TJG: Next Gen NYC S2 E2!

Summary

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Two Judgey Girls: Next Gen NYC S2 E2!

Release Date: July 3, 2026
Hosts: Courtney (LA) & Mary (Bay Area)

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Courtney and Mary recap episode 2 of Real Housewives: Next Gen NYC, affectionately referred to as “Bad Influencer.” The conversation dives into both the onscreen drama—friendships, feuds, influencer culture, and the realities of young-adult life in Manhattan—and offscreen Bravo-adjacent gossip, with a hefty dose of pop culture sleuthing, especially around Taylor Swift’s rumored mega-wedding. Throughout, the hosts bring their signature mix of snark, nostalgia, and warmth, making this recap a fun listen for Bravo diehards and pop culture junkies alike.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Taylor Swift Wedding Watch: Predictions, Drama, and Easter Eggs (05:13–18:09)

• Obsessive speculation about Taylor Swift’s secretive Fourth of July weekend wedding extravaganza: location, guest list, themes, and possible performances.
• Major talking points:
  • Rumors of pre-wedding ceremonies, a massive reception at MSG, and elaborate misdirection for the paparazzi.
  • Debates over whether there would be a traditional ceremony or just an epic party.
  • Playful bets on roles: officiant (Ed Sheeran? Jack Antonoff?), best man, maid of honor (Abigail, Jason Kelce?).
  • Possible performances by Swift herself and celebrity musical guests.
  • Predicted color schemes—classic vs. sunset hues—and themed drinks/nods to Swift’s cats.
  • Discussion of famous guests, security measures, and the MET gala-level guest list.
• Memorable quote:
  • Mary: “Imagine you get this call to be the event planner, and it’s like, yeah, what’s the event? … It’s Taylor Swift’s wedding. I’d be like, so I just shit my pants. Clean up on aisle four.” (09:03)
  • Courtney (about Mary’s devotion): “I come back to the text chat, and I was like, oh my God, Mary, you are so defensive.” (12:31)
• Pop culture connections: Comparing Swift’s party to Elizabeth Taylor and her era-defining social events.
• Timing: Hosts promise to revisit their “wedding predictions” in the Monday episode.

2. Personal Commentary & Shopping Nostalgia (21:54–23:50)

• Urban Outfitters & Gap memories:
  • Both hosts reminisce about the thrill and pain of shopping as teens/young adults: “Urban Outfitters was kind of expensive, so I could only shop the sale section. Things never even fit that great there. I don’t know how they’re still in business, to be honest.” (Mary, 22:21)
• Bringing back malls:
  • “There is something very nice when you have to go to the mall and everything is in one place. And you can try on the clothes because I'm so sick of returning.” (Mary, 23:39)

3. Episode Recap: “Bad Influencer” – Drama Breakdown

Ava vs. Gia, Social Media Petty Wars (24:52–27:28)

• Ongoing rivalry over social media follows/unfollows, with Gia (Teresa Giudice’s daughter) getting emotional about being called a liar by Ava.
• Hilarious speculation over who manages Teresa’s Instagram (“Why do I feel like Melania runs it?” – Mary, 25:14), and whether the unfollow was intentional or automated.
• Discussion of AI fakes and how hard it is to distinguish real posts now.

Hudson & Ariana’s Relationship Turmoil (27:45–29:21)

• Breakup after ten years on and off:
  • Ariana voices exhaustion from “trying to help” Hudson through a depressive funk.
  • “I think it was like, I’ve tried to help you, I’ve also asked you to get help and if you can’t help yourself I can’t watch you in this state anymore. I have to choose me, which Brielle says she never does.” (Courtney, 28:51)
• Hosts touch on money not equaling happiness: “Even five-thousand-dollar pants won’t make you happy.” (Mary, 29:14)

Club Club: Shady Business, Shadier Friends (31:21–32:06)

• Charlie and Omar pitch Hudson for a $1 million investment in a club concept—lacking receipts and stealing ideas (“concepts of a plan”).
• “Nothing’s ever going to go through with Charlie and Omar and club club.” (Mary, 32:06)

Charlie: Villain, Victim, or Both? (33:34–34:16)

• Universally shunned at events, labeled with “dark energy,” but also clearly desperate for love/validation.
• “Charlie’s a monster, has dark energy, but at the end of the day, he’s just a boy who wants his dad to love him.” (Courtney, 33:45)
• Heartfelt moment: “He does have a heart. Like, deep, deep down, I think he is a good person, but he hangs out with the wrong people and gets sucked into bad groups and he makes poor choices.” (Mary, 33:56)

Liam & Brooks: The Good Guys (34:28–36:34)

• Liam shines as “jack of all trades” and the kind of guy you’d call at 3am—his reliability and warmth highlighted.
• Brooks’s monotone mark: “If we were to do that trend with Brooks… it would be the same thing every time.” (Courtney, 36:15)
• Mary acknowledges she has a crush on Liam (36:43).

Georgia & Prez: Hygiene Antics and New Relationships (39:20–41:20)

• Georgia’s new boyfriend is “crypto adjacent,” hosts riff on his questionable hygiene and potential for a cleaning product line.
• Georgia’s NYC roots, her love of “the grit,” and the idea of her inventing a “Shamwow skirt” (40:28).

Rowan Shields (Brooke Shields’ daughter) & New Faces (42:11–43:39)

• Rowan makes her debut; hosts impressed by her star power and grounded attitude.

Riley & Amira: Ambitions and Friendships (43:49–46:21)

• Riley’s confusing timeline (is she in grad school or law school?) and desire to be a “corporate baddie.”
• Amira’s work ethic and independence (“Someone that is paying $16,000 a month for rent is a boss bitch 100%.” – Mary, 45:39)
• Amira’s empathy for Charlie’s troubled side.

Ariana’s Potential “Hoe Phase” (46:21–47:15)

• Courtney lobbies for Ariana to enjoy singledom: “There’s nothing better than when you’ve had a hoe phase.”

The Charlie Problem: Redemption or Ruin? (47:15–50:01)

• Parents warn their kids to steer clear amid “kidnapping” rumors.
• Charlie’s ongoing charm: “He’s a prick. But he has a heart.” (Courtney, 49:09)
• Amusing confusion over “Hook”—is it a nickname or just a last name? “The mystique is gone for me.” (Courtney, 49:37).

Gen Alpha Slang & Reddit Deep Dives (50:53–52:37)

• The hosts educate themselves on Gen Z/Alpha terms (“Riz,” “Skibidi,” “Ohio”) via Reddit.
• “I can say I will not be using these words.” (Mary, 52:33)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Wedding Event Planning Anxiety:
  “Imagine you get this call to be the event planner…and it’s Taylor Swift’s wedding. I’d be like, so I just shit my pants. Clean up on aisle four.” — Mary, 09:03

• On Taylor’s Vows:
  “Taylor? Definitely could [write her own vows]. I do worry from Travis's side…she knows Aristotle, and I do think those are strong representations of the two of them.” — Courtney, 10:48

• Mary Defending Taylor Swift:
  “Let her enjoy her wedding weekend, okay? She’s giving us so much joy, literally.” — Mary, 12:46

• On Club Club as a Business Pitch:
  “It’s concepts of a plan.” — Courtney, 31:40

• On Charlie:
  “He’s just a boy who wants his dad to love him.” — Courtney, 33:45
  “Deep, deep down, I think he is a good person, but he hangs out with the wrong people and makes poor choices.” — Mary, 33:56

• Mary’s Liam Crush Confession:
  “She’s got a crush, you guys.” — Courtney, 36:44

• On Hygiene Branding:
  “I feel like she’s gonna invent some type of skirt where you can just wipe your hands on it. Like a shamwow skirt.” — Courtney, 40:28

• Gen Alpha Slang Woes:
  “I’ve never felt so old right now.” — Courtney, 52:33
  “I can say I will not be using these words.” — Mary, 52:33

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Taylor Swift Wedding Deep Dive: 05:13–18:09
• Instagram Follows/Unfollows Drama: 24:52–27:28
• Ariana & Hudson’s Relationship Discussion: 27:45–29:21
• Club Club Shadiness: 31:21–32:06
• Defending/Diagnosing Charlie: 33:34–34:16, 47:53–50:01
• Liam & Brooks Praise: 34:28–36:34
• Georgia Hygienic Humor: 39:20–41:20
• Meeting Rowan Shields: 42:11–43:39
• Amira’s Perspective: 45:01–46:21
• Gen Alpha Slang Research: 50:53–52:37

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Closing Thoughts

• Courtney: “I hope everybody has a fantastic July 4th. I hope whatever you do, you are safe and happy and merry. I hope you have the best weekend ever.” (52:51)
• Mary: “Same with you. And I'll talk to you Monday about that Taylor wedding. We're on Taylor Watch.” (53:00–53:06)

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Overall, this episode is a blend of Bravo tea, influencer chaos, and pop-culture “judgeyness”—anchored by the hosts’ obvious love of reality TV, inside jokes, and genuine rapport.

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it's Courtney from la. And it's finally Friday to a holiday weekend. I know.

[A]

I wonder if more people have off today or Monday. I think companies should give both days off.

[E]

I think they should get the whole month.

[A]

I think next week is a dead week.

[E]

I think this has been a pretty dead week for, you know, now that we work for ourselves. What's a holiday?

[A]

There are no holidays.

[E]

But if you have the week off or the days off. Are you getting today off? Are you getting Monday off? I hope you guys all get them both. I hope you have the whole week off. I hope you have summer Fridays.

[A]

Oh, Summer Friday is the best. I never had.

[E]

Never had that. Yeah. It's like neither of us have ever had summer Fridays either.

[A]

Actually, I always had summer Fridays.

[E]

They didn't work. That's true. You had a summer Friday, a summer Monday, summer Tuesday. God.

[A]

The best part about being a teacher is the summer. That's the perk of the job.

[E]

Your namesake Mary, your namesake is Summer Mary.

[A]

10 weeks off. It's pure bliss. No responsibilities.

[E]

I'll never have it again.

[A]

I won't

[E]

anyways. It's Next Gen Friday and yesterday as I was watching Next Gen, I thought to myself, now that I've finished it, I'm on Taylor watch. Okay. You got me excited for it. I didn't know if I was like really that excited. And then we started talking in our group chat and I was getting involved.

[A]

It is fun. Okay. Yesterday was the rehearsal dinner. We saw Lena Dunham had showed up. I am hearing that Jack was also there. You know their exes.

[E]

I've been listening to that book. It's quite crazy. I'm wondering that Taylor was a bridesmaid in Lena's wedding.

[A]

Okay. Selena Gomez put up this story with

[E]

like rare beauty, never not selling.

[A]

We saw her PR person.

[E]

What's tree pain?

[A]

That's the silliest name.

[E]

She can't help with her parents name.

[A]

But I feel like you are invested now and I have some questions for both of us. It's kind of predictions almost like a bet. Let's see what we come up with and then on Monday we can check if we're right because it's a big deal, you guys. I also think that she chose fourth of July weekend because a lot of people were going to be maybe with their families and she said no thank

[E]

you, you're going to be at my party.

[A]

No. But had probably planned to not be doing work at this time. So it made sense for her to get all these major celebrities. So July 3rd today is the actual wedding. Which also people are saying that they got married before in a private ceremony. I'm hearing this 6626 number. There was fireworks at her house in Rhode. Unclear about that. But today is the thousand person reception in some capacity. Also Elizabeth Taylor had a major party at msg. So people are wondering if this is a part of it for me. I'm like it's just a security purposes. Elizabeth Taylor, that was our Easter egg.

[E]

Yeah, you saw eggs yesterday. There was a huge one there.

[A]

I'm also hearing the castle is maybe not a part of the wedding at all. Maybe to throw people off.

[E]

Tell me about this castle.

[A]

Well, there was seen like pieces of a castle were being brought into msg.

[B]

Long live.

[E]

Is she gonna have an ERAS show at MSG for these people? For the thousand people. She's like, did you miss the tour I got you for the next three and a half hours? You did say it was a 12 hour day, right?

[A]

I do think she will perform one song. What do you think?

[E]

I've already told you my Stevie Nicks theory. I think absolutely she'll Be performing, but. Oh, I can't believe I got brought up on stage. Here's it. It's fully rehearsed.

[A]

Okay. So do you think today at the thousand person wedding, they will have an actual ceremony?

[E]

I don't think so.

[A]

Okay. You think it's just a party?

[E]

I think it's going to be more of a party. I also wonder too, if the rehearsal dinner, if something was rehearsed in real time. I like the ide idea that they're already married. And now the rehearsal dinner was more intimate with their, like, closest hundred people. And then today is everyone they've ever met.

[A]

Right. It's the big party.

[E]

Do you think there's a ceremony?

[A]

I do think there is a ceremony today.

[E]

I'll go down the list of questions with you as if there would be one.

[A]

So if there is a ceremony, who would officiate?

[E]

I feel like they would have Jason or one of Travis's friends. Maybe that guy Ross.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

So I'm kind of thinking Ed Sheeran.

[E]

Oh, yes. I like that you've given a lot of thought to this. Like, I'm excited to hear your answers.

[A]

So either Ed Sheeran or Jack officiates.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

If Ed Sheeran doesn't officiate, he is definitely going to be doing a song. It's kind of wild to think, you know, like, people get bands or DJs, but they're going to have the real artists.

[E]

Totally.

[A]

It's, like, really wild because I think it is going to turn out very classy. I think is going to be a timeless wedding.

[E]

I really do.

[A]

I don't think it's going to be as tacky and cheesy as people imagine.

[E]

I don't know. Can I be honest? I saw the flowers. There was a sneak peek that the orange posted. Yes. And it didn't look anything spectacular to me. You know, at the end of the day, she is just a girl. Mm. Imagine you get this call to be the event planner, and it's like, yeah, what's the event? And they're like, it's Taylor Swift's wedding. I'd be like, so I just shit my pants. Clean up on aisle four. What do you mean our company is going to put this on? Like, the pressure?

[A]

There's a lot of pressure.

[E]

Okay, let's keep going with your questions.

[A]

Okay. Who's the best man in maid of honor?

[E]

Well, depending on who officiates, I think Jason would be the best man. Or that other man would be the. The maid of honor to me, I would think would be Abigail.

[A]

I am thinking Jason and Abigail are both the maid of honor and best man.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

Will they have flower girls?

[E]

You tell me.

[A]

I think it will be Jason's kids. Okay. Will they write their own vows?

[E]

Taylor? Definitely could. I do worry from Travis's side where. Because, you know, he knows ball, she knows Aristotle, and I do think that those are strong representations of the two of them. I think he's actually very complimentary towards her, but I just feel like she would give some, like, prose. Like, she'd write it in iambic pentameter, like, Shakespeare style, and he would be like, I wrote a haiku. I asked chat.

[A]

Okay. We have to remember that she would probably be reading through them before and probably maybe helping him a bit.

[E]

You think she would know what his vows are? I do. I do.

[A]

Because maybe they had that private ceremony and he did the vows himself, and then for this public ceremony, she tweaks them because I would think her personality. She would want to write her own vows because she's a poet.

[E]

I mean, she's been writing her own vows for years. In song.

[A]

Exactly. Exactly. What is their first dance song? Ooh,

[E]

that's a good one. Do you have one? Is it Love Story by her?

[A]

Well, that's the thing, too. Are they going to play her music? You know, like, Shake It Off. That gets everyone going.

[E]

It's fun.

[A]

Like, they could end the night with Shake It Off. It's. It's a. It's a blast. Everyone loves that song, you guys.

[E]

I wish Mary could go to this wedding so badly. The passion she has for this wedding. Mary, it's almost was like, Mary's allowed to talk poorly, you know, about her hair because the bangs and the color really bother her. But one of our friends said something, you know, not so nice yesterday, and the way that Mary went off on

[A]

her, I was like.

[E]

I come back to the text chat, and I was like, oh, my God, Mary, you are so defensive.

[A]

I was like, sorry. She donated $26 million.

[E]

Back off, my girl Tay Tay.

[A]

Let her enjoy her wedding weekend, okay? She's giving us so much joy, literally.

[E]

The defense was wild. I don't think that friend responded for a bit.

[A]

I just. I want her to enjoy this moment, okay?

[E]

I mean, she's been writing about it for years. I hope she does, too. I don't know if you've ever shown passion like this in Bravo.

[A]

Okay. I do think because we heard about Stevie Nicks, I feel like Stevie Nicks, that will be her dad. And her first dance song, like Landslide.

[E]

I hope not. It's not going to be Daughters by John Mayer.

[A]

Definitely not. Yeah.

[E]

I also could see them doing something for their first dance, Travis and Taylor. Something very, like, At Last, like, Can't Help Falling in Love. A classic song that's kind of cheesy.

[A]

So I was thinking that too, or like a Frank Sinatra. But I mean, honestly, they can have the real artist perform something. So who else is gonna be there?

[E]

Yeah, I mean, some of those people are dead.

[A]

No, I know, that's what I'm saying. They can get the people that are alive.

[E]

You're so right. Like, instead of like a dj, the people just keep coming up to perform their songs.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

Like, she has just a full Coachella set, but just singles.

[A]

Yeah, it's like, honestly, crazy, Crazy, crazy, crazy. Okay, what do you think are gonna be like, the colors, the theme? Are her ca involved?

[E]

Oh, the cats are probably going to be on like the napkins or something. Or there's going to be like a drink dedicated towards them or something like that.

[A]

I think that is very clever. I don't see the cats actually there. I think one of the cats names is Meredith Gray.

[E]

The cats are invited guests. I put so much thought.

[A]

I know it's really sad.

[E]

The colors. Those flowers are an indication. I could see her doing kind of like a sunsetty.

[A]

Pinks, oranges, yellows, brights. I was thinking it was going to be really classic, like red roses, blacks and whites, very timeless. But maybe I'm wrong.

[E]

Okay, we have no idea. There's no right answers right now because we don't know.

[A]

Well, when will the photos come out?

[E]

Mary, I would rather you just answer these questions because I know you've given thoughts. So I'm obsessed with this right now. You tell me your thoughts.

[A]

Well, I'm really hoping we get something by Sunday or Monday. A photo of some sort. Because, I mean, come on, she shut down New York City, for God's sakes. We deserve that.

[E]

Give us something. We're here in LA and sf.

[A]

Yeah. I predict four outfit changes.

[E]

That's a good number. I was gonna say three, so I like four, though.

[A]

I think she definitely is gonna perform and I think it's just gonna be a blast.

[E]

And I wish I was there. I wanna ask you this. Going back to the ceremony of like, a wedding party, who do you think she would have as other bridesmaids? Maybe from, like, the celeb side of things?

[A]

The Heim sisters.

[E]

I was thinking the Heim sisters. Maybe Selena Gomez. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I think it's gonna be small. Five max.

[E]

Five, max. Okay, well, there's five right there. Three Heims, a Selena and an Abigail.

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[E]

How many NFL players do you think will be there out of the 1,000?

[A]

Oh.

[E]

Oh, and let's say 500 are actual guests, right? Because everyone's bringing a plus one.

[A]

I would say 30.

[E]

30. Okay. Great number.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Yeah, I'd say. Well, I wonder how many Chiefs are going to be coming, because a thousand. There's 53 chiefs on one team. Is Andy Reid going to be there? How many people behind the scenes? The practice squad. That could take up a good 200 right there.

[A]

I don't think the entire team will be invited.

[E]

That feels mean.

[A]

I. I know. I know it's tough, but you're not friends with everyone on the team.

[E]

They're inviting a thousand people.

[A]

But like you said, the plus ones, they really only 500.

[E]

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

[A]

And think about how many people they come in contact with. I mean, think about their teams alone. Not the NFL team, but they're behind the scenes. Who works for them?

[E]

They're all little people.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[E]

And if she's met you, you're invited.

[A]

I know, but not me.

[E]

But it's almost like this is like a Met gala. Yesterday, when people were coming out of the one hotel to go off to the rehearsal dinner, it was who's who. Like, who's going? Who's coming out? Did you see from the rehearsal dinner, too? Everybody got some sort of gift, and it was in this, like, rectangle box, and it looked like the TNT logo for, like, their wedding Mary.

[A]

I didn't see that.

[E]

Gosh. Invested in what could be happening today. It looked like a blue, kind of, like, velvety felt box. Almost like you would put a bottle of alcohol or something in it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. I saw Bradley Cooper.

[E]

Oh, was on the way. Yeah. Gigi could be in the way. Remember? I mean, all the Bad Blood girlies.

[A]

I was thinking, is Oprah gonna go? But Oprah is with Kris Jenner, like, on a yacht right now, so probably not. And obviously the Kardashians and the Jenners aren't gonna go. That's bad Blood.

[E]

Whole song about it.

[A]

Well, I look forward to talking to you about this on Monday.

[E]

I'm just excited for you. Okay, well, let's take a break and come back with some Next gen.

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This episode was called Bad Influencer, and I guess that is about Charlie.

[E]

Oh, I. I think it's multifaceted. We also have an Influencer party with the collab of Riley, Ava, and Amira with Urban Outfitters, which took me back to a time. So we shopped at Urban Outfitters in high school. Those shirts, when it was the states and it was like Idaho. No, Utah, I would get my paycheck from work, I would deposit it, and I would immediately go shop at Urban Outfitters at the Irvine Spectrum.

[A]

They used to have an Urban Outfitters on Fillmore street in San Francisco. And when I was 23, I would go there, but I still really couldn't afford it. Urban Outfitters was kind of expensive, so I could only shop the sales section. And things never even fit that great there. I don't know how they're still in business, to be honest.

[E]

I'll be honest. I did recently go into an Urban Outfitters because I bought jorts from there. Of course, my Levi jorts are from Urban Outfitters, but I was specifically going there because I knew they would have them. There's one down the street from me.

[A]

They have really cute jorts at Gap.

[E]

You guys, Gap is coming back. Gap is so good now. I'm sure someone will tell me Gap never left, and I do agree on that. But it never worked out for me. And now I found so many good pairs of jeans there.

[A]

It's because of Zach Posen.

[E]

Thank you. Okay, yeah, I'm walking into Gap now. I never walked into Gap.

[A]

They have a Gap on Chestnut street that's never left. It's huge. And right now, every single item in there is amazing. Really cute kids stuff, too.

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Ooh.

[E]

I mean, Gap back on the market.

[A]

Gap, Gap. If you want to sponsor Timeless.

[E]

All I'm saying is the stores, they're

[A]

coming back they really are. Thank God.

[E]

We need to bring malls back.

[A]

Yeah, I guess it's just online shopping. But there is something very nice when you have to go to the mall and everything is in one place. And you can try on the clothes because I'm so sick of returning.

[E]

And that is for another pod. Okay, so we opened this episode, and we are back at the country after party, and we've got Ava Vers Gia. And before we actually get into this, we never talked about it this week, but guess who was spotted making out last week?

[A]

And Mary Ava Dash and Kyle Cook. But guess what, Courtney. Guess who's in Montauk right now.

[E]

Both Ava and Sally Carson.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

Sally's there, and Kyle's out there, and Carl's out there. And I'm wondering, is summer house filming this weekend? How do they keep those animals in a house?

[A]

I cannot wait to know. I think by Monday, we're gonna know the full cast.

[E]

Oh, my God. My God. I can't wait. It always just, like, feels right when those crazy kids are back in the Hamptons.

[A]

I kind of like Kyle and Sally. I love Kyle and Sally. Well, I know you love Sally. I like Kyle and Sally to make Austin jealous, because I want Austin and Sally to work out.

[E]

Oh, so Kyle is just. He's a rude.

[A]

A decoy.

[E]

Yeah. Okay. I like that. Okay, so back to this party. Ava and Gia are still going at it because Ava has the screenshots to prove that Teresa followed her and then unfollowed her. And not to be rude, Mary, but Teresa doesn't even know who Ava is.

[A]

Now. What do you think really happened here? Do you think she did do this? Is Teresa in charge of her social media? Why do I feel like Melania runs it like she gets paid to do it? I. I feel like Teresa definitely outsources people doing her social media 100%.

[E]

And I think what happened is probably when the show started is like, Gia was like, oh, mom, like, follow the cast. Or somebody said, you should follow Gia's cast. And so she, like, followed all these people. And then Teresa, at one point, went onto Instagram and was like, who are these random people in my feed? And unfollowed them. There was no malicious intent. Just was like, who is this?

[A]

Also, Gia convincing herself that it's AI actually has me cackling because she keeps coming back to that. She's like, is this a AI? You know, last week I was pregnant

[E]

on AI they show the photo. And then I was like, now, was that photo actually in existence? Is that the One she's talking about, or did the producers have to create an AI photo to put as the background?

[A]

So then what's the deal then? Can you, like, flag it that. That this is not me and it's fake?

[E]

How does that work as not public figures? We'll never know.

[A]

I know there's this person that keeps on doing AI of Brian and Rula, and it's actually insane. And I keep. It keeps popping up for me, and I'll be like, is this real? Like, are they at Chanel shopping together? And they'll be in, like, prom poses, and it really does look so real. And then I finally figure it out.

[E]

Yeah, well, that specifically to, like, rule a different had accepted the collab on it. So it's on her page. I'm like, rula, come on.

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Come on.

[A]

Yeah, come on.

[E]

Rula and Ashley. I were hanging out. Rosie and Kelsey were hanging out. And filming has started. We know. We got a July 4th party for season one and it's tomorrow.

[A]

I can't wait.

[E]

So anyways, these two, they're gonna try to move forward because Jia's called her a liar, and she's also called her a. And Ava is waiting for an apology. She just wants a shot and a sorry.

[A]

And she got that.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Also, Gia started coughing during this fight, and I'm like, wait, that was a kind of a good way to get out of a fight.

[E]

You're taking notes for your next one,

[A]

like, circuiting the fight. I need to get some water.

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Water.

[A]

Blue water.

[E]

Water. Exactly. Then we move on to Hudson and Ariana. Now, there is also an after show for this show. You guys. Not only was super sized episode, this after show is 27 minutes long. And what happens in it? Not a ton, except for the fact that I'm like, Ariana and Hudson are definitely back together as of filming this after show.

[A]

Yes. And I really think what happened with them is Hudson got depressed, and I think Ariana would be like, well, okay, so you're definitely in a funk. So why don't we start eating better? Why don't we get on a schedule? Let's get on a routine. Let's go to the gym. And I think she was trying to give him ways to hopefully, like, get out of it. And he wasn't motivated and wasn't doing anything. And I think Ariana's gave him enough chances that she finally was like, okay, I gotta go, because you're not changing. And I've asked you a million times and tried to help you, and you haven't done Anything about it. It's sad to me. I think it's like mental health stuff.

[E]

Oh yeah, I think so too. She mentions that in the after show he's going through a couple of things and so she never wanted to get rid of this. This H and a heart that she has on her arm because if anything ever happened she would just feel so terrible. And I think it was like I've tried to help you. I've also asked you to get help and if you can't help yourself I can't watch you in this state anymore. I have to choose me. Which Brielle says she never does.

[A]

That goes to show too that money cannot buy you happiness. Even five thousand dollar pants won't make you happy.

[E]

What brand is that for $5,000? That's just like not a bracket I'm in. And so it's wild to me that I'm like $5,000 black cargo pants.

[A]

I cannot even even. Okay. If I became a millionaire billionaire just had so much money I don't think yes I would be be able to do it for like a purse, a necklace, jewelry. But like no you would pants. You would. I don't know. I don't know.

[E]

I think you are.

[A]

Yeah. Really?

[E]

I would change you for sure. It would definitely change you and you'd be like excuse me, could you find a bar napkin to wipe this water off of this seat. I'm wearing five thousand dollar pants.

[A]

No, I would not. No, I would not.

[E]

No you'd change.

[A]

I would not.

[E]

I really yourself okay.

[A]

I'm okay. I have convinced myself and guess what? We won't have the money to ever find out the answer.

[E]

Dream big, Mary. I dream big. I want you to have $5,000 pants.

[A]

I could and make some money off this wiki feet thing.

[E]

You do have nice feet.

[A]

No I don't actually.

[E]

Okay. I was going to give you a 4.7.

[A]

Wow. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah.

[E]

Are you thinking about your feet?

[A]

No, I don't have good feet. I know I don't. Yeah, I was thinking about your feet.

[E]

Oh. What'd you think?

[A]

They're not coming to mind. Moving on. So Ariana is very concerned that Charlie is going to take advantage of Hudson which I think this is a genuine concern and something that she should be worried about because in the after show they go into more about Hudson was approached by Omar and Charlie about club

[E]

Club Club Omar still wearing that frickin suit from last season. The man has one suit and he

[A]

wears it daily and they asked Hudson for a million dollars and he kind of entertained the idea to at least have a meeting. And he wanted more of a business plan. And they were never able to produce that.

[E]

It's concepts of a plan.

[A]

Exactly. Which is George's plan. Except we without the bowling alley. But everything else was George's plan. And it's really interesting too, because Omar got renderings when he was working with Georgia, and those are the renderings that they're using. So it is part Georgia's business. So I can just tell you, nothing's ever going to go through with Charlie and Omar and club club.

[E]

It was all. It's a front. I think those are two shady characters and I'm not trusted them. Okay, you're going to open club club club club. It's like, no, it's only club club. And that belongs to Georgia. And we will fight for that because we have it on camera from last season.

[A]

I know I felt good for her. I'm like, she's pretty protected because they have a lot of video evidence of this being her concept, I believe.

[E]

And bowling's coming back, baby. Kenny and his dad on in the city. They're bowling.

[A]

That's true. That is true.

[E]

It could happen. But I'm like, you guys just straight up asked Hudson for a million dollars. And we're like, no, we have an idea. It's like, Hudson's rich, obviously, $5,000 pants. So a million dollars, though. It's like, where did you get that number from?

[A]

Exactly, exactly.

[E]

Also in the show too, Charlie is talking about it and he's like, yeah, so when I was younger, we would just find these bars that would let 15 and 16 year olds drink. They wouldn't idea us. And so I like, want to bring that back. I'm like, you're literally talking about how you want to promote underage drinking right now. Like, Charlie, what? Like, did you catch that? Where he's like, here's what I did in high school. And we really got to bring that vibe back.

[A]

I'm like, that's illegal, Right?

[E]

But so is torturing crypto, bro.

[A]

So it was very interesting at the Urban outfitters event how nobody wants to be associated with Charlie. Like, Riley does not want to talk to him.

[E]

He's like, what did I do Riley? Well, Charlie, he's like, sorry, let me rephrase that. What did I do to you?

[A]

He literally says that.

[E]

I know. It's like so funny because there is something like, Charlie's a monster, has dark energy, but at the end of the day, he's just a boy who Wants his dad to love him.

[A]

No. And what Ariana was saying at the end, like, Charlie is a prick, but he does have a heart. Like, deep, deep down, I think he is a good person, but he hangs out with the wrong people and gets sucked into bad groups and he makes poor choices.

[E]

Yeah, I think that's a great way to put it. I think he wants to be a good person, but he, like, succumbs to not good choices. Also, have you noticed that he dyed his eyebrows this season?

[A]

Oh, no.

[E]

They're a darker brown this season. But, like, him and Liam, to me are two kids in New York. One who's like, parents were supportive, and then one who's weren't. And they've gone on these different paths because in the after show, Liam talks about. They were talking about college, and he was saying, sat down with my parents, and I sat down with my manager, and I had just come off of this show, and so there was this run of like, I think I'm gonna just have a gap year. And then I never ended up going to college. But it sounded like he had to have the conversation because they're an active part of his life, and I feel like him and Charlie are just. They're sliding doors right there.

[A]

Mm. I'm obsessed with Liam. He really is a jack of all trades. I thought it was so cute. You know, Brooks's storyline right now is like, I'm having struggles with my business, and all his items went to Austin to his warehouse, but he really needs to get them to New York. And Liam's like, well, let's go. Let's get the U haul. He just feels like a fun guy and knows a little bit about everything and would be the person that you call at 3am for help. And I love the fireman side of him and his thought process. He's like, well, wait for club.

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Club.

[A]

If there's a bowling alley, when you walk in, you. You get your bowling shoes, because that is a hazard. As a fireman, I'm thinking about that could be a liability.

[E]

Brooks is so funny because he's so Meredith, Mark's son. He's so monotone. The two kids that we've seen of Brooks and Chloe have taken after Meredith so much because it really is Meredith. Black cat. Cat. Seth, golden retriever. And the kids have kind of taken on the black cat. Like, he's sad. He's like, I'm sad. He's happy. He's like, I'm happy. You know, if we were to do that trend with Brooks and he was delivering a line. It would be the same thing every time.

[A]

I would like love to see that.

[E]

That would be pretty funny. If we ever run into Brooks, we have to do that. You asked last week. Is Brooks still with his boyfriend? And he is. The boyfriend lives in Austin.

[A]

Cade.

[E]

So I think we will see this this Liam Brooks ride back from Austin one day, four hours.

[A]

I can only hope.

[E]

I like Liam too. You like love Liam. Like you're getting blushy and giggly and you're excited for March Madness because you're like, I have a crush.

[A]

I'll admit it.

[E]

She's got a crush. You guys. Let's take a break and then dive deeper into that.

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Okay. He's a renaissance man for you. And we know from Harry Hamlin you love a renaissance man.

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I do, I do. I got one of my own.

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My husband. That's. Thank you for clarifying. Michael is a true gem. A true gem.

[A]

Okay, let's talk about Georgia and her boyfriend, Prez, who is crypto adjacent. Courtney, he's not in crypto. It's crypto adjacent. He just has this, like, betting website with fake money.

[E]

I was like, is George's boyfriend the

[A]

founder of Kalshee maybe?

[E]

Yeah, could be. You know, also too. They've bonded because it's like, hygiene. Who needs it? He started to wash his hands less because of Georgia.

[A]

Her leaning into not washing her hands is the worst look. She should be leaning into Clorox. She should be leaning into Purell. Like, that is the look you want. Like, I'm sorry, I didn't realize how many germs are out there. I always cure carry Purell now, like, that's the brand deal, babe.

[E]

But isn't she going to do her own cleaning line in this season? I think that's in the trailer that she does lean into it. Now. Is it going to be antibacterial? Maybe not. Is it going to clean up stuff, perhaps?

[A]

No. Or you're too lazy to wash your hands. Here, I have this where you can wash your hands anywhere. You don't need a sink.

[E]

I feel like she's gonna invent some type of skirt where you can just wipe your hands on it. Like a shamwow skirt. Like, oh, you don't want to wash your hands? Don't worry. Just wipe it. And then she's just wiping your hands on a skirt. And I think that honestly would be perfect for her. I love this about Georgia, though. There's something so New York about Georgia that I'm really into because she is. She was born and raised there. She went to nyu. She's basically never left. But she seemingly is also, like, well traveled. Obviously, we know that she has the gay grapevine. So she's got a lot of connections. And yet she embraces is the dirt, the grit, the real New York. You know, I love her like, this cast is so funny.

[A]

She is a character shy.

[E]

To me, this man wakes up every day and he is wondering if he is on the Truman Show. The problem is, is Shy is so young. He's never even heard of the Truman show, but he could be Jim Carrey in the Truman Show.

[A]

He said that. He's like, I think you guys are going to punk me one day. And isn't real, but I love his clothing line, the upcycling. I think that's such a great idea. He's like, let me know if you have any of your grandmother's linens. I really like Shy because I think he keeps the group grounded. And he's the comedic relief in the after show. Ava Dash encouraged him to break up with his girlfriend, and he did. I guess Ava met him and then she was like, oh, are you dating someone? I guess they were talking about it, and then she's like, it sounds like you don't like her.

[D]

Her.

[A]

And he says, I don't. And then he broke up with her.

[E]

Well, she's making him realize he's also

[A]

so awkward when he. We meet Rowan this week. This is Brooke Shields daughter. And he's so, are you dating any? He doesn't know. He should have asked, are you dating anyone? But he said, do you have a boyfriend? And then he got nervous, like, do you have a girlfriend? Like, he was trying to be open.

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Yeah.

[E]

He's like, you could date whoever you want. You could be fluid. I. I don't want you to think that. I don't think that about you. You could go either way. Is your jacket polar bear?

[A]

God, no. Rowan seems like a star. I want to get to know her more. She has a boyfriend of four years. She seems really silly. I think she's going to be fun. Lighten up the group. I mean, Brooke Shields, for God's sakes. I love how she explained her mom. It wasn't Brooke Shields is my mom. It was my mom is Brooke Shields.

[E]

Do you understand the difference?

[A]

Yes, I do. And then the connection is, is Georgia's new boyfriend and her family is our close friends.

[E]

Well, I wouldn't say we summered together. It was kind of like he's always around growing up. And prez is the female Georgia, by the way, one week apart, same year, birthdays.

[A]

I know. It's cute.

[E]

It's cute. I'm telling you, Georgia, she's a star. They're all stars, like Rowan. Star power. I feel it all from her. Like Ariana, definitely the star of the show. This is Ariana's show know Gia is a great sidekick to her. Gia will never be the star, unfortunately, not at all.

[A]

Not even close.

[E]

But a great friend. Gia is somebody you want to be your friend. I think she is loyal as hell. I think she will go the distance.

[A]

Now what about Riley?

[E]

Okay, Riley has the cutest confessional look. It's a kind of this school girl look that she's rocking and she's got these stiletto open toed heels that she's paired with these frilly socks. And then she's got that argyle sweater with the little beret. And I'm like Riley, you are so cute. You also look exactly like Candy. You do.

[A]

Now I'm confused. Is she going back to school to get a graduate degree or did she never finish?

[E]

That's a good question. Because on the after show she said she had two years left. So I'm thinking maybe she has left for a little bit because she was going to be the dj. And we do need a resident DJ on every show of course.

[A]

But I feel like last season it was like I just graduated and that was the whole thing. She wanted to take like some time off. Lawful school. Maybe she's in a two year program to get some type of masters or something.

[E]

She's trying to go get her law degree it sounds like because she wants to be an entertainment lawyer. So maybe she's studying to take her LSAT to get into law school.

[A]

Okay, I was confused.

[E]

Yeah, she wants to be a corporate baddie, you guys. And that really just means dressing the part at her nine to five.

[A]

Believe me, you don't want to be a corporate body.

[E]

She wants the editor Express pant. Okay, if you will.

[A]

Okay. And let's talk about Amira because she is really backing Charlie. Where do you think that's coming from?

[E]

I think she sees the good in him. I think she feels like he's troubled. Amira really has a good head on her shoulders. Michaela Nogueira. I don't know if you know who that is. The makeup girl. She went viral once and said try being an influencer for a day. And it was like 501. But when Amira tells us her schedule, I said that seems tough. She's up at 4 or 5am starting work. She is going through the day, she's filming, she's answering emails. Then she has to go to events at night. She is working it.

[A]

I mean someone that is paying $16,000 a month for rent is a boss bitch 100%.

[E]

And I love her relationship with her Parents, their divorce, what they get along now. The way that they just support her is so sweet. And I feel like she knows she has such a great situation for herself that she has created too, and the relationship she has with her family. And I feel like she can see that in Charlie. Like, he yearns for that and that there is good in him.

[A]

I also like that Amira is not dependent on her boyfriend. Like, we know she has that boyfriend. He's been in and out, but she isn't relying on him. Where I think Ariana and Hudson have a codependent relationship.

[E]

They really do. Watching the after show, I. I thought I would love for Ariana to have her hoe phase. I mean, she probably is going to be having it on the show, though.

[A]

I think something happens with Liam. I don't think anything actually happens with the Charlie thing. That's what my hope.

[E]

Yeah, I'm sure. But there's, like, watching the relationship that she has with Hudson, like, wow, they really are so intertwined. It's been 10 years on and off serious for four. And then again with these shows, they're filming a show. It's not like she can get away from him, nor do I think she wants to get away from him. To be fair. I want her. Her to be independent. I want her to have her whole phase. There's nothing better than when you've had a whole phase.

[A]

I think we're gonna see the whole phase. And that is exciting because, yeah, you have to experience the world a little bit. And if that is pissing some frogs along the way, that is okay.

[E]

Exactly. And look, if you didn't have a hoe phase, that's also okay. But if you had one, you know, you had a good time hoeing it up. So at the party, Charlie arrives, and as you said before, everyone is kind of steering clear of him because, you know, the kidnapping.

[A]

Well, I also feel like their parents have warned them. Candy's like, stay away from that guy Riley.

[E]

Do not talk to him.

[A]

Do not give him the time of day, because if he was involved in any way, that is very scary.

[E]

Totally. Do you think he was?

[D]

I don't.

[A]

I honestly don't even want to comment about it because I don't know. I don't know. I need a dateline.

[E]

Yeah, you don't want to be deposed either. What if they subpoena you for talking about it? What if you end up on a billboard next season in the show and there she is, Mary, talking about being kidnapped, and it pops up on billboards

[A]

in Next Gen Season 3 I need more information to.

[E]

To inform your decision exactly. Sure, sure. And it's always important to have the information. Facts are essential.

[A]

Yeah. But I do think everyone's parents were like, steer clear of that guy. And I think that was probably some good advice.

[E]

Yeah, but then he charms you.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

And he's good at that. When he was talking to Ariana outside, he's like, yeah, you know Hudson's in Atlanta right now. He's like, giving her the update and she's like. And she wants to be like, stay the away from him.

[A]

I know. I like what she said. Just be careful with Hudson. Giving him a warning. I know what Hudson's up to. And don't try to take advantage of him, because if you do, I will come for you. Charlie's like, oh, yeah. And like, I won't let him hook up with girls. I'll just steal them all from him. I'm like, what?

[E]

But then he's also like, okay, but like, how are you? And then you can see her being like, God damn it. He is charming. Damn this fool. He's a prick. But he has a heart.

[A]

Everyone kind of has a soft place in their heart for him and wants to see him do that.

[E]

Except for Georgia. That is her arch nemesis.

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Prez. Why are you talking to him in

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a city of 8 million people? We don't need him as a friend.

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I'm kind of on team Georgia.

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Okay. Also, I need to discuss too, because Charlie is talking about Ava and her boyfriend Hook. Hook. And he calls him Tyler. You're telling me the whole time this guy's last name is just Hook? I thought he was a boxer and his nickname was Hook because he had like a strong left hook or something. You're telling me it's just his last name. His name is Tyler Hook. The mystique is gone for me.

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This is very interesting because Hook basically told Charlie, like, don't contact Ava. You contact me. And same with. With Hudson told Charlie that. And I'm like, that felt very strange.

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Well, I think they were saying, like, you're trying to cross a line with my girlfriend, and I don't like it. Knock it off. He's like, I'm just telling them they're hot. Sorry. Objectively, they are good looking people.

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Wait, and Hudson told Shy that too.

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Oh, Hudson's telling everyone, stay away.

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Hudson, Liam.

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That as well. Liam's like, I just met you.

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I know. And I love how Liam's friends were like, yeah, you have no loyalty to Hudson. Like, you can go For Ariana, if you want to, which I kind of think is true.

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I agree. Liam's friends, Kendall Jackson.

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Yeah, he's like, I'm just gonna get on my motorcycle and go Kiki with my friends.

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He's like. He's like, I've learned so much slang from you guys. And also that Georgia uses Reddit a lot. She talks about it on the after show. She's like, you guys, Reddit's great. Okay, so I've been watching the Sopranos, and I will have have a niche question about a scene.

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Like, niche.

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Like, nobody's ever thought about it, but there's a Reddit thread with like a hundred comments about it. It's amazing. I also use it for Gen Alpha terms. Riz Skibidi, Ohio. And I'm like, what the are those Riz? I knows Charisma. The other two, no idea.

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Oh, Ohio is. People say like, oh, that's Ohio. I think it means kind of like, bad or lame.

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So let's use Reddit for the Gen Alpha terms. Yeah, I need to know about Skibidi.

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Isn't Skibidi like hanging out like, 676-767-67?

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Yeah. Wait, so what is. What does it mean? Ohio.

[A]

It says Florida of the Midwest, and then one of them just said corn. Corn, corn, corn, corn.

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Ohio. Okay, to Gen Alpha and Gen Z. Ohio is slang for anything weird, cringy, awkward, or bizarre. It originated from absurdist Internet memes similar to only in Ohio that joked about strange and chaotic events happening there. Okay, let's look up Skibidi. I've never felt so old right now. Skibidi is a versatile Gen Alpha nonsense word popularized by the viral YouTube series Skibidi Toyota. Depending on context, it can mean anything from cool and awesome to bad or trash, and is often used simply as filler gibberish.

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I can say I will not be using these words.

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Yeah. But I appreciate that the kids are making up their own terms. It's important for the generation.

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Okay, any final thoughts?

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I hope everybody has a fantastic July 4th. I hope whatever you do, you are safe and happy and merry. I hope you have the best weekend ever.

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Same with you. And I'll talk to you Monday about that Taylor wedding.

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We're on Taylor Watch.

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