TJG: (Part 2) Summer House S10 Reunion Part 2!

Summary

Two Judgey Girls: "Summer House S10 Reunion Part 2!" (June 3, 2026)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Courtney and Mary dive deep into Part 2 of the Summer House Season 10 Reunion, dissecting the biggest scandals, emotional confrontations, and social dynamics at the heart of Bravo's most dramatic cast. Their analysis focuses on the fallout of the Amanda-Wes drama, shifting alliances, race and friendship on reality TV, the show's evolving relationships, and what it all means both for this friend group and for viewers at home.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Amanda, Wes, and the Fallout

• The core of the reunion revolves around Amanda and Wes's clandestine relationship, the aftermath with ex-husband Kyle, and Amanda’s friendship fallout with Sierra.
• Lindsay accuses Wes of being a "womanizer" and links his behavior to deep personal hurt, drawing comparisons to KJ's father—“He destroyed my family and he was a habitual liar, and he makes people feel good. And I just see such a correlation with Wes and my dad.” (Mary, 04:07)
• Courtney points out Amanda’s use of "buzzwords" like “I see you,” noting how the cast and fans both pick up on the performative aspect of these interactions (06:52).
• The revelation about Wes's relationships overlapping with Miha is a central bombshell. Miha is called on FaceTime, bringing receipts that disrupt the group’s narrative and exposing Wes’s double-dealing (10:06).
• Amanda admits to feeling “embarrassed” for hooking up with Wes while he saw Miha—“That is embarrassing, Amanda.” (Mary quoting Miha, 23:10)

2. Race, Friendship & Silences

• KJ raises racial dynamics and calls out Wes's treatment of Cyr (Sierra), a topic that Wes attempts to sidestep: “If you want to have a conversation, I’d love to... but not right now.” (Mary, 04:58)
• Courtney analyzes Wes’ silence: “If you say something and it makes you look stupid, then you shouldn’t have said something... Silence is golden.” (05:26)
• Sierra’s friendship with Amanda is revealed as deeply broken: "You’ve been in the bed with me for the past six years... it’s not about Wes. It is about you betraying your best friend." (Courtney, 07:46)

3. Production, Image, and Manipulation

• Both hostesses discuss how being single is an advantage for casting, and how Wes manipulated that for more screen time: “They want hot, young, single people. And Wes used that to his advantage.” (Courtney, 11:05)
• Critique on Wes’s influence: “He does not have all the tools in that kit. It’s like one random hammer... He’s got like a Phillips screwdriver, but not the other one.” (Courtney, 12:18)

4. Kyle & Amanda’s Dynamic Post-Split

• Mary's empathy for Kyle's continued protectiveness over Amanda: “He feels some sort of responsibility for her. He also feels responsible for her low self-esteem... trying to course correct, but at this point it’s not working.” (Mary, 28:54)
• Courtney highlights Amanda's agency and insists on her accountability: “She was an active participant... You have to stop infantilizing her in a way, because it’s not working. She does deserve the heat she’s getting from Sierra." (Courtney, 32:07)

5. Emotional Toll, Tears, and the "Huddle"

• Amanda’s backstage breakdown after being called out for “embarrassing” behavior with Wes. “That is embarrassing, Amanda.”—those words send her off stage (23:10).
• Analysis of the group’s “huddle” coordination against Wes and Amanda, showing clear alliances: “Everyone huddled around Kyle. And it’s like, alright, guys, we gotta focus on the strategy..." (Mary, 29:32)
• Jesse’s emotional fatigue and lost friendship with Wes are discussed as evidence of how real-life repercussions bleed into the show's fabric (Mary & Courtney, 30:43–31:47).

6. Dara’s Perspective on Wes

• Dara returns and delivers a cutting, unemotional assessment of Wes: “His biggest concern is being liked and well received. He wants someone who will mold, fold, and fit into his life without excuse or complaint. It’s up to you to decide what’s worth sacrificing for that kind of person.” (Mary, 40:01)
• Courtney underscores that Amanda risks trading one “main character,” Kyle, for another, Wes, and not becoming the lead in her own life (Courtney, 42:00–42:44).

7. Reflections, Realizations & Broader Takeaways

• Both hosts reflect on how watching these friendship and romantic breakdowns makes viewers think about their own relationships and tendencies (Courtney & Mary, 43:19–43:36).
• Strong empathy for the real, lasting consequences for Amanda, predicting her breakup with Wes will be harder on her than the divorce from Kyle (Courtney, 65:10).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Wes’s Character:
  • “He is lovable, he is likable, but he destroyed my family and he was a habitual liar, and he makes people feel good. And I just see such a correlation with Wes and my dad.” —KJ (Mary's recap, 04:07)
• On Amanda’s Accountability:
  • “You have to stop infantilizing her in a way, because it’s not working. She does deserve the heat she’s getting from Sierra...” —Courtney (32:07)
• On Production Tactics:
  • “They want hot, young, single people. And Wes used that to his advantage…” —Courtney (11:05)
• Miha Calling Out Amanda:
  • “That is embarrassing, Amanda.” —Miha, via Mary (23:10)
• Dara’s Assessment of Wes:
  • “He wants someone that will mold, fold, and fit into his life without excuse or complaint. It’s up to you to decide what is worth sacrificing for that kind of person.” —Dara (40:01)
• On Amanda’s Role:
  • “You can’t be a main character in your own life.” —Courtney (42:44)
• On Reality TV Lessons:
  • “Sometimes you have to watch these shows and, like, reflect on your own life...” —Courtney (43:19)
• On Kyle & Amanda’s Relationship:
  • “I don’t think he was a good husband. I don’t think she was a good wife... it’s a sunken cost fallacy. Like, that’s literally why they got married: they had this show.” —Courtney (61:58)

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Notable Extended/Behind-the-Scenes Insights

• Extended scenes provide more context, especially around Amanda's evasive answers about her relationship with Wes and the group’s strategizing during breaks (22:35–30:43).
• Courtney expresses frustration at the cuts for time removing crucial confrontational moments, pointing out the loss of detail in the broadcast cut versus the extended version (44:17–44:51).

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Key Timestamps

• 04:07 – KJ’s emotional comparison of Wes to his own father.
• 06:52 – Buzzwords ("I see you") conversation dissected.
• 10:06 – The FaceTime bombshell with Miha.
• 23:10 – Miha’s confrontation with Amanda: “That is embarrassing.”
• 29:32 – The backstage huddle and group strategy.
• 40:01 – Dara’s matter-of-fact takedown of Wes’s relationship patterns.
• 42:00–42:44 – Discussion about Amanda’s inability to be the main character in her own story.
• 65:10 – Courtney predicts Amanda’s eventual heartbreak after Wes.

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Tone and Style

The tone is biting, witty, and deeply invested—both hosts mix empathy and tough love, never shying from strong opinions but rooting them in observable behaviors and fan consensus. They're both quick to claim their own biases and admit when they become reflective or emotional, and they sprinkle in humor reminiscent of Bravo’s own meta-take on their shows.

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Overall Takeaway

Courtney and Mary offer an incisive, multi-layered breakdown of Summer House’s most volatile season yet. They piece apart public statements and private feelings, call out manipulative behaviors, lament inevitable heartbreaks, and expose the difference between appearances and motivations on reality TV. The episode leaves listeners with a sense of catharsis, unresolved questions, and the tantalizing promise that this pipeline of drama still has plenty more to offer.

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Next Week: Courtney and Mary will recap the finale of the reunion and preview both "Summer House: In The City" and what comes next for Bravo’s most scrutinized friend group. Stay tuned!

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[Courtney]

Mm. We're gonna do our best. I'm sorry, it's like, it's been a week. It's tough. I know it's tough. Okay. I watched the show so many times. I'm still gonna watch it one more time today.

[Mary]

Okay, so it's Lindsay calling Wes to Patty, and she's like, we believe nothing you say. And Amanda is having a really hard time. She's crying. She's, you know, using a crying gomo. She has napkin. West does touch her knee. And kj, the sweetest man, he's like, you know, I don't want to interrupt, but the way that Wes comes across is as a womanizer. He reminds me of my own father. And he is lovable, he is likable, but he destroyed my family and he was a habitual liar, and he makes people feel good. And I just see such a correlation with west and my dad. And then he starts talking about race, and he's just like, I don't like the way that you have treated Cyr. And Wes literally says, yeah, he's completely agreeing. And then he kind of deflects and says, well, kj, if you want to have a conversation, I'd love to do that, but not right now, kind of. And I'm like, how did that get pushed to the side?

[Courtney]

Well, sometimes being silent, and I think this is the approach that west is happening is like, if you say something and it makes you look stupid, then like, you shouldn't have said something. Right. And so, like, silence is golden in that regard. So, like, if I don't say anything, then you can't interpret whatever. It's like, yeah, we'll. We'll interpret everything. Don't worry even if you said it or didn't. But I think, like, when it comes down to it, KJ was really hurt by it. He's like, west didn't text me when this all went down, it seeming like when Wes sent the text message out, it was like, to the core cast, he will say that it's to people I hurt, but it's like, you really. You guys messed up with everybody on this cast, and everyone deserves some sort of text. And so the fact that Wes texted KJ after the reunion, now that we know they had this little side conversation. Okay, I get that. But I think Wes did himself a disservice by not talking more and trying to give his side of the situation more. You know, this goes into the conversation where Andy's like, yeah, you know, speaking of that, Sierra, you had this really great conversation where you were talking about this. And I love what Sierra said, too. And she was like, you know, if you're not my friend, if you don't want to talk about, like, the political climate, like, this is her world. So, like, you do need to be a part of this. And it just is very clear to me that Wes and Amanda throughout the season were using buzzwords like, I see you. And that was a really big thing that the audience had picked up when. When Wes made out with that girl, Sierra got upset, went upstairs. Amanda was like, I see you.

[Mary]

You know, hearing you, I never thought about it as buzzwords, but they so are.

[Courtney]

And Andy asked Ciara, like, so did you believe Wes when he said that? She was like, well, then, yeah, yeah. But like, now, no. And Amanda tries to respond, like, everything I said to you was truly how I felt. Like I got caught up in my feelings. Like, this has hurt me a lot for you. It's like, shut.

[Mary]

That was hard to hear.

[Courtney]

Then they all kind of, like, yell at her. Like, oh, it was really hard. Like, oh, you guys have been gallivanting around town basically. Like, you've been in all the dive bars. Someone says, like, they've been in every dive bar in the west vill. And then Sierra is like, it really hasn't. You've been in the bed with me for the past six years. I'm like, this is where we're at. Sierra cannot understand this. It's like, it's not about west. At the end of the day, it is not about Wes. It is about you betraying your best friend, about Sierra trying to get you to see that you are Amanda Batuglia. Okay? And now as Amanda Batuglia, you are now the sideshow from the Kyle show to the west show show. And you can't even be a main character in your own life.

[Mary]

Kyle's like, the. The Kyle show wasn't that bad. Okay.

[Courtney]

Just like going back to Sierra is like, Sierra has done everything for you. She has tried to say, let me help you see who I see. You can do this. You can be this person. You are so much more than you give yourself credit for. You have let your self esteem get in the gutter from this man. Do not do that. How can I help you? And I think I said this last week too, is like, and then you did this and you proved everything correct of who you are and not who I saw you as.

[Mary]

I know she's showing her true colors. And then Andy asks her, what do you think is going to be different with you and West? And Amanda's just like, well, we've had a lot of private conversations. I'm not going to share everything. And do you guys know how embarrassed I felt to say that I have kissed west and he was seeing Miha?

[Courtney]

Okay, so last week I was thinking about why they lied about that timeline. They didn't sleep together till after the statement. And I was like, oh my God. It's because of Wes dating Miha because she didn't want it to be that she was sleeping with someone who Wes was quote, unquote, exclusively seeing. So she says it happened after the statement because the statement is when they decided to be officially a situation. Whatever. It was like she would be the only girl at that point. So she's using that not to throw us off the scent of when they really hooked up, but more so she didn't look like the other woman, more so that she could say he wasn't sleeping around with everyone and I was just one of the girls. I was the only girl. Once we released that statement, the brilliance

[Mary]

of having Neha on FaceTime at the end, that was completely unpredictable. We kept on saying, when is she gonna do a pod? When is she gonna come forward? I've seen her tiktoks alluding to things, but I was shocked to see her talking with Ciara and Kyle. And I just thought that was very well played by both of Ciara and Miha and production completely in hearing the details behind it that he was saying, I love you, goes on, watch what happens live.

[Courtney]

Wears that tie calls her his friend. Watch what happens live.

[Mary]

He can't say for his job that he's dating someone.

[Courtney]

But you know what's crazy about that though is like, there is a bit of truth to that because the reason that, like, some people weren't like asked back or like they don't get cast on Summer House is because they're in a relationship when we want to go back to the Ben and Sabrina of it all. Realistically, Ben's not going to be on the show if he has some girlfriend. Now. Everyone loves Sabrina Bale, so it's like totally fine. But realistically, they want hot, young, single people. And Wes used that to his advantage to manipulate the situation with her completely.

[Mary]

And I, I will say, probably coming into the house, it's an advantage to be single because perhaps, you know, you'd hook up with someone in the house or people want to watch, like, this dating life. Also, the whole show's concept is about singles having a blast during the summer.

[Courtney]

Kyle literally said, season one, no couples in the house, and made it an exception for Everett and Lindsay and then Amanda. Like, the whole thing was no couples in the house.

[Mary]

You're, you're, you're right. Thank God you have that brain, your memory half the time.

[Courtney]

Half the time it works and it's great when it does. But, like, realistically, he was able to use that to his advantage to say that. And it makes, if I'm hurt, it makes perfect sense. He's like, hey, I'm going to go film, stay and build my IKEA furniture. And, you know, like I've said, there's nothing wrong with a Billy bookcase, but also, like, level up here and there. You know, this woman has got a toolkit, and I feel like Wes does not have all the tools in that kit. It's like one random hammer. Like, he's got like a Phillips screwdriver, but not the other one. You know, she's has to use the Ikea, that little Z tool. You know, he's using that because he doesn't have the other tools. Like, she's on her hands and knees. He's put the chair backwards together. He has a weaponized incompetence. So, like, she does everything over the weekend.

[Mary]

When she said she would be at his apartment while he filmed, I was like, this guy completely manipulated her. It is really sad to see. I wonder if any of them had met Miha besides Jesse Solomon.

[Courtney]

Well, and also what I think is crazy, too, is like Wes says at one point, too, he's like, you know, I've been pretty public with all the people that I've hooked up with or says something along the lines of that. And I'm like, you have. We've literally never heard of this woman until it was exposed that you had some quote unquote girlfriend. So maybe in the influencer world that you've hooked up with, like, if it was Brianna chicken fry or like that Halle bachelor girl. And then he had that random, like. It's kind of like the chicken shop date. I forgot what. What it was. But, you know, with all those little influencer girls that he, like, hooked up with, I'm like, maybe in the public figure space, people have known. But no, people do not know who you're hooking up with on the regular, because why would they?

[Mary]

I mean, him to wear that tie and show his love for Mija on watch what happens live. To be called out for the Amanda situation at the same time is actually so fucking insane. And that she was at his apartment, I mean, and you see what you want to see. And he probably Sweets talks them so well, hypes them up, up. It is genuinely scary.

[Courtney]

I mean, truly, it's wild. Because why would she think any different than what he told her? Why would she think he's lying to her? Why would she think, like, when he's like, hey, I film a show, it is fake. Like, this season, you know, it's probably going to be me and Sierra again. And then I think about that one weekend, though, that he kissed that one girl.

[Mary]

What was the plan there?

[Courtney]

What was his plan there? And then I think when he kissed Sierra the last weekend, like, was he gonna say we were acting. Acting a fool? I mean, it's just like, I'm like, what was his end game there? Or at that point, was he done? The mind of a crazy man is what we're trying to decipher right now. I think he is a womanizer. At the end of the day, I think he got. The whole reason that he broke up with Sierra was because he liked the newfound fame he got. He was the new Bravo it boy. Everybody loved him. He didn't want to jump into a serious relationship. He wanted to enjoy the new fame. He got it.

[Mary]

He would have won March Madness had he not tagged Rob. And the exact next day, this scandal went out, you know, literally broke.

[Courtney]

And then he still DMed us and was like, thanks for putting on such a fun competition. And, like, I didn't want to mention it. And I just said, hey, thanks for always participating. Also, though, Rob Roush, feel free to acknowledge March Madness. Okay? You shaved your head. You look fucking hot. You can acknowledge the competition, okay? We can't keep having traders if they're not gonna acknowledge. Okay. And maybe some of you want that.

[Mary]

We could take him out. We could take him out.

[Courtney]

And we said this last week, too, but I'm like, it really is so crazy. Because now when I see Wes on that couch, I'm so not attracted to him.

[Mary]

Like, I think he's scruffy looking.

[Courtney]

I think he's messy. I think he's just, like, very unkempt. But before it was like, he's so fun. He's got such fun style. Like his messy hair. We kind of love that. Oh, he's, like, sweaty. Oh, that's so real. You know, we would make excuses because we thought, like, his personality was attract and it's just so crazy. I mean, guys, I gaslit people into thinking Tom Sandoval was hot, and then he did what he did and he does. I'm still sorry.

[Mary]

I do think we should revote this year. If people want to include the Traders. We will do a revote.

[Courtney]

Let's see who's cast.

[Mary]

Exactly.

[Courtney]

Yes. But I. I think that's a great idea. Brilliant.

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What if Lindsay and Carl went on the Traders together?

[Courtney]

Oh, they would be diabolical. But Carl's a traitor and Lindsay's a faithful. Oh, but I want Carl to be a faithful because I want him to be like the Dylan Efron. I want him.

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He would be the pilot.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Like, I want him to be king of the Faithfuls. I mean, he would be the Rob Roush who was king of the Faithfuls as a traitor.

[Mary]

Right. Lindsay would also make a fantastic trader.

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Oh, God, Lindu would be so good.

[Mary]

Yeah, it would be. So she would be like the Lisa Rinna.

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Well, okay. Lisa Rinna wasn't a good trader though,

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but fun to watch at camp.

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Yes. She would bring some fun style too. Okay, should we take a break and come back?

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[Courtney]

Okay, so I want to go back to this conversation that Amanda talks about because there is an extended scene here where Mia asks Amanda, so what are these conversations that you and west have had? Because they're alluding to, you know, what their relationship status is. And that's when Amanda said, as you said, like, well, they're private and I don't want to talk about it. And when she makes that, that embarrassing comment like I had, it's embarrassing that I'm kissing him and he's kissing other girls. And Mia just calmly responds saying, that is embarrassing. Amanda. Which causes her to walk away. Something three words. That is embarrassing. It what breaks her to have to get off the stage because that is embarrassing.

[Mary]

It was embarrassing. So embarrassing. It still is embarrassing. This is something that she has like a scarlet letter on her.

[Courtney]

WW Turn it, Wicked witch. Turn it around. West Wilson, we're being professional. Go. Stop it.

[Mary]

Okay, so then Lindsay whispers on the couch, why isn't her boyfriend going after her. And then Sierra goes, you should go after your girl. And Wes is like, well, I'm sitting here because, like, I didn't know if more questions were going to come come back at me. And Kyle's, like, kind of protecting Amanda in this moment and tells Sierra, like, hey. And she's like, you know what? You roll in the mud, then you're gonna get dirty. And Lindsay's like, I have never left this stage. What I have gone through. Are you kidding me? And then she's like, wes, get up and go after your girl. Be a man and go. Go after her. And Wes is like, well, then you're gonna say, we both left. This is what you want. You're, like, bullying me to go after her. And Kyle's like, I'm gonna go after. Everyone's like, I'm gonna go after him. He's like, I'm not going after her.

[Courtney]

Amanda leaves, and, you know, she's, like, willing it. She is manifesting it. She is Amanda francising it. She's gone from Petula to Francis, and she is manifesting that her man or her kind of man or the man that she is sleeping with because she is single will get up and come after her. And then he gets bullied into it, and he's like, hey, so, like, if you're gonna cry, like, can you cry on stage? Like, he doesn't know what to do because he's like, no, no. I'm the fake knight in shining armor, okay? Now that I have to, like, claim you, even though I still won't. Like, I don't want to do this anymore. When you had Kyle, it was great. And you know what, Kyle, knock it off.

[Mary]

You explained that so well. And the best part about this is she thinks that he was the knight in shining armor and came backstage to help her, and she's like, this is just. It's cutting so deep. It's really hard. And he's like, well, yeah, just cry on stage, right? Like, we're gonna get through this day. It'll be fine.

[Courtney]

Well, and it's like, look, I get that you, like, need a break, and I understand that. And it was rough, but it's also like, what did you expect from today? When you went into today, what did you think was going to happen? I know you guys don't think what you've done is wrong, so, like, you feel the need to try to convince people it's not wrong. But at the end of the day, the majority does think it's wrong. So Just take it. And the fact is, it is embarrassing. Like, look what you're doing. And I do think that part of the thing that happened with Wes was this literally. I really think that there was like this temporary insanity that she went through because it's like my life is in the gutter. Someone is being nice to me, saying, like, I'm a good person. West is probably feeding her all the things he fed to Meha, all the things that he's fed to all of these girls that he has dated at one point or another. He's good with words when he's not in a confrontation.

[Mary]

And we know Amanda has historically had low self esteem. And that is a direct quote from Sierra.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary]

And Jesse's like, so Kyle, did Amanda ask for you to, like, chill things out today? And Andy's like, no, no, no, he knows her. And that line made me giggle. And Andy's, no, no, no, he, like, knows Amanda. I'm like, like, yeah, I would hope so. They've married for four years and been together a decade. Kyle's like, she's struggling. And west returns and he's like, yeah, she's just taking a beat. And I hear she's just taking a pee. And he's like, we're good, we're good. And Kyle's like, what is going on? This is literally insane. And Lindsay's like, we, everyone, we gotta take a break. And Annie's like, bye, Levi. Hope to see you soon.

[Courtney]

Levi and her cameo of like, why was she even there? I know, like, why did you guys even make her come to the studio that day?

[Mary]

It's so sad. First I thought, why didn't Levi and Dara come out together? But Dara was powerful and I'm glad she got to come out alone.

[Courtney]

Yeah. I want to go back to this though, because I think what's bothering me about the Kyle situation and like, his defense of Amanda is like, look, I understand they were together for like a decade. He feels some sort of responsibility for her. I think he also feels responsible for her low self esteem for the way he's talked to her. And he's kind of trying to course correct, but at this point it's like, kyle, I need you just to stop because you are doing this and it's not reciprocal. In a later scene, once they start talking about the dynamics of Amanda and Kyle, it's clear that it's not the same because you feel like you have to course correct from what you had said and done throughout the relationship. Amanda still did what she did. She's not a victim in this. And though you are directing all of your hate and your anger towards Wes, and he's the manipulator and he's the one that's done all this stuff. She was an active participant. She consented to all of this. She was like, oh, I'm gonna betray my friend. She knew what she was getting into. And so you have to stop infantilizing her in a way, because it's not working. She does deserve the heat she's getting from Sierra because Sierra was her best, and that was a betrayal. And you know what? You should be mad at Amanda too. The fact of, like, regardless, neither of you are perfect. It was not 100% Kyle, 0% Amanda. There's still ownership from both parties. Just instead of trying to defend her, just be silent.

[Mary]

At this point, I think he has felt so responsible for her and protected her for a decade that he doesn't know how to turn that off at this point.

[Courtney]

Yeah, no, and. And I agree in that sense, but I'm like, every time, though, that you tell Sierra comments that Kyle, you told her you. You called her a dumb. Okay, like, so when you're telling Sierra, like, oh, well, that was harsh. It's like, who gives a. Let her say it. Because after this, Sierra's never speaking to her again. The door is closed. So if she does not get it all out here at the reunion, it's not coming out because she's moving on with her life.

[Mary]

Okay, let's talk about the huddle. The way this huddle went down was absolutely hysterical. I actually have a photo. It's Wes solo, and everyone huddled around Kyle. And it's like, all right, guys, we gotta focus on the strategy. Remember our party line last night? We know February 2025, they had a full blown, exclusive relationship. I have the receipts from mija. We will actually call her off stage. You know, stick to the story. Okay. Because we don't know who this guy is. And I'm gonna share the notes.

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[Courtney]

And he is such a liar. I have receipts. That's what I'm saying. He's so focused on hating Wes that he's like, let me defend a man again. Two parties here. Now, Wes is the easy one to get rid of. He's the newer cast member. There's not as many lines. He's over Sierra, too. The only person that's really there for Wes is, like, maybe Jesse. And at the end of the day, Jesse's like, wes, I'll be your friend, but I'm choosing the Group over you. Jesse is very emotional throughout this whole week. And he is just kind of like, I don't want to be involved. I'm not Schwartz.

[Mary]

I also think Jesse, literally the next day he started that tour, and I think he's exhausted. He is feeling the pressure of the tour. He doesn't know if it's going to go well. He's lost this friendship with west, and I think that's why he's super emotional. He's, like, over tired. I always cry when I'm too tired. Oh, my God.

[Courtney]

That's like, the only time I literally will be like, you are so, like, it's frustration tired. And I go, you got 30 seconds to cry. I'll time myself. And that's a psycho thing to do. Like, I'm aware. Like, that is a psycho. Like, that is why sometimes I'm called frame bot. But I'm like, you have have 30 seconds to cry. Get it out. And I'm like, it's just such a hard day. I'm like, okay, so now I'm done. It's like the timer goes off. And I'm like, okay, so anyways, let's move on with our day.

[Mary]

We both aren't criers. I honestly cry about five times a year. And sometimes it will be on the phone with my mom. And I always say I'm just, like, really tired. That's why I'm crying. I'm just tired, you know?

[Courtney]

Don't. This is not a sign of weakness. It's a sign of lack of something. Sleep. Okay. I'm just don't like the only.

[Mary]

Like, I cry.

[Courtney]

I'm like, I happy cry when I'm like, watching a TikTok. That's a really sweet moment. Like, who's cutting the onions in here? But on a Sad cry.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Five times or less. 30 seconds at most.

[Mary]

Okay, back to the huddle. And Sierra says, you know, Amanda's perfect. She was unavailable. That's the perfect person for Wes, which you've been saying for a very long time, you know, so we all. We take a break. Mia's like, let's get massages tomorrow. KJ's like, we lost one of the boys, but we're still the boys. And then Dara walks out. A vision in white. Her and KJ kiss. She's like, this is the strongest relationship, and this will probably be kind of my last relationship because they're gonna be together forever. What happened at the DSW event?

[Courtney]

My God. I just hope that this is all a miscommunication and they're just not mentioning it. I mean, he releases the music video the next she's the star of the music video. Like, it's just there's so many things and I think maybe they're just taking a quick break and they're like, we'll just like reconvene during the summer. Like, let's just figure this out. I don't want them to be done. Oh my God, I'm crying 30 seconds ago. Let's take a break and then let's go into the read. Acast powers the world's best podcasts. Here's a show that we recommend.

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[Mary]

Andy, you know, is like, dara, what is your take? And she's like, I don't imagine Wes waking up and this is the relationship he's gonna stand by. This is where he's gonna man up. And at the end of the day, he just wants people to think he

[Courtney]

is a Good guy, but the way

[Mary]

he treats women is expendable. And Wesley literally agrees. And Amanda's still gone. And then I'm thinking, how long was her break? Because people start to get really upset. Sierra is like, what? She's just gonna miss the entire reunion. I'd love to know how long it actually was. I'm gonna say an hour.

[Courtney]

Andy, I said on his radio show today, apparently it was at least 20 minutes.

[Mary]

Okay. Okay.

[Courtney]

I think it was like, 30, 45 minutes, to be honest.

[Mary]

They kind of move on. They talk about Ben and Sabrina Bell and going to Australia. And to be honest, Courtney, I didn't believe this story about the hug.

[Courtney]

I just.

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[Courtney]

You guys, this is so mean. I didn't care.

[Mary]

I think he's a liar. You're telling me you haven't hugged your dad since 19, and by the end of the trip, because of Sabrina Bell, you hugged again? I just. I don't know. I don't believe it. It.

[Courtney]

I mean, that's fine to not believe it. I'm more invested in Sabrina Bale than I am in Ben.

[Mary]

The reason why I didn't believe this hug story was because they talked about how the family's super religious, and then they said that him and Sabrina Bell shared a bed. So I was like, what is it?

[Courtney]

Okay. Yeah, I just. Again, I just. I'm not invested in Ben. I'm just invested in Sabrina Bell too.

[Mary]

Right. Because then Amanda walks back out.

[Courtney]

Okay. By the way, there's this moment when before Amanda walks out and KJ says something funny, and I'm sorry, I don't remember what he says, but the whole cast is laughing at KJ's comment, like, haha. And then Wet blanket Batula takes a stand, and she walks back in, and the whole tone of the room shifts to like, oh, God, she's back. Wes is even out there. But old Wet blanket Petuglia, it's like, okay, she's back. Now 45 minutes later, you were convinced that something was going on back there.

[Mary]

I just feel like she went back there and probably took a little bit of medication to get her through this. And that is my alleged. Like, this is just my thoughts and opinions. Like, we don't have any proof.

[Courtney]

Vicki's last season that she was on a reunion, and she was like, zonk. She was completely, like, not responsive towards anyone. Was just, like, kind of there.

[Mary]

Yep, yep.

[Courtney]

And that's kind of how she went. But at this point, she's just decided to be silent. And I know I said before, like, she's like, should just take it on the chin sort of thing. But it was like, almost like a defiant, like, child, the way that she was sitting there just looking straight ahead.

[Mary]

Well, and I consider myself an empath.

[Courtney]

Oh, God. Okay, Kristen Doty.

[Mary]

I feel like she had to take it so she wouldn't cry the entire time because she couldn't sit on that stage and literally be in tears the entire time.

[Courtney]

I mean, obviously mental health is, like, really important in taking care of yourself. But I also just think at the same time is like, you made these choices. You knew what was going to happen when you guys decided not to take it to the grave of you. As you've said multiple times then, now you have to take it on the chin. And unfortunately for you, the reunion's not gonna go your way. I don't know what you guys were thinking was gonna happen when you came into the reunion. I also find it crazy that they did not align answers on things like, they weren't even there with the last week. What did you guys prepare as you said, that party line the night before was going crazy with Kyle and Sierra leading the pack of, like, what they were going to align with and say with west and Amanda. Did you guys even discuss what was going to be happening today? Did you have any sort of way of how you were going to handle the situation? Did you think of how to answer questions that you knew were going to be asked? What happened?

[Mary]

Nothing. And you can tell.

[Courtney]

Truly. Truly. And so anyways, Amanda comes back and sits down and they're like, hey, Dara, we loved what you said. Could you repeat that to Amanda's face because she definitely needs to hear it.

[Mary]

And Dara did a better job the

[Courtney]

second time she delivered because the thing of the way that Dara also came into was like, yes, of course she's biased because she dated Wes, but she's not emotionally linked to him anymore. And so when she's explaining it, it's not even with, like, a level of hate or, like, mad annoyance. She's saying it just, like, matter of factly.

[Mary]

The biggest pattern in his life, it's it is the west show. His biggest concern is being liked and well received. And he doesn't treat the women he is with with the same respect. And he wants someone that will mold, fold, and fit into his life without excuse or complaint. And it's up to you to decide what is worth sacrificing for that kind of person. And Andy and Sierra look at each other and are like, oh, damn.

[Courtney]

The way that she delivered it the second time was like more cutting. And again, it wasn't emotion. It wasn't. It was just literally like, this is who he is as a person. And if that's what you want to mold your life to, then fine. If that's the hill you're willing to die on, then great. But at the end of the day, like, this man is not changing who he is. And the same things that you didn't like about Kyle, these are the same thing west is, but worse. Because truthfully, while west is like a Kyle 2.0 on steroids, as Kyle says, doesn't have the same drive that Kyle has within, like the entrepreneurial way. Right. Like, I think that Wes, his biggest, like, skill set is being well liked, is being a people pleaser in a way, is making everyone love him, that he's like, so likable and that's what has gotten his foot in the door for ways for him to get opportunities. Whereas I think Kyle, who has a great personality as well actually, though, will put in the behind the scenes work. Yeah.

[Mary]

I mean, he had bird dog before Lover Boy. He's had a lot of, I think, different business ventures. We've just know the most about Lover Boy.

[Courtney]

He has this entrepreneurial spirit where I think a lot of things that have happened to us have happened to him. Where Kyle has gone and made it happen completely.

[Mary]

I completely agree with you. Yeah.

[Courtney]

Yeah. And so it's like now you're basically going from the Kyle show, who it was all about Kyle. And the same reason that you don't like him now, Amanda, is the same reason you fell in love with him. Right. Which will be the same thing with we.

[Mary]

Ouch. Ouch.

[Courtney]

But truthfully, a lot of times relationships do end that way. The things that you loved about this person are the things that you end up resenting them for, which is why you break up. Kyle's the life of the party. You want to be around him because he has such a strong energy. Same with Wes. He's the life of the party. Everyone loves him and you get to be attached to that person and then you think they'll change and like, no, that's who they are. Again, just a matter of factly, the way that, like, Dara said it and. And even Andy's saying, like, it would be ironic if you went from the Kyle show to the west show. And I just keep thinking, God, Amanda, you can't be the main character in your own life. And like, that's absolutely what every person should be, the main character in their own Life.

[Mary]

I know. I don't think she wants to be. She is someone that wants to be in the background.

[Courtney]

But that's so sad. And that's what sad day for her is. Like, oh, my God. Want more for your life. Don't be passive. Be doing these things sometimes. This is so crazy to say too. Sometimes you have to watch these shows and, like, reflect on your own life. You see an Amanda who is kind of truthfully too, has, like, been beaten down in this relationship, has, like, nothing for her, but then is still on these shows and all of this and finally finds her voice and then finds the wrong voice and then like, up everything for her and you're like, okay, take note.

[Mary]

Well, and I think we watch these shows because we want to connect and we want to see people our own age and their struggles and what they're going through. Like, hence me loving watching Kristen Doty because I just had a baby too, you know? So the reason why you watch reality TV is for connection and community.

[Courtney]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. One, like, things to do and definitely things not to do. Right. You know, they have to break it up a little bit because Amanda can only take so much. They're like, hey, Jesse, Jesse, let's talk about your tour. Let's talk about you. Let's talk about you and Sierra. And Jesse's, like, really emotional again.

[Mary]

He's tired.

[Courtney]

He's tired.

[Mary]

Courtney and I will say they talk about the Sierra situation, and in the extended version, Sierra admits, you know what, watching back those scenes and us in the bed and the boob pillow, I can understand why there was mixed messaging. And I think they should have left that in for the regular one.

[Courtney]

The extended scenes, to me, it's not like they're different scenes. They're putting on. They're giving more detail to something that we're watching. So like, even going back to that Mia conversation where she asked, what are those convos with West? I'm like, I literally watched the regular version being like, why is nobody asking what the conversations are? So then when you see that extended scene, you're like, why didn't you keep that in? Because I feel like people get upset. Like, why aren't we asking more detail? Why aren't we following up? It's like, there are some follow up, which makes me believe too is cut for time. A lot of things we still have questions on. There was follow up. Up.

[Mary]

Yeah, agreed.

[Courtney]

Agreed.

[Mary]

And the way that Carl and Kyle talked about Jesse's concert and tour and performance, it couldn't have been sweeter. Don't make fun of his music. We are solo women. Go see him in concert. It was a blast, and he deserves this moment. And he does a great job on his tour, and he took it very seriously. And don't make fun of it.

[Courtney]

Don't make fun of him. Okay, but no, but really, I mean, Kyle said it too. He's like, you know, sometimes it's really hurtful when you find this passion and then you want to pursue it and people start trolling you about it or they don't think you're good. And it cuts par for the course with the show. But, like, when it comes to Kyle's DJing, you know, did he do it out of Spider? Because he's been bringing these speakers to the Hamptons for 10 years and finally said, fine, if you're gonna do that, I'm gonna do this. And even with Jesse, Jesse was like, I literally have a degree in music music. And, like, I've been, like, trained as a singer. And, you know, and the cast really is so supportive of each other. And there was another extended scene where they talked about, like, these friendships that they have, right? And it's like. And they. And Carl and KJ talk about on his podcast is like, this show has brought us together, and there's so much more than the show. And even in a different extended scene that Amanda talks about the relationships that they have in the house and that they do cross boundaries. And usually it's innocent, but she talks about how. How it is weird. Like, they do cross these lines. They are touchy feely, and sometimes it probably is inappropriate. And, like, coming from her is rich because. Lol. But we've been saying this, right?

[Mary]

You have said this. You have said that a lot. Definitely.

[Courtney]

And so it's just like their. Their relationships are so tight. Completely.

[Mary]

Completely. Speaking of tight relationships.

[Courtney]

Oh.

[Mary]

Highlight of the episode for me was Carl and Lindsay. You know, he. Andy's asking him how soft doing, and he's like, you know what? Brick and mortar's hard. It's had its ups and downs. It's finally profitable this last month. And he's like, I was so shocked and happy and delighted to see that Lindsay came and you guys, the bear is in the proper spot. It's no longer in the office. Kate went. She was on the pod and told us it is in that spot again. It's in the OG spot. But when Lindsay says, carl, I am so happy to finally see you in your skin, walking around with confidence and being the person you were always supposed to be. And the person you always wanted to be. It is such a beautiful thing to see. I was like, tears. Tears. Happy ones, obviously.

[Courtney]

Duh. It was such a sweet moment. And you know what's really interesting about Lindsay? Lindsay is such a PR maven that she plays her social media and her reaction to Summer House, House in the City, week by week of what's airing. Because, like, her and Danielle are fine now. Right. But then she'll, like, go into, like, the archives and be like, I'm gonna post things, and, you know, waiting for that Oliveira branch. But when she talks about Carl, like, she was on that one. Watch what Happens Live. I think with Bailey was still kind of, like, dogging him a little bit. And I was like, I wonder if she's dogging him now, knowing what we know, because we haven't seen that conversation of them in the igloo yet.

[Mary]

Oh, she's so smart.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Because you have to play to the audience and what's happening, what the audience knows.

[Courtney]

Yeah. But I'm like, she's so good at PR that she plays week by week of, like, what's going on in the show, but she's also so smart because she knows that the audience was gonna start to turn. Not turn on her, but be like, okay, now enough is enough. Because Carl's nothing but supportive. Right. And so it's like when you kind of, like, beat down the door and you're not getting it back, it's not a fair fight in that way. And Carl really just wants this friendship back with Lindsay. And I think after that, you know, conversation they had in the past summer, it's like, he's like, we can move forward now. And. And I think Lindsay, they are in a better place. And I think she knows she needs to be supportive. So I think her doing her. His podcast is a smart move on her part. I think, image wise, she's done a really good job, and I think that she has developed another friendship with him. She probably still has some boundaries and barriers with him. But, guys, even though she said on the reunion, she's not following Carl as of today. I checked, and she is following Carl.

[Mary]

I love that you researched that. And I really think they are going to do something together soon. I mean, they already had the Uber Eats ad, which Amanda would never have done that during their breakup, and it hurt her a little bit.

[Courtney]

First off, they didn't do it in the Kyle and Amanda breakup. That was not what this was from. And at the end of the day, too. What are you talking about, Amanda? Because Monetizing off of your friend's heartbreak or being the person who caused your friend's heartbreak. Which one point?

[Mary]

Lindsay, I've been here for 10 years. I can do whatever I want. And Amanda's like, I've been here just as long.

[Courtney]

Lindsay's like, yeah, you weren't actually a cast member. Season one. I saw this meme that was like, Amanda started the show as a side chick and she's ending the show as a side chick. So it's so tough. And I also think too is like, they monetize. I'm sure that they asked Sierra and Kyle too, if they were okay with it. I feel like Sierra is like, at this point is like. Like, anyone can make money off of this because I don't give a anymore.

[Mary]

Kyle was like, at first I heard it and it was cringe. And when I saw it, I thought it was epic. I mean, Carl was leaving voicemails. He was such a mess. He was in tears every time.

[Courtney]

I'm like, kyle has these, like one liners, I swear, where he, like exposes somebody but then, like, manages to turn it around. He's like, I mean, voicemails and tears. And I was like, actually, when Carl did call Kyle when they were in that in the city confessional last week, Week, you could tell Carl was in tears. He was upset.

[Mary]

Yeah. I mean, there's so many onliners. The pathy for me, it's Andy saying he knows her.

[Courtney]

I'm like, they were married for me is embarrassing. That's like the top line for me because it is just so cutting and it's literally just taking her words and putting it back at her completely.

[Mary]

Then they replay Kyle's mental breakdown and honestly, it made me laugh this time when he's like china doll. I was giggling watching this and Kyle's not. He's crying on the couch. He's like, it's really hard to watch back. You know, I hope people understand me better now. And Sierra is like, I completely misunderstood you. And, you know, I'm really sorry about last summer. And Amanda gives this look, like an eye roll, but she can't quite roll her eyes, so she just gives a look. And Amanda's like, well, you know Kyle, sometimes he sees red and I'm used to this.

[Courtney]

The thing is, though, is it's like people want to be so mad at Amanda that they're not using nuance in certain aspects. This was Kyle's breaking point. Yes. But at the same time, too, it's like Kyle hasn't been innocent in the End of their relationship. And he has said really up things. And even though he says too, when he', like, well, you know, when we're not on camera and there's fights, like, you're just as bad. And it's like that Kyle. I will say that is a difference, though, because we're not privy to those things. So we're seeing what happens, you know, on camera. Amanda was a victim of Kyle's rages.

[Mary]

Do think that Kyle is getting away with a lot y. And that is a bit upsetting, I will say. And I think he's should have owned

[Courtney]

it a little bit more.

[Mary]

He's saying things like, you know, hurt people.

[Courtney]

Hurt people.

[Mary]

But I think he should have fell on the sword a bit more.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I mean, he does say too, like, I. You know, because Sierra's like, I'm so sorry. And he's like, and by the way, she's not saying what I did was right. And, like, he does take that. But at the same time, it's like, if this affair didn't have. I don't even want whatever we're calling it, if this hookup did not happen, if this relationship did not happen, we would all be team Amanda on this. We would all be seeing. We would. We would understand that, yeah, maybe Kyle was at a breaking point. But realistically, if the west stuff had never happened, so many more people would be team Amanda. We all were when we saw the statement.

[Mary]

No, he doesn't really say he's sorry, though. He says he's embarrassed and he spiraled. He doesn't really apologize.

[Courtney]

Yeah, true. I wish Wes was better with his words in some places because I'm like, I don't think what Wes did was wrong when he moved that chair. It was because I think, personally, my own opinion was that he was worried that Kyle might get violent. Not that we've seen him get violent, but we've seen him throw a can. We've seen him smash his hands on the table. We've seen some sort of, like, rage that I think he literally moved his chair just to be like, in case something happens. Little did he know that he's sitting next to rotc Lindsay, don't worry about it. But it's like, we're so mad at west, who, quote, unquote, hasn't been a relationship. I'm like, but hasn't he since February 2025? But you don't have to be in a relationship to understand that you're seeing something that's not right. Right.

[Mary]

I think you're right. He's just like, I wanted Kyle to know I'm gonna step in if. If you stand up. Basically, you know, he was afraid that he was. Had a little bit too much rage and he just thought he was being

[Courtney]

a. Yeah, you made it sound like I'm an abusive husband. It's like, well, okay, so you did call her a dumb.

[Mary]

No, that's the thing. That's the problem. Kyle was so wrong, and he should be. Be very apologetic. I do think he's defending his behavior a bit. Then they go into the whole Wolf of Wall street confessional, and once again, Wes just apologizes. I took it too far. It's my fault. And then it's really hard to be in a fight with him because he takes it and he apologizes, but the apology isn't true.

[Courtney]

It's an. It doesn't feel genuine in a way. But I think at this point, too, he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. If he doesn't say sorry, then people are like, well, oh, so he stands by that. But I'm like, I would love to know when that confessional was filmed. When did he give that confessional of that sort of confidence? Were they already doing something? I think yes. And I mean, I remember that too, when he said that, because I was like, oh, my God, he's, like, doing these cheating allegations. And then, like. Like, I felt like Andy was kind of holding Kyle's feet to the fire a little bit, but, like, wasn't going to push too much on it because he's also like, Kyle's my star of two shows here, so I need to, like. Well, and I ask you this question too. Do you think that there's another cast that Andy cares about? The majority entirety of this cast? I would say he really cares about Summer House's, like, well, being, like, has, like, an active interest in their lives, even Wes before this, but, like, they have that St. Louis connection, like, you know, the. The Midwest connection and all that.

[Mary]

Andy loves the Southern charm boys so

[Courtney]

much, that trio, but not the women. Exactly. So when I say that, I'm saying I'm authority cast. Yeah.

[Mary]

I mean, also, this is the biggest show on Bravo. Even before this scandal, it was the biggest show on Bravo. So I think he probably treats them a bit differently.

[Courtney]

True, true. Because I think he used to, like, hate Kyle a lot. Now he, like, likes him more. But I. Yeah, there. It just feels like he's very invested this season on. In this cast that I'm like, I don't know who Else he's been disinvested with.

[Mary]

Even them just living in the same place. They have something in common.

[Courtney]

True. Oh, good point. Good point, too. And so then they start bringing up to Amanda, too. Like, you know, I don't even understand because she brings up, you were filming. They bring up, watch what crappens. You fell asleep at a fan's house. She. They start talking about infidelity night one of filming. Kyle talks about, like, you know, she made that DJ comment despite me, and she set the tone for the season. She's like, I set the tone for the season. You set the tone when you're doing all these other things. Both of them are right in a way, and both of them are wrong because when they don't film, they don't talk about their issues, and then all of a sudden, they're on camera and they have to talk about everything. Seek therapy.

[Mary]

Kyle says this is their therapy and that's how they communicate because they've bottled stuff up for six months. When Andy calls Kyle a good time Charlie, that was so funny.

[Courtney]

I thought he was calling West a two a good time Charlie.

[Mary]

I think they're both, you know, Kyle 2.0. They're both good time Charlie's. Sierra's like, amanda, you hated going out. I thought you hated going out. She's like, no, I hated going out with Kyle. And the amount of comments we got about that, it was. It was basically people thinking. She admitted to not liking Kyle the entire relationship.

[Courtney]

She says it twice to him. I said, I hated going out with him. I was like, oh, my God, she hates this man. The same. Like I said, the reason she fell in love with him was the reason she fell out of love with him was because he didn't change his ways. She hated that. And look, I can also see too, as if they're in a bad place. Amanda goes out with him, he gets trapped drunk, and he starts saying things to her. Maybe I don't want to go out with him anymore because I'm not having fun.

[Mary]

Right. Well, okay. Also, this is either like September, maybe October for in the city. So by the time they. They put out this statement, which is early January the 19th, two days after

[Courtney]

west and Sierra discovers Amanda at West's apartment. Apartment, right.

[Mary]

But she contacted Bravo PR on January 3, knowing she wanted to put out this statement.

[Courtney]

So this is wild, by the way,

[Mary]

she had already lived without him for three months. I mean, I'm sorry. Not spending New Year's Eve with your significant other is very telling.

[Courtney]

Was she alone?

[Mary]

Oh, My God, Courtney, I did not.

[Courtney]

Just asking that. Well, she says she spent it alone. I'm wondering, did she spend it alone? I just feel like that was part of the story. I just don't see her spending it alone. But I don't know, because you see scenes of in the city, and she's just sitting there, like, melted into the couch with a dog. So, like, I could see that.

[Mary]

But my wheels are turning.

[Courtney]

Where was West? New Year's Eve? I'm sure it's easily findable. I'm just not doing it this second. I think the whole thing for me is just crazy when we look at it, because west really is Kyle 2.0 in a way, and it makes sense why Amanda would be attracted to that. But at the same time, it's like, it didn't work the first time. What do you think it's gonna work the second time? And as you said, too, with this competitive side, like, they're gonna make it work because they have to.

[Mary]

They have to, have to. Then I had this, like, crazy thought. I was like, oh, God, what if she gets pregnant or something? I just think they're not thinking clearly.

[Courtney]

So, I mean, I. I have no idea. But she wants to go back to Jersey. She said, even though I am single, and I'm like, are you. I. What is the relationship with. What do you mean you're single? Because truthfully, on a technicality, you're still married. And then two, you're saying you're single, but you've put out a statement, and you're only sleeping with Wes. So where it's just whatever it is. And then it's like. Like, he is Kyle.

[Mary]

He is Kyle. I know, I know.

[Courtney]

He's like, he parties more than I do. He's the most fraudulent, phony guy I've ever met. So shut the up. And I'm like, okay, so he's talking about Wes, but he's telling Amanda to shut the up. And then.

[Mary]

Then we get into the whole cheating thing, and I'm sorry. Kyle definitely stepped out of the marriage, and I think multiple times, I think some kisses were had. I don't know if he ever slept with anyone. I don't think he had any type of affair or anything or. Or like a continuous person. But I don't think he knows what he's doing all the time when he's out. And there might have been some heavy petting and some smooches around the town.

[Courtney]

Otphj, it's back in, we said. But, like. So, Kyle, what did you Mean, though, when you said you're inappropriate because you told some girl you wanted to make out with her, that to you is being inappropriate. You did something. And then there's, like, this whole thing about Dumois who used to protect Amanda, and, like, when they get tips, she wouldn't post them because she was friendly with Amanda. It kind of is wild that there isn't, like, video footage of one of these things. And not that I want to see it, but, like, where is.

[Mary]

Seems like he goes to a lot of after parties. Could be in a hallway. It could be a little. You know, I just. I don't think Kyle was ever a good husband to Amanda. And we do need to recognize that.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I don't. I don't think that they were good partners to each other. I.

[Mary]

And that is another point. Yeah.

[Courtney]

Like, I don't think he was a good husband. I don't think she was a good wife. I think they took on these roles, and part of it, it was like. I mean, it makes me think of, like, Adrian Maloof and Paul. Like, they were the Bickersons until they weren't, because they got it. It just. It went from, like, silly banter to, like, I hate you right now. These guys have hated each other since they started dating, but that's besides the point. Like, it's a sunken cost fallacy. Like, that's literally why they got mar. They had this show. It was either, like, break up and one of us is off the show or get married and we continue this, like, hamster wheel.

[Mary]

You know what would be crazy? If this scandal didn't happen. And they were at the reunion and they're talking about. So we know about you and Sally. We know about you and Megan King Edmonds. I. I just. I don't want Amanda to take the full brunt. And I know people don't like this and people get mad at me, but we need to recognize that I don't like the girl. Okay?

[Courtney]

It's our DG sister. I think the problem comes down to it, too, is, like, I mean, you're talking about these cheating things, and it's like, yeah, Kyle did do some of these things. Whether he remembers them or not, things were happened. No, I. I'm saying that factually, whether he remembers it or not. When. Okay, When Lindsay is trying to. Okay. When Lindsay's trying to get more information, though, on the indiscretions were. She goes, so what were you talking about? Like, making out Ear stuff. Lindsay, please.

[Mary]

And then Lindsay's like, I mean, I saw you on your tippies with Mke. On the tippies.

[Courtney]

High heels on my tippies. And he's like, they were baggy pants. I'm like, kyle, we all saw the pic.

[Mary]

Jesse Solomon is giggling on that couch.

[Courtney]

The tippies. I mean, you used her shoulders for leverage, Kyle. So good. It's so good. I mean, and then I thought it was crazy, too. Okay? We got the statement that was put out. Then, like, a week or two later, we have the premiere of Summer House House. Kyle kisses Sally the night before, and I'm like, sally, stop it. Stop it.

[Mary]

You know I love her. She can. She can do no wrong.

[Courtney]

So anyways, then Sierra's like, and I texted you, Amanda, and I told you that like a good friend. And I just keep thinking, oh, my God. And at this point, she was already doing her shit with West.

[Mary]

I agree with you. And then we need to come cut for lunch. And Amanda is in that back room not eating. I mean, but how could you eat? She's like, this is so frustrating. They are making me feel stupid for trusting you. That's so annoying. And Wes is just like, yeah, like, should I hop in more? And you know what? Sierra's goal is to get under your skin. So you just need to breathe, apologize, and deliver it very simply. Okay? And just keep your composure. And Amanda's like, am I getting fired up? Am I being triggered? And he's like, well, you sound a little snippy. And Amanda's like, yeah, I can do better. And this was sad. And then this. The juxtaposition between Miha and Wes. And Wes, like, it's almost over. Like, we're almost done. It's gonna get easier, okay?

[Courtney]

He thinks he's on the downhill. We're like, babe, there's one more uphill. And it happens. Hasn't happened yet. But I wanted to go back to this line, though, because Amanda's saying, like, they are making me feel stupid for trusting you, as if she hasn't been eyewitness to the way that he treated Sierra. What's crazy about this is the fact is, when Amanda and West are done, and I do think that they will be done unless they really just bite the bullet and do this to spite all of us, you know, and stay together. But it's like the fallout of Amanda and West for Amanda specifically, will be much harder than the fallout and breakup of her and Kyle. Like, Amanda and West ending will ruin her.

[Mary]

I'm gonna pretend that they're gonna stay together for a bit.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Six months max. But go ahead.

[Mary]

Where can they go for another reality TV show or what is their plan

[Courtney]

for a job in the city? She doesn't have to go back to the Summer House. I mean, do I think that they should have a week or two where they have to squirmish? Sure, but she is on another show. Where is Katie DeLuca?

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[Mary]

She is not going to be on in the City.

[Courtney]

Why do you say that, though? Kyle could go back to the Summer House.

[Mary]

I think people wouldn't watch it if she was on it.

[Courtney]

There's a hundred characters on in the City.

[Mary]

I don't think people would want to watch Amanda Batula on In the City without dating west or Kyle.

[Courtney]

But. Okay, but I'm saying, like, Wes would go on in the City with her.

[Mary]

Oh, okay.

[Courtney]

Like, that would be. They'd transfer over. I don't know. I, I, I think you made a good point earlier in part one where you talked about that you thought this could have gotten west fired. But at the same time, I'm like, I think people are still obsessed with this. I think people want answers. That's why I'm like, when you said, would you watch a, watch what happens live with them? Of course everybody would, like, that would be good.

[Mary]

That'd be perfect.

[Courtney]

It's called morbid curiosity. It's like, yeah, you are wanting to know. It's like when you drive by a car crash, like, do you slow down? Because you're like, what the hell happened? Morbid curiosity. You want to know what's going on. You might not be like, highly invested, but you're like, I need detail still. And I'm highly invested.

[Mary]

Are we? Are we? More than ever.

[Courtney]

I know. Sierra calls Meha and she's like, giving her an update. Obviously, production okayed this because I'm like, you could never call someone and be like, let me give you the scoop of what's happened. So, I mean, also, by the way, Mayha looks gorgeous in her FaceTime. So she's gotten her makeup and hair done for this, as she should. No, I totally agree, but I was like, God, he like, really pulls some gorgeous girlies. It's that personality.

[Mary]

Do you think they are going to call her on the stage?

[Courtney]

No.

[Mary]

So they're just gonna report back the notes. I just got off the phone with Mayha. I was on FaceTime with her, and these are the facts.

[Courtney]

Well, she says, because you can't be here, we'll be your voice. So I just don't think at the end of the day, it's like, do want to know the details of what she said. But we also, like, don't know her enough to, like, bring her out to have her own segment, if that makes sense. Like, I'm okay with the telephone from Kyle and Sierra.

[Mary]

I'm just worried Amanda's going to come back from lunch and her eyes are going to be closed the entire time.

[Courtney]

Well, maybe she built in some nap time of her hour break.

[Mary]

I wish this was three more parts.

[Courtney]

I mean, truly, like, we have one more part. There's still so much more to talk. I'm like, you guys could release every part of it. I don't care if there's ls. I don't care if we're saying, like, repeat because we didn't catch that. I don't care if we have to hear production countdown. Three, two, one. I can't wait until they tell. Like, if they need to tell. Andy, hey, you're looking at camera two. Could you look into camera three? I want unedited, extended, uncensored, every single detail from start to finish. Finish. I know.

[Mary]

I'm not sick of it at all. I didn't.

[Courtney]

Mary, we watched it three times. I'm about to go watch it a fourth right now for the watch party.

[Mary]

It's been out for less than 24 hours.

[Courtney]

I gotta do my. I gotta redo my ass bun and get ready.

[Mary]

Okay, on that note, I'll let you go. This was the best. A blast. And next week you will be back in the states dates. You'll come back on Wednesday and we'll talk summer house in the city and then finish out the week together. But I still have some great guests the rest of the week, so keep listening.

[Courtney]

Thank you again for working so hard. Let's all give Mary a round of applause. Wherever we are right now. Just like they're all applauding Jesse's tour in the episode. Thank you. I will be back next week and keep killing it. And hopefully you guys all enjoyed this. I love you guys, guys so much.

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