My husband locked me out of the house for 25 minutes.” [72:39-83:11]

• Pregnant wife, after a disagreement about letting kids play in the snow, gets locked out by her husband for half an hour as “punishment”.
• Both hosts are appalled, labeling it as malicious, abusive, and out of all proportion—even as OP worries she’s “overreacting”.
  • Taylor: “That just seems so crazy…that’s malicious and intentional.” ([75:59])
  • Morgan: “The minute you start punishing your partner, it is abuse. Like, even stonewalling… I don’t know with this one.” ([76:17])
• Taylor speculates something more is going on (“Brain tumor?”), but the conclusion is the same: huge red flag.

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10. STORY 7: Secret Social Media Catfishing

Title: “My wife built a secret Facebook/Instagram page of me to befriend all my exes” [84:12-93:33]

• OP discovers wife has created fake social media profiles in his name to contact and befriend all his exes, looking for “dirt.” She denies, then confesses but deletes evidence before sharing.
  • Taylor (decisively): “Secret room doesn’t look so bad now, huh?” ([88:47])
  • Morgan: “That is way too wild. That’s unhinged behavior.” ([89:14])
• Taylor and Morgan discuss the escalation of paranoia, invasion of privacy, and how age changes what’s considered “redeemable” conduct.
  • Taylor raises a double standard on age/behavior: “You can’t do that at 31. 21...funny. 31—no.” ([89:40])

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the Camera Story:
  Taylor, bewildered: "This is the craziest thing I've ever heard. Is this bad? I kind of don't think it's bad." ([14:11])
• On the Secret Room:
  Taylor ["glass not even half full”]: “You need a secret or two. It's okay.” ([23:59])
• On Catastrophizing:
  Morgan: “I think I catastrophize a lot easier than I probably used to.” ([16:02])
• On Therapy Letters:
  Taylor (STEAMING): “Dude, who cares about his mom? Break up with him. Are you serious?” ([64:13])
• On Fake Social Media:
  Morgan, on the age double standard: “...she’s just a little unhinged, insecure… You can’t do that at 31.” ([89:14])

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Timestamps Quick Guide

| Segment | Topic | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------|--------------| | Opening banter/intro | Morgan fan-girls, Taylor on feedback, brutal social media | 01:00–05:00 | | Crowd Confessions/Live show stories | Tour antics, sex and ashes, unusual audience answers | 05:34–09:19 | | Story 1: Camera in a biscuit tin | Photos of wife’s possessions—paranoia vs. sweetness | 11:37–19:48 | | Story 2: Secret room, secret betrayal | Secret lairs, gendered reactions, surprise, trust | 21:09–29:23 | | Story 3: Phantom pregnancy proposal | Misread pregnancy test, rushed engagement, mature handling | 30:45–48:47 | | Escape Room “Kidnapping” | Surprise gone wrong, lack of empathy, obvious YTA | 50:10–57:16 | | Therapy Letter controversy | Snooping, privacy, MIL from hell, “get out now!” | 59:12–68:43 | | Locked Out in the Snow | Petty retribution, emotional abuse, pregnancy, stunned hosts| 72:39–83:11 | | Catfish Social Media: The wife’s scam | Trust, paranoia, “you’re 31!” moments, is it divorce time? | 84:12–93:33 | | Reflections, closing banter | Emotional exhaustion, humor, “math for an hour” analogy | 93:34–97:08 |

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Tone & Takeaways

• The tone is a blend of cozy vulnerability, unvarnished honesty, dry humor, and abrupt emotional whiplash as the hosts move from empathy to exasperation.
• Both Morgan and Taylor draw frequently from personal experience—therapy, family run-ins, dating horror stories—remaining supportive of people struggling but uncompromisingly critical of manipulation, punitive behavior, or clear boundary violations.
• Certain stories leave both hosts (and listeners) hungry for closure and, in the case of reader “updates,” plenty to unpack long after the episode ends.

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Final Thoughts

If you haven’t listened, this episode is a comedic-yet-serious primer on setting boundaries, surviving family drama, and developing a “gut” for what’s healthy in relationships—while never underestimating the internet’s power to traumatize, amuse, and sometimes, help you heal.
Taylor’s most quoted advice for straight men:
“Make a plan. Listen. And put yourself in other people’s shoes.” ([58:51])
The episode ends with laughter, exhaustion, and the same question both hosts and Redditors ask again and again: “Am I the crazy one for thinking this is NOT OK?”
(Moral: You’re probably not.)

Transcript

[Morgan]

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[Taylor Tomlinson]

I'm ready.

[Morgan]

Okay, we're rolling.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Can't wait.

[Morgan]

I am so excited to have you.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I'm so excited to be here. I see your clips all the time.

[Morgan]

Okay, thank you. I see your clips, but I also. You were probably the only thing. Like, your specials are the reason I went back and paid for Netflix.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Really?

[Morgan]

The new season of Bridgerton couldn't even get me back and I was like.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

The new season of Bridgerton's good? Fuck, yeah.

[Morgan]

Well, now I have it for a month, so I'm like, I can binge that. But now I'm like, they're doing it in installments and it just feels so stupid.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Right? But they're both coming out this month, basically, so you're still good. You're in the month.

[Morgan]

I just. I'm like, I'm fangirling. Cause I binged all three of your specials yesterday.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, my God, that's so nice.

[Morgan]

I started with the middle one, forgetting the name, started with the middle, went to the most recent, and then went back to the very beginning.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Wow, interesting order.

[Morgan]

Interesting order.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Interesting.

[Morgan]

Accidental, but it is amazing seeing how you've evolved, but yet you just have such a base. And like, I read through all your YouTube comments on like a bunch of clips. No, you have the nicest fans in the world.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, good. Okay, great.

[Morgan]

I know you don't read the comments because I was like, sleuthing. I went over your, like, ask me anything you did on Reddit.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, wow. You have really did your research.

[Morgan]

I had to. I hate being under prepared.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, my God. I'm so impressed.

[Morgan]

ADHD anxiety, girl. Like, you have to be prepared.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I know. I'm the same way.

[Morgan]

So I just discovered, like, you just have the nicest fans.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

They're really nice.

[Morgan]

Like, they're so concerned about if you're sleeping yet.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

They are. They're really cool.

[Morgan]

They are very concerned about your fashion. They wanna know where you get your blazers and your jackets.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's so. I mean, I have seen some comments. I wore, like, some barrel jeans once, and the comments were very divided.

[Morgan]

Really?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yes. There were, like, I think on YouTube, there was one site where people liked them, and then there was one site where people did not like them. And that's always funny to me because I'm like, I can take those pants off if you're shitting on, like, my sense of humor or my face or my body, I'm like, well, that's going to be tough for me to alter. But if they're just like, your outfit sucks. I'm like, okay, well, I dressed myself and I'm not a professional, so I know.

[Morgan]

I hate when people give you stuff and it's like, can I change it? Can I, like, can I take it off? No. Okay, then why are you telling me this?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Shh, be quiet.

[Morgan]

Why are you telling me?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You know, they're in the comments. They're all talking to each other. You. You know, they're building community, whatever they are.

[Morgan]

I mean, you. You've been described as, like, the most, like, vulnerable, inspiring women that gives people hope for the future.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Who said that?

[Morgan]

One of your commenters.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Wow. You've been described in one comment. Just.

[Morgan]

But it just, like, it kept coming up like, she's so vulnerable. She's so real. She's destigmatizing mental health. And just like all of her, she's oversharing.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

She needs more therapy.

[Morgan]

Honestly, no. You actually made me realize how much therapy I need to go do.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Really?

[Morgan]

Oh, my God. The little segment you did where you're like, you take your partner home to show them. This is why I'm mean to you sometimes like that. I'm like, yeah, no, I am my worst when I go home.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah, well. Cause you're just waiting for your family to prove you right and make you look less reactive and nuts about certain things. And you're like, this is okay. We're not going to have, like, Christmas dinner. We're going so that you can get to know me, your partner, better.

[Morgan]

Yeah, no, I'm very, very lucky that my partner still chose to marry me after going home. Truly. My worst. Like, I had a mental breakdown.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yes. It all came back up, fully triggered.

[Morgan]

I was in a hole. So I'm like, watching the latest special and I'm like, yes, yes. Thank you. You just have a way of making people, I think, feel very seen in your work. And I'm so excited for your new special than February 24th.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

February 24th. Prodigal daughter. Okay. Like, two days before, second part of Bridgerton comes out.

[Morgan]

Hey, it still doesn't matter. You're gonna be number one. We're all gonna go watch, right?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's what I am excited about that week. Yeah.

[Morgan]

Yeah. I think it's gonna be great. I'm so excited. So excited for it. So I know you're gonna be great on all these stories I have for you today.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I cannot wait.

[Morgan]

I am scared. I don't wanna go too hard on you, but I feel like out of anyone I've had, you can probably with the craziest stories. Yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, crazy.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I'm worried they'll be boring and I'll just be like, that's weird.

[Morgan]

I don't think so.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay. I can't wait.

[Morgan]

I put a couple of them on my Patreon chat today, and I was like, who do you think I should give this one? Like, here's the upcoming roster. And they go, that one, Taylor. 100%.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, my God. I cannot wait.

[Morgan]

So I think Patreon picked.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Well, I also did something on tour called Crowd Confessions this past tour where people were, like, writing it. I had certain questions that they answered. And then I was like, you know, if you need advice or you just want to share something or whatever. And like, we got a ton of crazy answers on there. So I feel like I'll be.

[Morgan]

You're prepared.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I feel like I'm prepared for this. I almost said I feel like I'll be good at this, but I don't want to seem too cocky.

[Morgan]

No. Brush the dust off your shoulder. You got this.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I'm going to crush this.

[Morgan]

People are going to be like, you cannot have another guest again.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I mean, it's Taylor only. It's ruined.

[Morgan]

What was the craziest confession you came across on tour?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, my God. Honestly, I should have one. Like, ready to go.

[Morgan]

There was someone.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You tell me one.

[Morgan]

I'll tell you. Cause I do this as well at my shows. We do hot takes, Confessions.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

And one of the craziest confessions I got came out of Chicago. Love. My Midwest people were just a little different.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

This one really rocked me, though. She wrote in and she goes, I've never told anyone this, but I actually baby trapped my now husband and he's here with me. I don't know if he was there that night, but I've never heard such a resounding just gasp and horror.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's so wild. Yeah. Mine wasn't like people write in their craziest confessions or secrets or anything. It was like I had questions that were in my hour. So it was like, how did you come out as queer? What was your queer awakening? When did you stop being religious? Do you want kids? And then people would write specific things back to them and we would kind of switch them up throughout the tour. And there was like, when and where did you first have sex? And so there were a lot of like funny ones for that where it was like one person had had like sex in a tent in the front yard of their partner's parents house.

[Morgan]

Oh, the tent.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah. Which I was like, we don't go inside. Like, I think their parents were. I think they were like gone for the weekend. But I'm like, still front yard. So there was like stuff like that.

[Morgan]

Wait, they were gone and they still chose the front yard.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's what I was confused about. Okay. That's what I was confused about. But yeah, there was a lot of interesting, like, craziest place you had sex. Like, what you want to happen to your ashes when you die was something we were asking for a while. And that was a question I asked on stage too. And people had interesting answers. Like, there are a lot of people who want to be fireworks that I know. There's a lot of people who. There was one guy once who said he wanted his ashes like shot into space, which is like such a straight guy answer.

[Morgan]

That's literally. That's unfortunately my husband.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's your husband? I'm sorry.

[Morgan]

No, it's horrible.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Sorry to your husband.

[Morgan]

And I'm like, what happens if you get harvested by an alien and then they wake you back up? This is so stupid.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

It's so much.

[Morgan]

You're gonna go orbit Earth, you and your corpse.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Like, chill out.

[Morgan]

I don't understand it.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

It's so much.

[Morgan]

I'm honestly kind of embarrassed telling you that. I'm just like, why?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Why? Feel like I'm gonna have to tell people this. Please stop.

[Morgan]

I know.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Please change your answer.

[Morgan]

Have you come up with your answer now? Are you like, hear that much? No.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Like, do you care about what I'm.

[Morgan]

Like, put me in a box.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yes. Just put me in like a cute little.

[Morgan]

I just want to Go back to the Earth.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You want to go back to the Earth? Like, you want to be, like, a tree pod? Yeah. Oh, no, no, you don't want to be that. No.

[Morgan]

That and, like, have you looked into, like, Terror Mation and Aquamation?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

No. Oh, wait, is that where they put.

[Morgan]

You in, like, the little pod and you decompose, but there's, like, actually not. It's not just happy decomposition. There's, like, grinders in those boxes.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

What?

[Morgan]

Don't look up Terra Mation. I think that's how you say it.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I can't believe you gave me a new answer that I hadn't heard after two years on the road asking this. Yeah, okay. No, no. I just want to be, like, cremated and put in a cute little I'm with you container. Get me a cute little urn. That's, like, the most planning I would do. I don't even really care if anyone has a funeral. Like, if you need that, do that.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

But I don't know. It feels very confident to make, like, a whole plan for a funeral and send your family somewhere to spread you. Like, I just don't think I have that level of confidence.

[Morgan]

I feel like people care about you more than you think.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

But enough to, like, run errands after I'm gone?

[Morgan]

Yeah. It would bring them closure. It's more for them, not you.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You buy them, like, whatever they want.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You know, I'm not gonna leave specific instructions, and everyone's like, ugh, I don't have time for that. Yes. That's my worst fear is that I'll die and everyone will be like, she's a lot. Even now, even. It's like, you got so much attention while you were alive, and now this.

[Morgan]

Wasn'T enough for you, and now you.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Need more when you're not even here to enjoy it. It's a lot.

[Morgan]

I'm with you.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay.

[Morgan]

You might be changing my mind a little bit. Just. I'm going to have to.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I cannot wait. Oh, my God.

[Morgan]

Okay, without further ado, let's dive. This episode of two Hot Takes is presented by State Farm. It can be hard choosing the juiciest story for you guys on this podcast. And if you need help making a choice, State Farm helps you choose the coverage that matters most to you. Talk to a State Farm agent today to learn how you can choose to bundle and save with the personal price plan. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Prices are based on ratings plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state. Okay, this first one, this is coming from a post. It's a little vintage. It's actually from 2015, coming from relationships titled i30 Female, found a mystery digital camera in my husband's 32 male belongings.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay.

[Morgan]

Hi everyone. Throwaway account here. Thank you ahead of time for sharing my problem with me. So I am pretty new to the USA and I'm not working yet as I have some time before my employment authorization is granted. My husband and I met in my home country when he was there working, and I moved here to be with him. Everything is pretty peachy, though. Obviously my hands get a little restless sometimes. My husband, let's call him Ben, spends about 50 hours a week at work, sometimes a little more. Anyways, I was busy cleaning under the kitchen sink this afternoon while Ben was at work, and I found a biscuit tin.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, my God.

[Morgan]

I was curious about it. It was so far back that I thought it was perhaps something he had lost or was from a previous tenant. It was dusty, but the digital camera inside was not. I powered on the digital camera and found many photos of my stuff.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

What?

[Morgan]

Pictures of my purse hanging on a dining room chair. Pictures of my makeup in my cosmetic box. Pictures of my coat and scarf on the coat hooks. Pictures of my keys on the kitchen counter, Always of my stuff and always in pairs.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

This is a rollercoaster. Because when you started this story and she said, hidden digital camera, I went, absolutely not. Fuck this. And now this is getting kind of romantic. Has taken pictures of all of your stuff that could be like an. An art exhibit about your partner. You love them so much. You love everything about them, even everything they've touched. I'm. Now I'm where I'm gonna get. I'm gonna. I'm gonna marry a bad person.

[Morgan]

Probably meaning one after the other of the same exact scene. Always in pairs in that way.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay.

[Morgan]

I can't find a cord to attach it to the computer or a charger. I looked through all of the photos quickly in case he notices the battery drain. And I turned it off, and I was careful to put it back the way I found it. And, well, I don't know what to do next. I don't know exactly what I'm looking at. I don't even know how I'm supposed to feel if I should confront him, if it is anything worth confronting him about. He does not seem the type to have any kind of compulsive tic. But most importantly, why would a person do this?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Is there an Update.

[Morgan]

No.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

What? No. This is the whole thing.

[Morgan]

This is all we have.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

This is the craziest thing I've ever heard, and I. I'm having a really weird reaction to it. Is this bad? I kind of don't think it's bad.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

This is such a fucked up situation because he didn't do anything wrong. It's just weird. And I want to know really badly what is going on. And so I can only imagine how she feels having found it.

[Morgan]

Oh, I would have to confront him, right?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You would have to.

[Morgan]

Are you worried about your safety?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah. Are you worried about your safety? Are you worried about him getting mad? Like, how wholesome is this man that he's like, I need to have secrets from my wife, but all he can think to do is take photos of her belongings on a secret digital camera? That's kind of beautiful.

[Morgan]

You are just. God, you are a ray of fucking sunshine.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I just. I'm not. I'm not a positive person generally. I just don't know how else you take this.

[Morgan]

You are. You are glass not even half full. It is full.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Asking you, what are you?

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

What's your reaction to it? Because I can't think of, like, a negative even. Like, I think of everything from a serial killer angle.

[Morgan]

Oh, yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

And it doesn't even strike me as that.

[Morgan]

That's where I was kind of going. I was like, okay, this is like, true crime doc waiting to happen. How does he clean stuff and then put it back exactly how she had it? Or is he having an affair and he's taking pictures of these items so that when he hides them, he can put them back in the very same place?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, like he's having another woman over.

[Morgan]

Yeah. That's where my head immediately went.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You're so much smarter than me.

[Morgan]

Well, this is. This is your first rodeo.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You've gotta be so jaded. Do you have crazy trust issues now doing the show?

[Morgan]

I think. I don't know. I feel like I'm just more like. I catastrophize a lot easier than I probably used to.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

And I also. I have a true crime podcast as well now. So it's just like, you're getting it from all angles. I'm getting it from all angles. So when I see weird, I'm like, my spidey senses immediately start tingling.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Maybe he's just trying to get good at photography, right?

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Cause why would he keep those photos on the camera? Like, she's not putting everything back in the same spot every single time.

[Morgan]

Why is it hidden? In a biscuit tin, though, under the sink at the way back.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's what I'm saying. I'm like, people just need secrets. Do they need. I'm kind of like, what is she doing? What secrets does she have that he knows about? That he's so desperate to have a secret and can't pull off an affair, so he just needs to take photos of her purse. I know. And hide it under the sink.

[Morgan]

And, like, where's the charger? Where's the cord? Why are they so separated?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I feel so stupid reading this story. Cause I don't know what's going on at all.

[Morgan]

It just makes you paranoid.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

It's stressing me out.

[Morgan]

I know.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

There's no update.

[Morgan]

No update. The top comment is, swear an oath that you will come back and tell us the answer.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

This show is hell. This show is hell. Are they all like this?

[Morgan]

No. No.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay. That was crazy. We're starting off with a real hard one.

[Morgan]

But here's the thing. We do get updates. Years and years later, we have had people come back, you know, five years later, a decade later. So now that we're getting the word out there, maybe she's out there.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Girl, tell us.

[Morgan]

You know, this is from 2015.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

2015.

[Morgan]

October 14th.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Or he murdered her. Cause that is weird behavior. It is.

[Morgan]

I have had one story in the past, and this kind of went hall of fame in my head, where this woman was cleaning the fridge, and her husband had a box in the fridge. And she was like, what's in the box, babe? Like, what's in the box? And he goes, nothing. Don't look in there. And he's like, it's just olives. And she was like, I just. I feel like it's kind of weird that he's got this box in the fridge and I can't look in it. And she's like, what should I do? And, like, she updated it, and she's like, I talked to my husband. He said not to worry. It's just olives.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

She didn't look.

[Morgan]

She never fucking looked.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

What?

[Morgan]

Some people are just satisfied with not getting closure.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

What is that like?

[Morgan]

I don't know.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

This story is gonna haunt me for years.

[Morgan]

I'm so sorry.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I'm gonna ask people, like, I have a dinner tomorrow. I'm gonna ask the whole table no about this. Cause I. Is this how people online feel when they, like, solve crimes? Yeah. That, like, the authorities can't get to the bottom of? Yeah. Okay.

[Morgan]

I mean, look at all the people sleuthing right now with, like, dollar stuff released.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

What do the people in the comments think?

[Morgan]

A lot of people think that maybe it has to do with insurance purposes. Like, if you have photos of your stuff and your home burns down, then you can prove what needs to be replaced. Okay, so that's a positive one as well.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Meanwhile, I'm like, he's an artist. He's an artist. Leave him alone. Mm.

[Morgan]

This one is diabolical.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, my gosh. I'm so scared. I feel like someone's telling me scary stories around a campfire right now. I'm so tense.

[Morgan]

Okay, we just, like, we're going to.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Need to get out. Oh, my gosh.

[Morgan]

This person goes. I'm going to guess that your husband is taking pictures of things like your keys and purse to track if you have moved them during the day. I. E. Did you go out somewhere when you said you stayed home all day? I obviously could be wrong, but considering he is hiding the camera, that would be the only thing I can think of.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I need so much more information.

[Morgan]

That is scary.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's so scary. Okay. Okay.

[Morgan]

So we're gonna move on to this next one.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay.

[Morgan]

Because it also has to do with a secret. And I feel like I'm just gonna, like, I'm gonna leave you on this edge of, like, maybe no closure, and then I'm gonna give you one that, like, thank you. You get some resolve out loud.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah. And to be clear, I'm never gonna move on from that first one for the rest of my life.

[Morgan]

I'm gonna be honest. They get progressively worse.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

No. Are there ones that haunt you?

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That you've done. Okay.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I mean that you go back and check for updates and you never get it. Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Morgan]

Yeah. No, there's one.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

How do you have the stomach for this?

[Morgan]

You start to read so many that you do, like, forget about them. The ones that mess me up the most, though, are like, posts that, like, I full heartedly believe them and I'm on their side, and then someone else, like, that's involved in the story finds the post and gives a totally different narrative.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, yeah.

[Morgan]

And I'm like, whoa, which side do you believe?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

And then I'm like, oh, I feel so bad for being so mean when this person's clearly wronged.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

So those ones really get me too.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

And Reddit's so hard too, because you're just going off of their writing skills. Like, you can't, like, look at their body language or their.

[Morgan]

No, their eyes. Their eyes shifting.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah, exactly.

[Morgan]

They're saying it.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Are they telling me the truth?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh my God.

[Morgan]

Nothing. Just believing them or being gullible. Whichever one you want to choose.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

All right. Okay, let's do the next one.

[Morgan]

Okay. So this is coming from Am I the Asshole? It is titled Am I the Asshole for not telling my fiance about a secret room in our apartment. I recognize the title. Sounds a little ridiculous. The situation is less so. I was very fortunate to be in a position to buy an apartment straight out of college. It's a weird unit on a high floor of a weird building. But I gut renovated it and I made it really nice. One aspect of my home was created just to fulfill a childhood fantasy. A secret room. It's simple. A flush mount bookcase put in the doorway. It leads to what would otherwise be a windowless very large closet or a very small room. I made it into a cute layer reading nook, but with no windows. It never got used. Ended up being more long term storage. I've never told anyone about it because it was a secret room.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Obviously I can't tell anyone about the secret room.

[Morgan]

I kind of figured at one point I'd tell my girlfriend Emma. But I didn't want to tell her until I had a reason to. I had finished it shortly before meeting her. I figured maybe one day if we had a kid, I could remove the bookcase and bam. We'd have plenty of space to put in a changing table set up or a craft nook for her. But I largely forgot about it except when I needed to pull something out from there, which is rare. Fast forward to yesterday. Emma, now my fiance has been living with me in my now our apartment for eight months. During this time, I've kept the secret room a secret. It's not like I was thinking about it all the time. I only consciously did something really sneaky. Maybe three times since she's moved in to get Christmas lights, a spare coffee maker and to put away a novelty item she probably thought I threw out. And the reason I was sneaky at those times was because again, I didn't want to waste the surprise on Christmas lights. We've both been working from home lately and we aren't really able to leave very often due to circumstances. And she jokingly announced we need a new room to shake things up from her normal commute bedroom to living room. So of course I excitedly pulled open our built in bookcase and showed her our room and she flipped out. She is furious at me. She sees me keeping this secret as a major betrayal of trust given that this is her home. Now, too. She's acting like I cheated on her. I tried to explain I was waiting for a special moment, but she thinks that makes it worse. I have no idea if she's being unreasonable or if I am. Am I the asshole?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You should have never told her about that secret room. You should have never. The first half of the story, I was like, this is amazing. I would love to have a secret room. A secret room for your extra storage and your childhood fantasy of having a secret room behind a bookshelf. I was like, this is awesome. We're all complex individuals who need. Again, you need a secret or two. It's okay. This hurts. No. 1. You're not having an affair. You're not doing any harm. You're not spending money that's not yours. You're not, like, you're not doing anything harmful except storing some Christmas lights behind a bookcase. And you did tell her, and I don't know why. She's freaking out, and I feel like it's about something else. I mean, if someone told me about a secret room, I would probably be upset, too, but just because of the lie, not because of the room itself. I would just be like, huh? And it's such a big physical thing to hide. That would freak me out. But the actual hiding of the room, I think, is okay. And so I think you should have never told her.

[Morgan]

But what if, like, okay, they're married, we're, like, five years down the road, and it's like, oh, like, here's. Here's another room in our house. And it's like, you've been hiding me from this room for five years.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's why I'm like, I don't know why she's freaking out. It's only been eight months. Five years. I could understand, like, what? But also, it's kind of funny. It is. It's kind of a good bit to have a secret room, and then, like, surprise, secret room. That's funny.

[Morgan]

It is interesting.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Emma doesn't sound funny.

[Morgan]

See, I'm. Here was where I go with paranoia again. I'm like, it just kind of scares me that I've been living in this house for eight months, and, like, there was a whole nother room I didn't know about. Like, haven't you seen those stories of the people who, like, hear something in their attic, and all of a sudden they stick their phone up in the attic to see if something's there, and there's a man.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay, wait, have you seen. Is the poster male or female?

[Morgan]

So there's no mention.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Cause that changes everything.

[Morgan]

There's no mention. Who did you envision?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I thought it was a woman.

[Morgan]

I envisioned a guy.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay. Not to be super gendered about this, but if it's a man, I hate that. If it's a woman, I love it. And I think she should have kept the secret forever. If it's a man. How fucking dare you?

[Morgan]

Ugh. I know.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I. So that's maybe where we're having different.

[Morgan]

Reactions where you're differing.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

There's no comments from OP adding any other details, so yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Damn.

[Morgan]

No genders mentioned. The only thing that we get is like, girlfriend Emma, which if OP is.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

A woman or non binary person, I love it. And I think you should have kept the room secret. And if it's a man, you're disgusting and I hate you. That's how I feel about it.

[Morgan]

Oh, my gosh. You had something in one of your specials where you're like, I think I'm sexist.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

And like, yeah, I have different standards.

[Morgan]

I think my standard is like, I find it weird either way.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah. Look, I'm very against lying unless I understand why.

[Morgan]

I think if it's like a short term white lie and it's for a good plot, I'm on board.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah. But if it's you realizing a childhood dream that hurts no one.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

And it's kind of a funny bit to reveal it.

[Morgan]

True.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I love those reasons. If you're a man, I'm like, what lie are you practicing for? Like, what are you? Like, lying's a muscle. So what are you building muscle to lie about?

[Morgan]

See, I do. I'm kind of going on your team now. I'm surprising myself with this one because I do think it would have been really, really cute if it is a dude. And it does seem like he was just waiting for the right time. Like, he wanted it to be really fun and cute. When he divulged this secret room. I do think it would have been amazing when, say, they have kids, if they want kids. And she's like, we gotta move. We only have a one bedroom. And he's like, no, no, no. Like, we got this. And all of a sudden he opens the bookcase and there's a perfectly decorated little nursery.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That would have been cute.

[Morgan]

That would have been good.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That would have been cute.

[Morgan]

So I'm like, okay, wait. If there was a real thoughtful intent behind this.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay. I mean, now I think it's a man, because bad timing. A woman would have done that.

[Morgan]

I feel like I. I hate surprises. Like When I buy people presents, I just want to give it to them right away.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

So for me, we would have been dating and I would have showed them this room.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I hate a surprise.

[Morgan]

To me, we would have had sex in this room by this point. Like, like. And that's where I'm like, maybe it isn't a guy. Because I do feel like a guy would have wanted to have sex in this room already.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You're so right. A man has never walked into a room and been like, I'm not gonna fuck in here.

[Morgan]

Like, welcome to my lair.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You're right.

[Morgan]

Like, now I'm like, who is this? Who is this?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Wow. Okay. Well, we don't have enough. Once again, we have no information to make a definitive decision about how we feel about this.

[Morgan]

Just left unsettled.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

These are tough. These are some real tough ones. I've watched a lot of yours. I've never seen ones this tough.

[Morgan]

Really?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yes. I feel like I always know how I feel about the stories you read on here. Okay.

[Morgan]

I am really sorry.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, my gosh.

[Morgan]

I did peruse the Best of no Updates subreddit for you. So a lot of these are just really heavy hitters that don't have resolutions.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay. Wow. All right. I wish my team had told me that before I came here.

[Morgan]

She would have canceled.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, my God.

[Morgan]

Okay, let me give you one that. It has a little something. Okay, okay.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay. That last one had a secret room. These have a lot.

[Morgan]

I mean, they all have something, but, like, an update. An update. Okay, let's give you one with. This episode is brought to you by mgm. Kaley Cuoco and Sam Claflin star in the MGM original series Vanished. When the man Alice loves disappears on a train to the south of France. Every romantic memory becomes evidence, every intimate detail a potential threat. She thought she knew everything about him, but she may not even know his real name. New episode Sundays on mgm. Finding the truth is a dangerous affair. This episode of two outtakes is presented by State Farm. It can be hard picking the juiciest story for you guys on this podcast. And if you need help making a choice, State Farm helps you choose the coverage that matters most to you. Talk to a State Farm agent today to learn how you can choose to bundle and save with the personal price plan. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Prices are based on ratings plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state. An update.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Thank you.

[Morgan]

Okay, so this one is coming from Aitah. It Is titled Am I the asshole for questioning my engagement? After my fiance got mad at me for drinking while pregnant.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Why is pregnant in quote quotation marks?

[Morgan]

You'll see soon enough. Okay, sorry if this is long. I just need opinions and I can't tell if I'm being dramatic about this. Okay, so I, 22, female, recently got engaged to my fiance, 23, male. We are both still living at home to save money to eventually get our own place. I still live with my parents, but I stay at his place most nights because it's closer to work and just easier. So this New Year's Eve we were at his parents house with family and a few friends. Nothing crazy, just a normal family get together. His aunt was passing out champagne to everyone and asked me if I wanted some. But before I could even respond, my fiance reached out and took the glass. I kind of thought it was weird, but I just ignored it because he can be oblivious sometimes. I ended up just going to the kitchen and pouring myself a drink. When I got back to the living room, he immediately noticed my drink and asked pretty loudly, is that alcohol? I said yeah. He started getting really upset. He said he couldn't believe I would do that, that he thought I was more responsible and I was being reckless. I was obviously confused and I asked him what he's talking about. He said something like, quote, you're really going to mess things up before they even start. You're going to hurt the baby. The room went quiet and I was so embarrassed. I was thinking he must be drunk or something. I asked him what baby? He said he knew I was pregnant and that he had been trying to do the right thing. He said he found a pregnancy test in the bathroom weeks ago and that he's been watching what I eat and drink and it's why he proposed.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

What?

[Morgan]

He said he was stepping up. Then he said he didn't know if he had made a mistake, if this was the kind of mother I was going to be. I was literally so shocked and humiliated. I told him I'm not pregnant, but he just told me, I don't need to lie. I'm not pregnant in parentheses. I ended up leaving and coming to my parents house that night. I haven't been to his place since. He keeps trying to reach out to me and talk about it, but I'm not ready. That brings us to last night. My fiance's mom messaged me and asked me to come over and talk. She says relationships take effort and I shouldn't ruin my relationship over a little misunderstanding. I Don't even know what to do. I love my fiance, but I can't stop thinking if he never thought I was pregnant, would he have even proposed to me? I'm really rethinking the whole relationship.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Where's this pregnancy test from?

[Morgan]

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. That's what I want to know.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

They don't say.

[Morgan]

That's the original question.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I wish I'd never come here. I wish I'd never come here. Are you kidding me? I thought it was gonna be the mom. The mom in law was gonna be like, it was mine.

[Morgan]

We do get an update.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

We do. Remember? Oh my God. Remember?

[Morgan]

Okay, I told you.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry for being. I know.

[Morgan]

There's no update. I wish I had like EKG monitors on you. I'm just read your pulse. You probably have like some like tachycardia, maybe some like skipping a beat over there.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I'm not doing well. I'm not doing well.

[Morgan]

I should have gotten you a stress ball.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You really should have.

[Morgan]

Damn.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I'm. I don't. What happened? For the love of God.

[Morgan]

What's your guess? What's your take on.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

My guess is it's his mom is pregnant.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Because they're 23. 23, so she, his mom might be like 40, early 40s and you could still get pregnant then. So I'm guessing it's his mom.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I hope that's all that happened. But this is Reddit, so you never know.

[Morgan]

The top comment is that like of course, bigger question, who in your house is pregnant?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Morgan]

Because obviously he's not ready for marriage or kids if he's going to find something like that and not have an actual conversation with you.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah. I mean they shouldn't be engaged. They're obviously not ready to get married. And I thought that from the jump.

[Morgan]

22.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah, they said 22. 23. Living at home. I was like, whatever happened, call it whatever happened, just get out of there. Or just wait longer. Ok. We don't need to be getting married right now. But this is crazy. I know.

[Morgan]

I can't.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I don't think he didn't make up the pregnancy test.

[Morgan]

Well, so some people in the comments are like, are we sure he didn't find a COVID test?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's so funny.

[Morgan]

Like people are like, is this even a pregnancy test?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That would be so funny if that's the update.

[Morgan]

He's 23, you know, maybe he's confused.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah. Imagine being this guy finding this post and everyone's like, does he Know what a pregnancy test is?

[Morgan]

I mean, some of them are very clear. Like, some of them are now. Like, I forget what brand, but it's like people were still messing it up that it literally just says pregnant.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Pregnant or not?

[Morgan]

Not pregnant. Like, it's crystal. It's crystal. So I'm gonna assume it's an actual pregnancy test. But, like, to be like, pull the drink away and just be so dramatic in front of everyone.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

No, it's crazy. He clearly doesn't want to get married. He's just doing it because he thinks you're pregnant.

[Morgan]

He's stepping up.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah. That's why I think he's not lying.

[Morgan]

No.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

So, update. So a bunch of comments are asking about the pregnancy test my fiance found. I don't know why I didn't even question that when he said it. I think I was just in shock. I've never taken a pregnancy test at his house, so I don't know if he saw something and thought it was a test or if he's being crazy and making it up. I just messaged his mom back, and I'm going to go over there and talk and figure out what I want to do. I do really like his family, and I still love my fiance or boyfriend. I don't know what to call him now. He's never really done things to make me worry before, so I want to at least listen before I throw everything away. I think people were in the comments being like, what other girls he having over? Who's the side chick? Side chick's pregnant's house. You know, people are diabolical. I read a story lately where this woman was like, my sister sent me this picture. I'm trying to talk her off the ledge. Is there any plausible reason? And it was like a bunch of, like, press on nails that she keeps finding placed all over her house. And it's like, no, no, no. Side chick's coming over, ripping off her nails, trying to send a message. This would be a big message to send.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah, that's true.

[Morgan]

You know, here's the test.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Is there another update?

[Morgan]

There is another update.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay. All right.

[Morgan]

Update. Yesterday I went over to my boyfriend's house and all caps. It did not go as expected. I honestly don't even know what I was expecting. But after reading some of the comments about whose test it was or even if it was a pregnancy test, I had to find out. My boyfriend was really happy to see me when I got there. I don't think his mom told him I was coming. He seemed really genuine. And just kept apologizing. His mom asked us to sit down and started crying and saying she doesn't want to ruin our relationship and she loves both of us and wants the best for us. Then she shows us a sonogram. It was his mom's test.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

There we go.

[Morgan]

How did you clock it so fast?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Well, what else? Who else would it have been?

[Morgan]

My head went side chick.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Really?

[Morgan]

Side chick?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Not living with his parents. I mean, that's a. That's crazy.

[Morgan]

I dated a guy who lived with his parents and was sneaking girls in windows and bringing them over while they knew about me. And I would come the following weekend and they'd be nice to my face. Meanwhile, knowing their son had other girls.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

The parents knew they were diabolical too. Okay, I literally can't.

[Morgan]

Where do you think the apple fell from?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay. Wow. I am really. I am. Maybe I'm more positive than I thought. My reactions to these are, am I Pollyanna?

[Morgan]

Jesus, you are like the most positive, non skeptical person I've ever had.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I don't think of myself like that. I'm usually the person who's like, yep, they're wrong, they're lying. And now I'm like, am I very naive? Although that one, I was right about you.

[Morgan]

No, you clapped this one.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I got one.

[Morgan]

Yeah, you're just. Do you meditate? Are you practicing a gratitude journal? No, not at all.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I think I'm. I will say that when I was younger, I was really, really jealous and I was really insecure and I expected the worst of everybody that I was dating or otherwise. And it got me in trouble a lot. And I was wrong a lot. And I think if you have gone through periods of very poor mental health that made you jump to conclusions and catastrophize to the point of destroying relationships, you then change the way you approach situations. And you actively try to give people the benefit of the doubt because it's not your natural state. But if it goes poorly enough for you enough times, I think I have probably rewired my brain a little bit. Also, I hired my younger sibling, who is a very forgiving, understanding, gives everyone the benefit of the doubt, very empathetic. And I think being around them all the time has really chilled me out. Like, it's really. It is very hard not to feel like a bad person in comparison.

[Morgan]

It's rubbed off on you when you're.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Like, telling them something and you're like, well, that person just did this. And this is what that means. And they're always like, well, have you Thought about it from this perspective, and I'm like, oh, I guess I didn't. And then again, yeah, I've just. I've come at old boyfriends for stuff. And then I was so wrong. I once found a wristband in my boyfriend's car. An old boyfriend, a wristband that was just like a paper wristband from an event or something. And I said, what's this? And he said, I don't know. And I was like, what?

[Morgan]

What do you mean?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

And he goes, I just don't know. He's like, I don't remember. I don't know what that is. And we fought about it for a while, come to realize it was mine, and neither of us remembered. I was like, remember when you went to that one thing and they put a wristband on you? And I went, oh, yeah. And he was pissed. And I was like, yeah.

[Morgan]

Well, it's like, you. I think you kind of have had the opposite of experience of what a lot of people have. Like, I mean, everyone kind of knows, like, the proof is in the pudding.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

So it's like, if you've been hurt, whether it's, you know, people cheating or just trust issues, whatever, you start to then expect it because it's been proven, oh, they cheated. The next one cheated.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

But you. I've also been cheated on.

[Morgan]

Okay, well, I feel like you. I don't know again. Here we go with the positive. And I don't know what you're doing, but we should harness it in a bottle because you have taken that. Like, I used to be really pessimistic. I was always assuming the worst, whatever. And you start to be like, well, they didn't prove me right, and it wasn't the worst, and it was my wristband. So maybe now I'll be more positive. I won't assume the worst, but some.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

People were cheating on me. There was somebody I dated on and off for years, and I always thought was cheating on me. Always thought, couldn't prove it. Swore up and down he wasn't. I worked on it in therapy for years. I go, what's wrong with me that I thought this guy was cheating on me? He never did. And there's been so many opportunities for him to tell me he never. I have no proof. I just felt like he was. And there were certain things that I was like, that's a little weird. And I worked on it in therapy, and I did all this work on myself. Come to find out, he tells me years later that he was sleeping with sex workers behind my back. And I was like. I was so relieved that I was right, that I wasn't even mad.

[Morgan]

No, because for years, your radar has been, like, pinging, and you're like, something's off. Something's off. But on paper, everything's looking pretty good. Oh, that is so horrifying.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Isn't that crazy? And then.

[Morgan]

Cause it just, like, makes you feel.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

It makes you feel crazy. And then, like, I also dated somebody who, like, I was trying really hard to. Like, they spent a lot of time with a friend of theirs, and I was like, oh, they're not. They wouldn't do that. They're very honest. Whatever. And then when we broke up, like, they were together, and I was like, immediately. Okay. So it is this difficult balance, and it probably depends on what day you catch me on, but there's this difficult balance of, like, okay, what is anxiety and what's my gut? Yeah, right. And it's like, they tell you that your gut feels, like, more calm. Like, more of a calm, knowing. And then anxiety is like, you're panicking. But it's. I mean, it's really taken me years to get to a place where, honestly, if somebody lied to me and hurt me, it would depend on what it was. But I think I'm in a place now where I've gone to enough therapy and stuff where I'm like, well, I know it's not about me, whatever it is. Ultimately.

[Morgan]

Ultimately, yeah, it's more of a theme. Maybe some projection. Yeah, that's crazy, the way you describe gut. Because, like, you think about it, and it's like, I do think when it finally clocks and you're like, no, no, no, something's up. Like, you just feel this, like, inner. Just like, you're composed, but you're like, no, no, no, this is messed up.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

And it's very grounded.

[Morgan]

Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was funny. And just, like, really fun for me to watch your most recent special and then go back to the first one, because you do. You talk about in your 20s, you don't have a gut yet, and you talk about that. And then the last one, you were just like, no, no, no. Like, I'm. I'm more tuned in, so.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

And I do a joke about that guy in the first one where I go, I thought this guy was cheating on me. He never did, but he did this other funny thing. And then the next special, I'm like, that guy cheated on me.

[Morgan]

Just so insane. You're leaving me with a lot to ponder tonight.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I know. I'm sorry. I'm Getting.

[Morgan]

No, I love me.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

It's about.

[Morgan]

It's about his mom.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

The op.

[Morgan]

It's about the mom being pregnant now.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

OP is original poster, right?

[Morgan]

Yeah. You did some research, too. You're on.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I've seen this.

[Morgan]

I've seen.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I also got on. I got into Reddit like, this last year.

[Morgan]

Did you?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Like, never really been on Reddit before, and it's genuinely really helpful when you have, like, questions or acne or something like that. Like, it's really helped me get to the bottom of a lot of stuff.

[Morgan]

I literally had, like, a car problem and I posted a recording of the car, like, thud. And people were like, your. Your delivery braces from when they shipped the car over. They never took them off. Sure enough, I bring it to the dealer and they go, yeah, how'd you know about that?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's awesome.

[Morgan]

Reddit, okay. Yeah. Reddit, school, anything, Anything.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

And also really dark and scary.

[Morgan]

Yeah, you just got to.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You just. Don't get lost. Don't stray.

[Morgan]

Don't get lost in the sauce. So OP does go on to say literally all of this stupid drama because my boyfriend is an idiot.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

He said he didn't think his mom could get pregnant anymore because she's in her 40s, so the only other possibility was for it to be mine, but he didn't want to ask me so I could tell him myself. I love surprising people, so honestly, that does make sense. But, like, it had been weeks. He could have said something after all that time. His mom said she didn't say anything at the party because she didn't know what she was going to do yet and didn't want anyone at the party finding out. But it still bothers me that she let me take the embarrassment instead. Or she could have at least told us in private instead of letting us not talk for over a week. Yes, I do kind of feel bad now that my boyfriend really thought I was pregnant and thought I wasn't taking it seriously. I talked to him about the engagement and if he meant what he said about stepping up. He said he had already had the ring for a while, but was waiting for the right time. And when he saw the test, he thought of it as a sign and got excited, thinking of us as a little family.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Hmm. Okay.

[Morgan]

He says he only said what he said at the party in the heat of the moment, thinking I was someone who would risk our baby like that, and he didn't actually mean it. I think I believe him. As of now, we aren't engaged anymore, but we are still together. I told him we really need to work harder on communication if we want to make our relationship last. A lot of the comments were saying he's a red flag and stuff, and I can see where you're coming from, but this was really the only time he's been like that. I think his intentions were sweet but came off wrong. A lot of other people are saying we are too young to get married, but my parents got married young and are still together, so I think it depends if we do get engaged again. I told him to actually wait until he's ready and not when he thinks he needs to.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I think she handled this great.

[Morgan]

That was a happy ending.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I really do. I think she handled that really, really well. And I think anything she would have chosen would have been right.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

In this situation, I, like, I think.

[Morgan]

About myself at 22, and, like, I don't think I was this mature.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

No, not at all.

[Morgan]

Like, I can't even imagine, like, being like, we need to communicate more and, like, okay, we're not engaged now, but, like, please, you know, let's proceed forward.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Like, no, she's.

[Morgan]

Who is this?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

This is an amazing, amazing woman. And I'm sorry I talked down to you being 22. That's why.

[Morgan]

But it's young. You think about that age from your perspective and, like, me at 22, like, I don't even know where I was. Like, what was I doing?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

No, we're good. That is a complicated situation, and I understand why everybody reacted the way they did.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

To everything that happened. So. Okay. I could understand being like, we're gonna work through this and get past it, but I am glad that she's like, we're not engaged right now. Yeah.

[Morgan]

No, take a step back. I mean, they're both still living at home.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

I think, first and foremost, like, try living together.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

This whole situation, red flag for him, green flag for her.

[Morgan]

Oh, yeah. I mean, she's well balanced.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Okay, move on to the next one.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I feel better. I feel better.

[Morgan]

You feel good?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You're gonna ruin it again.

[Morgan]

Just soak that in for, you know, maybe 10 more seconds.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay. Okay. Oh, my God.

[Morgan]

Cause this. This next person.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay.

[Morgan]

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[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh my God, when you do the air quotes, I get so scared using a throwaway.

[Morgan]

Since if Becca sees this, the fight will continue. Some background is my fiance. Becca is an escape room fanatic. We have taken vacations centered around escape rooms. She loves them that much. She's very good at them. And so when my friend started an escape room business, he actually hired Becca to consult for him and his business is a hit. So he recently started this escape van service.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh my God.

[Morgan]

Which is basically like a rolling party van slash escape room. He asked me if Becca would like to try it out. I had one better since her birthday was yesterday. Why don't we surprise her? He was totally on board. This is where things get a little dicey. So we went to see John Wick and when we walked out, beggy, my friend and I agreed that his van would be outside to throw us in and let us sample the escape room puzzle on the way to his business.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I'm literally crying.

[Morgan]

What? So this is exactly what happened. One of his employees got a little rough with me, so I sort of yelped as he was tossing me in the van. Becca lost it, even though the guide started in his spell of quote, you are now captives of the XXX Company escape van. To get you out, you will need to solve five consecutive puzzles.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, well, if they said that, that's okay. Are you serious?

[Morgan]

I mean, you get the idea. Well, Becca didn't hear any of that. She was just sobbing. When we started rolling, it was even worse. We hit a stop sign in the movie theater parking lot, and Becca literally shoved the guy out of the way, opened the door to the van, and took the fuck off into the Dave and Buster's next to the movie theater. She even dropped her phone in the street on the way out, and I stopped to pick it up. And then she screamed at me, run, you fucking idiot. So Dave and Buster's security team called 911, and within two minutes, there were cops everywhere. It took us maybe five minutes to sort everything out, and the cops basically screamed at me and Becky, who was driving the van, that this was the stupidest thing they've ever heard of, and he's lucky that it's Saturday and they don't have time to deal with us. Becca is so furious at me. She hasn't spoken to me other than to say she was sleeping on the couch. She has given me the cold shoulder all morning. She has never been this mad and won't speak to me even if I ask her to. Please tell me what's wrong.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Wha. What?

[Morgan]

To me. I had a good idea, but the execution really sucked. Was I the asshole here?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I. We were getting to the end of the story, and I forgot that it was, am I the asshole? And I was like, what could he possibly be asking us, the people at home? What could he possibly. What reason could he have for sharing this publicly? Is he really confused? Imagine if your husband did this to you and then had the audacity to be like, what's wrong, babe?

[Morgan]

What's wrong?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

But what is it?

[Morgan]

What did I do?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

What did I do? Please tell me he's lucky Becca's sleeping on that couch. Are you kidding me? That's the worst story I've ever heard in my life. I'm sure all the comments are like, you are the asshole. Yeah, that's unanimous. That one. Yeah.

[Morgan]

I mean, I don't know why. It's.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

What if I was like, we need Becca's side.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I'd be like. I'm like, okay, we need to hear what she thinks.

[Morgan]

We're gonna cut that one from the episode? No, I just, like. I feel like it's. It's come up in a story before where it was a story coming out of Kazakhstan. I think that's how you say it. And it is like a thing over there that they will sometimes do a kidnap prank in order to propose. And it's like a thing. And I've had someone recently message me about it and be like, that happened to my friend. She was kidnapped for her proposal. And this is like, for a birthday surprise, which the last fucking thing I'd ever want for my birthday. I don't think anyone would want that for their birthday. But I don't know why it seems like guys typically have this, like, fetish to want to kidnap people. Even they try to brush it off. Like, is that. Am I going crazy?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I've never dated a guy that was like, what if I kidnapped you? Like, I've never run into that.

[Morgan]

No blindfolds, nothing?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Blindfolds, sure. But I know where I am. Okay. We're not in a car. We're not moving. You can blindfold me at home.

[Morgan]

I feel like I've seen some people get blindfolded and then they get in the car and they go to, like, a dinner surprise. Like some TikTok people tell about.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

They get in the car, they go, we're going to dinner, right? Or they go, I have a surprise. I'm gonna blindfold you. I'm gonna take you. It's me, the person you know. It's me, the person you know, and you've dated. Although even then, I don't know.

[Morgan]

It's not doing it for me. Yeah, for sure. It's actually insane that he even had to write in and was just like, it was a good idea.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That was an easy one, though. But he clearly thought people were gonna be like, yeah, she likes escape rooms.

[Morgan]

Well, it's seven years old, so I think we were in a very different place in the world seven years ago.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

This would have gone over even worse now. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm like, I don't remember seven years ago, people being like, 20.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Kidnapping.

[Morgan]

18.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

20. 19.

[Morgan]

No. Yeah. No, it's not that long ago. Okay. Yeah, top comment. Fully, you're the asshole.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Fully, you're the asshole.

[Morgan]

Yeah, no doubt you're the asshole. But also, yikes. The escape room now has a van, and the owners are fine with making people who aren't in on it think they're being abducted.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's crazy.

[Morgan]

That seems destined to end badly. OP does respond. And goes to be clear, this wasn't the standard way he's going to run the van. I just thought Becca would immediately recognize it as such because she's so good at escape rooms.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, my God. That's. Okay. So you don't know her at all or anything in general. That was upsetting.

[Morgan]

Yeah. I mean, you essentially gave her potentially, right, like, PTSD for this, like, birthday surprise.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah. Which. Look, that's what dating mental duty is a common side effect. Stating that.

[Morgan]

It's just like, I don't even remember what it's like. I just, like, I'm. I can't relate anymore.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You glad you're married?

[Morgan]

Well, that's like, I. You're special. I was like. I felt a little attacked at some points, but I'm like, okay, I'm. I gotta be more in tune with my friends.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah. You know, you're coming from a place of privileged married.

[Morgan]

Yeah, we've. It's been like seven years. Is it.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I think so.

[Morgan]

But now you're diversifying your dating pool these days.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I mean, it's so much better dating women. It's way better.

[Morgan]

What's like. What do you think is, like, the common difference you've come across?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

The common difference or the biggest difference?

[Morgan]

Yeah, biggest difference.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Like, I mean, women are just way more considerate, generally speaking. I mean, it's not like across the board or anything, but.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Straight men are just not. I don't know. They're not. Society doesn't really raise them to be considerate and empathetic.

[Morgan]

So empathy is something that really needs to be taught more.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

If it can be taught. A lot of people argue that nature versus.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I did a lot of teaching. Empathy. Everyone I dated.

[Morgan]

You should do a masterclass.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I honestly, I could.

[Morgan]

Maybe it's time.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You really have to break it down, though. You're like. But just imagine you're someone else.

[Morgan]

If you were gonna give straight guys out there three tips, what would it be?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, my God.

[Morgan]

Or just one? Three is a lot.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I know. Three's a lot.

[Morgan]

Three's a lot.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Make a plan. Listen and put yourself in other people's shoes.

[Morgan]

Seems so simple.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You would think.

[Morgan]

So simple. Okay, well, this next one, I feel like he could have definitely taken point number three from you.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, no.

[Morgan]

And tried to apply this, I think a common theme you come across in Taylor's specials. You guys, if you're gonna watch, which you need to. But it's like therapy and just like. Yes, you're just. You just seem so healed. I'm just so jealous.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

No one's ever accused me of that once. This is incredible.

[Morgan]

Yeah, I just like, I really appreciate that. Like, damn, I really need to start putting in more work. What the fuck? But this one has to do with some therapy. And I think, I think you're very qualified to. To speak on this.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

So.

[Morgan]

This is really fresh. This is 10 hours old.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Whoa.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

So we could really change a life here.

[Morgan]

We have the potential.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Wow. Okay.

[Morgan]

So it is titled am I wrong for refusing to apologize to my fiance's mom for something I wrote in a never send therapy letter. I'm 28, female. My fiance is 30, male. We've been together for five years, engaged for eight months. His family is very involved, like group chat every day, shared holidays, constant drop by visits. I come from a much quieter background where people text first and don't discuss every single feeling at the dinner table. His mom is sweet in some ways, but she is also extremely intense. She comments on my weight, on our future kids names, on what kind of wife she thinks I will be. All of this with a smile, like it's just harmless talk. I tried to set small boundaries and she cried twice and said that she just wants to be included. It got to the point that I started having stomach aches before we visited. My fiance suggested couples counseling last fall, partially because of wedding stress, partially because he could see I was withdrawing around his family. Our therapist gave us an exercise where we each write unsent letters to the people we are frustrated with. The rules were you write honestly, you never have to show it. It can be messy, it can be unfair. The point is to get the raw feelings out so you can look at them with the therapist and then figure out how to communicate the cleaned up version in real life. In my letter, it was to his mom and I did not hold back. I wrote that I feel like she wants a second wife for her son more than a daughter in law, that I feel inspected like a product. She bought that her constant comments about my body and fertility scare me. I also wrote some harsher stuff like that I sometimes dread having children, partly because I imagine her criticizing my parenting every day. It was ugly and emotional, but it honestly helped. I brought the notebook to our next session because the plan was to read selected parts with the therapist and my fiance present. The night before the session, my fiance came home early. While I was showering, my notebook was on the desk. He admits he opened it up, quote, just to see what you wrote about me. And then he just kept reading. By the time I came out, he was sitting on the couch looking like he had been punched. He said the things I wrote about his mom were vicious and borderline character assassination. I reminded him it was a private therapy exercise, not an email to his family. He said that it doesn't matter because now he knows what I really think of her and that it feels like a betrayal that I never said anything that strong to him.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

So she didn't write one to him.

[Morgan]

Just to his mom.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay.

[Morgan]

Which begs the question, now, he thought it was to him, which means that his is to her.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yep.

[Morgan]

Since then, he has been insisting that I need to apologize to his mom in person for, quote, harboring those feelings and for speaking about her that way in any context. I told him I will happily work with a therapist on how to set actual boundaries and maybe have a calm conversation with his mom about specific behaviors. But I am not apologizing to her for words she was never meant to see and only knows about because he violated my privacy. He keeps saying if I loved him, I would repair the damage to his family and that keeping this line is me choosing resentment over his mom. Now I'm stuck. A part of me feels bad that he is hurt by reading my rawest thoughts. Another part of me is furious that my safe space exercise is now being turned into a weapon. My best friend says he should be apologizing to me and that if his mom ever hears about the letter at all, that's on him. My sister thinks I should just swallow my pride and say sorry so this isn't hanging over us at the wedding. Am I wrong for refusing to apologize to his mom for a private therapy letter he was never supposed to read in the first place?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Dude, who cares about his mom? Break up with him. Are you serious? It's not even about. This is so bad. It is not. Are you serious? She's not even asking, should I stay with this guy? No, she's like, should I apologize to his mom? Get out of there. Are you serious?

[Morgan]

I'm, like, sweating right now.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

No, that's horrible. That's 10 hours ago. Can we make an account? This is crazy. Yeah, can we. Did she leave her phone number? Like, let's. I wanna save her. That's crazy.

[Morgan]

How do we get to you, friend?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Literally, how do we get to you? No, that's horrible. Yeah, that's absolutely horrible. Also, everything she listed that she put in the letter about his mom did not sound that bad when she was like, no, but I also wrote really Vicious things like that. I'm scared she's gonna criticize my parenting. What?

[Morgan]

She's already commenting on it. And you don't even have kids. She's commenting on your weight.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah. That's not even a crazy. You said nothing about her as a person or, like, everything you wrote is nicer than what she's saying to you. It sounds like.

[Morgan]

And even if you did get meaner, which I'm not even getting, that. I think this person has been gaslit so hard that, like, these thoughts that are not even mean are. She's now thinking they're mean.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

But even if she did go harder, that's okay because this was literally homework. And he has no excuse. He understood the assignment because he received one himself.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I think that he feels really bad about what he wrote about her. And so he's trying to now. He went looking because he wanted her to write something terrible, found something that honestly isn't that bad, and is trying to, like, make it her issue to make himself feel less bad about what an asshole he is in his own private mind. And outwardly, it sounds like.

[Morgan]

Yeah, no, I bet you're. I bet you're right. I bet he wanted to find hers and read it before so maybe he could write a second one. One that wasn't as bad.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

I don't even know what his would be, though.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Or pick a fight with her over what she wrote about him. Like, one of something. This guy. I feel like. I don't know. I can't tell if he wants control or he wants out or what. But you need to get out.

[Morgan]

I lean towards control.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Especially given the, like, emotional manipulation.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's true. It's so much work, too. Like, if you really just want it out, that's so much work.

[Morgan]

I think, like, people need to just get more comfortable with, like, it's okay to break up.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

It's okay to break up.

[Morgan]

Like, Sunken Cost fallacy is a construct in your head. Like, go, run.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yes.

[Morgan]

Like, I'm like, I feel like I've gotten to this age where I'm like, I love my mom. I do. I love her. But I'm almost like, you start parenting your parents a little.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

And she lost her partner a couple years ago and has started dating again. And my crash out at home was, like, over a new partner, and I'm just like, don't you see the mistakes of the past coming forward to right themselves again?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

It's just like, sunken Cost fallacy's not like you're so much better off Just walking away. And I hope this girl sees the comments on this. Cause we're gonna get into a couple of them and just walks away. Cause like she's 28.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yes.

[Morgan]

Prime of your life.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Prime of your life. Prime of your life.

[Morgan]

Get out. Five years, who cares? Don't waste another one.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah, it's great you had a long relationship in your 20s.

[Morgan]

Teaches you a lot. I just cannot even believe him being like, if you loved me, you'd repair the damage to the family. How's your family gonna know unless you tell him?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I hate him so much.

[Morgan]

Oh, I'm just like, I'm literally. You guys, I'm sitting here sweating over this one. I'm so mad. And I'm like, I picked it. I did this to myself.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You're like, I knew it.

[Morgan]

I knew it was coming. So the top comment, you're not wrong, but you're going to be miserable for the rest of your life if you marry this man.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Next comment. I bet he already told his mom on her they used the word mommy, which is probably more accurate. Next one. With how hard he still latched to his mother's teat. She was probably there while he read it. Can't imagine any time when reading something private in and of itself isn't a breach of trust and a betrayal. And I think he had to read it too. And that goes back to the control, like he had to like, be.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

So you're going to hear it in therapy. Like, why do you need.

[Morgan]

I know.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You're literally going to hear it.

[Morgan]

You're literally going to hear it. There's so much to unpack with this.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

One, but also such a simple solution. Just get out. Like, there's nothing to even discuss. Just leave.

[Morgan]

Have you ever broken up with someone after meeting their family?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Honestly, no. Everyone I've dated has had pretty nice families.

[Morgan]

Okay.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I haven't had that.

[Morgan]

That's becoming, I think like more of a talked about thing now.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yes.

[Morgan]

Where people are like, I need to meet the in laws way quicker off the bat.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yes.

[Morgan]

Because I'm not going to be stuck with shitty ones.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, because if they are really attached to their parents and their parents are like evil, then they are. That's not going to work. And I do have friends who have gone through that. And it's tough.

[Morgan]

It's really hard. Really hard.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

If you're gonna have kids, it's like, yeah, no.

[Morgan]

And then it's like, are you willing to cut them off?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

You get a lot of Those a lot of. Like, there's one that popped up recently where this guy was writing in. He's like, I'm not proposing until my, my girlfriend cuts off her parents and they have two kids. Like they're very intertwined already. And it's just like, what do you do at that point?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah, no, that's really tough.

[Morgan]

It is. No comments from OP yet, no update.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I hope she leaves again.

[Morgan]

It's 10 hours old. I'm gonna send her a message now and just be like, hey, like, if you ever wanna talk about this, like, read it on the pod as you. Yeah, yeah, no, I send messages to these people from my traceable.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, that's nice.

[Morgan]

My traceable Reddit account. Well, it's like hard. Cause even if I used my throwaway, then it would be like if I talk about it on the pod, then people. I feel like dots could be connected.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Of course. Yeah.

[Morgan]

So I'm like, I just send it from my.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's nice.

[Morgan]

My little Reddit. I've. I've like bought people birthday cakes before and like sent people like presents after reading their story. Like, I really, like, I get, I get attached to these people even though they don't know me at all.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's really sweet. So have you messaged people and said like, hey, you really need to get out of there? And then they did.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Wow.

[Morgan]

I get a lot of updates on that. I think like my feedback that I really appreciate the most, all of it. I really do love all of you out there, but I've had people come to live shows and be like, you are the reason I left a really bad relationship. And it's from hearing these stories.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Recognizing similar aspects that they're dealing with and being like, wait, you're saying it's not right? Like, I don't have to deal with that. So I really appreciate getting that feedback.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, that's really cool.

[Morgan]

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[Taylor Tomlinson]

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[Morgan]

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[Taylor Tomlinson]

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[Morgan]

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[Taylor Tomlinson]

For sure.

[Morgan]

Okay. This next one I know you're gonna have strong feelings for.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay.

[Morgan]

It's coming from Am I overreact? Only four days old, it is titled Am I overreacting? My husband, 26, male, locked me, 25, female, out of the house for 25 minutes.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay.

[Morgan]

My husband and I have three year old twin girls and I'm currently six months pregnant with our third. We got into an argument over letting our daughters play outside. We got hit hard with snow, but we both had work so we didn't really have a chance to let the girls play in it. We were both off today, so I thought, perfect opportunity. This was the first winter they were old enough to care about snow and they were mesmerized by it. So this morning I told my husband, I'm going to take the girls out to play. He said he didn't want to come with because it's too cold. I said, that's fine, I'm taking them. He said he didn't want any of us outside because it's too cold and the girls will get sick. I kind of just laughed and said, we won't be long. It's 25 degrees, not minus 20. I probably didn't handle it the best and I brushed him off, but he dropped it. After that, I got the girls bundled up and we headed out front. We had fun for a few minutes and they loved it. But within 10 minutes my husband was at the front door calling for the girls to come inside. They go inside and I'm kind of just standing there in the front yard, annoyed for a moment. I go to go inside only to find that he has locked the door. I'm mad now and I have to pee. I start knocking and calling for him, but he doesn't come to the door and is ignoring my texts and calls too. Even texted that I really needed to pee and he ignored that too. The most Upsetting part is that I could hear one of my daughters crying the entire time, stressed out knowing her mom is outside. So I stopped knocking and I just sat on our porch. 25 minutes go by, and he finally comes and unlocks the door. I push past him to go to the bathroom because, yeah, I'm mad. I'm about to pee myself and freezing. At that point, he's smiling like it's funny and saying, quote, oh, I thought you said it's not that cold. What's wrong? We haven't spoken much today after that. He has genuinely never done something like this before. He's caring and not punishing or vindictive, so this really is not his nature. I'm appalled and really hurt. I understand I annoyed him by taking the girls out, and he thinks I undermined his parenting. But I am a grown woman. He doesn't get to punish me by locking me out of my own home. Or maybe he's justified. I don't know. I feel crazy. Am I overreacting?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

No. What?

[Morgan]

I immediately just want to be like, divorce.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Well, it's so weird. It's so hard when people say, like, they've never done anything like this before, and it's completely out of character. And I'm like, that just seems so crazy. But, like, I guess people fuck up sometimes, but just, like, that's just something that would never even enter my mind to do.

[Morgan]

No.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

So I can't imagine doing it by mistake, you know, because that's like, that's malicious and intentional. It's not like something slipped your mind or being inconsiderate.

[Morgan]

No.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Or selfish. Like, those all feel more impulsive. And this just feels mean.

[Morgan]

I know. I feel like for me, I'm like, borderline slash. Maybe just does, like, feel abusive?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

And some people might jump and be like, morgan, it's not that dramatic. He was just trying to show her how cold it was. And it's like, no, but, like, the minute you start punishing your partner, like, I feel like that's when it. Like, it is abuse. Like, even stonewalling. If you get stonewalled and ignored for days at a time, like, I think that can be really difficult. Like, I don't. I don't know with this one. And I'm kind of in the same boat as you, where I'm like, there's been nothing before this, because this is, like, 0 to 100.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah. I'm like, there's really been nothing. Like, is he sick? Like, does he have a brain tumor? Is his personality completely different? Now, like, yeah. Cause that seems like a real 180. If there's never been anything.

[Morgan]

I'm just shook.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

And to do that for 25 minutes and then open the door and still be proud of the decision, like, that's plenty of time for you to cool down, too.

[Morgan]

I would have, like, immediately, because she had her phone. I would have, like, gone in an Uber.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Gone to a little coffee shop nearby. I would have, like, you're going to fuck with me. And here's where I get like. I'm like, okay, am I petty? Am I toxic? Maybe I would have just been, like, diabolically mean back. And I'm like, that's not healthy.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Like, I know.

[Morgan]

I'm just like, but you're going to lock me out as our kids are crying?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You can't leave when your kid's crying. Probably. Like, it would. I think that would be hard to be. Like, I'm gonna jump in an Uber while my kid's crying inside.

[Morgan]

Knife to the heart. Like, ugh. But, like, how bad of a parent is he? Locking you out, hearing your kids cry, and then still keeping the door locked.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah, no, that's really scary.

[Morgan]

I think, honestly. Brain tumor. Something's wrong.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's kind of how I feel. If he's really never been like this and she is like, I'm so confused. It's completely out of character. He's never been like this. I don't even recognize this person. I am kind of like, what's going on? Like, what's wrong?

[Morgan]

He needs a brain scan.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah. Or a couple of a parasite. Do parasites do that? Do parasites make you mean? Like, I'm like, what. What could possibly be going on?

[Morgan]

Addiction, maybe.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I'm like, yeah, something.

[Morgan]

Yeah, something's going on. If this is truly not him.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Some people, though, like, do change when you start getting more locked down. Like, I know some people have talked about and we've had stories on the show where they get pregnant and immediately their partner does a 180, and it's like, whoa. Like, now that I'm locked in. I know. But this is the third. Six months pregnant also. She's six months pregnant.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Six months pregnant. I forgot about that. She's insane. I just don't know why the third kid would make you switch. Flip like that. How old are they again?

[Morgan]

He's 26.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's what I'm saying.

[Morgan]

She's 25.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Being in your 20s, you change so much. Like, your brain's still developing. Like, maybe he's just becoming a dick. Honestly, I was a completely different person when I was 26.

[Morgan]

I just like, I still, I'm just like, what the fuck is wrong with him? It's like, I know our brains, like people are like, your brain never stops developing. It's not 26 for guys or whatever the common trope is. But you were upset that you didn't want your kids outside in the cold, but then you leave your six months pregnant wife outside in the cold. Also, if the kids are properly dressed, it's not a big deal. People leave their babies outside in Sweden.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yep.

[Morgan]

They just park them outside and they go into the cafe. Yep. It's like, it's a thing there. I want to go, I want to experience it. I want to find like an adult sized sleeping bag, an adult sized stroller, and I just want to go, like, take a nap in the snow.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That seems so comfy.

[Morgan]

This could be an experience they could sell.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I also was kind of like, is she dressed for the snow when he locked her out?

[Morgan]

I know. Because she probably wasn't planning on being out there.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah. That's why I'm like, I feel like I don't know. And she had to pee.

[Morgan]

Yeah, See, I would have just peed myself. I just wouldn't like. I hate him.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I really hate him so much.

[Morgan]

I hate him. There's only one comment from op.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay.

[Morgan]

You know, I think with AI recently, a lot of people jump to, this is a bot. OP responds, unfortunately not a bot. And this is my real life. I just opened Reddit and I am genuinely overwhelmed with all of the responses. Crying emoji.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Aww.

[Morgan]

That was a full 24 hours after the original post. So the comment was 3 days ago. After that, no comments, no update yet. So hopefully we get one.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's tough too, because I have three kids.

[Morgan]

They do. And the top comment I think really does like talk her down and just be like, you are not overreacting.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Because she's questioning her sanity.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah. No, the fact that he didn't apologize immediately is crazy. Like, even if you did something that messed up, if he had opened the door after like 10 minutes and been like, I'm sorry, that was a bad joke.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That would be different than 25 minutes. Opens the door smiling.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

To make a point.

[Morgan]

I think that smirk, that would have just like, are you serious? Like when someone smirks at you. So the top comment has 6k upvotes, not overreacting. There's a big difference between going outside and actively playing in the snow for a few minutes and sitting out in the freezing cold, people take kids skiing all the time. There are also countries that leave their kids outside to nap in the snow in their prams. Also, it isn't even about being cold so much. He refused you access to your own home. He separated you from your children while they were distressed. He could have made you soil yourself and showed your girls that men don't need to respect the women they are in a relationship with. All to teach you a lesson because you dared not agree with his every opinion and decided to create a beautiful moment for your kids instead. How would he have felt if you had to go to your neighbor to use the bathroom and explain exactly why to them? Would he have been embarrassed to other people for them to have known what he did to you? Or would he have stood by it? I would be keeping an eye on that type of behavior to make sure he doesn't escalate. His actions were completely over the top and totally out of proportion to the situation because he also did get asked to go outside.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

He could have bundled up and been out there having fun with his kids.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

But he choose not to.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That guy needs therapy. Not couples therapy. He needs therapy individually.

[Morgan]

I feel like maybe anger management too.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

This is so retaliative. Retaliative. Retaliatory.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Retaliatory.

[Morgan]

Yeah. Thank you. Like, he didn't want to go. And then I think from the minute he said no, and she was like, well, I'm still gonna do it anyways. He was planning on how he could get back at her.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

And so he didn't go with. After they went outside, he stayed there and then slammed the door. Like, sometimes I just wish people would, like, just get, like, just like knocked over by, like, not killed, but just.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Like, stuck some sense into him a little.

[Morgan]

Yeah, yeah. Hit with a snowball.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah. Fall over while you're tying your shoe slip on ice.

[Morgan]

Like something that's just like, karmic universe taking control and helping, but not terrible. But I will definitely keep you posted if we get an update on this one and the last one. But one last one for you.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay.

[Morgan]

Okay. I'm gonna give you a choice. Option one, am I the asshole for not showing more sympathy for my wife when she mangled her hand using a gift from her mother that I told her was dangerous? Or option two, my 30 male wife, 31, female of five years, built a secret Facebook slash Instagram page of me, befriended as many of my exes she could find to get dirt on past relationships. I feel violated beyond words.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That One. I want that one.

[Morgan]

Okay. It was an easy decision. Everyone's gonna be like, morg, Are you fucking kidding? I had to be sure.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I appreciate the choice.

[Morgan]

Okay, this is gonna be good. He does end it with, is it time to leave? So to get this out there, I have zero personal social media presence, save for LinkedIn. I do, however, have several businesses, and each one of those has a separate social media profile that are pretty independent of each other. So I'm not a total noob when it comes to social media. But I'm still actually shocked that she, my wife, was able to pull this off. Things got really weird last week when a girl that I had been on a few dates with when I was 21 or 22 contacted me through one of my business pages. At first it was a little weird because I honestly hadn't thought about her in almost a decade. But she was friendly and said something like she was sorry to come at me out of the blue and had gotten my contact info from a mutual friend. But she told me that she thought someone was running a fake Facebook profile with my name. I honestly thought it was some setup to tell me that she had secretly had a baby and was calling me all these years later to say it was mine. That would have been less weird than the truth. I searched for my name and sure enough, there was one. Same for Instagram. My wife and I moved from across the country, so the account was based in my hometown, which I suppose is one of the reasons I never came across it. I looked through the friends list, and there were a few friends from high school, an aunt I never talked to, but as I looked closer, I would say 30 out of the 44 friends this profile had were either ex girlfriends, former friends with benefits, flings, and girls that had crushes on me in high school. Wife and I went to the same high school.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay.

[Morgan]

But didn't date through college.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay.

[Morgan]

The page was not active, but did have some very recent pics from our house, vacations and whatnot. It could not have been more clear that my wife set up the account because I had seen her take some of these photos from her phone, so an elaborate hacking was next to impossible. I confronted her about it, and at first she denied it, and then she tried to accuse me of having the account to get in touch with exes. She then went to, oh, it must be hacking. I said I wasn't buying any of it, and she actually walked out on me and was gone for basically the entire weekend. I was so angry I didn't Even bother trying to find out where she went. She showed up on Sunday and basically confessed to everything. What she claims happens is she found out that I had slept with one of her friends, which is absolutely not true, and was overcome with jealousy and decided that she had to figure out details of my past. So she created the account and searched out girls she knew I had dated, contacted friends and family to see if she missed any, and then would try to start conversations with them. I demanded to see the account and conversations, but she had deleted the account and everything was gone forever. She has just given me vagaries of what she said in those conversations. But I have a feeling that no matter what, she made me out to be a total psychopath. Because who else would contact all of these exes? She says she didn't make me look bad, but I can't imagine how that is even possible. I must look like a total stalker asshole to so many people in my hometown and region. I told her what really bothered me is that I never slept with her friend. And even if I did, the rational thing would have been to just talk to me, not go fucking crazy. In my present state of mind, I can't imagine staying with her. But I've never been a rash person. We have no kids, so we can essentially make a clean break. But I just want to get a different perspective. Is it time to leave?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah. Are any of the comments saying no?

[Morgan]

Would you be surprised?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yes.

[Morgan]

I could. Reddit.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I would be surprised.

[Morgan]

Reddit doesn't like jump into divorce.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

What?

[Morgan]

Yeah, people really don't like.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's wild. I mean, that's a crazy one.

[Morgan]

I think it's also the fact that she didn't fall on her sword right away.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

No. Like it wasn't like, secret room doesn't look so bad now, huh? Really, really coming around on the secret room, aren't we?

[Morgan]

Uh huh.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's crazy.

[Morgan]

Yeah. And the fact 30 but then I'm like, okay, 30. Are you kind of a little bit of a player? Like, am I getting the full story from you? I still think she. That is way too wild. Like, that's unhinged behavior.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You think maybe he did sleep with a friend? No.

[Morgan]

No.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Okay. No.

[Morgan]

I think that she's using that as like an easy ploy because especially if they're still friends. Like I would kind of ask myself, like, well, if you found out that I slept with your friends, your friend, why am I. Why are you still friends with her? So I do think she's just a little unhinged, insecure, 31.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah. You can't do that at 31. 21. 21. 21. That's a funny story.

[Morgan]

21.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You know, we all did that at 21. We're all making fake Instagrams.

[Morgan]

Never had one.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Really?

[Morgan]

Never.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Never had. I made one one time and it.

[Morgan]

What'd you do on it?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I didn't do anything because Instagram told my contacts.

[Morgan]

No.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yep. I made one once for a second, but it was connected to my. Oh, my God. Yes.

[Morgan]

It sabotaged you.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

It did. So some of whoever, like, put their contact number in Instagram. I don't know. My old roommate texted me and said, hey, is this you? Because my phone just texted me. Instagram just texted me. Your contact, Taylor Tomlinson, just joined Instagram as fake name I made up.

[Morgan]

Stop.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yep.

[Morgan]

Why would Instagram embarrass you like that?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

And then one of my exes followed the account and I was like, I wasn't even getting on this to stalk you specifically.

[Morgan]

But now he thinks, yeah, probably.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Probably. But, yeah, that was the only time I ever tried. In my 20s.

[Morgan]

People make Finstas then.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I don't know. I'm too scared to try again.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I don't know how people do it.

[Morgan]

Let us know in the comments if you're.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Please help us out.

[Morgan]

Top comment. She needs professional help, and you should see a lawyer.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yes.

[Morgan]

Honestly, even, you know, even on this one, they're okay with the jump to divorce, which really surprises me.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Well, really, I mean, that to me is.

[Morgan]

People yell at me all the time for jumping.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Really?

[Morgan]

They're like, of course you're jumping to divorce. No, they need to talk. And I'm like, oh, my gosh. I don't know if there's much to talk about.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah, that's. There's nothing to talk about with this one. That's insane.

[Morgan]

Would it have been redeemable for you? Okay. She lied about it initially. Okay. She goes away for the weekend to decompress. She comes home, comes clean and shows him everything. Because I will say for me, it does become worse that she deleted everything.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Because then I'm like, it would be better. Yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

If she had done that.

[Morgan]

Redeemable.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

We're still not staying. Okay.

[Morgan]

Couples therapy couldn't save you.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You're 31. You're 31.

[Morgan]

I know.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

And that's, like, illegal, what you're doing, I think. Right.

[Morgan]

Feels like it.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

It feels illegal.

[Morgan]

Especially like. It's just so I'm trying to, like, put my head in her head to be like, why would you do this? But I'm like, were you sending nudes of your husband to these women to try to, like.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I didn't even go there.

[Morgan]

Elicit an affair. Like, what were you sending them? What were you trying to see? Who you can and can't trust from his past?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I feel like she was trying to see if he was gonna cheat on.

[Morgan]

Her, but she was him.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Like, you're so right. That makes no sense.

[Morgan]

She was him.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

It doesn't make any sense. Maybe she was trying to go back and see if he had slept with anybody from his past. And so he was. She was, like, trying to get in touch with these women, hoping that, like, it would become clear that he had cheated on her with one of them or something.

[Morgan]

I mean, but just, like, go through his phone while he's asleep like a normal person.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Truly. Yeah. This was wild.

[Morgan]

Like, I. I think, like, there's other means to that.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Morgan]

Other methods to the madness. Like, I don't know.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's so insane. But also, you know, let's hear her side, I guess, because maybe he did some really crazy shit and then we're like, you're totally justified doing your crazy shit.

[Morgan]

I know. We have no update. Nothing else ever came of this. It is from March 27, 2018, so almost eight years. One of my Reddit friends, directcatopillar77, found it. So if an update ever does exist, rest assured they will find it. That's all we got.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Wow.

[Morgan]

How you feeling?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Honestly?

[Morgan]

A little emotional.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Exhausted.

[Morgan]

Yeah.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

This is crazy. Yeah. Can you do more than one of these episodes in a day?

[Morgan]

I try not to, because I couldn't, but I'm like, I'm going to New York next week, and I have right now four episodes in three days.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah, I feel.

[Morgan]

Stresses me out.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I feel that was hard on my body.

[Morgan]

I know.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That was hard on my body. In my mind. No, it's okay. It was good. But I feel like I just did math for an hour.

[Morgan]

Are you good at math? No. I know. Me either.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Not at all.

[Morgan]

I really wanna work on that this year.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Math.

[Morgan]

Mm.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That's so funny.

[Morgan]

I just need to be better.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

It's so funny as an adult to be like, I really need to work on math.

[Morgan]

I accidentally. I tried to do math from, like, 1984 and, like, compute. How many years that's been. And I said, like, 30 something, and I'm like, I just wanna embarrass myself less.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You just want. You were just working on, like, addition and subtraction and, like, the basics? Yeah.

[Morgan]

Really?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Of course. Okay. Yeah, Yeah. I can see that.

[Morgan]

Math camp for adults. If anyone has Rex, let me know.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

But.

[Morgan]

Yeah, that's. That's my goal for this year.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

No, I feel like I did a bunch of word problems just now.

[Morgan]

I know. I'm so sorry.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

No, it's okay. This was great.

[Morgan]

Does it make you feel a little bit better, though, about, like, maybe your orbit and how things are going?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

I mean, I feel great that you said I seem healed.

[Morgan]

That unbelievably so.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

And I do feel. I feel a little impressed with myself that I. Stupid. I feel kind of stupid.

[Morgan]

No. Why?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

That I did those first two that I didn't, like, know what was going on.

[Morgan]

You were warming up. You were warming up.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Maybe.

[Morgan]

Has your take changed on the first one and the second one?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

No.

[Morgan]

You have no excuse.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

No. Honestly, you think by this I still.

[Morgan]

Hindsight has not given you 2020 vision?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

No. I think that guy is trying to get good at photography and he's embarrassed. And I think secret room should have.

[Morgan]

Stayed secret for how long?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Till you had a kid or forever?

[Morgan]

See, now I see a secret room in your future. And then this could be a great place to put your $7,000 glove from Hugh Jackman.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Hugh Jackman. Yeah. I gave it to my manager. She's hard to shop for.

[Morgan]

Wow.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Yeah, I framed it and gave it to my manager.

[Morgan]

Healed and generous. Wow.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Healed and generous. That's my next special.

[Morgan]

That's your next one.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Generous.

[Morgan]

Where can people find you? How can they watch you?

[Taylor Tomlinson]

You can watch my latest special on Netflix, Prodigal Daughter, out February 24th. And I also have three more Netflix specials on there. So if you don't like the new one, maybe try one of the old ones.

[Morgan]

You're gonna like all of them, I'm sure. I'm so excited for the new one. All of the links will be in the description, as well as for Taylor's YouTube, if you want to see some of the confessions, I went down the rabbit hole on those.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, did you?

[Morgan]

Yeah. And like your friend Dustin, I think the two of you just clamoring over those.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

We've been friends a long time. Yeah. We're like siblings. It's really fun.

[Morgan]

I loved it. And like, there you had one. And I never thought I would hear this as a sentence, but someone confessed that they had sex in a cemetery in a hammock.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Oh, yes. That was a good one. Someone said that the weirdest place that they'd ever had sex was in a cemetery in a hammock. And we were like, we have so many questions. Did you bring the hammock? Was the hammock there? Was it day or night?

[Morgan]

I know.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Whose idea was it? Was it fun? Do you regret it? Why? Did you tell anyone this? I know that was one of the.

[Morgan]

Best ones we got for you have a lot of good content out there. So I will make it really easy to find Taylor. But thank you so much for coming on.

[Taylor Tomlinson]

Thank you so much for having me. This was very cozy and triggering.

[Morgan]

I'm so sorry. Until next time, guys. Bye, Sa.