TJG: Next Gen NYC S2 E8!

Summary

Two Judgey Girls Podcast: Next Gen NYC S2 E8! — Summary

Episode Overview In this engaging episode of "Two Judgey Girls," co-hosts Courtney and Mary reunite from their LA and Bay Area homes to discuss the eventful Episode 8 of "Real Housewives: Next Gen NYC" Season 2, set against the backdrop of BravoCon. The girls bring their signature mix of pop culture savvy, personal anecdotes, and lighthearted banter to break down the cast's BravoCon adventure, dissecting both the on- and off-camera drama, cast dynamics, budding romances, and the endearing chaos of reality TV’s “Nepo babies.” They infuse the recap with personal stories, in-depth BravoCon insights, and their trademark humor.

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Highlights & Key Discussion Points

1. Catching Up: Mary’s Night Out & Parenting Tales

• Mary’s Girls’ Dinner (03:01 – 04:39): Mary humorously details her dinner at OJ's—her signature order and how even one dirty martini now hits differently post-motherhood.
• Charlie’s Baptism Wardrobe Mishap (05:02 – 06:40): Anecdotes about baby Charlie’s ill-fitting baptismal dress bring levity, with a discussion of percentile stats at pediatric appointments.
• "Me Time" & Parenting Realities (06:40 – 07:15): They reflect on the elusive joys of solo time as a parent and the logistics and hopes for Mary’s upcoming trip.

2. Bravo and Reality TV Updates

• The Traitors US Civilian Cast (07:42 – 09:52): Courtney shares excitement about the newly announced ‘civilian’ cast featuring influencers, sparking speculation on the blurred lines between influencer and civilian on modern reality TV.

  “I think you’d be fantastic [on The Traitors]. You are smart, you think ahead, you’re strategic. You could win it all.” — Mary (09:11)

• Fall TV Schedule & Content Overload (09:52 – 10:10): September is heralded as a stacked month for reality TV, with "Next Gen," "OC," "Dancing with the Stars," and "Rugged" all on air.

• Let’s Marry Harry Review (10:13 – 14:32): Courtney gives a rundown of the "trash, but addicting" Netflix dating show starring Harry Jowsey and produced by Alex Cooper, sparking talk of old-school VH1 energy and reality TV production deals.

  “Do I think it’s winning awards? No. Is it filling a hole of bad trashy TV?... I think you would probably enjoy this.” — Courtney (14:09)

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3. BravoCon 'Loading': The Next Gen NYC Cast Experience (22:04 – 56:11)

• Nepo Babies and the BravoCon Spotlight (22:04 – 23:44): The hosts adore the earnest excitement of the new cast’s first BravoCon, with stories of Shep Rose’s wild antics and insight into the naivete of the “Nepo baby” cohort.

  “He has no idea who people are. He shoots his shot. I feel like he’s authentically himself.” — Mary on Shai (23:44)

• Bravo Fandom & Logistics (26:35 – 29:05): Reflections on the overwhelming nature of BravoCon, interactions between ‘legends’ and Next Gen, and the collective sense of gratitude from the cast and hosts alike. Mary and Courtney reminisce about their own BravoCon experiences, lines, panels, and frantic event-hopping.

• Missed Marketing Opportunities: Brooks’ Resort Wear (27:41 – 29:14):

  “That just felt like a missed opportunity to not have the resort wear line…Your main audience is the Bravo fandom that would have been sold out so quickly.” — Courtney (28:13)

• Behind the Scenes: Outtakes and Character Moments (31:01 – 51:48):

  • Gia’s Growth & Family Dynamics (31:08 – 35:36):
    • They praise Gia’s professionalism and humility, discussing the changing vibe from earlier seasons and how real-life family drama (Teresa/Joe/Melissa) interplays with filming.

    “She is very appreciative. She is a hard worker. I think she takes things super seriously…” — Mary (31:08)

    • Observations on the “outsider” perspective other castmates bring, like calling Joe Gorga “Gia’s uncle,” spark laughter (35:48).
  • Georgia’s Comic Relief (36:39 – 37:18): The hosts see Georgia as the lovable “Heather Matarazzo in Princess Diaries” type, always edited for humor.
  • Charlie’s Unfiltered Gold (42:38 – 44:20): The producers’ tactic of leaving a camera running for Charlie’s spontaneous one-liners.
  • Ariana & Charlie’s ‘Canon Event’ Fling (43:49 – 45:45): The blossoming will-they-won’t-they full of off-camera confessions, and discussion of messy, formative hookups.

    “Someone has to have a Charlie moment in their life. It is a canon event. You don’t marry the Charlie, you don’t date the Charlie…” — Courtney (44:53)

  • Liam’s Smitten Kitten Syndrome (45:45 – 47:00): Predictions on Ariana’s rebound arc and Liam’s likely heartbreak; Ariana’s ‘hoe phase’ discussed approvingly.

• Romance Webs, Text Chains, and Friendship Dynamics (47:12 – 49:09): The hosts break down relationship intrigue: Ariana’s romantic prospects, Hudson’s “ownership” attitude, and Ava’s secretive makeout with Shai, all with delight and gentle judgment.

  “He thinks he owns Ariana…No, she’s not. She’s single and can do whatever she wants.” — Mary (48:52)

• Panel Antics, Behind-the-Scenes (49:07 – 51:02):

  “Brooks, you cannot handle the heat, and you need to bring a little bit more action. And I’m kind of getting over him.” — Mary (50:42)

  “Chai barely talked on the panel.” — Courtney (51:24)

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4. Cast Standouts, Meta Commentary, and Generational Gaps

• Charlie as the Most Fascinating (52:00 – 52:07): Mary claims Charlie is the most compelling character in the cast, more so than Georgia.
• Ariana’s Loyalty (52:08 – 52:56): Discovery that Ariana gave up a first class seat to sit next to Charlie prompts jokes about mid-flight hookups and “Mile High Club” antics.
• Millennial vs Gen Z Vegas (55:08 – 56:11): Musings on the cast’s boundless energy compared to their own “in bed by 10pm” approach.

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5. Memorable Quotes

• “God, Ben and Ronnie look amazing. They look so good on that stage… It let me relive that weekend a little bit too.” — Courtney (25:37)
• “It was exhausting. We were in bed by like 10 o’clock every night. Like we were dying.” — Mary (55:08)
• “I always thought about, like, when we were young, you’d be like 21 and you’re just going to Vegas… now I’m like, we have to go to the club? What?” — Courtney (55:42)
• “We love our kids so much. Definitely a fun episode. I’m so excited to see the Charlie Ariana romance keep blossoming. What’s going to happen with Liam?” — Mary (58:03)

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Notable Moments & Timestamps

• Mary’s OJ’s Order Deep Dive: 03:03 – 04:39
• BravoCon Cast Reactions & Shep Rose Story: 22:04 – 23:44
• Panel Recap and Next Gen Winning the Bravos: 36:39 – 37:09
• Ariana & Charlie Hookup Speculation: 43:49 – 45:45
• Georgia’s High School Poetry Debacle Anecdote: 36:39 – 36:58
• Hudson’s Jealousy & “Ownership” Theme: 48:32 – 49:09
• On Gen Z Out-Party Stamina: 55:08 – 56:11

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Final Thoughts & Looking Ahead

• Both hosts agree this was the best episode of the season, highlighting how well the Next Gen cast is coming into their own, both in fun and in drama.
• Ongoing storylines (especially Ariana/Charlie and the Ava/Shy intrigue) keep Courtney and Mary (and the audience) invested, bringing the right balance of relatability, nostalgia, and Bravo-fueled chaos.
• The “meta” element of seeing Bravo fan experiences recreated on screen is appreciated.
• The episode closes with high anticipation for the rest of the season and well wishes for “watching our kids grow up” in the Next Gen NYC cast.

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Recommended if you love: Behind-the-scenes reality TV talk, Bravo fandom, friend-to-friend advice and banter, and genuine, funny analysis of cast dynamics and pop culture.

Episode Rating: ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ (Hosts’ consensus: “This show has really found it... By far the best so far.” 58:14–58:27)

Transcript

[Courtney]

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[Mary]

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Welcome back to two Judgy Girls. This is Mary from the Bay and

[Courtney]

it's Courtney from la. Happy Wednesday. How are you?

[Mary]

I'm not gonna lie.

[Courtney]

Don't trust her, you guys, when she

[Mary]

says that I had a rough time waking up this morning. I went out to dinner last night. I only had one dirty Martini. And like, I could feel it today. It's awful. I went to OJ's. I had a girl's dinner. Girls dinner. It gave me life.

[Courtney]

Loved it. Would you have a Caesar?

[Mary]

No. Well, a lot of people do ask me what I get there.

[Courtney]

I know. Yeah. Please get the list, because I think that might be the most outside of Bravo questions. Might be, like the number one question asked because of how much you rave about OJs. It's like, what's the order? Which you can't go wrong with anything on the menu, to be fair. But the merry favorites. Please proceed.

[Mary]

Yes. So, you know, yesterday was a Tuesday, so obviously I started with a dirty martini. I went to the marina location. So at the marina location, they have this thing called the pizza salad. I get it with a creamy parmesan dressing. I asked for it on the side. Then I got the chicken tenders, and I get it in the spicy honey bomba sauce. And then I dip it in ranch. And then obviously you have to have the spicy Rick. If they ask you if you want extra parmesan, obviously say yes.

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[Mary]

It was spicy. It was delicious. And then you have to end with either the butter cake. Last night I decided to go chocolate cake. Love the chocolate cake. That was Charlie's first birthday cake. It was delicious. And then I do ask for a scoop of ice cream on the side because I love their vanilla ice cream. Their vanilla ice cream. It's delicious. It's divine. I dream about it. And they did put hot fudge on the side for me, so that was nice. Wow.

[Courtney]

Okay.

[Narrator (History of the 90s)]

What a.

[Courtney]

What a girl's dinner that is. That sounds delicious.

[Mary]

It was great. It was wonderful. I felt like I was living. It was Tuesday.

[Courtney]

Well, you didn't have Charlie with you, and I think you're realizing, hey, this me time is kind of nice to have.

[Mary]

Believe me, I would love to have more of it.

[Courtney]

I will say that you sent this really cute photo of him and Michael last night because you're going back east for his baptism and he has to wear these clothes that he does not fit into.

[Mary]

So my in laws gave us a baptismal dress. And, you know, usually you would do it like under the year mark, but we didn't hit that. And, like, there's a slip underneath it. Charlie does not fit in, Michael. And I tried to squeeze him in the arms. I'm like, wait, he can't wear this, Michael. That's insane. So we're trying to figure out what he could wear under because it's a baptismal dress. It's like silk. It's super thin. And then like the hat does not fit at all. There's absolutely no way the hat is happening. But it'll be cute.

[Courtney]

It'll still be cute. I mean, he has the same size head as Michael in that photo. He is a large and in charge gorgeous baby.

[Mary]

This was actually really funny. When I went to his checkup, I knew for height and weight was gonna be high. So 97 percentile for height, 95th for weight. I actually thought the weight would go down cuz to me he looks skinnier. I honestly would say since Baha Mar skinnier. I can see though the wrist rolls are, are going away and it's sad.

[Courtney]

He's moving around more and he's growing.

[Mary]

It's awful. But okay, so the nurse measures the head and then the doctor comes in and is like, the head is smaller this time than it was the last time. And I'm like, so that is concerning. I hope my baby's head is not shrinking. And then she remeasured it and she's like, no, no, no, we're good. So 20th percentile for the head. I'm like, okay, he looks like a two year old.

[Courtney]

But.

[Mary]

But yeah, like yesterday I went to the park and I was like, oh, how old's your baby? This baby was tiny. 15 months. I'm like, oh, I would've guessed eight, but okay.

[Courtney]

You have a different perspective.

[Mary]

Yeah, I do, I do, yeah.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Well, I'm glad you're getting some mommy time. Free mommy time. That's so great. And hopefully you'll get some wifey and hubby time when you go back east and you can figure out how you can go over to Rhode Island. I think the closer we get, the easier we'll be able to see what the likelihood of that will be.

[Mary]

I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good about getting to Rhode Island. I, I'm not feeling good about getting to that Sunday show. I think that's going to be too challenging. But I feel like I can get Audrey's pizza. Mama. I better check what time they open, if they're closed, certain days, those kinds of things. And I really want to go. I, I want to go to Twin Oaks. I want to go to that mob place.

[Courtney]

Okay. And I think you need to also see, like, when's trivia night? I know it was Friday on the show, but could Jared be hosting trivia night at a different point?

[Mary]

That's a good point.

[Courtney]

Okay, I'll look that up some Research to be done. Yep, yep, yep. Now, I know you are skeptical, but today the cast was released for the quote, unquote, civilian U.S. traders. But, Mary, there's like, maybe not celebrities, but I would say influencers, larger followings that have made the cast. There's this one lawyer on there, his name is Michael Foote. I want to say I recognized him immediately and was like, is this the guy on TikTok and that talks about law stuff? And it was. There's also this girl named Katie that looks really familiar to me. I don't know how I know. I didn't do too much research, but the cast looks fun. I'm excited. It's coming in a month.

[Mary]

Wait, so this is interesting that maybe some familiar faces in the way of, like, social media and stuff, because when you were in Europe and I had Ben on, she thought that you were filming for the Traders. Oh, my God,

[Courtney]

you guys, I think I'd be awful.

[Mary]

I think you'd be very good. I think you'd be fantastic. I'd actually want you to be a faithful to start and then convince everyone that you're faithful and then be brought in by the Traders at the end and win.

[Courtney]

Wow, that's a very nice compliment.

[Mary]

I think you'd be fantastic. Yeah.

[Courtney]

Oh, my God, thank you. That's like the nicest thing.

[Mary]

You are smart, you think ahead, you're strategic. You could win it all. But, you know, I still am a little bit worried about this.

[Courtney]

I think you're going to enjoy it. I actually think you might even enjoy it more so than a celebrity season. But let me tell you why you're going in blind. You don't know anybody. You don't have to have preconceived notions about anyone. You get to watch watch regular people play a game that we all think about when we watch the game. Oh, I would have done this. Oh, I would have done that. Everyone is at the same level of quote, unquote, gamer compared to people who come in from a Big Brother or the challenge or are a housewife. Do you know what I mean?

[Mary]

September is stacked.

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[Mary]

Rugged will still be happening. Rooney and Salt Lake City, those are

[Courtney]

just brand new shows. Plus, OC is still going. We still have next gen happening. There's a lot coming up. It's fall.

[Mary]

It's fall. Fall is always the best tv.

[Courtney]

Can I tell you what I've been watching?

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Okay. And the finale is tonight, and I have, like, one more episode, so I have to Catch up maybe. I have two episodes. I started watching let's Marry Harry. Oh, the Harry Josie dating show on Netflix. And it is terrible. I've stopped watching it. I can't stop watching.

[Mary]

This is like Alex Cooper, right? It's under unwell.

[Courtney]

Yeah. So, okay. As I watched the end of one episode, the executive producers are like, yeah, Alex Cooper, her husband Matt Kaplan. And I was thinking about the same thing about House of Stasi for people wondering too, that is our last podcast episode is a House of Stasi recap. I'm trying to recover. I'm hoping I can. If not, hopefully at one point we'll be able to chit chat about it again. But you know how in House of Stasi they were having that Netflix deal for the podcast. But obviously this show is under Hulu. And so I was thinking about that with Harry Josie is like, Alex Cooper has a bunch of stuff on Hulu, but obviously has a few Netflix shows too. And I just really would love to know, like, the behind the scenes about how that all works. I find like that sort of thing really fascinating about how these deals work. How like exclusivity rights, all of that.

[Mary]

Well, yeah, it's kind of like how Lou can do Rugged and then be on the E Show.

[Courtney]

Yeah, exactly. So especially with like the development deal, it's just like the inner workings are very interesting. But so this show, the finale is tonight and it's Will, Harry, Mary, and I don't know who's made the final. But in the episodes that I'm in, he's down to the final five girls. And I was looking to show up because I'm like, I thought this guy was like 24. Do you remember meeting him at that Thread Zone Oscar party?

[Mary]

I sure do.

[Courtney]

I was like, isn't he like 24? No, he's 29.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Courtney]

And the basis of the show is like almost Bachelor style, except he's living in the house with them and then he has three friends.

[Mary]

That's kind of interesting.

[Courtney]

He's on the upstairs level and then they're all like, downstairs.

[Narrator (History of the 90s)]

It.

[Courtney]

It does make for interesting because also, I don't think he has a door in his room.

[Mary]

Oh, have girls been sneaking into his bed?

[Courtney]

Well, that's a whole thing. And he is. At one point he literally says, I have a sore throat from kissing too many girls. I watched him in one night. It's like one girl comes in, they make out, One girl leaves, one girl comes in. There's like a shower thing. There is a door on the bathroom, which the cameras do not go into. But there are sound effects.

[Mary]

Ew.

[Courtney]

I didn't say what kind. Maybe it's just a shower. I didn't say what kind. But it's just. It's a lot. And I'm gonna be honest, I don't think he's ready for marriage. This does feel a rock of love esque where we will have multiple seasons trying to marry Harry.

[Mary]

Oh, no, I don't like that actually.

[Courtney]

But for some reason it's like addicting.

[Mary]

Okay, how long are the episodes?

[Courtney]

They could be anywhere from 30 to 45. It's definitely also something you can second screen. So like if you're doing or doing other things, you know. Because to be honest, the girls all do kind of look alike to me. I can't really tell them all AP. So that's a little tough.

[Mary]

I do enjoy a 30 minute thing though. It's like feels so fast, you know,

[Courtney]

I pretty sure it's longer than 30, but there's only, I believe, seven episodes.

[Mary]

Okay, but you're predicting he might not get married?

[Courtney]

No, I feel like there will be some sort of thing. So he has these three friends for the first few rounds. He doesn't even have to eliminate the girls, by the way, Mary, the friends do it for him.

[Mary]

Oh, okay.

[Courtney]

So he gets like an out on that and then he can save one girl from the. From the group of elimination. So if he saves one girl, then he does have to eliminate one other girl.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Courtney]

It's terrible. But it's so good. And I stop watching and now I gotta catch up before the finale tonight.

[Mary]

So you would recommend

[Courtney]

if you want trash.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Courtney]

Like, do I think it's winning awards? No. Is it filling a hole of bad trashy tv? If you liked Flavor of Love, if you liked Rock of Love, that quintessential VH1 style, I think you would probably enjoy this.

[Mary]

You would feel fulfilled.

[Courtney]

Yes. But I do think that therapy would be better for him than getting married. But that's like a whole other thing that doesn't really work on tv, you know?

[Mary]

Right.

[Courtney]

But so anyways, let's marry Harry.

[Mary]

Will Harry marry the finale?

[Courtney]

Exactly. Should we take a break and then come talk about our kids?

[Mary]

Yes.

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[Mary]

Okay, this episode was called Bravo Con. Loading. And the thing I love about these kids, we have like the Nepo babies that are so excited to be invited to Bravo Con. This is such a special moment. Gia's like this is a huge deal. Brooks Marks, you know the other people are like, so what is Bravo Con? They have no idea what the other shows are. Shai told this story in the after show about Shep Rose. Oh my God, what did he say about how he's like, yeah, we were coming into the hotel and Shep Rose was like, hey, let's go downstairs and gamble. And also we know that Shep Rose was blacked out the entire weekend. According to this story, he was having a very good time. Oh no.

[Courtney]

Remember he made it all the way to the end of the weekend and then did that rant in the hotel bar. Was shy part of that?

[Mary]

No, I don't maybe but anyways, they were like playing games down there. And shy was like, we were winning like thousands of dollars. But Shep Rose was literally running around the entire time, like screaming and wooing. He's like. I came to realize he didn't even roll the dice one time and he was just like wild. And then the next, next day I see him again and he's like, hey, that was a good time last night. And I was like, that's the same person. He was like buttoned up, so professional. He's like a 50 year old man. And the producers just start laughing because they're like, he's not 50.

[Courtney]

He's close.

[Mary]

46. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was just like such a funny little tidbit. And I love how shy we he really is on the Truman Show. He has no idea who people are. He shoots his shot. I feel like he's authentically himself. I really loved seeing a little snippet of his mom this week. I thought she was adorable.

[Courtney]

What was the angle of the phone though? It was like all the way up here. The way she was talking to him on FaceTime. It was very cute. Wait, I saw this fact and maybe you can fact check me right now. Someone said, Jax Taylor is turning 50 this year.

[Mary]

Oh, I believe it. Because he was like, yeah, I'm sure. Because he was like a decade older than Stassi and she's like our age. However, this is saying he's 47, born in 1979, but he is a known liar.

[Courtney]

Do you feel him, like, takes one to no one.

[Mary]

Wait, you guys, this was really funny last night, Okay? I got home from the dinner and I was like, oh, yeah. So I told. And he's like, oh, you told me, Amanda, about my lie of omission. I'm like, oh, no, I actually forgot to tell her. I told it on the pod.

[Courtney]

No, I didn't tell my one friend. I told my many friends

[Mary]

and then I was like, and actually, I'm gonna send the podcast clip today to your family. She, like, didn't sleep last night?

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[Courtney]

Why are you ruining that, man? He already Woke up at 3am stressed about that storage unit, and now he can't sleep because he's so worried about the lie of omission.

[Mary]

I just think it's funny at this point, I'm not even that bad about it, but I will make him pay

[Courtney]

150amonth for the storage unit. Okay, back to this. What I loved about this episode one, I said, God, Ben and Ronnie look amazing. They look so Good on that stage. I know we only got, like, a little glimpse of them, but two, it let me relive that weekend a little bit too, just watching them. And I just thought that was such a fun weekend. And we weren't Bravo loves. We were there to just experience the whole thing. And it was so much fun going to all these different panels, seeing all Bravo loves. Watching the different interactions from different cast too. And then when you watch the next gen cast, and I feel, because this was like their first season too, that they were going was like the gratitude that they had, even though they didn't know what it was. When Rowan called and Ava picked up, Ava was like, we're like celebrities.

[Mary]

It was very cute.

[Courtney]

There was just something so sweet and innocent about the whole thing and just the gratefulness that they had because I felt grateful to be there that weekend too. There was something just so exciting. And then I also was thinking I was exhausted from that, though. You're moving, you're talking. You're going left, right, center. You're going location to location. There's event to event. And I'm thinking, like, man, we were exhausted. They're staying up now. Of course, they're children, so it's easier for them to stay up later. But they're going from, like, event to event to club to Charlie's room to the next thing. And then they're also still filming their show.

[Mary]

I can't tell you how exhausting Bravo Kwan is. It is. Go, go, go, go, go. I was so pumping at the time. That was literally so stressful. But this whole thing made me like them even more. It was very endearing and you had a lot of interaction. So you went to this panel and then I will never forget, on that carpet, you were taken around Ariana and

[Courtney]

Brooks, and I just kept thinking they were brought to so many different events. I didn't see Brooks Marks booth on the Bravo Con floor, which then I said, brooks, we didn't even have the resort. We're ready for the Bravo Con floor.

[Mary]

Come on.

[Courtney]

You would have sold out there. Go to the warehouse. Liam said he would have driven back from Austin. You could have gone from Austin to Vegas.

[Mary]

He really should have flown from New York to Austin, got the U haul, made Liam come, and he could have been his booth bitch.

[Courtney]

That just felt like a missed opportunity to not have the resort wear line, especially because he's launching it only a couple weeks after this. Your main audience is the Bravo fandom that would have been sold out so quickly.

[Mary]

This is the prime demographic of who would buy your line.

[Courtney]

Exactly. And not only that, remember that Saturday? It was pouring rain. There was flooding. It was insane, the rain. And not only that, because the traffic on the strip is so bad that it would take you to go from where BravoCon was. We were staying at the Bellagio, which is not that far. It's a 20 minute walk. It would have been a 45 minute ride. The traffic was so crazy. So not only that, we're walking in like pouring rain with these random ponchos. Georgia is walking in pouring rain in the hotel slippers, which has to be soaking wet when she gets on that rain Ferris wheel. That's so Georgia.

[Mary]

That's so Georgia.

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[Mary]

We had stopped at the In N Out because we were starving and we got in and out to bring back to the room. Yeah.

[Courtney]

But I remember thinking, like, it was raining so hard. Man, if he had that resort wear line, he would have sold out completely because people were looking for sweatshirts and, like, things to cover themselves with. Brooks, hire us for your marketing.

[Mary]

Yeah. You wonder how many people are behind the scenes of his brand. Or is it truly really maybe just him. And that's why it's taking so long.

[Courtney]

I can't picture him figuring out how to work a warehouse considering that he can't even know the government is shut down.

[Mary]

He really is an interesting guy.

[Courtney]

He's so handsome too. He's like. I was looking at. My God, his jaw is so defined. Like, he's really beautiful.

[Mary]

I'd agree with that. He really should do the modeling angle more. It doesn't feel like he does that much of it, to be honest.

[Courtney]

No, he's got the face for it.

[Mary]

He looks like a real model. Maybe he's not tall enough.

[Courtney]

He is though, isn't he? I mean, he was taller than us and we're model size.

[Mary]

We kind of are. We're five, seven. Ish.

[Courtney]

I don't know, because Eva Marcel, she was on Atlanta, but also America's Next Top Model, and she was on the shorter side. She's 5 7. I distinctly remember that thinking, well, whatever. She could still do print. Okay, back to the show. They're all getting ready for day one. They're doing these little clips of everyone getting ready. And Ariana's like, I have a meet and greet. Like, is anybody even coming to this? And I'm sure that is like a definite fear because you've got housewives of 20 years. And Ariana and Gia are probably the ones who have been on camera the most because Gia's had all These different seasons. And then Ariana had Tardy for the party where she was one of the stars.

[Mary]

And obviously Riley, too.

[Courtney]

Yes. Like the Nepo babies, they at least have their namesake there. But I was thinking, like, God, it must be so intimidating.

[Mary]

I loved that Gia opened up. She's like, I'm used to being in the spotlight. I have been doing this since I was 8 years old. I enjoy it. And I will say, I don't think it's gone to her head. I think she is very appreciative. I think she is a hard worker. I think she takes things super seriously so much that I think her first season, she took it a little bit too seriously. When this is supposed to be more. A little bit like a younger show and more fun and, you know, gossipy. And I don't think she understood the assignment. And now she is. But it's so fascinating to see Christian, like, I don't want to talk about this again. I don't want to be in front of the cameras. And it makes me like him even more because I think he genuinely is in love with her. I think they've been together a really long time, and he's clearly not with her to be a star. He, like, wants to do his own thing and not be a part of it. So I'm curious what will happen with them because obviously he doesn't really want to film well.

[Courtney]

And this weekend literally is so tiring. It is so tiring. He's her handler for the weekend. He's probably carrying her stuff from place to place and, you know, is being helpful for her. Maybe he's a weekend assistant for her. And when they sat down at that dinner, I thought, don't ask him these questions. The man is tired. He is so exhausted. Because you're just talking a lot, Whether you're talking with each other, with other fans. You see a scene where she's taking pictures with fans and he's to the side, and then people are talking to him because of that. You know, it's just a lot of energy that you're exuding. And I just kept thinking, when they filmed this dinner scene, don't ask him about this. He's going to hate it because he's so tired. You need to let that man rest and ask him three days later, once

[Mary]

he's recovered, it does seem like they're together in real time. I'm so curious if they're actually living together. But then it made me think about Snooki and Snooki's husband.

[Courtney]

He was A part of the show

[Mary]

for a small period of time and now he has not done it at all. And I'm like, maybe it could be like that.

[Courtney]

Are they still together? I saw her tick tock and she was getting, I want to say a hysterectomy and her parents were taking her.

[Mary]

Are they still together? I believe they're still together. Okay.

[Courtney]

I don't follow them enough to know.

[Mary]

I. I think they are still together. Okay.

[Courtney]

Okay.

[Mary]

I think he chooses to not be in front of the cameras at all. Maybe he was at home watching the kids and that's why her parents took her.

[Courtney]

Yeah, yeah, great point. I just was wondering. That's a. But that's so true. Like there are people who don't want to be in the spotlight and they're like, I love you for you, not your job. This is your job. And I know it's a lifestyle. And you're right when it comes to Gia that it hasn't gotten to her head because I think too, she hasn't had it kush the whole time. She has had the highest of highs and the lowest of lows. And so I think she recognizes what this job is. And she says that a little bit in the episodes. But I also knew too because we had gone to the Bravo. So we were at the award show. That's where people gave Karen a standing go. And I remember, like, I swear they won. And then I was laughing too because I was like Wes Wilson jump scare when everyone still liked him.

[Mary]

And I thought it was such an interesting pairing to be with Jen Pedrante of all Jen Pedront. And we have to think at this time, Jersey has not been picked up. She didn't even know if her family was going to have a show at this this point. And obviously they went into BravoCon, a united front to hope to get the show where you picked up.

[Courtney]

What? Wait, you didn't think that was for real? You think the reconciliation wasn't? Because that's what they wanted. You thought it was for the future of the show.

[Mary]

But I do think at the end of the day, like they really do love each other and they are, they're brother and sister. They no longer have their parents anymore. If you don't have family, what do you have? So I have convinced myself that yeah. Was their back end motivation. Sure. But I do think they truly do love each other.

[Courtney]

I agree. And we've always said too, it's like it's not Teresa and Melissa that's the feud. It is Teresa and Joe at the End of the day, look, I actually like Melissa. I think she's stunning. But I. I like her. She's singing on display at the party the other week, but I'm like, she's on the show because of the relationship with Joe and Teresa.

[Mary]

You guys, Melissa Gorga in person has the best body in the world. Like, insane muscular, just adorable. I would love that body.

[Courtney]

Joe. Gia's uncle. That's how you also know that they're not Bravo people, because they call him Gia's uncle. I'm like, who the hell is Gia's uncle? I'm like, oh, Zio. Joe. But Gia's uncle always has his shirt off.

[Mary]

I was dead. I was dead. Because they see him not as Joe Gorga. It's Gia. So good.

[Courtney]

So funny. Because, like, okay, that's probably how other people would see him. We're like, he's not Gia's uncle. He's Joey Gorga. But going back to the Bravos when they won, I remember being like, gia gave the speech. And then as they were talking about who's going to give the speech, who's going to give the speech? I'm like, actually, Gia makes the most sense. Those kids are all so nervous to be there. You know, if you gave Brooks a beta blocker, you don't want to see his speech. Like, so should you always be on beta blockers?

[Mary]

No. And then Georgia was like, yeah, I. I don't love public speaking. This one time in high school, I was in a poetry competition, and I couldn't remember the words, so I just yelled into the microhone, and it just, like, reverberated. It was like, God, I would love to see her in high school.

[Courtney]

The editors are always creating scenes for her. When they showed looked like we were walking up to the microphone in the auditorium. They love a Georgia story.

[Mary]

You know who she is? She is Anne Hathaway's friend in Princess Diaries, Heather Matarazzo. Do you get that vibe?

[Courtney]

I don't.

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[Mary]

I do. And she was the real star. Because we all know I can't stand that Anne Hathaway, and I am not liking her new press looks.

[Courtney]

God forbid a woman be pregnant.

[Mary]

Want to know a fun fact?

[Courtney]

Oh, is it fun? Is it actually fun, though?

[Mary]

You know, when we were younger, people would be like, are you an Innie or an Audi? That was like, a common question right now.

[Courtney]

It refers to severance. Doesn't it, though? Nobody talks about belly buttons anymore. But it's so innie or outy is so severance.

[Mary]

That's because not many people are outies anymore. They kind of have evolved off and most people are innies. That is just a fun fact for you today.

[Courtney]

What's the fact?

[Mary]

The. The outie is dying out and I think Anne Hathaway has an outie.

[Courtney]

I think a lot of pregnant women have outies.

[Mary]

Let's take a break.

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[Courtney]

Okay, back to the show.

[Mary]

I mean, I thought we could safely talk about belly buttons here. We're used to a Tamara and Eddie.

[Courtney]

We. It is a safe. It is a hundred percent a safe space. I just. Nobody on the cast were talking about their belly buttons.

[Mary]

Okay, back to the show.

[Courtney]

Okay. When. So when they're also getting ready, I'm like, was there nobody available to follow Charlie in his room? Did someone from the production team come in, set the camera on the floor so that it was like the hallway and then set the camera in the bathroom so it like showed the bottom of the sink because all we were seeing were a lot of feet.

[Mary]

I did not understand. But I feel like producers love Charlie because he will say whatever comes to his mind. He is unfiltered. He says whatever he wants. And they're like, this guy is gold. He's so good that we actually, we have to take a break, but we know he's going to say something so good. I'm going to just leave the camera on and, and go take my break.

[Courtney]

Hey, Charlie, we're just gonna leave the cameras rolling. He's like, whatever, dude. Okay. He said, just make sure that you pick him up before I bring the post party back to my house.

[Mary]

I do think that this trip truly bonded them. I think it brought them all together and they're having a blast. And I think having a long period of time to stay together has been great. And they're relying on each other because they don't want to go to the Carpets alone. They don't want to go to the meet and greets alone. I'm sure some people were like signed up for a meet and greet and somebody came along with them because they're bud and they're relying on each other. I will say I'm obsessed with this Ariana Charlie situation. She is giddy for him and clearly has said a lot of things off camera and she can't fight those feelings. And I love that Charlie's like ten foot pole. I'll show you guys.

[Courtney]

He's like, I'll show you my ten foot pole. Sorry, that's bad. But the monologue that he gave in his confessional at the end where he's like, I basically can't tell you guys that Aria, Shanna and I hooked up because it will reflect poorly on her. But I don't care for you guys to know that we've hooked up even though I'm basically telling you we've hooked up. Because I know what she's telling me when the cameras are down. And it doesn't reflect well on her to be hooking up with me even though she wants to.

[Mary]

Okay, do you think they went all the way or was this just like a make out? What do you think has transpired with them?

[Courtney]

I think it's a makeout and heavy petting.

[Mary]

Do you think they had a slumber party?

[Courtney]

No, no, no. I don't think this was in a home. Maybe it was maybe out and about and they got like drinks or something. I don't know. I'm gonna blame it happening after her probation is over.

[Mary]

I mean, also, they're two young single people that are having fun. What's so wrong?

[Courtney]

Someone has to have a Charlie moment in their life. It is a canon event. You don't marry the Charlie, you don't date the Charlie. Your situationship for the Charlie for a couple of weeks ago as you kind of hit your rock bottom a little bit and you say, what am I doing? And then you snap out of it and you go, you know, I had to. I just had.

[Mary]

Problem is, Courtney, the couple weeks turn into a couple months, turn into a couple years.

[Courtney]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Mary]

Okay, that can happen to people.

[Courtney]

It can. But you have to have the canon event of being with a Charlie at some point in your life. And look, if you didn't, congrats. You're one of the few. You are like the Audi of a belly button. Okay? There's far and few between of you and it is a dying species, but congratulations.

[Mary]

Okay. Let's. Let's talk about Liam because he is a smitten kitten with Ariana, and I have a feeling that Ariana is going

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[Mary]

Is she going to say on camera, I don't really see this moving forward or what do you think is going on with those two?

[Courtney]

I think she's gonna say, I've obviously been in a 10 year relationship. I'm not looking for anything serious. I think they're probably on the same vibe. I don't know that Liam is looking for a girlfriend. I think he likes to date girls, take them on nice dates. I think he probably is a gentleman, you know, by the way, he's on Gibson's podcast today, Gavin with Gib, and they're talking about Ariana and he's like blushing about it in the CL that I saw. So if you guys want to hear more, Liam, go over there and listen. I think they're having fun. It's not going to be like a serious thing. She's in her hoe phase right now. Let her live. Are they bringing roasted carrots and Brussels sprouts as a couple? They are.

[Mary]

Gia, you can edit a text. I have to do that every day of my life, you know, Also, Liam,

[Courtney]

Brussels sprouts, Ariana, roasted carrots. There's two items for two people.

[Mary]

Oops.

[Courtney]

Hudson's in the group chat now. This is where I'm like, sometimes I think Gia does know what she's doing.

[Mary]

Oh, you think this was strategic?

[Courtney]

Yeah, I do. Because they're not together. They're just going on dates, right?

[Mary]

Of course.

[Courtney]

I think they're cute, though. I think that she wants to have a flirt. Mance. I don't think she's looking to get tied down. I think Hudson's always going to be there if she wants that. But I also think that her moving, moving to New York and having this independence and having this show and truthfully growing up on this is actually opening doors to like, oh, my God. My world was kind of small in Atlanta and I stayed with what I knew and now I'm experiencing life. I love the conversation with Ava and her mom too, because Ava's like, we're on parallel paths, me and Ariana, and I think having those type of friends around you is so fun and so exciting. Being young and in New York and single. Oh, my God. Enjoy it.

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[Mary]

When she said we're living like parallel lives right now, I was like, wait, where was the cheating in Ariana's relationship?

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[Mary]

That threw me off.

[Courtney]

No, no. I think Meaning the breakup. Like, we're both experiencing breakups. And I actually do think, though, that Hudson might have cheated. When they first broke up, I thought there was cheating going on.

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[Mary]

Yeah. Ow. I feel like he was so depressed.

[Courtney]

Yeah. After she said all of that, I was like, oh, okay. But originally when they broke up, it felt like it was because he did something stupid.

[Mary]

I wasn't picking up on that. Hudson.

[Courtney]

When he calls Charlie and shai and they're FaceTiming and he's like, are they dating? And then he's like, charlie, I thought it would be you to hook up with Ariana. I'm like, then why are you hanging out with him? Is this like a keep your friends close and your enemies closer? And then Charlie's giggling. Like, I don't know how to respond to that, bro, because I am gonna try.

[Mary]

I also feel like he thinks he owns Ariana in a way. He isn't speaking to Ariana, and he's, like, going around and like, oh, no, you can't do that. She's mine. No, she's not. She's single and she can do whatever she wants. And, like, don't block her.

[Courtney]

Yeah, let her get the.

[Mary]

Yeah. Wait, let's talk about Shy and Ava, because I think there was a make out out.

[Courtney]

Something definitely happened.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary]

I feel like they made out, and she's like, you cannot tell a soul about it. And then Shy told Charlie I went back to her room, but I don't even think he said we made out or anything, but they did really make out. And now Ava's like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. I don't want anyone to find out that I made out with Shy. She's like, I was wearing my grandma pajamas. I was washing Orange County.

[Courtney]

Why is it the housewives that's always a pre. Are the Housewives an aphrodisiac? Because on Summit Hospitality, TJ and Michaels were watching Salt Lake City when he tasted that butt lube.

[Mary]

Yeah, right. And it was sour apple.

[Courtney]

I believe that's what it was. Yes. And so I'm wondering, wait, are the Housewives an aphrodisiac?

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[Mary]

Chocolate, strawberries and oysters. The Housewives. I can't say it is in my home, but

[Courtney]

have you tried?

[Mary]

Nope.

[Courtney]

She's like, actually, you guys, Charlie was conceived when we watched Atlanta. I forgot it was on. But no, I think something for sure happened here. And he wanted it. Like, he kind of wanted to tell Charlie. Well, there was a flirt man with Ava, but he's like, I'm not Gonna say the makeup part. But then she was like, I don't know what you said to him. Why is Charlie asking if we made out?

[Mary]

I didn't say it.

[Courtney]

I didn't fucking say it.

[Mary]

Shy is so, so scared. Like, he's dying. And then he's also like, I thought I gave a good answer on stage about Brooks, but honestly, I was team shy on this. Like, Brooks, you cannot handle the heat, and you need to bring a little bit more action. And I'm kind of getting over him.

[Courtney]

Well, I'm also like, you can't talk to him the way that you talk to him on the phone, which was pretty rude. You wear me. You're interrupting my work day of zippers. And then when he says, oh, I think Brooks could be more direct or whatever, it was not the moment that they thought it was. I mean, I don't even recall that part. When and I was at the panel,

[Mary]

they were like, this was a nothing burger.

[Courtney]

It was a nothing burger. Chai barely talked on the panel.

[Mary]

That makes sense.

[Courtney]

I didn't even remember Charlie getting booed. But that does seem accurate.

[Mary]

It Right.

[Courtney]

Shai had his sunglasses on his head, and I was like, why did nobody tell him to take him off his head? And then Charlie was wearing his. But Charlie was just like. He was cool guy. I remember thinking, I can't believe Charlie's here.

[Mary]

I remember being surprised he actually showed up. But he's such an interesting person because he needs the money and he needs the show, but he really does bring his authentic self.

[Courtney]

Like.

[Mary]

Like, he's by far the most fascinating to watch.

[Courtney]

Really? More so than Georgia?

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Wow. Okay.

[Mary]

I mean, he has, like, a whole crypto thing going on. You don't know what he's gonna say next. And when I found out that Ariana had a first class ticket that she had to proactively go. Go back to economy. That was an effort to go into the app and change to sit next to Charlie.

[Courtney]

They were all in comfort plus, by the way. Okay. They're coming on your cheese and coach. Comfort plus is one step up. You have a little bit of wider seats, some extra leg room.

[Mary]

I had that on the way home from New York.

[Courtney]

There is a little extra room there. And then I was like, wait, did they make out on the plane? You know, Charlie said, do you want to go to the Mile High Club? Like, Charlie was in the middle seat. Ariana was at the window.

[Mary]

I was shocked he was in the middle, because that is brave. You're so right about the Mile High Club. Thing.

[Courtney]

He for sure, like, asked her and she's like, charlie, stop

[Mary]

the car. Home together. Do you think they actually went to two separate addresses?

[Courtney]

Little dogs.

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[Courtney]

You little dogs. I love it for the streets.

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Come on.

[Courtney]

Lady and the Tramp style.

[Mary]

This was my favorite episode so far this season.

[Courtney]

I completely agree. I loved it. I also just find it. There's like the meta aspect of watching them deal with BravoCon, which is something that we all have somewhat access to. We can watch the panels. If we're not there, we're watching like the social media, the behind the scenes, and then just the adorableness of them being these first timers. I remember being in that VIP room when Amira came out. They did this quick shot of her doing a meet and greet and. And she was getting rushed. As soon as that door opened. It was like the Beatles when they were worried nobody was going to come say hi to them. Like, don't worry. Because it was like, Amira, oh, my God. And you only knew it was her because she's so tall.

[Mary]

It must have been right after we did the Clorox thing. I remember this vividly, too. It was exciting. And that was at like freaking like 10am it was early when they were

[Courtney]

like, do you think the fans are going to be there at 9am? I'm like, Babe, we're there at 7, waiting for doors to open. Okay. And that they were going to dinners. They went to the Bravos. That ended probably like 10:30, 11. And they went out to a bar after. Not Georgia, because she hates Charlie. That's her number one nemesis. She's going with Prez, trying to take them to the chapel so they can get married, but they're there. Then they go back to Charlie's room for the afters. They're up till 5am Then, not only that, then they're up early, they're getting glam. They're at the Four Seasons and they're getting bused to the convention center, which is on the other side of the strip. Basically, they are go, go, going. And then I was thinking there was also those other Bravo parties that were like the insider Bravo, you know, from like the network itself that I remember a lot of them going to. I'm like, were they going to that or did they get out of that? Because they were filming their show.

[Mary]

I feel like they probably had to go to it all. Truly wild, exhausting. I mean, I was dying. We were in bed by like 10 o' clock every night. Like we were dying.

[Courtney]

And we were just attending, you know, and then like, they went to topgolf and you could see the rain. The two girls went on the High Roller, Charlie and Shy. They're like, you guys can stay. You guys can stay in Charlie's hotel room. Talk about the girls. Christian and Gia, you're going to dinner. The group was still moving and they all looked fantastic. I was like, oh, God, to be

[Mary]

young, you can do that. You can stay up till 5am in your 20s. God, I miss it.

[Courtney]

I always thought about, like, when we were young, you'd be like 21 and you're just going to Vegas. And you'd be like, who's going to dinner in Vegas? You're going to Cirque du Soleil. And now I'm like, we have to go to the club. What? Like, because then I was thinking too, I wonder if they went to Hakkasan and they went to Kyle's DJ set because they showed them after at a club too. So I'm like, they're just go, go going. And I'm like, I was at 2 one time. I do recall. God, the kids, they're gonna be all right.

[Mary]

Next. Bravo Con. We gotta stay out till 2am No, We can do it.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Also, you know what I was surprised about? Finally Shy wore his own collection. Good job. God. Okay, when they were accepting their award on stage, and there is a shot where they show the cast and then they flash to Candy. And Candy was just like, so proud of Riley.

[Mary]

I just.

[Courtney]

She was watching her actual kid.

[Mary]

Kid.

[Courtney]

Like, we're watching our kids.

[Mary]

So sweet. A tender moment.

[Courtney]

One laugh out loud moment of why Liam is so rich because he basically has an arcade game in his house. When he was driving Cruising usa, there

[Mary]

was something, like, so dorky. It felt like these kids were like, out and being business people and. And then it was like, Liam's at home playing a video. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Courtney]

And also, sorry, Kendall has to go.

[Mary]

She's useless. And she has a really big crush on Liam. And she's like, so you're not talking about Ariana because I think you really like her.

[Narrator (History of the 90s)]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

And he's like, yeah, and you really like me, but you gotta find a man so we can double date. Please. Georgia and Ava's conversation about, well, I don't want to say it proved how we should open the schools, but Vegas is bigger than New York City. Besides, when she asked Ava which direction was north, and Ava put up, they said Vegas was the biggest travel destination of the U.S. they could definitely see that. Oh, of the U.S. yeah.

[Mary]

For sure.

[Courtney]

For sure.

[Mary]

For sure.

[Courtney]

And I just said I love you kids.

[Mary]

We love our kids so much. Definitely a fun episode. I'm so excited to see the Charlie Ariana romance keep blossoming. What's going to happen with Liam?

[Courtney]

I think this show has really found it. I was worried when the season started, like I'm too old, I'm too old. And again, if you just look at it as we're watching our kids, I thought this episode by far the best so far.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

And I feel like it's just ramping up. It's on the up and up. They all feel like more comfortable now

[Mary]

they found their footing. Second season, please.

[Courtney]

Anyways, again, great show. Love this episode. Can't wait to watch our kids grow up.

[Mary]

On that note, see you tomorrow.

[Courtney]

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[Mary]

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