TJG: In The City S1 E8!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Judgey Girls – In The City S1 E8! ("Caught in the Crossfire")

Hosts: Mary (Bay Area) & Courtney (LA)
Release Date: July 8, 2026
Episode Theme:
Recap and in-depth discussion of “In The City” Season 1, Episode 8, focusing on reality TV drama, social media “beef”, cast trip antics, and the unraveling relationships within the group—especially Kyle and Amanda. The co-hosts blend show analysis with real-time social media gossip and their trademark witty banter.

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Main Discussion Points

1. Show & Episode Overview

• Episode title: “Caught in the Crossfire”—a nod to both the group’s paintball outing and the escalating interpersonal conflicts.
• Season context: Penultimate episode of the season, with unresolved tensions building up for the finale.

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2. Social Media Drama & Bravo Gossip

(02:56 – 05:14, 37:48 – 39:12)

• Beef on Threads: Ongoing public spat between the Queens of Bravo fan account and cast member Lindsay Hubbard.
  • Lindsay calls out Queens of Bravo for targeting her on social media.
  • Quote: "If you are a Bravo fan account and 90% of your posts and clips are to incite hate towards any Bravo TV talent...this is called cyberbullying." (Lindsay, 37:48)
• Fan accounts’ impact: Discussion about the influence and possible harm from negative Bravo fan pages.
  • Courtney: "Once it happens to you, is that when you make this stance?" (37:50)
• Lindsay’s online confrontations: Lindsay also in online tiffs with Danielle and Rachel Lindsay.
  • Mary: "To be honest, I just would not want to be involved in a fight with Lindsay Hubbard, especially online." (05:14)
• Ratings shade: Mary and Courtney react to Queens of Bravo's jab at the show's "series low" ratings.

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3. Cast Dynamics and Episode Recap

(19:00 – 59:58)

A. Cast Trip to Connecticut

• Travel logistics: Three cars, comical seating arrangements (“Third row is meant for children…” Mary, 19:26).
• Low-budget vibes: Mary points out how the cast trip destination feels less glamorous versus other reality shows.

B. Kyle & Amanda's Relationship Breakdown

• Key Theme: Escalating tension as their marriage unravels on camera.
• Big moment at Friendsgiving dinner—Amanda realizes, "wow, so this is over" (Mary, 21:14).
• Quote: "We are glorified roommates who sometimes like each other. We love each other...but we're not in love." (Courtney, 23:10)
• Discussion of finances, DJ gigs, and Amanda’s frustration that Kyle books work events without consulting her.
• Cheating rumors resurface (“Lindsay says he has cheated on her so many times, we don't talk about them.” Mary, 56:35).
• Therapy avoidance: Both hosts criticize Kyle & Amanda for not implementing therapy homework or tangible changes. (“That would require them to go to the therapist, which they stopped doing…” Courtney, 53:43)

C. Group Trip Antics & Room Wars

• Primary suite drama: Kenny offers Yvonne & Nick first pick, but Lindsay and Georgina claim it for themselves, justifying with the “mom card.”
  • Quote: “Since Yvonne and Nick, everyone ruined their wedding, they should get the first pick…As soon as we get in the house, Georgina claims it…” (Mary, 34:41)
  • Mary: "Her whole thing was, 'we're two moms that haven't been away from our kids'..." (39:12)
• Passive aggression and reality TV showmanship play into how cast members stake claims and resolve disputes.

D. Paintball & Classic Reality Hijinks

• Paintball teams and strategy—Lindsay intentionally picks “enemies” for her team to avoid getting shot by them. (“I just want to protect myself…” – Lindsay, 44:39 via paraphrase)
• Georgina’s redemption: Picked last, she wins for her team, joking about redemption from childhood gym class (46:23).

E. Yvonne & Lindsay's Friendship Rift

• Recap of their on-screen confrontation—Yvonne upset that Lindsay didn't support her during a ruined event.
• Meta-reality TV moment: Both hosts dissect the blurred line between show drama and real-life friendship.
  • Mary: “I wish they could have broken the fourth wall in that moment. It just felt a little off.” (31:36)
  • Courtney: "It just was like a real life fight versus a reality TV fight." (33:54)

F. Whitney, Lexi, and the "Mom Card"

• Lexi relays Whitney’s criticism of Lindsay always bringing up being a single mom:
  • Whitney: "There’s a lot of single moms and people that don’t have nannies…" (paraphrase, 41:47)
  • Lexi’s awkwardness leads her to immediately share the gossip, setting up further drama.

G. Dinner, Drama & Cheating Allegations

• Catered dinner from DoorDash: Group jokes about their “chef-catered” meal actually being food delivery (50:20).
• Gavin stirs the pot: Brings up Kyle’s upcoming DJ gigs, prompting another eruption.
• Female vs. male alliances: The group divides along gender lines in their defense of Amanda or Kyle during the dinner confrontation.
  • “All the men are defending Kyle, and all the females are defending Amanda.” (Mary, 54:27)

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4. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It's like we go from Summer House and now we're in the city at the table with these two.” (Courtney, 21:37)
• "If I was Kyle, $250,000, sign me up." (Mary, 24:53)
• "I feel like Amanda is the kid of the group...the little sister and kind of like the annoying one no one really wanted there." (Courtney, 28:34)
• “You have reality TV veterans, then you have this whole scandal that's happening, so everyone's watching it through a different lens.” (Courtney, 06:41)
• (On being recognized on Bravo TV’s social media): “One step closer to those bartenders, Courtney. Ask, believe, receive.” (Mary, 11:21)
• (On Kyle’s finances): “But then it's really him also party completely.” (Courtney, 25:40)
• (On internet snark): “If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.” (Mary, 38:23)

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5. Humor and Pop Culture Tangents

• Childhood games: The hosts reminisce about Crossfire, Hungry Hungry Hippos, Operation (18:12-18:57).
• Target and errand fantasies: Mary dreams of a peaceful solo Target run (27:20).
• Amanda’s fur vest: A lighthearted aside about her outfit (28:20).
• Meta-reality: The group’s meal being “catered” by DoorDash (50:20) and joking that ordering food delivery is now “catering.”

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6. Final Thoughts and Next Week’s Teasers

• Season finale preview: The upcoming episode promises to close key storylines, especially around Amanda, Kyle, and their mutual entanglements.
• Hope for Season 2: Despite low ratings, both hosts urge listeners to support the show.
  • "We have to get this to a season two. I can't say goodbye to them." (Courtney, 59:39)
• Reunion speculation: Mary hopes for a two-part reunion to address unresolved drama (59:33).

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamps | |---------------------------------------------|-----------------| | Social Media & Queens of Bravo Drama | 02:56-05:14; 37:48-39:12 | | Amanda & Kyle’s Relationship Dissection | 21:14-24:04; 51:01-57:49 | | Primary Suite Room Drama | 34:41-39:50 | | Paintball & Georgina’s Redemption | 44:26-46:48 | | Lindsay & Yvonne Friendship Conflict | 30:17-33:54 | | Whitney/Lexi “Mom Card” Controversy | 41:10-42:55 | | Cheating Allegations Against Kyle | 56:35-58:08 | | Hosts’ On-Camera Lie (Quiet Woman Story) | 11:46-13:11 | | Catered Dinner & Group Table Drama | 50:20-51:01 | | Season 2 Hopes & Reunion Speculation | 59:39-60:03 |

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Overall Tone & Language

• Conversational, witty, and self-aware, blending earnest reality TV analysis with playful mockery and humor.
• The hosts are candid, sometimes irreverent, and openly blend insider gossip with their opinions—but also show sympathy for the reality TV cast when “hate accounts” cross the line.
• Both display a strong parasocial affection for their favorite (and not-so-favorite) cast members, treating them as real people and long-running narrative characters.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode delivers a fast-paced, detail-rich recap of In The City’s latest drama, engaging with both the on-screen conflicts and the wider Bravo social media ecosystem. Mary and Courtney’s banter is punctuated by sharp insights, quick humor, and genuine investment in the cast, making this episode perfect for Bravo fans trying to keep up with both the show’s plot and its real-time internet fallout.

Skip the intros and ads, but don’t miss the real-time reactions to Lindsay’s social media posts—this is a podcast where Bravo gossip and show analysis collide in real time.

Transcript

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[Mary]

Welcome back to two judgy Girls. This is Mary from the bay and

[Courtney]

it's Courtney from la. It's in the city day, the penultimate episode. Mary to the season finale next week. Can't believe it's almost over.

[Mary]

Yes. To be honest, the beginning of the episode, I was like, God, this just feels so filler. And then it got good towards the

[Courtney]

end, it was a little crazy. But there's also offline from the show. There's stuff going on on threads. There's beef going on between Queens of Bravo and Lindsay Hubbard. And you know, Lindsay is very attentive on threads.

[Mary]

The.

[Courtney]

Yes, she is. She has really leaned in and I think there's beef between them because Queens of Bravo is a Danielle Stan, and I don't know if has it out for Lindsay because of that, but Queens of Bravo yesterday posted a clip from tonight's episode and I had seen the post and it was like they accidentally said Yvonne and Kenny as opposed to Yvonne and Nick. So I had seen that, but then they had deleted it. And so then earlier, earlier I saw a thread that was reposted, the same scene but like changed with the error. So it's like in the City preview. Kenny attempts to give Yvonne and Nick first pick of the room during the cast trip, but her best friend and Georgia have a different plan. And so Lindsay responds to this and is like, wait, so you deleted your other post and reposted it because I commented on it. Okay, here we go again. Kenny and Whitney had the biggest room in the house, the only one with an en suite bathroom. If Kenny was so concerned with giving Yvonne and Nick ad not offer their room. Now, I never saw Lindsay's first response. So I don't know if that was her re saying what she had posted or not. But so then Queens of Bravo comments is like, no, I corrected what I said originally. I had said big room. The video shows Kenny offering them first pick. You and Georgina weren't okay with giving your best friend first pick? Is that not what happened in the video? The Kenny part you can take up with him. I'm just describing what I saw in the video and advertising your show that just reached another series low in the overn ratings.

[Mary]

Oh, ouch.

[Courtney]

I was like, oh my God.

[Mary]

What did Lindsay say back to that?

[Courtney]

I haven't seen a response from Lindsay. But Georgina then responded today. A, at paintball, Kenny told Lindsay that since the two of them were hosts, they would get first pick of the rooms. B, in the car before that, Kenny suggested Yvonne and Nick take the primary C. Two totally different plans, the latter of which was never discussed with Lindsay. The opposite in said to her. See point A above. D sounds like a setup to me.

[Mary]

Oh, wow. To be honest, I just would not want to be involved in a fight with Lindsay Hubbard, especially online. No.

[Courtney]

Because now Lindsay and Rachel. Lindsay are also beefing a little bit too, because Rachel, in on her pod on morally corrupt, talked about Lindsay and Danielle's relationship. I'm paraphrasing and summarizing this, but saying something along the lines of, like, I don't think Lindsay's jealous, but I think that there is something going on there. And Lindsay responded to that and, like, started something. So Lindsay's doing a lot online right now. And I agree it would be scary to be on the other side of that. The dig of the low ratings, though, I was like, ooh. Also because I like this show, I

[Mary]

didn't know anything about them having low ratings. The end of the episode was especially interesting with Kyle and Amanda. It gave us a deeper look into their relationship. I can't wait to talk about that. But it's definitely freshman season. They haven't found the footing. To me, it's like, Lexi is really, really tough. That is the hardest person for me to watch. And Yvonne and Nick, I find silly Yvonne. She really is Daria. To me. She's completely monotone. No inflection in her voice. But I love how she stood up to Lindsay this week. And I thought Lindsay was. Was especially aggressive towards her.

[Courtney]

Lindsay was, like, on the defense a lot this episode. I also think too, is that you said that they haven't found their footing. I think that these past couple episodes, they have. I think that they are all starting to understand the reality world a little bit. You have reality TV veterans, then you have this whole scandal that's happening, so everyone's watching it through a different lens. And then you also just have these people where we're like, okay, we're trying to get to know them. So some we know we're getting a lot of information from Kenny than some people that we're not seeing really anything from. And so I think these past couple episodes, especially when you throw them in a house together, is where the chaos ensues. I've particularly liked this season. I know some people have it. It reminds me truly of the Valley when it's like you have these people who want to be on reality tv. You have these people in the next phase of their life.

[Mary]

I also think it's funny. It feels really low budget. Like their cast trip is to Connecticut.

[Courtney]

I mean, they're getting a cast trip. The show's called in the City. I don't think that we necessarily even need a cast trip, but I'm glad we're getting one because it's turning into the Shining.

[Mary]

Well, we love people trapped in a home together.

[Courtney]

Here's Kyle. Okay, before we get into it, though, we do have to talk about a tough loss yesterday. That was tough. The usa, we did lose. The men lost, and that was sad. And it was a spanking, and it was a little embarrassing.

[Mary]

They scored first, then we tied it up. I was like, okay, okay, okay. Then it went downhill. It went downhill.

[Courtney]

The one goal where the goalie was out, it just, you know, and here I am. The. The highest professional level of sport I have in soccer is like, JV from high school. So I have a professional lens. I'm definitely allowed to give on, But I just watched and I was like, oh, no. And then the worst is, like, when you're out and you're watching it somewhere and you take on that loss and 10 minutes to go. Everyone's trying to close out their tab because, like, when this game is over, I gotta get out of here. Like, I've gotta get out of here. You know, you're like, can I get that check? Yeah. No, I'm staying. I just. Once it's done. I can't wait 15 minutes for you to circle back. I gotta leave.

[Mary]

Michael and I were so on the fence about going to watch it out, and we had been gone all weekend, so I was just kind of tired. It was Monday. I was like, you know what? We can definitely watch it here. Let's just watch it here. And I looked at him when it was like, three one, and I was like, I'm so glad we didn't go out. I didn't even watch the last 15 minutes in front of the screen. I was in Charlie's jail with him and just listening.

[Courtney]

Charlie's jail?

[Mary]

That his cage? You know, a play pen?

[Courtney]

Sure. Of course, the first half, it was noisy in the bar, and then the second half, it was just. Was dead silent and a lot of random. Come on, come on.

[Mary]

You know, it's funny you say people were trying to close out, and I actually. I find this, even when they win, they don't stay that long after me. If my team wins and I'm out, that's like, I'm drinking for 12 hours

[Courtney]

now, to be fair, you were at a restaurant. Every place I've gone to, they've been staying. They've been staying, They've been staying. They've been saying so much that I'm like, thank God the games today are at 9am like, the Argentina Egypt game is going on right now. And then a 1pm game. I'm like, I need a night. I can't go out anymore. Could I stay home? Of course I could. But then I'm like, oh, my God, fomo. I need to stay in. My bank account. Thanks me today. The errands that I put off because this tournament started and obviously that takes precedent to real life. You know, it's just. I was like, oh, my God, I have a night. What do I do with it?

[Mary]

Maybe catch up on Love Island?

[Courtney]

No, I'm too far behind on that, unfortunately.

[Mary]

Okay, so you're out. You're out.

[Courtney]

We're in the final week of Love Island. I can't watch 40 episodes, but I'm enjoying the chatter about it. And I think people were really not liking this season of usa. And now it seems like since movie night, from what I've gathered from threads, the Internet is now it's really taken a turn for the good.

[Mary]

That's what I've heard. The movie night was a big standout. And it was two parts, I believe.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I think so. Look at us. We're like, We've heard also, you guys just like a subtle plug. But I don't know if you guys saw the Bravo TV, Instagram or TikTok yesterday, but there were two judgy girls featured on it from the RHOC red carpet celebrating 20 years of Housewives.

[Mary]

That was so exciting. One step closer to those bartenders. Courtney. Ask, believe, receive. I'm feeling maybe by 2027.

[Courtney]

I was gonna say, I think it's a 2027 thing. I just don't wanna put too much pressure. We're in H2 now. Let's be nice to ourselves. We made it onto the feed.

[Mary]

We did.

[Courtney]

We did.

[Mary]

And I have to be honest here.

[Courtney]

Oh, no, you guys.

[Mary]

I got a little frazzled and guys, this is.

[Courtney]

This is literally so funny.

[Mary]

I. I don't. I also, I never lie. I really don't. Like, if I tell a lie, I get really nervous and I'll like, immediately tell you, you know, like, I just can't do it.

[Courtney]

You nervous? Laugh.

[Mary]

Oh, my gosh. I can't do it. And for some reason, it just came out of my mouth. I was like, oh, I want to mention the quiet woman when they asked me. But then I kept going on and I was like, I always. I'm in Orange County. You guys know I've never been. So now I really gotta go because I don't want people to think I'm a liar.

[Courtney]

Okay, please watch my face, you guys. When Mary says that she always goes to the Quiet Woman in Orange county when she visits with all of her friends, I'm like, who the hell are all of these friends in Orange County? I've never been to the Quiet Woman. I am like laughing as she's delivering this. I'm like, commit, Commit. Land the plane, Mary. Land the plane.

[Mary]

That's a secret between friends. You guys know the truth and you'll all see the truth.

[Courtney]

I like had sent it to people and I was like, by the way, Mary never been to Quiet Woman.

[Mary]

Never.

[Courtney]

And you know what they all said? She is so convincing. I'd assume she always goes there when she visits Orange County.

[Mary]

It just like came to mind and you know, it was a one take thing and I just went with it.

[Courtney]

Yes. And if you will, it's the improv rule. Yes. And anyway, should we take a break and come back with the episode?

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[Mary]

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[Courtney]

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[Courtney]

Yeah. I was also thinking about the 90s game Crossfire. Do you remember that game you played against each other? And it was almost like a pinball version with these little silver balls and they had spinny things, and the goal was to get as many on the other side. Do you remember that game?

[Mary]

I feel like I remember a commercial of this game. Remember when they used to have commercials for board games?

[Courtney]

Ugh. Kerplunk. Wow. Hungry Hungry Hippos.

[Mary]

Oh, I loved a Hungry Hungry Hippo. Yes. I always wanted Operation, but I never owned it.

[Courtney]

You never got it.

[Mary]

Never got it.

[Courtney]

I'm sorry. All right, I'm gonna write that down for a birthday gift this year.

[Mary]

I'd be so bad at it now, I think. Whoa. I do not have sweaty hands.

[Courtney]

You're not gonna get that. Wishbone board games. Not having access to any Internet. As a kid, life was different.

[Mary]

It was good. It was great. Yeah.

[Courtney]

Okay, so we're en route to Connecticut. We've got three different cars going. One is packed to the brim.

[Mary]

You couldn't even see. See Danielle and Owen in the way back. I was like, where are they back there? They're in that third row.

[Courtney]

I didn't even know that Andrea and Lexi were in the car until we got a camera shot. And I was like, oh, okay. I don't know why they got stuck in that third row. That, to me, is like, claustrophobia. I can never sit in a third row. Like, it's really bad.

[Mary]

The third row is meant for children and that you pack them in on the way to soccer practice, not adults. Maybe if an Uber ride home when you're really wasted from a wedding.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Or if you're, like, going from the two T's in a pod live show to Balboa.

[Mary]

That was a Suburban. It was luxurious. This is like the back of the BMW. It's even smaller.

[Courtney]

Okay, then we've got car two, and we've got the girls car. It's Lindsay, Georgina, and Amanda. Amanda has given her luggage to Kyle somehow, who's put it in his car. And he has Gavin, Yvonne, and Nick.

[Mary]

It would have been interesting if Kyle and Amanda had to drive up together, just the two of them, because I feel like would have had some interesting conversations. Because when you're alone, trapped in a car, and you're not looking at each other face to face, I think you have really good conversations. It's like when you go on a walk with someone.

[Courtney]

Mary, we've watched Kyle and Amanda drive in silence from summer house for 10 seasons.

[Mary]

Like, this will give us nothing.

[Courtney]

Yeah, they're like, we can't put those two together. It won't work. By the way, you guys, this episode is leading up to BravoCon. So when we're talking about Hakasan, that is the Bravo Con date that he was playing. This is the trip that they were on before they left for BravoCon. So that's where we are in the timeline. I believe BravoCon was November 13th to 15th. So we're earlier in this week.

[Mary]

Oh, I didn't put that together. Okay. That's a good piece of knowledge.

[Courtney]

And at this point, it's like, you guys are done. If I was this group, I'd be so pissed that I'd have to go on this trip with these two because I'm like, you guys clearly aren't together anymore. Like, this is actual madness. You're both at the brim. You're both living separate lives, and then you're gonna pretend because you only have a few more of filming.

[Mary]

I feel like at that table, Amanda realized, like, wow, so this is over. We saw a big glimpse into that.

[Courtney]

You don't think it was when she signed a one year lease with no furniture.

[Mary]

Now I'm really looking forward to the reunion to hear her thought process in getting the one year lease.

[Courtney]

You are correct, though, because I feel like she was having a full body panic attack at that point when they were talking about it. I did feel bad for her because it's like, once again, everyone's dealing with these two at the table. It's like we go from Summer house and now we're in the city at the table with these two. And I do think it was this realization of, okay, we're done. But I think she almost felt like she maybe had control of being done. And then when she's hearing Kyle living this life and maybe not missing her and yearning for her because he's enjoying feeling free. It's like, oh, okay, we really, neither of us are fighting for this. It's done. Done.

[Mary]

I also get the feeling that she is the one that has to decide it needs to be over. He is willing to live their lives separate, but together. He doesn't feel like the one that would actually pull the Trigger and say, okay, we're done. It's kind of like she has to.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I see what you're saying on that. It's difficult because she was the one that made the first move to move out. Someone had to do that. It's good that she did it. And then you can see too, when she's having this panic attack, she's like, he's just always angry. And was it Kenny or was it Gavin? Somebody made a point that was like, there's a difference of having to come home and wanting to come home. Kyle does not want to come home. They know that it's just fully tension when the two of them are in a room together because they are on separate paths. They're doing whatever they can to numb themselves from the depression of their relationship and the end of it. And it's just become point where it's like, we are glorified roommates who sometimes like each other. We love each other and the fact that we've had this life together, but we're not in love. We tolerate each other, but it's not there anymore, and someone has to do something.

[Mary]

And I also feel like they never were in a team unit together. Kyle still lived his life without getting her approval, checking in on anything. He still lived his life almost as a single person when she thought he would change when they got married and give her a little bit respect and clue her in on things before he said yes. And she realizes in this moment, like, wow, you took that DJ gig and didn't even consult me. That's what I've been talking about. We have to be a team, and you have to let me know about these things, and we have to talk about them, and he doesn't. He just lives his own life.

[Courtney]

But I also think he has tried to talk about it, and I think that she has shut it down. And so he's like, I already know what the answer is. I'm not having this conversation again where there's no compromise. It's basically either I do it or I don't do it. And they make a point at the table. It's like, Kyle, you are partying. There's this gray area. There are these dms that come out. We'll talk about the cheating rumors. But if you were just going to work and then coming home and then there wasn't any gray area that Amanda had to worry about, things would be different.

[Mary]

As Danielle said, he found the loophole.

[Courtney]

Yeah. And Danielle hates Amanda. So the fact that she's on Amanda's Side should be telling here because they hate each other. They do not like each other. Katie DeLuca. Not on this trip.

[Mary]

She was not. But also, if I was Kyle, $250,000 sign me up.

[Courtney]

I also just think this is like his next thing. I really do. I. Kyle's problem is that he's so business oriented, but then blurs the line because it's like, I'm gonna do this DJ gig. I'm getting paid X amount of dollars. I'm getting paid to fly out there the whole time. I also get to make sure that Lover Boy is in every single place that I'm DJing. So I'm trying to save my company. But also the problem is, is that when I have to do these meet and greets or these fan interactions, I'm also drinking the Lover Boy. And maybe I don't need to do that. But maybe one's not too bad. Well, if I had one, two's not gonna be too bad. And then like, okay, here comes a third one. And then like, oh, I'm having so much fun. I need to just keep going.

[Mary]

Oh, yeah, I get that.

[Courtney]

But there's just a fine line for him because it's like the DJ gig is the paid part of it. And then I think he looks at the meet and greet or the hangout or the fan interactions as a plus into it that he's almost offering for quote unquote free. But then it's really him also party completely.

[Mary]

I wonder, you know, how he said that Lover Boy was going to get bought. I wonder who was going to buy that. And if now a company is interested in buying it currently.

[Courtney]

I bet somebody is.

[Mary]

Maybe Bethany Frankel.

[Courtney]

Oh, God. Well, maybe that's what they talked about at Surf Lodge.

[Mary]

I think we're going to Surf Lodge.

[Courtney]

I just can't believe that, like, after this entire thing, this should be Kyle's worst season. The divorce, the separation, everything that he could save Lover Boy and it actually be sold to someone.

[Mary]

I mean, that is my hope. That is my dream. Honestly, when he talks about it on his Instagram stories.

[Courtney]

Why are you getting so kiddie?

[Mary]

It kind of is convincing because the reason he created Lover Boy was he was trying to eliminate all the sugar from those drinks and apparently is the healthiest beverage on the market. I. I might be going to BevMo in.

[Courtney]

In the tea category for that sector.

[Mary]

I'm sure, like the seltzers and stuff. He. He was selling me, Courtney. He was selling me. And then I thought to myself, I need to go to BevMo today. Oh.

[Courtney]

Oh, you're gonna go invest if you will.

[Mary]

I. This is my dream scenario for today. I'd like to go to Target.

[Courtney]

Okay.

[Mary]

I. The last time I was in a Target was with you, and that was a quickie. I want to have a relaxing day into Target and I would like it to same parking lot as Abev Mo and I could see if I could get some lover boys. And then I'd like to do a taste test.

[Courtney]

So is there a Target in the same shopping center as abovemo or is this just a dream of your perfect day?

[Mary]

I think there might be one at Daly City.

[Courtney]

Okay, well, I just. Your dream scenario I didn't know was in actuality could happen.

[Mary]

I mean, it is hard to run errands in San Francisco proper.

[Courtney]

You guys, I. I hope that you can achieve your dream scenario. We'll check in with you tomorrow on that.

[Mary]

Yeah. Now, do I bring my child or not?

[Courtney]

What's part of your dream scenario?

[Mary]

Not having him.

[Courtney]

I think you got your answer then. I just want to leisurely walk around to Target. I get it. I get it. Okay, back to the show.

[Mary]

Okay. What did you think about Amanda's fur vest?

[Courtney]

Oh, you know, I didn't even notice it, so I didn't have much thought around it. Did it bother you?

[Mary]

No, it caught my eye. I think I liked it.

[Courtney]

You love a fur.

[Mary]

I know.

[Courtney]

Fake fur. Obviously the fact that she's driving. Because Lindsay has also mentioned too off camera, that her and Amanda really grew close with this. And it's funny because when Amanda refers to her and Kyle as kids later in the episode, you know, they're sharing a twin bedroom. I feel like Amanda is the kid of the group and like the little sister and kind of like the annoying one no one really wanted there. But then I also think that Lindsay has taken her under her wing a little bit. We're not seeing enough of that because I don't think that they're trying to present Amanda as positive as maybe they intended to pre scandal.

[Mary]

I know. I would love to know what was the original edit versus this new edit. I will say I really am enjoying Georgina. We found out that she puts her kids to bed every single night, even when they're at their ex's house. I think that is. Wow, that is amazing. Co parenting. I can't imagine doing that.

[Courtney]

Good for them, especially after he walked out on her. I need her to snap a little bit. Like, I need her to go a little crazy because I know it's in there. I need to see her on a wild night out. Now, I don't know if that will affect the practice.

[Mary]

When Kyle was talking about his. His butthole problem, I just kept on thinking, you have a doctor right in front of you. I know she's a derm, but she probably has some knowledge about this.

[Courtney]

What do you want him to do, bend over for her? I just feel like in friendship, there are lines I don't necessarily need to cross. It makes me think of Shannon when David had to go up there and get the enema.

[Mary]

Never forget.

[Courtney]

I haven't. I literally have not forgotten about that. I just dragged it from, like, her season nine. Okay, we're in 20.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Courtney]

We have Yvonne and Lindsay, who are fighting, but they're, like, not fighting, but they talk 18 times a day. And obviously they haven't talked since the wedding. But it's not even a wedding. It's a dinner for something that happened two years ago. I don't understand why I'm in trouble because I didn't shut the conversation down. What are we doing?

[Mary]

It was hard for me to be on Lindsay's side in this situation because I think she had a lot of downfalls. This episode. It was weird. I feel like there was a lot of tension, and it almost felt performative. It was like, how much is for the show and how much is real life? It felt a little strange.

[Courtney]

Yeah. I think when they had their sit down later in the episode, I felt like Yvonne was coming from a real place of friendship, being like, my feelings were hurt. I just wanted you to stand up for me. You're standing up for Amanda and Kyle. And then Lindsay's head, she can't say, but she's like, this is all part of the show, too. And so I think she came in being like, are we going to be fighting? Fighting about this? And then when she could tell, Yvonne was, like, actually really hurt about it, I think she let her guard down a little bit more and was like, okay, let's move on from this. You know, I am sorry. That night did suck. But before, she was, like, kind of going a little hard at Yvonne, where I'm like, she just wants you to say sorry that the event did not go the way you wanted it to.

[Mary]

Right. At first, I thought she was being very passive aggressive towards Yvonne. And even, like, when she says, like, do you want to play chess? It was almost like, you want to play this game? Like, this is my game. I know reality tv. And then her being like, I've been there for everything for you. Your wedding Shower. Your bachelorette party. Your party in Mexico. She's getting all heated, and you could just tell. I was like, okay, like, what? What is for the show? What is your actual friendship? I feel like she was really, like, trying to put Yvonne in her place. And like you said, Yvonne's just like, are we gonna let the show get between our real friendship? It felt very strange, and I wish they could have broken the fourth wall in that moment. It just felt a little off.

[Courtney]

Well, and it's like Lindsay's beefing with Danielle on the show. She's beefing. Not this second, but she will be beefing with Whitney. She's got a lot of heat that's, like, going in every direction, too. And so I think she's kind of like, I'm gonna keep the same energy for everyone at this point. If I have to have a confrontation, I'm gonna see how this goes. And then was like, okay, because she's like, you know, I'm fighting with Danielle. She's screaming at me across the table. I'm watching Amanda and Kyle. I'm getting blamed for this because then Yvonne also blamed Lindsay at the dinner, too, for bringing up this trip like, you're taking over my night. Kenny did it. And also, we have to say on camera why we're going to Connecticut in a couple of days. That is part of the thing. So I know you want to be mad at me for that, but also, you can't be mad at me for that bright brain. So she could have just said, I'm sorry originally. She could have just said that. She finally does say that. But I don't know if that's exactly how Yvonne wanted it to come through.

[Mary]

Right. And she was yelling, I am sorry. Okay, okay. And poor Yvonne, she's like.

[Courtney]

Like, it doesn't really look like you're

[Mary]

being my best friend, and your friendship means everything to me. I also think Yvonne realizes, she said in her confessional, how Lindsay and her not on the same page in their friendship right now because they're at different places in their life. And she talked about that too. But I feel like they're in a good place in real time. But this was kind of an interesting fight.

[Courtney]

It just was like a real life fight versus a reality TV fight.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

And I think Ivana will learn now. Okay, We've got this also, too. It's like, I know that her event was ruined, and I'm so sorry about that. But as a viewer, I was like, I'm so glad it was because that was cinema tv, and at the end of the day, I think Lindsay is also trying to be like, you have to realize there will be conflict and there will be resolution. And unfortunately, sometimes it's going to happen at the events you throw. And Yvonne also has, like, a little chip on her shoulder too, because she was let go from her job. And she's like, I am a good event planner. She's like, and then when you guys. Guys fight at my very well done event, people are not going to see that. They're just going to remember the fight.

[Mary]

Right? Yeah.

[Courtney]

Okay, but let's back up because we need to talk about the room situation.

[Mary]

This was pretty controversial. So Kenny has this great idea. Since Yvonne and Nick, everyone ruined their wedding, they should get the first pick of the room. And it felt like this had been discussed at paintballing and in the car. And as soon as we get in the house, Georgina goes up the stairs, finds the primary and claims it for her and Lindsay. And that bothers some people because Kenny's like, well, we were gonna offer it to Yvonne and Nick, and Yvonne just was like, well, you're gonna do what you wanna do so you guys can have that room. It was a nice gesture, but thanks. But she doesn't seem to care in that moment.

[Courtney]

What did you think? No, I thought that was passive aggressive from Yvonne. Yes.

[Mary]

Hell. Because her voice is monotone.

[Courtney]

But it doesn't seem like, as we talked about earlier in this episode that Georgina mentioned, it doesn't seem like that was with Lindsay. It's almost like Kenny is acting as if he's the host of this. I'm like, Lindsay literally has gift baskets for every single couple or person on this trip. So Lindsay is definitely hosting. All these rooms, by the way, look nice. This house is huge. I don't think it's that crazy that if they wanted to give Yvonne and Nick the next choice, and, like, if that's Kenny's choice to do so, then Kenny, give up your pick.

[Mary]

Right, right, right.

[Courtney]

It seems like Kenny was kind of like, well, Yvonne, Nick, you guys go first, then I'll go second, then Lindsay and Georgina can go next. And it's like, well. But also, you guys, I wanted to circle back on what we talked about earlier because we were mentioning this Queens of Bravo and Lindsay argument, and it feels like it' as we've been recording. Okay, so Lindsay posted on Threads, and I don't know if there's something that had gone on in between that first commentary or not, but she's just posted this as we've been recording. So I said, this is hot off the press from Hub House PR. Consider this a formal PSA. If you are a Bravo fan account and 90% of your posts and clips are to incite hate towards towards any Bravo TV talent when their shows are airing. This is called cyber bullying. Cyberbullying, all in caps. It's okay to have opinions. That's the point of us putting our lives on tv. Different journeys invite different perspectives from the audience. But when the majority of your clips and posts are directed towards one person in an extremely negative way, it reaches a point of obsession and bullying. I know more than most what we sign up for. I have shared every part of my journey to my ability for the past 10, 10 years. We appreciate the Bravo fan accounts and Bravoholics who share their opinions and create conversations respectfully. However, there is a line. This line has been increasingly crossed with me for years from this account, and it's unacceptable. We need to be better as humans toward each other. We live in weird times and the least we can do is enjoy Bravo with respect to the human beings that are opening up their lives. Thanks.

[Mary]

This. It's scary.

[Courtney]

First you're like, is this about me? Is this play about us? And then I'm like, well, no, it's not us. So I'm like, I assume this is going further from earlier today, last night, which feels like a lot. And then it's also like, once it happens to you, is that when you make this stance? I mean, you know, there have been accounts going after Amanda and West for months, months now. It's like, where do you draw the line? And I do think that the Internet is a crazy place, and that's why you talk behind people's backs.

[Mary]

Yes. Be normal. Also, these are all just our opinions. They're not.

[Courtney]

Right. That's my opinion.

[Mary]

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. I don't know. The Internet's a weird place. If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.

[Courtney]

Well, don't tag them. I mean, obviously there is a line, but when she's, like, posting that, I'm like, oh, man, this is, like, escalating.

[Mary]

She's activated.

[Courtney]

Yeah, she is activated.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

So anyways, that's just an update. Hopefully nothing else happens between now and a couple of hours from now. Lindsay, you were totally in the right. You take the primary and you were never doing anything wrong. Now, here's a question I have for you. Because you are now our mother. Should the excuse of we never get away from our kids and we're moms, should that Be the reason why she receives the primary.

[Mary]

No. Okay. Her whole thing was, we're two moms that haven't been away from our kids in a while, and they will get it when they become a parent. First of all, it was her choice to have her kid. Yeah, you're tired. I get it. I'm tired every single day. But I mean, you could say, say, hey, we're coupling up and we want the primary. We're two women, so we would like to have it too.

[Courtney]

Or also being like, I planned this trip with you, Kenny, so one of the two of our groupings is going to get the primary. And if you think that you, a first season reality guy is gonna get the best room, I don't think so.

[Mary]

Yeah, I think she's gonna get a lot of flack for this. And when Amanda heard Yvonne responding, Amanda was like, like, holding in laughter about it. Did you notice that?

[Courtney]

It was, like, nervous laughter, I feel, where she's like, oh, God. Oh, God. Because also she's experienced this primary because Kyle always has wanted the primary. And it's a little different change of pace now because Amanda's always just kind of gone wherever Kyle decides, which is always the primary. There was a whole thing on Winterhouse between Kyle and Craig about the primary. There's a whole season when Paige decided to take the primary and Amanda and Kyle had to be in a regular room.

[Mary]

I just. I found it so funny because she's like, oh, God, this little fight is brewing.

[Courtney]

Well, I also think it was fun for Amanda, at least fun for her to be on the opposite side of this at one point. Like, she wasn't going to be the central fight of rooms because Kyle and her have no leg to stand on right now.

[Mary]

Right, Right.

[Courtney]

She's like, I'll just take whatever room. I. I don't want to deal with this right now.

[Mary]

And she's like, and then, Gavin, if I get in a fight with Kyle tonight, we will switch with Amanda.

[Courtney]

Are we gonna get in a fight? No. The whole house is gonna get in a fight about you too.

[Mary]

I cannot imagine so many people getting involved in your relationship.

[Courtney]

It's like they went from one show to another of everyone involved. I do want to talk about the Whitney Lexi conversation, though, because I think what Whitney is saying when she's bringing up this mom card. I actually don't think that Lindsay brings up being a single mom as an excuse that. That often. But I think Whitney is just like, hey, filming is ending soon, and you haven't done anything besides being called Boring by Gavin. So we do need to shake it up. And I'm not sure how close Whitney and Lexi are, but I don't think Lexi would be the person I'm telling, because Lexi has gone and run to each person when something's happened this season.

[Mary]

Lexi not stepping in. That was so hilarious. Whitney's like, well, she's always playing the single mom card. And Lexi's like, I don't know about that. I haven't really seen that. And then Whitney's like, well, I mean, there's a lot of single moms and people that don't have nannies and just stepping in it further. And she's like, well, maybe you're not getting what I'm saying. I just don't like that she thinks she's more deserving than other people. And that's what I'm getting at. And Lexi's like, oh, my God, I can't believe you said that out loud on camera. You're gonna get in so much trouble. And I'm gonna run into the bathroom and tell them and pretend like I have to wash my hair, even though I'm not gonna wash my hair before the dinner.

[Courtney]

Wait, I do think she did wash her hair, though, because her hair looked really nice at the dinner. I actually purposely looked. I was like, oh, it looks like she has a fresh blow out there. But I was like, whitney, all you had to say was the last line. All you had to say was the last line. Like, I don't think that she's more deserving than Kenny and I to get the room because she's a mom.

[Mary]

Mom.

[Courtney]

That's all she had to say, her going into the detail. But no, don't do it. Don't do it.

[Mary]

I. I also think with Lindsay right now, it's. Her priorities have shifted, and she vocalizes that. I think she does.

[Courtney]

It's also. She's like, this is my show. How many times do I have to tell you guys? This is my show. You guys are on camera because of me. Except maybe you guys, Kenny and Whitney, because you're Kyle's friends, and I think you're a late add on, and I don't think that I ever signed you. I up for it. Now we're fighting. However, this was my idea. You guys are all working because I pitched this to Bravo. Show me a little respect.

[Mary]

A little respect.

[Courtney]

Just a little. Let's take a break, and we can actually talk about paintball.

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[Mary]

When they first showed up there, I was like, what are they gonna do? What is going on here? And then it was paintball

[Courtney]

team versus team minions.

[Mary]

I loved Lindsay's strategy. She's like, anyone that is mad at me right now, I actually want them to be on my team because I don't want to get hit by them. I thought that was a great move.

[Courtney]

She's like, owen, right away, Danielle, get over here. Yvonne. She's like, I'm not trying to build a strong team. I'm just trying to protect myself. Have you ever been paintballing?

[Mary]

I have not. Have you?

[Courtney]

You? No. Because I feel like I've seen welts and bruises from people who get shot by the paintballs, and I don't want that.

[Mary]

Yeah. I think my time has passed with this paintballing.

[Courtney]

I think if I have to choose, I'm going laser tag.

[Mary]

Oh, I've never done that either. Have you?

[Courtney]

You've never done laser tag? Did you have a childhood? Did you have a Palace park growing up? Did you have a Boomers where you had laser tag, mini golf, all of it, all in one? An arcade game?

[Mary]

No.

[Courtney]

You didn't have a Bullwinkles?

[Mary]

No. I'm telling you, there aren't chains up here. It's like, crazy.

[Courtney]

Or like the bumper boats in the water. You didn't have those kind of things.

[Mary]

So we had this place, it's called Scandia, and it was in Santa Rosa pretty far. And they had the bumper boats in the water and race cards and arcade games. So I have bit to that. But there was only one.

[Courtney]

Oh, we had a lot of them around.

[Mary]

Yeah. No Dave and Busters, Nothing.

[Courtney]

Wow, you've missed out. Laser tap was a fun one.

[Mary]

I was outside touching grass.

[Courtney]

Oh, guys. She played until the street lights came on.

[Mary]

I was watching Full House. Let's be honest.

[Courtney]

How rude. But I was proud of Georgina for winning both of her games, taking them all out. Out. She was chosen last.

[Mary]

She was like, I feel like a redemption from my gym days. I was picked last. I wanted someone to hold me on their shoulders and lift me up. I took the team to the end victory.

[Courtney]

I didn't see her get a trophy though. So you know what? Actually what she should have said is, since I won, Lindsay and I are taking the primary.

[Mary]

That would have been so smart. Missed opportunity.

[Courtney]

Yeah, missed opportunity. Amanda. She said I shot Kyle in the dick. Come on. I mean, I'll watch it on tv, but the fact of having to be around this would drive me nuts. Like, I think I would snap and just be like, you guys hate each other. Stop it. Knock it off. I'm sick of you guys. You have a fissure in your ass. Kyle, go take an Epsom salt bath. I don't care. Amanda, you know what? You're annoying.

[Mary]

I think that's kind of what Owen

[Courtney]

did at the table so nicely.

[Mary]

I think he was able to keep it together in a composed way.

[Courtney]

See, now I'm like kind of liking Owen. I again didn't like him calling her a last week Owen to Lindsay. But I do think he's just this normal guy doing a show because his girlfriend wants him to.

[Mary]

Absolutely. He's definitely a normie.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Before the dinner, Lexi tells Georgina about what happened with her and Whitney. And then Georgina goes to Lindsay and was like. Like, just so you know, everyone's saying, like, you're playing the single mom card. And Lindsay is flabbergasted. Her mouth is on the floor. She is like, you got to be kidding. Who's saying that? I will have a talking with them.

[Courtney]

We're starting and I'm like, the ros has to be flowing at this point.

[Mary]

Kyle's wasted at the dinner.

[Courtney]

Well, he's in the bathtub. The heat. It's kind of like a sauna, you know, a steam room. And he's got lover boy right next to him as he's watching things on him, his phone.

[Mary]

I wonder how much Metamucil his dad was taking. Cuz Kyle decided to take four times the amount to get the best poo of his life. His dad failed to mention he should have taken stol softener with this. And I just would like to know how much the dad's taking.

[Courtney]

The probably correct amount.

[Mary]

That is probably true.

[Courtney]

Yeah. I just think Kyle, he's an extremist.

[Mary]

He really is. Yeah.

[Courtney]

Anyways, poor Kyle's butt. I will say, like a funny moment. This is why I'm like, they don't want to show us this. But it's like the funny moment of Amanda and Kyle coming out in these robes did make me giggle. Like, I'm like, oh, see? Like, sometimes they can be funny.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

And I do wonder how often they are talking because they met up before this so that Kyle could take her suitcases. Right. They obviously are talking. They're being silly. But then also she's like, I hate, hate this, man. Yeah, I know.

[Mary]

You can feel it.

[Courtney]

Yeah, you can really feel it. Anyways, back to the single moms.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

They're like, oh, sorry, I don't go to Pilates. Sorry. I'm not drinking Matcha. Sorry. I'm just trying to get a closet for my boyfriend. I'm like, oh, God. So I don't think there's any love lost from here.

[Mary]

No.

[Courtney]

That's actually why Lindsay is kind of beefing with Rachel. Lindsay. Because Rachel. Lindsay is very close with Whitney from their time on the Bachelor. That's also part of it, where she's thinking that Rachel is pro Whitney against Lindsay.

[Mary]

Okay. We also didn't even, like, close the loop on this. Lindsay just found out about. Lindsay hasn't even confronted Whitney about this. Yeah.

[Courtney]

Oh, didn't the trailer feel like a lot of people were going to be turning on her for it to only really happen in the end of this episode and next week?

[Mary]

Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah, I guess. It was such a short season. This is only nine episodes.

[Courtney]

Oh, it's too short. I think we need more.

[Mary]

I know, I know.

[Courtney]

So we're having a catered dinner. When they said catered, I assume a chef was coming over, but it was really door dashed from somewhere. I was like, wait, is that how I should be saying to myself? Like, when I'm ordering door dash, I'm like, I'm getting dinner catered tonight. And it's like a salad from down the street. Oh, my dinner. Yeah, it was catered by California's Chicken Cafe.

[Mary]

A chef made me my dinner and brought it to my house.

[Courtney]

We actually had somebody else bring it to my house because he's busy. But yeah, so this is a catered meal.

[Mary]

Kyle's like, everything's cold.

[Courtney]

Then Gavin, the little shitster.

[Mary]

I love him, though. He is like a Jesse Solomon. He's a girl's girl.

[Courtney]

Well, he says basically the same thing that Jesse said at the end of Summer House where he's like, Kyle, big DJ. He's got 14 shows coming up. And this is the same thing when Jesse was like, Kyle. So I heard you're signing with the manager. What's up with that? Very parallel paths, because it kind of ends similar ways.

[Mary]

Right? I know. He got so activated. This. Exactly. It was very reminiscent of that table dinner, which shows you Kyle has learned. Learned nothing in two months. He has psycho blowouts in front of cameras.

[Courtney]

Lindsay being like, oh, here we go again. And Lindsay's, like, wanting to somewhat stay silent on this. Of course, she can't help herself, because as soon as Danielle says something, she's like that. That, like, pointing over to Danielle, but she's like, I'm not getting as involved as I did at the Freedom Dinner. Okay. Hakasan is for Bravo Con. Then he's got these 14 shows. And then I'm thinking at this point, too, is like, amanda, what do you want from this conversation? Because I think that you also want to have a reason to be mad at Kyle. Gavin brings this up, and she's like, oh, I guess you want the twin bed tonight? When she's like, I don't want to make this anybody's problem, but I don't know what either of them want from either of the other, because Amanda wants him to make money, and he deserves to make money. But then she doesn't really want him to DJ because of everything that comes with the dj. Kyle is like, I want you to be motivated and driven and then, like, come out and do these gigs with me and be part of your brand of Amanda Batula. And she, like, doesn't want to do that. And so I'm like, when they're saying she's making all these changes, I'm like, truthfully, what are either of them doing to make changes?

[Mary]

I'd be very curious if they actually sat down and wrote out, this is what I need to see from you. And they could have easily done this with the therapist that they've been working with. The therapist as homework could have been like, okay, there seems like you guys need a lot of different things in your relationship. You need to write down what are your goals as a couple and how you're going to achieve them. And that could have been like, for Amanda, you can go do the DJ thing. That means at the DJ thing, you are not drinking, and that means you are coming home. It's a work event. And if that was truly written out and he keeps on flubbing, then, yeah, walk away. You're not doing your job. I'd be so curious what his criteria was for her.

[Courtney]

So that would require them to go to the therapist, which they stopped doing because that's completely exactly right. What they should be doing. Here's a list, tangible, of things that could change for the two of us. And neither of them want to, because they both know it's over. They both know it's over, and they are prolonging it. And I think we're thinking, okay, let's get through the summer. Okay, let's get through this, and then we'll deal with it in the off season. I just think when they came from this. And I keep saying this every week when he, like, beeline to let us know that they flew together, great. Kyle, great. Okay. But, you guys, it is over. And Owen says that, too. He's like, look, I don't want to talk about the past, but if you guys can't move on from this past, it is done.

[Mary]

Men, right? It's also super interesting to see, like, all the men are defending Kyle, and all the females are defending Amanda. Kenny and Gavin were like, well, Amanda's not putting in the work either. She's not doing anything. And then Danielle's like, well, because Kyle's drunk every day. This is ridiculous. And then Owen's kind of like, the Switzerland. Well, yeah, I guess. Or he just says how it is. You guys are done. Yeah.

[Courtney]

But then Georgia, I. Amanda's doing all of this work, and he's like, work? What is she doing? And I think at the end of the day, it's not 50 50, because whatever. But it's like, neither of them are wanting to do it. And you have to mention the west part of it. I don't care how he was involved in this. At any point, she didn't want to change. Whether it's because she was done or because she was having an emotional affair with someone else or because she was getting attention elsewhere or just saw, like, that she could be treated better somewhere else.

[Mary]

And I think at this dinner, she is kind of in disbelief. She's like, so the one thing that I can get so mad at you about, you signed up to do 14 times. And that's her realization. Like, he's choosing the job and the career over me. And that's where she realizes, like, I have to walk away from this situation. And that's why she gets up. She's having the physical reaction. Lindsay goes after her. She's like, I get no respect from him. It's done.

[Courtney]

And Kyle mentions, too. He says, it may be a little bit nicer than when he was at Apology Dune, but as a married man, like, I should have friendship. I should have companionship. I should have intimacy because Andrea says, you were married. You have to have compromise. Because Gavin's saying, well, coming home at 2:45 is not a big deal. We're in New York. The clubs close at 4am which is like, okay, it's getting worse. But it's like, there is compromise. As you said, if you're gonna be a dj, no drinking, come home right after. And Lindsay and Danielle talk about this. They bring up these cheating allegations that everyone has swept. Swept under the rug. And I am like, go deeper on.

[Mary]

When Lindsay says he has cheated on her so many times, we don't talk about them. I was like, oh, my God, tell me more, tell me more, tell me more.

[Courtney]

Well, and then I was thinking, though, who's the one saying this, though? Does Lindsay have firsthand accounts? Is she hearing it via Amanda and the dms? Has she seen videos? What do they. They know? And why are they covering? Because at the end of the day, Lindsay knows about all of these ways that Kyle has cheated.

[Mary]

Well, at the reunion, Kyle kept saying he never stepped out on the marriage.

[Courtney]

I know. I guess that's what I'm just trying to figure out. Kyle is stepping out so many times, that's a betrayal. Amanda sticking with him after all this time, is that the change that they're talking about or the compromise that Amanda has given is that that Kyle has his indiscretions and she's allowed it every single time?

[Mary]

Yeah, I. I just. I would not be shocked if Kyle is a kissing bandit. We know right now he is, so that wouldn't shock me. But we really don't have any facts about that that we haven't seen any videos.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary]

So we don't really know if that's true. Obviously, there's lots of rumors.

[Courtney]

Yeah, he can get really drunk, black out, not remember. And the fact that he can't rem part of the problem. So then it could be like, did you do something? If you can't answer strongly yes or no.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

And you can say, I don't remember, that's a problem because you should be able to say, God, no, I just got out, got drugged. There's no big deal.

[Mary]

Right. Wait, I wonder what Amanda and Wes did for the fourth of July.

[Courtney]

Oh, are you interested in that? There's, like, all these wacky rumors going

[Mary]

on on that he's cheating on her,

[Courtney]

that he's cheating on her with some single mom in Brooklyn, that he's, like, hooked up with somebody at a wedding, and she said, don't do it again, and made him unfollow her. But then I'm like, are these just, like, hearsay or are they the truth?

[Mary]

People just like to know what they do for the holidays.

[Courtney]

Yeah, yeah. Like, did they go to Montana? Are they in Jersey? Are they in her backyard? Are they doing ear sequence? Stop.

[Mary]

Stop it, Courtney. My vagina just closed.

[Courtney]

Well, next week is the season finale and we obviously get more from the pickup scene that was introduced in the first episode where Amanda suggests a double date between west, her, Sally and Kyle. And that might be the funniest thing she's ever said.

[Mary]

I agree with that.

[Courtney]

I was laughing like. Like, how can Kyle not laugh at that? He has to laugh at that.

[Mary]

Agreed, agreed.

[Courtney]

Like, the ridiculous level that it's reached of everything is like, oh, my God, it's wild.

[Mary]

I love watching it.

[Courtney]

I'm gonna miss them.

[Mary]

I hope the reunion is two parts and it's gonna be good.

[Courtney]

And I know Queens of Bravo mentioned that it was another low ratings week, but guys, we have to watch it. We have to support our parasocial friends. We have have to get this to a season two. I can't say goodbye to them.

[Mary]

There has to be a season two.

[Courtney]

I hope so. Everyone watch this week, okay?

[Mary]

Yes. That's your job.

[Courtney]

We can't have another canceled show here.

[Mary]

No, no, no. There's no way, right?

[Courtney]

I didn't think Miami would be paused.

[Mary]

That's so true.

[Courtney]

I didn't think Ladies of London would be paused. Courtney, I heard Roni's in trouble, which is fine. We don't even need them.

[Mary]

It's.

[Courtney]

I'm just saying. Wow. Okay, I know, I know. Sit with that and I'll see you tomorrow.

[Mary]

Okay, Bye.

[Courtney]

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