TJG: (Part 1) Summer House S10 Reunion Part 3!

Summary

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Two Judgey Girls

Episode: (Part 1) Summer House S10 Reunion Part 3!

Hosts: Courtney (LA) & Mary (Bay Area)
Date: June 11, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Courtney and Mary dive into the dramatic conclusion of the Summer House Season 10 reunion, dissecting alliances, betrayals, and Bravo’s production secrets with their signature wit and sharp insights. Key focus is given to the Amanda-West fallout, Sierra’s much-hyped “shocker,” behind-the-scenes theories, and an in-depth breakdown of Jesse’s much-discussed “timeline.” The duo also preview what’s coming in the bonus “sit-downs” episode, debate character motivations, and highlight the most memorable moments and burning questions the reunion and its aftermath have sparked.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Courtney’s Epic Travel Ordeal (03:03 - 06:10)

• Courtney shares a saga of airline chaos upon returning from Paris:
  • 36-hour journey instead of a planned 11-hour direct flight, with unexpected layovers, crew timeouts, and lost luggage.
  • "[…] by the end of it, from the beginning to end of leaving my friend's house to getting to my own house, it was a 36 hour travel day." (04:34, Courtney)
  • Mary expresses sympathy and hints at her own airline conspiracy theories.

2. The Mysterious “Shocker” at Reunion's End (06:17 - 08:57)

• Hints in the screener led Mary and Courtney to expect a major announcement about Sierra—possibly her exit or a spinoff.
• The real twist: Bravo is releasing a bonus “sit-downs” episode with three big conversations (Sierra & Mija, Lindsay & Amanda, Kyle & West).
• "Grab the tinfoil... we start putting those tinfoil hats on. What could it be?" (06:49, Courtney)
• Debate about whether these interviews will unfairly redeem West & Amanda.

3. Anticipating the Sit-Downs (+ West & Amanda Drama) (08:30 - 12:20)

• The hosts break down viewer discourse:
  • Mary is excited by the prospect of “meaty conversations.”
  • West’s claim of loving Amanda is scrutinized, especially his inconsistent statements to other castmates.
• Mary calls West "a con artist" and details her growing discomfort.
• "He was almost our March Madness winner… we all got duped." (11:03, Mary)
• Discussion also includes Kyle’s glow-up (“He’s never looked better”), People magazine shoot, and the ongoing battle for “Summer House’s” alpha male.

4. Beta Blockers & Sociopath Accusations (13:13 - 15:14)

• Sierra’s threads post calling out confusion about beta blockers and suggesting West’s lack of emotion isn’t caused by medication.
• Quote from Mary (relaying Sierra):
  • "Beta blockers don't remove emotion... It's like putting your fight or flight symptoms on DND." (13:33)
• “I mean, she called him a sociopath on the stage.” (14:19, Mary)
• The hosts joke about merch (“You’re Apathy” is the new “Carl’s a Mess”).

5. Decoding Amanda’s Choices & Agency (15:38 - 20:42)

• Amanda is described as a “pick me” who is convinced she’s different and can “fix” West.
• Mary suggests Amanda may be more calculated than viewers think—possibly pressing for statements to secure her position.
• Heated discussion over Amanda being an “active participant” vs. “victim,” featuring this sharp analogy:
  • "She's going from the side chick to the number one side chick. She's Holly Madison and he's Hugh Hefner." (20:35, Courtney)
• Debate over Kyle’s father-figure role and Amanda's friendship betrayals.

6. Jesse’s “Timeline” Decoded, Date by Date (27:32 - 40:06)

• Courtney and Mary analyze Jesse’s much-anticipated timeline, posted reluctantly after Watch What Happens Live, revealing messy overlaps and lies.
• Notable Dates & Insights:
  • Jan 17-19: Amanda may have stayed overnight at West's, triggering suspicion.
  • Feb 10: Amanda and West dine together solo.
  • Feb 27-28: Sightings and rumors escalate; Amanda acts flustered when “caught” together.
  • March: Messy lies, denials, and "breadcrumbing" pile up, with Amanda possibly enjoying the secrecy.
  • March 22-23: Amanda’s Find My Friends reveals suspect sleepovers; Miha also spends a night.
• “Imagine having to kiss your husband in front of your boyfriend.” (31:26, Courtney quoting Lindsay)
• Both hosts agree the timeline likely starts at New Year’s, not February.

7. Reunion Standouts: Manipulation, Lacking Remorse, and Player Moves (44:06 - 53:36)

• Amanda’s stone-faced answers and Bailey’s attempt at supportive friendship are dissected.
• “Bailey is such a girl's girl…she was being a good friend in that moment.” (44:57, Mary)
• The panel expresses astonishment at Amanda’s refusal to see warning signs; the group’s male-centric focus is sharply critiqued.
• Andy Cohen’s probing is recounted, especially his questions about Amanda and West feeling forced to “go the distance” for the sake of the show.
• The hosts analyze West’s performative vulnerability, including his “coughing fit” and lip-biting.
• Ben’s unaired “extended scene” critique of West’s “boy’s boy” act is highlighted as essential context.
• “Your whole thing is being a boy's boy, and that's the farthest from what you really are.” (51:15, Mary summarizing Ben)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Bravo’s production trickery:
  "We're all getting got right now." (07:11, Courtney)
• On West & Amanda’s timeline:
  "Liars always add an extra detail." (33:19, Courtney)
• On Amanda's self-delusion:
  "She thinks she's different than every other person. We've had conversations, blah, blah, blah." (16:13, Courtney)
• On group trust and betrayal:
  "You were kind of viewed as, like, a leader of the boys pack…you do something like that to really mess with the group's integrity." (51:41, Courtney paraphrasing Ben)
• On the lack of remorse:
  "These two still do not think what they've done is wrong. They have no remorse because what are they remorseful for?" (19:32, Courtney)
• On privilege and motivation:
  "We're in such a privileged household growing up that they were overconfident…we don't give a [expletive]." (50:19, Courtney paraphrasing a friend’s theory)

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Key Timestamps

• Travel disaster recap: 03:03 - 06:10
• Bravo's reunion "shocker" and bonus episode theories: 06:17 - 08:57
• Online discourse on West & Amanda: 08:30 - 12:20
• Sierra’s beta blocker explanation: 13:13 - 15:14
• Amanda’s agency and “pick me” debate: 15:38 - 20:42
• Jesse’s timeline uncovered & dissected: 27:32 - 40:06
• Reunion in-depth, betrayal fallout, extended scenes: 44:06 - 53:36

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Tone & Style Highlights

• Conversational, irreverent, and peppered with pop culture references (“Homeward Bound,” “Holly Madison & Hugh Hefner,” “Mean Girls”).
• Ample speculation and sleuthing, true to the “tinfoil hat” meme.
• Quick-witted skepticism, especially about cast motivations and Bravo editing.
• Genuine empathy for certain cast members, and unapologetic shade for others.

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Overall Takeaways

• Courtney and Mary expertly knit together social media gossip, unreleased scenes, and on-air moments to create a full picture of Summer House’s messy post-season realities.
• The bonus "sit-downs" episode is highly anticipated as a chance to settle scores and potentially reveal even deeper fractures.
• Jesse’s timeline and Sierra’s public clapbacks have further muddied the waters for West and Amanda, casting lasting doubts on their authenticity.
• The group’s insular, male-centric worldview and lack of remorse is the central thesis for the hosts, with Amanda actively choosing drama and isolation for fleeting validation.
• As the reunion closes, the hosts are left reflecting on friendship, trust, and how far the cast—and the audience—will go for a storyline.

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For listeners who missed the episode, this summary provides all the drama, receipts, and rapid-fire analysis—minus the ads and fluff.

Transcript

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Welcome back to Two Judgy Girls. This is Mary from the bay and

[Courtney]

it's Courtney from la. And I'm home. Welcome back.

[Mary]

That was a long journey home, wasn't it?

[Courtney]

I felt like I was that dog. Those dogs and that cat and Homeward bound.

[Mary]

Sassy.

[Courtney]

I don't know their names. Lassie.

[Mary]

No, Sassy. Sassy.

[Courtney]

Lassie is its own dog, right? No. Isn't it Sassy?

[Mary]

That's the main character.

[Courtney]

Literally could not tell you one of the dog's names. Air Bud. Different movie. Anyways, what was supposed to be like an 11 and a half hour flight turned into a 36 hour jaunt. And I'll save most of the details, but let's just say a direct flight from Paris to la. We sat on the plane for four hours in Paris, which then timed the crew out so the furthest they could take us was to Detroit. We got to Detroit, they made us disembark, go through customs, grab our bags, recheck them, go through security, get back to the gate just to be delayed again because we needed to find another person for the flight crew. We finally did. We get on the plane, we sit there for an hour and the pilot times out. So they cancel our flight. We have to go to a hotel for the night, but they've rebooked us. Whatever, we have to go do that. I slept maybe three hours. I couldn't even touch my luggage because it was somewhere. And then we were delayed another hour this morning. And anyways, by the end of it, from the beginning to end of leaving my friend's house to getting to my own house, it was a 36 hour travel day.

[Mary]

There's nothing worse. And it's just like I want to be home. Especially when you have a direct flight. You were supposed to leave from Paris and get to la. How you ended up in Detroit is not right. I know.

[Courtney]

And I was almost like, just let me off this plane in Paris and I'll like figure something else out because I don't want to do that. Because people ask, can we get off the plane? They said no, we were held captive. They told us no. That seems wild to me that they

[Mary]

left Paris knowing they're not going to be able to do the full route. Like, I have a whole theory on these flights and things being made up and conspiracies, and that's for another podcast on another day.

[Courtney]

I love that. Like, maybe we'll go into details on that in a patreon next week.

[Mary]

Absolutely. As we should.

[Courtney]

I think what I've learned, though, is that I should try to sleep because my goal is always when I come back from, like, anywhere in Europe back to LA is like, try to stay up as. As long as you can. Because when you go back, you can usually for a 4pm flight that it was supposed to. I was supposed to arrive home at 6:30pm in LA. All I have to do is, like, make it home. It'd be 8pm by that point. I could go to bed. I've had in the past 48 hours. Maybe I'm being generous by saying four hours of sleep.

[Mary]

Yeah. And then it's like your stomach starts to hurt. You just feel weird.

[Courtney]

Yeah. So I'm, you know, I'm borderline that. So I'm gonna try to be as normal as possible today.

[Mary]

I'm gonna try because this is such an exciting day, you guys. This is the third part of the summer house reunion. And Courtney and I, yesterday, you know, we get the screener and they're. They're. They're hyping it up. They're like, stay till the end. There's something very, very exciting. Courtney and I, you know, we watch the screener and we're like. So they eat like, thin mint cookies.

[Courtney]

What. What's the deal here? I literally was like, that strange. But maybe it's like they're really celebrating Sierra, I guess. And that's amazing. Yay. Like, we should end on a high with Sierra, not, you know, west and Amanda. And then we're like, hold on, grab the tinfoil. Because remind you guys, I. I had time. I've had a lot of time these past few days. Okay. And I start looking at the screener time, and usually they're about 42, 43 minutes because there's no commercials. And I said, Mary says, 41. We're missing something. They are. They are getting all of us. We're all getting got right now. And so we start putting those tinfoil hats on. What could it be? We're thinking, okay, you know, we know that they filmed those chats, so maybe that's what it's going to be, is going to be the chats. But it's like, that's wild. We have max 2, 3 minutes for this to be. I go on this thing. I'm like, sierra's done. She is going to announce she is leaving and Andy is giving her the platform to so. And then you built on that.

[Mary]

Well, I was like, no. I was like, it's because she's getting a spin off. I was like, we're gonna follow her to Fiji. Then we're gonna do Dancing with the Stars. She's gonna navigate all these brand partnerships. We're gonna get a little bit of this dating life. I was like, we're. We're getting a spin off. She's getting a 30 minute spin off. And actually, guys, I still think that could happen. And that's because that could happen next week because we know we still get more. The shocker was that we're gonna get this bonus episode that is the sit downs and it's Sierra and Mija and Lindsay and Amanda and Kyle and West. And the preview looks good.

[Courtney]

And not only that, it's like there's three conversations. Let's just say we're gonna include commercials. 20, 20, 20 mm. And breaking it down. We're getting some meaty conversations in this. Now, a lot of people are not excited. I saw some discourse online because they feel like it's giving west and Amanda this opportunity to redeem themselves in a way. I don't view it that way. Are you viewing it that way?

[Mary]

Absolutely not. I'm so excited. We are going to be fed more. I mean, the preview looks amazing. Wes says he loves Amanda and he asked for a long time. Miha's like, yeah, he texted me after the reunion and wrote, you win. It looks epic.

[Courtney]

Okay, now tell me how you think this is going to be set up. Are we getting the. The conversation spliced together or are we doing it like, sequentially? And in that case, if we're doing it sequentially, who goes first, who goes second, who goes third?

[Mary]

So I assume sequentially. Okay. And I actually feel like maybe Amanda and Lindsay, then west and Kyle, and then it ends with Sierra and Mija. What about you?

[Courtney]

I'm thinking that it ends with Sierra, Mija as well. The other two are interchangeable for me. And the reason why I don't think it's going to be good PR for Wes and Amanda is I think that they're going to let West's conversation happen first where he talks about his love for Amanda, blah, blah, blah, you know, all this stuff because I don't believe that he loves her. And I know we'll talk about Jesse's Timeline. But him telling Jesse, I think I love her, love her. And then not being able to say love at the reunion and then saying, I've loved her for a long time. Choose Elaine, bud. Choose Elaine. And so then I think Mija's conversation with Sierra is going to be the end where she's going to disprove a lot of the things that he said. Like him writing to her, you win is exactly who he is and not this like, I love you.

[Mary]

Him feeling like after the reunion he had to have the last word with her is so telling. I am literally so creeped out by Wes. I cannot stop thinking about the lies. And he started out the reunion on that couch. And the first thing he said pretended that, oh, my phone got hacked, these nudes were just released and he had just gotten a text about it.

[Courtney]

And yet everyone knew.

[Mary]

Exactly. And that's how we started out the very beginning. And he, I really think is a con artist and that we all got duped. He was almost our March Madness winner. Also, like, could Kyle Cook be it next year?

[Courtney]

Or Jesse, a battle of the summer house would. I mean, I, you know, it should be Kyle's year. He's never looked better. Okay, People magazine today I was like, first off, we're wearing sleeveless.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Courtney]

Not my favorite. But on him, he looks fantastic. We know he does Botox because Lindsay told us on in the City, but like, drop whatever else you're doing.

[Mary]

The People magazine article came out today and there's a lot of like video clips as well. When I saw the modeling pictures, I, I kind of just giggled at them.

[Courtney]

Like blue steel style.

[Mary]

Like, no, it's, it genuinely just, I was like, Kyle Cookie. I, I've just never found him sexy or that's. He's not my type.

[Courtney]

Did you today though? I was, Is that why you were giggling? You were like blushing giggly, like, I like this blonde, man.

[Mary]

It just like kind of made me giggle. I, I, I just, I thought it

[Courtney]

was silly, I have to say. Kyle and west having a conversation in Kyle's house. And Kyle asking Wes, do you, you love her? And Wes say, do you want me to be honest? And then he says he loves her. I'm like, you're a liar face. But wild to do this. We know it was a three hour sit down. We know that west had said too. I don't know if I filmed for in the City or for Summer House, which also makes me wonder what their contracts say about pickup scenes. Because if I'm Wes, I don't know that I'm trying to do this because I feel like it's just going to be more of a pile on. Like, those are the things that I'm like, what are you so contractually obligated to do? Even Amanda too. Amanda and Kyle, that pickup scene of them in the City, episode one, you know, April 9th or whatever, I'm like, I can't believe that was the pickup scene. I did not think it would be the two of them because I didn't think Amanda would agree to it.

[Mary]

I'm sure, though west after the reunion is like, wow, I flubbed that. And Andy Cohen called me out on stage for taking beta blockers, which we have to talk about. Sierra talking about beta blockers because she posted on threads last night. And I will.

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It.

[Mary]

It's. This is from a nurse, people. Just a medical note. Beta blockers don't remove emotion. They work by blocking adrenaline from binding to beta receptors in your heart, blood vessels and muscles. The receptors responsible for the physical symptoms of anxiety, like increased heart rate, raised blood pressure and trebling. The emotional experience remains, but the physical stress response can't fully activate. It is like putting your fight orf flight symptoms on dnd. Enough with the beta. Block it. Then she does a follow up thread. Also, anxiety and depression aren't the only thing in the DSM 5 Personality disorders

exist there as well.

[Courtney]

You're a pathy.

[Mary]

I mean, she called him a sociopath on the stage.

[Courtney]

I think we need your apathy merch. And I feel like that's the new Carl's a mess. So, like, Lindsay, feel free to choose the charity of your choice. And like, let's get some merch out. With a collaboration with lover boy. The beta blockers question was kind of crazy because obviously, like, everybody's been saying, like, what's going on with the two of them? I mean, in episode one, Andy says to Amanda and Wes, you two seem calm. Like what? I think Andy is so mad at West. I think he feels duped too. Like, we were all duped. We were all bamboozled. We were all fed alive from this man. I mean, like you said about March Madness guys, if he did not tag Ross job, he would have won.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

And you guys would have been really mad at us because you would have told us to strip his title. And we can't do that. It's illegal.

[Mary]

I feel like I might have.

[Courtney]

How would you have done it?

[Mary]

Well, he would have never gotten that banner.

[Courtney]

Right. And he never will because we haven't made it. Still. But I just think, like, you didn't wash your face for so long, you know, because he had kissed you on the cheek. And now I'm sure you're scrubbing.

[Mary]

I mean, the man knows how to work the room, work the ladies. And it's crazy because on that couch, it's been done by three women. Dara, Sierra, and now it's Amanda's turn, and they're warning her, and she just does. Not getting it. And even Kyle is being a father figure at this reunion.

[Courtney]

I'll be your father figure.

[Mary]

Asking Wes, basically, what are your intentions with her? It's just insane.

[Courtney]

But Amanda is getting it. She is such a pick me that she thinks she can fix him. She is Amanda. I can fix him, Betula. Okay? Like, she thinks she's different than every other person. He said different to me. We've had conversations, blah, blah, blah. It's like you're literally finding out in real time about Mija and his relationship with her and their timeline. And if you think that he's telling her these things and he can't do the same to you because this time it's different, well, I've got a bridge to sell you.

[Mary]

Her eyes during that scene were actually insane. But then I also thought, what if she is just as calculated? And did Amanda want to put out this statement so that he got rid of Miha? Oh, yeah.

[Courtney]

I think Amanda was pressuring in that way. Obviously, it wasn't talked about in the reunion, but we had heard about it in the leaks, right? That there was this video. This video is happening. And, you know, that's why they felt the pressure too. But it's like, when I think about. I'm like, okay, I think the Kyle one, the pressure was there because Sierra got suspicious. Because I think they put that out on what, like the 19th or something, and Sierra was suspicious on January 17th. And so I feel like she rushed that one because she was worried that things with west might come out. I think that because there was this video or whatever it was, or she found out about Miha and that tie with Watch what happens live. If she was pressuring it to put it out, because she even says too, you know, I was learning about this. I didn't know everything. And I'm like, she's just as calculated now. I think that they live different paths of lives there, but I don't think she's as dumb as everyone kind of makes her out to be. And like, that she's this victim all the time. It's. It pissed me off when Kyle said that she Was being isolated. She's an active participant in betraying her friends and hooking up with Wes. They have mutual friends. Amanda has no friends except Katie deluca.

[Mary]

It's gonna be crazy too, because we found out that tomorrow they're filming the in the city reunion. So she is gonna have to answer a lot of questions and there's gonna be a lot of follow up. And Andy is going to ask about the beta blockers. Will she take beta blockers this time?

[Courtney]

But I also think that Andy's just using beta blockers as a different word and that he really means something like Xanax or like Lexapro or something different. Like he just can't say, like drugs out right out.

[Mary]

It's a tricky situation because I guarantee this has been prescribed, but it's just the lack of emotion. And, you know, I did get to watch this four times, you guys. And I had to write out direct quotes. And as I write out the quotes that both of them say, when you read them back, I'm like, they actually say the exact right thing, but the delivery is so off and the lack of emotion and empathy and you can just feel like it's a transcript that they have memorized and they are robotically saying so you're not believing one word that they actually are saying.

[Courtney]

But I don't think they're believing the words that they're saying either because they do not care. In the end, these two still do not think what they've done is wrong. They have no remorse because what are they remorseful for? At the end of the day, Amanda was like, I was Sierra's friend and Sierra wasn't my friend. She was my show friend. I would hang out with her, but I wouldn't hang out with her outside of it. Even though Sierra would call me over and over. So how am I isolated? Sierra is always trying to hang out. These are the choices Amanda is making. They don't think they did anything wrong because they're two single people. And I know that west is saying to Amanda because he said it last week. He has put bad thoughts of Sierra into Amanda's head and she believes it because at the end of the day too, when Amanda's saying I have a lot to think about, she's really saying, I have a lot for Wes to tell me what to think about because she is doesn't. She doesn't care. She's not. She's an active participant, but she is letting life happen to her. She does not care Care. She was picked. She's going to be the different one. She's going from the side chick to the number one side chick. She's Holly Madison and he's Hugh Hefner.

[Mary]

Okay, okay. On that note, let's take a break.

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[Courtney]

did you never know about Holly Madison working her way up the seven girlfriends?

[Mary]

I I know about that, so I'm

[Courtney]

just saying maybe she got some tips.

[Mary]

Oh man. Yeah. Okay.

[Courtney]

I wanted to talk about Jesse on Watch what Happens Live before we get into the episode because he had brought a timeline. We were pushed off of the timeline at the reunion and then Andy only highlighted a few points but said don't worry, Jesse will post it on socials. And I don't think Jesse wanted to post it on on socials.

[Mary]

Mary I also felt like Andy was a little rushed on Watch what Happens Live last night. I felt sometimes I think he has off nights and I think last night was an off night for Andy and I. I was upset that they didn't show us a screenshot of it so we could kind of go over it ourselves. He just quickly ran through it. Thank God we have each other to analyze it more thoroughly.

[Courtney]

Well and sometimes it's like I wish that these Watch what Happens Live. Like there are certain guests, I'm like give them an hour show. This could been another hour. I love Rachel Lindsay so much I love her talking, like, her talking points on that. I. I will say I felt bad for Jesse because he definitely confirmed that KJ and Dara had broken up. And he was like, sorry if that wasn't public. And I could just see him be like, oh, God, I'm going to have to send a text after this one.

[Mary]

That feels like common knowledge.

[Courtney]

At this point, though, Rachel didn't know.

[Mary]

I mean, nowhere on the Internet has it seemed that they got back together.

[Courtney]

Well, but she didn't know they had broken up the second time when and when he said they're broken up, she was like, oh, yeah, they were. But he's like, no again. And so anyways, that just felt like a Jesse blunder right there. But I'm like, he did not want to post this because he posted a carousel, and it was the last one in the smallest font he could. Now, why don't I read out the timeline and after each date we can dissect.

[Mary]

Go ahead.

[Courtney]

Okay. Now, when I look at this timeline, I don't think this is a timeline of when Wes and Amanda started. I think this is a timeline of Jesse's suspicions of west and Amanda, which is why it starts in February. That's when he started to think, what's going on? Yeah. Okay, so February 10th, W&A go to dinner in Miami without me. And that's where it all set off, because he was pissed he was not included in the dinner because he was included in the night after.

[Mary]

So also, super bowl was on February 8th. So then two days later, they end up in Miami. But I just think that's an interesting point because Brianna, chicken fry at that point, is already saying stuff she's telling

[Courtney]

Dave at Super Bowl. And by the way, this is at Miami where he's claiming nothing happened, that Kyle's talking about him and Amanda's sex life.

[Mary]

Right. And then we also know on January 19th, she slept at his house.

[Courtney]

17th. 19th is the statement of Kyle and Amanda, but yes, which is why we think that they had to throw that out there. Right. Because that's when Sierra started getting suspicious.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Okay. February 27, a friend of a friend says W and A seemed into each other and left a bar together. Same week, word gets back that chicken fries telling people they're hooking up. So again, do not tell chicken fry your secret. Yeah, gonna tell everyone. February 28th, brunch with the boys. Except W leaves after to have another brunch with A. And friends doesn't mention A. Is at the lunch. Later, Kyle and I run into Them at a bar. W and A are sitting next to each other. A jumps up when she sees us, kisses Kyle on the mouth. I joke, I can't believe you and west are dating. She says, west is my boy. Kyle and I leave. Wa and friends all apparently head back to W's place. And this is where Lindsay's line of imagine having to kiss your husband in front of your boyfriend.

[Mary]

It's, like, so, so crazy.

[Courtney]

The thing is, too, they were messy, which is why I don't believe that it went back further than, like, January. And I just. I also. And look, I know we've had a lot of villains on Bravo that have lied to us straight to our faces, and they have sworn on very important people in their lives, but for some reason, Amanda's swearing on Ryder and Reese. I believe her. And you're all calling me dumb right now, but let me have it, okay?

[Mary]

I think it started in January.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I'm thinking that too. I'm thinking New Year's, because also, we mentioned last week, right? She said she stayed New Year's at home. So then of course, and literally FBI. You are not hiring enough Bravo sleuths, okay? Because there is a post from west on New Year's Eve where he's doing some dancing video in his apartment, and the chair in front of him has this black and white checkered jacket on it, and people have matched it to a jacket that Amanda has worn. First, they thought it was the jacket that west wore on in the city when he, Sierra, and Amanda met up. But upon further inspection, they found one that Amanda has that looks just like it.

[Mary]

Wow. Also, you remember that video? They're good friends with that cook, Tess and I. I would love to know what she knows because.

[Courtney]

Oh, she knows everything. I know she knows everything. Remember that one video where they're doing the mukbang with the bulldak and she tries to cover them? There's something weird. It's something weird. Okay, March 2nd, tell Lindsay my suspicions in Toronto. She says no way. March 3rd, tell W that Kyle was annoyed he ditched brunch for a. W says it's not weird. We hang out a lot as friends, always in groups. Those liars always add an extra detail.

[Mary]

It is quite strange to say always in groups, right?

[Courtney]

You're trying to cover because you're like. You got to make sure it's like liars always add too many details. Okay, March 5th, ask W about the Dumois rumors. His response? We're half as bad as you and Sierra. Like the PG version. What does that mean boner cuddling?

[Mary]

Yeah, like in the bed and stuff.

[Courtney]

In.

[Mary]

In the boobies,

[Courtney]

using them as pillows. Okay, March 6th, Cabo FaceTime. Sierra. Sierra's suspicious, too. I call Kyle. He still thinks nothing is going on. I feel like this is like Jesse's journal. He tells me A's location was off the morning after we ran into them at the bar. He was supposed to pick up the dogs that morning. Where were the dogs?

[Mary]

We also, we got a DM from someone that said they talked to Jesse Solomon in Cabo and he was saying that they hooked up.

[Courtney]

I do remember this, but whatever. Jesse. You know what? Jesse dropped a timeline, and we forgive him for everything. We are solid women.

[Mary]

No, but I think he was. He was just voicing. He's like, I think this is happening, and they're denying it, but this is my truth. This is what I think is happening. And he was right.

[Courtney]

Yeah, exactly. He was being gaslit. But where do you think the dogs were? Like, did Amanda turn her location off and she had the dogs at West's house, or did she leave the dogs overnight at her house?

[Mary]

I think that's a question we will never know the answer to.

[Courtney]

Maybe next week we'll find out.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Courtney]

March 10th, W sends me a Reddit thread of someone saying I think they're asks me to stop feeding into it. Says that the rumors online are almost over. I say, I'm not telling Randos and Cabo that I think you're hooking up. His words. There's nothing to confirm. It was kind of funny for a day, but I'm tired now. I mean, that is

[Mary]

why deny, deny?

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Well, maybe at that point, they were hooking up, they were having fun. They didn't think it would turn into anything else. And they were, like, going to take it to the grave. They're still going to take it to the grave as of March 10th. But something changes.

[Courtney]

Maybe Miha was like, what the is going on? We're exclusive. Maybe he's trying to cover for the other women that are in his life at this point because he has been not that honest with the zillions of women he has dated. And it's zillions with a Z. He says, okay, March 11th, drinks with a. I grill her. Full denial. I remember this photo. Don't you remember that they posted? If you see us together, we're just friends.

[Mary]

She was gaslighting all of us. She loved doing it. And I honestly, I do think she did a lot of this subconsciously. I really do. I think she didn't think she was gonna get caught or something.

[Courtney]

I think she loved the secret. I think she loved having a secret. I also think she had no idea the other things that Wes was doing. And so we know that Courtney, we

[Mary]

saw her real reaction to finding out about me.

[Courtney]

Oh, I know, but I'm saying, like, I think she thought they had this special little secret. It was fun. It was exciting. It's like what Wes wants to go back to six weeks earlier, you know, when they were a secret. Okay. March 20, Neutrogena event in Miami with Sierra and Lindsay. Everyone's suspicious. Sierra wait for the reunion. So Sierra and Kyle at this point, I think have either talked to mija. They have gotten confirmation of that video, whatever it is. But she's like, I am not saying anything because, Jesse, you will quack like a canary. And I know that's not the line. Sing like a canary. Sing like a canary. Quack. That's not true. Okay, March 21st, randomly go meet w out a there too. Didn't know we all go back to his place. Place a jokes sarcastically. Are you gonna add this to the list of reasons why you think I'm my best friend? I leave. That's insane. This is insane. I also though I think she kind of also with the subconscious wanted to get caught. I think she was breadcrumbing because I think she wanted people to know that she had won the prize, not realizing that she was sharing that crown like she was a plastic and mean girl. March 22, Kyle checks find my friends A stayed over. Amanda, why haven't you removed Kyle from your find my friends? You guys are not together, right?

[Mary]

No. And then we know on March 23 that MIHA spent the night at West's house because he goes on watch what happens live on March 24th.

[Courtney]

Oh, my God. You're so right. Mary.

[Mary]

Did he even change the sheet Sheets?

[Courtney]

Ew. Because you know he didn't. And you know he has navy sheets. Okay. Or he has, like, flannel jersey I okay. And a mattress on the floor.

[Mary]

Matt.

[Courtney]

March 30th. Rumors spreading but still believe them that nothing's true based on what they've told me. I text w love and support feeling bad for them. March 31. The news drops confirms everything. I call west out for lying. He's nonch I ask how long it's been. A little over a month, he said. He tells me he thinks he loves her.

[Mary]

And then he says that at the reunion Jesse does. Now, do you think that Andy at the in the city Reunion is going to grill her Any more about her and Wes timeline?

[Courtney]

Yes.

[Mary]

Nobody believes it.

[Courtney]

I. I think he has to. I think it is central to this storyline even though we're watching the crash and burn of Kyle and Amanda. But I do think that Andy will ask did you get that apartment? Did Wes come over? I think he's going to ask a little bit more to try to figure out more of the timeline. It depends on what we get next week too, I assume. Obviously Andy's already seen next week's episode so that those aren't going to crash in with the questions. But then I also wonder too, is he going to do follow up from that episode?

[Mary]

And how many more episodes do we have of in the city?

[Courtney]

It must be like four or five. That was episode four of this Week so I bet it's like an 88 episode season. That's my guess at least.

[Mary]

So we might be halfway. Yeah.

[Courtney]

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[Mary]

Probably. I have to tell you though, Courtney about I'm obsessed. I got these Steve Madden venita pants. They're like linen but you can dress them up or dress them down. I bought them for Baja Mar and I have been wearing them non stop since I thought it was more like a swim cover up. No, you can like wear them with heels. They're so cute. And then they also have this other duo cargo pant that I want to get next and they come in two days.

[Courtney]

I love Revolve. I mean I got a couple of dresses that I wore when I was in Sardinia the other week and they were adorable. My friends were like where did you get those? And he said revolve because you know why I had to order them before I left? Because I was super concerned that I didn't have enough enough beach cover ups. Even though we were just in Bahamar and I had other ones but I had to wear other things. Italy and Baja Mar are totally different so it was really nice to have that. Fast shipping. Two days came I got it. I was able to pack it the day before, get it going into my suitcase. Whether it's a girl's night, a date or one of those I need to look hot but not like I tried too hard. Moments. Revolve always has it. Go to Revolve.comjudgy and use code JUDGY J U D G E Y for 15 off your first order. Fast shipping, easy returns. It just works. That's Revolve.comJUDGY and you can shop our faves and get 15% off your first order offer ends June 18th, so don't miss out. Let's take a break and we'll be right back.

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[Mary]

Let's get into this reunion. We are on a break when they

reconform, and the music is.

It's just kind of spooky, and it's kind of haunting. And Jesse's talking. He's like, I'm thinking about chopping my hair this summer. Mia says, let's talk about that. That's a bad idea, basically.

[Courtney]

I don't know why that was so funny. She's like, you're not about to make yourself ugly, sir.

[Mary]

Yeah, she was trying to help him out. And then Bailey is kind of on the couch alone. And then Amanda walks out, and Bailey is such a girl's girl. She's like, I'm just worried about you, and this is just not looking good. And Amanda's just like, maybe I am naive. Maybe this will be a huge mistake, and I'll wake up and I'll realize it.

[Courtney]

But, Mary, you were giving way too much emotion right now. Like, you are acting as if Amanda is actually saying something where she's just saying, maybe I am naive. Maybe this will be a huge mistake and I'll wake up and realize it. It's hard to explain myself when there's no one that's going to listen. It was like talking to a robot. People are really upset, too, that Bailey was being nice to Amanda. I mean, Kyle is literally defending her left and right. It does not not weird me out that Bailey was trying to do that, because I also think, too, is that Bailey's trying to sit there and be like, maybe I need to go a different approach with Amanda yelling at her or, like, telling her she's dumb or, like, she's gonna look stupid. Like, that might not be getting to her. Maybe coming in with a different viewpoint of saying, like, hey, I'm just worried about you.

[Mary]

No, she was being a good friend in that moment. She was just, like, letting her venture, and she was listening to her, and she was just like, this is not gonna be good for you.

[Courtney]

I'm.

[Mary]

I'm genuinely concerned. Bailey's a girl's girl.

[Courtney]

It's also wild, too, because they're all saying the same thing in different ways. Like, they're literally so shocked that Amanda and I do. Again, I do think that she hears all of what they're saying, but they're like, how are you still going to be with him? Even the fact that you're gonna go home and think about it. It. You went to Italy with him, so you thought about it and you said, they're all wrong. It's us against them. The fact of how male centered she is is crazy.

[Mary]

Well, I mean, Andy asked the question, you know, a viewer wrote in, do you guys feel like you have to go the distance? Basically? Do you feel like you have to get married and have babies? And he's basically admits to, yeah, we kind of got to make this work, don't we? I mean, yeah.

[Courtney]

Yes.

[Mary]

You are forced into this situationship. You were forced to make it exclusive. You have been pigeonholed. And they really do have to try to make this work for as long as they can, if you ask me.

[Courtney]

Well, and it's funny because Wes says like, well, that's not why this should work. But he feels the pressure. He knows he has to. Even when Andy asks them, when did you feel something? Like, we need to talk about that? Amanda's answer is basically saying, well, when Wes picked me, that's when I knew I liked him.

[Mary]

You're so right. That is so true.

[Courtney]

It was so embarrassing to listen to her say. It wasn't like a slow burn or a rush of emotions. Like Wes said, am I crazy or is there something. And that's when I was like, he picked me.

[Mary]

Yeah, you're so right. You're so right. He said something and then all my emotions came flooding in, like, I won. I've been picked.

[Courtney]

Yes.

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[Mary]

And then him explaining it, he's like, yeah, so Andy, like, we just, like,

[Courtney]

we hung out a lot and there

[Mary]

were really special times. And, you know, it was really nice to just see her happy and.

[Courtney]

And him saying, And I did that. Like, Kyle couldn't. Because I also have this. I don't even think it's a conspiracy theory because I feel like it's probably true. But when West's ultimate goal was to become the better Kyle, he was going to take over Summer House, which was Kyle's show, because he was going to be the new class, he was going to be the fun guy, and he was going to be the new Kyle. And everyone was going to talk about how Wes saved Summer House, blah, blah, blah. And then he overtakes Kyle's life by taking the girl.

[Mary]

It's seriously insane. But I mean, what did they think was going to happen? Why did they think this was going to be a good look? Because he was. He is trying to be Kyle.

[Courtney]

2.0. They didn't think that's the thing. And like Lindsay says this at the end is like, you guys are so short sighted for a hookup. What Lindsay said is like a burn. But at the same time, it's like, Amanda doesn't think this is just a hookup. So she's actually not going to take your words at face value because they've had had conversations. I'm putting quotes around that, right? Conversations about the L word. They're not gonna say it, but they're gonna have conversations about it. In Amanda's mind, their level of relationship, even though he was refusing to claim her basically, but saying like, yeah, we're exclusive. We weren't when the feelings started, but then we were monogamous once. The joint statement was because she basically forced my hand. But in Amanda's mind, she's like, you guys have no idea the level of seriousness that this situationship is now. So like Lindsay calling it a hookup, Amanda's like, it's not a hookup. You have no idea. You don't know.

[Mary]

I. I genuinely, I need this to work out for them because what is

[Courtney]

Frank and Donna Batula saying right now? What are Wes parents saying? What's really crazy to me. And I texted this to our friends earlier. I was like, they both come from, like these really great family. Families seemingly, right? What is it that they feel the need to do this? Right? They have like these great examples from their parents, and yet, like, Wes is this big boy. And I was like, I just can't figure it out. And then our friend wrote back, no, no, it's just privileged. They are just, we're in such a privileged household growing up that they were like, overconfident. We're like, we don't give a it.

[Mary]

That's an interesting perspective. And I think at the end of the day, he cares about his public likability and that's the most important thing to him.

[Courtney]

And that's what's crazy. It's like, okay, at the end of the day for them, the fact that they didn't think this through because they don't think anything's wrong with it. But I'm like, okay, Amanda will choose a man over a friend any day of the week because she doesn't have any friends and she's male centered West. He will choose clout over anything all day, every day. The extended scenes that we got to see and I wanted to talk about the Ben extended scene because it's actually kind of annoying that they didn't Include these. I think that a lot of these extended scenes have really helped tell the story, and I'm kind of mad that they didn't include that in the original, but I thought that Ben's statement was, like, pretty profound. Of reading west, what did you think?

[Mary]

I mean, he basically was like, your whole thing is, like being a boy's boy, and that's the farthest from what you really are. That was interesting. I feel like they did a big disservice. Jesse is crying the entire episode because it comes out in the extended version that this happened to him this summer as well. One of his best friends hooked up with someone he dated. I'm like, this makes so much more sense. And we also know Courtney. He's tired.

[Courtney]

He's very tired. The tour starts tomorrow. But I wanted to go back to Ben's statement because I thought what was really good about Ben's statement was that he was like, like. So you were kind of viewed as, like, a leader of the boys pack, which is Kyle 2.0, right? We're phasing Kyle out. This is like the core group of you, me, K.J. and Jesse. You're kind of the leader here, and then you do something like that to really mess with the group's integrity. And not only that, you wouldn't do this to the guys you grew up with that are, like, your good friends. Which makes us believe that, like, we're not your good friends sense.

[Mary]

But we don't know what he's capable of. I mean, him developing a cough during this last part of the reunion was a physical reaction.

[Courtney]

What was the uncomfortable questions is when the cough happened, like, are you in love? You know, it's like, what are your plans with Amanda? He literally. I mean, I feel like he was coughing because he was trying to give himself time.

[Mary]

It was just creeping me out so, so much.

[Courtney]

I'm also wondering what the inside of his mouth looks like. It must be so raw. No, no, no. Because he's biting the inside of his lips so much that I'm like, oh, my God. He must have taken off all of that skin, because that was, like, a way for him to either, like, not say anything, hold in the rage, just like, a nervous habit. But I'm like, that his mouth must have been torn up.

[Mary]

That was just from the medicine. Oh, the beta blockers, really? I mean, he's like, probably dry mouth

[Courtney]

and going like, I wish you guys could see what Mary's doing.

[Mary]

I. I think that is.

[Courtney]

She's doing Westmouth.

[Mary]

I think it's all from being on the medicine. Whatever medicine he was on.

[Courtney]

Anything can be considered medicine. If you call it that.

[Mary]

Okay, should we take a quick break and we'll get into part two?

[Courtney]

Absolutely.

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