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- [00:16]
A
Welcome back to two Judgy Girls. This is Mary from the Bay, and
- [00:20]
B
it's Courtney from la. But it feels like we should be in New York City because we're talking in the City. We've got Next Gen tonight. It's like you got rid of Summer House, another New York show, just to bring one in.
- [00:34]
A
I loved Next Gen nyc. I'm very excited to talk to you about it. I think this second season is a winner.
- [00:42]
B
Yeah, I. I love this episode of in the City too. I was wondering, now that Summer House has left us for the season, this is our first week without Summer House, what it would be like, because it's new territory now for sure. I felt that this was a really strong episode for in the City. What did you think?
- [01:02]
A
I think we are really gonna miss in the City because there's only two more episodes and maybe two more reunions. So there's only four weeks left. Wait.
- [01:14]
B
This is such a quick season. I feel like it's finally finding its stride. I think it would have found its stride prior to Summer House, but that scandal really overtook. As we're watching these episodes, I'm watching Amanda and Kyle, and I was interested in it, and now it's like every week, I'm just like, thank go God they're not together. The level of misery that we're all incurring, them included, is insane.
- [01:40]
A
It really is. And I totally turned on Amanda this week. I couldn't take her. I think she's insufferable, and I feel like she was setting up Kyle almost, and I guess just preparing herself to leave him.
- [01:58]
B
I feel like she left him already at this point. That's a good point.
- [02:01]
A
That is a good point. The timeline is she moves out in November, and then they go to BravoCon. Right.
- [02:12]
B
And they separate in January.
- [02:14]
A
Right.
- [02:15]
B
But I need to know this organizing company, if they had to sign an NDA because the fact that this was all happening and for us not to know about this is crazy, because I'm like, if you're telling me that this small company, and maybe it's a large company, but I have to assume it's under 50 people, let's say. So a small company in that regard.
- [02:33]
A
It's called Imagine It Done.
- [02:35]
B
Nobody at Imagine It Done is like, you guys, we just got the collab of a century. We are going to organize Amanda's stuff at Kyle and Amanda's apartment. And then you get there, you're like, what do you mean she doesn't live here anymore? They like slacking. Everybody. Hello. Hello? Hello? Who's there?
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A
Who's there?
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B
Who has a green circle around their name? Guys, I have some dirt.
- [03:01]
A
Yeah. They must have had to keep quiet about it.
- [03:04]
B
I could never. Fire me, take me to jail. I don't care. I'm telling the world.
- [03:09]
A
If I was Kyle, I also would have had. Imagine it done. Come to the house with Amanda, go through everything with her and pay them to move it to her house.
- [03:21]
B
But she wouldn't let them. She wouldn't let a housekeeper come when he. We were talking about this in summer house, like, weeks ago, and it was like, the clutter is insane. She won't let a housekeeper come. I've called, called her mom to ask her, and I remember thinking at the time, this goes further than being just consumerism and having too much stuff. Like, I remember thinking, like, there's a level of, like, depression potentially here. Maybe, like, a hoarding situation just to the point of where it's gotten to be too much, that it's, like, so overwhelming. And it's like, I'll get to it tomorrow. Yeah, that's the job for tomorrow. And you just keep pushing it off. And then to actually fully see it after she's left, I was like, this goes, like, so much deeper. It's actually really sad that it's gotten to the state and that there was nothing to be done until she finally had to leave for him to be able to tackle it right.
- [04:14]
A
I mean, I think this happens a lot, to be honest. You don't know where to start, so you just never start. And it just piles up and piles up and piles up.
- [04:23]
B
When something like that happens to me, not into this level, but where I'm just like, oh, my God. I just don't know where to start. I'll call my mom. Be like, can you just come up? Because you have, like, no attachment to anything, and you can just, like, help me organize it better, and then I can, like, move on from there. You always need, like, a foundation, and then you can, like, build off of that. And I think sometimes if we go to Danielle's house, where she's going to get rid of some clothes, and it's like, I like all of this stuff, but there's probably three of the same that's just slightly different. And you just need someone with the eye to be like, this is the best one. Get rid of these two.
- [04:53]
A
Yeah, it's got to go.
- [04:56]
B
Yeah. And then I started thinking, too. Okay. Kyle seemingly took Mia's place in Cannes as a representative of NBC Universal. Then I watched this episode. And I'm like, wow. I think originally, as this was going to be Kyle's downfall season in the city, they were going to push Ms. Independent Amanda. They were going to say, here's, you know, our version of Ariana for Summer House. We're going to, like, put her on a pedestal. And as things kept going on and they had other footage, I feel like they've re edited it and are now backing Kyle as the Ariana.
- [05:35]
A
I agree with that. And I actually think Amanda is fired now, too.
- [05:41]
B
That's what I was. I was feeling. I was like, oh, they're showing that we don't really need her on this show. I was slightly interested to know what was going on with her and west, but now I'm kind of just over it being a week removed, if you will, because Soho Brody, you know, he does all the whiteboards with breaking down a show for all of us or, you know, a scandal, whatever. He posted yesterday the whiteboard of the west side Story and has tagged west in it, which leads me to believe that west is going to be sitting there like he usually is, to give some sort of commentary, which also makes me laugh because I'm like, so are you, like, over the show and you don't want people to watch it, like you said on your podcast, or are you still wanting to be a part of it? The line seems blurry.
- [06:30]
A
I mean, they need these jobs. They need a job. Like, where do you go from here?
- [06:37]
B
Well, you don't think with like, Complex and stuff that he has jobs over there or, you know, when football comes back, that he'll have some sort of space? I just can't imagine that Complex cares that much.
- [06:49]
A
I don't know. But I mean, Amanda needs a job.
- [06:52]
B
Does she?
- [06:53]
A
They have to stay relevant.
- [06:55]
B
I mean, literally just sell all of her stuff on Poshmark and probably put herself up for a good couple of years. I mean, the amount of stuff she has that are probably just sent from brands over and over, and she's only wearing jorts and striped shirts and a Boys Lie sweatshirt. It's like she probably has so many
- [07:12]
A
unworn, never used tags on half the stuff.
- [07:18]
B
Exactly. It's like, you know, donate it to whoever sell it, get rid of it. God, what a weight it would be lifted off her shoulder. She's just stuck in park mode. Because even when we go over to her apartment, when her dad comes over, it's like there's stuff everywhere still. Seemingly boxes have been broken down and gone, but it's like it's just been taken out of the boxes and just put places.
- [07:41]
A
I was shocked to see that her mom didn't come. And I wondered why her mom decided not to film.
- [07:50]
B
Didn't want to be a part of it.
- [07:52]
A
Yeah, there was. I feel like that was a little bit telling.
- [07:56]
B
I. You know, I didn't think about it until you just mentioned it right now, but I just feel like it's probably like I don't want to be involved in all of this. And I think we want to hear more from Frank than we do. Donna.
- [08:09]
A
I just think it was definitely a choice for the mom not to film that. Only dad. Maybe.
- [08:17]
B
Maybe she was like, I don't like what's happening here. I don't want to have to give, like, a negative opinion.
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A
There was definitely a reason the mom wasn't there. Yeah.
- [08:26]
B
I mean, maybe she's working.
- [08:29]
A
Maybe.
- [08:29]
B
Maybe she's working because she's like, great, I gotta support my daughter now. She's gonna get fired. Did you also see too? We never talked about this, but Kyle, I think it was either like Friday or Saturday, put this, like, really somber emo post the Summer House and alluded to saying goodbye and production. Did you see that post?
- [08:52]
A
I did, and I knew exactly what he was saying. It was like, goodbye to that house and people made the biggest deal out of it.
- [09:00]
B
Yeah. Kyle's leaving Summer House. I'm like, what? Kyle's restarting Summer House. It was like, it's the end of an era. You know, we keep talking about this last season of Summer House. It was supposed to be the torch bearing to the next era and passing it on and saying goodbye in that way. But when he posted that, I was like, I just need him to clarify that he's obviously meaning good goodbye to the house of the era and production people because that house is being sold. I hear there's a new house coming. I hear they're not filming till July 11th. Oh.
- [09:33]
A
Which I'm like, oh.
- [09:34]
B
Because Is that when Love island is over?
- [09:37]
A
Oh, okay. Interesting.
- [09:42]
B
Now, how would you feel at this point after watching this episode even of a Return of Amanda?
- [09:49]
A
I honestly, I don't think they can do it. Nobody would talk to her. Nobody would sit with her. It would be pretty unbelievable at this point. I mean, in what situation would she be coming back? It just doesn't make sense. Maybe a meetup in the city with Kyle and Amanda. That's kind of it. It doesn't make sense at all.
- [10:15]
B
Yeah. And I feel like they also maybe want some sort of not resolution. Maybe Closure with, like, Sierra and Amanda. But I'm like, that is the closure. They'll never talk again. So I hope that they don't try to push Sierra to have some sort of, like, sit down with her, because Amanda doesn't deserve it.
- [10:30]
A
It's so over. It doesn't need to be done. Even the aftermath episode kind of left a weird taste in my mouth. We kind of just need to put this to bed at this point.
- [10:41]
B
Yeah, I think it's over. It's like, you know, Wes and Amanda. I hope you guys are happy. We heard that there were no phones at this wedding that he was officiating at, but there are, you know, some firsthand accounts being like he was a terrible officiant. Terrible officiant. But that they seemingly were together. Not overtly, but the fact that west was going to be there was, like, a big deal originally when these invites went out.
- [11:10]
A
Yeah, I was very curious how there was no photos, but they had to put their phones in the bags for this wedding, and that's why there's no photos.
- [11:19]
B
And maybe there should be more rules like that I love a phone in a pouch rule.
- [11:25]
A
I think people need to be off their phones way more.
- [11:29]
B
Like, I've gone to a bunch of, like, different comedy shows where, you know, the comedians are trying out new material so they don't want anything filmed or whatever. They put your phone in a pouch, and I'm like, you know, everyone's just in the moment now. We're all here, eyes focus forward, just, like, having fun.
- [11:44]
A
I. I think they should do that at concerts.
- [11:47]
B
Life should be more fun.
- [11:50]
A
No, Even just, like, on buses and airplane. Well, maybe not airplanes, but people don't talk to each other anymore because they're just looking down at their phone. And it's sad.
- [12:02]
B
I mean, I don't need to be talking to strangers, really, but, like, at an event, I'm okay with there just being people in the moment. Take a break and come back and talk. This episode of in the City.
- [12:14]
A
Okay. The episode was called not so simple. K N O T. I didn't get that.
- [12:22]
B
Did I miss that?
- [12:23]
A
I guess because Yvonne and Nick were tying the knot.
- [12:27]
B
Okay. And, like, Kyle and Amanda were untying it.
- [12:31]
A
I don't know. I. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Like, life's not so simple.
- [12:37]
B
Clearly.
- [12:39]
A
Clearly.
- [12:40]
B
Do we want to start with just going into Amanda's new apartment?
- [12:45]
A
Yes. She goes to her new house, and she's just like, this is such a good reset. And she needed this because she needed to get out of the Clutter. And she needed to be able to think more clearly. And she's just like, oh, you know, it was really sad, but it was so necessary. And she's still pissed because Kyle came home the night before with strangers.
- [13:11]
B
I wanted to ask you a question. Where do you lie on? They're trying. As we know at this point, from what they're telling us, whatever their internal intentions are, we're gonna put that to the side for right now as we know it. They are just trying for a trial separation right now. Even though it's a year lease. It's just supposed to be short term. Short term. Where do you lie on? Should Kyle be helping her pack up her stuff? Should Kyle be helping her move out? Should Kyle be a part of this or is this Amanda doing this and she should be independent and doing these things on her own? Where do you lie on that?
- [13:48]
A
I know. I couldn't imagine wanting to help her move out because this wasn't really his decision. He just went along with it. However, they definitely should have had a plan that they were going to have a last meal together or order in or what it was. But I think they never actually have plans together. And that's a lot of their problem. Because he's like, I had nothing to come home to. You were leaving. And that's why he's like, this is the best day in New York City. It's Marathon day. He did a DJ set and then he stayed out till all hours of the night because I don't think he thought he had anything to come home to. But I think they lack planning and communication and saying, hey, go have fun at your event, but will you come home later and let's order Thai food and let's watch this movie? It can be something so simple, but they don't discuss that. So he's like, I have nothing to come home with.
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B
Two.
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A
She's leaving me.
- [14:48]
B
The only plans that they actually make are when they have to film together. I swear, you're so right. There's no communication. They almost self sabotage and sabotage the other one. I feel as if she purposely will give a silent treatment and set him up. Like, well, I'm not gonna say anything and see if he can read my mind. And then he'll kind of do the same thing where he's like, well, I don't want to be at home and she hasn't said anything, so I'm gonna go out. And they don't talk to each other, so they're literally just blowing themselves up and imploding inside because for some reason, they can't have the conversation. It sounds as if one of them makes a decision, just tells the other. The other one just needs to be on board with it. Obviously, it feels like Amanda's spearheading this separation right now, but it's like, you guys were in therapy. Did you not talk to the therapist and set a game plan? Here's what we're gonna do. Oh, it's a month. Oh, but it's going to be for a year. Or should Kyle have been involved in, like, hey, why don't you move here? We can do this. There seems to be no actual set plan, which leads me to believe that internally, subconsciously, they both just knew it was over. And to Amanda taking that step, whether it was with pressure from her friends or Wes saying, you can do this, or Sierra saying, you can do this, she did take the first step. And you do have to give her props, regardless of what the intention was.
- [16:12]
A
I also feel like Kyle realized when half her stuff was gone or a quarter of it, he was like, wait, this feels really good. I'm going to get my apartment back how I like to live in it. And it excited him. And then her feedback from that is like, oh, you want all my stuff gone? Like, this is supposed to be temporary. You know, it's just like a big miscommunication because they don't talk. And I also think Kyle always invites her out, and her whole thing is like, I don't want to go out. That is my thing. I don't want to spend my nights at the bars. In her mind, she wants to be married, live a quieter life, and start a family. So they're just like, completely on opposite pages.
- [16:57]
B
But then when you see these apartments or you see the state of the union, basically, it's like, amanda, where do you get that you are ready for that next step? Your apartment looks crazy because there's no organization. Do I think she's a good dog mom? Sure. I think that's great. Does that translate over to being a good parent? I don't know. I'm not there. It's just. You're watching this. Being like, amanda, I think you're living in a bit of. I think you're both actually living in this dream reality. Because I think if Amanda ended up going out with Kyle and then was like, okay, it's midnight. I want to leave. He'd be like, one more hour. It's like, give an inch, take a mile. And I'm sure that probably would be the same Thing, Kyle. Be like, okay, I stayed in tonight. I'm going out tomorrow. She's like, are you serious? You can't give me one weekend? And it's just they'll. They'll never be satisfied because they're not satisfied in the marriage in general.
- [17:44]
A
I would love to see the state of her apartment today.
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B
God. Then I was thinking. I was like, okay, let's say, like, the future of her and west, and they decide their leases are up. Let's move in together. I just picture pizza boxes, dirty Tupperware, and then, like, clothes everywhere. I just picture a fucking pig pen.
- [18:08]
A
I want to think she's in a better place so she's has it more together, but I don't know about that.
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B
This is.
- [18:17]
A
Honestly, this is sad. She really has issues.
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B
I'm so with you. The attitude she gave at the end of the episode, I was like, whoa, you are in such a state of disarray in general. The whole thing is crazy. At the end of the day, everyone's miserable. It's so good that they. That they broke up watching this. You're like, so. I'm just so thankful that this is over for you guys. You guys are keeping yourselves in these internal prisons. Kyle, you get to use the guest room shower now. Amanda, you don't, because you've thrown stuff into yours already. But, like, Kyle, you get to use yours.
- [18:50]
A
Oh, he probably feels so good with her out. Just, like, haves clarity opening that bedroom
- [18:58]
B
door to that guest room and the pile on the bed and him saying, two years ago, she said, I'm just gonna put clothes here. I'll put it away later to see that pile. Literally, this is a TLC show. This is an episode of Hoarders. I'm not even saying it in a comedic way. I'm saying, like, it is actually. She has no idea what's underneath that pile.
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A
I would want to say it's organized chaos. And she knows where things are because she asked him to bring that one dress, and he was able to find
- [19:32]
B
it because it's probably just arrived from Revolve yesterday, and she forgot to do it to forward it to her new address. I don't feel like those are clothes that she wears and she throws. I don't believe it's dirty. It's just printing. It's just. Oh, no.
- [19:45]
A
I. Yeah, it's like, all clean new stuff with tags on. She just doesn't have enough space to put it anywhere. So it just kept on piling and piling and piling. Didn't know what to do. So she just stopped doing it.
- [20:00]
B
Yeah. At the end of the episode, as you said, Kyle feels like, oh, my God, this feels great. And he's like, so, like, basically, get your out. Because I love it. This is the best thing ever. And she's like, okay, so you're saying, like, that there's, like, no space for me in your new life. And, like, Amanda, if you left with an organized stuff and your stuff was all in places and had a home, I really don't think he would care. He's looking at it like, I can't move an inch anywhere right now and get somewhere in the house. You don't get to leave there, Even if it's temporary. But we have a year lease. You don't get to leave there and leave a mess. It's not the responsibility of Kyle to clean up your mess. Even though he does that. You should be going back there and saying, hey, can I take the data org, organize all this? Hey, do you mind if I do this? Because all you're doing is saying, like, no, no, I'll be back at some point in a year maybe, and just, like, leave it as is. What's the game plan there? As someone who, like, relatively is type B in most things of her life, seeing this, I was like, purge everyone. Everything in the trash.
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A
I know, I know.
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B
You wouldn't be in trash bags on the curb if this was me.
- [21:08]
A
But also, they can literally hire imagine it done to help her and walk her through it. She doesn't need her mom or a friend. She can actually hire five people that will help her go through this and say, yes, no, maybe, and reorganize it for her. That's, like, the craziest part of it because she's, like, capable of getting help. So I think that is the craziest part about it. But the thing that got me was Kyle saying, you know what? When you were leaving, I was on a very important call. It was about a $5 million check, and you don't even care. You don't even ask. Like, I am in debt, and you don't even think to ask questions about it. And that's how I know you aren't thinking about our future, because you don't even ask me anything. And I can't imagine the pressure he is feeling about leaving lover boy, because at this point, Loverboy, he thought would maybe stay open till, like, the new year. That was, like. Was kind of his goal to keep it open. I think, through 2025, obviously, there's, like, been a Major resurgence for him, and who knows if that will ever last. I hope it does for him, but I think that was a very valid point.
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B
Can I counterpoint you?
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A
Yes.
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B
If this was such an important investor call for him to secure 5 million, why is he staying out till 2am? That's a good point. I just want to throw it out there. If this is such an important call, maybe that's also. And Amanda's not going to say it out loud, but maybe that's what she's saying. I knew you had this phone call. You told me about this and you're telling me I'm going to move out that day. Why didn't I move out the next day if it was so important?
- [22:48]
A
I don't think she knew anything about this phone call because she knows zero about the business because she doesn't care.
- [22:57]
B
Well, they're both so checked out. That's the crazy part. They are so checked out. Kyle's saying he's the loneliest extrovert. I'm like, okay, heartbreaking. You also are to blame for the demise of this relationship. Amanda, you are to blame for the demise of this relationship because for some reason, you guys just can't talk to each other and you relied on the show and it's become the sung and cough fallacy of why you stayed together so long. And Amanda, good job for at least making the move to be done with it. Whether you guys like her or not, she at least did something. They're going that way. Was it mutual? I don't know. Frank thought so.
- [23:34]
A
She has gotten really resentful and keeps living in the past. And her bringing up him cheating on her from 10 years ago, it's like, so for me, if someone cheated on me, I would never be able to get over that. That is something that I would. Would always think about, always hold against them, and I would not be able to move forward in a relationship. Michael,
- [24:00]
B
listen up now. Would you get engaged three, three months later?
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A
No.
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B
Like, exactly.
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A
Like, I wouldn't stay with the person because I couldn't because that's my personality. Because I would always bring it back to that no matter what.
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B
Well, and that's what she does too, right? She goes out, she gets a dm, and then it brings her back to that moment of 10 years ago. And people keep saying to you, like, why isn't Amanda sharing the videos? Why isn't she sharing these dm? Where's the proof? I'm like, I'm sorry if I'm trying to stay in my marriage. Guess who's not going to hear about it?
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A
The public.
- [24:36]
B
You're going to see me bicker with my husband because I obviously have resentment because I fudgeing hate him. But I'm not putting that out there because then what are you guys going to say? Why are you with them? You showed us this video. I don't think it's crazy. We haven't seen the proof. I think she's also saying too, I worry because I haven't been able to move past this and you haven't changed to show me because I get these dms. I get these things that I'm always going back to that. It's such an insecurity for her. But you're right. She should have never gotten married to him. He should have never gotten married to her. The show pushed them to do that. Katie Maloney was on because she'll be on Stassi's new show. And I think it was Matt Rogers that was with her in the clip. And he asked like, do you think you stayed with Tom longer because of the show? And she said, absolutely. We should have broken five, six years before we ever did. And I'm like, it's true. And that's where they are. And I think that in a couple of years, we'll hear that from both of them, maybe just Kyle. I don't know if Amanda will still be in the spotlight, but, like, it is true that they're staying together because what do you do? It's like, why did Britney stay with Jax? Why do these people stay in these relationships? Because they have business tied into it, right?
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A
I mean, and Kyle even admits to acting out. He's like, I do this because of you. Like, you never want to hang out with me. So then I'm like, well, I don't care to come home. And I'll rage till 2am because I know she hates it, but I don't even care if she hates it because she's not giving me what I need and want. And, like, not to defend Kyle, but I've seen things very, very clearly, I feel like. And I think Amanda was pushing him away. And I also think Kyle was wearing makeup in this scene.
- [26:21]
B
I loved his. I didn't notice, but I really loved this green cardigan on him. It was very complimentary towards him, you know? But watching this scene too felt very like, defiant daughter acting out to her dad. Like, I don't know why. I'm like, I. I want to be able to have nuance and see from both sides. But at the end of the day, Amanda, you're mad because you're holding onto something from 10 years ago. And she's saying to him too, you want me to change, but why would I change? You're not changing the way I want you to change. And I'm thinking, what is it that Kyle wants Amanda to change? Because they both want the other person to change. Neither of them will change, and one of them is waiting for the other to change first so that they can follow suit. But what are the list of demands that Kyle wants from Amanda to change versus Amanda wanting Kyle to, like, stop drinking, stay in. More like, be married?
- [27:10]
A
Well, I feel like she kind of says this to her dad, Frank, and we can talk about Frank, but she's like, well, I think Kyle wants her to be social and support him in going to his events, meaning, come to my DJ set. But to her, that's just like going out and partying. That's not what she wants to do with Kyle. She says she doesn't like drinking with Kyle, but then she tells her dad, yeah, I'm gonna go out more. And he's like, with Kyle. She's like, no. I'm like, what?
- [27:40]
B
This doesn't make sense.
- [27:41]
A
I was so confused there.
- [27:44]
B
Well, he wants her to go out more, but. But he means with him. She's like, no, I'm just, like, gonna go out. And then I'm like, this is, like, so confused because her dad's like, oh, yeah, well, you know, it's about compromise. She's like, yeah, well, I'm compromising going out, but the compromise is without him. And I'm like, the compromise would be, hey, I'm happy to come out with you to a DJ set. Kyle, please don't drink. Let's take this as a job. And no drink. There's no compromise because they don't talk. They just make a decision and don't tell the other person. Watching every in the city scene, and obviously we know that their relationship was in a bad place. It's like, she doesn't have to come to anything. Any group event Amanda maybe shows up at. And I think also she's in a state of depression. She says too is like. He's like, I'm stressed out. You give me nothing. I've got this, you know, the weight of the world on my shoulders. Him and Meredith Marks and Amanda. I have the stress of my marriage. And so, like, so Kyle's also in that. And, like, you guys would have less stress if you actually had calm conversations with each other, whether it needs to be mediated by a therapist. But neither of you want to go because you both have already checked out. It is over. Now you're just fighting to fight, right?
- [28:56]
A
Did you also notice how many fresh flowers she had in the apartment? I'm like, so Kyle brought her some. There was already a ton on the counter. I'm like, like, why is she getting sent so many flowers? Who's sending the flowers? What if some of them were from West?
- [29:10]
B
Definitely not. I was thinking, could West. Other than like, no. He doesn't like gifts, remember? He doesn't.
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A
He sent Miha flowers on Valentine's Day.
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B
In collab with 1-800-Flowers. No, I'm just kidding.
- [29:25]
A
Wait, what about her and her dad going out on the balcony? And then they were holding hands?
- [29:30]
B
I thought that was cute. Oh.
- [29:32]
A
Oh. I thought that was strange.
- [29:33]
B
I thought he was. It was a moment where he was like, look it. You did it.
- [29:37]
A
Oh, yeah.
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B
I thought he was just, like, reaching out, like, you're my baby girl. Oh, okay. Oh,
- [29:50]
A
Maybe I'm the evil one.
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B
This had a moment with her father. Can you imagine?
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A
I don't know, holding hands?
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B
I don't know. You've never held your dad's hand? Just, like, in a moment of, like, oh, like, I'm proud of you for, like, making a move and. And, like, doing what's best for you.
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A
No, never. Oh, my God. My family, we don't touch.
- [30:15]
B
Okay, that's for another day. Let's keep going.
- [30:20]
A
Then he's like, can you smoke out here? And she's like, oh, no, you can't. And he's like, well, do you smoke? She's like, no, no, no.
- [30:29]
B
Like, she goes, I had to sign four things. And then they just cut to a clip of her getting high. I wonder, do you think he meant siggies?
- [30:37]
A
I think he meant ciggies. Yeah, but I'm sure he doesn't know that she gets high. You hide that from your parents? Come on.
- [30:46]
B
Do you?
- [30:47]
A
Oh, yes.
- [30:50]
B
I'm learning a lot about you right now. Okay. Then when Frank was like, so, what's the plan? You know, what's going on? What's. And she's. He's like, big daddy is here. He's like, he put his name in his big daddy, and I've never changed it since. And then she's like, my parents, you know, they're not going to interfere. They're going to let me figure it out on my own. I have to think that Frank is like, what the is happening right now? I'm proud of you for getting out. But now the things that you're telling me, I'm like, what's going, going on? You made it seem like it was a mutual decision for you and Kyle to do this. She's like, it was spearheaded by me. But I'm like, there was a mutual decision, though, that something had to change. I don't think it was moving out for a full year because that was saying, hey, by the way, this is over. But I do believe that they had to come to the conclusion that something had to change. And I think when it was like a month stay, which just go stay in a hotel, I hope at the
- [31:45]
A
reunion she just admits, I knew the relationship was over, so it made the most sense for me to just get my own place. And I wasn't ready to say that yet, but that's why I got this one year lease.
- [31:59]
B
I completely agree with you and I don't think that there's any fault in that at that point. I think it's kind of like I was delaying the inevitable doing that. And I think we both knew how much of a deep breath we could take once that happened. I think you're right. Like, they both really actually kind of started to enjoy their lives a little bit more when they didn't have, as you said with Kyle, the pressure of coming home and being like, is she gonna talk to me? Where do we lie? Is this a good day? Is this a bad day? And her being like, oh, great, this fucker's home again.
- [32:31]
A
I, I like what Amanda said about her parents, though, because we were asking about this and she's like, they're just like, not gonna interfere. They want me to figure it out on my own, which I think you do have to do that as a parent sometimes. Like, you're gonna watch your kid maybe fail. You can give them advice, but they're going to choose their own path. It was very hard for them to watch this, even see her get married to Kyle. I mean, when they flashed back to Kyle asking Frank and that beer, oh
- [33:04]
B
my God, I blocked that beard out of my memory. Terrible.
- [33:09]
A
But Frank basically didn't give the blessing and was like, you guys are gonna do what you're gonna do, but I wouldn't recommend doing this. You know, it's like, like it's unfortunate you sometimes have to just watch people fail.
- [33:23]
B
Oh, I'm gonna say that Frank definitely had words for Amanda off camera about West.
- [33:28]
A
I, I would hope so.
- [33:30]
B
Maybe with Kyle, I think it was like riding on the wall. I'm sure they went to that apartment. I'm sure they saw the state of that apartment and were like, I'm actually concerned about my daughter. And that's why I think the handhold h happened when she took that next step that he was like, we've said this off camera. I'm proud of you. You're doing well. And this is the next step to. To getting better. And then I think when all the stu. I feel like they're like, now we have to talk. You know, I can only, like, I can only let you fail so much. What are. What are you doing? You are now blowing your life up.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. Like,
- [34:05]
B
I need Frank to come to the reunion. I don't care if he has to zoom in. I need to know what Frank thinks. Now, obviously he's not going to go against his daughter, but I do wish that they're having off camera conversations to say, figure yourself out. This is not good. This is not good.
- [34:23]
A
I wonder if she wanted Wes to come to the reunion to just, like, be in her dressing room. That's not abnormal to have your partner backstage. I know, like, Justin Rose has been there when the men don't come out. I would be very curious if she wanted that or if that was even allowed or even discussed.
- [34:44]
B
I think that the cast would literally throw hands if Wes showed up. I don't think he. And I don't think he ever would. I don't think he's not going to be the knight in shining armor now that he has to be what he wants to be. No problem. Now that he has to.
- [34:58]
A
Ew. God. The reunion's going to be so good. Let's take a break and talk about Kenny. This Kenny situation. I was sobbing. This was so, so sweet.
- [35:16]
B
Guys, I love Kenny. I do, too.
- [35:19]
A
He is a perfect reality star. I think he's completely leaning in. He's being super vulnerable. I think he's made mistakes, but I think he's showing.
- [35:31]
B
I also, like, think he's hot. Sorry? I think he's hot. So attracted to him.
- [35:36]
A
I completely agree with you.
- [35:39]
B
Like, yeah.
- [35:41]
A
I went on his Instagram last night. He only has 6,000 followers, which I was kind of shocked to see. And he had a beautiful tribute for his mother. He's a good looking guy. I'm into it.
- [35:55]
B
Like, is he someone I would have encountered in my 20s that would have ruined my life? Like, absolutely. Like, could I date him? No. But would I be friends with him? Probably. Because, like, I know to stay away
- [36:08]
A
from him romantically, but I think he's working on it. He admits, like, I had these abandonment issues and I didn't even know I had them. And losing my mother was so much also. So I think he lost his mom in January of 2025. And this is, you know, in the fall, so it hasn't even been a full year. I. I think he's been so vulnerable. I thought it was interesting how he's choosing to let his dad back in his life and not res for abandoning him.
- [36:45]
B
Well, and then I had to think about, like, the behind the scenes of it all. I'm like, okay, so he's talking to Debbie and he's like, yeah, can I text you a time? Because he's like, so I'm on a reality show and I do want to document this, and so I do need your consent to talk to my dad, if you guys are okay with that. So let's plan a time so that the cameras can be here so they can record my side of things. And I'll fly you up here because it's also going to happen on camera, our reconciliation. And, like, happy to explain the behind the scenes. And then also, like, I feel like his dad has to be like, well, yeah, because I didn't talk to you for 25 years, so sure, I'll do this. And I'm sure this isn't an ambush or anything. I really want this relationship. But I kept thinking about the behind the scenes of having to set all of this up, having to, like, mic up his dad, having to, like, do it all.
- [37:32]
A
No, I. I thought about this too, because I'm like, there's no way. This was their first sighting that they actually filmed. Right. They definitely met up before.
- [37:40]
B
You think so?
- [37:42]
A
Yeah.
- [37:42]
B
I don't know. Sometimes I'm really gullible and stupid, and then, like, sometimes I'm like, duh.
- [37:48]
A
No, I was thinking about all this because I thought it was interesting that, like, Debbie didn't come, because I imagine it'd be pretty scary to come alone to this situation. I don't like to do anything alone. I always want backup.
- [38:01]
B
We are learning so much about Mary, you guys. Debbie could be there, but maybe she was like, I want you to have your first time seeing your son without me, and then we'll go and hang out. He did the really cute post today, too, that they went bowling.
- [38:15]
A
It's so, so sweet. The first phone call, I think, was very genuine and on film for the first time because, I mean, the dad's just, like, sobbing in. It was like, my godson, like, wow. Like, don't you.
- [38:33]
B
You Start.
- [38:34]
A
And, you know, I'm so sorry. It's been so many years. And they're both super emotional. The dad won't stop crying on the phone. I really do think that might have been the first time they communicated on.
- [38:47]
B
I thought it was cute, too. It's like, you know, we're here now, we're both healthy, like, bygones be bygones. You know, he's like, I was wondering if I had grandkids. He's like, no, not yet. And I did think. I mean, I think it's partially for the show, too, but I did love that he was like, I would love to get you up here. I would love to fly you up. I'm going to pay for you to come up here. If you want to stay me, great. If you're not comfortable with that, I'll put you in a hotel. I want to just pursue this relationship. And, you know, this hasn't happened to me yet. But I think when a parent passes, you probably do think about, are there things in my life that I may be holding grudges for or that, like, I want this to happen still. And he probably did a lot of reflecting since his mom has passed and was like, you know, I can't. Like you said, I can't have this grudge anymore. I need to, like, reach out to my dad because if he's still here, then I'm missing out on that relationship.
- [39:33]
A
Yes. No, he's like, all in. He wants to have his dad in his life. And I really hope that they've continued to see each other.
- [39:41]
B
I do have to say when they flashed to Kenny's feet because they wanted to show that his leg was shaking from nerves and he had put his slip on shoes as mules. I was like, kenny, I hope before your dad came in that you did put your full foot in and put the back out. I don't love a push down back of shoe. That did bother me. And I know that's a minute detail and silly, but I did notice.
- [40:07]
A
I did notice that as well. I thought it was funny that he got white wine. Kenny is a big wino. And then he got his dad hot cocoa.
- [40:16]
B
I thought that was cute, though. And he's like, I heard you're like a hot chocolate fan. Like, I don't. I just thought the whole thing was cute. And I think it's crazy that people are hating on it because I'm like,
- [40:25]
A
wait, people are hating on it? I was sobbing. I saw. Twice I sobbed during the phone call. And then when they Actually met.
- [40:32]
B
Yes. Same with me.
- [40:34]
A
I'm a sucker for one.
- [40:35]
B
I'm sure something's gonna come out. Okay, we know, but let us have this first season and then you guys can tell us. He's the worst.
- [40:43]
A
Okay. Is Kenny even a villain? Why are people hating him just because he's going after Hub so fast?
- [40:51]
B
Cast are mostly probably man. And I think we're always very hard on all the men. You know, as I said, Kyle's lucky right now, but I think we're always really hard on the men as they we should be. You know, women take enough. We could be hard on the men. But I think it's kind of that Janet thing with Kristen. No, you can't be mean to our Hub house. That's our Lindsay Hubbard. We want to be mean to her. That's one thing. We've been with her for 10 years. You've been on this screen for. For like 30 minutes.
- [41:21]
A
I mean, I love also the Kenny and Gavin dynamic. I think they've been very vulnerable and will openly go after each other.
- [41:30]
B
What's Gavin's deal?
- [41:32]
A
That is like real tension. I think Gavin feels jealous and that Whitney replaced him.
- [41:39]
B
And so he's literally wearing like, look, Kenny, I'm wearing your clothes.
- [41:44]
A
I don't understand how Gavin could fit in Kenny's clothes because obviously Kenny couldn't fit in Gavin's clothes.
- [41:51]
B
Well, because they could be the same size, but one could be a capri on Kenny and just a little baggy on. You know, maybe he's wearing Kenny's like, ankle cut jeans and their real length on him. But if Kenny were to put on Gavin's, he would be wearing like a jord.
- [42:06]
A
Okay, got it, Got it.
- [42:07]
B
That's what I'm thinking. But no, I think that they're okay too, because in his post with his dad, he has a picture with Gavin in there too. So, like, they're okay. But Gavin, you're really kind of going hard at Kenny's relationship. And. And he's also trying to stir the pot a little too much. And I'm like, just call Lindsay.
- [42:24]
A
See, I like Gavin. I feel like he is pivoting and he is running stories. He's like, so, Owen, what's the deal? Like, did you and Danielle hook up while you were married? Did you cheat on your wife with Danielle? What's the deal?
- [42:40]
B
And Owen being like, yeah, I'm definitely gonna tell you this on camera. Yeah, no, sure. Like, you could ask me questions I will not be answering.
- [42:48]
A
I do worry.
- [42:51]
B
Obviously, we know where they Are at.
- [42:53]
A
Yeah. What do you think? Do you think there was any overlapping?
- [42:58]
B
I do. I do think that there was something, because I think that there's being too big of a deal. But as I said last week, now that they've had the baby and everything, I don't want it. Whatever it is, we can let it play out. But I wonder, with Owen, why did he move in with her? Because I was thinking he lived in Ireland, so I thought he came over here, and that's why he moved him with Danielle. But to know that they were living in New York, him and his ex. Ex. I'm thinking, why is he moving into Danielle so fast? We need a bigger apartment. That man has a shelf, Right? Is he contributing to the rent?
- [43:32]
A
I hope so. I would think so. I'm not sure. Also, how does Danielle have money?
- [43:39]
B
I was. Okay. I was wondering, because I was like, I don't know what's going on with dawn, but I don't think it took off as well as she wanted it to. So I was like, is she on this show? So she has a paycheck now. But I really did love the scene with her and her mom. I thought that was so cute. I love how much she cares for Danielle. And, like, she just pops over same time every week. And I was like, and it's daylight, meaning she comes over during the day. What's the job?
- [44:03]
A
No, it. This was interesting because she couldn't really film with a friend, I felt like. And she needed her mom to film with to kind of tell her side of the story. And then I thought it was interesting in her confessional because she says, I don't know, am I caring too much about what people. People think? Or deep down, am I like, no, he needs to get this divorce right away. And she's, like, worried about the divorce. I need this to go through as fast as possible so people will shut up. And I think it's a little bit of both.
- [44:37]
B
But she needed the Amanda conundrum that we got in the beginning of Summer House, right where she was like, I don't know, is the Internet telling me I need to be changing my mind, or do I know that I need to be?
- [44:48]
A
But she. She. She needed her mom to say, like, I love Owen. He's the best. She needed an outsider to build Owen up.
- [44:57]
B
She needed a plus one.
- [44:59]
A
Danielle did that very strategically. And I have to think, too, that she just made really great investments with her Summer house paycheck, and that's why she's not working anymore. Sure.
- [45:10]
B
Well, I Mean, now she's working on this show, so she's got that. Okay, let's talk about Yvonne and Nick getting married. I. Guys, I love Nick. I was so sure about him in the beginning of this because of the San Diego, and she left, and he had no idea. I love him. I also am attracted to him as well. Someone date me, please.
- [45:38]
A
He did this Father's Day post, and his dad worked with the Obamas, and they have, like, many photos together with the Obama. Obamas.
- [45:47]
B
Well, that's good. That's good.
- [45:51]
A
I just thought that was interesting. And Yvonne was on Watch what Happens live last night, and she was talking so slow, and Andy was getting so annoyed. He, like, a caller asks a question, and Yvonne's just taking her time answering, and he's like, okay, yeah. So you would hang out with Lindsay or to answering the question for Yvonne.
- [46:12]
B
We have 22 minutes. Yvonne.
- [46:15]
A
I think he's like, we have to go to commercial. Talk faster.
- [46:22]
B
I love it. But I thought it was so cute that he got the shirt with the dog on it. The dog got to come and wear a tuxedo. If you didn't tell me that little snippet of San Diego, I would have loved you guys from the beginning.
- [46:34]
A
I think they're quirky and cute. I think Yvonne is really funny, and I'm not sure what her angle is. What with Lindsay. Are her and Lindsay in cahoots about this, or is Lindsay totally caught off guard by Yvonne in this situation where she's like, dude, I'm just hanging out with the milkman. I. I don't need to marry the milkman. I don't think I'm gonna marry the milkman. I can do whatever I want. Why are you so obsessed with this situation?
- [47:02]
B
Uh, I think Yvonne and Lindsay are really, really close. And I think Yvonne's like, don't lie to me. Me. You're either like, I want to hook up because I'm in this hookup phase, and I've been a virgin since I had my baby. And so you're thinking about sex, but then you're like, you don't want to date this man, except that you're going on dates and not doing anything. So, like, which is it? Do you want to be in a relationship? So you're, like, moving slow with him, and you're getting more serious as the dates go on, or is it just, like, a weird fling, but you're not doing anything with that fling? And I think she's kind of saying, like, I know Lindsay, and Lindsay does want to be in a relationship. So she's playing it the cool girl way. But like, just be honest. Honest. But also don't date the milkman because the milkman dated Kelly Dodd.
- [47:42]
A
Right.
- [47:43]
B
So we don't need that. It reminds me of like when she dated that guy Payman who also hung out with Carol on Roni.
- [47:49]
A
I will say.
- [47:51]
B
Are we talking about the CVS scene?
- [47:53]
A
Yes. I need to stop going to grocery stores with these people because these the
- [47:59]
B
only places they can film in New York.
- [48:01]
A
I don't want to be in the grocery store. All of this feels so forced and I can't. I can't stand these. Lexi is such a miss for me. I. I don't want to hear about you having sex with Andrea. I think it's really weird.
- [48:14]
B
I'm so glad you guys are hot and I'm really happy you're having sex. Do I need a pre coital scene? I don't. Do I need a post coital scene? I absolutely do not. Do I need to know about the positions you're doing to try to get pregnant? No. Do I need to know that Andrea's dick hurts because he's sore? I don't got nice. And do I need them in flashback scenes?
- [48:36]
A
No.
- [48:38]
B
Just go be hot. There are ways to show Andrea in just underwear. Let's figure out different ways than just having or thinking about having sex.
- [48:46]
A
It felt so uncomfortable watching this. I didn't think it was funny. I thought it was so cringe. I had secondhand embarrassment. I. I just didn't like it at all. I. And then I also do feel like it proved to us that Lindsay was definitely trying to get pregnant.
- [49:03]
B
I completely agree because I'm okay. So Lindsay's definitely used this ovulation app, whatever it is. I don't know. Probably natural cycles or something. She's definitely used it when she's like. Yeah, I was doing back bends in my living room. Like, wait, okay. So Lindsay's giving us more and more info, not realizing that she is or she just doesn't give a anymore. But, like, it is pretty funny to hear her talk about this.
- [49:27]
A
It was funny to see Lindsay teaching the girls how to get pregnant. And guess what?
- [49:32]
B
What?
- [49:32]
A
She's a great teacher because Yavon and Lexi are pregnant now. So that is very exciting.
- [49:38]
B
Get out of the aisle. Because that man, the grandpa that was freaking them out, he just wanted to go down the aisle. Okay. And you guys are blocking them with the camera crew. The man came to CVS to pick up whatever it was Miralax I don't know what he's getting in that aisle. Get out. The man just wanted to get that. And he's gonna just make jokes so that you guys have to leave.
- [49:55]
A
Yeah. So next week are we going to to Yvonne and Nick's after party? I feel like it's been a little bit strange how they filmed like the Kenny thing was kind of a cliffhanger. Then, you know, we go to city hall and then we don't see them actually get married. But it seems like.
- [50:16]
B
I thought you couldn't bring cameras in there is probably what I was thinking.
- [50:20]
A
Oh, it just felt like unfinished business. Right.
- [50:23]
B
Like we walk away, they're like, so the milkman. Anyway, ways it's our turn. But like, maybe they could have flashed a photo of them or something because Lindsay was there. I did think it was cute too that Lindsay brought the bouquet and a boutonniere. And I did really love her three piece suit.
- [50:37]
A
Yes, yes.
- [50:37]
B
I thought she looks great. But then, yes, this seems like it's the celebration dinner. But then I was also thinking too, you know, what's like crazy about this? And then I think I am too codependent on my parents. Maybe. I was thinking, wait, you guys went to city hall and it was just Lindsay that was there? Like, where was your fam? I don't know why I thought that maybe it'd be something else or. Or I don't know.
- [50:58]
A
At the end of the day, they just never got the marriage license.
- [51:01]
B
Yeah. So maybe that's it. I feel like my mom would be holding my hand, Mary, and saying, get your ass to city hall right now. I'll be the witness. Let's go.
- [51:11]
A
Right.
- [51:12]
B
And both of us need therapy for our parental relationships. And we should go think about that right now. Anything else about the city? Ready?