TJG: RHOA S17 E15!

Summary

Two Judgey Girls – RHOA S17 E15 Recap (July 20, 2026)

Episode Overview

Theme:
Courtney and Mary, the ever-opinionated duo behind Two Judgey Girls, reunite (virtually) to dissect episode 15 of The Real Housewives of Atlanta’s 17th season (“Waking the Dead”). This episode is less about action and more about fallout: the lingering effects of an explosive fight between Shamia and Portia, unresolved cast dynamics, and the general sense of a “filler” episode. The girls also touch on notable Bravo gossip and pop culture updates.

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Personal Catch-Up & Weekend Recap

Timestamps: 02:47–06:04

• Mary’s weekend: Wine tasting with babies, Discovery Museum chaos, and World Cup viewing.
• Courtney's World Cup saga: Major timezone mix-ups, friends at the bar too early, and a rave review for the wild halftime show featuring “the Muppets, Shakira, Justin Bieber, BTS, and Madonna.”
  • Notable Quote:

    “Norway is the true winner… I love a medley. I want a one-hit, we go to the next. Like, I’ve got a short attention span. The Super Bowl could never.” (05:07, Courtney)

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Bravo News & Gossip

Timestamps: 06:42–20:06

1. Southern Hospitality Drama

• Leva vs. TJ tension: Rumors swirl that Leva won’t film season five, even though it’s her restaurant. Speculation that TJ’s new business announcement was a dig at Leva.
  • Read by Courtney: TJ’s Instagram post about “betting on myself” and not staying under someone else’s umbrella (07:23).
  • Leva’s clapback: Leva’s story: “Don’t surround yourself with fucking losers.” (09:33)
  • Discussion: Is TJ’s post about Leva, his mom, or someone else? Logistics of filming without Leva.
  • Notable moment:

    “It was never just about the hot dogs.” (08:23, Mary)

  • Funny aside: Hot dog nostalgia and mall food court memories.

2. Summer House Filming & Rumors

• Bailey’s alleged crying, newbies’ lack of “millennial debauchery.” Will the new cast party hard enough?
• Amanda in another grocery store.
  • Notable Quote:

    “Please stop. I don’t want to see anyone in a grocery store. Stop.” (13:06, Mary)

3. RHOSLC’s Angie & Sean Separate

• Reactions: Angie and Sean’s 27-year marriage ends; speculation about wife swap episode, separation timeline, his rumored girlfriend, and long divorce logistics.
  • Thoughtful take: Divorce patterns among Housewives, shifting views on marriage.
  • Quote:

    “It does feel like they go on these shows to break up their marriage and to not be a housewife.” (14:38, Mary)

  • Speculation:

    “I could see them actually never getting a divorce a la Kyle and Mauricio. I think they’ve been separated.” (16:18, Mary)

4. Gina Keough’s Health Update

• GoFundMe for tongue cancer treatment: Notable Bravo names donating, including Andy Cohen, Vicki, Tamra, and Carmella (19:10–19:24).

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RHOA S17 E15 (“Waking the Dead”) Deep Dive

Timestamps: 27:13–58:08

Episode Reactions & Critique

General Disappointment

• The girls find this episode deeply unsatisfying due to off-screen fallout from the dramatic Shamia/Portia fight.
  • Quote:

    “I have to say I was extremely disappointed…we weren’t allowed to talk about it.” (27:13, Mary)

  • No real reactions from cast. Portia and Shamia coexist in scenes but “try to pretend it didn’t really happen.”

Fallout from Shamia and Portia’s Blow-up

• No group processing: The group avoids discussing the drama openly; Mary and Courtney call for accountability and real reactions.
• Shamia the outcast: Cast seems fed up with Shamia; her actions seen as desperate and not owning up.
  • “Delulu” diagnosis:

    “Shamia is living in Deluland.” (28:04, Courtney)

• Editing gaps: Viewers miss out on entire activities, leaving everything feeling fragmented.
  • Quote:

    “What the hell was cut out of this episode?” (29:20, Courtney)

Speculation

• Production manipulations (who decided Shamia and Kelly returned to Club Coco?), and possible off-camera apologies.
• Mary’s prediction:

  “Shamia’s gonna be gone.” (32:18, Mary)

Ensemble Dynamics

• The cast can't sustain true drama if parties refuse to even talk.
  • Quote:

    “If two people are not going to talk and not be friends, it doesn’t really work.” (33:10, Mary)

Costume Callouts

• Confessional Look: Kelly’s “McDowell’s” outfit and unforgettable cleavage are a group distraction/inside joke.
• Club Coco: Portia leads karaoke; K. Michelle rallies the group. Only for Shamia to return as if nothing happened—annoying the whole cast, again.

Notable Moments

• Portia’s “destiny swap” paranoia:
  Courtney explains (41:10–42:29) – a spiritual idea that someone tries to steal your fortune or path. The girls boil it down to plain jealousy.

  • Quote:

    “She’s trying to steal Portia’s destiny.” (42:38, Mary)

• Shamia’s Watch What Happens Live appearance:
  Lackluster; no major revelations.

• Reunion predictions: If no on-screen resolution, Mary may “boycott Atlanta.”

K. Michelle

• Stands out for vulnerability about her health, but keeps her emotional guard up. Mary thinks with a little more buy-in, she’s season 2 gold.

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Graveyard Adventure

Timestamps: 47:37–49:29

• Cast’s reaction to the graveyard (“Turn it around! Turn it around!”).
• Fashion fails: “Shamia, you killed Muppets for your jacket.”
• Mary would choose activities over manor lounging.

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More RHOA Tidbits

• Club Coco: Standout costumes for Phaedra’s birthday. Portia’s unconvincing “best friend” act for Phaedra; Shamia, still cast aside.
• Friendships: An extended debate about “genuine” off-camera friendships versus Bravo-for-the-cameras bonds.
  • “I actually don’t think that either of them have that many friends.” (54:58, Courtney)
• Kyle Richards’ sobriety milestone: Shoutout for her four years sober; speculation if she was shading Dorit.

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Looking Ahead

• Next week’s Atlanta: Halloween costumes and fresh drama. Speculation over rumored pregnancies among the cast.
• Ultimate Girls Trip is coming in August.

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Notable Quotes & Highlights

• “I love a medley. I want a one hit. We go to the next. Like I've got a short attention span. The Super Bowl could never." — Courtney (05:07)
• “If two people are not going to talk and not be friends, it doesn’t really work because it is an ensemble cast.” — Mary (33:10)
• “Shamia is living in Deluland.” — Courtney (28:04)
• “Maybe I leaned into this conflict so hard because I thought it'd be good for the show and it’s actually really personally ruining this friendship that we built for all these years.” — Courtney, on what Shamia should express (44:30)
• “I want to do an activity. I’m flown to Scotland, you’re telling me I have to stay at the house all day? No…” — Courtney (49:05)

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Conclusion

This episode of Two Judgey Girls features a blend of sharp Bravo commentary, behind-the-scenes speculation, and their signature tongue-in-cheek humor. Their main frustration: the RHOA cast's avoidance and editorial gaps after one of the wildest fights in franchise history. Classic pop culture digressions, costume critiques, and genuine concern for Bravo-lebrity well-being round out the discussion.

Next week promises: Halloween chaos in Atlanta and more Bravo bombshells to discuss.

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Welcome back to two Judgy Girls.

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This is Mary from the bay, and it's Courtney from la. Happy Monday, Mary. How was the weekend?

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My weekend was good. I went wine tasting on Friday. It was a little bit of a different experience with four babies, but we did it. We had a blast. Saturday, I went to the Discovery Museum.

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Wow. What'd you discover?

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My nightmare. Oh, well, we were. We were 45 minutes late meeting our friends, so. So we only were there for an hour, and that was the perfect amount of time for me and the Discovery Museum. And then, of course, we got to go to lunch. So that. That was my favorite part.

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So a little for Charlie, a little for you?

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I'd like more for me, but sure,

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yeah, I understand that.

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We did get a little bit of.

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Of that.

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And then I was in and out with the World cup yesterday. Catch us up. I know you're sad it's over, guys.

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I am like, I'm going through it, man. I just was very sad. Okay. I also am very dumb. My weekend was on Saturday. I had a friend's birthday. And then before that, we watched the third place game, which was the final for me, France versus England. Then we went out, and then I, like, sent myself home. Everyone else was like, let's keep going. I'm like, I have the World cup tomorrow.

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Sure.

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Because I'm playing. And in my head, I guess, because I kept looking at the east coast time, I was like, it starts at three. It starts at three. And not one of my friends corrected me, by the way. And we'll have to assess our friendship on that because it started at noon. I was looking at the east coast time. So I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll come out. My friend's like, okay, were out here. I'm like, why are you guys at the bar so early? I'm like, I can't do it. They were. They were on time.

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Yes.

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So I figured that out about a half hour before, which is on me. And what a fan. Can I call myself a fan? No, I can't.

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Well, at least you figured it out before.

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Yes. You know, and it was okay. I didn't need to keep going out. It's like, enough is enough. We need to resume normal life. Can I balance work life and World Cup? Clearly, I can't.

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So you watched it at home.

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So I did get to watch it at home. It was an exciting win because I wanted Spain to Win. I loved the halftime show. Did you watch it?

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I saw bits and pieces of it. I know the Muppets were a part of it.

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Shakira and Justin Bieber and BTS Madonna opened it up. Dude, amount he was conducting during was so fun. Coldplay was there. Chris Martin like barely showed up. I. All of a sudden he was like in the background like, where did you come from? Okay. But here's the thing. People are hating on it. I freaking loved it. They also had the Muppets were doing the Viking row with Norway and they put that up there. So I'm like, Norway is the true winner across this completely. I love this because I love a medley. I want a one hit. We go to the next. Like I've got a short attention span. Get me going. And I thought the super bowl could never.

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So you enjoyed the halftime show?

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I had a blast. I was like 10 out of 10. I was entertained.

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Okay. I wish I could say more about that.

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I will watch it today. Okay.

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And. And hopefully have more to say about it tomorrow. Okay.

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Anyways, I'm just, I'm sad and it's like at the end of the day really, it's the friends we made along the way.

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Sure. Who is your best friend from this

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situation that they know of that a one sided best friend.

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It's a one sided friendship.

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Of course. Like, obviously Haaland is like my best friend, but he will never know each other and that's okay. But now it's like, okay, now I've got to be watching all these other leagues and it's like I used to do the early wake ups and now I'm going to have to do it all again just so that I can feel something. Okay, let's go through all the news because a lot happened. Let's start with Southern hospitality because that was brewing like Thursday, Friday. Did you see those TJ love a post that were happening.

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Yes. So people are saying that Leva is not going to film season five, which I'm okay with. But also at the same time, it literally is her business. So I don't know how we're gonna get around that. I mean, I think a little Leva makes sense, but I don't need a Lisa Vanderpump on my hands. But people are saying TJ and her are feuding right now because TJ made this post and it seemed like it was directed towards Leva because he is starting a brick and mortar shop for Sir Wieners in two locations.

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By the way. Good for him.

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I don't Know what's going on. What do you think?

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So do you want me to read what he wrote?

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Sure.

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So he wrote. It felt criminal not posting for National Hot Dog Day yesterday, but honestly, I've been so focused on what's next that I haven't really stopped to reflect for a long time. I let someone convince me that I needed them for my dreams to become reality, that I was moving too fast, that I should stay where I was, that my future depended on staying under someone else's umbrella instead of building my own. I started believing it. But at some point, you have to ask yourself if you're living your own story or someone else's. So I'm betting on myself. Ser Wieners was never just about hot dogs. It's proof that sometimes the biggest leap you can take is walking away from what feels comfortable and trusting yourself enough to build something from the ground up. Maybe I'll fail, maybe I'll succeed, but every win, every mistake, every lesson will be mine. I finally stopped asking for permission and started believing I was enough all along. Charleston and Richmond, Virginia. Ser Weiner's brick and mortars are happening. Stay tuned.

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I mean, that does feel like it is directed towards Leva. That feels very clear there. But I don't know. But also for his merch. He needs to have on a shirt. It was never just about the hot dogs.

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Yes. I'm telling you, it's like the same thing, I think with, like, lover boy too, is like, they make great merch. I feel like they gotta focus on the merch. Because I'm gonna be honest, I'm not going to Richmond, Virginia for a hot dog. I'm not going to Charleston for a hot dog.

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I personally love my hot dogs outside of a stadium at a concert. And I had just enough to drink to think this is a great idea. And this smells delicious and I want that right now. And I'm getting a hot dog at a stadium, but I can't sit say, I'm going out. Although I do like a corn dog.

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I was just going to bring up hot dog on a stick. Is that even in existence anymore? Remember, their uniforms is like a red and blue and white striped with a little, little top hat.

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It feels very Orange Julius Mall. It feels Annie Ann's pretzels in that thing.

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Leba then posted a story and I'm gonna get this wrong. So I'm sorry, but the gist of it was something around like, don't surround yourself with fucking losers. And it was like a poster, you know, one of those signs yeah. And she's like, oh, my God, I hadn't even seen TJ's post. I don't even know what you're talking about. But since we are talking about it. No, I, like, wish him the best. He's a good kid. I'm like, TJ's 34. She's clearly, like, putting him down, but passive aggressively. Why does she even feel the need to get involved? Leva always gets her involved and looks terrible in the outcome of it.

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I also think TJ is very messy, and I could see him writing this to seem like it was Leva, but it's actually like his mom, you know what I mean?

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Or it's like the ex boyfriend that Sir Wieners is named after.

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Yeah, something like that.

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Or like someone telling him, you'll never make it. You need Leva. And it's actually not Leva saying it.

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Yeah. I'm not completely buying it, but I'm ready for season five and I want to talk about it.

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But like you said, how do you have season five where they work at Republic, but nobody can work there anymore because love is out. If I'm love, I'm like, you're not using my restaurants. Although I do want the business. He owns King Street, Right? Where are they gonna go?

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I don't know.

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Gotta go to. By the way, Craig takes over. It's Craig's show now, bitch.

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He would be a monster.

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A monster. I would love to see it, though.

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Also, those rumors about Paige getting engaged in Italy have been debunked.

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Yeah, I don't think we will find out about a Paige engagement until she's married.

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Oh, wow, that's secretive.

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She hid this guy for like a year, right?

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More than a year now.

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Yeah. I mean, she talks about him now, but I don't believe that she was talking about him before.

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Yeah, I think you're right.

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Yeah. Okay. Should we talk a little? Summer house spotted filming.

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I heard Kyle made Bailey cry now.

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Good. Here is Bailey always crying?

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Oh, no.

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We met her first episode. Within five minutes of meeting her, she was crying.

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I like her. I do worry, though, that she doesn't party. I kind of. No, I. I genuinely. I thought about this the other day. Oh, no.

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Think peace coming in.

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Worthy's newbies, they don't really go off like a millennial does, you know?

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Oh, I see what you're saying.

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Generation. And I want to watch debauchery. I mean, this is the weekend.

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It is.

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Work hard, play hard. Party, party, party. And I'm worried she can't fill that I'm worried KJ can't either.

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I saw photos of them partying over the weekend.

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It looked like I hope to see them drunk this season.

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I saw this photo of KJ and it's, like, always weird when you see these random people because you're like, these worlds shouldn't somehow interact. But KJ was somewhere, was Rodrigo from Southern Charm, and then also Devin from the Challenge. And that's gonna be, like, a niche group of people who know who I'm talking about. But I was like, it is so weird to see these random worlds collide, even though it probably kind of makes sense. But why are they all together?

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I guess that's what people do. They go to the Hamptons on the weekends in the summer.

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Oh, not Amanda, though.

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Not Amanda.

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She's in a grocery store buy and dip to make for a world cup party. I go, mary's gonna hate that. She's in another grocery store.

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Please stop. I don't want to see anyone in a grocery store. Stop.

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She's probably like, you guys, I seriously make the best buffalo chicken dip. It's so good. And I substitute sour cream with Greek yogurt. Don't you feel like she's got, like, a quote unquote special recipe? But it's TikTok recipe.

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It's definitely a TikTok recipe. But I also. I don't even think she tries to cook.

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She was always the person in summer house, so that would start the cooking.

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Really? Yeah.

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Go back.

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I don't remember that.

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Yeah, that's okay. Should we. Should we talk about the rumors that were started over the weekend that were

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confirmed this a.m. i'm really sad. So Angie and Sean of Salt Lake city, they separated. 27 years of marriage. And then I was going back in time because I have met Shawn, and we all know about the suburban ride with Angie.

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So you were basically a Trujillo Catsinevis, A doctor. Stop. D. She mothered you.

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I. I'm so sad about this. And then it just, like, makes me think about all the women that have come on these shows to get divorced. Bronwyn. Now her. Heather Gay has been single the whole time. But then it. But then Mary's in a fake marriage.

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Excuse me. She's in a marriage with the God and her step grandpa.

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I know all these people are, like, single.

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The entire cast of OC I know.

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It's becoming. OC Is becoming a Beverly Hills and New York. It does feel like they go on these shows to break up their marriage and to not be a housewife you

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mean a quote unquote, real housewife?

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Exactly.

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But, okay. So then I started thinking about their wife swap episode.

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Me too.

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And it kind of felt like now that I look back, was there already drama going there? You texted me a good point this morning.

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Yeah. I'm like, remember, the house was for sale. Were they going their separate ways then?

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I think this separation has actually been for a while, and I think that's why she's been so mean on this show. I think if you go back and you actually watch, like, the insults she gives people the way she is, it feels like maybe it's a front for just a level of unhappiness. And I'm saying this objectively, and I start thinking, like, okay, that wife swap episode. Oh, no. Have they actually been. Been separated? Are they maybe even like, amicably in a roommate situation? They share the bed with the daughter.

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That was coming to mind too, because I'm like, it feels like they just like, you know, haven't slept together in a long time. And they openly talked about that.

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Yeah. Well, and then there's a rumor that he's hooking up with somebody at Lunatic Fringe. And it's like, is that an affair or have they been separated and he's in a relationship with someone at the salon? Angie doesn't really come in. I don't know if she ever actually renewed her cosmetology license, so maybe she's still not practicing. She's obviously has this job with housewives. She has all these different brand deals that she's doing. Is she really even involved outside of a name? Only for Lunatic Fringe. And then I think, how the hell do you actually get that pieced out in a divorce?

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I feel like this divorce is going to take a very long time. I could see them actually never getting a divorce a la Kyle and Mauricio. I think they've been separated. He started dating someone at the salon. That's what I'm choosing to believe. And do you think we will see this play out this season?

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John Barlow, we need an update.

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Is this her storyline this season? Like a potential separation? Or was it after cameras went down?

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How long has have they been separated now? Just come out? Sadly, when they had that as a storyline, I was like, mm, now it could go that way. You just start to, like, look back hindsight as 20 20, obviously. I wear my glasses today.

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I love those glasses, by the way. Oh, my God.

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Thank you. They're the Winston frames of Warby Parker. Not even an ad.

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Very cute.

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Thank you. But you Just start to think I'm just like.

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It's sad.

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Hopefully it's amicable. They seem to really love being like a familial unit in a way. But there's modern families these days.

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I actually think getting married is out. Oh, okay.

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Great. I'm doing something right, guys. I. I do. I just.

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I don't think most people need to get married anymore. Yeah.

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Let's be honest. It's not really on my radar.

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It. It just doesn't seem like people really

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need to do it anymore. Like, I'll hold hands with you, but the certificate. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. But I'm sure we'll get more details as it comes out. When it came out this weekend, you texted me and I was like, I just don't want to believe it right now because I always just feel like it's sad when these rumors happen. And then when it's confirmed, it just like bums me out because you're got. You're under a spotlight now, and everyone's going to be watching your every move and then like, probably saying things that are untrue. And it's like, why is that where my moral ground is?

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I didn't want to give it air time or light to, like, repost it or anything same.

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Until it was like, official. Official. I need TMZ to tell me this can't be true.

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No, I know. It just. It did. This one really hurt my heart. I don't know why.

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It was like the page six notification came through. I was like, no, it was like sources of sources. And I was.

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That's.

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That probably has a real sores. And then the TMZ alert came through on do not disturb. And I thought, there it is. There it is. I am sad about it for them.

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Very, very sad. And then other sad news. So Gina Keough, she has a tongue cancer and her daughter started a gofundme. It's doing pretty well. Yesterday, I saw it when it first went up and only 15,000 by the end of the day. Yesterday, 38,000. I haven't checked it this, you guys.

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I did.

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I was so creepy. I was like, looking who donated.

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Well, tell us. That's journalistic. You're just doing research.

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Vicki, Tamara, Carmela. A thousand. She was one of the biggest donations. But there's also some anonymous.

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Andy Cohen donated like 3 or 5,000.

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Oh, I didn't see that one. Oh, so you went into. No,

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I just wanted to see.

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I don't know.

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You sent it to me and I said, what's this link? I'll click

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like, yeah, we're doing it for our job. Come on, come on.

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And also because you know you can put anonymous or your name, it's like obviously they're putting their name for goodwill.

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Of course they want us to see

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it so that we then talk about it.

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They also reposted it which is is very sweet.

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I wish her the best and I hope she kicks its ass and fuck cancer and sending love to Gina of course. Anything else or should we take a break and come back with Atlanta?

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[C]

to talk about it.

[B]

I want Phaedra and Cynthia to go in a room and say oh my God, can you even believe that happened? We didn't get anyone's reaction to it. And then now like Shamia and Portia are trying to pretend like it didn't really happen. I thought this was very inauthentic and not how it really go down. Even them being in the same room at the same time is actually psychotic. I need them to duke this out.

[C]

Fight.

[B]

What do you think?

[C]

Fight. Celebrity death match. I've talked about it.

[B]

Wait, but what do you think? I. I just, I feel like we got no one's reactions to it.

[C]

I think everyone was just like, we don't go there. I also think Shamia is living in Deluland.

[B]

But Courtney, we went there and then maybe they shouldn't have shown it. I feel like there's a disconnect here. Like, something's not. We're not getting a full story almost. We're not getting the fallout of this fight.

[C]

I. I think the problem is, is that Shamia brought it up and Portia's just ignoring Shamia this season. Like, that is her goal. She's not going to give Shamia light. What's done has been done. She fought back a little. Like, if you're gonna fight fire, I'm gonna fight fire. We're gonna have two nuclear bombs. As Lauren said. I'd love to discuss a little bit more about destiny swapping down the line, but to me, Portia's not gonna give it light. She's gonna ignore it. And Shamia doesn't know what to do with that. And everyone thinks Shamia's in the wrong because she started this. And so they're just like, why? Why would you do this? And I think the cast is getting so annoyed with Shamia that they don't even wanna deal with her because they're like, you went too far. And now you want us to feel bad for you? We can't. We cannot. But I'm also like, what the hell was cut out of this episode? We saw in a trailer. We were supposed to do a traitor's game. We're leaving Scotland. No Traders game. I just think we're missing it. We had a full day out in Scotland and then you're telling me half the group is doing absolutely nothing but staying in the castle for a full day from the beginning to end. I thought we were going to a real spa. We're going to a hot tub. Above ground hot tub.

[B]

And that they actually, I feel like, brought in just for these women to use. And they didn't even use it. And as well as the sauna.

[C]

Yeah, I was like, like, wait, I thought we were going to like a spa with, like, massages.

[B]

Right, right, right.

[C]

We, we didn't do any of that.

[B]

I needed Shamia to call her mom and say, mom, you don't even know what just happened. We're trying to pretend like they didn't open this can of worms, but we did. Yeah, Shamia, I needed to see Shamia call her mom. Be like, mom, this is really bad. Like, I told Portia, the thing that you told me, that Portia's mom hit on dad, she came back with something else.

[C]

Mom, did you sleep with Uncle Bob? Mom, there's a rumor that you slept with Uncle Bob. Is that true? Because Portia said that after I tried to say that she tried to sleep with dad. And now I'm worried they didn't acknowledge

[B]

what happened, basically from the fucking fall. I mean, this is insane. This is one of the craziest things that I think has happened in housewife history, and we're trying to pretend like it didn't happen.

[C]

Well, I mean, we got a full convo with Portia and Lauren about it, but, yeah, I think we needed to see. We needed to see remorse from Shamia. And I think when she brought it up at Phaedra's birthday dinner at the end of the episode, when Portia left the room, of course, trying to get people on her side, that it was like when they came back and said, oh, well, Shamia's talking about last night, and Portia's just like, oh, so is the food good? Everybody's having a good dinner. Like, she's ignoring it so badly. And I feel like there was two types of setups that they were like, yeah, so we were talking about last night, and Portia's just, like, putting the kibosh on it because she's like, I am not playing this game. And Shamia doesn't have enough goodwill with the group right now to be able to stand on her own to bring it up again and start something.

[B]

Yeah, it was just kind of disappointing and a lot of things left unsaid. And I. I really. I want to hear more of these reactions from the moms, honestly. Like, I wish Portia called her mom, too, because we brought the moms into this.

[C]

Okay, but. So Shamia was on Watch what Happens Live last night, and I actually thought that they would address it more on that too. And she basically just said, you know, wrong place to bring it up.

[B]

I saw that, and I was like, wait, this is just not giving what they gave us. You know, like, we said it. It's out there, so we really have

[C]

to talk about it.

[B]

And they're trying to avoid it, which is kind of frustrating.

[C]

I feel like this is going to be your dog with a bone. You're not going to be able to move past if it's not addressed at the reunion. Mary may boycott Atlanta next season.

[B]

Well, Shamil's gonna be gone.

[C]

I don't think she will be coming back. Okay, so this is a question that I had over all them. Shamia has really stuck her foot in it. And it sounds like a lot of them are just, like, getting annoyed with it because maybe, yeah, it's. We're not solving the problem. Maybe it's. She's making herself the victim. Maybe it's just, like, there's too much happening. Is there any way for her to come back from this? Not friendship with Portia? I think that's gone. But is there a way for her to still have a place on this show, coexist in a room with Portia and be able to still be a housewife? Or do you feel like it's done? Because there is something I'm really enjoying about this cast. And if she embraced the villain role, could she make a name for herself again?

[B]

I actually. I don't think so.

[C]

Really?

[B]

Bravo has realized, like, if two people are not going to talk and not be friends, it doesn't really work because it is an ensemble cast. And if we're not able to have conflict and resolution, then it's kind of boring. And then it becomes the sides. And, like, poor Kelly is on the. The boob island. Her boobs were so distracting this episode.

[C]

Wait, in her new confessional, look where she shows her crack.

[B]

Yes. And. And in the McDonald's uniform, I was so distracted by them.

[C]

We have to say, too, it's not McDonald's, it's McDowell's. People are pointing that out. And then they gave a close up on it. It's still a terrible outfit. I'm not sure what she was thinking.

[B]

Okay. I was so distracted by her foods this episode, but I kind of felt bad for Kelly, too, that she always has to leave with Shamia because that's the only person Shamia has.

[C]

And she said, I'll evict you if you don't come with me. Kelly unfortunately stuck to her because she's poor. Oh. And you know, Kelly is like, all I want to do is party. I have another terrible outfit to wear. Last week, I had made a comment like, they were supposed to bring their night clothes out, and we never even got them in their outfits. And then this episode, like, this is the longest day. Such a long day for them.

[B]

For real.

[C]

Like, I thought Dinner was going to

[B]

be at the end of it.

[C]

Then we're going to the club. We're going to Club Coco. This looks so fun.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. And K. Michelle, she was rallying the troops. She sang her own song.

[C]

She was leading club karaoke.

[B]

She's like, and next up, we got Drew. Drew, come to the delusional.

[C]

I thought this was fun. And then, of course, though, Shamia comes back because Kelly's like, please, please, like, I don't want to just be with you.

[B]

I be very curious who decided, let's go meet up with the girls. Because if. If I was Shamia, I would be at the airport right now. So I. I don't know why she thought it was a good idea to show up. I. I think it is actually, Delulu.

[C]

This is what I think happened. I think what happened was they were out. So when they left, they clearly had like a hotel room or two that they could go change in. And so Shamia and Kelly had gone back to one of those. And Kelly was like, I don't want to go yet. And production's like, we're not going to drive just one of you back to the castle. It's like an hour away. So the call sheet is like, you have to stay and be like, okay, we're going to put on these outfits. But the way that Shamia came back, I was like, this is why you are Delulu. Like, walking in the club, like, dancing, acting as if nothing but come with your tail between your legs and be like, you guys, I'm so sorry. I hope we can have fun. Go over to Portia and be like, we do not need to talk right now. It went too far. She needed to show some remorse, and she showed zero. And which is why the group was like, what the hell? You're just going to show up and act like nothing happened? You need to recognize that you just

[B]

ruined dinner, but not even ruined dinner. Like, you could have ruined your parents marriage.

[C]

Sure. We don't know where that stands right now. Where's Uncle Bob?

[B]

It just. It's. It was how she came in. Like, I'm just gonna have fun. Nothing happen. I'll get on the mic too. When K. Michelle's like, okay, let's get Shamia on the mic. And I've watched it happens live. She's like, teasing her new music. I'm like, no one's listening to your music, babe.

[C]

Portia even like, so I'm out. And then everyone else is like, us too. We're following Portia and could they have stayed, sure. But I think everyone's just like, this is, like, this is insane. And I think if we have a majority, production will let us take one car back. If there are three to four of us and not two, we can get back to the manor.

[B]

But do you think production told them to go in or. Kelly and Shamia had enough drinks at that hotel room. We're like, let's actually, like, let's go party now. Like, who. Who thought that was a good idea?

[C]

Kelly says, so I'm gonna go. You can come with me or you cannot. And it was like, well, you gotta go. And then production was like, just go. Because production's like, we want to see the conflict, right? We want to watch this.

[B]

Can you imagine? Like, me and you, we got into this crazy fight about our moms. Start it, and then we're just gonna, like. Meanwhile, me and Courtney's mom, like, talk on the phone about shoulder surgeries. My mom's always like, oh, my God, she outplaying pickleball. Like, good first for her. But it is. It's just, like, fucking psycho.

[C]

It is, because I think it just crossed a line at that point. And now look, Portia talks about it and she's like, you know, if while we're in Switzerland. Wait, where the hell are we? While we're in Scotland, could we have repaired our friendship? Yeah, there could have been a door open, but she really ruined that. And everyone's like, portia, don't lie. That's why Portia's also, like, not the perfect victim either in this regard, because it's like, Portia, you were never gonna let Shamia in. You'll have probably a good time with her in a way. But, like, you're saying that Shamia is using your daughter for clout. You don't want a friendship with Shamia. You have closed the door. And that. That's fine. You made that decision. But don't pretend that Shamia had ruined any goodwill and that there was a path forward. We know there wasn't.

[B]

I completely agree with that. Let's take a break and talk about her. Talking to Lauren on the phone. Our trip up the coast was perfection. With my Sapphire Preferred card, we earned three times the points on gas, online, grocery and dining.

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[C]

Toothless, not homeless.

[B]

Okay, can you tell me about Destiny Swap? I don't know about this.

[C]

Okay, yeah, so Kiki Monique posted about this on Threads. Thank God, she writes. Had to Google after Portia's convo with her sister on last night's episode. Destiny Swap is a spiritual or metaphysical concept where one person's life path, blessings, or star is believed to be covertly hijacked, stolen, or exchanged with another person. Within spiritual communities, this phenomenon generally implies that a jealous or envious individual uses malicious intentions, energy cords, or manipulation to drain your momentum and claim the opportunities meant for you. Those who believe in this concept suggest that the thief attempts to mirror or attach themselves to your life to soak up your fortune. To reverse a destiny swap, individuals often advocate for intense boundary setting, revoking access through prayer or meditation, and cutting spiritual ties with toxic influences. However, experts and psychologists often attribute the feelings behind These situations to spiritual bypass passing, where practical life struggles or feelings of being misunderstood are translated into a narrative of mystical manipulation. Some individuals also view it as an allegory for navigating toxic relationships, where pouring your energy into unsupportive people leaves you feeling temporarily drained and stagnant.

[B]

I mean, that does feel like the situation. I will say it really does.

[C]

It's a little intense. She's trying to steal Portia's destiny.

[B]

I think she was trying to get on the show and she wanted to be the same as Portia.

[C]

That feels like a tough saying now that I've heard the meaning of it. I do need to go back and read that because there was a lot in that, but it feels just like, yeah, maybe jealousy. Jealousy could. You could just like, boil it down to jealousy.

[B]

I think the gist is Portia said, I don't think you should come on the show. I don't think our friendship will sustain the show. And she recommended her not to do it. And of course she came and here we are. And she does. She feels like she's trying to steal her spotlight. And she warned her the whole time, don't try to take my place. And I don't think the show has been great for Shamia. I don't think it's been great for her marriage. I think it's created a lot of stress in her life and she didn't need the show.

[C]

I know that's like the sad part. And it feels very reminiscent of Marlo. Marlo was a friend of for so many years, that peach. And as soon as she got that peach, it turned. And I just don't know that it's going to be successful for Shamia. I worry about her marriage, I worry about her personal life. You can feel a sadness that's permeating from her.

[B]

It's just. It's really hard to watch because I loved Shamia so much, but I really don't think we will see her next year. Do you think we'll see her next year?

[C]

It depends on the reunion, but I'm weirdly open to it. Shamia's problem is she's not self aware. And I think there's a difference of being delusional and being self aware. So you can be delusional and still self. Aware. Like to me, sorry, you guys don't like this comparison, but Baby Gorgeous is the perfect level of delusional, but also self aware. Self aware on the joke a lot. But I think she speaks like very highly of herself and I think she Has a level of delusion that makes a perfect housewife. Shamia, though, is not self aware. And I think if Shimia actually showed some vulnerability, came tail between her legs, said to Portia, I am so sorry. Off camera. It doesn't even have to be on camera. It can be in the off season. I really messed up. Maybe I leaned into this conflict so hard because I thought it'd be good for the show and it's actually really personally ruining this friendship that we built for all of these years. And I never wanted us to turn into our moms and really did the work to place this friendship on a better level. I do feel like there could be space to move forward. I think if she could say, hey, things are going on in my marriage, I was just like worried about the surrogacy, all of these things that she could show a little bit more vulnerability for. I do think that she could be back on the show, right?

[B]

Yeah, I guess she, like you said, is just completely not self aware. And she doesn't even realize the fights that she has created between, like, Angela's daughter Pinky eating meat. Like, she doesn't think she has done any wrong and she just thinks the entire group is against her because they all are loyal to Portia and it's just been hard to stay by her side unless she's paying for your rent.

[C]

Wait, also on Watch what Happens Live, you guys, she talks about how the rum company didn't take off. I'm like, oh, my God, that was the season. I forgot about that being this season. That was in the beginning of this season. It's like, well, no, duh.

[B]

Did she talk anything about the Sarah Journey?

[C]

Not that I recall. We said we need like one of them to come on Watch what Happens Live. I feel like she didn't have a good reunion based on just Watch what Happens Live. But then I also thought too, okay, she is on Watch what Happens Live.

[B]

I. I was thinking about that too, but I feel like her Watch what Happens Live episode was also lackluster, which makes me think that the reunion is going to be lackluster because it wasn't like, just you guys wait. You're going to be surprised. Like, they weren't building it up. It feels like there's zero resolution.

[C]

Andy said he had a lot of fun at the reunion. Now, I know you can't always trust Andy. By the way, he hard launched his boyfriend on Instagram. Did you see that?

[B]

That's old news.

[C]

He hard launched. He posted.

[B]

I saw the.

[C]

The date.

[B]

Yeah, but he's talked about it on his radio show and how much he loves.

[C]

He said he put it on Instagram to be Instagram official. I know. He has a boyfriend.

[B]

I know. Like, on his radio show, he said, I love this man.

[C]

Well, that's adorable. Okay. Sorry for loving love.

[B]

I guess I wasn't shocked to see the photo.

[C]

Okay, I know we've seen the guy. I just thought it was cute that he posted it.

[B]

That's all it was. Dana. Sorry.

[C]

Sorry,

[B]

Courtney. I told you, marriage is out.

[C]

Well, he didn't post an engagement photo.

[B]

Mom is dead. Have you seen Angie and Sean?

[C]

Speaking of dead. Great segue. Let's go to the graveyard. You like that one? I do. I will say, when they were told they were going to the graveyard, in the car, the music changes, and then the women should be a good goes driver. Turn it around. Turn it around. And it made me laugh so hard. Shamia, you killed Muppets for your jacket, and then you gave the leftover scraps to Kelly for her boots.

[B]

These outfits, the outfits were terrible, even. I'm sorry. Phaedra's wig was awful. Like, when she came in to talk to Porsche, I was like, was that from Dallas? And it just, it didn't look good.

[C]

It gave me the something about Mary, you know?

[B]

Oh, I see. You know, I saw that movie in the movie theater with my mom in seventh grade, and I didn't know what the hair gel was. I, I. Everyone, the entire theater is cracking up, and I'm like, I have no idea why everyone laughed.

[C]

Just because you didn't want to be left out. So you're like, oh, my God, that's so funny.

[B]

I just laughed. Yeah, but I didn't understand. Yo, no comprendo. But this was weird.

[C]

Okay? It felt just very like, okay, we have to do something now. Would you have rather stayed at the manor? Would you rather gone and done this? I'd have rather gone and done this. I want to do an activity. I'm flown to Scotland. You're telling me I have to stay at the house all day? Like, no, I'm only here for a few days. And let's be real, I'm probably not coming back.

[B]

Right? I like Bobby the dog. That was kind of an interesting story.

[C]

I like this man and that the. Him. Him and Phaedra. There's something going on there. Phaedra loves herself an older white man. They really gave her the jewelry at the Dallas thing, too. She was like, are you single?

[B]

That's right.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

Okay, wait. When Shamia asks her on the car ride back, like, so how are you in Apollo? How do you guys co parent and what's going on with your dating? She's like, well, I've really only dated two people pool. And Cynthia's like, bullshit.

[C]

It was a so good. I know those wigs, that means there's been a man in between your legs. But wait, did you feel like when Shamia asked that she was asking about it in case it happened to her?

[B]

Oh, well, that was dark.

[C]

I shouldn't have gone there. I shouldn't have gone there. But I did think, huh.

[B]

I predict that Shamia will have a statement come out rather soon that said, I'm walking away from the show. I'm focusing on my marriage and expanding my family. I. I can just see it written out right now. And it's going to be used with ChatGPT. Well, of course.

[C]

So there's this rumor that someone at the reunion is pregnant and it's not from Cynthia's couch. And it's either come down to either it's Pinky or it's Shamia.

[B]

Oh, not K. Michelle.

[C]

People are leaning towards Pinky. Could be K. Michelle too, actually. But it's somebody from that couch.

[B]

Oh, I was really hoping it was going to be K. Michelle.

[C]

I guess we'll have to watch what happens. I was wondering, oh, maybe Shamia's surrogacy was going through.

[B]

I was thinking K. Michelle probably got a surrogate.

[C]

Oh, wait. But also though, you guys, K. Michelle has also turned on Shamia. Did you see that?

[B]

Oh, tell me more.

[C]

It was on Twitter and Gibson had posted it.

[B]

I was feeling for K. Michelle when she was opening up at the table. She's like, I almost died from those surgeries. I've had 13 surgeries. Had to look at my mom and say, like, I might not make it. And my son had to see that. I mean, she is really interesting. I kind of like her again. But you, you can tell she, she's holding back and, and she's really weary. She hasn't completely leaned in, but her confessionals are amazing. And if she does lean in, I do think she will get a season two. I think we're gonna fall deep in love with her.

[C]

Yeah. So she tweeted, said, fuck all y'.

[B]

All.

[C]

All these ridiculous think pieces. Her mama shouldn't have been in no club talking about nobody and trying to form her daughter an alliance in a hookah lounge passing past midnight. I don't care if her tits was over her shoulders. I didn't do It. Or say a word. It was brought to me and four random Africans at a table. I be minding my business. Which is crazy because she was going after Portia. But it seems that the tables have turned and now she's after Shamia.

[B]

Okay, that's. That's fascinating. I. I will say I absolutely adored Portia at Phaedra's birthday dinner. Also, they were dressed fantastic, so they all have, like, the beautiful sa. Ashes. But I think this was, like, the best dress of this trip for all of them. Yeah, that's not saying much.

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Yeah.

[B]

But Portia being like, oh, my gosh. My best friend Phaedra, she was like, she wasn't even at her wedding.

[C]

You know, to be fair, Portia didn't go to Shamia's wedding.

[B]

Well, she had four. Right. Or three or something.

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She only went to the one. I believe in the States, she didn't chop because she was complaining about compression socks or something. But first class. But Simon. Yeah, the story changed.

[B]

Right, Right, right, right. So Portia's trying to make it seem like, oh, my God, my. My best friend through thick and thin. And I have a proclamation for you. You have the Highland title of lady of the Glen. Who's Glenn Coco? You Gold Glen Coco.

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Well, they did go to Club Coco, so maybe it's like when Sheena bought Adam a penguin.

[B]

Yes, yes, yes.

[C]

Spot the penguin. So I think it's just in title only. But the thing is, I do think that they have a friendship when they're trying to downplay Portia's trying to rewrite history. Like, Shamia's never been there. I'm like, they were frickin frack. They literally conspired against Candy when they were, like, talking about, like, we've been through so much. I'm like, yeah. When Phaedra made up lies about Candy wanting to drug Portia. Like, yeah, you guys have been through a lot. I don't know if I'm going to talk about those memories, but I'm like, they have been friends on this. Do I think that they hang out behind closed doors? I don't know. But at the same time, I do think that they have a good friendship. I thought Cynthia and Phaedra had a really nice moment, too, and nobody's giving Cynthia about that.

[B]

I think we do need to get back to and why Rhode island is so good. They talk off camera. They're friends off camera. Camera.

[C]

You're gonna compare one season of Rhode island to Atlanta in their 17th season.

[B]

We need to get back, though, to people Hanging out and being genuine friends and not just filming for a show.

[C]

But I think that they are friends. I do think that Portia and Phaedra and Cynthia are friends. I do think that Shamia and Kelly are friends. I think obviously, Portia and Shamia were friends. Like, there are friendships on this show. I don't believe that. Like, they're always hanging out. They're in different phases of their life too.

[B]

Yeah. I don't think that Portia and Phaedra see each other without cameras.

[C]

I actually don't think that either of them have that many friends. I think Portia hangs out with her sister a lot, with Sway a lot. I don't think she has a ton and ton of friends. I think Phaedra is the same. She hangs out with her kids. Cynthia, you said she lives primarily in la. Like, she has friends here. I think, though, the longevity of them being on this show has made them friends, whether it's co worker friends or not. Rhode island worked because, yes, there's like, this inner circle that's very reminiscent of Jersey, but also Jersey got really, really dark.

[B]

Right. Right. I just. I think overall, Housewives, we need to make sure they're hanging out off camera.

[C]

Okay. We'll tell that to the Beverly Hills cast.

[B]

I agree with that.

[C]

I agree with that. Also, shout out. Because Kyle posted today that she's four years sober, and this post that she made was just after I read. I was like, I'm so proud of her.

[B]

It felt like it was directed towards Dorit. Oh.

[C]

Oh, you think so?

[B]

The post was like, when you give up drinking, your friends will question you and they'll think you're not fun anymore. And I was like, I feel like she's directing this entire conversation towards Dorit.

[C]

Oh, I didn't take it. I think she was just saying, like, what a difference it is because your. Your friends have to get used to these things. And I. I just really like the post. And for all the, like, like, anger we have towards housewives sometimes, like, you read something like that and you're, like,

[B]

reminded that they're real people and she's going to be a grandma. We still haven't got confirmation about Farah's baby daddy.

[C]

Also, Kim's daughter's pregnant too. They posted together, which is really cute.

[B]

Super cute.

[C]

Yeah. I was proud of Kyle when I read that. And then there was something about seeing Liked by Carl Radke that really warmed my heart, and I thought, I hope Carl gets Kyle on his podcast also.

[B]

That would be an interesting one. Sure.

[C]

I Like in my feels this morning. The World Cup's got crazy.

[B]

I like that, that, you know, let's keep it light on a Monday. I will say Atlanta next week looks pretty good. They are in full Halloween costumes arguing, which we love that.

[C]

Is it Halloween? I was trying to figure out what's the theme. I hope it's Halloween because I will say Shamia obviously got hers done professionally to be Avatar, which really brought out Sierra and Summer House when she did her own makeup to be Avatar and I was like this, this is insane. The level of detail. I love it. I feel like they all went all out and I always just think of like that party when Nene came as I believe it was an exterminator and Greg came as the cockroach.

[B]

Yes, yes.

[C]

And we need Nene back next season. Friends with them or not? Mary.

[B]

Ooh, that will be interesting because ultimate girls trip is around the corner coming up in August. This so lots forward to.

[C]

Yeah, this was a filler episode for me. I know it bums you out that we avoided it. I'm wondering what Angela is going to be vindicated on. Because on watch what happens live, Shamia is saying she's vindicated and I'm like, who's vindicated besides Dashboard Confessional?

[B]

Sing it.

[C]

Vindicated. I. No, I won't do that to you guys.

[B]

It's Monday.

[C]

You've got four more days of us.

[B]

Okay, on that note, I think we can go and we will be back tomorrow. Thanks everyone for listening. See you soon. Bye.

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