TJG: (Part 2) Summer House S10 Reunion Part 3!

Summary

Two Judgey Girls: (Part 2) Summer House S10 Reunion Part 3!

Hosts: Courtney and Lara Marie Shainhals
Date: June 11, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Courtney and Lara Marie deliver a detailed breakdown of the Summer House Season 10 Reunion Part 3, with their signature blend of sharp wit, pop culture savvy, and no-holds-barred opinions. The discussion focuses on unresolved timelines, accountability avoidance, cast dynamics, relationships, and viewer trust issues—all while highlighting the most jaw-dropping moments and memorable lines from the reunion.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mia’s Commanding Presence at the Reunion (03:25–05:47)

• The hosts laud Mia for her “calm and soothing voice” and ability to articulate facts that left Amanda embarrassed.
  • Courtney: “She could have hosted the reunion.” (03:25)
• Mia’s meticulous review of the timeline and confrontation with Amanda and Wes, especially about inappropriate physical conduct and on-camera behavior.
  • Lara: “It is weird for your friend to kiss you when you’re married. That is strange.” (03:39)

2. Timelines, Lies, and the Audience’s Role (05:47–09:54)

• Debate over whether cast members, especially Amanda and Wes, are manipulating the truth about when their relationship began.
• Discussion of viewers as “detectives,” sometimes seeing more than the housemates themselves.
  • Courtney: “Do we as audience members help them see things? I’d assume yes.” (04:59)
• Lara bluntly: “They have no credibility because they’ve lied about when they first hooked up. So now everyone’s going to overanalyze everything they say because they are proven liars.” (06:22)

3. Should Cast Members Be Forced to Watch the Show? (06:40–08:39)

• Amanda admits she doesn’t watch the episodes, citing emotional difficulty.
  • Courtney: “Is that part of the job? ...Do I think that they should watch it? Yeah.” (07:04)
• Hosts reference other Bravo stars who dodge their own storylines by not watching.

4. Wes’s Career, Drama, and Online Presence (08:39–11:00)

• Wes is frustrated he can't post B-roll due to the scandal, while Kyle can, highlighting how the drama has personally affected his social media/content opportunities.

5. Rewriting Friendships: Kyle and Wes (09:54–11:31)

• The complexity of Kyle and Wes’s relationship dissected:
  • Lara notes: “He did consider him a very, very close friend. ...And they have a special bond because they have done this together.” (10:19)
  • Courtney: “I do think that Kyle’s kind of rewriting history a little bit for the betrayal…” (11:19)

6. Speculation about Wes’s Future on the Show (13:11–13:15, 19:44–21:49)

• Lara’s strong stance: “I don’t think Wes is going to be invited back to the summer house.” (13:11)
• Lara: “He’s proved his true colors and he’s not trustworthy and it would infuriate the fans to have him back. So I really do think he lost his job.” (19:53)
• They debate whether the ratings bump from the scandal will override fan outrage.

7. Fractured Relationships: Amanda, Wes, and Sierra (26:50–27:18, 43:59–46:54)

• Lindsay calls out Amanda’s jealousy; Sierra’s heartbreak and anger at Amanda for betrayal.
  • Sierra: “You didn’t think in the slightest about your friend. He wants revenge because he resents me so much...” (44:13)
  • Courtney: “She didn’t consider Sierra a friend. ...Amanda hates Sierra. She thinks she has to say what she said.” (41:37)
• Emotional fallout as Sierra recalls being supported by Lindsay during breakdowns.

8. The Elusive Timeline and Evidence (28:57–33:37, 39:05–40:13)

• Continuous frustration over Wes and Amanda’s vague answers about when the cheating began.
  • Courtney: “You need to pick a date...the problem is, is that they can’t even give the real date because what real date is...is going to throw off the whole timeline.” (39:05)
• The “Super Bowl” date—a sticking point and recurring punchline, with Amanda and Wes dodging specifics.

9. Accountability and Hollow Apologies (43:33–43:59, 38:07)

• Explores the difference between “I’m sorry” and “I apologize.”
  • Lara: “They’re not feeling the emotion, actually feeling sorrow, and they feel bad about the situation.” (38:10)
  • Noting Amanda’s lack of authentic apology and emotional display.

10. Cynicism about Amanda & Wes’ Relationship (48:47–50:13, 50:13–51:20)

• Debated whether Amanda and Wes are truly “in love” or performing a relationship for damage control.
  • Lara: “I bet you a thousand percent he has said I love you to her.” (48:43)
  • Forecasts a breakup within the next year, likely spurred by cheating or public fallout.

11. Notable Reactions and “Manipulative” On-Camera Moments (52:34–54:26)

• The Kyle/Amanda hug: Courtney labels it “manipulative,” seeing Amanda as victorious in the moment, while Lara is shocked she hugged her ex in front of her new boyfriend.
• The dissonance between on-stage tears and the actual feelings behind them.

12. Conclusion and Looking Forward (55:03–56:49)

• The scandal’s indirect benefits to Kyle (public sympathy, business saved).
• Final thoughts on catharsis, Sierra gaining closure, and the “Thin Mint” toast as a humorous, iconic send-off.
  • Courtney: “Welcome to your hell, Wes. You chose this.” (56:22)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Mia’s Reunion Performance:
  • Courtney (03:25): “She could have hosted the reunion.”
• On Cast Accountability:
  • Courtney (07:04): “I do think they should have to watch it to familiarize themselves with what’s being edited.”
  • Lara (06:22): “They have no credibility because they’ve lied about when they first hooked up.”
• On Wes’s Future:
  • Lara (19:53): “He’s not trustworthy and it would infuriate the fans to have him back.”
• On Amanda’s Apology:
  • Lara (38:10): “There is a difference because…it’s about feeling sorrow.”
• On Amanda’s Emotional Distance:
  • Courtney (55:08): “You are coming out victorious because your friend and your ex wife fucked.”
• On Catharsis and Closure:
  • Lara (55:35): “Kyle, you are breaking slightly above here because…you are coming out victorious…You saved lover boy.”
  • Courtney (56:22): “Welcome to your hell, Wes. You chose this. You feel special because you saw fun Amanda. This is your life.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Mia’s Command of Reunion: 03:25–05:47
• Timelines, Lies, and Overanalysis: 05:47–09:54
• Should Cast Members Rewatch?: 06:40–08:39
• Rewriting History & Friendships: 09:54–11:31
• Wes Backlash & Future on Bravo: 19:44–21:49
• Amanda/Sierra Fallout: 26:50–27:18, 43:59–46:54
• Evasive Timeline Answers: 28:57–33:37, 39:05–40:13
• Amanda’s “Apology”: 38:07, 43:33–43:59
• Breakup Bets, Relationship Speculation: 48:47–50:13
• Hug and Manipulation Analysis: 52:34–54:26
• Final Send-offs, Thin Mint Toasts: 55:03–56:49

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Final Thoughts

Courtney and Lara's sharp, conversational analysis offers fans everything they want from a reunion recap: unsparing accountability, emotional insight, and plenty of side-eye. They expertly highlight how the show’s real drama stemmed not just from on-camera love triangles, but from gaslighting, friend betrayal, and the importance of truth and authenticity in reality TV. The pair sign off eager to return for other Bravo drama, teasing future discussions on The Valley, Southern Hospitality Reunion, and In The City.

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Transcript

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[Courtney]

I just love the way that she is so calm and the sound of her voice is very soothing and she just has a way with her words that it is embarrassing Amanda.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

It really, really is. And when she was going over the facts because Andy was like, you know, on watch what happens live. You said you thought maybe it happened over the summer. And she was like, I just rewatched it. Kyle and Carl are fighting. They got into this huge fight. And then you walk into Wes arms and you have this giant hug. And reminding you guys those are the big brother cameras. This is not by the camera crew. I think that's an important note as well. And you have this hug in this kiss. It is weird for your friend to kiss you when you're married. That is strange.

[Courtney]

I've said this time and time again. And even though Amanda confirms it, which then I'm like, amanda, I don't need you to co sign these things. But the house is inappropriate with each other. There are people in this house that are too touchy feely and that it's okay to do because it's innocent and we're all friends. But I was wondering because then the second point she brings up west is about to rebuke it and she was like, I'm not done. And he's like, okay, okay. She's like. And then the second thing, Amanda goes after Kyle outside. And then you go after her and you grab her and your hand is very close to her breast. And he would not grab me like that. And you would not grab Lindsay like that. That is weird. And Lindsay's like, yes. And he has not done that. Facts. Thanks, Lindsay. Okay, when did that episode air and when did this record did Mia spot that? When she was doing her homework and staying up till probably 3am like Kyle was because he works okay. Or were they seeing online chatter about those things? Because I think a lot of times if I'm them. I'm rewatching these episodes and I have such a different lens because I lived it already. And now I'm seeing, you know, the hearsay of what has happened. But I'm also seeing it from like, almost like an out of body experience when I watch it back as opposed to what I remember happening. And so I just wonder too, is like, do we as audience members help them see things? I'd assume yes.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Yeah, I'm not sure about that. But I can only hope that Mia's our voices and she's the third judgy girl.

[Courtney]

Oh, of course. And I love too that she was like, you know, here we thought Amanda was the victim in a bad marriage. And you just see Amanda, I just think the whole time that her tongue, if it hasn't been licking her lips or whatever, is sitting on the roof of her mouth. I just picture her tongue sticking to the roof of her mouth, like, being so annoyed. And she's like, you guys, you want to see things in a different lens. And she is right in that way too, because I do think you want to see things how you would think it now. And like, a lot of times when we were watching this season back, we're like, okay, how would we have viewed it if we didn't know what we knew now?

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Well, the problem is they should have come into the reunion and told us the real timeline so we already nobody. They have no credibility because they've lied about when they first hooked up. So now everyone's going to overanalyze everything they say because they are proven liars.

[Courtney]

Good point.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

And then I, I have a question for you. Okay, so Amanda admits to not watching back these episodes.

[Courtney]

It was too hard for her.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

She says that she will watch them after the reunion airs, which you will never watch this back. But do you think Bravo should make them watch these? Like, is that part of the job we've had?

[Courtney]

People famously never watch the shows. Jax Taylor, for instance, Craig Conover, for instance. They are works in progress. And those works in progress, they don't want to watch it. So do I think that they should watch it? Yeah, I do think that they should watch it because I think that they should see what's being edited and what's actually being in the episodes. But I think Amanda's excuse for being like, I can't watch it because I can pinpoint exactly what the audience is going to say about me basically saying, I don't want to watch it because I don't want to be accountable for my Actions is how I heard her say that. I do think that they should have to watch it to familiarize themselves with what's being edited. But at the same time, they also did live all of this.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I know, but I do think it's important to know how it's being edited and for them to watch back. Because, yeah, you can clearly see him touching her breast, that very long hug, the kiss. I think they need to see all of that. You know, they might have thought, oh,

[Courtney]

we got away with that.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

They don't even know. I wonder if Wes watched it. They didn't talk about that.

[Courtney]

I think he did. I think Wes wants to see how he's being portrayed because, like, you know, one of the things that he's really upset about is the fact, fact that he hasn't been able to share B roll of the summer since this scandal has happened. Every week he would post a carousel of the behind the scenes. And since the scandals happened, he cannot. And it drives him crazy because he wants to. And then now, you know, Kyle's posting it, though, so it's like, must drive him even nuts. He can't be Kyle.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Can't be Kyle.

[Courtney]

I, when not watching it back, I find it annoying because you're not taking accountability and you're victimizing yourself in that way. But I also just think too, is like, if you were being truthful and you were answering and you could see that, I think it would only help her in those situations to know, as you said, what's being edited, what's actually being shown. Because then I can craft my narrative around it that way.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Yeah, well, so they keep denying that they. They did not have any crushes over the summer. And then Lindsay's like, well, you had an emotional connection. And Wesley finally cops to something and says, probably that is fair to say.

[Courtney]

Lindsay, can I ask you a question? Did you think it was interesting, though, that Lindsay confirmed she's like, we don't think you hooked up in the summer. Did you think that that was an interesting statement for her to say? Because, I mean, I'm a truther. That they did not either. But there's a lot of April 2025, February 2025 Truthers out there.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

This is the problem because we don't have an accurate timeline. I don't think it was over the summer. But then I, like, look at that hug in the hallway and that kiss, and it was intense.

[Courtney]

But I also think too, is that he toed that line so much because he could be that knight in shining armor. He could save the day. But she's married, so he's the good guy. And he's overly touchy with everyone, even though Carl has said, you do not touch a married woman that way. Kyle, this was one of his best friends. Do you believe that Kyle and West were best friends?

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

That was an interesting comment that Kyle made because he first says, like, I considered you one of the best things for the show because you're one of my best friends. And I do think west revived this show in so many ways. So. And I think this show is so important to Kyle and his life that he gave West a lot of credit for that. And so he did consider him a very, very close friend. And also think about their circle, like, how many people understand the show really and what it's like to relive your life. And they have a special bond because they have done this together.

[Courtney]

Well. And they live in a house together as compared to the other reality shows, which, to be fair, Vanderpump was also incestuous. And they all lived in the same apartment complex, but. And Southern hospitality. I'm still convinced they're all in that dorm apartment. But there is something about the closeness of this cast living in a sharehouse.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

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[Courtney]

Do I think they were best, best friends? No. I do think that Kyle's kind of rewriting history a little bit for the betrayal, but I do think that they were close. I mean, Wes took him home even though he takes everyone home.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

January 3, he took Miha home.

[Courtney]

What do his parents think of egg? Stop bringing people home.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I would love to talk to West's mom.

[Courtney]

What would you ask?

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I wonder if there are standing behind him. I wonder if they're very concerned with

[Courtney]

the Betulas and the Wilsons. I obviously don't know them. I have to assume the number one thing is concern right now is like, what's going on? Especially because Wes has brought all these different people back to their house and everything. And if it's been a lot of on ones that they're kind of like, what. What are you doing here? Like, are you playing with fire? But I have to think that they're just like, what's going on? Like, this is not who we think we raised.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Lots of.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Lots of concern. I. I have so many thoughts racing through my head.

[Courtney]

I'm like, please say that, Mary.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Are they going to move in together? Is this going to be like a fast and furious situation?

[Courtney]

Well, she has a year lease, so,

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

yeah, that's going to be up in the fall.

[Courtney]

That's true. October, she's like west,

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

oh my God,

[Courtney]

that would be you guys. If they had to move in together, I'd die. Because the brand deals, they're drying up.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

They don't have the funds coming in the same way.

[Courtney]

What if west is not invited back to the summer house? Like that's probably got to be one of the main sources of income, which then gives you these other deals. I mean, what if Buffal Wild Wings goes another direction?

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I don't think west is going to be invited back to the summer house.

[Courtney]

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[Courtney]

Okay, I want you to tell me why. Because I feel like each episode you've been saying this, but especially after this episode I feel like you felt this way.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I think Bravo is very upset with him. They call him out for beta blockers. He's giving them nothing. He potentially could have ruined the spin off in the city for them. And at the end of the day the audience I don't think wants to watch him back. I think he's proved his true colors and he's not trustworthy and it would infuriate the fans to have him back. So I really do think he lost his job. What do you think?

[Courtney]

See, it's tough because I see what you're saying. I think next week is actually going to be pretty telling based on the conversation with Kyle and West. I think when it comes to west is Bravo likes to make money and this scandal come on this show has never been more highly rated than these reunions. Like, these are the top episodes of Summer House ever. Okay?

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

And they're giving us the bonus, you

[Courtney]

know, so do you get rid of this main talking point because of that? You know? And Kyle has already said, I won't stop filming with somebody. I'm not going to affect someone else's job. I really do think that they've learned from Scandival. Kyle was in the live threads chat last night, and that was one of the questions that I had asked, but he didn't answer. The cast has handled this so differently than, like, how the VPR cast handled the reunions, I think. And just, like, the general outcome, I feel like Lala and James came on so hard and they really didn't let Tom and Raquel get a word in edgewise. But I think that they're speaking to west and Amanda in a different manner, that they've taken some lessons from Scandal and how that was handled. So I think it would be a different effect than what the following season of VPR was when they tried. Tried to force these people to film. When Ariana was like, absolutely not. Katie was like, absolutely not. And then Lala was like, I've gotta forgive. And then she knows, like, oh, my God, I have to forgive even though my husband's cheated on me and I'm not gonna talk about it.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Yeah. I do think Kyle is breadcrumbing us and he is gonna go back to the summer house. He says in this People magazine article, if they're knocking, I will come. I think he definitely is going to be on Summer House.

[Courtney]

I want to see single Kyle. We got a glimpse a little bit in season one, but we've never seen single. Well, we've seen some single Kyle, but he was in a relationship that classic line of Amanda, I haven't, like, flirted with anybody in three months. Kyle, we've been together for three years.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Or what about Stassi as Steve Jobs in the hot tub?

[Courtney]

Oh, God, the classic crossover episode.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Wait, what do you think about him and Sally over the weekend?

[Courtney]

Okay, so I think it's funny because between, like, Austin and Shep and Craig, there's such a competition factor. And Craig didn't want to hook up with Sally because she's already hooked up with his two friends. But then it's a really interesting dynamic when you have a crossover. But then it's like, west has already hooked up with Sally and now Kyle's gonna hook up with Sally. And then I think, get it, Sally.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I Am obsessed with Sally. I've been saying it for years now, and I feel like Sally is doing this because she likes Austin so much, so she's trying to make Austin jealous.

[Courtney]

Oh, you think this is a ploy to get at Austin? I do that fireball commercial. Have you seen that one?

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Yes. And Austin was basically embarrassed before he had to post the video. And he does a story that is saying. So I did this funny thing I'm about to post about it because it's all about having a dad bod.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

And wears, like, a fanny pack. That's a belly.

[Courtney]

Yeah. But that's interesting that you think she's doing that, because I think that she would hitch her wagon to Kyle easily.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I hope she makes it up to the summer house this summer.

[Courtney]

I. Oh, no, because I want Kyle to be single. I mean, he's making out with fans at every DJ event that's going on over the weekends. Like, I don't want Sally to be there, and then for them to potentially be something.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

No, Kyle will remain single, but he's gonna invite her up for the weekend just to have fun.

[Courtney]

Oh, you want her just to come for a weekend? I thought you meant on the cast.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Oh, no, no, no. They would not do that. They would not do that. But I think to come up for a weekend and have a blast. Absolutely.

[Courtney]

Wait, can we also talk about. And I'm sure you did talk about this while I was gone, but the picture of Kyle, Craig and Austin together, like, Kyle and Craig have had such beef, and now the beef is gone.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I talked about how I wonder if they fought, who gets to post the photo.

[Courtney]

That's funny. They have different angles. You look the best in this one. I look the best in this one. That's funny. Okay. Sally can come for a weekend. Yeah. I just think there's something about me wanting to see them squirm for a weekend in the summer house, yet I

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

just don't see it actually happening the more and more I think about it. Okay. And I think Bravo probably wants to cut their ties with West. That's just my opinion.

[Courtney]

Or do you think that they put west on in the city so that they live out that drama? No, not at all. You think he's done, done, done.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I think he's done. Okay, maybe I'm totally wrong.

[Courtney]

You have a 5050 shot. But I do find it interesting because I think, too, though, that the cast, like the. And Jesse talks about this on Watch what happens live. Do you think that Jesse and Wes can be friends again or whatever? Rachel kind of implies that. Yeah, I think Jesse will fold.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

And I just think guys are so different in the way that they interact with each other that if Wes is, like, convincing enough, and he's like, I'm sorry, and grovels a little bit. But the thing is, is that you have to wonder, is he lying to me? And the answer is probably yes. Like, how do you trust somebody like this who's constantly lying to your face? And that's why I think when west says, oh, I love her, is because he's trying to soften the blow of why he lied. I know I lied, but I love her.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

That's exactly the angle. But I don't think Jesse is ever going to forgive west because it hits

[Courtney]

too close to home.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Yes. I mean, just the emotion at the reunion was unreal by him, so he's deeply, deeply cut. And I just think he's looking at west so differently that he's never going to believe a lot of the things that he says. And I think he probably saw him fool a lot of women, and now he's kind of replaying it all the times, and I think he probably thought it was cool at the time, and now he's replaying it in his head so differently and is realizing this is disgusting, actually.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

We can't Forget the Part 2 When Lindsay calls out Amanda for yelling at west for making out with that random girl, and she's like, you were jealous in that moment. And I think that was true. She was. That's why she was so upset. And then I keep on thinking, so what was he gonna say to Mija in that moment? Was he just gonna say it's fake for the show?

[Courtney]

I had to do it.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

It was my storyline.

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[Courtney]

Like, I feel like he'd be like, oh, I'll introduce you the girl. We talked about it beforehand. We were gonna do this. We're gonna have a storyline. But also, it was like that same episode, remember? Amanda walks away and is like, look at my ass when I walk away. I'm surprised we didn't ask about that in the reunion, too. I think what's crazy to me, too, with, like, Miha, I'm like, how did she not know? It felt like the running joke is that Wes is the town bicycle. Everyone gets a ride. And is he just saying, this is a Persona? This is not who she's saying. I'm up there every weekend during the summer building his furniture. What is he telling her that's so convincing? Because he's obviously a very good liar for her to stick around for 14 months.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

But why would you question someone that when he goes to work and is filming, is letting you stay in their home, Wouldn't you trust that person? She's just thinking he's going to work. She thinks the show is fake.

[Courtney]

But how about when the rumors of him hooking up with Mia or the rumors of him hooking up with Sally, he's saying, it's just that, oh, no, Mia came to town and I took her to dinner because it was a Bravo thing. That's what I'm trying to say is, like, how did he talk his way out of all of these situations that let her think we are exclusive still, he's that good of a liar. And that's why I'm like, amanda, like, come on, look in front of you. You have to see this. And you're thinking you're different and you're just miha. Two point.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I know you see what you want to see when you're in it. Love is blinding.

[Courtney]

They have a whole reality show about it. Okay, but let's go to Kyle's timeline question, because he's like, I gotta ask a timeline question. Brianna at the super bowl, which was February 8th, again, we were on the freaking boat with them. You know, she says, you guys are hooking up, but I really want to know, was there any physical activity in 2025? And I like what he said because he's like, the emotional part is subjective. I'm asking, like, there's liter proof of you guys hooking up. And Amanda, like, when he brings up super bowl, she goes, oh, not this thing. You hear mutter that under her breath.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

And they're like, no, absolutely not. There was no hooking up in 2025. We waited till midnight on New Year's Eve.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

But this also, you know, the super bowl once again, was February 8th, so.

[Courtney]

Right.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I wish they went back and said, okay, you didn't do it in 2025, but why at Super bowl on February 8th is Briana telling a bunch of people?

[Courtney]

Because they did it at midnight, 2026.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I know, but they should have. He should have followed up. He should have followed up. Did anything happen in January?

[Courtney]

And maybe he did.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

And then Mia, she asks too, like, hey, so, like, did you come forward because of the speculation or were you just going to keep lying and, like, please be honest with us. And this is what you were talking about? Amanda basically says, like, well, I was trying to figure out the. The MIHA situation and I didn't handle it right. Like, sorry, for lying to you, Sierra. But I really needed to call his bluff of if he was going to be with her, be with me.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Then it's like, Kyle and Sierra have the receipts. And Andy asks, did Miha know you were dating other women? And he's just like, so I wasn't thinking the clearest. I told her maybe in November we aren't exclusive. And Sierra's like, you sent her Valentine's Day flowers. You were saying, I love you, and you can't look at me right now because you are lying. You flew her out to Boseman on January 3rd for a Montana game.

[Courtney]

Okay, so then I was like, is Wes telling on himself? Because he's thinking about the timeline with Amanda when he said, oh, I told her we weren't exclusive in November. Is that because nothing had happened with them yet? Amanda and him? But, like, they had started. Maybe there was something that was gonna happen. I was wondering why he said November. Because a lot of these things are. He's trying to save face with whatever woman he's currently with. Is like, how I look at these things. He's saying November because maybe there was another woman that was in November. Or, like, maybe it was Amanda. Whatever. It was like, no, no, no. We were exclusive until then. But you also made out with Sierra and that other girl.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I know.

[Courtney]

Like, you telling on yourself. Yeah, no, he's a pathi. Then even when west is like, well, like, Boseman was January 3rd. Like, before all of this. I'm like, west, stop lying. I want to shake them all.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

And then Andy's like, so did Mija think she was your girlfriend? And then he's like, like, she thought we were in an exclusive relationship. And everyone's like, well, yeah, that's the definition of a girlfriend. And Amanda's face, she is shocked, and she cannot hide it. And Jesse's crying.

[Courtney]

She thought you were an exclusive relationship because you told her what you just thought. She was just like, yeah, no, I'm just assuming. And then what I love, too, is they do these flash photos of Mija and Wes together. And I'm giggling because you know that Miha gave those to Bravo. I know. Those are from her personal collection where she is lying in the bed with him taking these private photos. And she's like, sure, here, yeah, put them up. Also, I'll do a one on one with Sierra.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

That was such a pleasant surprise because we kept on saying, what podcast was she gonna be on? Is she ever gonna come forward? And the fact that she, like, went straight to the network is just perfect

[Courtney]

Sierra's line where she goes all of this to go to West Village bars. And Amanda has egg on her face too because she's lear that this is happening. And then Andy asks this question which throws off the whole timeline of them too. Have you been monogamous with Amanda? He's well, not since the feelings, but since the statement, yes. Okay, so hold on. Were you guys only kissing before or were you fucking and other people like what's the timeline on that? Because before you told us it was just a kiss and we slept together after the statement.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Okay. If Andy asks her at the reunion if she wants to come forward about the the real timeline, would you even believe them?

[Courtney]

Let's take a break and I have a question to ask your question. Okay,

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[Courtney]

Okay. At the in the city reunion, if Andy asks for a real timeline, would I believe it? It. Okay, my question back to you is when they inevitably break up, who's going to tell the truth first?

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Amanda.

[Courtney]

You think so with the. With the aid of Kyle. Yeah.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I mean there would be nothing to protect anymore. So what. What would be the point?

[Courtney]

Yeah, I guess it also depends on what their jobs are at that point. Because I'm like, I could. Could see Amanda doing a whole like, I was so stupid. I can't believe this. But also like, could Wes be like, I told her no from the beginning, like, I'm wondering who cries first and tells us the real story.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

So who do you think?

[Courtney]

I think it will be Amanda. But I think because Kyle hates Wes so much, I think Kyle will be like, Amanda, you have to do a tell all. Even though he's so over this. Because like in that People magazine article from today, he talks about how she still has stuff at his house.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Yes.

[Courtney]

And he's like, don't you have a whole boyfriend? I'm not gonna be there. I think you can get the rest of your stuff out of this house. And I was thinking this in the city too. It's like, why is he being like, let me help you pack your stuff up. She can hire movers. You charged her117,000 in back rent. Sounds like she's got money.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Why.

[Courtney]

Why is it that you need to pack her up and move her?

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I can't wait to talk about in the city with you. Okay. We have to continue to list apologize yet. Actually, a Bravo historian pointed out that he never actually says the word sorry. He keeps on saying I apologize.

[Courtney]

But what's the difference? Because apologize is the verb, right. Of saying I'm sorry.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I think there is a difference because

[Courtney]

that was something they used to get on Lindsay about, too. Is that Lindsay wouldn't say I'm sorry. She'd say I apologize. Does that wait more for you when they say I'm sorry versus I apologize?

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Yes, because it's like you are getting an apology for me, but they're not feeling the emotion. Actually feeling sorrow, and they feel bad about the situation. And he's just like, you know, I know this, like, up a lot of friendships, and I wish I would have

[Courtney]

spoken before when he was like, the greatest regret I'll have. Kyle's not being able to speak to you. Before this got. Got all out of control, you had plenty of time. Wes and even Andy calls him out on that. You were in control.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

When Kyle follows up with, I was texting you about my sex life in February and you were on a date with Amanda. And then I'm like, how are. What is the timeline again?

[Courtney]

Well, that's why Wes says, well, we weren't anything at that point. I'm like, you guys, literally, you need to pick a date. I'm sorry. Because the date that you gave us is. The problem is, is that they can't even give the real date because what real date is. Is going to throw off the whole timeline.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

It makes me think of, like, scandal when they're like, oh, it was for seven months. I'm like, that is such a lie to me. That one goes way farther back. Like the fact that Tom paid half of that proposal for James and Raquel never sat right with me that I was. Something was going on.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Like, then I would agree with you, especially now.

[Courtney]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so it's like they can't even pick the right date because it throws everything off if they. Sierra says, January 17, something was weird and I'm suspicious. And they say, okay, well, it was like January. Let's say it was New Year's Eve. They're like, and then you took Miha to Bozeman.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

You know, so, like, there's something that happens that they can't give a real date because there's evidence of some other girl or some other thing that's going to make Amanda look even dumber.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

And they've posted the evidence. I mean, when Sierra is talking about, like, your 20 person carousel and this is how Much you care and your songs. And Amanda's just like, I pick trending music.

[Courtney]

Amanda, come on, we are women here, okay? Nobody just picks a random song. So don't bullshit us and tell us. I have friends who send invisible ink too. She says to meaning that the photo was from her and West's conversation. Don't piss on our leg and tell us it's raining.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

And then Andy really tries to set up Amanda. He is trying to help her. He's like, so, you know, at the end of the day, the people are very upset because of the friend betrayal. And Sierra hyped you up this entire summer. Like, is there anything else you need to get off your chest? He's laying her up and then she just says, I did a really shitty thing. And Sierra, you are still doing a shitty thing. And then Andy is like, well, what are you, like, feeling? You're thinking he's literally once again setting her up. Like, this is the moment. This is where you come in remorseful, say you're sorry, have emotions. And she goes, so in regard to

[Courtney]

what, like literal insanity? When he's like, talk to Sierra. I was actually speechless at that point because I'm like, are you kidding me? Because again, at the end of the day, she didn't consider Sierra a friend. She doesn't think anything she's done is wrong. And I think at this point too, Amanda hates Sierra. She thinks she has to say which what she said, oh, I did a fucked up thing. I did a shitty thing because that's what people are telling me I did. But at the end of the day, she's like, no, I didn't. You weren't with Wes that I know of because Wes didn't tell me.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Good point, good point.

[Courtney]

And Wes has been saying too, Sierra sucks. Basically Amanda responding to that in regard to. And she's like, this is just like a confusing and crazy time. Like, I have a lot of feelings and I develop feelings for someone I wasn't supposed to. And I'm like, oh, okay, you can have at your wedding. You and Wes can dance to can't help falling in love love. Because you know what? This happened to you. Everything happens to Amanda. She's never the person that does the action. It's always happening to her. But she's like, I lost sleep, I couldn't eat. I up. I'm deeply sorry for betraying your trust. It kills me I caused you this pain. Like, I don't believe you lost any sleep. I don't think that you couldn't eat. I Think that we've been seeing the stress of her marriage and everything has taken a physical toll on her. But I'm like, you weren't losing sleep because you messed up. You were. Were losing sleep because you were worried about what was going to come out, how it was going to happen. Your text messages that were shown on screen were like, this doesn't feel right to me. I'm feeling sad. Sorry. You're feeling sad. You up? No.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

To be honest, when I wrote out these words, I found them the right words to say, but it was the lack of emotion when she was saying and it.

[Courtney]

That it didn't work. If you were remorseful, you're asking in regards to what Andy's literally said. The whole thing that people are upset about is a friend. Betrayal.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Yes.

[Courtney]

What should I say to Sierra? I don't know. Sorry. But the thing is, Amanda's not going to change her current actions. She's going to stay with Wes. She just feels dumb because it's being recorded and she's figuring out a few things she didn't know about.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

And then, like, Sierra's reaction, she's like. And then I have to call Kyle and be like, what the. Lindsay is literally picking me up off the bathroom floor so I could go to my job. I couldn't fathom sitting here today that you're my ex. He propositioned you, and you actually did it. You didn't think in the slightest about your friend. He wants revenge because he resents me so much. He wants to embarrass me. He wants to get his last word in, and this is his last word. And he's doing this to spite me. So have your fun.

[Courtney]

And it's like after we've watched almost three hours of this, it's like, west really does hate Sierra. He hates her. And it's a lot of it is the idea of Sierra, too, because he's always been attached to Sierra since he came onto this show. And his goal has always been to be Kyle 2.0. And. And Amanda's always been attached to Kyle and he was the Amanda and the Sierra and West. So he is so mad that his reputation was based on his own actions, by the way, but that he's hated Sierra because it has his career in summer house. He has always been somewhat defined by her completely.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I mean, he lost his job, in my opinion.

[Courtney]

And Amanda has nothing to say. And I just wish too, because it's like, fine, if you don't want to say anything. Whatever these beta blockers are, I'm putting Quotes around that because it's something else. But it's like, at the end of the day, I wish she would have given something more or I wish she just would have said, you know what, Sierra, I up. Sure. Like, just be like, in your convictions. I up. And I chose a guy over our friendship. I think this is going to go all the way. I like, stand in your convictions at that point. Because if you're not going to be sorry for doing a shitty thing, but you're continuing to do the shitty thing, just stand in your convictions. Instead of saying, well, I have a lot to think about, just say, you know what? You guys, you guys aren't in our private, private conversations. You don't know what's happening. Not giving any sort of like. Well, I mean, just based on the things he said, like, you have to say it with authority completely.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

That was a big miss as well. And she is. She's trying to play the victim. She goes, you don't deserve a friend like me.

[Courtney]

It's actually more that Amanda doesn't deserve a friend like Sierra.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

So, so true. When Andy's like asking about, like, how are you feeling? Do you regret helping Amanda so much this summer? And she's like, no, because I came from an independent woman and I was building her up. She talks about her mom working two or three jobs and she's like, I'm just like, not used to someone being like, meek and submitting to a man. And I wanted to build her up and give her confidence to walk away and I wanted her to have independence and drive. And I'm like, sierra is just the best friend that you could have.

[Courtney]

Well, and what I loved about Sierra's answer here too is that she didn't say she had regrets because if she gave them ammunition to use against her, like, Ciara never was your friend. She regrets ever helping you in that. A friend wouldn't do that. She didn't give them a reason to hate her because the thing that they want to be able to do is hate her. Because then it makes what they've done not so bad because look what Sierra did. Like, you can justify it. Andy asking Sierra too, what was the. The toughest part of this summer for you? She was like watching that last episode. Not that Amanda's gonna watch it, but showing those highlights of Sierra helping Amanda is like, you really did throw away a good friend. Sorry. Men will come and go like that. Sex in the city line always rings true. Like, maybe your girlfriends are your soul mates, but Amanda will never understand that because her Life is so male centered.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

And then Andy asks, are you guys in love? And they're like, we're not using the word love. We're not using the word love. And then Carl's like, do you still want to be with this guy? Like, you found out today he's been with, like, four other women. This is crazy. And Wes is just like, I'm so committed, and I just want to get back to our early days. And Andy's like, you mean six weeks

[Courtney]

ago, the early days? He's like, I'm committed to putting the effort in. Why can't you just claim and say, hey, we are exclusively dated? I mean, obviously they say they're exclusive at some point, but why are we pulling this out of you stand tall in your convictions.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I guarantee, at this point, Wes has probably already said I love you to her.

[Courtney]

You think so? Yes, because he was so strong in saying we haven't said it. I mean, I know they're lying on everything, so you have to pick and choose.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I bet you a thousand percent he has said I love you to her.

[Courtney]

Do you think she was waiting for him to say it out loud?

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

He's such the guy that just says it. Like wasted out one night and then just keeps saying it.

[Courtney]

I'm sorry. I meant at the reunion. Specifically, though, do you think you're saying at the reunion at this point in time, they have already said it to each other. I'm saying, do you think that Amanda was waiting for him to say yes, I love her at the reunion. Like, I feel like Amanda was waiting for some grand gesture because right now know he's gone and run after her right after everyone bullied him into doing it. But she doesn't necessarily know that. Do you think she was waiting for him to say, this is my girlfriend?

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Yes. I think they probably had this plan to go in together and just say, we're gonna say we're exclusive. We're not gonna admit we're saying I love you.

[Courtney]

But I think, why not, though? But why wouldn't they? Because I. It's not gonna sit well, but to me, I think it would. Would I. I think some people would be upset, but I think if you're coming in, you need to tell us how serious you guys are, because at this point, you got to get married, you got to get pregnant, whatever it is. Tell us that you're at that point. I feel like there's all these loose ends with west, whether he's quote unquote monogamous with Amanda. I feel like there's probably some women that are still being talked to. Whether it's just as friends or like maybe tiny. More like he used to hook up with them and that they're just like good friends who hang out.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Do you think they are going to break up in 2026?

[Courtney]

Yes.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

How do you think the breakup will go? Is it because of cheating? Stepping out of the relationship? It ran its course.

[Courtney]

I think that they will publicly stay together for like six months. I think that's a good amount of time. I think it depends on their jobs because I think that determines a lot of West's life. If he's still on the show and he has to put on the brave boyfriend, then he'll stick around. May he'll stick around until the next season airs. So maybe longer than six months. But privately I think he's going to do something stupid. He's going to cheat or something. And it just depends if Amanda wants to stick with it because she's fucked everything up so badly in her life and she will move on. Like when Kyle did these things, like, she's been through it before. Speaking of, I wanted to talk about this little break that they take. Wes sitting on that couch with his feet not touching the floor. Like, he's just a widow kid who got yelled at by his mommy and now he's in timeout and has to think about what he's done.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

And he's like, west, how you feeling? He's just like, horrible. I love the like when you get the off camera, the break and Kyle's just like, like, what was the plan here? You know, because this truly affected everyone. And I'm asked making this for everyone. And the way that Lindsay comes back and is like, Annie, there is no clarity after today. Like, I have learned zero. I'm more confused. And then the way that she's like, you this up so much for everyone. The way that this reunion was overshadowed. You are messing with people's livelihoods. You have potentially ruined my show called in the city. She is leaving it.

[Courtney]

Well, she chugged some ros in that quick little break. I know. Coming back out with that wine glass. She knew this was her last summer house reunion. She didn't give a At this point. We are at 7:27. We have a heart out. At 7:30. Okay. We have a heart out. Oh, I know. You skipped ahead.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

I know.

[Courtney]

Rewind it. Take it back. We're back in the break. Let's do it.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

When Kyle and Amanda hug and you hear their hearts racing, like so fast and he's Crying and she's like, you

[Courtney]

think her heart was racing fast. Nothing is racing over there. Nothing in Amanda's body is racing. That is all Kyle's heartbeat. This hug was so manipulative to me.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Oh, tell me more.

[Courtney]

When he goes and walks off stage and she comes up to give him a hug, it felt to me like there was a little smirk on her face, like she had won. When he was like, I just don't know why we have to talk about like our 10 year relationship. And like, it wasn't all, all bad. She's like, I know, I'm sorry. Like, I felt like she was like, I've moved on. You are the bad guy in the relationship. It didn't work out. And like hugs him in a way that she's like, maybe you'll find love one day.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Oh, wow, this is an interesting take. The whole time I just was like, this is wild that she is hugging her soon to be ex husband in front of her new lover. That's all I was thinking about.

[Courtney]

There's this like pull out shot where Andy is standing at his seat. West is like the widdle boy in his chair and he's looking over at his friends, Kyle and Amanda, who are, who are hugging each other. Also, someone had pointed out on threads that Rachel Lindsay, on her podcast Morally Corrupt, had mentioned how Wes doesn't speak in complete sentences. And like he'll start a thought and then it kind of goes into like a different thought and so it becomes these like, run in sentences. And then almost like he's like, like burping too, in the middle of these words. And I can't stop seeing it now. And since they commented, now that's all I can see. So. Damn you, Rachel Lindsay.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

He can't form a complete thought. He can say words. Horrible. Truly, I'm horrible.

[Courtney]

Truly. But this hug, I just, I don't know, there was something about it where I'm like, he's crying into her shoulder and there's nothing coming from her. Nothing. It's just the ass pull bun. So Andy asked Kyle too. He's like, you know, so, like, what's next? Like, what do we do? And Kyle is like, Kyle is in his feels. When we broke up, we wanted it to be amicable. We didn't want. We saw what happened with our friends and, you know, we didn't want the audience to pick sides. But like, I honestly don't know where we go from here.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Kyle, you didn't want the big sides because no one would have been on your side. If this scandal didn't happen, literally.

[Courtney]

Kyle, you are breaking slightly above here because we did not even spend that much time on all this that you did this season. You are coming out victorious because your friend and your ex wife fucked. You should be thankful you're going to get out of this divorce easily. You get to be single and everyone's rooting for you. And you saved lover boy.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

You saved your business because of the scandal. It's truly, truly wild. He came out on top. I like how they ended the reunion. Andy was like, you did an amazing thing. Sierra, some good came out of this. $160,000 to Girl Scouts and Sierra says this does feel very cathartic and she's happy to move on with her life. And that to me was kind of a send off. Yeah.

[Courtney]

Yes, I felt that way too. And I just. But I did love that we cheers with Finman. And I love though that the editors had to keep in the part about everyone snacking their thin mints and she kind of like looks at west and is like, don't eat it. Like we have to cheers with it. And I said, welcome to your hell, West. You chose this. You chose this. You feel special because you saw fun, Amanda. This is your life.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Do you think they hooked up that night when they went home in the

[Courtney]

Lola not Lola blanket in their matching sweatpants? Probably. But I also feel like they ordered doordash and then they hooked up.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Okay. Like Chinese food and then tucked up.

[Courtney]

I sure there was something greasy.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

This was so much fun. We are back in action. We will be back on Friday to talk the Valley and Southern hospitality reunion. Maybe talk a little in the city and get back to normal. Welcome back to the United States, Courtney. We missed you.

[Courtney]

I missed you. It's good to be here after so long.

[Lara Marie Shainhals]

Okay, see you later.

[Courtney]

Bye.

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