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Welcome back to to Judgey, girls. This is Mary from the bay and
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it's Courtney from la and we're talking the final episodes of Ladies of London. What a fantastic first season. For a reboot of a show, they
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have to have a second season, right?
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They will be. I can't imagine that they are not. I mean, you got to talk to Micah yesterday. That was so fun. She was so lovely. What a turn. Mary, from where you came in the beginning of the season to the end.
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I'm obsessed with Maika. She's my girl. I feel like I could invest in mini manors. We could get it into schools. It's going to be an SEL workshop. I'm big into workshops right now.
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Yeah, I was just going to say. Wait, I'm sorry. Was there an investment meeting between you and Micah?
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Yes. While she was in Greece with her husband, we had a quick little meeting.
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You guys offlined about it.
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Yes.
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But this show has just been so good. Every single day, single cast member is contributing and I'm just fascinated by all of them and even Margot. Like she's playing a villain to her own detriment. But I am loving this cast. I don't even want them to introduce Anybody new? I hope everybody comes back. I think we have so much backstory to learn about all of these women still, and Mark, as well as their relationships with each other, their family, et cetera. There's so much going on that these episodes were not enough for me.
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And the way that they came around, like, such a big point this season was the Kimmy Missy fight. And to see Missy go to her brother's grave and for Kimmy to show up, I was truly shocked when Kimmy walked up. I was like, what? And them to be able to banter and laugh and cry together at the grave, I thought that was a very powerful moment. And it just shows people, if you can forgive and move on, it works so much better than in the Valley, where there's no resolution. For these two women in particular to come back together at the end of the show was heartwarming. I just was like, I love this.
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Yeah, I agree. And I like, too, that Missy was like, I thought you were the perfect person to come with me because I knew you would make me laugh and you make me feel, like, lighter about it. Kimmy's very self aware. Like, she. She understands exactly who she is. And I think she's gone through a lot of darkness in her life that she probably does use humor and deflects and can be surface because it's just easier that way for her, but also is willing to contribute the time and energy into friendships that are important to her. And for this, I think outside of Margo making it a big deal, truly, Margo's the straw that stirs the drink is like, they were able, like you just said, to find resolution and to really be friends with each other and say, I understand you and I understand where coming from. And I mean, I love when she's like, oh, God, I totally would have flirted with him.
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She.
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She brought humor to this situation. And then also, I feel like, showed her, like, it's so important to be resilient, and you have to, like, come back from these really hard moments and just the importance of being, like, a loyal friend. I am obsessed with this friendship, and I think they can have a lot of fun next season. I definitely think there will be a season two. Courtney, we have to talk about last week, about Margo's panic attack, because, you guys, she did this People magazine article about the panic attack.
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Can you tell us a little bit more about it, please?
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Yeah, so I. She had a. That was. That was crazy to me last week. Like, she could not control her emotions. She could not reel. It Back in. She just, like, kept crying and crying her.
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Because she even was saying, like, I don't know what's happening to me right now. She can't get it together. And then as soon as she thinks she gets it together, together, she breaks down again. And she can't control herself because she has no idea what's even going on from this.
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Right.
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And essentially, she gets her hormones checked and has, like, no testosterone. And then, like, kind of realizes she has postpartum depression. She had dysphoric milk ejection reflex, which I've actually heard of. This a physiological condition where lactating individuals experience sudden negative emot. Immediately before a milk letdown.
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What is a milk letdown? Like, milk doesn't come out when it's
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about to come out. Like, you.
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You.
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The letdown is, like, it's gonna come.
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The ejection of I.
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That thing is real. I would say just. I hated it so much. Brought anger, as I would say. But I think that's, like, what this is.
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And they were trying to tell her that, too. Right. So she was in the van because your choice was either to go see how cheddar cheese was made, or you could. These caves,
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when you say that outline. Well, you could either see these caves or see how cheddar's made. I don't know.
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Something funny. What would you choose?
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Probably cheddar. I always want to be involved with food.
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I love cheese.
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Yeah.
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I was like, oprah. I love bread. I'm. I love cheese. I don't want to go into the caves. No, we've got to. We've got to split Mark and Margo up. But Margot, I was like, is there altitude here, too? I was wondering. They were up in, like, the mountains. And I was like, maybe it's also feeling like there's, like, less oxygen. I will say, though, the backdrop of her after she has the panic attack in the van, and then she. They're like, okay, like, let's get you outside. Let's get you air. You're okay. But then she starts breaking down again, and she sits on this bench with Wallace and Gromit. I know against the backdrop of the cave and Lottie and Missy kind of just being like, okay. Because Mar has become. Lottie's eating chicken salad. She's so done with her because she's like, I'm pregnant. I can't drink. Margot has been having a breakdown. She's making it awkward for everyone because she's also starting with Mark. And it's like, everyone gets the humor, but You, Margot and American can't handle it. Her name starts with an M and ends with Argo.
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She just, like, couldn't let anything go. It was really tough at the end. And my guess is that she won't come back next season.
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Oh, come on. She'll be back next season. Unless Bravo doesn't ask her back. But there's no way she doesn't say yes. She already set it up for us here at the end when she told the boys, I'm gonna have to come back here for work. You think Margot does Wouldn't come back?
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You know, I have a really big problem with people not actually living where they're from.
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And you got to get over it.
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That is going to annoy me a lot. I don't want her to come back because she doesn't live in London. That bothers me.
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Why do you like Meredith Mark so much?
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Courtney, she's international. She's a woman about the world. She has that.
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Margo technically is international too. She's LA and London.
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Courtney is different. I'm personally friends with Seth.
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Personally friends with Seth. I can't. I can't. So you're letting your parasocial relationship cloud your judgment is what I'm hearing.
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Always.
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You know, admitting it is the first step. And I think that's big of you. So we do. We're hypocrites.
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Yeah. Completely.
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Yeah. I think she needs to come back. I hope there's resolution. If you haven't listened to our Micah interview, please go back and listen to. It was really fun, but she's like, I don't know where Mark and Margo go from here. And I do wonder if the group would be like, you gotta either really apologize to Mark to move forward. The only way for her to move forward with the group is that she has to eat a little humble pie.
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You think this article on people is. I figured out why I was acting this way last summer. I was dealing with hormone imbalance. Like, she has set this up with a publicist on her opening of Acting Despicable because seeing Mark Francis cry at Michael Micah's event, which Micah looked like the fucking ringleader in Joshua Kane. I went to Joshua Kane's website because I was like, curious at the price points. And honestly, some of the pieces are about $3,000. That was affordable for this kind of talent. I love his looks. Like that fashion show it. I would love to wear something by him. Like, he is very cool. Lottie and him are the chicest people in the room. You want to talk Them. You want to know more about them? It sounds like he's been a great father to their new baby.
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So when Micah first entered the scene with her jacket, I was like, I wonder if that's a Joshua Kane. I went immediately there. And then when they flash back, I was like, sometimes when I get things right, I'm like, I'm a historian. I need my PhD because I am fluent in Bravo. But I wanted to go back with Margo because of how she can move forward, because I think you're right. Like, so when Mark was having that full breakdown, too, like, that was.
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She had a panic attack.
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That was an ugly cry.
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I just felt so bad for him. He's like, I spent my entire life protecting myself, and I have felt so much shame for so long. I was suicidal. I mean, I couldn't accept who I was, and now I've chosen to. And now you're calling me, like, a weird and a freak. That is so disheartening. I just. It was so sad. And Missy was the perfect person in that moment. You are so loved. You're a beautiful human. Like, she is a bitch. And I'm so glad he, like, was able to bring it back together and, like, not give her that moment, Margot, that he was able to turn it back on the Britain hymn and go and celebrate Micah's moment.
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I agree. I also wanted to just say from Micah's, too, is, like, that we got to meet Marco here. And I swear, like, just watching him, he was so proud of her. The smile he had on his face was just that of the supportive husband. He was out of the phone in the etiquette. And I just. I loved this moment because in the beginning, I was worried about Micah and her friendships with everybody. And she gets along seamlessly with everyone. They love her. I would actually love to know Micah and Margot where they ended up, too, because Micah's so nice that I think she really tries to make everybody her friend, the connector of the group.
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Like, helping her with the text message, crafting it.
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But I also wonder if Margot is mad that Micah's the popular American with this group that she's annoyed of. Like, how did Micah fit in so easily with this group? Because they're at Longley. They're sitting there. Mind you, all the tourists are around them, too, because it's open to the public. And Margot is starting to do something with Mark. And I didn't realize, actually, how close Emma and Mark were. I did not realize he was the godfather of Emma's son. And so, like, they Are like, tight, tight, tight, tight, tight. And I was like, mark is not going to let her do anything to tarnish the reputation of Emma, of Longley. So he gets up and he leaves, and he cannot get out of this maze. It is the first time that this maze has worked to get himself stuck. He's like, I am not putting myself in this situation. I am not doing this. Because Margo just can't. She can't understand. She doesn't want to be the butt of the joke. And it's like, you're not the butt of the joke if you can banter back.
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She just does not get it. And even she doubled down sitting with Mark this week, which was absolutely crazy. She had a moment where she could have changed the trajectory of the rest of the season, and she chose not to.
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Right. I thought the text that she crafted to. Compared to what she wanted to say, look. Yeah. So, like, that could be taken a different way. That's not how I mean it. She's like, exactly. So don't do that. But Mark was like, okay, I'll have this sit down with you. And Margo starts off, I. I thought there could be resolution. Like, I'm here to take responsibility. And then she's like, oh, hold on.
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No, she totally flipped. She's like, you. You touched me. You were flirtatious. You literally said he was a freak. And he's thinking he's a freak because of his sexuality and has felt so ashamed of his sexuality and felt like he couldn't share that with the world. And his parents still to this day, won't meet his partner. Like, the guy has been through it.
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You think he's flirting with you because he's in love with you? Margo, That's a wild thing to jump, like, jump into conclusions there. Like, he's laughing because he's like, you are delusional. This is hilarious. We are done here. You think I'm flirting with you? He's trying to be vulnerable and show his side of, like, why he reacted the way. And then you are like, oh, he's gonna get out of this with vulnerability. I'm not letting this happen. After he walks away, she's like, I guess I'll pay for these. I'm like, is this not just tonic water you guys are drinking? What is it, £4? Yeah.
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But then her confessional, she's like, I think he wants to me. Maybe he is having conflicting emotions because he is sexually attracted to me. I was like, girl, that what?
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Like, she's probably gonna be like, that's American humor. And I'm like, so as an American, I don't get it. I don't get it. What if she wants to admit she's the villain here? Then, okay, lean into the villain. But it's very much like me, me, me, me, me. Like why I will say too, because Margo's body is absolutely insane. It is. I mean, wowza. Okay. But she does have a way of dressing herself. She looks amazing. But then it'll be like she's gonna wear a crop top that's gonna show the under boob. That might not be appropriate for her. Or she's wearing the see through skirt of a Lia, but it's at Longley where it's not appropriate. She's wearing these like outfits that are just not necessarily in the of how she should be wearing them. But she looks so good in them. Do you know what I'm saying?
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She's not dressing for the right occasion.
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Yeah, that's what it is. She comes to the Joshua Cain show and she has to sit down with Martha because she won't return Martha's text. She's not returning the calls because she has left Longley after that panic attack, but kind of wants to play victim in it as opposed to being like, I had a panic attack, I need to leave. And I think a lot of the girls would have been understanding, one, because they didn't want to deal with it anymore. But two, yeah, you were having a breakdown and that has to be hard. Please leave. Just let us know you're okay.
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It's a very Kelly Ben Simone moment.
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Oh, she's being systematic. Bullied.
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No, that she had to leave island. She had to leave.
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Yeah, but they at least knew that. Yes, but when she sits down with Martha to talk about it, she just immediately expects that Martha will be on her side. Let's take a break and then let's come back with their sit down.
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I was so proud of Martha in this moment because she wasn't gonna let Margo just, like, win this situation. Martha was like, you are not acting like yourself. You are not the person I knew 20 years ago, and I can't align with you right now. What you did to Mark is wrong, is unacceptable, and I can't stand and be on your team.
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Mm. And she needs that tough love. Like, Margo had no problem at the storage unit to give the tough love to Martha. So she really should. She should have been receptive to this.
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You are ungracious and arrogant. Margo's mouth is, like, wide open. She is shocked. Martha is saying this on camera. She's like, you have no idea what happened to me yesterday. Mark and I sat down and he isn't taking an ounce of responsibility. And Martha's like, this is literally insane. We're fighting about clothes. You are so upset because he made fun of your clothes. This is literally insane.
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Well, and then she turns it around on Martha and she's like, actually, Mark wouldn't even have started that if you didn't start talking poorly about my clothes. And it's like, you're right. We're literally fighting about crushed velvet. Like, get over it. Get over it. That's why I'm like, she's been looking for approval from this group. Like, I think she came into this group very insecure as well. I'm Martha's friend, but Martha's friends with all these friends. So it's like, is my best friend also I'm her best friend or she my best friend. But then, like, Kimmy's her best friend or, like, who is it? So she wants to be the number one friend. She has this insecurity. She doesn't have the crutch of drinking, which was a lot of Martha and her relationship for 20 years. And I think she just felt like, okay, well, the way that I can show I'm in with them is that I also have money.
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Great, great.
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But the difference is, is that she talks about it more. She's a little uncouth. And instead of leaning into that, she's. She's trying to be someone she's not.
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I think she might have been in LA for too long, Courtney. Not your la, obviously. Different la. A different la.
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I also think we're a little different tax brackets, and I think there's a few brackets in between her and the one you get to me.
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Did you watch any of Mark Francis on Watch what Happens Live?
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I saw one clip where he said that he thought Margot said something like, this will be a great scene for tv.
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He is so good on Watch what Happens Live. He's just, like, quick, and he had a comeback for everything. And he said so much, but so little.
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Like, did Andy like him?
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah. Okay, well, because I wonder sometimes people will have a great Watch what Happens Live, but it's not what Andy wants from them.
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Oh, he gave everything. He. He was brutal.
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So no love lost between the two of them.
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I'm assuming they're definitely in a bad spot still. At the end of the day, we're just fighting about crushed blue velvet and a fake Cruella Deville pigeon coat.
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Pigeon. I'm kind of sad that there's no reunion again. It's. I do feel bad for Margo, though, because she would definitely be getting the brunt of it because I'm not sure what else. Like you said, we came full circle with Missy and Kimmy, so rehashing that wouldn't make sense. I would love more of an update from all of them. I love seeing these scenes of, like, Martha riding on her horse. She's back on the horse, literally and figuratively. Seeing where they are that. I'm like, God, the cast is so good.
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But that's why I don't think they need Margot. And they could add in someone that actually lives there. It feels like they have a great inner circle of friends. Maybe we see a little bit more. I would love to see some dates, like, with Kimmy next year and Martha. One of my questions I wanted to ask Maiko was, like, who she would hook up Martha with, but we didn't have time. I don't think we need Margo.
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I understand that, but I also think that she did bring something. If she comes back and can. Can be accountable for her actions. Otherwise, it's going to be really hard for her to forge a path forward with this cast because people aren't going to want to film with her because it's going to feel exhausting for them for her to, like, plead her case over and over. And they're like, we don't care. We have moved on. I do want to see more of that rainbow house, though. I think if she returns for another season, she'll be renting something different.
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Exactly.
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But so does Meredith Marks.
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It's different. I'm friends with Seth, Courtney Khan. It's completely different. We can't compare the Marxes with Margot. She doesn't have a caviar line. She isn't a dj. She isn't in the gym hoping she's gonna win March Madness. Yes. Come on. My personal friends. And you know, I know John Barlow, too.
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Oh, my God. We got to get you to Salt Lake City, girl. We got to get you to that Vita Lounge. Do you think on this season of Salt Lake City, there will be a moment where we go to Vita Lounge and Meredith is the DJ there? Feels like the synergy's there.
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I. I'm hoping that Lisa Barlow becomes a Leva, becomes a Vanderpump. Jack is going to be behind the bar. That's my dream for them, that spinoff. And I think we're onto something there. Think about it. We know nothing about the new season. The only thing we know is that they came to San Francisco. That's all we know. And that Bronwyn's new guy is going to be in San Francisco. I particularly Got a lot of tiktoks from them being in San Francisco just because I live here, I think. Right. But we've heard no other rumors.
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I'm so smart about that. I know is the best at keeping things under wraps. Did I see a few of Whitney Rose's, like, crypto cryptic threads and tweets? Yeah. And did we see, like, Mary and Angie unfollowing each other and then re following each other? Yeah. But for the most part, they keep it under wraps, and that is the
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way to go completely.
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Other franchises take notes. And Ladies of London. Thank you. What a refreshing first season when it was airing and it was obviously traders first, because I had to. You can't have a competition show so popular and not watch it immediately. Then it was Ladies of London. Then it was Beverly Hills. It was a joy to turn on Ladies of London that I was like, do I want it first or do I want it last?
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Also, I'm kind of obsessed with Lottie now. I was looking at her at that fashion show. I'm like, you are stunning. I just think she is a flawless beauty. I know she wears makeup in her confessionals and stuff, but I would, like, love to see her without makeup. I bet she doesn't even need an ounce. I'm kind of obsessed with her and even, like, her name, Lottie. If I had a girl. Lottie. That's so cute.
D
Her and Joshua feel like Tim Burton characters in human form. And. And when they even were like, oh, you're having a baby in October. Like, oh, a Halloween baby, I was like, they are. They are real life Tim Burton characters. I love them. And I was also thinking, too, it's like she was pregnant this whole season, like, in the mix differently next season. I'm telling you, all of these women, I have so many more questions about, like, I want so much more, Kimmy. I want so much more. All of them. Whoever did the casting for this did a fantastic job. I think next season we need to be going to Tuscany to go to Mark's house.
C
Ooh. I feel like we just got, like, an appetizer. This was only 10 episodes. There's so much more to learn. I think there's some cast trips. I love the idea of going to Italy. There's more to come.
D
And I'm sorry. I do think that Margot needs to come back if she can be accountable. What if Dara comes back?
C
Dear is not coming back.
D
But what if she wants to print emote her madam business?
C
That was kind of interesting in the Micah interview, how Micah was like, you know, I just like don't go out late at night. So I don't know how that rumor got started. I was like, rumor?
D
Is it the rumors and the nastiness and that's how we bring it back?
C
I think with that we can go.
E
Bye.
B
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We're lost.
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It feels like we're going round in circles.
E
I'm gonna ask that man for directions.
C
Hi there.
E
We're trying to get to the state fairgrounds.
B
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E
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Episode: TJG: Ladies of London S1 E9 + E10!
Date: May 1, 2026
Hosts: Courtney (LA) & Mary (Bay Area)
In this lively discussion, Courtney and Mary break down episodes 9 and 10—the season finale—of the rebooted "Ladies of London." They reflect on the cast's dynamic, the season’s biggest emotional moments, and speculate on what a second season might have in store. The conversation is full of personal opinions, behind-the-scenes tidbits (including a mini-interview update with Micah), and enthusiastic debate about friendships, drama, and fashion.
True to their "judgey" brand, the hosts balance humor, genuine emotion, and fandom, switching seamlessly between sharp analysis and playful banter. They’re unafraid to call out cast members (and sometimes themselves) for hypocritical fandom, and their chemistry ensures the discussion is always engaging.
Summary prepared for Two Judgey Girls, May 2026, covering Ladies of London S1 E9 + E10.