TJG: Next Gen NYC S2 E4!

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Two Judgey Girls

Episode: TJG: Next Gen NYC S2 E4!

Date: July 16, 2026
Hosts: Courtney (LA) & Mary (Bay Area)

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Main Theme / Purpose

Courtney and Mary break down episode 4 ("TikTok Boom") of Bravo’s Real Housewives: Next Gen NYC, focusing on the fallout from a chaotic girls’ night, social media rumors (especially surrounding Amanda’s viral TikTok), cast drama, and their ever-judgey but affectionate recaps of the Next Gen cast and broader Bravo gossip.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Georgia—The Unexpected “Aging” Queen

• Mary: Opens with playful “shade” about Georgia appearing much older than her years—“if you told me Georgia was a 40 year old woman, I’d believe you” (03:40).
• Courtney: Defends Georgia as “just a New Yorker living her life… moved seven times last year, that takes a toll” (04:04).
• They riff about their own youthful habits (St. Ives apricot scrub, questionable college skincare) and how bad habits didn’t “age” them thanks to alleged good genes or dryness (05:31).
• Favorite Quote:
  “The annoying part about Mary, you guys, is I’ve literally never seen a pimple on her… Mary waking up looking like a little gorgina.” — Courtney (05:01)

2. Viral TikTok & Amanda Rumors

• Amanda’s TikTok (filmed by Wes Wilson) set off pregnancy rumors by showcasing her buying Clawson pickles and Dreyer’s ice cream—a stereotypical “pregnant woman” craving (06:13).
• Mary: Wonders if Amanda is trolling fans again (recalling her previous gingerbread house “fake-out”), suspects she’s “trying to get the scent off us” (08:50).
• Courtney: Notes the Bravo audience’s context—Amanda and Wes addressing rumors via the TikTok, causing confusion/outcry among non-Bravo followers (09:09).
• They read vicious/funny comments from the video (11:30), highlighting social media’s role in stoking/supporting reality show narratives.
• Favorite Quotes:
  “This is hilarious because it’s so stupid. But we’re gonna comment without commenting. Whether it’s true or not, I still don’t believe it.” — Courtney (10:09)
  “People just do not like her… Amanda’s so smug.” — Courtney (09:09)
• Data: 1.2 million views, 47,000 “sents” (shares), 4,599 comments (12:36).

3. Unseen/Deleted Scene: Prenup Drama

• Listeners note an omission from this episode—Kyle and Amanda’s prenup confrontation teased in trailers but missing from the aired episode (13:24).
• Courtney: Frustrated by Bravo’s choice to “protect Kyle” but wanting “the full picture” (14:16).

4. Melania’s Court Case

• Brief overview of Melania’s legal troubles—allegedly hit someone in the face, with speculation about the victim’s identity (15:05).
• Mixed feelings about whether this should air on Bravo; concern for Melania’s well-being vs. the audience’s “need to see it addressed” (16:34–16:43).

5. Next Gen Future Spoilers

• New iterations teased: Next Gen LA, DC, Atlanta in the works (16:43).
• Courtney & Mary: Surprised at being “tricked” by Atlanta spinoff casting, but ultimately “bring on more shows!” (17:23)
• Mary: Loves watching “her kids” and says it makes her “feel young” (17:46).

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Main Episode Recap & Analysis

TikTok Boom (25:30)

A. Girls’ Night Disaster — Riley’s Meltdown

• Event Recap: Girls’ night implodes when Riley, highly intoxicated, makes a “ketamine” accusation towards Georgia and generally spirals.
• Mary: “She [Riley] did not come across great. She… is blacked out during this episode.” (27:02)
• Courtney: Reflects on how grateful they are their own “bad nights” weren’t on camera (29:09).
• The group tries to “ignore” Riley and realistically, she “doesn’t know how to handle herself” (29:35).
• Georgia, in contrast, remains calm and unbothered—“For Georgia, I feel like this is just another night out for her” (29:13).
• Memorable Moment: Heated confrontation with Riley hurling insults (Birkin bag shade) and escalating to nearly throwing a shot glass at Georgia (30:56).
  “You couldn’t even afford a Birkin.” — Riley (paraphrased, 30:52)
• Group pushes Riley into an Uber; “the damage has been done” (32:13).

B. Poor Apologies and Accountability

• Mary: Reads Riley’s apologetic-but-not-really-apologetic text to Georgia (33:43, again at 33:59):
  “Hey, I understand things got dramatic and drawn out the other night. I want to take accountability for my part. I was never going to get physical with you. There’s nothing to worry about. Hope we can move forward from this.”
• Both hosts agree: “That’s not a good apology… Not a single sorry. Take accountability for my part. What did Georgia do, exist?” — Courtney (34:12)
• Hosts: Lament how Riley chooses not to own her mistakes.
  “I just can’t imagine if you don’t remember the night that you wouldn’t be calling people and saying, ‘Tell me exactly what happened…’” — Mary (34:19)

C. Social Dynamics & “Maturity” Aesthetics

• Running joke about several cast members (esp. Georgia and Rowan) looking older or “mature for their age.”
• Throwbacks to 80s movies (“Adventures in Babysitting”) and general delight in their own “youthful” appearances.

Ariana/Liam/Hudson Love Triangle & Brooks

• Ariana and Liam’s cute date recapped (41:42), with hosts giddily rooting for Liam (“your renaissance man, Mary” — Courtney, 45:51).
• Discussion of wealth (Hudson is apparently the Zaxby’s heir; “never worried about the rent”) and the weirdness of his same-age “business manager” (41:53–42:27).
• Brooks is mocked for relentless sourdough baking and not having much of a storyline (43:23–44:55).
• Brooks’ phone call with Meredith is praised for its shade and Brooks’ “disassociation” (43:57).

Amira, Charlie, and Relationship Drama

• They recount Amira’s beef with Charlie for telling others about her boyfriend drama, and the “gay grapevine” passing on gossip (48:10).
• Charlie’s villain role: The hosts want to watch him but “wouldn’t want to be friends with him” (50:11).

Georgia’s Vulnerability & Family

• Sweet moment: Georgia gets a massage with cousin Gordon, opens up about depression, ED recovery, and family history of “believing in alien abductions” (50:26).
• Courtney: “She really is an open book… but she is afraid of a bathroom sink” (51:08).
• Call for “Purell collab,” rooting for Georgia as “personal favorite” (51:48).

Rocky Horror Antics & Future of the Season

• Girls plan to attend Rocky Horror Picture Show (52:08). Courtney, a musical theater fangirl, excitedly lists the Broadway cast.
• Predictions: Riley likely fades into the background after this implosion, relationships in the group strained.
• Mary: “I have a feeling Riley’s going to go home and take a step back because she’s not liking the direction that she’s going to be portrayed well” (53:00).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “If you told me Georgia was a 40 year old woman, I’d believe you.” – Mary (03:40)
• “That takes a toll on somebody. I love Georgia and will take no Georgia slander.” – Courtney (04:04)
• “Why did we think St. Ives apricot scrub was going to save our faces? All it did was chemical peels.” – Courtney (04:45)
• “Amanda put the dryers in her cart. I found this hysterical. The comments are so vicious.” – Mary (08:11)
• “The lack of empathy is astounding.” – From a TikTok comment, read by Mary (12:00)
• “I would still have liked to have seen that. Agreed, agreed.” – Mary (14:15) on missing the prenup fight
• “You’re gonna come up to my ex-girlfriend… Liam owes you nothing.” – Courtney mocking Hudson’s awkwardness (42:53)
• “She [Riley] is the person that says, ‘my mom is Kandi Burruss.’ Rowan is the one who says, ‘Brooke Shields is my mom.’” – Mary (36:26)
• “He doesn’t want to hang out with the crypto kidnapper.” – Courtney on Brooks avoiding Charlie (44:30)
• “Let Charlie be. I feel like he’s fine with it too.” – Courtney (54:11)
• “Nothing better than seeing people who have talent while you don’t have any.” – Courtney on musicals (52:37)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Start of Content (skip ads): 03:27
• Georgia “Ages” Discussion: 03:40–05:43
• Amanda/Wes TikTok, Pregnancy Rumors: 06:13–13:02
• Omitted Prenup Fight: 13:24–14:16
• Melania Legal Rumor: 14:38–16:43
• Next Gen Expansion: 16:43–17:46
• Episode Recap (TikTok Boom): 25:30+
• Riley’s Girls’ Night Meltdown: 27:02–35:10
• Apology Text Drama: 33:37–34:57
• Ariana/Liam/Hudson Romantic Dynamics: 41:42–46:17
• Amira/Charlie/Gossip: 48:10–50:09
• Georgia’s Vulnerability/Self-care Scene: 50:26–51:48
• Rocky Horror/Broadway Chatter: 52:08–52:37
• Riley’s Future/Group Fallout: 52:55–55:27
• Outro Chatter: 55:35+

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Recurring Themes & Tone

• Playful Shade: Good-natured ribbing about cast’s looks, backgrounds, and each other’s “youthfulness.”
• Pop Culture References: Frequent analogies to 80s/90s movies, food (mint chip ice cream!), and Broadway.
• Judgey Bonding: Hosts identify with “parental” feelings toward the younger cast, reflecting on their own “bad nights.”
• Empathy with Accountability: Amused but earnest critique of poor apology/deflection, especially about Riley.
• Memes & Social Media Savvy: Acute awareness of how TikTok and Bravo fandom fuel rumors and storylines.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• If you missed the episode, the girls’ night disaster dominates, showcasing the pitfalls of “reality fame” and the necessity of accountability.
• Social media’s impact (Amanda’s TikTok) amplifies and complicates Bravo narratives.
• Georgia emerges as a fan-and-host favorite for her openness and resilience.
• The Next Gen franchise is rapidly expanding—expect more cities and crossover intrigue.
• The pod’s casual, witty, sometimes snarky tone captures the essence of both Bravo fandom and real-life friendship comedy.

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[Mary]

Welcome back to two Judgy Girls. This is Mary from the bay and

[Courtney]

it's Courtney from la. We get to talk about our little kids today, our little babies that are coming up through the Bravo sphere.

[Mary]

Although this, this might be mean, it's not mean. It's just Georgia does look so much older. And not that she looks like weathered or worn out, but if you told me Georgia was a 40 year old woman, I believe you. Mary, is that mean?

[Courtney]

You think she looks like us?

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[Courtney]

I think she's just a New Yorker who's living her life. She moved seven times last year. Mary, that takes a toll on somebody. I think she looks great. I love Georgia and I will take no Georgia slander.

[Mary]

No, actually, she's probably my favorite person on the show. But don't you think she could pass for someone many different ages? Do you agree with that? Like she has a look. It's not that she looks old. And obviously, Courtney, we look really young, right?

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[Mary]

You know, all that apricot scrub, not taking off our makeup in our 20s, drinking pop off Little Caesar, $5 pizza, you know, that didn't age us.

[Courtney]

Why did we think that St. Ives apricot scrub was going to like save our faces? And all it did was just every single day we were giving ourselves chemical peels.

[Mary]

Honestly, it works for me. I, I always had great.

[Courtney]

The annoying part about Mary, you guys, is I've literally never seen a pimple on her. This girl would wake up after a night out. Eye makeup, not a smudge in place, not an eyelash out of line, not an eyeliner smudged under her eyelids. Me, I put an eyeliner on five minutes later, it's already under my eyelids. Mary waking up looking like a little gorgina. She went from night to day.

[Mary]

But you know why? It's because my skin's so dry. So it doesn't melt.

[Courtney]

You gave it a grit to stick to.

[Mary]

It's so true. And that's why I use the Vaseline, because I need the moisture. But my makeup never comes off because I use liquid eyeliner, and I'm so dry. It just stays.

[Courtney]

You always look great in your eyes. You really do have a great eye. And you should probably give a lesson because you can make it work for 24 hours. Get ready with me for 24 hours.

[Mary]

Oh, God.

[Courtney]

Should we address the TikTok that came out yesterday?

[Mary]

People are losing their mind over this. Honestly. Brilliant. Loved it. Laughed out loud. We are referring to Wes Wilson on TikTok posts. Amanda. And she's walking through another grocery store. A grocery store. And she starts getting the Clawson pickles, and then she fills it up with Dreyer's ice cream. Not my personal favorite.

[Courtney]

What? What is your personal favorite?

[Mary]

Oh, if I'm going to the regular ice cream store or.

[Courtney]

Well, the grocery store.

[Mary]

Okay. Oh, like, I love a Haagen Dazs. Delicious. I really like a pure ice cream now. I think there's too many chemicals in things, so I love a Breyer's mint. It's just really pure.

[Courtney]

Wait, the green or the white? Which one? Dryer's or Breyers? It's like, why did they have to have tuning? Very similar. It's rude. One of them has a really good mint chocolate chip, and I feel like it's the opposite one of what you like.

[Mary]

So I like the Breyers, the white, and it tastes really minty. It tastes more pure. Do you like the dryers? The green?

[Courtney]

Yes, I like the green. Because the mint chips are smaller.

[Mary]

Oh, yes.

[Courtney]

The dryers is, like, legitimate, like, mint chocolate. Like, I feel like they're little rectangular.

[Mary]

You mean the briars?

[Courtney]

Oh, God damn it. Yeah, whatever. The white mint chocolate chip ice cream, the chips are too thick for me. I like it to be a little more choppy, if you will.

[Mary]

Oh, sure.

[Courtney]

Have you ever had, like, the Rite Aid? The thrifty Rite Aid mint chip we've talked about? Yeah.

[Mary]

99 cents.

[Courtney]

That's the ultimate for me. There's something about mint chip that I need it to be green, which is chemicals, so I prefer chemicals so that I know I'm having a mint chip. You give me a white mint chip, I'm like, I don't. I'm not trusting this. It's like a mint chip cookie, you know, you can't tell the difference.

[Mary]

Yes, I, I, I completely understand what you're saying, but Anyways, Amanda put the dryers in her cart. I found this hysterical. The comments are so vicious.

[Courtney]

We are in the minority.

[Mary]

I know, which is crazy. Okay, Also, you guys, this made me think, is it true? Because it brings me back to Gemma's gingerbread house when she was trolling all of us around the holidays. Once again, I protected Amanda.

[Courtney]

You are her bodyguard. Have a cross. For who?

[Mary]

Clearly, they are living together. She's trolling us that they're not living together. And she got this new apartment, gingerbread house. So now I'm like, oh, my God, is she pregnant? Is she trolling us again? Originally I was like, absolutely not. But now I'm like, oh, she's trying to get the scent off of us.

[Courtney]

I see what you're saying. And if it came from her account, I feel like maybe it'd be different. But I feel like west is like, he. Because Wes is so pissed because, you know, Kyle's posting those BTs, and that was West's job for some. He's literally so pissed he couldn't share behind the scenes. So now he's like, oh, this would be really funny. And I think he thought people were going to lean in. The problem is, is the pregnancy rumors were happening. I feel within the Bravo space. If you watch Bravo and you're following the west and Amanda saga, then, like, that dress photo is what made people think it, Right? If you didn't and you see this TikTok, you're, what the hell? Why would they even be joking around with this? Not realizing that they're answering back to the rumors? And so I like to also set people off. And then people are like, amanda's so smug. People just do not like her. I go 30ft, 30,000ft above in the air and look down at it and say, this is hilarious because it's so stupid. But we're gonna comment without commenting. Whether it's true or not, I still don't believe it. But, you know, if they want to be interesting, I'll believe it.

[Mary]

Okay. Also, Courtney, you're gonna die. Oh, no, it wasn't Dreyer's or Breyers. It was Eddie.

[Courtney]

Was it a Clawson as well?

[Mary]

It was Clawson, but Eddie's is Dreyer's. It's the same. But I just wanted to clarify, after we've had this very long conversation, can

[Courtney]

I ask a question? When you were pregnant, did you crave pickles and ice cream? Where did this craving come from? That's so synonymous with being pregnant, right?

[Mary]

No, I ate like a child. I Honestly, just wanted like butter noodles. I wanted things that were super plain, like a PB and J on white bread. I reverted back to a five year old.

[Courtney]

Probably a little nauseous too. And like maybe an upset tummy.

[Mary]

Remember my. I had crazy acid reflux. I was burping all the time. I would take Tums, I would take

[Courtney]

Pepto, I would take.

[Mary]

I had to eventually get on something you weren't supposed to take when you were pregnant because it was just. Just crazy. I would like to read a couple comments now.

[Courtney]

Listen, there's nothing funnier than a comment section. So like, whether you like the video or not going into the comments, we can all have a community laugh completely.

[Mary]

Okay. Lindsay, the Bravo holic, our friend, she wrote don't forget the prenatals. Gabby wrote, this was put on my FYP against by, well, cat Daddy wrote shock. She didn't take the pickles and the ice cream from Sierra's fridge. Another Gabby wrote, you must have stayed up all night thinking of this.

[Courtney]

The thing is, they probably could.

[Mary]

I think it's funny, but people really had like a visceral reaction and were pissed. This reminds me to unfollow you. The lack of empathy is astounding.

[Courtney]

I think his last post before that was back in March, like right when the rumor was hitting. And so I know it kills him the fact that he can't post his silly social media because he gets a rise out of like people enjoying his silly little tiktoks. And so it's funny because this is a silly little TikTok, but they just don't like you right now.

[Mary]

It has 1.2 million views.

[Courtney]

How many cents to people?

[Mary]

47,000. Sense.

[Courtney]

Yeah, look at how many comments. Because he deleted a lot of comments too.

[Mary]

4599 Comments he liked and the comments

[Courtney]

all came in and now he's like, I gotta leave everything.

[Mary]

It's too.

[Courtney]

There's too many. I can't go through it. Even funnier though, if he did it as a collab post.

[Mary]

And Courtney, guess what kind of shirt she's wearing.

[Courtney]

Is it striped?

[Mary]

It's striped. Do you think it's horizontal or vertical?

[Courtney]

I think she was standing upright. Hey, classic. Classic. Wait, by the way, I wanted to mention because people were commenting about this from in the city last night and they said that we were completely deprived of the line from the trailer where they talk about their prenup, Kyle and Amanda, and she's like, are you threatening me? Like, if you come for me, I'll come for you. We didn't get that, you guys.

[Mary]

That is so true.

[Courtney]

That tease that they teased us and they did not please us,

[Mary]

I guess because they went in a different direction to protect Kyle.

[Courtney]

I would still have liked to have seen that.

[Mary]

Agreed. Agreed.

[Courtney]

I don't think that Kyle needs protecting right now. I do think that Bravo is taking a stance and backing Kyle, but we need the full picture here. That is something that I actually was looking forward to because that was put in the teaser trailer, knowing that they were already separated and with this affair happening. Affair.

[Mary]

Such a good point. Courtney likes to call it the affair,

[Courtney]

but, yeah, better word for it. Relationship. Okay, so we have to talk about this Melania court case. Now, I don't know a ton about it, but I know that she appeared in court with her lawyer via Zoom, and some details were released about this incident.

[Mary]

Wait, is it the lawyer that we've seen a bunch on tv, like Teresa's old lawyer.

[Courtney]

What was his name? Jim, probably. Honestly, let's start the rumor. It could have been him. I. I don't know. I just feel sad about the whole thing. But it was revealed that she hit somebody in the face, and the initials are L, R. Now, deductive reasoning would lead us to believe that Theresa's husband, who has those initials, L.R. could have been the victim. He also has a son that's a junior with the same initials.

[Mary]

Do you think this will be on the season? Will this be talked about? It feels like they've been able to cover up as much as they can. They clearly don't want this really fully out. And is it because they're saving it for the season?

[Courtney]

Oh, I hope not. I feel like Melania was in a bad place, and it feels like taking advantage of that.

[Mary]

I. I think that Teresa would have to speak to it at some level because it is during filming and this is what is happening in her life. I don't know if her and Melania will, like, talk about it on camera or anything, but

[Courtney]

can I be honest? I'd actually hoped that they would leave it out. It feels like with Jersey that there was such levels of darkness throughout as we were, like, watching these families break up and, you know, going through the motions of it, that I would like something that's going to potentially just avoid this, especially if Melania is not really featured on the show.

[Mary]

I don't know.

[Courtney]

I don't know why am I having a moral ground right now?

[Mary]

I personally need to see it. I would want this to be addressed.

[Courtney]

Okay. Also, there's these rumors going around about these new next gens and have you heard so we've got like a next gen la, there's potentially a next gen DC and a next gen Atlanta. Thoughts, comments, questions, concerns from you? Mary?

[Mary]

Okay, I think we're gonna see the next gen la. I think that's gonna be the next one that comes out. And then I was really surprised because you know how we've gotten a lot of that Angela story with her daughter. Her daughter filmed for the next gen and that's why I was like, I didn't even realize we we were getting tricked. Guys.

[Courtney]

We knew when he came out on oc, oh, they're trying to get us for next gen but they tricked us in Atlanta.

[Mary]

They sure did. They sure did.

[Courtney]

We were hooked, line and sinker.

[Mary]

I'd watch them all.

[Courtney]

You know, I was like great. I was like, oh great. More shows. Bring them on. Because as I said, I felt old watching this season and then I said just watching my kids.

[Mary]

I love this show. It makes me feel young. And should we take a break and get into it?

[Courtney]

Absolutely.

[Mary]

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[Mary]

Okay, this episode was called TikTok Boom.

[Courtney]

So that's so next gen. Tick tock. Boom.

[Mary]

Have you seen on TikTok this dad and his son and they review things and like, it started with Costco stuff. Do you know who I'm talking about? And there's boom. And it's five booms. Boom boom boys. So stupid. But they've made a lot of money,

[Courtney]

I bet right now my TikTok feed is all World Cup. It's like all Holland. It's all Jude Bellingham. It's all edits of them together. It's actually a little insane. And I was like. And I did build this brick by brick.

[Mary]

I like it. I saw him get off the plane with that. Was it a raccoon?

[Courtney]

It was a taxidermied raccoon with an empty vodka bottle. And I just thought, you know, he went back and he's like, America is so funny. You guys. This is quintessential. I bought a bunch of Stetsons, not from Kimo Sabi Kyle. Bad branding. But I also found this guy. You guys. This is something they do in America.

[Mary]

This is a souvenir.

[Courtney]

Exactly. Honestly, though, that is a perfect representation of us.

[Mary]

It sure is. You can have it all here.

[Courtney]

The American dream. Okay, so we open back out. We're at girls night. We're the to be continued from last week. And Riley needs to go home.

[Mary]

So Riley did not come across great. This episode. This she did tough to watch. And we actually realized she is blacked out during this episode because she says this ketamine comment and Then she forgot she said the ketamine comment. And we don't go into full detail about this, but she just looked bad all around. There's no coming back from this.

[Courtney]

Well, I think she was definitely blacked out because I feel like she was also downplaying it with her mom, downplaying with Ariana later, even in the text exchange with Brooks later and Ava. And the terrible thing is, is, like, again, these kids are so young, but. And it's like, who hasn't had a bad night? Thank God there's no cameras. We talk about our digital cameras. Those pictures exist, and they definitely are on the Internet in a private album. So I have a Mary, don't cross me. Kidding. It's probably worse of me, but it's caught on camera. It's going from bad to worse. Everyone is trying to calm the situation a bit and just be like, let's all have water. Let's go outside. But Georgia is Riley's bitch eating chicken salad, and she cannot contain her hatred for her.

[Mary]

Her.

[Courtney]

Whereas, like, for Georgia, I feel like this is just another night out for her.

[Mary]

I will say Georgia really kept her cool in this moment because Riley was just rude. She's literally saying, georgia, give me a drink. No, I'm not drinking the drink that you drink. You probably have some ketamine in that thing. And it's like, well, that really came out of nowhere. And George is like, I've never been on drugs around you.

[Courtney]

I like that she says it that way too, by the way. I've never been on drugs around you

[Hayden]

and George.

[Courtney]

She is so honest.

[Mary]

I love her.

[Courtney]

A star. Georgia is the person that I'm like. I just know if I got up early in a New York morning and I saw Georgia walking probably home from the night out. She's carrying her shoes.

[Mary]

Oh, th percent.

[Courtney]

She's carrying her jacket. She's carrying her purse. And she's probably lost her phone. So she's on her iPad trying to get connection somewhere.

[Mary]

You know, she did lose her iPhone last season. I do remember that Riley did two, but she had a second one.

[Courtney]

Oh, my God. That's right when it. Remember when it bounced on the bounce house into the water?

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

But everyone's like, riley, let's get some water. Hey, do you want some pizza? Because they want to send her home. They want to just also try to ignore her. But she's gotten herself to such a point because. Because I do think she's awkward in this group. She doesn't know how to handle herself, so she drinks and she's probably maybe not eaten that much, but she's just gone over the edge of where it's like, it's not fun anymore. You're actually being a nuisance. But I just think about, like, God, we all had those nights at some point. She's just not a very good drunk.

[Mary]

I felt so bad for Georgia because everyone was helping out Riley. Ariana's going up to her, trying to give her water, making everyone drink water. So it's not like singling out Riley, getting her pizza. I mean, Amira jumps in. Everyone was protecting Riley in the moment when nobody was helping Georgia. And that bothered me.

[Courtney]

Well, I think at that point, though, it was like Georgia knew, too. Georgia doesn't need protecting. It's at the point where Riley was at is if you tell her, hey, stop going after Georgia. She's, like, going after her. I'm not going after her. What do you mean? I'm going after her. I'm not doing that. You just kind of have to ignore it a bit. But then Riley can't help herself. She's like, you couldn't even afford a Birkin. It's like, babe, neither can you. You have your mom's money.

[Mary]

There was just so many things. She was like, shut the hell up.

[Courtney]

Shut the hell up.

[Mary]

Shut up. And Riley puts her hands in Georgia's face at one moment. Then at the next moment, she's trying to throw a shot glass at her. I mean, this was truly insane, very inappropriate. And it bothered me that no one was supporting Georgia in the moment. Nobody was coming to help Georgia. Everyone was protecting Riley.

[Courtney]

Well, I think, though, it was because they're like, we're filming a show. This is on camera right now. You need to stop. I don't think Georgia needed protecting. I don't think Georgia thought that people were choosing Riley over her, because I think Georgia also was kind of like, it's cool. It's cool. Even with this shot glass, it's another New York night for her where it's like, just like, don't hit me in the face if you're gonna throw something. I also thought it was a piece of pizza. At first I thought she was chucking dough at her.

[Mary]

No, it was trying to throw a shot glass. I mean, Gia's like, whispering to Riley, like, I don't want you to look bad. You need to apologize right now.

[Courtney]

No, Riley's. She's rolling her eyes. Ariana's like, let's go to the bathroom. Let's go over here. They're trying to Meredith Marks, disengage. But it's not working. And there's only so much you can do. By the time they finally push her into an Uber to go home, it's like the damage has been done. Yes, it's sad because you know she's gonna reflect so poorly, like, when she watches this episode and, you know she has, like, the hang anxiety the next day about what happened, but do you

[Mary]

think she even has remorse? I mean, I felt like at the end she was mad at Ariana for not getting her out of the situation.

[Courtney]

I think she has remorse because I think she knew it went too far. And instead of taking accountability for her, she wants to blame the people around her because I'm sure that they do have this understanding with each other. Like you said, like, you're supposed to protect me, like I would do for you. And also, like Ariana, you were sober. It's like she can't remember what happened, so she doesn't even realize how much the girls were trying to help her, how much they were trying to make her not look dumb and, like, get out of the situation. And unfortunately for her, she can't remember these details. So her going off on Ariana later in the episode was like, this is so unwarranted. I thought Ariana handled it perfectly, though, when she was like, I'm sorry you feel that way. You said last week you didn't think she was gonna like how she'd come off. Off from this episode, and you, I have to assume, would be correct.

[Mary]

No, I just didn't like how she came at Ariana at the end and the entire table was trying to protect her. And I feel like she is not taking accountability. And actually, her text to Georgia was underplayed.

[Courtney]

She. She's like, lucky that Georgia was so nice about the response. Read it out for us.

[Mary]

Hey, I understand things got dramatic and drawn out the other night. I want to take accountability for my part. I was never going to get physical with you. There's nothing to worry about. Hope we can move forward from this.

[Courtney]

Bitch, I.

[Mary]

That's not a good apology, if you ask.

[Courtney]

Read it one more time for me, please.

[Mary]

Hey, I understand things got dramatic and drawn out the other night. I want to take accountability for my part. I was never going to get physical with you. There's nothing to worry about. Hope we can move forward from this.

[Courtney]

So not a single sorry. Take accountability for my part. What did Georgia do, exist?

[Mary]

I just. I can't imagine if you don't remember the night that you wouldn't Be calling people and saying, tell me exactly what happened and running through every single detail, and then be on a apology tour to every single person there and be horrified and embarrassed. And it feels like she is just, like, passing the blame. She is trying to say, ariana, you didn't have my back. You should have got me out of. Of that situation. I was too drunk, and I should have been eliminated. Maybe you shouldn't have drank that much. You are the person that came after Georgia, and Georgia kept her cool. You put her hands in her face. You pretended to throw a shot glass

[Courtney]

at her when she said, pretend. I don't know that that wouldn't have happened because I don't think she was in the right state of mind. It's like, it really is just. God, thank God we didn't have cameras. Thank God I was not in a reality show in my 20s. Jesus. Right?

[Mary]

I also feel like Candy was like, you get your ass home this weekend. This is. I'm hearing on Tick Tocks that you're trying to fight people last night, like, you're coming back to Atlanta today.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Candy was not happy with that. I also don't remember this happening, like, at the time, but I keep thinking, too was like, oh, my God, it is bad because they're outside, there's people around recognizing who people are, and it's like, ugh. You really do have eyes on you at all times.

[Mary]

They really do. Now do you think she will drink on camera again?

[Courtney]

Yes.

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[Courtney]

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[Mary]

I don't know.

[Courtney]

I think there's also, like, you mentioned this protection thing and, like, getting the details and figuring out what's going on. I assume that did happen off camera and was like, this was your bad. But she doesn't want to take the accountability. She'll only take it for her part against the entire thing. Because I think at one point Georgia might have tried to be, like, kind of push it, like, look straight. And then Amir was like, please don't. So I'm like, okay, so we want to talk about, like, what Georgia did. I think it's that also the existing part. So I guess that is Georgia's fault. Riley, even in her confessional, she says. Says she's not allowed to grow up without eyes on her.

[Mary]

I hate to say it. She is the person that says, my mom is Candi Burruss. And I. This comes up to me because Rowan is the person that says, like, Brook

[Courtney]

Shields is my mom, not my mama's Brooke Shields.

[Mary]

Exactly.

[Courtney]

Yeah. The Birkin comment was yucky because you girls all make money. You guys are influencers. You're doing these ads. I don't doubt that there are money in your pocket. You're on this show. You're getting a salary. But even the other girls will be like, actually, like, I can't afford a Birkin either. Like, they're like, I. I don't think I should cheer them this either, because I can't afford the Birkin. And then, like, Rowan's kind of like, well, I could.

[Mary]

Well, also, Rowan looks really old, too. Do you know what I mean? Like, she looks like she could be in her 30s.

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[Mary]

They appear old. Do you agree? I'm not saying they look bad. That's not what I'm saying.

[Courtney]

They have a mature.

[Mary]

Yeah, they appear older than they are. Like, I feel like in the 80s, people looked a lot older. Like, you would watch, like, Adventures in Babysitting, and she's a beautiful woman, but she looks like she was 40, right? Do you agree?

[Courtney]

I didn't watch that show.

[Mary]

Oh, but a lot of people, they looked a lot older than they actually were. That's how I feel.

[Courtney]

Like, this.

[Mary]

This group is.

[Courtney]

Okay, so they're mature. Yeah, she looks like 24 to me.

[Mary]

Okay. I feel like me and her could pass through the same age.

[Courtney]

I. Wait, who?

[Mary]

Me and Rowan?

[Courtney]

You and Rowan are the same age?

[Unknown Male Hiker]

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[Courtney]

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[Brooke Devard]

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[Courtney]

We're more like twins. The Parent Trap, starring Rowan Shields and Mary Mahoney.

[Mary]

You guys, I'm. I'm not saying I look young. I'm not.

[Courtney]

I think you are. I think you're saying you could pass for 22

[Mary]

sometimes. I'm at the park, and they're. They're like, no, that must be the babysitter.

[Unknown Male Hiker]

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[Courtney]

They're like, oh, is this your younger brother? You're like, yes. I'm just a young girl on summer break. They call me Summer Mary. What do you mean you're just a. You're just a young girl taking her younger brother to the park. Don't. Don't let them get to you. Young girl. You have so much life to live. Let's take a break and come back.

[Unknown Male Hiker]

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Yeah. No, I don't need to.

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[Courtney]

Whoa.

[Unknown Male Hiker]

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[Mary]

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[Mary]

Okay, let's talk about Liam and Ariana. I thought this was a cute little date.

[Courtney]

Okay, this episode, I was like, ariana, please. I felt like Hudson looked like such a dork.

[Mary]

Wait, I didn't realize how rich he was. Like, there was something about him getting off that pj and then he has his driver and then his friend that's his business manager business. But also, it's like his exact same age, which is so silly to me.

[Courtney]

That's my business partner, Dan. I'm like, what business? I thought the clothing went under. Now he is the Zaxby's heir. I assume there is money in the chicken.

[Mary]

They're definitely. I knew they were really rich, but to me, I feel like the first season they were stressed out about moving to New York and their rent. And then I'm like, he just took a PJ and has a driver picking him up from the tarmac.

[Courtney]

He was never worried about the rent. It was Ariana who wanted to contribute to the rent so that she didn't feel like he was taking care of her. That boy is not worried about a dollar forever.

[Mary]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And.

[Courtney]

But he was a dork this week when he's like, oh, you're gonna come up to my ex girlfriend. Liam owes you nothing. And if I'm Ariana, I don't know what I'm going with Liam.

[Mary]

I wish she went for Liam. I feel like they were vibing. I thought it was so cute he came over. He is trying attempting to build the bookshelf. She makes pumpkin chocolate pumpkin bread.

[Brooke Devard]

It was.

[Mary]

But I also think it had some banana in there.

[Courtney]

So banana chocolate pumpkin bread.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

It was a interesting loaf of bread. Not to be outdone by Brooks hundredth sourdough loaf. I'm like, brooks, get a new hobby, okay? We cannot be cooking more sourdough. We need a storyline. Besides the fact that the line has to come out at some point, I

[Mary]

don't even think it's out yet.

[Courtney]

I don't think so either. And isn't it the summer line I just resort wear? Well, I will. Spring, summer, September.

[Mary]

I will say, I loved the conversation with Meredith in the phone. I thought she's like, I mean, come on. I just got a text from Angie K. And disengaging is not about avoiding conflict or communication. It is about timing and not walking away in Brooks's life. Like, oh, so I've just been disassociated.

[Courtney]

We love a self aware king.

[Mary]

He also is very image obsessed. And I like how shy calls it out. I was like, he doesn't want to film with Charlie because he doesn't want to detain his brand.

[Courtney]

But that's also understandable. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to hang out with the crypto kidnapper. When you put it out there, it makes sense. So I wish he would just say that of like, I don't want to associate with someone who might have kidnapped and tortured a crypto bro.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Plain and simple. Yes, I'd agree with that. That would be fine. But I do think that we do need him to be doing something.

[Carter's Advertiser]

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[Courtney]

He almost feels like he's just this side character now that's on there because we need some Meredith Marks scenes.

[Mary]

Agreed. Agreed. But I still enjoy him.

[8 Sleep Advertiser]

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[Mary]

Oh.

[Courtney]

I still want him there. I just want him to be doing more like Liam. Liam is doing a lot to try to get to Ariana. He doesn't even know what happened at girls night because he was connecting with her at girls night. He was crushing. He can't build. They've got a task rabbit coming on too, but they can eat some bread. And he's inviting her to his family's house. She's like, oh, my God, upstate. He's like, no, Upper west side.

[Mary]

I thought this was very sweet. He's like, hey, it's my birthday. I'm basically gonna have a couple friends over. Do you want to come? My parents are hosting a d. You can bring your roommate and, well, and

[Courtney]

the rest of the cast. It's gonna be filmed for the show, so come on over and bring everyone with you.

[Mary]

I'm excited to meet his parents because I feel like Liam is very well rounded.

[Courtney]

Yes. He's a volunteer firefighter. He's an actor. He's a snowboarder. He rides horses. He does motorcycles. He's got it all. He's your renaissance man, Mary.

[Mary]

I know. And when Hudson's like, you think she is going from this to horseback riding? Absolutely not. I'm like, she's pretty into it, actually. Hudson. I'm kind of upset this week that they are together in real time.

[Courtney]

I know because I was like, well, do I think she's going from that to that? I do. And I wish she. I feel bad because obviously Ariana talked about Hudson going through a lot over the past summer, and it's really hard. You can't help who you love, you know? But I do want her to have her whole face.

[Mary]

Well, I think we are watching the whole phase this season, apparently is going to hook up with Liam. Maybe Charlie, we don't really know. But I will say when Shy was like, trying to muster up the energy. Am I going to tell him? He's gone through so many people. He asked Rowan, he asked Ava, he asked Charlie. Do I need to tell Hudson? Are we boys now? Are we close enough? Should I tell him about the Liam situation? And he's trying to get out the words and then Charlie just comes up. So he's trying to fuck your ex girlfriend.

[Unknown Male Hiker]

It.

[Mary]

And he's like, am I gonna look like the bad guy again this season?

[Courtney]

Oh, God. I mean, Charlie does have a way with words.

[Mary]

He does.

[Courtney]

He's so Charlie. So Charlie, Shy is so funny because I think he's feeling a little guilt that he texts Ariana. And I think that's why he wanted to tell Hudson was like, no, no, like, my allegiance is to you because, like, I'm not going to be with Ariana. And so I feel like he was overcompensating to say something. Even though every person said, maybe don't. Maybe don't say anything. Maybe just say something to Ariana. But, like, don't say anything. And he's like, oh, but I can't. I can't because he's like on the Truman show and he, like, doesn't understand what's happening.

[Mary]

You're so right.

[Courtney]

Speaking of another show that they didn't know, though. Like, you guys don't know what the Rocky Horror Picture show is. I'm like, amira, you think it's about Sylvester Stallone? Rocky. Oh,

[Mary]

wait, we didn't even talk about Amira and Georgia at the beginning of this. Talking about the Kevin situation.

[Courtney]

Rewind.

[Mary]

When she's saying, oh, her grubby little hands were on him. That made me giggle. Because, I mean, we know they are grubby. She doesn't wash her hands.

[Courtney]

They're unwashed. Yeah, she's just speaking from an observation fact.

[Mary]

Right? And then Emira is hearing that Charlie told Georgia about this, and originally she thought it was from the Gay Grapevine,

[Courtney]

which technically I guess it was, though, because it was Cooper and Amira's assistant, both gay.

[Mary]

I don't know where they are.

[Courtney]

On the grape vine they heard it through the grapevine Honey, honey, oh, won't you be mine Whoa, whoa I don't know if those are the lyrics, but let's just go with it. Anyways, what's your take on this? Because I think Amir Is freaking out for nothing. I don't think she was being overly flirty with him. I think Amir has a little bit of an insecurity with other women. Talking to Kevin.

[Mary]

Yeah, I think this was really not a big deal. I can't imagine someone trying to steal your boyfriend right in front of you. But I don't know. I guess Amanda did that.

[Courtney]

Yeah, it does happen. And that was in New York City as well, so it could be something in the water. Yuck. That's her brand.

[Mary]

It is.

[Courtney]

No, I know, but Amir is like, I'm gonna have to talk to Charlie about that. And then I was thinking, because Amir is really the only one who's ext an olive branch to Charlie, and she's like, and then you're gonna betray me? But, you know, Charlie's going to be like, was that a secret? No, I just thought you wanted Jordan to know, like, lay off your man.

[Mary]

And then next week, Amira seems like she's done with Charlie.

[Courtney]

They probably all should be. I mean, he was in the room where it happened. The room where it happened. The room where it happened. And now I like Charlie as. As a TV character, as a villain, as it just, like, says it like it is. I don't want to be friends with him either.

[Mary]

Right, but you want to watch him.

[Courtney]

Of course I want to watch him, because there's something about him that's so Charlie. But he's a terrible person.

[Mary]

Well, we know he needs this show, too, because he needs the money.

[Courtney]

He does need the money, because there could be a court case. He can't really talk about it.

[Mary]

Let's talk about Georgia and her sweet cousin Gordon getting the massages. This was such a sweet moment, and I feel like she really got to open up to us. I have battled with depression on and off. Went into a facility for my ED and this is all while I was having this breakup. I appreciate her sharing this whole story, and you can tell she's, like, a little bit, like, embarrassed about sharing it, too. That's hard to open up about. And her cousin and her were so sweet. And then they started talking about aliens and how their moms think they were abducted by aliens. And this actually explains so much about Georgia.

[Courtney]

I was literally going to say, this is so Georgia. So Georgia, yes. Georgia is just. She really is an open book. She really will tell you everything, dirty hands and all. She's not afraid to tell you the truth. She is afraid of a bathroom sink. I just keep thinking how she's like, yeah, my boyfriend stopped washing his Hands as much because of me. Like I said, that's the prize. Yeah.

[Mary]

Just need a hand, sanitizer, wine. I agree.

[Courtney]

Come on, Purell, Give her the collab.

[Mary]

Yes, yes.

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[Courtney]

We need that for Georgia. I want Georgia to win.

[Mary]

I do too.

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[Mary]

She's my personal favorite on this show. And then I would say next is Ariana. And of course, Liam.

[Courtney]

Of course.

[Mary]

I want to know more about Rowan because we're friends, right?

[Courtney]

You have that telepathy that the twins have. Like, what's she doing right now?

[Mary]

Right now she's working on a tick tock.

[Courtney]

Oh, boom. Okay, so the girls are all getting ready for Rocky Horror Picture Show. They're going to go to that, which. I love, a Rocky Horror Picture Show. I want to go see it on Broadway way. The cast is really good. I don't know if it's still there, but it was like Rachel Dratch, Luke Evans, Stephanie Sue. Juliet Lewis was in it.

[Mary]

You're a big musical girl. You go with your mom often.

[Courtney]

I do. I love a musical. We saw Phantom of the Opera last week. Nothing better than seeing people who have talent while you don't have any. That's for another pod. Okay, so where do they go from here? Because Riley, she's got to go home to Atlanta. She's in timeout.

[Mary]

I feel like we're not gonna see much more of Riley.

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[Mary]

I think she's gonna kind of fade into the distance. I have a feeling, because even her and Ariana talking about their friendship, they're both like, we kind of jumped into this friendship really fast. And it looks like they're kind of pulling back the reins.

[Courtney]

Do you think that, though? Because I don't think that Ariana is. I think Ariana's going through her own stuff with a breakup and the move and the new season and that it's almost like Riley's putting up a boundary so that she can blame Ariana for why they're not as close as they once were.

[Mary]

I feel like Riley is definitely, like, pulling things back, and she's openly talking about that in her confessionals. So I just have a feeling Riley's gonna go home and kind of take a step back because she's not liking the direction that she's gonna be portrayed well.

[Courtney]

But there's nothing worse too, though, than already feeling like maybe you're an outcast of the group and then you do something stupid like, well, I don't want to admit fault and show vulnerability to this group because they're Going to take advantage of that and like, where do I fit in? And so she's trying to find footing within this group. And it's like, Riley, all you have to do is band with this group and be against Charlie. Let Charlie be. I feel like he's fine with it too.

[Mary]

I know, I know. I'm worried for Riley.

[Courtney]

I also think too is like the core group of the Nepo housewife kids do like Riley, Brooks, Ariana, Gia. They have a pact with each other. I feel like they probably have a side group chat that's like, as the housewives of kids. And I think that just like, Riley is pissed that she got to that point and then doesn't want to show vulnerability.

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[Mary]

It's just hard because I don't think she owned the situation and she's not admitting her fault. So it's kind of hard to feel sorry for her.

[Courtney]

I know. I think if she went into that conversation with Ariana differently, things within the group would be different where she's like, I'm sorry, I took it too far. I'm embarrassed. I didn't feel like you were protecting me. But you hearing you were like, okay, you know, I want to forgive you in that because I was upset thinking you didn't. But now that I'm hearing that maybe it really was my fault because she should also be honest with Ariana, who I think has her back the most of this group.

[Mary]

No, I think she feels a little defensive right now and she feels like an outcast. So she's trying to cover her tracks and kind of blame other people, but it's not being well received.

[Courtney]

No tough kids these days.

[Mary]

Okay, on that note, I'll see you tomorrow.

[Courtney]

Okay, bye. Right.

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