TJG: RHOA S17 E13!

Summary

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Two Judgey Girls: RHOA S17 E13!

Podcast: Two Judgey Girls

Date: June 30, 2026

Co-hosts: Courtney (LA), Mary (Bay Area)
Episode Theme:
Recap and judge-heavy commentary on Real Housewives of Atlanta, Season 17 Episode 13, “Kilts, Chaos, and Reads.” Courtney and Mary reunite in LA and dissect a drama-fueled Housewives girls’ trip to Scotland, focusing on wild accusations, shifting alliances, reunion seating predictions, and the uniquely chaotic personalities of ATL’s favorite women.

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Main Episode Topics

1. Portia’s Glow Up—And a Hilarious Ziwe Appearance

• Portia’s Interview on Ziwe:
  • Both hosts are obsessed with Portia’s appearance (“fun chemistry!” [05:18])
  • Portia handles awkward, stone-faced questions with charm and humor.
  • Notable moment: Portia hilariously fumbles the First Amendment but answers confidently:
    • “It’s better than the second because it’s the first.” – Courtney recapping Portia ([06:21])
    • Courtney admits she misjudged Portia as a “sidekick;” now sees star qualities ([06:21])
  • Portia is in a great place in her life—her humor and lightness shine through.
  • “I think I have to take back about what I said about Portia last season…Portia is a star.” – Courtney ([06:21])
  • Portia’s new relationship with "Sway" is confirmed; she’s out and proud:
    • “She is gay. Gay now. Okay. To announce that in the month of Pride.” – Courtney ([07:05])

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2. Fashion Disasters and Flights to Scotland (Airport Looks Galore!)

• The cast heads to Scotland in predictably over-the-top outfits.
  • “Some of them come airport ready, and some of them come from something else.” – Courtney ([07:55])
• Fur coats, accessories, massive luggage—formalwear for airport travel at its most absurd.
• Kiki for JetBlue Mint: the women fly first class; production pays for basic flights, upgrades are on them ([09:06])
• “Kelly wants to find the worst outfits and then make them worse with the accessories.” – Courtney ([08:37])
• Boobs get a dedicated (and comedic) aside:
  • “The boobs on this show are out of control and I find myself staring at them all episode long. They’re beautiful boobs.” – Courtney ([09:49])

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3. Alliance Gossip: The New 'Traders' Cast & Reunion Seating Predictions

• Worries about the new “Traders” cast being mostly unknowns ([11:35])
• Discussion: Is it less fun to watch when you can’t Google the cast?
• K. Michelle’s first-chair spot at the reunion surprises both:
  • “That shows me she’s definitely going to get a second season. Andy in the middle, K. Michelle is next.” – Mary ([13:54])
• Speculation that Shamia might be on her way out, possibly due to rumored legal drama (cease and desist against Angela).
  • “If that’s the case, I see them saying bye bye to Shamia.” – Courtney ([15:16])
• Reunion seating seen as a barometer for cast future—discussion of producers' logic in chair order determines who may be “in or out” next season ([14:02]-[16:31])

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4. Angela vs. Shamia: The Cheating Bombshell

• Main Event: Angela accuses Shamia of sleeping with Ashley's husband, George, a public figure in Atlanta.
  • The accusation falls flat—nobody believes her, but no one quite defends Shamia either ([19:00]-[24:00]).
  • “Even the music… was so not serious. I don't think anyone believed her.” – Mary ([19:00])
• Angela tries to manufacture drama by twisting phone conversations, omitting she started the rumor ([23:01]-[24:34]).
  • “She's calling the woman saying, I didn't say that. You said that.” – Mary ([23:41])
• The hosts debate Angela’s motives:
  • Angela seems to want “bone collector” status, digging up dirt to spark conflict.
  • “I actually believe Shamia, that Angela has been asking around about Shamia because Angela wants to be a bone collector.” – Courtney ([20:35])
• The group is shocked; Shamia remains calm, which the hosts see as proof she has nothing to hide.
  • “Shamia just laughed this off… I felt like nobody even wanted to defend it because they were so shocked.” – Courtney ([23:01])
• Running theme: no real support for Shamia, highlighting how quickly alliances shift.

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5. Scotland Trip Dynamics: Props, Pranks, and Unbelievable Plaid

• Shamia brings Lowry’s seasoning “in a Ziploc baggie” and “a heating pad” as comedic props ([33:08])
  • “Shamia loves a prop.” – Courtney ([33:15])
• Fashion fails continue:
  • Kelly’s latex and tartan outfit described as one of the worst in Housewives history.
    • “This blue... Kelly is wearing that ugly ass latex outfit. Did you notice the fingerprints on the latex this week?” – Courtney ([33:51])
• Dinner at the “Bonnie Badger” brings more confusion (is a badger in the lion family?) and a beaver store memory tangent ([34:13]-[35:34])
• The dinner kicks off a round of forced group drama, focusing on old issues and thin grievances ([36:16]-[38:45]).

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6. Girl-on-Girl Revelations & Intimate Confessions

• Cynthia initiates a “Who’s hooked up with a girl?” roundtable ([39:41]-[42:49])
  • Kelly and Drew both discuss bringing another woman into their marriages.
  • Cynthia admits to kissing Portia.
  • Pinky reveals she dated a woman for three years.
  • “Everyone knows she's been in the lady song many, many times.” – Phaedra ([41:22])
  • Shamia downplays her own experiences, but Portia’s knowing side-eye and silence are flagged as significant.
• Mary and Courtney agree that Portia is letting Shamia “implode on her own” rather than going on the attack.
  • “Portia's also realizing Shamia’s doing it all on her own. She doesn’t need to do anything.” – Courtney ([43:05])

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7. Forgiveness, Sisterhood, and a Teary Ending

• After dinner, the cast heads back to the house; Kelly has a breakdown and opens up about her financial and legal troubles ([46:51]-[48:56]).
• Portia gives an emotional speech, highlighting the need for unity and support among the women:
  • “At the end of the day, we only have each other. We are in this together. We are sisters, and we gotta help each other out.” – Portia (paraphrased by Mary) ([47:35])
• Several cast members tear up; the hosts are touched by the rare moment of real vulnerability.
• Portia ends the scene with comic relief:
  • “We can all go now and masturbate.” – Portia ([49:36])
  • Courtney: “That’s how every church sermon should end.” ([49:36])

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8. Looking Ahead: Fallout and Alliances

• Both hosts wonder how Shamia will react when she learns Kelly and Portia have reconciled.
  • “100%, because I think Shamia is having a really tough time this season… and if everyone is making up but she still has beef… where does that leave her?” – Courtney ([50:06])
• Mary predicts a major dynamic shift, foreshadowing tension as alliances reset ([50:40]).

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• Portia on the First Amendment:
  “It is better than the second because it is the first.” – Courtney, recapping Portia ([06:21])

• Courtney on Portia’s star power:
  “Portia is a star.” ([06:21])

• On Kelly's fashion disasters:
  “Kelly wants to find the worst outfits and then make them worse with the accessories.” – Courtney ([08:37])

• Courtney on the show's parade of boobs:
  “The boobs on this show are out of control and I find myself staring at them all episode long. They’re beautiful boobs.” ([09:49])

• On Angela's rumor bombing:
  "This was a tough, tough week for Angela." – Mary ([19:00]) "Angela looks so dumb in this moment..." – Mary ([23:01])

• On reunion seating and cast futures:
  "That shows me she's definitely going to get a second season. Andy in the middle, K. Michelle is next." – Mary ([13:54])

• On unity and vulnerability:
  "At the end of the day, we only have each other... we gotta help each other out." – Portia/recapped by Mary ([47:35]) "We can all go now and masturbate." – Portia ([49:36])

• On Portia's strategic silence:
  “Portia's also realizing Shamia's doing it all on her own.” – Courtney ([43:05])

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Episode Flow and Listener Takeaways

• Episode Structure:

  1. Personal banter about LA reunion and outfits
  2. Portia’s media moment and relationship update
  3. Fashion and travel comedy
  4. Breakdown of core episode drama (Angela’s accusation; trip shenanigans)
  5. Meta gossip on franchise cast and reunions
  6. Closing on rare warmth and vulnerability

• Tone:
  Irreverent, frenetic, quick-tongued, equal parts snark and affection for the cast.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [04:09] – Start of RHWA Recap
• [05:18] – Portia on Ziwe & First Amendment moment
• [07:44] – Airport outfit comedy and Scotland trip fashion disasters
• [13:54] – Reunion seating and speculation
• [18:56] – Deep dive: Angela’s accusation bombshell
• [33:08] – Scotland dinner scene
• [39:41] – The “girl-on-girl” confessions
• [47:35] – Kelly’s breakdown and house reconciliation scene
• [49:36] – Portia’s sermon-closing comic relief
• [50:06] – Predictions for next episode and Shamia's reaction

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Summary

A jam-packed, sharply observed recap anchored in “Kilts, Chaos, and Reads,” this episode of Two Judgey Girls deftly balances scathing wit, detailed drama dissection, and the occasionally moving reminder that, under the wigs, shade, and latex, ATL’s housewives sometimes find real kinship. With strong opinions on fashion, alliances, and messiness, Courtney and Mary deliver both hilarious commentary and genuine appreciation for the cast’s vulnerabilities—prime listening for fans and judgy newcomers alike.

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[Courtney]

Welcome back to two judgy girls.

[Mary]

This is Mary from the Bay and

[Courtney]

it's Courtney from la. It's Tuesday and guess what? In just a few short hours, you and I will be hand in hand. Like, just like two little girls skipping down the street a la Bethany and Jill.

[Mary]

Ugh, I cannot wait. And Courtney is even picking me up from the airport. She offered so generous of her time.

[Courtney]

Two things. It's not lax, so I feel comfortable not having to drive there. And I also think that Mary is saying it on the pod, so I do have to be held accountable and show up. I. I do feel that there's an ulterior motive there. And to that I say touche. And now I have to pick you up because even if I was like, woke up and was like, it would be rude. So now I. I will be picking you up and you can decide. Do you want to sit in the back seat and let me Uber you or will you be a front seat passenger? Princess? The choice is yours. Sleep on it.

[Mary]

Okay, I will decide, but we have a fun thing we're gonna go to and I will be sharing more for our outfits.

[Courtney]

Oh, I can't wait to show you guys. You're gonna. You're gonna love it. You're gonna love it. I wanted to talk about Portia on Z Way's show. I don't know if you had a chance to watch her. We've seen some clips. It is so freaking funny, you guys. It's on YouTube. ZWAY interviews Portia and they have just fun chemistry. Zway has met her match because she's pretty, like, stone faced. And the way that she, like, approaches is like she wants to kind of put you in an uncomfortable position and then watch your. You get out of it. But Portia, fantastically. I'm obsessed. And Portia's just in such a good place in her life that I feel like it is, like, resonating and, like, coming out of her.

[Mary]

One of the questions she asks is about the First Amendment. And it's very clear that Portia doesn't know what the First Amendment is, which I can only say the first two, to be honest, but.

[Courtney]

Yeah. But even the fact that Zwe gives her a context clue of saying you call yourself a journalist and what is the First Amendment? And Mary share with the class.

[Mary]

Freedom of speech.

[Courtney]

Yes. And Portia said it is better than the second because it is the first. And the way that she just answers it and has an answer, I'm like, you know what, Portia? Good for you. And I think I have to take back about what I said about Portia last season, because last season I was like, it's clear Portia can't be a star. It's clear that she's more of a sidekick and she's not that star power. And to that I say, courtney, you were wrong. Portia is a star.

[Mary]

Wait, this kind of. You know, the whole reason that she broke up with Mike was because he wanted kids. And then now I'm kind of thinking, like, will her and Sway have kids because Portia doesn't have to have the kids?

[Courtney]

Mm.

[Mary]

I mean, it's kind of an interesting thought.

[Courtney]

What an interesting thought you've had. But I just loved Portia on this interview because I think it just showed her really funny side. And I think she's just in such a good point in her. Her life right now that she's able to have as much fun as she wants. I mean, we come to find out on this episode of Atlanta that she and Sway have been together for a year. She is gay. Gay now. Okay. To announce that in the month of Pride.

[Mary]

Icon, legend, the moment.

[Courtney]

The moment. Everything. So I just think if you guys have the opportunity. It's 25 minutes. It's very silly. It's very fun. It's on YouTube. Check it out. Okay, cool.

[Mary]

Well, this episode is called Kilts, Chaos, and Reads. And the ladies are off to Scotland wearing the fugliest outfits I have ever seen.

[Courtney]

To be fair, some of them come airport ready, and some of them come from something else.

[Mary]

The airport outfits are hilarious to Me, I mean, giant coats, which now that I'm thinking about it, I guess they probably. No, no, because you're trying to find reason. As a normie, I might have to wear my giant biggest coat on the plane because I don't want to pay to check my bags. These women are checking 10 bags. So them traveling in the airplane all with fur coats, with giant hats because they're afraid to freeze. And it's 56 in Scotland. It had me giggling.

[Courtney]

I was laughing because again, Kelly, where are you finding these outfits? It's like Kelly wants to find the worst outfits and then make them worse with the accessories. She's like, this is terrible. How could I make it look worse? Let me add anything to it. And she does. And then I got to thinking, they're flying JetBlue mint. JetBlue's first class there. It's a lie down seat. Mary and I took that when we went to the Bahamas and we loved it. So feel free to sponsor us for anything because we will sell out for it all.

[Mary]

That gentblue Mint is nice. I would like to use it again.

[Courtney]

And then I thought, as we learned of behind the Scenes, is that it sounds as if production will book them the flights and then if they want to upgrade, they pay themselves. And I thought, who's paying for Kelly to upgrade? And then I thought, is she small enough that she could sit on Shamia's lap?

[Mary]

So having a child myself, I know you have to be under 2 years old.

[Courtney]

Oh, okay. So not a certain weight or height.

[Mary]

Maybe what she does with her clothes is she buys them from the children's department and then she cuts them up. She's always showing so much skin and she's like,

[Courtney]

I see the boobs on this show are out of control and I find myself staring at them all episode long. They're beautiful boobs.

[Mary]

You're enjoying yourself.

[Courtney]

I'm enjoying myself.

[Mary]

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[Courtney]

I. Yeah, I'm not a subscriber of that, but I just wanted to say that the boobs on this show, they are in my face all the time. And, like, I'm thankful. I can appreciate a good boob.

[Mary]

You stare.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I can appreciate two good boobs usually. I hope there are two good boobs. It's tough to have one bad boob.

[Mary]

You don't want three. They're like martinis. You only want two.

[Courtney]

Exactly.

[Mary]

Dorinda Mendley.

[Courtney]

Exactly. Okay, so they're off to Scotland. The entire country. Not a specific city, but the entire country. Scotland. They are off to. And there was just like, something so funny. There's these little, like, offbeat moments that always make me laugh. Pinky walking away at the airport and literally leaving her bags on the curb. Because usually Derek just handles all that. That she had to, like, go back. And then it brought me back to a Kim Zolciak moment when had that red solo cup in hand.

[Mary]

I mean, when did she not.

[Courtney]

No, I know, but I'm saying Pinky had that red solo cup in her hand too. And I just was like, oh, Kim,

[Mary]

she would she be good on the traitors? Like, funny to watch comedic relief.

[Courtney]

She's like. Because she's a liar.

[Mary]

She'd always be wrong. You know, she would have like, this big opinion and try to get people on her side, but it would not make sense. Almost like a Tom Sandoval.

[Courtney]

Mary stopped talking him up. We can't talk about him anymore. We don't talk about him. Tell me your thoughts on the new traders.

[Mary]

So I'm a little bit nervous about the new traders because I don't know the people. So I'm not gonna know who to trust. And I don't like that. I wanna know the people and be able to Google them.

[Courtney]

And I think you could still Google them.

[Mary]

Oh, you think they're gonna have facts about them?

[Courtney]

Well, I think everyone has a fun fact about them. I think a LinkedIn will pop up. I think an IG will pop up. I think you will be able to find information on them. I do implore you to go watch the UK traders or the Australian traders or any of the other 12 iterations of traders that do have just normal people. It's tough. Like, it would be like watching any other reality show that casts normal people. But that's probably why you don't watch them. It's like, think about you were watching Top Chef. Mary, you don't know the chefs.

[Mary]

I know I gave up on them.

[Courtney]

Because you didn't know them.

[Mary]

Because I didn't know him.

[Chris Gillipo]

I didn't.

[Mary]

I wasn't invested.

[Courtney]

Okay, so this will be. I think you're going to be okay.

[Mary]

I'll. I'll still watch.

[Courtney]

I think you're going to be okay. I think you just have to take it on. You will know some of them because you will Google them.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Courtney]

Like, I bet.

[Mary]

Well, and it could be someone like Torgi, who they obviously hired to be the butler for the week for the girls, because they tell us he's a teacher. And then Shamiya's like, I've been following him for years. Who is this guy?

[Courtney]

Did you look him up?

[Mary]

I did not, because I got sidetracked because they're saying he looked like Idris Elba who dated K. Michelle.

[Courtney]

And then I had to Google that.

[Mary]

And they dated for eight months and they broke up because he had a child on the way with another woman.

[Courtney]

Now. Is that his current wife?

[Mary]

I didn't get that far in the Google search.

[Courtney]

Okay. I thought that was like a fun little fact of just, like, name dropping Idris Elba and then being like, hey, you dated him. She's gotten a lot of men taken away from her, and a woman, too.

[Mary]

By a hairdresser.

[Courtney]

By her hairdresser, K. Michelle. I'm like, when you are not paranoid, you are fun. And I wonder if she's now, because the reunion seating, by the way, came out over the weekend. Can we actually discuss this seating? Sorry, guys, we're. We're getting sidetracked here. But I think it's important because K. Michelle's first chair, that was shocking.

[Mary]

That shows me she's definitely going to get a second season. Andy in the middle, K. Michelle is next.

[Courtney]

So as you mentioned, shocker. Andy's in the middle, gets that seat, then it's K. Michelle, then it's Kelly, then it's Shamia, and then it's Pinky. Then on the other side, first chair, Porsche, then Angela, then Drew, then Phaedra. Then when Cynthia comes on, she is slotted next to Portia. Everyone's moving down a chair. That does not look good for Phaedra.

[Mary]

Okay, My prediction is next season, Phaedra will be like a Cynthia, and they're going to be mentors to the group. Okay. I actually, I think Shamia might be out. I kind of got that vibe.

[Courtney]

Have you heard the rumor?

[Mary]

What?

[Courtney]

That Shamia sent a cease and desist to Angela to stop talking about her marriage. I don't know if this is true or not, but this is. What? It's kind of been floating around. And I was like, I thought we're not allowed to do that anymore of, like, suing or any of this. Isn't that what got Denise in trouble with, like, a cease and descent? I'm worried about that. And if that's the case, I see them saying bye bye to Shamia.

[Mary]

I felt like after this episode, it's kind of Shamia's gonna go. That's how I felt. And that kind of makes sense to me why she's more, towards the end, shocked K. Michelle is in the front, but. But maybe something more happens Kelly, second chair. Makes sense.

[Courtney]

Wait, see, I would think that Shamia would be first chair, but it's almost like maybe they don't want to reward her bad behavior.

[Mary]

I think Andy likes K. Oh, a thousand percent.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I, I, I actually wonder if Andy has any say with reunion seating.

[Mary]

I also think they're doing it differently. Like it's not the teams anymore.

[Courtney]

It is in teams though. K, Michelle, Kelly, Shamia, and Pinky on one side and then the, and then the OGs and Drew and Angela on the other side. So I do think it is actually SAT alliance wise.

[Mary]

Yes. But I think they see you closest to Andy based on how much that you were talked about during this season and how much of a character you were or how much of how much

[Courtney]

screen time you had impact you had throughout the season. Yeah, no, I agree on that. I find it telling to me. There's a message being said that Shimmy is third.

[Mary]

I think she's gonna go. This episode was weird. I was like, how is Courtney going to defend Angela?

[Courtney]

Well, let's take a break and we can discuss that.

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[Courtney]

Here's the answer.

[Mary]

Mary.

[Courtney]

I can't.

[Mary]

This was a tough, tough week for Angela. And I was genuinely confused. I mean, even the music when they did, she did this big accusation saying, did you fuck George? Was so not serious. And I don't think anyone believed her saying that. But it's like, you can't go running around asking people that are married if they slept with someone that you know

[Courtney]

who's your neighbor who's married.

[Mary]

It's weird. Ashley. Ashley thought it was weird too.

[Courtney]

And then I was like, why does everyone know who George is? And then I thought, oh my God, is George like the sweet James of Atlanta? Like, I know who Sweet James is because I drive around LA and Orange county and his billboards are everywhere. Crashing cash.

[Mary]

Wait, Sweet James is even up here too? On the back of buses? I see it all the time.

[Courtney]

Oh, so he's a California person then?

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Do you think he's still in Puerto Rico though?

[Mary]

Maybe. Yeah.

[Courtney]

We. That's for another day. But anyways, I was thinking, is George the sweet James of Atlanta?

[Mary]

The same thing came across my mind.

[Courtney]

Yes. And then I was like, what is this green glitter beard that he's got going on?

[Mary]

Oh, I didn't notice that.

[Courtney]

Oh my God. They like show this photo of him and he's got a green glittered beard. And I'm like, who is George?

[Mary]

Right? And you're telling me this guy George that Angela's quote, unquote, saying they slept together, came on camera and gave her thousands of dollars for her charity? Like, no, that. That didn't happen.

[Courtney]

No. So, okay, what I think happened was Angela wanted to find some shit on Shamia. I actually believe Shamia, that Angela has been asking around about Shamia because Angela wants to be a bone collector.

[Mary]

Do you think that she was trying to get facts on Shamia before they had that one on one. Sit down. Yes.

[Courtney]

I think she's been doing research on Shamia since before this season. I think she came in knowing that Shamia was going to be her OP this year and then she wants to ask around. But it makes me think too, because I was like believing Angela last season when she brought in Junebug or whatever and remember, like the manila folder and it's like Phaedra's the Godfather. And I was like, well, why would Angela make that up? And then tonight I was like, why would Angela make that up? That's weird. Like, I was against Angela in that regard because I can't figure out what the end game is. Because she's trying to say, okay, well, Shamia knows George. George donated money as a write off for crashing cash, I'm sure. And to be the face of the charity and to probably have his name on a step and repeat. And we go back to season one of Real Housewives of New York, not season one, but whenever they did that whole thing and Ramona got her name on the step and repeat and Jill didn't. I forgot those sponsorships. And I thought, okay, so George is Angela's neighbor. Angela and George's children and Ashley's children play together because Ashley had already hung up when she was like, oh, our kids will play together. But she's asking Ashley, if I make an accusation on camera, are you going to be upset about it? Not letting her know that the accusation is that Ashley's husband slept with another married cast member.

[Mary]

I felt like when Angela dropped this bomb, nobody believed it. But then at the same time, nobody was helping Shamia. It was very strange because if this happened on any other franchise, like, this is actually crazy.

[Courtney]

I think it was so unbelievable. And I think nobody defended Shamia because Shamia didn't react. Which is why I believe Shamia, because I feel like whenever there's smoke, there's fire. Like, you know, they start giving too much information or whatever. Like, Shamia just laughed this off because she was like, wait, so my Hawks players or my Falcons or my George, where is the time in my day to do all of this? Shamia was just like kind of laughed off that I felt like nobody even wanted to defend it because they were so shocked that this is what Angela brought up.

[Mary]

It was out of nowhere. And Angela looks so dumb in this moment when Shamia is upstairs getting texts from Ashley and Ashley's completely clearing her name. And then Angela calls Ashley and tries to play this game of telephone, being like I did not say that. You said that your husband slept with Shamia and then she left out the omission of. She was the one that said it, you know, like, it was crazy. Like, and she's calling the woman saying, I didn't say that. You said that.

[Courtney]

Like, she. Yeah, she's trying to make it say that Ashley okayed it and said, yes, they had an affair. But what the real thing was, was Angela saying, I'm going to say something. Is it okay? Not saying what it was going to be. I'm going to question your marriage. Basically, I'm going to mention that your husband stepped out on you, but we'll definitely have a playdate week. Okay. I think the timeline was off, though. I feel like Angela called Ashley. Like, Shamia sent a text to Ashley being like, what the hell? And Ashley's like, I don't know what you're talking about. And then I feel like Angela called and then Shamia and Ashley were going back and forth during the text at the same time. Like, the timeline was off a little bit. And I'm like, angela, you look crazy here because this is just, like, so outlandish. We don't even know Ashley. We haven't even met Ashley. And now she's going to be like, why is my marriage involved in this?

[Mary]

It was really kind of crazy.

[Courtney]

It just was like a weird thing. And should we blame. Okay, I guess I could defend Angela. Jet lag. It makes you go crazy. Too tall to lay back because she's got a size 11 foot. Okay. She couldn't lay all the way down because she's too tall. And so she was uncomfortable. And so the jet lag made her go a little cuckoo.

[Mary]

It just was such a bad look for Angela. But she's coming after Shamia so hard trying to expose her for cheating on Gerald. And the real question is, do you think Shamia cheats?

[Courtney]

I think it would be very dumb of Shamia to cheat considering the Kush setup that she has with Gerald.

[Mary]

So you're like a K Michelle? Well, it just K Michelle's like someone with that much money. I don't know why you would do that.

[Courtney]

There isn't an I in team, but there is one in idiot.

[Mary]

Right?

[Courtney]

But yeah, if you need to bring up some legitimate proof that this is happening. Okay. Did we know this, that Shamia was a Hawks dancer? I don't remember that ever being something and now she does broadcast for it. But I was thinking, if you're a dancer, as someone who's watched DCC all These years, I know you're not allowed to date a player. It's, like, illegal. You have to, like, sign something, Right?

[Mary]

That is true. I just finished the current season. Okay.

[Courtney]

And I'm only on, like, episode three or something.

[Mary]

I just. I love it. I love watching Kelly because she is psychotic.

[Courtney]

Monster.

[Mary]

Monster. Like, one of your veterans comes and basically has to get a surgery, and you're like, well, yeah, sometimes you just have to retire. No heart.

[Courtney]

And that's why Kelsey on Rhode island had to push her brain surgery back because she wanted to be in that pageant. So wait, they literally just told the girl, you could either get surgery or you can retire?

[Mary]

I mean, she's like, some. Some athletes, like, that's the end of their career. They have to leave because of an injury. Like, I'm sorry.

[Courtney]

Did she actually say, I'm sorry? I feel like she wouldn't.

[Mary]

No, she did.

[Courtney]

Well, that's a decision you have to make for yourself.

[Mary]

Yeah, exactly. She didn't say she was sorry.

[Courtney]

Oh, my God. Monster. Monster. Yeah, I think, too, it's like, at the end of the day, why is Angela starting this fight? Because the real thing, if she wanted to have beef with Shamia, would be to bring up the daughter argument from earlier, which is like, last week, she

[Mary]

was clearly coached on that in. In, because she realizes, like, that Ashley conversation didn't make me look good.

[Courtney]

Because they're all laughing at her. I mean, they're, like, closing the door. That's when she goes into her shining moment, like, peekaboo. Like, because you failed. And at the end, too, like, Phaedra and Portia are trying to calm it down, which is funny because Drew makes a point about Shamia and Portia later in this episode, and Portia seemingly wants nothing to do with Shamia, but isn't getting involved in it, but also is trying to calm the situation by going to Angela instead. And, like, Shamia doesn't know that at this point that Portia's trying to be like, what the hell's going on? Portia having to put her hat back on because she's like, I just took my wig out, and I wanted to just, like, itch my braids. And then, like, what's going on here? But I was like, she actually is trying to do a solid for Shamia being like, we need to stop this right now. Like, this is crazy, right?

[Mary]

Her and Phaedra realize, like, we need to stop coming after each other and just have a little fun. This should be a fun girls trip, because we're getting nowhere between the two of you. And people are going to be sick of watching that.

[Courtney]

Well, and also, like, we just, like, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. And I also think, too, after last week with, like, the basketball conversation, too, it was like, okay, Shamia is obviously getting singled out.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

And what happens with that is that you're going to ruin some. Like, I don't want this. We're going to Scotland. We're going to the entire country of Scotland. We can't do that to one person. It doesn't work that way.

[Mary]

Angela, like, pretty much lost me this week because she's lying and saying very disparaging lies. And she's accused her of sleeping with multiple people. Hawks.

[Courtney]

Two teams. Two teams.

[Mary]

And George. And then the way she got on the phone with the Ashley girl, trying to, like, play on the semantics. And it's like you literally just said to. That this woman's husband, Shamia. And then you're calling to defend yourself and pretending like you didn't actually say that when it's on camera. Like, it was insane.

[Courtney]

Well, and then like, Portia and Phaedra sitting there too, like, you laughing, say that. Because they're like, wait, you didn't say that. And it's like, well, no, no. I just was going to ruin your marriage with an accusation. Hope it's okay.

[Mary]

Yeah, but, Ashley, I didn't say that. You said that. I said it.

[Courtney]

But hold on.

[Mary]

That told me that.

[Courtney]

Yeah, it was like. It's crazy.

[Mary]

This is just.

[Courtney]

It was so weird. I think the other storyline that we're hitting on this week, too, is the Kelly losing it all.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Like, Angela's losing you. Kelly's losing it. All.

[Mary]

Right. But I feel like they were trying to set Kelly up to make her talk about this kind of restraining order. Because what's weird about Kelly is that she hasn't shared the information with the group. We're hearing about this information from confessionals.

[Courtney]

Well, Kelly talks about it last week or the other week of the reason why she's moving into Shamia's house is because she had an argument with the neighbor. But she refuses to take ownership of the fact that it's her fault that she went into that backyard, that she started something, that the neighbor had to file a restraining order on her. She's acting like that's not. No, that wasn't me.

[Mary]

She had to move.

[Courtney]

Yes.

[Mary]

Like, she was literally forced to move.

[Courtney]

And the fact that she has this restraining order was making it difficult for her to find anywhere to rent because of that, they probably ran a background check.

[Mary]

I bet some places do.

[Courtney]

Sure. Yeah. So I. Well, I was wondering because when she was saying she was like, because of the restraining order I had to move into Shamia's place, I was thinking it was because she couldn't rent, but maybe just because she couldn't be in that close of distance proximity, I think she

[Mary]

had to vacate her property because she literally couldn't be there. And also, she doesn't have the funds right now to pay rent for somewhere.

[Courtney]

So who got her to first class? Jarvis, that first class ticket is, like, what she has to pay for one month of rent. That's her budget.

[Mary]

Jarvis is Gerald. I don't think they sleep together or anything, but. No, I think Gerald helps her out.

[Chris Gillipo]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

I'm not sure if Gerald knows he helps her out, but she is helping her out. But also, if I'm Kelly, like, stay at Shamia's as long as you can. I understand wanting to be independent and set up, but, like, if Shamia is like, your friend and that's. And we kind of mentioned that in this episode, right? Like, you're calling me her lap dog or like, I'm doing things for her. Like, no, we're just, like, we're just being friends. Like, try it sometime. I'm like, so if Shamia really is helping you, Portia really is helping you because there is a sense of girlhood and sisterhood and at the end of the day, like, you guys fight like sisters, but you are understanding that you're on a show together and there is a level of humanity that you can put past when it comes to these things is let Shamia help you take the free rent for as long as you can. I'm sorry that you can't film with your daughters. And I know it's more than just being able to film with your daughters, but, like, we don't even need that content.

[Mary]

Great. They did a good job wrapping up this episode with the bow, which I appreciated. Let's take a break and talk about the dinner.

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[Courtney]

Did you

[Mary]

notice Shamia put some Lowry seasoning in a Ziploc baggie to take for her food?

[Courtney]

Of course she did. Shamia loves a prop. Her bringing out the heating pad too. To talk about how cold it was in Scotland. I was like, shamia, I literally gave you a compliment last week. I said, on your own. You are funny. And then this week, what'd you do? You embarrassed me again. Okay, because that heating pad, the thing about the singing with the bagpipes, you took it to far. You can't have every moment be hilarious. Okay, stop embarrassing me. You and Tom Sandoval.

[Mary]

Okay, Kelly, this outfit might be like one of the worst outfits in Housewives history.

[Courtney]

This blue saying a lot because Kelly is wearing that ugly ass latex outfit. Did you notice the fingerprints on the latex this week?

[Mary]

I still didn't. Sorry. Sorry.

[Courtney]

It's okay.

[Mary]

Okay, I'll look again next week. Okay. And I watched it twice, so that's bad. Okay.

[Courtney]

Your big picture though. Remember, don't be too hard on yourself.

[Mary]

So we go in to dinner with Bonnie Badger.

[Courtney]

Oh, is that part of the lion family? Like you don't know what a badger is, Pinky.

[Mary]

Well, because she doesn't eat meat.

[Courtney]

Okay, but there's like that really funny joke about like honey badger, don't give a. Like, you know, that she doesn't eat meat, so she doesn't know animals at all.

[Mary]

What is.

[Courtney]

Do you eat lion?

[Mary]

What was that liquor store they went to? Dallas. In Vail.

[Courtney]

Oh, in Beaver Creek.

[Mary]

Yes. You must have, must have been a beaver.

[Courtney]

You went there.

[Mary]

I know you want me to have your memory.

[Courtney]

It's so hard. It's hard to remember for two people.

[Mary]

It must have been beaver licorice store and more.

[Courtney]

Again, you physically went there. Oh, you were wondering if it was a badger.

[Mary]

I was kind of thinking that, but it was a beaver.

[Courtney]

Okay, both not part of the lion family. Anyways, going back to the dinner, the outfits were insane because they're really trying to like lean into the plaid. Like, Cynthia even brings plaid pajamas, which I, I love too.

[Mary]

Yeah, that's like the most unstranged thing to wear. Plaid sure is unstranged a word.

[Courtney]

It is today. You know, we've. We've come this far. You just keep going, Mary. You got this, you got this. Awkward. But Kelly's outfit is literally the most hideous thing I've ever seen. It's like almost like she has like a holster on with like blue tartan. And then she has like a beaver, basically a blue fur over her shoulders with this, like white cut up. Maybe it is from a children's store. A white button up that she's somehow tattered. It is so ugly.

[Mary]

Awful, Horrible.

[Courtney]

So ugly. I. I don't understand. But before Kelly, we get. We take different cars again and we have an arrival of Shamia, Pinky and K. Michelle first. And they have to discuss. Because Shamia's like, hold on. You brought up the other day that there is an issue with me and K. Michelle and I don't know what that is. For you to bring it up in front of the group when I was already being singled out. What gives?

[Mary]

This was kind of a non moment, though.

[Courtney]

I know. Well, because Michelle does. Because K. Michelle's not paranoid right now. I think that's what it is. It really depends on the level of paranoia that Kay is at, whether she's going to involve herself or not.

[Mary]

Yeah. Shimia ends up taking accountability for it, obviously. It's like something weird happened. They drank too much at that club and her mom was getting involved and probably said way too much information.

[Courtney]

Well, the problem that K. Michelle is having is that she's like, don't be my friend. But then tell me everybody else hates you because of me. Like, you're making me feel bad about myself. And if that's the case, then, like, just don't be my friend.

[Mary]

Yeah, I don't know. This was a kind of a weird, weird thing. And then also on the ride over Portia, Angela and Phaedra ride over together and Angela was like, I pulled this out of nowhere. I forgot about this, this moment. But let me tell you, girl, she talked to my daughter. And Phaedra's like, she talked to your daughter? She is like, oh, my God, what did she say to your daughter that is so up.

[Courtney]

We don't do that.

[Mary]

The kids are not involved. Even though her daughter is like 25. But I get it, the kids are not involved. And she said she told my daughter that. Set it up.

[Courtney]

Land the plane, baby.

[Mary]

You are way nicer than your mom. That was it.

[Courtney]

And it was such a brief moment. Now, Shamia shouldn't have said that because it's like, what is she supposed to say? Like, I would defend my mom till the end of the day, but I'd walk away being like, what the hell? This is like, so weird.

[Mary]

The daughter literally comes over to like, give Shimia water and then Shimmy is like, thanks, you're way nicer than your Mom. And, like, there was a nod thing. And Angela's like, she confronted my daughter. And Feature's like, oh, my God, this is your ammo. This is what you can use tonight. And she's like, what? That's it? No, like, yeah, you got nothing here, babe.

[Courtney]

Well, also, Phaedra's, like, kind of upset with Angela for making up a lie, because, like, that's bad. And I'm like, wasn't that literally the reason you were fired from this show? But the first time, Phaedra, the lies, the lies, the lies. And if I had my whiteboard here, I would be circling that. But I was like, phaedra, it's like rich coming from you being like, yeah, I've been on the other side of these accusations. And then when they flashed back to Phaedra almost hitting Kenya with her clutch purse, I said, what face is that? And I just continually think, oh, my God, I want to be rich, too, because I'm not ugly. I'm just poor.

[Mary]

Stop it.

[Courtney]

No, I just. I was like,

[Mary]

they did look a lot different. A lot of them there did.

[Courtney]

Even when they flashback to Portia when she and Cynthia kissed.

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[Mary]

And let's talk about all the girl on girl action again.

[Courtney]

Happy pride.

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[Mary]

I feel like they were trying to catch Shamia here, though. But someone asks the question, like, oh, like, who in the group has been with a girl?

[Courtney]

It was Cynthia. It was Cynthia playing. Who do you trust the least? She's good friends with Marisol.

[Mary]

Right, right, right. And then it was very interesting. So, like, Kelly and Drew really connected because they both said that they brought in, like, a girl in their marriage, and that really kind of with them mentally. And Drew's like, yeah, I just feel like the marriage was never the same after. And then they cut to all the different times that she has spoke about kind of being with a woman or alluding to it. So is, like, shady, because she's claiming it was, like, that's it during her marriage, like, in a threesome capacity. And then Kelly talks about that as well and how that kind of screwed up her marriage. She also didn't. Remember she said that on camera.

[Courtney]

She's like, I gotta stop drinking on these trips.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Courtney]

You just. Like when we were talking when you just mentioned Ralph without saying his name, I literally just flashback to that reunion when Drew sings her hit song. Not sure it's a hit, but whatever. To Ralph at the reunion. Oh, I just like the visual of thinking about that right now, where they're like, okay, Drew, so what you're gonna do. We're gonna give you a mic. You're gonna perform your song. Ralph will be on stage, and you can perform it to him if you'd like. Just the setup of that. Oh, man. Oh, man.

[Mary]

Gives you the heebie jeebies.

[Courtney]

It's terrible. Get out of the. Get out of the house.

[Mary]

House.

[Courtney]

You're not meant for the lower level, Right?

[Mary]

Right. Then Pinky said she dated a girl for three years, and literally, Phaedra is, like, eating her soup. There's like, yeah, she did. I'm, like, surprised she ended up with a man at all. Everyone knows she's been in the lady song many, many times.

[Courtney]

Then they keep talking about. And it was alluded to that there was a wife. I thought it was in the attic, but it must have been. That they talked to originally. But it's the basement. And they're all like. Like, wait, is the wife in the basement? Basically for Derek or for Pinky?

[Mary]

Unclear.

[Courtney]

Unclear. Unclear. And, you know, k. Michelle tells her story about the hairdresser, Cynthia. She kissed Portia. It wasn't for her. And Portia's like, you did put your tongue in my mouth. And Cynthia goes, and it's not for me. I have a daughter who's fluid, though, so I do know about it. Like, she was, like. As if she was. Felt like she wasn't contributing enough to the conversation because everybody else was having. Talking about their experiences. And then they, like, go to Shamia. Shamia's like, well, I've kissed a girl. And they kind of flash towards Portia that I'm like, portia knows more. Portia knows more. And then the candy drop that Drew says.

[Mary]

And Portia literally said, well, Drew, you kind of ruined the mood because that definitely happened, right?

[Courtney]

Yes. Like, we want people to be forthcoming. We don't want to, like, get it out of them. But I was like, Portia. Portia knows. She's staying silent because she's. She's not going to get involved until next week when we talk about their mom, right?

[Mary]

No, Portia's funny. She's just, like, kind of keeps eating. She literally tells her mind, like, okay, do not react because you know where the bodies are buried. But she does not want to have beef with Shamia. She just wants to ice her out and wants her to go away.

[Courtney]

Well, I think Portia's also realizing Shamia's doing it all on her own. She exactly doesn't need to do anything. So, like, whether or not the girls know how Portia feels about Shamia, Shamia Is. Is the one that's, like, kind of on the front of making sure that she's front and center, but also starting drama. That, yeah, Portia doesn't have to do anything.

[Mary]

Right, Right.

[Courtney]

So then it kind of escalates with Angela and Shamia, and I thought that it was, like, smart of Shamia to

[Mary]

kind of apologize right away. Yes, totally. She's like, I, you know, I shouldn't have been talking to your daughter.

[Courtney]

But also, you can't make these allegations about my marriage. And I love that. Like, Portia just shuts it down.

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[Courtney]

Like, we are not doing this at this restaurant. We are not getting kicked out. I saw Salt Lake City, and they were asked to leave the Greek restaurant. You're not.

[Mary]

Not for Pinky. Got to read the text from Ashley. Shake my head. Angela is lying. There's a motive. Big lies. Very evil of her.

[Courtney]

Prepared her for the housewives.

[Mary]

She worked there for three years. So, yeah, he sure did. Yeah.

[Courtney]

And so, yeah, everyone knows, like, Angela's lying. It's like, Angela just move on. It's not. It's. It's not worth it. I don't know why we're going here.

[Mary]

Right. But everyone knows she's lying. But why are they not helping Shamia? I feel bad for Shamia. I think it's crazy. I think it's so inappropriate to say. You calling out this man, saying you slept with them, and then you're saying the Falcons and the Hawks, like, like. And nobody's really coming to Shamia's bat. I feel bad for her.

[Courtney]

I agree. But I also think it's just to the point where it's like, they don't want to give it smoke because it's so ridiculous. Like, they try to. Portia try to. Earlier with Angela was like, let's just drop it. Angela brings it up again. They don't want to also mess with their alliances either. I don't know why, like, K and Pinky aren't. But then didn't you find it funny, too, when Pinky kind of mediated and then Portia said, well, I. I helped that, because behind the scenes, Portia's like, pinky, you need to, like, make this okay. I feel like Portia is trying to defend Shamir without doing it on camera. Oh, do you think that that's what I was getting from the Pinky conversation? But then when Pinky pushed back and was like, well, did you do your side? She's like, oh, I'm not. No, no, no, no, no. It's not a tip for Tat.

[Mary]

On that. I just wish the group would say, angela, you can't say that. Shamia is sleeping with people. That is so fucked up. She's married.

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[Courtney]

But then, I mean, that's why I'm saying, like, Portia then, like, kind of steps into. Is like, we have to move on.

[Mary]

Angela should know from last season because this happened to her. Right. So why are you perpetuating these rumors?

[Courtney]

Well, and it's like, both of you have talked about each other's marriages, and I think right now, Shami has put that on the back burner. So it's like, it's just not even a fair fight. I'm feeling bad for Shamia in a way, even though she set herself up for it by talking about. About Charles. But also, like, yeah, you can't make up lies. Phaedra. Like, at the end of this, I thought it was funny, too, because they're talking about the daughter, they're talking about the husbands, and they're like, you guys, we have to stop it. Okay? We can't talk about kids, and we can't talk about marriages. And Phaedra's like, okay, we can't talk about kids, but we're actually allowed to talk about the marriages if they. If they, like, clock in. Like, we're allowed to talk about that.

[Mary]

Right.

[Courtney]

I thought that was, like, silly.

[Mary]

Right then I felt like we awkwardly ended up just back at the house. Yes. It was, like, very abrupt.

[Courtney]

Well, it's like, no more insults, no more dinner.

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[Mary]

Well, and no more dinner because they had to come home and keep eating. They were all in that room, like, eating out of takeout boxes. It's kind of like the Bachelor, how they wouldn't actually eat on the Bachelor.

[Courtney]

Well, so in the. In the room, are we in Portia's room or Phaedra's room? Unclear. But Kelly comes in, Phaedra's in there. Drew's in there, Cynthia's in there. And I thought this was, like, a smart moment, because I think Kelly also. She's just tired. She's tired of fighting. She's tired of this. But in a way, because I think Phaedra has offered this olive branch is like, okay, there is an opening for me to go there. Drew and I had this connection. She's dipping her toes in the water of the. Of the enemy territory, if you will. And I thought this was really smart of Kelly. I think it takes a lot to cross that. That territory line. But I thought it was smart because it worked out in her favor. At the end of this, I feel

[Mary]

like Portia did a great job here. She sees Kelly breaking down, and she's like, I know what this is. Like, I just lived this. I feel awful for you. Like, your ex is suing. Bravo. For $200 million. That is a hard pill to swallow. This is your job. This is your livelihood, and we don't have to fight anymore. I am willing to move forward with you, because at the end of the day, we only have each other. We are in this together. We are sisters, and we gotta help each other out. And I'm seeing Drew, and you have a connection now. I'm seeing Phaedra help you out. Shamia's helping you with the house, and we all love each other, and we have to fight for each other, you know? Yeah. So. And Kelly is like, I really apologize for all those comments. And they all hug it out. And then Drew starts crying because she's like, I'm kind of in a similar situation. I don't know where I'm gonna live next. And this was a very, very sweet.

[Courtney]

I was like, Portia could lead sermons the way that she was, like, speaking to Kelly, because then Kelly tried to give the same sort of speech to Drew, but for me, didn't land as well, Repeating Portia's words. But even, like, Phaedra started getting choked up and then thinking, wow, a lot of this cast is really religious, and I don't know that I realized that. And then I started wondering, because, like, isn't Drew's mom a pastor?

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

And then I started wondering, do they all go to church? Because they all were, like, really leaning into God. And Phaedra even says, like, this one Bible verse that she's memorized. And I was like, wow, they really are leaning into God to help them.

[Mary]

Yeah, giving it up to God, because you know what? There's a black card in heaven, and if you are a builder, then you can build more. And I. I liked that. It was like, if you know what you're doing, you can keep doing it, and you'll rebuild. And you're in your rebuilding moment, and you can. You can do this. They were just hyping her up. And then Portia said, we can all go now and masturbate.

[Courtney]

And, you know, that's how every church sermon should end. I just thought this was a great moment, because I think that there's. There's so much more than the show. It's like, you can be shady, can be fun, and you can talk about real moments, but at the end of the day. We love you, woman. Yes, exactly. And she talks about that on Zway's show too, in a silly way, though, but yes.

[Mary]

Do you think Shamia is gonna be upset when she finds out that Portia and Kelly are in a good place?

[Courtney]

100%, because I think Shamia is having a really tough time this season. And I do think Cynthia nailed it on the head. We have said this. Is that a lot of things going in her outside that she can't control, she's trying to control here. Right. And so if everyone is making up, but she still has beef for her with people, where does that leave her? Where does that leave her with the cast. And if she's having issues with K that she doesn't even realize, oh, God, am I going to be on the outside? And then all of a sudden her paranoia is going up. I don't think she's going to like it at all. What do you think?

[Mary]

That's going to create a very interesting dynamic because Kelly deserves to be in a good place with Portia. And like we always say, the alliances don't work. And I love that Portia and Kelly came together at the end. So it'll be interesting to see Shamia's reaction to it.

[Courtney]

Well, because in Dallas too, if you remember, Portia tried to make it okay with Kelly and Kelly was like, I like where we're at right now. And Portia respect that. So it was almost like she needed Kelly to come tell her, I'm tired, I don't want to fight anymore. And then Portia's like, okay, okay, here we go. I think it's also goes towards Portia's veteran status too, of being on this show for so long that she can actually look from like the meta perspective and say, hey, we gotta lay off of her now.

[Mary]

Well, and it's gonna be a better season if we all get along together.

[Courtney]

Yeah. And I think this has been a great season.

[Mary]

Agreed? Agreed. Yep.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Well, anything else? Or should I go pick you up from the airport?

[Mary]

Come pick me up right now?

[Courtney]

All right, I'll see you guys tomorrow. Bye. Okay, bye.

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