TJG: In The City S1 E5!

Summary

Two Judgey Girls – In The City S1 E5! (June 18, 2026)

Episode Overview

Courtney (from LA) and Mary (from the Bay Area) reunite virtually to dive into the latest episode of Bravo’s "In The City," alongside discussion of pop culture happenings, Summer House news, and plenty of judgy analysis of reality TV relationships and personalities. This episode provides a detailed commentary on the "In The City" spin-off, its cast dynamics, the state of reality TV spinoffs, and the classic Bravo drama at the heart of it all.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Pop Culture Catch-Up: Awards, Nostalgia, and Girl Groups

Timestamps: 03:12 – 08:09

• The girls open by recapping their own reality TV consumption, from "In The City" to Summer House to Las Culturistas awards.
  • Courtney: “Las Culturistas was on last night too. Exciting stuff because Sierra—she won the Allison Williams cool girl award, which I believe is what Paige won last year.” (03:27)
  • Mary: “Mia is so cute. She linked her Uber driver. She’s just like funny. She gets it.” (03:49)
  • Courtney doubts some show moments are spontaneous: “I feel like that was pre-written…those awards are pre-picked.” (03:54)
• The girls reminisce about Mandy Moore’s "A Walk to Remember" performance at a recent event, and Mary shares memories of meeting Mandy as a teen.
• Discussion of early-2000s pop stars and career trajectories—Mandy Moore, Jessica Simpson, and wishful thinking about a "Simpsons sisters" tour.
  • Mary: "I'm a big Ashley girly." (07:44)
• Notable Quote:
  • Courtney: “This is us. Is she … of all the pop girls now of that time… she’s probably the biggest one of still having a career right now.” (06:21)

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2. The Bravo Universe: Shifting Casts and Spin-Off Strategies

Timestamps: 08:09 – 14:25

• Bravo’s spinoff strategy comes under analysis. Courtney and Mary surmise that "In The City" is both a soft launch for new cast members (esp. Sierra) and an intentional departure from the dramatic, more "live-feed" style of Summer House.
  • Mary: “I think Sierra’s gonna phase out.” (09:23)
  • Courtney: “If they want to put all their eggs in their Sierra basket... Amanda’s definitely not returning... It’s okay.” (09:33)
• Debate about the future of Real Housewives of New York (Roni):
  • Mary: “Wouldn’t it be wild if the Legacy Roni and Roni was airing at the same time?” (11:12)
  • Courtney: “Sometimes it feel a really big inside joke that I’m not a part of and I hope to be a part of an inside joke one day. But still fun.” (04:31)
• The pair compare franchise crossovers to Marvel Avengers:
  • Courtney: "...these rehook its are our Avengers movies." (12:32)
• Curiosity about how Lisa Barlow will fare in upcoming franchise crossovers and the impact of nostalgia marketing in these spin-offs.

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3. "In The City" vs "Summer House": Format and Enjoyment

Timestamps: 20:53 – 22:24

• Courtney and Mary give their "grades" for the show so far:
  • Courtney: “I’m giving it a solid B.” (20:57)
  • Mary: “I would give it a B minus. I will definitely watch a second season.” (21:27)
• Differences in filming style compared to Summer House:
  • Mary: “Think about Summer House—they have over 48 hours of straight film... This is not as much content.” (21:21)
  • Day-in-the-life energy as opposed to weekend-long, drama-filled "live feeds."

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4. Cast Dynamics Deep Dive: What Works, What Doesn't

Timestamps: 22:24 – 30:25

Kyle & Amanda’s Disintegrating Relationship

• Both hosts find the dynamic both heartbreaking and fascinating:
  • Courtney: “I’m still interested watching Kyle and Amanda and the disintegration of that and also just the dynamics of them and figuring out too, like, you are doing a little bit of the FBI work...” (22:24)
  • Mary: “Her tears at the end as she's moving out was so sad. She's like, I thought we were gonna have, like, this last night in the apartment together, but you got wasted. And the reason why I'm moving out is because of this.” (44:07)
  • Courtney: “Kyle gets his energy for being surrounded by people. When he's drinking and partying, he's forgetting all of his worries. Amanda's the opposite… they both have different paths to get to the same point.” (43:25)
• The split is depicted as inevitable and a long time coming, with Amanda moving out as the "first step to getting there."
  • Mary: “This actually helps our timeline… I believe at this point, she isn’t hooking up with West…” (45:08)
  • Courtney: "At this point, it's not worth saving for either of them. It's sad for her to have a breakdown the night before because he's gone. Regardless if she was high the night before." (46:57)
  • Notable Quote:
    • Mary: “She's with Kyle 2.0, but with less drive.” (47:43)

Danielle and Lindsay—Homewrecker Rumors, Group Chats, and Friendship Tension

• The rumor about Danielle dating someone still legally married sparks debate and suspicion.
  • Mary: “I questioned if she was faking the tears.” (26:11)
  • Courtney: “I think they were so Wasted at the end of that trolley ride that it was like, almost an overreaction...” (26:17)
  • Mary: “I think she's going to get a ring soon. I have a feeling.” (51:50)
• Discussion on Danielle’s persistent loyalty, possible victim complex, and comparison to iconic reality TV characters (East Coast Kristen Doty, later rebranded as Janet from The Valley).
  • Courtney: “Danielle is always the first to something, but then she just keeps on saying it… Like, Kristen and her [are] more similar. But now I think she's actually the Janet. And I mean that complimentary.” (28:15)
• Amanda’s outlier status in the friend group, contrasted with the more organic, steady friendships between Danielle, Katie DeLuca, and others.

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5. Supporting Cast: Lighter Moments and Star Potentials

Timestamps: 23:16 – 24:47, 39:09 – 42:05

• Georgina is “an insane person and I love her for it”—her poopy diaper anecdote stands out.
  • Courtney: “You couldn’t waterboard that information out of me. But then I thought she was so hungover.” (37:31)
• Kenny’s “villain edit” is one the girls enjoy despite attempts at humanization (“he’s a great villain. I think he’s interesting to watch. He’s good reality TV.” - Mary, 23:04)
• Yvonne’s comedic timing and unique voice, though the hosts want more from her and other supporting players.
• Calls for more backstory and context for tertiary characters like Gavin and Katie DeLuca.

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6. Standout Segments and Memorable Quotes

Timestamps: throughout

• On Amanda’s Swimsuit Line:
  • Courtney: “Also, the bathing suit was ugly. I’m sorry, it was ugly.” (35:00)
• On the Bravo “Party Bus” Business Model:
  • Courtney: “What if he started his own party bus from the city to the Hamptons sponsored by lover boy.” (53:04)
  • Mary: “Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.” (53:11)
• On Relationships and Moving On:
  • Mary: “I think this actually helps our timeline because we know this is, like, October 30th around there. And I believe at this point, she isn't hooking up with West...we're slowly making the timeline shorter.” (45:08)
• On Amanda and Danielle’s Friendship Triangle with Katie:
  • Courtney: “So Danielle probably knows more about Katie than Amanda does… Amanda might be being a selfish friend.” (60:51)
• On The Core Cast’s Drama vs. Cross-Cameos:
  • Courtney: “I also don't expect...that much drama. I expect it to be more of an excitement of celebrating all these franchises...when they Visit all the franchises, the other housewives are the ones who are going to be starting the drama.” (12:55)

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7. Episode Wrap-Up: Grades and Looking Forward

Timestamps: 65:32 – 66:00

• Final grades improve after discussion; Mary shifts her rating:
  • Mary: “After talking with you, Courtney, I’m actually gonna give it a B plus.” (65:51)
• Hopes for Carl’s involvement in future seasons.
• Continued excitement for the overarching Bravo drama machine.

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “Las Culturistas was on last night too. Exciting stuff because Sierra—she won the Allison Williams cool girl award...” – Courtney (03:27)
• “I would pay almost a hundred dollars to see that [Jessica and Ashley Simpson tour].” – Courtney (07:02)
• “I feel like that was pre written. I don’t think that actually happened…those awards are pre picked.” – Courtney (03:54)
• “Of all the pop girls now of that time… she’s probably the biggest one of still having a career right now.” – Courtney (06:21)
• “Her tears at the end as she’s moving out was so sad.” – Mary (44:07)
• “Amanda’s never going to be free because she’s shackles of her own mind, but they’re free from each other.” – Courtney (47:20)
• “Danielle is always the first to something, but then she just keeps on saying it…” – Courtney (28:15)
• “Also, the bathing suit was ugly. I’m sorry, it was ugly.” – Courtney (35:00)
• “I think at the end of the day, it’s a big party and I hope people are celebrating.” – Courtney (64:22)
• “Minus the Kyle and Amanda stuff, which is fascinating, it’s still weirdly light and I’m enjoying it.” – Courtney (65:32)
• “After talking with you, Courtney, I’m actually gonna give it a B plus.” – Mary (65:51)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Pop Culture & Awards Rundown: 03:12 – 08:09
• Bravo Franchise Analysis: 08:09 – 14:25
• Show Grading & Filming Structure Discussion: 20:53 – 22:24
• Kyle & Amanda Relationship Breakdown: 22:24 – 32:24
• Lighter Cast Moments (Georgina’s Story, Supporting Cast): 23:16 – 24:47, 37:31 – 39:09
• Petrole/Loverboy Party Bus Concept: 52:14 – 54:55
• Amanda, Danielle, and Katie Friendship Analysis: 56:40 – 60:51
• Final Grades and Closing Thoughts: 65:32 – 66:01

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Final Thoughts

This episode delivers a balanced blend of playful banter, sharp pop culture analysis, and genuine dissection of reality TV relationships. Courtney and Mary flex their reality TV expertise and keep the conversation lively, judgy, and full of nostalgia and anticipation for both Bravo’s future and the ongoing soap opera in “In The City.” If you want the "inside baseball" of Bravo fandom, with hot takes and memorable quotes, this episode is a must-listen.

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[Mary]

Welcome back to two Judgy Girls. This is Mary from the Bay and

[Courtney]

it's Courtney from la. And I will tell you I had like a big night of TV last night.

[Mary]

Okay, what did you get into?

[Courtney]

Well, I had to catch up. I hadn't watched in the city yet. Obviously I had to watch the Valley. Also, Las Culturistas was on last night too. Exciting stuff because Sierra, she won the Allison Williams cool girl award, which I believe is what Paige won last year.

[Mary]

Oh, okay.

[Courtney]

And then Mia from Summer House won Best vibe. And so just seeing the two of them, I'm like, they're the future.

[Mary]

Mia is so cute. She linked her Uber driver. She's just like funny. She gets it.

[Courtney]

I feel like that was pre written. I don't think that actually happened. I think that was just a silly speech that they had writers do for her.

[Mary]

Oh, I. I thought it was her telling a joke. You think they have like a teleprompter for them to read their speech?

[Courtney]

Yes. All those awards are pre picked. What do you think they have already told the winners? The winners are going to be there.

[Mary]

That they'll not even surpr.

[Courtney]

No, I don't believe so at all. I think that's why they're there.

[Mary]

Oh, okay.

[Courtney]

Yeah, it's not like the Oscars, unfortunately.

[Mary]

Got it, got it, got it, got it.

[Courtney]

But they're still very cool. Paige and Hannah were there. Bronwyn was there. A lot of Bravo liberties and then some stars. It's kind of crazy because obviously Bowen was on Saturday Night Live. So you have like a lot of SNL alums and comedians. And then they've been doing that show. I think this is their fifth year doing it, but second year televised. So then they also have like all these like inside jokes. Sometimes it feel a really big inside joke that I'm not a part of and I hope to be a part of an inside joke one day. But still fun.

[Mary]

Yes. We had on Lex Nico and she had gone to it, so she kind of was able to give us a little rundown and she was obsessed with this Mandy Moore moment.

[Courtney]

Oh, okay. If you guys are A Walk to Remember fans. She sang Only Hope and I Lift My Hand. Sorry. It's just such a.

[Mary]

So I wasn't A Walk to Remember girly. However, I did meet Mandy Moore at the NSYNC concert because she was opening for them and she had, like, a booth. It was really before she was put on the map. And I'll never forget, she had an incredible amount of blush. Like, an insane, sane amount. And I just, like, remember being in seventh grade and thinking, wow, that girl wears a ton of blush.

[Courtney]

Stage makeup.

[Mary]

Yes, it really was stage makeup.

[Courtney]

Remember that song Candy? Like Candy was a bomb.

[Mary]

Missing you who like candy.

[Courtney]

She had the VW bug in the video Green.

[Mary]

I believe it was a lime green.

[Courtney]

Oh, yes. Little did we know the product placement at that point. Now we're just so much older. We can understand product placement. But at the time, she's so cool.

[Mary]

So cool.

[Courtney]

Is she. Of all the pop girls now of that time, let's say, like, Britney Christina, Mandy, Jessica. She's probably the biggest one of still having a career right now. This is us.

[Mary]

I think Jessica Simpson is making a comeback. You know, she was recently at Great and Casino.

[Courtney]

Wait, sorry, what did you just say right there? Where was she at?

[Mary]

I think right now she's doing small, tiny tours to experiment. And then potentially there could be a bigger possibility.

[Courtney]

She's got to go on tour with Ashley.

[Mary]

Oh, I. I would die.

[Courtney]

I know. I think it's a missed opportunity. The Simpsons on the road.

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[Courtney]

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[Mary]

I believe Jessica Simpson's ticket prices were about 150.

[Courtney]

That's too much. Sorry.

[Mary]

Comes from the girl that spent a couple grand to go to Coachella.

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Where I saw, like, 30 plus acts.

[Mary]

Okay, well, then it. That would be divided by. So Jessica Simpson. I think I would pay well if it had Ashley.

[Courtney]

200 for a front row. Like, where are you sitting with that 200 that you're paying?

[Mary]

Oh, I don't even have to be that close, to be honest.

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[Mary]

I'm a big Ashley girly.

[Courtney]

Oh, I know. Autobiography is your autobiography. Anyways, it was a moment to have Mandy Moore there. And then, though, it didn't even win record of the year, which bummed me out because I'm like, Mandy's literally there. You should just give it to her. That is the record of the year, even if it's from 2002.

[Mary]

What what won the record of the year?

[Courtney]

All the things she said by tattoo. You know, heated rivalry. There's so going on. Because we've got to talk about Lindsay on Gavin with Gibb. Give me the deets.

[Mary]

Well, I just saw a little clip and she says last summer was supposed to be this transitional summer, but alludes to this is the transitional summer because of the scandal. So that makes me feel good. It feels like Lindsay's gonna be making some cameos. I think Kyle will be a permanent fixture. It seems like maybe Carl as well. Couple more weeks and we'll find out.

[Courtney]

I mean, it feels like that's what we have been thinking would happen is that season 11 will now be the final season. Kind of a do over, if you will. And I'm here for it.

[Mary]

Yes. Signed up.

[Courtney]

I also wonder too if they will incorporate. Obviously we have in the city, but I wonder if they will incorporate more city scenes too. There was this Variety article. An SVP was interviewed and he was saying Sierra is the future. Like we are wanting Sierra to be the future of that show of Summer House. Yeah. Saying she has star power. Like they would love for her to be the anchor of this new version.

[Mary]

It seems like, oh, that's interesting to me because I think she's gonna phase out.

[Courtney]

I don't know. If they want to put all their eggs in their Sierra basket, then that sounds like she's got a lot of power, which to me is. Then Amanda's definitely not returning. And I don't.

[Mary]

We don't want her there.

[Courtney]

We don't want her there. It's okay.

[Mary]

I would be shocked if Amanda makes it to the summer House.

[Courtney]

I don't think anyone's looking for her there. I think if there's anything for her, it's definitely on the city. Especially as we talked about the other day too, is like with west, if that relationship's still going, I think there's interest to see what's happening with it. But as far as Summer house, summer should be fun. Amanda not fun. We've all been saying that quote for years.

[Mary]

Yes. Yes.

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Okay, tell me about this Cy and Carol thing.

[Mary]

I just like read a highlight that Cy and Carol feuding because psy mentions that Carol is in the Epstein files. That is the only thing I saw. I did not do any research on it, but do you think that will make it to camera?

[Courtney]

No.

[Mary]

Really? Now? Why?

[Courtney]

I feel like they're trying to drum up some interest of the show and it's like, honestly, if everyone tells you, you're dead. It's time to lie down. TM Heather debrow. We don't need Roni. That's rough to say, I know, but it's like the first season of the reboot didn't really work. The second season didn't work. We're really trying to save ship. And I'm like, hello, Miami. Just put the money towards Miami. We have New York shows. We have in the city. Summer House is technically a New York show. We have Next gen. We have New York shows. And I think it's okay if we let Roni go.

[Mary]

Wouldn't it be wild if the Legacy Roni and Roni was airing at the same time?

[Courtney]

Oh, and the Golden Life got better

[Mary]

viewership, and that would definitely happen.

[Courtney]

Honestly, E should take that because now that they're not even under the same network. Also, speaking of, there was a brief clip of the 20th anniversary. Rehook it.

[Mary]

I saw that.

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[Courtney]

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[Mary]

I don't like when they do the silly promos. I want to see the trailer.

[Courtney]

Okay. They want to tease you where you tease. You don't like being teased is what we're realizing.

[Mary]

I guess I would want it in more of a creative way. It was just the girls dancing. I would like more or like a nostalgic how they used to do, like, Remember that Britney Spears one where it was like, I I wanna go, go suburb. Something like that. They needed to bring it back to maybe like an older version of it. Otherwise, it was just the girls dancing in sequence. Yeah.

[Courtney]

I think I'm just excited for it.

[Mary]

Oh, that didn't excite me.

[Courtney]

Standards are too high. We're demanding too much. I'm just excited because it's like the nostalgia of 20 years of housewife. And it always makes me giggle when I see the crossover of franchises because it's like, you know, you got your Marvel Cinematic Universe and you've got the Avengers where they all come together and these rehook its are our Avengers movies.

[Mary]

I am really curious how Lisa Barlow will mesh with the group because she won't have to defend herself.

[Courtney]

She's gonna have the best time. I already know it.

[Mary]

I'm so curious.

[Courtney]

And you know what? At that last party, she already has Baby Gorgeous and she's gonna be performing it. You're just Baby Gorgeous now. I don't actually believe that, but I would love that. I also don't expect expect to have from the main cast itself that much drama. I expect it to be more of an excitement of celebrating all these franchises and that then when they Visit all the franchises. The other housewives are the ones who are going to be starting the drama. I feel like the core cast is just going to be enjoying themselves. To me also, it's like I was picked to be the representative of my franchise. I don't want to do too much to sully the name, if you will. So when we go visit them, they can do all of that. And then I could just travel and continue to go to the next one. It's almost like a Through the Looking Glass.

[Mary]

I completely agree with you. I mean, we had already heard that in Miami there was some drama between the women. And I think at Bluestone Manor there's some other drama amongst other franchises. Yes. Yeah.

[Courtney]

So I think that's where like the drama will come in. But I expect the core cast to all be hanging out and enjoying themselves and I want that for them too. Sometimes it feels very stressful, like watching these. I don't always need for there to be conflict. Some of the most fun parts is like when they're all getting along in the city. This week I thought it was so fun watching them all on the trolley together until it went to hell.

[Mary]

I just want to party with these people. Yeah, I want to see them have parties and have fun and let's take a break and get into it.

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[Mary]

What grade would you give in the city so far?

[Courtney]

So I'm actually enjoying in the city. I think having the comparison to Summer House is actually hurting in the city which is why I think, like, Lynn, Lindsay and Kyle are doing so much behind the scenes work. Threading about it, pushing it. Bravo is doing that too, because it's not as dramatic as it is. And some people are like, I don't want to see their marriage. I don't want to see this. Or they hate Amanda that much. I'm enjoying it. I thought it was fun. I'm giving it a solid B. I

[Mary]

would give it a B minus. I will definitely watch a second season. I. I think people need to realize too, it's filmed extremely differently. Think about Summer House. They have over 48 hours of straight film at least every weekend. This is not as much content. You know, they're going to a baby influencer brunch. That is what, an hour?

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary]

I mean, the trolley ride, that was probably, I would assume, six to eight hours of filming. That whole day, that experience. Yvonne, Nick, and Danielle going to brunch, what, two hours, three hours?

[Courtney]

It's like a regular reality show now. We're a vanderpump. We're a valley. We are just. We're any of the housewives. We're not just live feeds anymore. We are just watching them in their lives.

[Mary]

Yes. So it's very different the way that it's filmed and how the story transpires. Yeah.

[Courtney]

And I'm still interested watching Kyle and Amanda and the disintegration of that and also just the dynamics of them and figuring out too, like, you are doing a little bit of the FBI work too, of like, oh, okay. She's, like, definitely checked out or like, he's checked out. That's still interesting to me. I am interested with this Danielle storyline. I find that fascinating watching her and Lindsay battle this friendship. And should we, shouldn't we? Kenny's dad's storyline is actually very interesting to me. It's tough, though, because I'm like, we've introduced him as such a villain and now we're trying to humanize him a little bit. So that is a little drastic. But I want to watch what goes on with that too.

[Mary]

I love Kenny. I'm super invested in this storyline. I think he's a great villain. I think he's interesting to watch. He's good reality tv. And I can't say that about the entire cast.

[Courtney]

Like who?

[Mary]

I just feel like Lexi and Andrea, it's not really hitting. I want to warm up more to Yvonne. I think her voice is funny. She has good comedic timing and she doesn't know it, but I feel like it's been hard to get to know

[Courtney]

everyone, because we have the cloud of chi manda that it does obviously change the story lines a little bit, but, like, Georgina. Georgina, you guys, is a star.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

I need her to go off because I know the crazy's there. I need to see it. We keep introducing Katie DeLuca as this tertiary character who's had maybe one scene on the show, but is really contributing a lot in name. I know Yvonne and Nick, I really like them too. Lexi and Andrea, it's like they're just there to be hot people. Andrea has been cast on the show to remind us how hot he is and how many abs he has, and that, to me, is okay.

[Mary]

And you can get abs from drinking

[Courtney]

Lover boy, which is why I've ordered a six pack. I'm sorry the coffee hasn't hit this morning yet, but I think outside of that, it's like, there's enough drama that's going on. I'm interested.

[Mary]

Okay. What do you think about this Danielle situation? Do you think there was overlap?

[Courtney]

She's taking this really harsh. So I do think that there is some kernel of truth to it. I don't know what, though. Obviously they got together when he's still married. Were they officially separated? I don't know. And I don't know why. I just assumed that he and his wife lived in Ireland because of his accent. And then it's like, oh, they lived in New York. And then I'm like, well, I have to remember, he was a Cal tennis player and now he's a hotelier. I'm trying to read these lower thirds. Lindsay's not just an influencer, she's a milf. And Gemma's mom, she can do more than one thing. But I think that there is some gray area of how they got together. What do you think?

[Mary]

Okay. I'm not sure about that. I think it's interesting that rumor got started. Who started that rumor? It got picked up, it got published. I love that they give this light like that. It's in a group text. I love that they're in the mess. They are reading Dumois, and I think that's how they get information themselves, which I find fascinating.

[Courtney]

Oh, and Reddit. The Reddit thread is the one that is like, oh, this is wild.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Yes. I'm like, which sub was that on?

[Mary]

I know, I know. Okay. With Danielle getting off the trolley and she started crying, and then I noticed she had her body back to the camera.

[Courtney]

Okay.

[Mary]

So I questioned if she was faking the tears.

[Courtney]

I think they were so Wasted at the end of that trolley ride that it was like, almost an overreaction, that she was just so drunk. Like, they're so drunk at this point. Because if we go with your timeline of six to eight hours on this trolley, on this filming, they are consuming a lot of lover boys at every bar that they're going into to try to sell lover boy they're taking shots at.

[Mary]

Right. I don't know. There was something about me that questioned the authenticity of the tears, and I just really noticed she had her back to the camera.

[Courtney]

So do you think she's perpetuating this rumor then, or do you think she's trying to be more victimized or what do you think?

[Mary]

Maybe victimized. And I. Maybe she's like, well, this is my storyline. I guess I'm gonna fall in line to it.

[Courtney]

Is this the storyline you want, though? I don't think I want this storyline. I think the storyline I want is, like, I thought it was just me and Lindsay. That was the storyline. I don't think I want to be the home wrecker or have this homewrecker rumor.

[Mary]

But she knows it's gonna air, so now she kind of has to lean into it and pull out the tears and be sad about it and, you know, tell everyone it's not true.

[Courtney]

Well, the funny part is, too, is, like, Amanda leading the charge on this because, like, lol of where we are now. Oh, Danielle, he's married, babe. So are you. And now I think you're realizing that, hey, you can still be legally married, but separated or done with your relationship, and it's paperwork. And maybe that is what Danielle's situation is too. But you're pushing this so hard because maybe we're projecting a little.

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[Mary]

Well, and. And I think what you just said there is probably all true about Danielle, that he is just waiting for the paperwork and they were separated and they got together.

[Courtney]

See, Danielle, to me also was always the East Coast Kristen Doty.

[Mary]

Oh, okay.

[Courtney]

I don't know why that was always a comparison for me, like Kristen and her more similar. But now I think she's actually the Janet. And I mean that complimentary because I'm actually. I like Janet, and I'm going to get a lot of hate for that. So if you don't want to listen to the Valley recap, don't do it. But you should anyways. But outside of this rumor, Danielle is actually right. And Lindsay has said this. Most of the cast has said this. She's just early in being correct, but she's Also somebody that can't stop herself of saying it once and moving on. And so she like repeats and repeats repeats where it just gets annoying and it's too much. But I think that Danielle and Janet could be similar to each other.

[Mary]

I am totally buying into this. I like this comparison. And. And I'm a board.

[Courtney]

Yvonne and Nick and Owen and Danielle have all gone to Jenga brunch with shots and they're talking about their relationship with Lindsay and Yvonne and Danielle. It really does come back to the fact of what Amanda said because Danielle can have these conversations with these people, but she hates Amanda and she doesn't respect Amanda and she never will respect Amanda. And at the end of the day, it is is probably correct because of where Amanda is.

[Mary]

Like you said, Danielle is always the first to something, but then she just keeps on saying it. So she was probably one of the first to not like Amanda. Now everyone's taking it.

[Courtney]

Remember that game, who do you trust the least? In season four of Summer House? And she said Amanda's and Amazon.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Where she was wearing a ass bun.

[Mary]

Also, the amount of people that have sent us people playing in the World cup with the fuck ass bun is actually insane. How.

[Courtney]

From Norway, which I'm gonna see him next week when I go to the game. I'm very excited about that. But he rocks a beautiful ass bun. I love him.

[Mary]

Okay. I don't know anything about soccer.

[Courtney]

Oh, Mary, you better be going tomorrow, 12:00pm USA. You gotta watch it. Okay. You need to be watching the World Cup.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Courtney]

I want you to. It's been tough for me because I've been watching all these games. And the reason that I got stuck with so much TV yesterday is because I keep watching all the games and then I try to do this, but there's only like maybe an hour in between games and there's four games a day.

[Mary]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Courtney]

Yeah. So I have them on in the background.

[Mary]

Columbia was on last night. Who won?

[Courtney]

Columbia did. But there's only like an hour break. So then when you're trying to do things, I'm like, oh my God, I gotta like watch the show and take notes. And I'm like, well, I'll watch it for 20 minutes. Okay.

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[Courtney]

I'll turn it back on because I'm very invested.

[Mary]

And Those games are 90 minutes, right?

[Courtney]

They are 90 minutes. 2:45 minutes has plus stoppage time plus a 20 minute halftime break. So you are committing two to three hours.

[Mary]

Yeah, yeah.

[Courtney]

And it's worth it.

[Mary]

Okay. Okay. I will jump on board tomorrow noon. I will put Charlie in a USA shirt.

[Courtney]

So cute.

[Mary]

Thank you. Okay, let's take a break and then we will deep dive this episode.

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[Courtney]

Let's start from the beginning because the editors, they're sneaky. Those little editors, they want to drop some little nuggets for us. And we get a sneak peek of Amanda rocking the Sierra bathing suit. And she's gonna have to get new friends if she wants to have new versions of her bathing suit.

[Mary]

I mean, just this one little intro. The fact that they have this line like written out for them is actually insane.

[Courtney]

Also, the bathing suit was ugly. I'm sorry, it was ugly.

[Mary]

I didn't even notice the bathing suit because I was invested in the words.

[Courtney]

But the bathing suit line is no longer in existence. It has been removed from the website. So if I was Ciara, I would be doing a collabor of a bathing suit. So anytime someone searches the Sierra bathing suit, that comes up instead. Get that SEO babe.

[Mary]

What a great revenge. This was like Amanda's dream to have this swimsuit line. Sierra could easily do one.

[Courtney]

Easily, Easily. Any brand would pick her up. Any brand has picked her up. This woman is everywhere and I love to see it.

[Mary]

She's a cover girl. Today she had a big covergirl commercial.

[Courtney]

Stop.

[Mary]

Easy breezy, beautiful cover girl.

[Courtney]

I can always remember too remember it was always like the wink picture at the back of the magazine. Like, like, yes, Taylor. Oh my God. I always was like obsessed. Like Molly Sims, all the girls. Oh, God. And then like they would do the COVID girl for America's Next Top Model for the final three.

[Mary]

Yes, yes.

[Courtney]

To be young. I miss it. Okay, so then we go to the baby influencer event for Gemma and she's riding bikes. Might be a little young, right?

[Mary]

They say you're supposed to get these balance bikes. Actually, we got one delivered yesterday, so stop.

[Courtney]

You did. You ordered one?

[Mary]

Michael's aunt sent us one because Charlie's birthday's coming Up. And so I said, why didn't you get him this?

[Courtney]

How old were you when you rode a bike? I learned it when I was seven.

[Mary]

I remember because my little sister did it before me because we, like, did it at the same time. We're super close in age. And I was like this. I was like, I have to do it. And I think I was probably in first grade, five or six. Okay.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I was like seven when I learned. But I feel like these kids, they're so good at it. Literally 2 year olds that can balance on these bikes. It's so impressive that the whole part of, like riding a bike is balancing. So they're going to be pros at it.

[Mary]

Right. And then the kids with the scooters. I can't wait for Charlie to be able to scooter.

[Courtney]

Oh, my God. It's going to be tough for you, though. You're going to have to be a runner.

[Mary]

That'll be good.

[Courtney]

He's going to be like a speed racer on those scooters.

[Mary]

Just have to teach him about stop signs and crosswalks.

[Courtney]

He's a city boy.

[Mary]

He's a city boy.

[Courtney]

But this scene, because we've gotten a flashback of it in like episode one or something where Georgina comes with her kids. And this is why Georgina, Georgina is an insane person. And I love her so much because she says so. My son had a poopy diaper. I was hung over. He wanted to put his poopy diaper back on. And so in order to just fix this, I got chocolate and rubbed it into a diaper and put it on him. And you couldn't waterboard that information out of me. But then I thought she was so hungover. And then I thought about you on Sunday.

[Mary]

I mean, desperate times, desperate measures. It's just like, like anything to make the day go by faster. And. And you can't have a struggle with everything. Sometimes you just need to give in. You know your battles.

[Courtney]

Exactly.

[Mary]

Exactly.

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[Courtney]

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[Mary]

Go for it. Snickers. Does that work? Do you like nuts?

[Courtney]

I think that's my least favorite baby shower game. Ask the poop.

[Mary]

I've never actually been to a baby shower that played that game.

[Courtney]

I don't play the game. I say, well, that's sweet.

[Mary]

Literally, yes.

[Courtney]

But when Yvonne shows up and she's like, oh, I thought we were going to brunch. Like, oh, well, there are some, like, gummy bears and crackers over there.

[Mary]

Go help yourself to the goldfish yeah.

[Courtney]

But exciting news for her is that Nick and her are going to start trying. Obviously, we know they're there. We've got three soon to be mommies. And I just hope that the producers are watching, watching the Valley right now and saying the moms need a break. The moms need a break.

[Mary]

I don't think they're gonna get that break.

[Courtney]

Danielle, I believe someone told us that she's due around Labor Day, which is probably when they pick up filming because that's always the last weekend of the summer. So Danielle maybe will get a little bit of time off. I also think about when Sheena was like seven days postpartum and, like, came back on Vanderpump Rules. But I think that Yvonne and Lexi are a few months behind her, so maybe we'll just have a pregnant season. Them. Everyone deserves time off. I really wish that there was a maternity leave clause for Bravo.

[Mary]

Well, they don't have it. They're not going to have it. Also, remember Teresa Judice giving birth on camera with full glam Audriana.

[Courtney]

Yep. And wasn't it Jacqueline's son Nick? That was her boyfriend?

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

It's cute. It's cute again. What did I do yesterday? Can't remember.

[Mary]

Okay, so then Kyle and Kenny, they have a sit down to discuss the spark comment. And I thought this was a very productive conversation, which also, once again, makes Kenny a great reality TV star. He got out what he wanted to say. Kyle was able to defend himself as well, and they were able to have resolution and move forward also.

[Courtney]

I just feel like men get over things so much more quickly. Kyle's like, I didn't even say that. And then when they flash back, everything that Kyle said was true. He was like, I was talking about the future. It was because I can relate because I feel like that's where my relationship is right now. There's no spark. Amanda and I are roommates who aggravate each other. And Kyle said, Amanda moving is one last ditch effort. And it's very clear to me what's happening. We're at ground zero, but we're not. I'm like, what's happening, Kyle? This is done. And I think her moving out was really the last ditch effort to be amicable in a separation.

[Mary]

I also am very excited because I imagine at this reunion, Andy's gonna ask, so why did you move forward with a one year lease? What was your thought process with that? Because it feels like you intentionally picked to at least move out for a year. That's a long time. So Was this just your stepping stone? I. I need them to fess up a little bit to that. And, like, I actually. This is sick. This is sick, you guys.

[Courtney]

We're all sick. I'm feeling the virus. It's contagious. Tell me.

[Mary]

I know why Kyle wasn't home that last night she was in the apartment because he was so upset that she was moving out because he knew the relationship was over, and that's why he partied all night, made poor choices, and brought people back to the apartment.

[Courtney]

So what's sick about that? He's told us.

[Mary]

I feel like I'm defending Kyle.

[Courtney]

See, that's the problem for me, too. I just feel like at this point in their relationship, they both know it's over. It's just like this is the first step to getting there. And the way that they're acting out is totally different. Kyle's going out and getting drunk. Amanda is doing the silent treatment and getting high in the house. They have gotten to a point where somebody has to make the first move. And I don't even want to bring in the west factor. I'm just looking at their relations, whether she's getting attention from someone else, and that is why she decided to continue moving forward. Someone had to do it. This relationship had been over for a while, and Kyle even said that, too. We're not in love. That's in the west conversation. We haven't been in love for years. We love each other, but we're not in love. They were just waiting for one of them to do something, and they would just continue with the status quo. And maybe this show was also going to be the platform for them to end it, because they're not stuck together every single weekend in a summer house. They can live these separate lives. To me, they're obviously also both at fault completely.

[Mary]

And he loves to expose her and her smoking weed, that's like his favorite thing, because he's like, well, yeah, your vice is weed, mine is alcohol. But you just disassociate and get high and get lazy and don't do anything.

[Courtney]

Well, this is also an introvert versus an extrovert. Kyle gets his energy for being surrounded by people. When he's drinking and partying, he's forgetting all of his worries. Amanda's the opposite. She likes to stay inside, sit there with nobody, be by herself and get high. And that's how she disassociates. So it's like they both have different paths to get to the same point. And at the end of the day, it's also just sad to watch it because even though we know they shouldn't be together, even though we know where Amanda is today and we know where Kyle is today, watching it is sad because you can reflect in a lot of relationships, even though. Though it's not your relationship and just see, like, God, it's sad to see the demise.

[Mary]

Her tears at the end as she's moving out was so sad. She's like, I thought we were gonna have, like, this last night in the apartment together, but you got wasted. And the reason why I'm moving out is because of this. This is the one thing that I talk to you about all the time. And on my last night we're supposed to have in this apartment, you do the thing I hate the most about you. So your actions speak louder than your words.

[Courtney]

Yep. And it was his subconscious too, by the way. I was in New York that day for the marathon. Oh, yeah. Because Carl ran the marathon.

[Mary]

Right, right, right.

[Courtney]

I wasn't there to watch Carl run the marathon. I happened to be there that weekend because it was also Halloween weekend. But it's like that was his subconscious. He's running away from his problems. He's not coming home because he doesn't want to have to admit to the fact that Amanda's moving out the next day. She's thinking, and again, I know people are going to yell, ah. She's already with West. I don't believe that personally, but she's thinking, maybe we can be together and have one last night and remember the good times.

[Mary]

I think this actually helps our timeline because we know this is, like, October 30th around there. And I believe at this point, she isn't hooking up with West. So we're. We're slowly making the timeline shorter. I don't know about November and December, but agreed.

[Courtney]

It made me feel sad watching that because I just thought, like, God, they really have reached rock bottom. And I think they both think they should try to save this relationship, but subconsciously, they both know it's done well.

[Mary]

And saving their relationship has to do with their jobs.

[Courtney]

Totally. Totally. And that's why I also think in the city was a platform for them to separate. Yes. Who is Amanda in the city? Like, we only know Amanda and Kyle as a couple in summer house together. Who are they when they're not together? And then when Amanda was moving too, and they were packing stuff up, I was like, wait. I feel like influencers are always using roadway moving. But I have heard of Piece of cake. I had a friend Moving to New York. And she was like, which one do you think I should use? I said, I'm not an influencer. I don't know what has the best price.

[Mary]

I have seen roadway moving myself and piece of cake recently.

[Courtney]

Yeah. 10% off code. Amanda Petula. But it was that. And I just knew how done she was, too, because when she went into that office while he was on a call, and she said, I'm leaving, and she said, I'm done.

[Mary]

Also, he's so hungover. You can tell. He looks exhausted. Bags under his eyes.

[Courtney]

It's Monday morning.

[Mary]

Yeah, it's tough. That's tough.

[Courtney]

It is tough as she's leaving their fight. Oh, yeah. And if I'm her, even. Let's just say, even if she is with Wes, if I'm her, I'm. I'm going. This is the best decision I can make right now.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

This is just going to be a rinse and repeat of everything. And at this point, it's not worth saving for either of them. It's sad for her to have a breakdown the night before because he's gone. Regardless if she was high the night before. It's like, when you're looking at it from both angles, it's like, Kyle's like, okay, well, I want to have a good night with Amanda. Well, Amanda's high and doesn't want to hang out with me.

[Mary]

Great.

[Courtney]

Okay, I'm gonna go out. And then Amanda's like, well, I want to hang out with Kyle. Oh, he's out getting wasted. It's like they are just so polar opposites, and they cannot find a middle ground. And so, again, it's better they are not together. Finally, both of them are free. Amanda's never going to be free because she's shackles of her own mind, but they're free from each other there.

[Mary]

And she's with Kyle 2.0, but with less drive. True. It is true.

[Courtney]

I just. I keep thinking about that conversation with Lindsay where she was like, I was reliving my 20s, and I was thinking the way she started out with Kyle is the way she's starting out with west, and she feels exciting because they're out and they're having a good time and they're in this honeymoon phase, and that's the same thing she had with Kyle. And it's just going to be the same thing.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

But she chose it. She did. She did.

[Mary]

She'll always be the girl that went to Italy.

[Courtney]

And I'm glad that we're finally going to see Frank Batula next week.

[Mary]

I cannot wait.

[Courtney]

Like, I actually think what's crazy is whatever advice he gives to her about her and Kyle is going to be the same advice that he could give to her about her and Wesley.

[Mary]

Agreed.

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[Courtney]

Like, so even though it's only going to be in relation to this relationship, just know it could also be for the other.

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[Mary]

Because it's the same relationship. Okay, let's talk about Kenny and Whitney and this P.I. because really, Whitney was the P.I.

[Courtney]

okay. I don't want to seem like a hater in this because I am interested in the storyline. You never went on Facebook, Kenny.

[Mary]

He could have hired anyone that listens to this podcast if it comes out.

[Courtney]

Any Bravo fan. I mean, she's from the Bachelor, so any Bachelor fan, too. Like, these are the people who can find the details. You need them. We probably do it for free.

[Mary]

It does seem like maybe he tried to. To. To dwindle it down, but couldn't.

[Courtney]

Larry Martin is a common name.

[Mary]

Right. And then she was able to figure

[Courtney]

it out because of the white and the location.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

I think that was helpful. He couldn't know if she was in London or in America, so. Yeah, I could see that. But I was wondering, well, maybe he doesn't have a Facebook. So I'm like, if you search Larry Martin, I'm sure a hundred plus would come up. It also felt very overacted in this scene, too. Like, they had already done all of this. And even though when he called Debbie and she said, we've been looking for you, it did feel like the convo had already happened.

[Mary]

Oh, you think? Oh, I literally got, like, chills in that moment. I thought I. It was super genuine. And. No, I feel like that was real.

[Courtney]

Okay, okay.

[Mary]

I'm gonna believe it.

[Courtney]

Okay. I thought it was still a sweet moment regardless, because isn't that what you would like to hear? Like, we've been looking for you.

[Mary]

He hasn't spoken with his dad in 25 years. He used to go over there. He used to live in the UK. Then at 13, kind of stopped going and they stopped talking. Lost touch. And this is like a different time of technology. Let's remember that, too. To call over the pond was very expensive. I'm sure at that time, and the time difference and all of that, like, it's so easy to communicate now. They didn't even have email. I can understand that. So I'm really excited. What if we get a reconciliation in person?

[Courtney]

It feels like that. What was making me laugh, though, was the way that they Cliffhangered it though. We've been looking for you. And the combo's over. We go to Amanda and Kai. I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Mary]

I know. I was like, I was like, no,

[Courtney]

we didn't finish this up.

[Narrator/Commercial Voice]

What's gonna happen?

[Mary]

Is the dad gonna get on the phone? Is she gonna be like, he's at the gym. We can call you back.

[Courtney]

I know we haven't wrapped this up yet and this is not a mystery show.

[Mary]

I'm really excited about this. I. I just felt like you saw a pure smile on Kenny's face. And especially after the year that he's had losing his mother, it's really important to him to reconnect with his father. And maybe this will help close the loop and help his relationship with Whitney.

[Courtney]

He's going to get his spork back. Britney's getting her sporkle and he's getting his spork. When he was like, well, maybe this is just the reason I am what I am. And I'm like, well, if you find your dad, you're not allowed to be like that anymore. Give Whitney a ring.

[Mary]

I think she's going to get a ring soon. I have a feeling.

[Courtney]

I think so too. It's going to happen now. I just hope, hope that they do have the spark because I don't know that I can watch another bad relationship on these shows. Who am I kidding? Of course I freaking can. So silly. So silly. They're gonna get together because we've got three babies on the way. We do need one wedding.

[Mary]

Yeah, that'd be great. I'd be excited for them.

[Courtney]

Let's talk about the Petrole. Okay, you gotta hand it to Kyle because Kyle probably texted the cast and said, let me tell you how summer house works. Summer house is one big ad for lover boy. And if I'm not gonna be on that show, any in the city is now. And to be on this show you have to pay the troll toll. And the troll toll is repping lover boy on this old trolley. We're gonna all be wearing it. We're gonna be selling it to bars, but I'm gonna get you drunk at the same time.

[Mary]

This looks like a blast. I would be happy to do this. He should actually market this and have this.

[Courtney]

He should start Lover Boy Pup Crawl.

[Podcast Host/Advertiser]

Yes.

[Mary]

For it's okay. Okay, hold on. Workshop.

[Courtney]

I have an idea while you're workshopping that one.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Courtney]

What if he started his own party bus from the city to the Hampton sponsored by lover boy.

[Mary]

Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.

[Courtney]

Every, Every Weekend. There's like, a couple of buses that go. And you have a party bus to the Hamptons.

[Mary]

Yeah. And then. But you know what it comes with. With a lover boy sweatshirt, hat, and sixpack.

[Courtney]

Love this idea.

[Mary]

He's selling all his products.

[Courtney]

Yep.

[Mary]

And you get a ride. It's probably going to cost you $300.

[Courtney]

I think he could do it for two.

[Mary]

No. With all the merch.

[Courtney]

No, I'm saying, but 200, but with, like, a bunch of people, because I think that they have a nice chunk of change on their merch. And then I was thinking, too, when they were tossing merch out, I was like, this would be me and Newark, New Orleans, like, shirt up. Like, give me some beads for lover boy March. I'm like, I could get a hat. You want both boobs or one you want My friends, too? We're all flashing for birch.

[Mary]

It also made me think. I. I thought about the Carl's a mess merch. And if Carl wanted anything from that, even though Kyle was the person that said it. It's. It's Kyle's line, but it made me think about Britney and Angie on Salt Lake City for high body count hair.

[Podcast Host/Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Which. Did that ever even go anywhere? That's never even gone anywhere. But I think that they love that they donated it, and I think that was smart to do. God, this. The scandal really brought people together.

[Mary]

We're getting an extra season of Summer House because of it.

[Courtney]

I know. It's crazy. I like this idea of the party bus. I think that there's something there. Kyle, you can have that one for free, but we would love merch. And I don't want to have to show my boobs for it, but I do want it for free.

[Podcast Host/Advertiser]

Okay.

[Courtney]

Is that. Is that possible? I also was laughing, too, because. Okay, they're really trying to. I don't know if you heard the little clip. They're trying to make Lindsay and Gavin something.

[Mary]

They're like, no, that's.

[Courtney]

And like, Lindsay literally showed us, like, an episode or two ago when they met up at one of his bars that she is not interested.

[Mary]

No, no, not at all.

[Courtney]

But when. When they were talking about the hat. If the hat doesn't quit, quit, you must acquit. If the hat is a miss, you probably should kiss. If that hat ain't legit, you should probably lick her clit. It rhymes. But I. Kenny, that little poet.

[Mary]

I really like Kenny. I really like Gavin, and I like their rapport. I actually wish we knew more about Gavin. We got a confessional this week. Of him saying, yeah, lover boy doesn't really sell that well in the bars, but he carries it. But I want to know more of his background story. I think that's what they haven't done with that this show given us a little bit more background about each person individually.

[Courtney]

I agree, because it's like Kenny's probably the most thought out character outside of the OGs. We've learned about his mom and his relationship and now his dad. But I agree. I think we've had to spend so much time on Kyle and Amanda and obviously Lindsay because this is her vehicle of a. But, yeah, I would love to learn about Gavin because I'm like, okay, next week we're gonna see Gavin and Kenny going at it. I don't know where I'm supposed to lie because Kenny's the villain. So am I automatically on Gavin's side or what is the relationships of everybody outside of how they're connected to Lindsay?

[Mary]

Yeah, I want to know more about Gavin's background.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Katie DeLuca. Is she on the cast or she just a name?

[Mary]

Name? It feels like she's just a name.

[Courtney]

Like we've. We've had a scene of her or two. I thought Katie DeLuca was gonna be on this trolley. She should have been to defend herself because Amanda, her best friend from third grade, my best friend, Katie DeLuca, I introduced her to Danielle and then they became friends. But that's my friend. But I'm gonna throw her under the bus anyways because you should have the conversation with her.

[Mary]

I know, but. But who showed Danielle the group chat?

[Courtney]

Katie and Matt.

[Mary]

Right. So then Katie got herself in trouble. Do you know what I mean?

[Courtney]

Amanda brought it up on camera first. So, like, week one, she's bringing up this on camera. Then there's like this group chat that's happening that's also being exposed. And then Katie has shown Danielle this. And I'm like, is Katie showing Danielle this because Katie knows that Amanda has mentioned it on camera or that it's going to be a storyline? Like after the group chat, was it like, oh, we should talk about this on the show? Because you know that they have their BTS conversations about what they're also going to be talking about. So is Katie giving Danielle a warning?

[Mary]

That's a good question. Because it feels like Katie exposed herself.

[Courtney]

Right. And then on top of that, Danielle trying to say, I've never talked about anybody in a group chat. And Amanda being like, well, yeah, you just go straight to the blogs. I'm like, you guys are all liars. You have all. All talked about each other one way or the other. Maybe. Danielle, you've never sent a Reddit thread and so you're using semantics of details. But come on. I know that group chat between Carl, Lindsay and Danielle when they were the trace amigos, they were talking.

[Mary]

Yeah. And it just. People say it, forget it, write it, regret it and you have a piece of gossip call your friends, have a

[Courtney]

six hour phone call and chit chat it all about. Okay.

[Mary]

Yeah. But I still, I still don't know about this Danielle situation. Like I don't know what the truth is of the timeline.

[Courtney]

Is there an ex wife expose coming? Does she really care? Were they really over at this point too? It's like she's pregnant. I don't want the drama at this point. I want it if it's like on this season of the show and then we like move on from it. But at this point I'm like feels icky.

[Mary]

I also feel like Danielle wouldn't do that. I feel like she.

[Courtney]

Mary, we don't know these people. I wouldn't think that Amanda and West would get together. Okay. We were staunch defenders of our second place March Madness winner. Multiple years people. You guys voted multiple years for second place.

[Mary]

Or is Owen lying to her and saying they were separated, but they weren't.

[Courtney]

Oh, so this is the man's fault. That's fine. We can blame him.

[Mary]

I'm just wondering.

[Podcast Host/Advertiser]

I don't know.

[Mary]

I didn't like how he didn't go after Danielle right away. It was Andrea and Lexi.

[Courtney]

He and Nick needed drinks. Okay. I think he's also like just doesn't care. He doesn't get the game yet of reality. Danielle's like, I gotta amp this up. Like yeah. At the beginning or on the tears. Yes. And. But I also was like, I do kind of love these. Amanda really will always be Kyle's wife, Kyle's girlfriend. Because I'm like, these people actually have genuine friendships and Amanda is so the outlier. But to the defense of the rest is Amanda does not make the effort to be friends with these people. Like, wasn't there a lot of drama too with Katie's wedding? I feel like Katie DeLuca has been in the orbit for so long because Danielle and Amanda were both bridesmaids in her wedding.

[Mary]

Right. And I think Amanda is upset that Danielle and Katie became such good friends.

[Courtney]

Of course she is.

[Mary]

I bet they are better friends than Amanda and Katie are now.

[Courtney]

Now Amanda and Katie are long term friends where they probably don't talk for months. And then when they see each other, nothing's changed. But like, Danielle and Katie are friends. Friends, friends. Like, they chat all the time, they hang out. So they just have like different relationships with each other. So Danielle probably knows more about Katie than Amanda does. I'd also think at this time too, Amanda might be being a selfish friend.

[Mary]

Right.

[Courtney]

Amanda probably can't figure out, like, I can't stand Danielle, Danielle can't stand me. How can we have one friend we both both love so much that could be friends with both of us.

[Mary]

And I also know Katie DeLuca is been on Instagram talking about, like her fertility journey, having a hard time getting pregnant.

[Courtney]

I wanted to talk about the Danielle and Lindsay scene through this whole thing because this is where Danielle pulls her Kristen Doty for me. They're chit chatting, they're getting pizza. It was the most millennial thing I could relate to. And they were like, I can only be on one app at a time. It is agreed, hard. But this is like where Danielle becomes the Kristen for me because Kristen always has to be the number one friend. She has to be. I'm your number one and it has to be there. And she said, can I come over? How's Gemma? Is she walking? So when can I come over your apartment? I would love to. And Lindsay's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. We need to stretch out this issue for a couple more weeks. Danielle, we have two months of filming. We have to go at least a month and a half of being are we or aren't we? And then Danielle said this line about how she needs to redate Lindsay, and I was like, she's obsessed with her.

[Mary]

Well, I think Lindsay's also being a little bit guarded.

[Courtney]

Yes, yes.

[Mary]

Just because they were thick as thieves and have such a history. So. But I think Lindsay, that she'll never be able to get over those comments. Even though they were right. They were right.

[Courtney]

I think Lindsay plays up the PR angle a lot just to drum up interest because it's like, what's going on? And she likes to play week by week. I think her and Danielle are fine now. I think they're in a good place now. And I think a lot of this is for storyline. But Danielle's like, no, no, it's real life. And Lindsay's like, a couple more weeks, Danielle, come on.

[Mary]

Fun. When she was asking about the Dumois or Reddit thread or whatever. And then Lindsay tells this story about how she dated a guy and she walked into his house and his wife was there and she's like, There's a human in here.

[Courtney]

He's just sipping on a glass of wine.

[Mary]

Oh, my God. Oh, that's, like, insane.

[Courtney]

Like, I feel like that's a Lifetime movie right there. But, Lindsay. So now I have a rule of call me when you're divorced. But I'm not judging you, Danielle, as long as it's 1000% happening and we're supposed to believe. Well, maybe it's not. Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. She definitely thinks it is.

[Mary]

I think it is. I mean, they're having a baby.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I think so too. But we have to perpetuate this. I also love too, because this was the line from the trailer when they were waiting in the line. That guy burps on Lindsay. That guy just burp on me. I don't know why. Gotta love New York.

[Mary]

Gotta love New York. I love a city show next week.

[Courtney]

I'm interested in this wedding because we learned, too, that Nick and Yvonne are not married. Very cad. Katie Maloney and Tom Schwartz.

[Mary]

I hate this. Okay. I think it's, like, duping your guess. You're telling me I'm going to your wedding, I'm gonna fly down to Mexico and be a part of your special day, and then you're not even actually married. I think it's rude.

[Courtney]

What's worse? That or finding out that you've flown to Mexico and they've already been married a year a la Brock and Sheena?

[Mary]

I think it's worse to not get married. When you said you're getting married, what do you think?

[Courtney]

You know what? I think at the end of the day, it's a big party and I hope people are celebrating. But I couldn't figure out why in the trailer, they were talking about Danielle wearing this white dress to Yvonne's wedding. And I'm like, I don't think Danielle was invited to the wedding. So it's, like, weird to bring up something from a year or so ago in this. Realizing, though this is probably the reception for their courthouse house. And Danielle is wearing. It's light pink. You. Because I was like, aren't they married? I couldn't figure out where that storyline was. Obviously, it is next week. We're going to the courthouse. It is happening. I like Yvonne and Nick, and so I don't want them to go down the Bubba route.

[Mary]

No, Yvonne's like Daria.

[Courtney]

She. Her voice cartoon.

[Mary]

Her voice is very funny. She's very direct. And matter of fact, She said she's gonna get her bearings. She'll be good.

[Courtney]

Yeah, she's got some drama in her. Yes, it's coming.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Anything else about this?

[Mary]

No. Keep watching the city, you guys.

[Courtney]

Minus the Kyle and Amanda stuff, which is fascinating. It's still weirdly light and. And I'm enjoying it. I like seeing this next phase, and I think it makes sense. And I think Carl will be on the next season.

[Mary]

I think so, too. And after talking with you, Courtney, I'm actually gonna give it a B plus.

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[Courtney]

87. 88 or 89?

[Mary]

89.

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[Courtney]

Okay.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Wow. Okay.

[Mary]

Okay, great.

[Courtney]

All right, well, we'll see you guys for the Valley.

[Mary]

Okay, bye.

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