TJG: Next Gen NYC S2 E5!

Summary

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Two Judgey Girls Podcast Summary

Episode: TJG: Next Gen NYC S2 E5!
Date: July 23, 2026
Hosts: Courtney (LA) & Mary (Bay Area)

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Episode Overview

This episode is a deep-dive recap and judgment of “Next Gen NYC” Season 2, Episode 5, “Brooklyn Horror Story,” centering on a single, drama-packed event: Rocky Horror Night in Brooklyn. Courtney and Mary discuss reality TV plotlines, generational cringe, betrayals (on and off the shows), social media fallout, and the ever-present chaos of “children” (aka the new Bravo reality stars) navigating their own scandals and relationships. The conversation is rich with classic TJG banter—irreverent, pop-culture-savvy, and laced with memorable quips.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Confession Corner: Who Knows Rocky Horror?

[02:27 - 07:00]

• Mary confesses she's never seen (or really understood) the Rocky Horror Picture Show, despite pretending otherwise for a week.
  • “I could just keep on faking it till you make it. But when the entire EP, it...I understood what Brooks Sparks was saying. You know, Rocky Mountain Chocolate Factory. I know that. And I know that well, I loved those candy apples.” – Mary [03:17]
  • Courtney is “crushed” and launches into a real-time Google shaming.
• Broader commentary on the cast’s cultural knowledge gaps.
  • “I worry about the youth sometimes. Because I'm literally like google.com. There are so many ways to Google things and figure out what it is.” – Courtney [04:21]
  • Tangent on the origins of Google Images (thanks, JLo’s Versace dress).
• Mary wants accolades for her honesty; Courtney dramatizes it as betrayal.
  • “Did they lie to their partner for over a week about it? It's the betrayal. It's the betrayal.” – Courtney [06:34]

Reality TV Betrayals: Southern Hospitality and Beyond

[07:00 - 11:19]

• Courtney breaks Bravo news: Joe Bradley has left Leva’s hospitality group for Uptown Hospitality Group (with a Southern Charm crossover).
  • Reads Joe’s Instagram announcement live [07:45-08:38].
• Discussion of cast’s authenticity (“Are they really still working at these restaurants?”) echoes VPR’s later seasons.
  • “Maybe they're doing something smart here...Just going to follow these people's lives.” – Mary [08:49]
  • “There’s more behind the scenes drama with Leva.” – Courtney [09:02]
• Side chat: Which cast members might remain, who has real “reality star” potential, and calling out fake connections.

Social Media and Housewives Drama

[11:43 - 15:19]

• Analysis of Lisa Barlow/Meredith Marks’ Instagram reactions to Whitney’s separation news.
  • “Partners in it all at Vita Tequila at John Barlow... and this is why they work.” – Courtney [12:04]
  • Meredith’s cryptic post gets a dramatic reading [12:52]:
    • “People who spread negativity about an aspect of someone else's life usually are insecure of that in their own life. 2026 has been a year of karma in so many different ways.”
• Speculation: Will these relationship dramas be featured in upcoming episodes?
• Predictions: Angie and Shawn’s troubles may emerge on RHOSLC; possible show curse at play.
• Side banter: Waikiki Justin thirst, white teeth tangents, analysis of Whitney & Justin’s “break” (is it a real storyline?).

Old-School Housewives Nostalgia

[17:14 - 19:14]

• Tinsley Mortimer living at Sonja’s—a throwback appreciated for absurdity and legit roommate drama.
  • “That was like, Tinsley genuinely really did live at Sonia's place for filming. And Sonja was holding that over her head and making her life hell.” – Mary [17:49]
• Theorizing about a “Mom’s Ultimate Girls Trip” special.

Watch What Happens Live + Audience Feedback Loops

[19:40 - 22:08]

• Recap of Kristen and Ariana’s WWHL appearance, Kristen’s shifting stance on Dani.
  • “If she's saying it now, then it's obvious. It's audience commentary and how she's on the wrong side.” – Courtney [20:19]
• Side rant: Luke’s lack of reality TV savvy (“freshman” energy) and green socks/red sweater crime.
  • “[Luke] is telling you exactly what he is thinking. He is not holding anything back...It’s kind of refreshing.” – Mary [21:21]

Brooklyn Event Deep-Dive: “Brooklyn Horror Story”

[31:53 - 36:10]

• Court-scathing on delays: Ariana and Gia still late to events—even as locals.
• Continuity confusion: Timeline hopping from Halloween to Urban Outfitters’ holiday party.
• Observations on Halloween “Mean Girls” moments: “They zoom in on this girl’s ass...full zoom to let you can be slutty tonight.” – Courtney [34:31]
• Georgia’s campaign to excommunicate Charlie—intention vs. outcome.

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Major Drama: Georgia, Charlie, Amira, and an Explosive Outing

[35:36 - 41:07]

• Georgia drops a bombshell on-camera: claims Charlie said Amira’s boyfriend is gay.
  • Context: Amira is trans; comment is deeply invalidating, makes her journey a storyline without consent.
  • “You saying this on camera is actually just devastating.” – Courtney [37:24]
• Immediate fallout: Amira shuts down, is angry at Georgia for bringing it public.
• Analysis:
  • Courtney criticizes Georgia’s motives—weaponizing a confidence due to hatred of Charlie.
    • “She’s been waiting to use this as ammo because she hates Charlie so much...Charlie denies this as the cameras are going. And I feel like in the aftershow he was kind of like, I might have said that.” – Mary [38:29]
  • Georgia alone in the aftershow—evidence she’s on the outs.
  • Take: This was for story/drama, but at real emotional cost to Amira.

Memorable Exchange

“Amira is trans. And so when you're saying my boyfriend is gay. You're invalidating her as a woman...so much more subtext to that statement.” — Courtney [36:44]

Side Rant:

Georgia’s social standing, “catching the germ,” and being judged by the group.

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“Our Kids”: Bravo Children, Social Media, and Relationship Cringe

[41:07 - 44:54]

• Charlie’s ability to weasel out of trouble—and similarities to Spencer Pratt/Scott Disick.
  • “He can improv well...[Charlie] honestly reminds me a bit of Spencer Pratt. They have a lot of similarities.” — Mary [42:58]
• The infamous “quasi threat” text:
  • “That was like, a quasi threat, in my opinion.” — Brooks [paraphrased, 43:08]
  • “Well, I'm quasi sorry.” — Charlie [43:09]
• Brooks and Charlie’s “two-faced” friendship.
• Breaking the fourth wall: referencing real-life Bravo scandals (e.g. Jen Shah, house husbands).

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Side Plots, Watchability, and Cast Dynamics

[48:00 - 55:10]

• Shai’s shirt mishap and confusion about alliances.
  • “I Genuinely think he heard that? Like, they were like, yeah, maybe…He heard something that didn’t happen.” — Mary [48:11]
• The “everybody wants Ariana” triangle (Hudson, Liam, Shai).
  • “Hudson has money, but Liam has heart.” — Courtney [49:57]
  • Mary fangirling over Liam: “He is just so adorable. I feel like he's so secure and confident in himself.” [49:59]
• Gia’s friction with Shai, calling out cast members, and who’s gone missing (Riley on “timeout”).
  • “We don't need Gia on the cast.” — Courtney [51:24]
  • Update: Ariana and Riley haven’t spoken since the last episode aired.
• “Parentification” of Bravo kids: Croy’s fallout with Kim, Ariana, and Brielle.
  • “Those girls will always consider them their dad. And I'm hoping that, you know, in maybe a couple years, they'll come back around.” — Mary [52:48]

Pigeon Interlude (Comic Relief)

• Georgia’s pigeon costume and odd pigeon PSA inserts.
  • “Did they film a random woman giving pigeon PSAs, or did they find a perfect YouTube video to splice in?” — Courtney [53:44]

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Reflections & Predictions

[54:17 - End]

• Will Georgia face consequences for her on-camera outing of Charlie?
  • “She used Amira's own journey of life against her to try to make her hate somebody else...You could have done that off camera.” — Courtney [54:38]
• Ongoing theme: Charlie as the show’s Teflon troublemaker—always escaping major consequences.
  • “At the end of the day, it's all Charlie's fault.” — Mary [55:10]
• Looking forward: Both hosts admit fascination with the group and anticipation for next week.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

Confession Corner / Betrayal:

• “It's the betrayal. And we've gone through a lot of betrayal on all of these shows...Mary.” — Courtney [06:34]

Cultural References:

• “Google Images literally exists because JLo wore that Versace dress…” — Courtney [04:21]
• “They zoom in on this girl’s ass...It’s a full zoom to let you can be slutty tonight.” — Courtney [34:31]

Major Drama:

• “You saying this on camera is actually just devastating.” — Courtney [37:24]
• “She’s been waiting to use this as ammo because she hates Charlie so much.” — Mary [38:29]

Comic Relief:

• “Hudson has money, but Liam has heart.” — Courtney [49:57]
• “Well, I'm quasi sorry.” — Charlie [43:09]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:27] — Mary confesses Rocky Horror ignorance/betrayal banter
• [07:05] — Bravo cast switch-ups; Southern Hospitality
• [11:43] — Housewives social media shenanigans, Salt Lake City drama
• [19:40] — WWHL recap: Kristen, Ariana, Dani situation
• [31:53] — Beginning of episode recap/Brooklyn party setup
• [35:36] — Georgia's outing of Charlie; Amira’s reaction (main drama)
• [42:56] — Brooks vs. Charlie confrontation; “quasi” apology
• [48:11] — Shai’s confusion, everyone chasing Ariana, Mary’s Liam crush
• [53:44] — Pigeon interstitials/pigeon costume banter
• [54:38] — Reflection on consequences for Georgia’s actions

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

• Sharp-witted, inside-baseball Bravo analysis mixed with sincere concern for the younger cast’s “Real Housewives” stakes.
• The hosts blend love for the shows’ absurdity with genuine critique of where reality TV can cross the line, especially regarding sensitive storylines.
• Ongoing motif: kids (literally and figuratively)—the new cast’s youthful ignorance, social cliques, and performative drama.
• Strong engagement for fans who want a blend of recap, pop-culture critique, and best-friend banter.

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Welcome back to two Judgy Girls. This is Mary from the Bay and

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[Mary]

This was an interesting episode because it was only one event. It was only Rocky Horror Night in Brooklyn, very far away from everyone. You guys, I have a confession.

[Courtney]

We're starting off.

[Mary]

Let's go. I didn't know what this was last week either. The Rocky Horror. I didn't. I did.

[Courtney]

Never seen Rocky Horror Picture Show.

[Mary]

I haven't. So I Google it, and I still have no idea what it is. I. I've never been a part of it. I. I am like these. I. I mean, Rowan and I are twins, so.

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[Courtney]

You as a teen mom.

[Mary]

I don't know anything about it, so I. I feel like a lot of it went over my head.

[Courtney]

You've been lying to me for over a week now.

[Mary]

I have. I. I thought this would, like, kind of go away and I could just keep on faking it till you make it. But when the entire EP it. I understood what Brooks Sparks was saying. You know, Rocky Mountain Chocolate Factory. I know that. And I know that. Well, I loved those candy apples. That is also so 90s. Like, in the mall. The candy apple. Rocky Mountain Chocolate Store. I loved those. Are this still around?

[Courtney]

There's one on Main street in Park City. I don't know if it's still there, but it was definitely there before, which I was laughing and, like, that's why he knows. Okay, so this is really disappointing because it stars one Susan Sarandon. It stars one Tim Curry. It stars Rip Meatloaf. It is so good. It is so camp. This is so disheartening. I'm crushed. When I watch my children on tv. These are my kids. I think.

[Mary]

I thought you were talking about All My Children, the soap opera that.

[Courtney]

No, I was more of a Days of Our Lives girly.

[Mary]

Me too.

[Courtney]

NBC over abc. Susan Lucci. Sorry. Anyways, when I watch my children on this show, I worry about the youth sometimes because I'm literally like google.com. google its own app. You know what? You don't want to use Google. Use Bing. You don't want to use Bing. Ask Jeeves. There are so many ways to Google things and figure out what it is. Google images literally exist because JLO wore that Versace dress, that one awards show. So now we have Google Images. So when you Google Rocky Horror Picture show and you click images, guess what? There are visuals.

[Mary]

So that's exactly what I did yesterday. Honestly, the visuals weren't that great. I'm being serious. Do it right now. And I think it's because it's so old.

[Courtney]

It's literally on Broadway right now. This show was filmed in Halloween, which I was thinking. I was like, I was actually in New York during this time last year. I wasn't invited to the frick.

[Mary]

You are not.

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[Courtney]

I. Which made me sad. This show. What's so funny about this show is like, they're. Most of them are all rich.

[Mary]

All of them are.

[Courtney]

They. They're some sort of wealth. Is there a poor person on this show? Maybe Ava, Georgia. Okay. But they think that they are just, like, the salt of the earth and their egos because they have money or they've been around rich people that they're so, like, cultured, and then they're like, never heard of this. Oh, like, there was an episode of Glee, which. Whatever. If Glee is your intro, watch it, Mary. It is so good. There are, like, midnight showings in big cities where it's, like, interactive. You bring props to go with the movie, the Broadway play. If we ever go to New York together, maybe I'll take you.

[Mary]

I wouldn't want to see this play.

[Courtney]

You don't even know what it's about. Exactly.

[Mary]

That's why I wouldn't want to see it. I'd much rather see Mamma Mia. Again.

[Courtney]

You are one of my children. Come on. Honestly, this. I'm upset.

[Mary]

I feel like you should praise me for being honest. I'm sure there's many other listeners that also have not seen Rocky Horror Picture Party Mountain, Chocolate Factory.

[Courtney]

Did they lie to their partner for over a week about it? It's the betrayal. It's the betrayal. Okay. And we've gone through a lot of betrayal on all of these shows, especially in the past few months, and so it cuts deeper. Mary.

[Mary]

I think I could have actually gotten away with not saying this and kept

[Courtney]

like, oh, you want me to praise you for your honesty after so long?

[Mary]

Yes, I do. That's what you should do. Exactly.

[Courtney]

I shan't wait. Before we get in, though, I want to talk about another betrayal.

[Mary]

Why?

[Courtney]

Okay. Because we keep wondering what's going to happen for season five of Southern Hospitality. What's going to happen?

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[Courtney]

Like, how do you not have Leva on this show? Joe Bradley has jumped ship to the rival hospitality group in Charleston, which looks like Craig might be a part of.

[Mary]

Oh, interesting.

[Courtney]

Is it going to be Southern hospitality and Leva is going to be replaced with Craig?

[Mary]

Maybe. So is he, like, working for. By the way.

[Courtney]

So he's working for, like, the hospitality group in general. He just posted this earlier today. Do you want me to read what he said?

[Mary]

I would love to hear about it.

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[Mary]

I like the hashtag. Okay, so maybe, I mean, I think what happened with Vanderpump Rules, obviously none of them actually worked there.

[Courtney]

What?

[Mary]

And the audience caught onto that, so maybe they're doing something smart here, like going to step away from pretending like they actually work there and just going to follow these people's lives.

[Courtney]

I think there's more behind the scenes drama with Leva, though, with Vanderpump Rules. When they didn't work at SIR Anymore, Lisa was still involved. There was still Tom. Tom. There were still, like, other avenues. Stassi became the event planner. Katie became her pseudo assistant. There was still ways that they were connected without working at SIR the restaurant itself. But this feels like there's behind the scenes drama with Leva, that they're all branching out, whether it's SIR Wieners having their brick and mortar now Joe going to the rival hospitality group, which another Southern charm star is involved with. Leva backing Emmy for a lot of it, who was clearly trouble last season. And as you said, not a lot of them are really working there. Although they do. Like, maybe Lake's not coming back because she seemed to be around. I see Leva keep posting like, Ali Luber. It's like, we don'. We don't need Allie. She also tried to be on, like, six other different reality shows, and that didn't land. She's not a reality star. She could read the stars with her astrology, but she's not stars or psychic.

[Mary]

Yeah, I think the people that potentially actually work there are sometimes. Sometimes Brad and tj. Emmy I heard had walked away.

[Courtney]

Like, she. Does she really work there? I feel like she was more at, like, bourbon and bubbles or like, Zachary's daiquiris. Molly was gone. Mia's gone. Julia, I feel like she could get promoted into the cast. She doesn't work there.

[Mary]

Justin feels like he never works. Him and Charlie are always traveling. Actually, their social media, they do a lot of social media together, and it's pretty obnoxious, I would say.

[Courtney]

It's so funny because when March Madness was going on and my sister was helping us, she said, oh, this guy's cute. This guy's funny. And then, like, she was, like, she was into Justin, and I was like, stop, stop.

[Mary]

I could see how you could physically be attracted to him. I. I do get that she thought

[Courtney]

he was funny too, though.

[Mary]

Well, he had, like, the Boston Irish thing going as well.

[Courtney]

Yeah, you love him.

[Mary]

But the social media has turned me off. I think it's obnoxious. I think it's annoying.

[Courtney]

Oh, but is it he just being a kid. Are all these people our kids?

[Mary]

I. Ah, fine.

[Courtney]

In what way is it obnoxious? Just tell me. Because it's too much. You're seeing too much of it.

[Mary]

I guess it's a little dorky. I mean, I think they're just trying to do the trends. Yeah. I think, like, Heather Dubrose is very dorky too.

[Courtney]

Oh, yeah. But I think when you embrace the cringe is when you accept that it's silly. Now, social media should be fun.

[Mary]

Totally. Wait, let's talk about Lisa Barlow and Meredith Marks on social media yesterday. And it felt like, well, Meredith Marks was addressing the Whitney separation. And then Lisa Barlow and John post this photo with Vita Tequila. And what was the caption on that one?

[Courtney]

Partners in it all at Vita Tequila at John Barlow. And someone commented on it and was like, I love that Lisa tags at Vita Tequila before John. And then he comments, I prefer it that way. And I'm like, and this is why they work. And then did you see that Jack also posted like, lisa, John going strong?

[Mary]

Yeah, I did. I did. He's. He's a cute kid.

[Courtney]

I love them. Like, now, is it just perfectly timed that it happened to accidentally go out during this? One may not know. Or is it subtle? Who knows? But Meredith's not subtle. A direct statement about what had gone down. Would you like me to read it for you? Yes, I sure would. Okay. It's ironic when you see everything that has been said about you manifest in the people who said it. Much more to come on this subject. But people who spread negativity about an aspect of someone else's life usually are insecure of that in their own life. 2026 has been a year of karma in so many different ways.

[Mary]

I mean, wow. Also, I just think it's so crazy that, you know, Angie's separation came out two or three Days ago. And literally the very next day, Whitney's comes out. I'm like, what are the odds of that? Can Angie have a moment?

[Courtney]

Give her a moment. I think she got 24, maybe 36 hours. Okay. But then I'm also like, who are the sources? Like, it's obviously coming from their camps. It's not like. Like, Paige isn't a dumois.

[Mary]

It makes me feel like we're getting a trailer very, very soon it will be a fall show. But I'm like, when's this trailer dropping? Because it feels like they are drumming up the drama. And I'm very curious, too, if this will be highlighted on the show.

[Courtney]

I was gonna ask if you think that we're gonna see now, are we gonna see things throughout the season, or were they purposely waiting till end of season? Are they trying to steal Barlow's spotlight? Because Ultimate Girls trip is coming, and they're like, no, no. Let me put myself out there so that happens. Or was it part of the storyline? We never know what's going on in Salt Lake City. They're very good about being closed lips and legs. Some maybe not. Who knows? Or is editing going back in now being like, let's see if we're looking at situations differently to see that. Actually, there's more pointedness towards the separation you can see is starting to fester, sister.

[Mary]

Okay. My prediction is that we're gonna see this with Angie and Shawn. I think that's gonna come to light. I think she's gonna have a pretty hard season as well. I mean, I remember those rumors of her and Mary, like, unfollowing each other.

[Courtney]

Not rumors. That was true.

[Mary]

That was confirmed. But them having a hard time. And it's like Mary is literally in the worst part of her life ever. Like, forgot. Come on. You know? So, I mean, obviously, we're going to be team Mary on that.

[Courtney]

And remember, she was calling out Angie for letting this show consume her and being somebody different and be like, that's not who Angie is. Was it yesterday that you said you'd heard that maybe the show was affecting it, their marriage?

[Mary]

I did. This was from Carlos King in Monica.

[Courtney]

That Monica. Oh, gosh.

[Mary]

It had gone to her head, and she had really changed. And this. The show was all consuming, which I can see. I can see that happening. So I do think we will see that. Justin and Whitney, I don't know. They really threw me by the Waikiki vacation we all went on.

[Courtney]

Okay, wait, Mary. Okay, so I saw some photos from the Waikiki vacation.

[Mary]

Sure.

[Courtney]

Justin was looking pretty good. He looked more svelte. His thighs were thick.

[Mary]

His teeth are great. He's so tall. You guys in real life, crack that

[Courtney]

teeth comment right now. That is blinding.

[Mary]

Yeah, I like that.

[Courtney]

That's true. You do have perfectly white teeth after leaving on your strips for 30 plus hours.

[Mary]

I love a good white teeth. I also think Whitney and Justin are going to be, like, taking a break and I think they will come back

[Courtney]

together because it's a fake storyline.

[Mary]

I don't know about that, but I do think they will end up being okay. Now.

[Courtney]

Will something happen with her and Bronwyn?

[Mary]

No. Oh, I mean, you. Do you still think Bronwyn and Todd are not getting divorced or separated and they're going to come back together?

[Courtney]

Yeah, I do. Who's. Who's affording her lifestyle? She's still wearing very expensive brand new designer. She's still going on trips with Todd. They're very much in each other's life.

[Mary]

When. When did she go on a trip with Todd?

[Courtney]

She's gone to Paris with Todd. He's been in the background, like six months ago. They were. That boyfriend's gone now. I feel like he was just for this show.

[Mary]

So my prediction is that Bronwyn will have to get an Airbnb in Salt Lake City to pretend that she lives there because there's no point in her living there anymore.

[Courtney]

Oh, and did they sell their house finally? Is it sold? I. I don't know.

[Mary]

I just. I don't think there's any point in her staying in Salt Lake.

[Courtney]

Maybe her and Meredith can rent together in New York in Salt Lake City for the next season.

[Mary]

Remember when Tinsley moved into Sonja's place

[Courtney]

And Luann, they don't make them like they used to.

[Mary]

That was like, Tinsley genuinely really did live at Sonia's place for foaming. And Sonia was holding that over her head and making her life help. Tinsley moved in. Sonja was like the mother and she was supposed to help her rehab. Tinsley's image, which is genuinely psychotic.

[Courtney]

Maybe like season three Sonja, like, Scary Island Sonja, when, like, the head was still screwed on straight, would have made more sense, but at that point it was like the blind leading the blind. And Tinsley knew that too. I do think Tinsley actually had come out that she was living at a hotel at the time and it was part of the storyline was her living at Sonia's to, like, bring her in.

[Mary]

Well, remember then she moved to the hotel and then she got Sonia a room at the Hotel and then the

[Courtney]

gift card for $5,000 as, like, a

[Mary]

gesture and a thank you. Yeah. Oh, God, that was so good.

[Courtney]

Should we, like, go back and watch it later today just to feel something?

[Mary]

Maybe. I love Tinsley so much.

[Courtney]

Do you think she's gonna pop up on Ultimate Girls Trip? I would love to see Tins.

[Mary]

I don't. No.

[Courtney]

Not even at Bluestone Manor?

[Mary]

No.

[Courtney]

I'm just so glad she got her happy ending.

[Mary]

I think we get her mom Dale before her. Yeah.

[Courtney]

Guys, I would not mind a Mom's Ultimate Girls triple pat.

[Mary]

Dale.

[Courtney]

Mama Joyce.

[Mary]

What's Heather's mom's name? Heather's mom?

[Courtney]

Yeah, Heather. What's Bronwyn's mom's name? Muzzy. Yeah, throw her in there. I think there could be a mom's trip and it's, like, chaos. Oh, think about it. Just think about it.

[Mary]

Okay, I'm. I'm thinking about it. Okay.

[Courtney]

I wanted to talk about Watch what happens live last night because Ariana and Kristen were on it, and I said yesterday that I thought Kristen would be changing her tune if the audience wants her to, and guess what? She changed her tune on it. It hasn't been Janet yet, but that'll be soon enough. But. Oh, all of a sudden, now she doesn't condone Dani's behavior because she hadn't seen the episodes, and when people were telling her everything that was happening, she was blind to it. But now she's seen the light, everyone.

[Mary]

She's definitely walking it back with the Dani situation. I'll be curious if she does that at the reunion.

[Courtney]

That's what I was gonna ask. And I'll give her a little more credibility if she does at the reunion when she's seen all these episodes. If she's saying it now, then it's obvious. It's audience commentary and how she's on the wrong side if at the reunion. I will give her a plus one for that.

[Mary]

Yeah, I just. I don't know how she's gonna walk back the Janet situation, though.

[Courtney]

The thing is, is I'm like, you guys don't have to be friends. We don't need you to be friends, but you need to coexist and you need to not have an alliance against her, and that's on Janet's side, too. You guys need to come to a truce where you're just on the cast and you're on the cast together. Now. Did you watch the after show?

[Mary]

I did.

[Courtney]

Okay.

[Mary]

I

[Courtney]

hate Luke when Danny is even side eyeing you in the after show. That's a problem. When he was like, yeah, I was gonna give it like a year, 15 months. And if Kristen didn't change, I was out of There

[Mary]

is actually amazing reality TV because he's telling you exactly what he is thinking. He is not holding anything back. He is verbalizing how he feels and it's just like talk about a freshman. You know, this is his third season.

[Courtney]

Mary I But talk about a freshman.

[Mary]

Like he isn't getting it.

[Courtney]

He was held back two years.

[Mary]

He isn't getting it. And it's kind of. It's honestly, it's kind of refreshing. I. I will give him that.

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saying this out loud. A la Kristen who is changing her complete tune because she reads the comments. Luke is still sitting in this. He's being himself.

[Courtney]

To be fair, Kristen is in the after show too. We'll see if Luke has changed his tune after the fact in this after show. This stupid outfit he's wearing.

[Mary]

I freaking hate it.

[Courtney]

It's a red sweater and he's got green socks on and I just. How to dare you? How dare you. Green socks with a red sweater.

[Mary]

Do you think it was filmed around the holidays?

[Courtney]

No, I don't. And I just seeing that I was like. And this is the kind of man you are.

[Mary]

I will say that Zach did address also that they might adopt.

[Courtney]

Yes, yes. For Zach and Benji. I want you guys to figure it out. You seem to really love each other and if kids is the breaking factor, you really can't go on that much longer because it's just not fair to either of you. But if you you're open to it and you're going more towards that then excited for you guys. There's nothing worse than finding the love of your life and then realizing that you don't align on things and that you either have to compromise your own integrity and what you want in life or you have to lose that person and it's compromise either way.

[Mary]

I feel like Zach is going to come around.

[Courtney]

I think so too.

[Mary]

After the. After watching the after show, that's kind of what I came to.

[Courtney]

I didn't know need to know about Janet Sharding. Is that where you were going? We gotta talk about that.

[Mary]

Janet told this elaborate story about her and Jason eating mushroom chicken on the couch and she her pants and Jason being the man that he is, he cleaned it up on the couch after she was wearing silk pajamas.

[Courtney]

I don't know why she told the story by the way. It's like Danny offering to us that he's six years porn free. Janet's like, did Jason tell you about my sharding story? No, he. But feel free to tell it. And you could just see Michelle is like wanting to turtle into her own body. Please stop talking about this. She's like, and it's on the same couch we still own. Michelle is like, oh, God, like, can I be paired with somebody else, please?

[Mary]

Michelle and Jesse didn't even shit in the same toilet. You know, that's how Michelle is. Yeah.

[Courtney]

Michelle goes to the Starbucks across the street.

[Mary]

Of course she's a lady.

[Courtney]

And then they start going into shit. Oh, have you ever lifted the toilet seat? My like, stop talking about this shit.

[Mary]

It was so, so strange. I will say it was also interesting to hear Tom talk about Kiana and if he would get married again and feels like he would if that's what Kiana wants. And he's met the parents. They seem cute. I feel like everyone's rallying for them. It feels like everyone likes her. Would she be a part of next season if he was to come back?

[Courtney]

I think she would. It's weirdly like it doesn't feel like she's with him for the fame. So she like actually likes him.

[Mary]

I think so. I think it feels genuine.

[Courtney]

Huh. Well, yeah. She must be an old soul. Or he's got a young one. Well, should we take a break and then come talk about the show? About the show that you don't even know?

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[Mary]

This episode was called Brooklyn Horror Story.

[Courtney]

The fact that Ariana and Gia were so late when she has moved to Brooklyn now.

[Mary]

Oh, my gosh, I didn't even think about.

[Courtney]

You're so much closer and you're still so you missed the whole show.

[Mary]

I mean, as a city person, myself,

[Courtney]

and a perpetually late person, when something

[Mary]

is across town, it is tough to get to. Like, it can, say, three miles. That could take an hour.

[Courtney]

Well, you usually time it.

[Mary]

Well, there's a lot of things that can come into play. Like, for instance, two lights could be down on the way. That happened to me on Sunday on the way to the museum.

[Courtney]

Mary has a laundry list of excuses to pull out when she's late. Like, oh, God, there was. Oh, this wind. It wouldn't move.

[Mary]

That was true. That happens too.

[Courtney]

Uhhuh.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Add it to your list.

[Mary]

When you get behind. There's so many Waymos in San Francisco. So when you get behind 5, they're extra slow. As on 10 minutes of time. Put it on the list. Okay.

[Courtney]

They start talking about Halloween. It was throwing me off because I'm like, hold on. We just had an Urban Outfitters holiday party. I thought we were at Christmas time. You guys are telling me we're at Halloween time? We've gone back in time. Also part of Rocky Horror Adventure show, but we've gone back in time. No, the party apparently was a week before this Halloween party. But it was a holiday campaign.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

You know I hate my continuity errors, Right?

[Mary]

That's fine. That one. That one's fine. Because they had to get the photos for the holiday.

[Courtney]

I know, but I'm just thinking we're in July, and this is filmed in October. We're almost a year. And yet they were able to push O.C. out so quickly. We're filming in 2026 in O.C.

[Mary]

oh, yeah, that is a good point.

[Courtney]

I'm just saying. Love Island. They put it out the day after. We need to be f. Sure.

[Mary]

I. I'd agree with. You need to be faster. I will say, I wonder how fast they'll get out this next summer house.

[Courtney]

It's usually February, March, but maybe they'll do January. Okay, but. So they're all talking about Halloween, and they're like mean girls in it. You know, it's the one night of the year that you can dress like a total and Nobody can say anything. But the predators are so rude because there's this group walking. They're kind of doing some B roll about Halloween. And they zoom in on this girl's ass. I noticed that she's got a tutu, a thong, and some fishnets. And it's a full zoom to let you can be slutty tonight.

[Mary]

I, I did notice that ass.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary]

I, I, it's replaying in my head right now.

[Courtney]

I know. And I'm thinking, like, it probably was just a sign. Like if you walk past this, you might be included in filming. And I wonder if she watches the show.

[Mary]

I don't think she does. Okay, good.

[Courtney]

Or someone texts her, is this your ass? If the ex wants to get back with her, he's like thinking of you, sends a photo. You know, we got to do a three way call because Brooks doesn't know what this is and neither does Chloe, but Meredith does. And George has got to be involved because she wants to be an honorary marks because note to self, she loves Seth.

[Mary]

I kind of love that. She's like, I like screenshot it. And then they're like playing Seth. Like, nobody wins with confrontation. I, I really love Georgia so, so much. Like, I really do adore her. But the way this came at the end of the episode, I was like, oh, no, Georgia, why did you go there?

[Courtney]

Let's just talk about it. Because obviously Georgia wants Charlie excommunicated from the group. And to be fair, I feel like a lot of them do want to have nothing to do with him in the filming aspect, but because he keeps recruiting people to his cult, Georgia is like, no, as an ex member, don't join. And she's like, okay, if that didn't work with Amira, because he was the one that told me it wasn't the gay grapevine. I gotta come with the ammunition. I gotta tell her exactly what he really said.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

And she tells Emira, by the way. And I don't support this. This, I don't support it. But I do need to tell you on camera that he thinks your boyfriend's gay.

[Mary]

I know it. I felt so bad for Amira in this moment. And she just completely shuts down. She's like, camera's off. I am done. We are out of here. She is pissed. And in the after show, she is pissed actually at Georgia more than Charlie, which is kind of crazy too.

[Courtney]

The tldr of it, and she's open about on her social media, is that Amira is trans. And so when you're saying my Boyfriend is gay. You're invalidating her as a woman. And so as soon as she said that, my stomach dropped for her. Because she hasn't talked about it on the show. Because she doesn't need to talk about it on the show unless she wants to talk about it on the show. But there's just so much more subtext to that statement. And so George is saying that to be like, you shouldn't talk to Charlie anymore. Actually, the person you're hurting here is Amira. To put this on camera, to make this now a storyline to turn her against Charlie. And while she might do that, you saying this on camera is actually just devastating.

[Mary]

Opening up a can of worms. And now she has to talk about it. And it is a storyline.

[Courtney]

Well, and that's why there's the whole thing of, like, don't shoot the messenger because, like, the messenger gets shot. So, Georgia, you're going to get in trouble for this. Because also, by the way, Georgia, how long ago did he say this? And why are you holding on to this to use this? Because the other things didn't work. And it's like, did you tell Charlie? You don't support that too? I. I just picture. Then I'm gonna say this is all an alleged thing, but I just picture them. They've gone out for a night, and I feel like they'd have these like, quote, unquote deep conversations at like 4am and they talk about all of this stuff and that they were actually fully in agreement on everything until she broke up with Omar. And then once he became public enemy number one for Georgia, then it was like, actually everything he said, I'm gonna put it out there, even though I was a part of all of those conversations.

[Mary]

You have a very vivid story there. I feel like they were hungover as on the couch where Georgia lived when

[Courtney]

she lived with him.

[Mary]

Yes, okay. Exactly, exactly. And Charlie just like spewed this out. And then I feel like Georgia's probably like, you definitely don't say that. That is so wrong. And I hope she stuck up for Amira in that moment. But clearly she's been waiting to use this as ammo because she hates Charlie so much and she wants to expose him. Charlie denies this as the cameras are going. And I feel like in the after show, he was kind of like, I might have said that.

[Courtney]

He denies it. But then also, like, what I think I don't always say out loud. He, like, said that also. So I'm like, charlie, you said it. You could have been blacked out. You could have been fucked up when you said it. I wouldn't put that past you, but that doesn't mean that you didn't say it. Charlie has a really good way of. Of moving things along. I mean, where should my line with Charlie be? It should have been the crypto torture, right? The kidnapping part should have been like that. But this, to me, I was like, this is so gross because I'm just pissed that this is a storyline now because that's not fair to Amira. There's so many other things to be mad about with Charlie. And not only that is like literally hours before Amira has called Georgia a cunt because they have to take an Uber together from the frick to this party and she doesn't want Kevin sitting next to that fucking cunt. And so it's like you are not even on good footing with Amira right now. And that's like a little bit of awareness that Georgia lacks is realizing what her relationships are with everybody. And so I'm just pissed that she did that to Amira because Amira didn't deserve that. And it's just bullshit because it's. This is a silly little show about our kids, you know, and even though there's a crypto torture scandal involved in it, which. Fine, I will answer all the questions that people have right now. Go ahead, ask me. So why did you do it? Were you involved? Can't answer that. Press conference over.

[Mary]

I'm really, really curious how Amira will handle this with Georgia because Georgia definitely needs to get heat for bringing this. This as a storyline. I hope they also, like, kind of break the fourth wall on it. Like, why would you bring this to the cameras? Why didn't you have a private conversation with me? I don't think Amira and George are in a good place right now because Amira says Georgia is a germ. You can't avoid her. You are going to catch her eventually and sometimes she might make you sick.

[Courtney]

Well, it should also be telling too, that Georgia in the after show is by herself.

[Mary]

Yes, exactly. Exactly. I like Georgia. I'm so upset that she did this because this is going to cause a big problem within the group.

[Courtney]

Totally.

[Mary]

And I think Charlie will deny it all season.

[Courtney]

It's almost like he's like, well, yeah, I probably did say that. But Char, Char, who's his alter ego, when he's fucked up, like what Char. Char says and what Charlie says, two different things. Amir, you know I love you. I love Kevin.

[Mary]

I don't even think he said it up, up that's the bad part about it.

[Courtney]

Okay, well, I'm just. I mean, because Georgia tries to give him an out. Maybe you don't remember saying it. Also, the fact that Charlie is at this event wearing a bulletproof vest is just, like, so apropro for what's coming, because he was getting it from all angles at this party. Because nobody likes Charlie. Brooks and Charlie, because I've been saying, brooks, just tell him you don't want to film with me. You don't want to be his friends because of this. But Brooke sang a few months prior. Once the dust settles and we're done filming, we can hang again.

[Mary]

Well, it's also like, I love. I love when Ava was, like, your mom literally filmed with Jen Shaw. And nobody thinks that your mom was involved in that. It's the exact same thing. Brooks. And also, Brooks, you're not that big, buddy. Like, you need the show to sell your imaginary line. That is still not out.

[Courtney]

Have they gotten it from the warehouse yet?

[Mary]

Don't take yourself too seriously. You're on this show to promote your business, and you don't even have a business to promote.

[Courtney]

Okay? I mean, a fashion show without fashion. How dreadful. Their fight was funny. Because the thing is, is Charlie's actually a very smart guy. Like, I think he's, like, well educated. I feel like he's really smart, and he's really, like, witty in the moment. So if you start something with him, he can fire back immediately. And some people aren't like that. Right? He's like a. Yes.

[Mary]

Ander.

[Courtney]

He can improv well.

[Mary]

He doesn't overthink. He honestly reminds me a bit of Spencer Pratt. They have a lot of similarities.

[Courtney]

And, like, Scott Disick. Yes.

[Mary]

That.

[Courtney]

That trope when Brooks is having this talk with him because, you know, Meredith told him last week, you can't disassociate. You can disengage. So he's, like, counting down the seconds until he can. Can disengage from this. Brooks brings up the text about, he better keep my name out of his mouth. And Brooks says, that was, like, a quasi threat, in my opinion. And Charlie responds and says, well, I'm quasi sorry. And I'm like, who comes up with that? These kids?

[Mary]

No. Charlie is amazing reality tv. And Brooks is so uncomfortable. He's giggling. He hates confrontation. He couldn't get out of there any faster. And I feel like Charlie kind of won this fight in a way. Like, he's like, dude, if you don't want to hang out with me, if you don't want to be associated with me. Then don't pretend on the side and don't be my friend off camera. But you're being two faced right now, which I think he was. And then we get into the Seth of it all.

[Courtney]

Oh my God.

[Mary]

He's like, fuck your dad.

[Courtney]

My dad. My dad was the only person that was trying to help you last year. I'm like, help him or be pansexual. I kept thinking about all the sex talks we had to have with Charlie and Seth. And I'm thinking like, why was Seth talking to Charlie so much? It was so awkward.

[Mary]

And I feel like Charlie was like, are you kidding me? Like last season I had to hear all about Chloe. You made that your storyline. Then I had to sit down with your dad. Your dad's a house husband. He's a loser, okay? Like he's a nobody. And then when Charlie apologizes to Seth in the confessional, he's like, I, you know, I shouldn't have said that. I am sorry. I will take that back.

[Courtney]

And I do like Seth on the side, like B roll from last year of his confessional. He's like, that, that was kind of mean. But them breaking this fourth wall about the housewives between like Ava's line about Jen Shaw and then your dad's a house husband. It's so silly because these combos are, are ridiculous. Now again, you could say, I don't trust you. The crypto shit is weird. And it has that be it.

[Mary]

He has to say it.

[Courtney]

Then Charlie goes, oh, why? You think I'm gonna kidnap and torture you too? And like Charlie, don't make me laugh. And then Charlie brings up, he's like, okay, so you like don't want to hang out with me because of like the crypto torturing and kidnapping, but you'll hang out with Ariana, who's on probation from a dui.

[Mary]

And then the Venn diagram, the DUI versus crypto torture. No overlapping, guys.

[Courtney]

I would say ille in the middle.

[Mary]

Both illegal.

[Courtney]

I do think that there is an overlap of doing something illegal. But for the show, let's take a break and come back. This year's girls trip to Telluride was the best. We one upped ourselves with my Sapphire Preferred card. And with 5 times points on Chase Travel plus 3 times points on vacation homes with top brands, we got this incredible cabin.

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It was amazing mansion.

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[Mary]

And that pistachio gelato was too good.

[Courtney]

So where should we go next year. I've got ideas.

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[Mary]

was having a tough episode as well. He had a hole in her shirt.

[Courtney]

Did you. I was like, is this a costume? Like, was that part of his, like, Rocky horror that he was like, if I just like, rip a hole and then what I can do is I can repurpose it for my clothing line. About time.

[Mary]

Yeah. I kind of felt bad for Shai because I feel like he's like, well, I became friends with Hudson, so I was just giving him the heads up that Liam's going for it. And he's like, and Rowan and Ava told me to do it. And then they flashed flashback and they did not tell him to do that, but that's what he heard. And I, I Genuinely think he heard that? Like, they were like, yeah, maybe. Maybe you should eventually. Like, he heard something that didn't happen.

[Courtney]

Well, they're all blocking each other because everyone wants Ariana. Liam wants Ariana. Shai wants Ariana. Charlie would hook up with Ariana. Hudson obviously wants Ariana. But I'm like, you know what? F you, Hudson. And sorry, he's a kid, so I shouldn't say that. You are, like, putting out a warning. Don't mess with my girl. And then you're gonna let some girl wear Ariana's clothing and Instagrams? How effing dare you do that to our bright shining star, Ariana? I want her to be with Liam just to spite him.

[Mary]

Hudson is like a girl. He is like us that gets on Instagram. I admit, I used to post on Instagram for men. And I can.

[Courtney]

I can.

[Mary]

And that's what Hudson is doing right now. Like, he's overly posting. So Ariana sees all these things. He's, like, super active, trying to be cool, trying to show the PJs, the drivers, the businesses, the fake line. He's trying to do it all to get her attention. And he got her attention. It actually worked because she is talking about the slippers.

[Courtney]

But then he left before the party even started.

[Mary]

I was surprised that he didn't go.

[Courtney]

He flew on a pj, which means that he can create his own departure time.

[Mary]

That is true. That is true.

[Courtney]

Hudson has money, but Liam has heart.

[Mary]

I love Liam so much. I just think he is just so adorable. I feel like he's so secure and confident in himself. Even the way he sits, I feel like, shows that he's confident in himself.

[Courtney]

I can't handle the giddiness. Like, I wish you guys are watching Mary's face right now. She's just like, she's blushing. She is blushing for this Culkin kid.

[Mary]

He's adorable.

[Courtney]

Yeah. No, I like Liam too. Liam is funny because he's like, yeah, so I'm still gonna go for, like. I feel like he sees Hudson as a little kid because, like, Liam, 28, and Hudson's what, like, 24?

[Mary]

He's like.

[Courtney]

So there's, like, no competition.

[Mary]

The glue.

[Courtney]

The glue would be that they're together. Like, what is this even? Cause, like, shy in the Truman show is like, I don't even know how we got here. I thought I was warning him because I'd also like to be with Ariana, and I just, like, should be with her. And then Gia comes sit next to me, and Gia's like, no. And I don't really know why Gia doesn't like shy either. And shy's just like, I was trying to throw one party because this was the one party for the cast that I have to throw. I have no idea what's even happened. I thought we were gonna go watch a show.

[Mary]

When Gia won't get on the couch with Shai, he's like, no, no, no. Scoot. Scoot over. Sit right next to you. She's like, no, I will sit on top. He's like, no, no, no. Come on.

[Courtney]

Come on.

[Mary]

She's like, seriously, stop. I don't want to sit there.

[Courtney]

Like, I don't need room. And then there's actually no room for her. I have to be honest.

[Mary]

I don't.

[Courtney]

We don't need Gia on the cast.

[Mary]

Well, did you notice that Riley was gone?

[Courtney]

I did notice, because in the recap for this episode, there was not one mention of what had happened last week. She's in timeout. This episode was one event. And she's in Atlanta on timeout with Candy.

[Mary]

And then on watch what happens live, Ariana said that Riley and her have not spoken since the episode aired.

[Courtney]

And I thought Ariana answered those questions so nicely. She was so, like, diplomatic about it. Like, if Riley needs more from me, I need her to tell me what she needs from me. I don't want anyone feeling bad. And I think she really wants to save this friendship. I actually, you know, I talked shit on Brielle a couple of weeks ago. They were, like, cute and, like, to see Andy when he was like, brielle is here. Ariana's here. Gia's here. And I've, like, known you guys since you were there, this big. And you could tell he feels, like, so paternal over them in a way. And there is something sweet about that.

[Mary]

And then they talked about how Croy would not be coming to the wedding. They're not talking to Kroy right now. Situation is very, very sad because it's extremely toxic. And I think he was a good dad to them for. For a really long time. And I feel like those girls will always consider them their dad. And I'm hoping that, you know, in maybe a couple years, they'll come back around.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I hope so. I feel like, like, you said, like, he was a really good dad. And then as soon as, like, they were having money issues, whether it was from Kim or him or whatever it was, and everything started getting really toxic, especially with, like, the little kids, too. All the relationships got destroyed. Brielle and Ariana were parentified and they had to start taking care of her. I mean, we know that they took Ariana's money.

[Mary]

Money. Right, Right. I think they fight about custody. There's a lot of issues.

[Courtney]

And that's their mom, so they're always going to be with their mom. It was the three of them for so long.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Oh, God. Sad. And then Andy, like, texted a photo to Kim, and Kim responded like, I don't know why. This is so cute. I love this.

[Mary]

They're your babies.

[Courtney]

I know. There are children.

[Mary]

Yes. Yes.

[Courtney]

By the way, we need to talk about these pigeon interstitials. Because Georgia dresses up as a pigeon for Halloween. She should have cut the eye holes bigger because she can't see. But, you know, pigeons have bad eyesight. But then the pigeon lady comes in.

[Mary]

It's like, actually.

[Courtney]

And I'm like, did they film a random woman giving pigeon PSAs, or did they find a perfect YouTube video that they could just splice into this episode?

[Mary]

Maybe they thought the pigeons were going to be more a part of the show than they were.

[Courtney]

I. I don't know.

[Mary]

It felt displaced. They thought there was going to be a lead up to the pigeons because

[Courtney]

they also mentioned washing your hands. And so I'm like, well, this feels very Georgia pointed. But I don't know if we're just talking about pigeons in New York or not, or this is specifically for this show.

[Mary]

Georgia, get the hand sanitizer line asap. Exactly what is going to happen with Georgia? She feels like she is on the outs with the group and what she did was wrong. She shouldn't have brought that to the camera. And I think just. I just like her, though.

[Courtney]

What's gonna happen to our girl?

[Mary]

She's fascinating to watch.

[Courtney]

She really did step in it. And I wish you would have had the combo with her off camera. Even after she's like, I don't know if I should have said that. It's like, you shouldn't have. You shouldn't have, because you used Amira's own journey of life against her to try to make her hate somebody else. And it's like, you could have done that off camera and just been like, look, I didn't want to say it on camera. I do want you to know who Charlie is, because if he is one of your closest friends, he shouldn't be saying these things about you.

[Mary]

Right?

[Courtney]

So I do think that this is gonna bite her in the ass. At the end of the day, it's all Charlie's fault.

[Mary]

Like, it's always comes back to Charlie.

[Courtney]

However, somehow he's able to talk himself

[Mary]

out of weasel his way out of it all. That's Spencer Pratt and him.

[Courtney]

Exactly.

[Mary]

I can't wait to watch next week.

[Courtney]

I know our children.

[Mary]

All my children. Okay, talk to you later.

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