TJG: RHOA S17 E2!

Summary

Two Judgey Girls: TJG — RHOA S17 E2!
Podcast Summary | April 14, 2026
Hosts: Courtney (LA) & Mary (Bay Area)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Two Judgey Girls dives into the hosts’ signature reality TV recaps and gossip, focusing on the latest episode of The Real Housewives of Atlanta (RHOA, Season 17, Episode 2). Courtney dishes on her Coachella adventures—packed with Bravo-lebrity run-ins and influencer drama—while the duo deep-dives into RHOA’s cast shakeups, ongoing drama, and the real-life legal/money troubles facing several Housewives. As always, they layer in social-media tea, pop culture overlaps, and sharp, playful asides.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Courtney’s Coachella Weekend: Bravo Meets the Desert

• Courtney’s Ground Rules ([03:59])
  • “What happens in the desert, especially at nighttime, is not my business.” (Courtney)
• Celeb Sightings
  • Saw North West in the artist section with security (and blue wig!) ([05:04]).
  • North was called out by Young Thug during a set: “Where are your parents, North?” ([05:24])
  • “She’s literally 12, you guys. She has dermal piercings in her thighs & hands. It’s just a lot for a 12-year-old.” ([05:28], Courtney)
• Bravo-lebrities and Influencers ([06:40]–[08:55])
  • Ran into Jesse Solomon (Summer House) twice: “He was having a good time and everyone was vibing.” (Courtney, [06:41])
  • Met Joe Bradley & Maddie (Southern Hospitality): “Could not have been nicer… Joe: ‘I think outside of this Bravo-verse, we’d all be friends.’ …He was much older, but thank you, Joe.” (Courtney, [07:22])
  • Quick hi to Ariana Madix and Rachel Lindsay.
  • “Sheena’s always lurking at Coachella… Would you have said hi?” “I’d have skipped that one.” ([08:58])
• Influencer ‘House’ Culture & Brand Infiltration ([10:05]–[11:12])
  • “Coachella felt so brand heavy… People were in ‘the Starbucks house’ or ‘the Poppy house’—We paid for everything!” (Mary, Courtney)
  • “The other half lives so different.” ([10:47], Courtney)
• TikTok & Social Media Drama ([11:13]–[12:35])
  • “Alex Earl is right here!” / “Do they all know each other or… ‘Oh my God, you’re a TikTok star, I’m a TikTok star’?” (Courtney)
  • Monday: Alex Cooper calls out Alex Earl online, day after her big Coachella stint.
  • “Imagine being Alex Earl—three wild nights, exhausted, and you wake up to your phone blowing up with this drama.” (Courtney, [12:15])
  • Bethenny Frankel chimes in: “At the end of the day, it’s business. They’re not friends.” (Bethenny via Mary, [12:35])
• Justin Bieber’s Polarizing Set ([13:05]–[14:03])
  • “So much discourse... He said he was playing Swag... He was having a blast; I was having a blast.” (Courtney, [13:13])
  • “Bieber is paying homage to his younger self... I’m just such a Bieber fan now.” (Courtney, [14:03])
• Takeaway: “I have the Coachella blues… think I am retiring this year. Unless a brand wants to take me for free!” (Courtney, [14:46])

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2. Pop Culture & Bravo News Roundup

• Drew Sidora Legal/Custody Update ([15:53]–[18:50])
  • “Drew lost custody—she has to move out of the marital home by May 31. Judge ordered her to vacate… It breaks my heart.” (Mary, [15:53])
  • “Ralph is a big piece of shit… You want to punish your ex but are punishing your kids.” (Courtney, [16:46])
  • “I feel like Drew has bad representation. She's hustling and all the money goes to legal fees.” (Mary, [18:29])
• Kim Richards & Kyle Richards: Family, Addiction & Real Estate ([18:51]–[20:51])
  • Kim was evicted from Kyle’s condo—“It feels like Kyle was trying to help Kim, maybe to get her into a facility…” (Mary, [19:51])
  • “The Richard sisters make me so sad… I don’t even want to post about it.” (Mary, [20:05])
  • Should this be Kyle’s storyline? “I don't need to see the demise of Kim on TV. That feels too real.” (Courtney, [20:17])
• Miami Drama: Jody’s Arrest & Lisa Hochstein ([20:54]–[22:43])
  • Jody (Lisa’s ex) facing charges for intercepting communication (2023 charge resurfaces). “Could this bring Jody and Lisa back together? Bonnie and Clyde, second best.” (Courtney, [21:58])
  • “If Lisa gets arrested, she’s going to serve a great mug shot—serving time and serving looks.” (Courtney, [22:47])

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3. RHOA S17 E2 Deep Dive

Tagline Reactions ([28:53]–[33:37])

• Most Discussed Taglines:
  • Portia: “I’ve lived many lives, and all of them have been fabulous.” ([30:16], Mary)
  • Drew: “If you cast me in your drama, I’ll only accept leading roles.” (Mary)
  • Shamia: “I’ve been loyal to a fault, and now I’m ready to have my own back.” (Mary)
    “You can’t be queen bee if you’re talking about someone else.” (Courtney)
  • Kelly: “I’m short, seasoned, and always a full course meal.”
    • “Doesn’t fully make sense to me… She has a restaurant, guys.” ([30:54], Courtney)
  • Pinky: “While they’re busy beefing, I stay vegan.”
    “We thought it might be referencing her man’s meat!” (Courtney, [33:15])
  • K. Michelle: “I don’t need any background singers. It’s always my show.”
    “I agree. I like K. Michelle so much!” (Courtney, [33:37])
• Cynthia vs. Phaedra as narrator: “Honestly, I want Phaedra.” (Mary, [33:11]), “I’d like Cynthia.” (Courtney)

K. Michelle’s Honest Storyline & Health Scare ([33:37]–[36:47])

• “She starts telling this story… she got illegal silicone injections in her butt… and that’s what’s leaking.” (Courtney, [34:55])
• “She’s so excited to have a baby girl… The way she talks about scrubs—‘You just can see their junk, you’re basically laying on it!’” (Mary, [36:18])
• “The realness, the rawness, the honesty—if you’re just revealing this, episode two… star.” (Courtney, [35:19])

Pinky’s Business Drama & Marriage Tension ([38:05]–[40:42])

• Pinky lost $20 million from mismanaging her business: “She lost her business for 43 days—she’s trying to bring it back…” (Mary, [38:47])
• Married to Derek ("Big Dave's Cheesesteaks" owner): “Her marriage could be on the rocks. She seems a little resentful toward him…” (Mary, [40:30])
• “Is it just her that’s vegan or the kids too? So many questions about Pinky and Derek.” (Courtney)

Cast Feuds & Alliance Shuffles ([40:46]–[48:23])

• Shamia’s Beef with Drew: “She wants to get something going… Angela was not buying it.” (Courtney, [41:11])
• Tea Party Showdown: Portia vs. Kelly
  • “Portia’s like, ‘So, Kelly, you’ve never slept with a married man?’” (Mary, [41:54])
  • “It feels made up but also feels like Portia can’t give full details or she’ll lose her source. Do you think Kelly slept with a married man? I kind of do.” ([44:18], Mary)
  • Memorable moment: Portia hugs Kelly (“motorboats her”), and Kelly: “Have you seen Portia’s ass? She would’ve kicked mine.” (Courtney, [45:12])
• Movie Premiere & Relationship Storylines
  • “Portia’s like, ‘Yeah, everyone knows I also like girls. What’s the big deal?’ Kyle, take notes.” ([46:11], Courtney)
  • Shamia and Drew decide to move forward: “It feels like everyone is trying to make amends.” (Mary, [59:57])
• Shifting Alliances & Queen Bee Race
  • “Angela and Phaedra have decided to move forward… alliances are changing.” (Mary, [47:13])
  • “I think Shamia might be overplaying her hand and now having to backtrack.” (Courtney, [61:00])

Kelly’s Restaurant Grand Opening (and Fallout)

• Kelly struggles to open her restaurant amidst financial woes ([52:43]–[54:54])
  • Health inspector visits twice—“is her ex-husband messing with her?” (Mary, [53:11])
  • The restaurant opened after 13 months but closed soon after in Dec 2025.
  • “She even said, ‘I didn’t even want to come today.’ Don’t tell people that!” (Mary, [55:30])
  • Portia sends flowers (“Get these flowers out of here… They’re broken flowers from a broken person.” [56:01], Courtney)
• Not enough vegan options for Pinky; Cynthia grabs food first—classic! ([56:48])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Courtney on Coachella culture:
  “What happens in the desert, especially at nighttime, is not my business.” ([03:59])

• Mary on influencer drama:
  “It just felt really overwhelming. There was so much branding!” ([10:21])

• Courtney on Bravo-lebrity run-ins:
  “Joe Bradley was so sweet — outside this Bravo-verse, we’d be friends. Well, you’re much older and probably not, but thank you, Joe.” ([07:25])

• Mary on RHOA season:
  “K. Michelle honestly doesn't need the girls. She could carry this show herself.” ([29:25])

• On business & money woes:
  “I think she has bad representation… all goes to legal fees a la Kelly.” ([18:29])

• On Kelly’s restaurant:
  “This speech, I almost felt sad. Stop saying the depressed part. There’s a dark cloud over the restaurant.” ([55:01], Courtney)

• Classic one-liner:
  “She’s serving time and serving looks.” (Courtney, re: Lisa Hochstein’s potential mugshot, [22:47])

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Key Timestamps

• 03:39–15:14 | Coachella recap, celebrity & Bravo-lebrity sightings, influencer culture
• 15:53–22:43 | Bravo/Housewives news: Drew’s custody battle, Kim/Kyle Richards rift, Miami’s Lisa/Jody drama
• 28:53–33:37 | RHOA: Taglines and cast first impressions
• 33:37–40:42 | K. Michelle’s storylines, Pinky’s financial/marriage issues
• 40:46–48:23 | Cast feuds: Portia vs. Kelly, alliances shift, hugs & drama
• 52:43–58:25 | Kelly’s restaurant grand opening: business woes, cast support/dissent
• 59:45–62:56 | Alliance updates, group divides, and end-of-episode power rankings

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Tone & Final Thoughts

The episode blends sharp pop culture insight, Bravo-fan inside jokes, relatable reality TV analysis, and genuine concern for women dealing with real-life hardships in the public eye. They balance playful roasting with compassion, especially around topics like legal battles, divorce, and mental health.

Most Important Takeaway:
RHOA Season 17 is off to a “firing on all cylinders” start, with new cast dynamics, messy alliances, financial woes, and enough shade to keep the Two Judgey Girls—and their listeners—hooked.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Courtney]

it's Courtney from la. And it is Tuesday.

[Mary]

I was about to say Happy Monday, but it's Tuesday. Courtney has been in the desert. She is back from Coachella. I cannot wait to hear. I know a little nibbles, but I want to hear every dirty, dusty detail.

[Courtney]

Well, I have a Coachella rule, so I'm gonna preface with that. What happens in the desert, especially at nighttime, is not my business. You don't want people taking random photos of you and you don't know you're being taken photos of and all that stuff.

[Mary]

I'm sorry. Every single person that goes to Coachella that's a celebrity wants to be seen.

[Courtney]

Not. Not when they're watching a show. Mary, I promise you that when they are waiting for a concert to start or a show's about to start, nobody wants a single photo of them taken. You want to just enjoy.

[Mary]

My favorite was Kim Kardashian with Lewis Hamilton. And they're in masks and she's literally wearing like a bathing suit so low you can practically see her nipples. And she's like, oh, but I'm gonna cover my face. I'm like, cover your body then.

[Courtney]

No, you cover your face because of the dust. Mary, it's not that you're trying to be incognito. It gets so dusty. There you Literally have to wear masks and bandanas over, because you do not. Every night you will come home with dirt in your nose.

[Mary]

No, I know. I've been.

[Courtney]

I know, but I'm just saying, like, I don't think she's trying to hide. Northwest was there.

[Mary]

I saw her.

[Courtney]

I saw Northwest. We were waiting for my friend in the bathroom. We were in the artist section. And I turned around. She's got, you know, this, like, big blue wig going on, and she has a friend who's also in, like, a purple wig and maybe security. And so at one of the shows, I believe was Young Thug. North was in the artist section, and young thug points her out and is like, where are your parents, North?

[Mary]

Oh, my gosh.

[Courtney]

She's literally 12, you guys. She has dermal piercings in her thighs. She has them all over her hands. It's just a lot for a 12 year old.

[Mary]

Yeah, I mean, she's advanced.

[Courtney]

Okay, so I'll tell you the bravo labs that I saw. So you said you thought I was gonna see Jesse Solomon? I saw him twice.

[Mary]

I knew it.

[Courtney]

Saw him twice. Yes. John Summit did a surprise do lab set. And so we had gone to, like, the backstage area of it, and then we wanted to go back out. And as we were leaving, my friend saw him because I. It was so dark there. He was like, oh, hey, Jesse. And he just reached over, was like, hi, how are you? And we, like, grabbed hands for a second. I said, great, have fun. We walked away. Do I think he knew who I was? No, I think he was just being polite. It was very dark. You couldn't see. And then Sunday night, it was Cascade was closing the Sahara tent, and I was wearing a lover boy hat that day. And I turn, I'm like, oh, hey, Jesse. And he's like, hi, have fun. He's like, oh, I love your hat. And I was like, thanks, you too. And do I think he was dating someone perhaps?

[Mary]

Oh, is it the Maggie girl?

[Courtney]

I was wondering if it was the Maggie girl. Did not look like her. She's blonder.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Courtney]

Anyways, he was having a good time, and he was vibing, and everybody was vibing. So good for him.

[Mary]

And he went with Mia, and they both went with tarte. And then Mia met up with Rihanna.

[Courtney]

I saw that. So I think Mia only went for like, a day or two.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Courtney]

Yeah. And then she went to a friend's birthday. Imagine being like, okay, Rihanna unfollows me, Amanda. And then one of my castmates is now at a party with her. Meaning, you know, There was a conversation.

[Mary]

Had I. You guys, we're gonna update you on the west side Story with Summer House. I just. I feel like I finally had some time to reflect.

[Courtney]

Okay.

[Mary]

I have a lot of, like, new opinions, and. And I can't wait to update on that.

[Courtney]

Oh, I. I want you to. Me, too. Because I was trying to keep up with the service. Was, like, terrible at Coachella, too. I was trying to text you updates and everything, and then I would see, like, 1 out of 10 of the texts would go through. It just was, like, terrible. I also ran into Joe Bradley and Maddie from Southern Hospitality. They could not have been nicer. Joe was so sweet. He was like, oh, my God, Like, I want you guys to come to Charleston and hang out. He was like, I think, like, outside of, like, this Bravo verse, like, we would all be friends. And I was like, that's so cute. Like, and I didn't say, but it's like, well, you're much older and probably not, but thank you, Joe.

[Mary]

You know what? I don't think Joe Bradley sees age.

[Courtney]

Yeah, you're right. You're right. And then he was like, oh, my God, Maddie, it's Courtney from Two Judgy Girls. And they were just so cute and so nice.

[Mary]

Also, I mean, it's only, like, a decade apart. It's not that big of a deal.

[Courtney]

Sure. I know you love an older friend. Now you are the older friend. And then I had seen Ariana bopping around, and then I ended up actually running into her at Foster. The people said hi, and I was like, okay, like, bye. Have a great time. Because, again, you don't want to, like, bother people that are there just to go watch the music, you know? So I didn't take any photos, Al. My phone was inaccessible because there's no service. Whatever. They couldn't have been lovelier. She looked fantastic. Ran into Rachel Lindsay, who we got on her podcast, and that was great. And then my friend had run into James and Sheena. Okay, not together.

[Mary]

James Kennedy.

[Courtney]

Yes. Because Ali Luber was with Maddie and Joe.

[Mary]

Okay. Wow. God, what a small world.

[Courtney]

They're all there. And then, you know, Sheena's always lurking at Coachella. My friends are like, would you have said hi to Sheena's? Like, I think I would have skipped that one.

[Mary]

I think that's safe.

[Courtney]

I saw Alandria from Love island, and there was all this kind of drama because both her and Nick of Nickelandria were both at Coachella, but they had not been seen together, and they were sent by different Brands. And then people were questioning, like, obviously this relationship is fake. That's the whole thing is that's a PR relationship. She looks so good. Her body is insane. Winnie Harlow came up to her. They were fangirling all over each other. Which just also makes me laugh when I see celebs or reality stars fan girl over each other too, you know, because I'm like, we're the normal people.

[Mary]

Right, Right.

[Courtney]

You know, and then on Sunday, I went into them going to a different tent and then Nick and Alandria were together.

[Mary]

Oh, so you. Do you think it's real?

[Courtney]

I am of the ilk that it is not real and that they are doing it because they're better together. But I do think that they course corrected once they were getting called out by people.

[Mary]

There also seemed like a lot of discourse with creators and people, like, what houses they were in. Like, and. And also it just seems so brand heavy. I mean, from me watching on my phone. Yeah, of course.

[Courtney]

It.

[Mary]

It just felt really o. I'm overwhelming. Like, there was so much branding.

[Courtney]

We were like laughing. People were being like, oh, you're in like the Starbucks house. Or like the Poppy house. And we're like, what house could we be in? We're like, we paid for literally everything. Shout out to Liquid IV though, who did send me Liquid IV for the trip. And their popsicle flavor is delicious.

[Mary]

Oh, it is really good.

[Courtney]

Yeah, it's really good. But yeah, we were like laughing like all these different houses and like, where people were going and like they could get rides to the festival. And I was like, God, the other half lives so different. And then on Friday night, it was like really funny because we were sitting there waiting for our group to meet up in the section so that like in the artist section so that we could all walk out together. And then it was like influencer land.

[Mary]

Oh, I see.

[Courtney]

That's when I was texting. I was like, oh, Alex Earl is right here. Oh, Madeline Klein is dating Henry. Henry. Henry. I'm like, how do I know all of these 20 something kids? Like, Shane was there, Terrence from Terence O', Connor, like, who used to date Benny Drama. And he's like, to with early and Lord and Heim. Like, all these people were all there and I was laughing like, do they actually know each other or do they find themselves? And they're like, oh my God, you're a tick tock star. I'm a tick tock star. We know of each other and now we're all friends.

[Mary]

I think it's like that, yeah.

[Courtney]

Sunday night we were at Subtronics and Alex Earl was right in front of us and they were having like the best time, but we were crowding up because, like, clearly she was having the time of her life. As you should when you were there. And then Monday morning at like 8:30am, this Alex Cooper video drops where she's like calling out alex, really? Just say it. Just whatever the beef is, there's no NDA you keep passive aggressively liking and reposting. Just say it. And my friend and I were just giggling. Like, imagine being her. Alex Earl, you've just had your third wild night at Coachella.

[Mary]

Yep.

[Courtney]

You're probably at 8:30am still sleeping at this point. Just trying to get a little bit of extra rest. And then you wake up and your phone has to be blowing up.

[Mary]

I mean, she had posted like on Get Ready with me video from 6am the previous day.

[Courtney]

Oh, okay. I didn't know if that was Saturday or like Sunday morning or if that was the Monday morning. Okay.

[Mary]

I'm not even sure. But it's just like, I imagine she had a blast for three, maybe four days and is exhausted. And then the anxiety in you, the hangxiety. And then of course, like, Bethany Frankel has to chime in about it. Like, I know both the girls. I'm like, bethany, stop. You're so annoying. Bethany said, at the end of the day, it's a business relationship. And, you know, they parted ways. Business. They're not friends. And it's like, that's probably really the case.

[Courtney]

And you guys, there's so much discourse on Justin Bieber. I had the best time.

[Mary]

So it's so funny because, like, my TikTok was like praising him.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Like, you were like, oh, my God. It seems like everyone really loved it. I'm like, what? He literally said he was going to be playing Swag, which I'm not crazy about Swag one and two. And then he said, and I'll try to interject some of my older stuff. He was having a blast up there. I was having a blast. We were dancing, we were enjoying. We got home, we're like, let's play swag one and swag two.

[Mary]

How long was his set?

[Courtney]

Like 90 minutes. Okay.

[Mary]

I liked the fireworks at the end.

[Courtney]

Yeah. With Daisy, like, it was just was like so fun. And I thought he was having a good time. He was a YouTube kid. Like Usher found him on YouTube. And so then when he did that 20 minute spot in the performance where he was going back and doing his old songs, for, like, a minute or so, I just thought, oh, YouTube's like a big sponsor of Coachella, so I'm sure they love that. But, like, he's almost paying homage to his younger self, and he's gone through so much, and I'm just such a Bieber fan now.

[Mary]

It was symbolic.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I thought it was fun. I also think, too, is there's a lot of discourse to be had when you're not there and you're watching something on your couch versus being with the crowd and, like, being in there. And, you know, I love Sabrina set too. Even though she brought out Susan stranded for, like, seven minutes, the crowd ourselves, we could not hear what Susan was saying. I think that played more towards Coachella from people watching from their couch. She still did amazing. Like, I thought everyone was so much fun, and I just had such a blast dancing. And I will also say, you guys, I love Sombra. He was one of my favorite sets of the weekend. Disclosure. So much fun. It just live music is so fun, and especially when, like, the crowd is into it. You just have such a good time.

[Mary]

Totally.

[Courtney]

I have the Coachella blues because I do think I am retiring this year. That.

[Mary]

That was enough for you?

[Courtney]

I think that was the way to go out was to, like, go all out, get the artist pass, see who I wanted to see, do it all. I will sell out for a brand, though, if they want to take me for free. Cause I see how the other half lives when they're playing that card. And I was like, I would do that.

[Mary]

You could also just take a break for a couple years and come back if there's, like, someone you really want to see. You know, I could.

[Courtney]

You know, the sky is the limit. I shouldn't close the doors on anything. As Justin Bieber once said, never say never.

[Mary]

Wonderful, Wonderful.

[Courtney]

How was your weekend?

[Mary]

Oh, I really enjoyed you being at Coachella as well.

[Courtney]

Because.

[Mary]

Because I didn't have to, like, work on Friday and Monday. I feel like I got my stuff Sunday back. It was just relaxing, I would say. And I watched a lot of TV that I want to talk about on the Patreon, so. And two good shows for you to watch.

[Courtney]

Tell me what else happened this weekend. Non summer house related. Yes.

[Mary]

Okay. So lots happened. So this one makes me very sad. Drew lost custody, so apparently she has to move out of their house by May 31, which is actually crazy to me. A judge ordered the reality star to vacate her and Pitman's marital home. She also temporarily lost primary custody of the couple's shared children. It just, like, broke my heart because I feel like she is the one hustling and making the money, and he is trying to take her money in fame, and then he's creating this, like, legal battle that she's, like, wasting all her money on legal fees. It's just, like, really sad and disheartening, and I am Team Drew on this. Of course I want her children to be going to school. I don't really know what's the case on that.

[Courtney]

He lives in the same house, Mary. How come he can't take them to school? He lives in the same. He's in the lower level. I just feel like Ralph wants to punish her so badly, and he will do whatever he can. And it also bums me out, too, because I feel like I read that it's also her older son that has to leave with her, too, where it's like, okay, so you were potentially going to adopt him at one point, and then this is why it feels like such a punishment. I feel like Ralph is a big piece of shit.

[Mary]

Mm. Yeah.

[Courtney]

Exclamation point.

[Mary]

I wonder if he'll be featured on Atlanta at all this season. And maybe. Maybe this is, like, the discourse of that, because he's, like, not making money from the show. I don't know.

[Courtney]

He has a job.

[Mary]

He feels so cruel because at the end of the day, like, them wasting money on this divorce battle, it affects your family, your kids. Like, it affects everything.

[Courtney]

You want to punish your ex partner, but what you're doing is actually punishing your kids, and that's terrible, and I feel terrible for them. I'm sure Drew's doing everything to probably protect them from knowing what's going on, but at the same time, it's like, I'd also love to see who bought that house, Ralph. I'd love to see who bought that, because somehow I think it was with Drew's money, and I think it's sick that you feel that you need to live on the upper level. You deserve nothing more than a lower level, you little.

[Mary]

Well, and she has to move out.

[Courtney]

No, that's what I'm saying. He wants to move to the upper level. Right?

[Mary]

Right.

[Courtney]

I hate him.

[Mary]

Yeah, it's. It's bad. It's bad.

[Courtney]

But also, we do need those kids in school. So, Ralph, why don't use the primary parent and take them to school? Because you could have done that every other day, too.

[Mary]

Yeah. So now he can freely move about the home and help him get ready for school.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I just. I Feel like Drew has bad representation.

[Mary]

I know. I feel like she's just been, like, misguided. And it's just sad because I think she is hustling. She's doing Atlanta, she's doing movies. She tried to do the singing thing. She is trying to get out there as much as she can to make money. And then it just, like, all goes to the legal fees a la Kelly.

[Courtney]

Right.

[Mary]

Okay. Other news. Apparently Kim Richards was living in a condo that Kyle owned. And then, like, Kyle tried to evict her. And this. This feels like it was old news, but it, like, resurfaced recently. I feel like in the beginning of November of 2024, if Kim didn't move out, she would have to pay $140 per day. Kim apparently never responded to the suit. So a default judgment was entered in March 2025, requiring Kim to surrender the possession of the property. Court docs in June 2025 show the LA County Sheriff's Office tried to serve Kim with the judgment, but she apparently already move home. So Kyle was able to take possession of it. This. The Richard sisters make me so sad because I feel like probably Kyle was doing this to help Kim in some way. Maybe this was to get her moved into a facility or. There's a lot of mental health and addiction coming on here. It's strange that it resurfaced recently. It was just popping up all weekend kind of thing.

[Courtney]

Yeah. I was trying to figure out, was this one. When did she move to Florida? I'm not sure.

[Mary]

This also just made me feel yucky. Like, I didn't want to post about

[Courtney]

it because, like, we shouldn't know these things. I.

[Mary]

This is too much for me to be honest. Kim has some serious issues, and I don't know.

[Courtney]

This doesn't feel like, exploitative.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Rachel Fisher]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

And people. I saw a lot of people saying too, like, why isn't this Kyle's storyline? It's like. I mean, based on the title, I don't think I want to watch that. Like, after we watched Stealing her goddamn house, watching a lot of the demise of Kim, getting back into active addiction. I don't know that I need to see that on my tv. I know it's Real Housewives, but that feels a little too real. And I think that's not necessarily Kyle's storyline. I think that's Kim's life. It feels sad. Then I thought, do they even speak? Because she was able to take back that house because Kim was gone.

[Mary]

It's the situation sad.

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[Courtney]

It's okay.

[Mary]

Miami crazy guys. There's a mug shot of Jody. He was arrested because apparently he is facing criminal charges with, like, trying to record or capture or intercept communication.

[Courtney]

What kind of communication? Where was this interception happening? Also, this is from 2023. Why is it resurfacing now? Why is there a warrant out for Lisa's arrests now if this happened so long ago?

[Mary]

Whoa. And wasn't there something on the season like that Lenny was yelling at them like, you're recording me or something like that.

[Courtney]

Something weird. I thought she even on one of the episodes, like, made a joke about it. Like, I was trying to, like, record the call or something, but, like, he caught me. Like, I thought she had made some joke in a confessional about it. I could have made that up. But it does sound familiar. It is wild that this is resurfacing now. Could it bring Jody and Lisa back together?

[Mary]

I was thinking, what is their relationship status at this time? Because I felt they were broken up.

[Courtney]

Bonnie and Clyde, second best.

[Mary]

I was thinking for 2026, we have grace, Lily and Jody. Oh,

[Courtney]

over your predictions.

[Mary]

Well, yours.

[Courtney]

Well, Grace Lily got arrested again. I could cross that off. Sadly, Jodi and Lisa think is very strange because it is like, were they trying to build a case? Like, if you're doing something illegally, it does not actually get to be thrown into court. It gets thrown out because it's illegal. I wish Lisa would just get rid of Lenny in her life. Obviously they share kids so, like, they'll be in each other's lives, but, like, this has overtaken her life and like, Lisa just deserves to live a good one.

[Mary]

Do you think Lisa will be arrested?

[Courtney]

I just know if she is, that she's going to give a great mug shot.

[Mary]

She's like going to bed every night in her makeup just in case, like,

[Courtney]

she will look absolutely stunning. She will be serving in that mug shot. So serving time and serving looks.

[Mary]

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[Courtney]

Okay, okay. First off, I thought this was a great episode of Atlanta. From, like, last season to now. They have turned it around. I'm obsessed, obsessed with K. Michelle. I want so much more of her. I love when Portia delivered the line from Kelly's like, oh, she's spilling her own tea. Like, there is drama everywhere. And even though I think K. Michelle will end up being the queen bee, the competition for that spot is actually so fun to watch.

[Mary]

K. Michelle honestly doesn't need the girls. Like, she could carry this show by herself. I'm obsessed with her the way she

[Courtney]

keeps looking at the camera, too, when something is happening. All of the Office is making me laugh because I'm like, you've been on so many reality shows. Kay. And yet you still are, like, looking at the camera like, you guys are catching this, Right?

[Mary]

But I also feel like she's being very authentic and sharing her life, and it feels very seamless for her. I also really like Pinky this week too. And Kelly. Kelly, I came around on okay, okay.

[Brooke Devard]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

I'm not sold on her, but they're all. They're all bringing it. Even my girl Angela, who is my favorite here. She's like a silent assassin right now. She doesn't have to say much, but she'll make sure you call Portia.

[Mary]

Okay, I'll do Portia's tag. Portia, I've lived many lives, and all of them have been fabulous. Have they? Drew, if you cast me in your drama, I'll only accept leading roles.

[Courtney]

I like that one.

[Mary]

Shamia. I've been loyal to a fault, and now I'm ready to have my own back.

[Courtney]

It's like she's still talking about Portia. I know you can't be a queen bee if you're talking about someone else.

[Mary]

This is Kelly. I'm short, seasoned, and always a full course meal.

[Courtney]

That one doesn't fully make sense to me. Because you're, like, short and a full course meal. But okay. She has a restaurant, guys.

[Mary]

But she doesn't. That'd be cool.

[Courtney]

That was this episode. This episode. I did learn many of them are broke.

[Mary]

I mean, that closed in December. The one she just opened that we just saw, it already closed.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Well, okay.

[Mary]

Angela in a field of players. I always run it back

[Courtney]

kind of about her husband.

[Mary]

Yeah, yeah.

[Courtney]

We need something with Angela.

[Mary]

She has really upgraded herself. She's walking around with a bedazzled fan in every scene.

[Courtney]

She's putting it on the table when they meet up places. It is now next to, like, the glassware silverware fan.

[Mary]

Does that inspire you to bedazzle a fan?

[Courtney]

It hadn't, but now. Mary, you just gave me a great idea. Thank you so much, Phaedra.

[Mary]

In a world of legends, they call me the Godfather.

[Courtney]

That one's good. But Phaedra is just not. She is such a friend of. To me, I do not think she needs a peach.

[Mary]

She doesn't really have a story.

[Courtney]

It's like, I mean, was it full circle to see baby Aiden now driving and then learning that at 12 years old, he's been driving because he has to be Apollo's designated driver? I was like, I would love to see the legality of that because I don't actually think that's how it works. But I am here for, like, a few little, like, quips of Phaedra.

[Mary]

But.

[Courtney]

Yeah. What's the storyline?

[Mary]

No, I mean, I guess, yeah, her kids are grown. They're going to high school. I mean, she's a great narrator and she's absolutely hysterical. And confessionals. But she really. I. I think she is.

[Courtney]

I think she's lacking in her confessionals this season so far.

[Mary]

Ooh. But she doesn't have a story, that's for sure.

[Courtney]

And I'd rather Cynthia be the narrator, which they kind of let us know she might be when we started episode one of her pressing play, I guess

[Mary]

either have Cynthia or Phaedra, not both. Yeah. And to be honest, I want Phaedra, I think.

[Courtney]

Okay. I'd like Cynthia.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Okay.

[Mary]

Pinky. While they're busy beefing, I stay vegan now.

[Courtney]

We did wonder if she'd say something about meat in hers. We thought it might be referencing her man's meat. That's the only meat she eats. But that was good, too. I liked it.

[Mary]

This is absolutely hysterical. I love that one, K. Michelle. I don't need any background singers. It's always my show.

[Courtney]

Which I agree. I agree. I agree. I like K. Michelle so much. Like, and to know next week is starting. The drama between her and Portia Kay is gonna win.

[Mary]

Totally. I think the fans are obsessing over her. Even just like her story this week. How crazy is it?

[Courtney]

She's going to sing at the Academy of Country Music and she's doing it on behalf of Recy Palmer. And she's honor hearing her. It's also funny, the clips that we get right. We see her walk on stage and then we see her at the end because we don't have the rights to be able to actually show her singing this song. And then we get her at the doctor's office the next day, crying, leaving her husband a message like, call my assistant. I'm at the hospital. And you're like, what the hell is going on? And she starts telling this story about the fact that she was sitting down, got up off the couch because she needed to go get ready for her performance. And the couch is soaking wet. I was thinking with blood, but something is oozing, losing from her body. They have to, like, blow dry her dress. She has to then go and perform. And she's like, what the hell is happening to me? And the doctor tells her we're gonna have to do reconstructive surgery. And she lets us know that she got illegal silicone injections into her butt.

[Mary]

This is such a sad story. And that's what's leaking right now.

[Courtney]

So. So she got an illegal bbl. And I'm trying to figure out, is it because she didn't want to pay for a BBL regularly? Like, why did she do the illegal silicone? I felt so sad for her and her just saying, like, why did I do this to myself? This is the worst mistake I've ever made.

[Mary]

And I wonder how long ago she did that.

[Courtney]

I'm not sure. I felt so sad for her then I was like, wow, thanks for the honesty too. This is crazy. If you just, like, revealing this, we're on episode two. I assume we're gonna go on this journey with her. The realness, the rawness, the honesty. I was like, I felt so sad for her and then thought, star, it's

[Mary]

just kind of a crazy story. I was obsessed with her and her husband, seeing their new home. She's so excited. She has a son who's about 21, but she really wants that baby girl. So she is trying to get pregnant. She wants to do it with her man. And she is so excited to have a baby girl. And they're. They're working on that. The way that she was talking about scrubs, I was cackling. She's like, there's no support. You know when you're at the dentist and it's just like, you just can see their junk. You can just see it. You're basically laying on it. I never thought about that. But it's true. It's true. It's too thin. It just makes me feel uncomfortable now.

[Courtney]

I'm so sorry. Are you okay?

[Mary]

I'll get through it. But it is true.

[Courtney]

You and K Michelle have a real aversion to scrubs and men's wee wees in those scrubs. Get some protection, boys.

[Mary]

It's. It's strange if you think about it.

[Courtney]

I also just was laughing, too, because it was very margot to be like, I forced him to a courthouse. They show a video and they're like, are you so excited to be here? And the look on his face, I'd say would be the complete opposite of excitement. He's wiping the sleep out of his eyes. Just like, I'll sign it.

[Mary]

But I mean, it feels like they've been dating for 20 years, on and off, and it was time. This is what she wanted. And then he's moving down. He's got to open a practice in Georgia. I'd be curious if they have a prenup. Like, who has more money?

[Courtney]

Well, I also wonder, too. She was on a show from Atlanta. It sounds like she had moved to Nashville. Are they from Nashville? And she was doing, like, her country career, kicking it off there. And then she came back to Atlanta, and so now he's moving to Atlanta. I wanted to know what the timeline of all of that was, because she does seem to have a life back in Nashville, and obviously he does. And so I'm like, is this kind of for the show that we're doing this? Are we leading a bicoastal life of Nashville and Atlanta? I know there's no coast whatever, but I was trying to figure that out too, because I'm like, he seems to have a pretty good setup that he can just take over the practice when his dad retires.

[Mary]

Right, Right.

[Courtney]

But now he's going to start all over, but maybe he'll just do part time or maybe it's just for the show.

[Mary]

Totally, totally. Let's talk about Pinky, because we learn a lot about her this week. She has four kids, all with D names. Dallas, Denver, D, Ella, DJ and Dash.

[Courtney]

I thought she had five. She's. I thought two are from his previous marriage and then three with her.

[Mary]

You're right.

[Courtney]

Okay.

[Mary]

Dallas, Denver, Diella, DJ and Dash. Five children.

[Courtney]

She couldn't remember Dash's name, which did make me laugh because I was just such a mom. Brain fart. You know, where she's like, hold on,

[Mary]

what's that last one? They're all. If I say a D name. Dylan.

[Courtney]

Yeah. We call him D.

[Mary]

It's also funny because her husband is named Derek and he owns a Big Dave's Cheesesteaks. And it's the fastest growing restaurant. Number six, fastest growing restaurant. And he seems to be doing super well. And then, like, her business was completely mismanaged. She lost $20 million. She lost her business for 43 days. She's trying to recoup it, bring it back to what it was, and also, like, another really sad story. And then there's also, like, friction in their marriage right now. Like, I feel like he was not there for her. I need to know more about their marriage. What do you think?

[Courtney]

I was a little confused by it because she makes it seem like their marriage was, like, really fast. They met three months later, she was pregnant, and they got married. But there's been so much time since they've actually gotten married. So it sounds like they were both. There's just these, like, entrepreneurs who are going hard, hard, hard in the business, and almost seems like his was, like, easily successful, and hers has been more of an uphill battle. We do know in real time she's filed for bankruptcy, saying, like, well, he was there for me, but he wasn't there for me. And he had a great year. I did it. And then, like, he's there as much as he can be, but what does that really mean? He's next to me, but not there emotionally. And I was trying just to figure out what their dynamic was. It's also interesting because she's so vegan, and he obviously has a steak place. He has meats, right?

[Mary]

That's a good meat.

[Courtney]

Right? Because when she brings out the Mac and cheese box, I'm like, is it just her that's vegan or her kids vegan, too? Have so many more questions about Pinky and Derek.

[Mary]

I know. I feel like the marriage could be on the rocks. She seems a little resentful towards him,

[Courtney]

but he wants another kid.

[Mary]

No, that's not happening.

[Courtney]

Okay.

[Mary]

No.

[Courtney]

We've run out of D names.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Okay, let's talk Shamia, Kelly, Angela, because Shamia is looking for drama. She brought up this Drew moment with Angela. Like, I feel like she brought it up, like, multiple times. She wants to get something going because she has some weird beef with Drew, and Angela was not buying it. She was not jumping into that. No, thank you. She has fans to sell.

[Mary]

She wasn't taking the bait.

[Courtney]

Shamia, I think she's trying too hard, even getting her mom involved later. It's like, we don't need your mom.

[Mary]

The mom thing was very, very embarrassing. But what did you think about? Because, you know, we were at that tea party with Portia, Kelly, and Kate Michelle at the beginning, and, you know, Kelly is wearing this crazy Scarf. She's got a very strange look going on.

[Courtney]

This was one of Kelly's better looks, though. She was such terrible fashion that she was giving me just, like, kind of like damsel and distressed look. She had it wrapped. She had, like, that bright, bold red lip. It was black and white polka dots. I thought it was actually cute for her.

[Mary]

And then she had a purple confessional look later, which was very little Kim. And then I was like, didn't she wear this last season? I remember thinking the same thing last season. So I was like, she definitely wore, like, a lavender last season, I think, for a confessional. So they start talking, and Portia is really pissed at Kelly from the after show that had previously aired from the last season, because she said in the after show, p needs to stop. Stop effing everyone's husband. Okay. So then Portia's like, so, Kelly, you've never slept with a married man? And she's like, you absolutely did. And she starts talking about a very specific incident. She's like, BET weekend. Did you or did you not? Because I heard you slept with a man, and he went right back to his wife. And she seems like she has, like, facts, kind of. And then she lost me because she starts talking about how Kelly was talking about Dennis to this guy, and that's how it got back to her. And I was just as confused as K. Michelle, because I was like, wait, how did Dennis enter the chat? And I felt confused. At first I believed Portia, and then I feel like she lost credibility. What do you think's happening?

[Courtney]

Well, okay, I was thinking, because Kelly seems to know about this incident, though. Like, okay, seems to know what Portia's talking about. Well, where's the receipt? If you know. If you know, where's the receipt? It to me. And this is. I'm taking some leaps. I'm taking some jumps. I'm going far in the sky and far out. Okay, did the wife figure it out? The wife maybe had called the husband when he was at the room with Kelly and then started talking about Dennis. At some point, there was like, a conversation. Like, it wasn't mid coitus, if you will. And then the wife told. Told Dennis, Dennis told Porsche. Portia's now telling Kelly, like, there feels like there's a telephone game that's being played. It feels made up, but it also feels like Portia maybe also can't give full details because then she loses her source. Do you think at the end of the day, Kelly slept with a married man?

[Mary]

I kind of do.

[Courtney]

I Do, too. That's what I'm saying. Like, it. I do feel like there's truth to it, but we don't have all the details. When then when Portia's trying to say we're privately speaking. Speaking now as if there aren't cameras, like Kelly's. Like, we're in a public place publicly speaking, but Kelly just say we're filming a TV show. Portia, what do you mean privately speaking?

[Mary]

The way that Portia got up and gave her that hug and then, like, made her, like, motorboat her, I felt so uncomfortable. And I wish in that moment, Kelly, I think she should have defended herself better. I don't know what she could have done if she actually did this, but,

[Courtney]

I mean, you just deny.

[Mary]

She just, like, accepted it. Like, Portia and I really didn't like it.

[Courtney]

I did. Well, she says, too, like, I basically had to accept this hug because have you seen the height difference? And have you seen Portia's ass? Like, she would have kicked mine because she's so large. And she just was like, okay, I'll take this. But then she's like, now I need to sit and process and actually think about what my revenge is, which is why I then started going down the line to everybody else. But I'm like, kelly, I. I do think you did this. And, you know, what you do behind closed doors is what you do. You just better make sure you're not talking about that hot dog, man. If we go to Drew's movie premiere, which, you know, it was kind of cute because it. It was a low budget movie premiere. We were at the Regal in the mall. I love that we finally are meeting Sway because we know that Portia and Sway together today, and that Portia's like, yeah, everyone knows I also like girls. What's the. What's the big deal? I'm like, yes, that's exactly how you handle it. Kyle, take notes.

[Mary]

Yeah. She was never trying to keep this a secret. There's they flashback to many times on

[Courtney]

camera when Drew was like, excuse me, why are you living my life like Drew's? Like, no, I did this. This was my life. It's like, we can both live this life, Drew.

[Mary]

They can. If Drew was open about that, that I.

[Courtney]

She was, though. I think she was as open as she could be. She's also going through a divorce, and Ralph will probably use anything against her.

[Mary]

This is true. This is true.

[Courtney]

It's all Ralph's fault. Everything is always Ralph's fault.

[Mary]

The way that Drew was talking about getting killed with the. In the first 10 minutes, she's like, no, it was 35. She's like, Drew Barrymore was also killed in the first 10 minutes. Big people get killed in the first 10 minutes.

[Courtney]

And, you know, good for Drew. Get out there. I also loved this group because I was like, okay, Portia, Angela, Phaedra, Drew, this could be a strong foursome.

[Mary]

Well. And Angela and Phaedra have decided to move forward.

[Courtney]

So Angela, they're friends.

[Mary]

She finally confronts Phaedra. Did you send those people to Kelly's event? And Phaedra denies it. And Angela's like, well, I should have asked you first, and I'm gonna move on. On. And that. That's smart. On Angela's behalf, I would say.

[Courtney]

I mean, the shock on the rest of the women's face at Kelly's events when she said, oh, let me say hi to my friend. Phaedra said that to Angela. And there's, like, friends. And I feel like that was a moment, though, when they were like, okay, the alliances are starting to change now. Shamia and Kelly thought they had Angela, but if Angela has Phaedra, which means then she has Porsha. This is actually bad for us. We need the queen be position. But then when Angela's like, so Portia, you know, Kelly told me you were saying she was sleeping with a married man. Portia delivers that line. She's spilling her own tea. Interesting. And that Kelly called her horsea.

[Mary]

Portia.

[Courtney]

Portia. Horsha. Portia. Horsea. Horsea. Portia. Portia Horsa. Portia. Portia. Horseshit. And Portia's like, kelly's fake. I thought we hugged it out. She's a fake ass. Now I'm not going to her opening on Friday because I'm not eating carbs. They also.

[Mary]

I feel like they're all on OIC because Kelly made a comment to Angela too. She's like, well, are you going to eat on Friday?

[Courtney]

Okay, let's take a break and come back with the grand opening.

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[Mary]

Wait really quickly to go back to the movie theater, because then Drew is claiming to be single and Phaedra. And I'm like, where's Black? And where is Phaedra's boyfriend?

[Courtney]

You're right.

[Mary]

Yeah. It was very strange.

[Courtney]

So the man lives in the phone and the other man is for hire.

[Mary]

I don't understand. She literally brought him to Portia's house.

[Courtney]

Why did we have a couple's event when there are no couples?

[Mary]

Good question, Courtney.

[Courtney]

I mean, we have some couples, but the host is not in one. And now Phaedra and Drew, it's just. And then we know too, is that Black shows up next week with flowers.

[Mary]

And I think Black is also paid

[Courtney]

for hire as well. It's like Walter all over again in Kenya. But now I guess we just accept it.

[Mary]

And then. And. And what about K. Michelle saying that Black has been in her DMs?

[Courtney]

It feels like. I mean, Atlanta is obviously, it's like, very small within their circles. Remember too, the guy that Kelly brought, he's a town bicycle.

[Mary]

Right?

[Courtney]

There's so many, so many connections here. Kelly's grand opening.

[Mary]

Before the grand opening, she is running around. She constantly has this champagne glass in her hand, and she's getting ready before. And her booty boobs are absolutely insane in this top. I was so distracted. They looked insane. I'm like, I would just be self conscious running around, like, trying to get this restaurant open with my boobs hanging out. I don't know, but I.

[Courtney]

You're, like, waiting for a nip slip.

[Mary]

Yeah. I also felt like the health inspector came twice. And I'm like, is her ex husband trying to mess with her? That's what I thought.

[Courtney]

She.

[Mary]

She felt very beaten down. She felt like, oh, it almost like she knew that this was gonna fail. It took, like 13 months to actually get open. It looks like they barely did the renovations. It didn't look very different or new. And then, like, come to find out, it closed in December of 2025.

[Courtney]

I was trying to figure out the debt of it all. So it sounds like she secured this place, but then was gonna do some remodeling, but then didn't pay the 100k in the rent because it wasn't open yet and was trying to get out of that. So then she ended up paying 50k, but then it was like she owed another 50. So then she says, so basically, I paid 100k. I wasn't following that story fully then. It made me start thinking about soft bar and it being 10,000amonth and how long that was closed before it opened. This almost feels like she's put all this time and energies, like she has to open it for a couple of months before she can just close it. It.

[Mary]

It's just really sad to know that it already closed. I thought her speech was a lot. I thought she looked great in the red. She's, like, crying during the speech. She's like, this has been so tough. She's so grateful for her family and her team. The road hasn't been easy, but it's been, like, so worth it. And it's finally open. And then like, to find out in real time, it's closed. She couldn't be more open about her debts and the needing this job. But then I just, like, look at her dog and I'm like, why do you take your do dog to the hair salon?

[Courtney]

Chacha does not need hair coloring. This poor dog does not need to be colored bright pink. It's okay.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Just sometimes we spend our money differently, and I think the dog is one that we can. We can take care of the dog. But, yeah, this speech, I almost felt sad. I was like, kelly, stop saying the depressed part. Like, just say, I'm so glad we're here. I'm so glad we're opening. Like, we don't need to say any of the negativity. Just let's. Let's go positive. It's almost like there's a dark cloud over the restaurant. We're in Murphy's Law now. Of, like, anything that can go bad will go bad.

[Mary]

She felt so defeated. She even said, I didn't even want to come today. I'm like, what? Don't tell people that.

[Courtney]

Enjoy. And then Portia's sending these flowers because she's not attending. Congratulations. P.S. we need to talk. Talk Porsche.

[Mary]

Then they put Portia on speakerphone, and Kelly's like, get. Get these flowers out of here. Get her off the phone. Like, no, you're not going to steal my broke.

[Courtney]

The flowers broke. They're broken flowers from a broken person. They're not going to pay the bills. Then Shamia, though, because Shamia is leaning into this BFF forever. She's like, put me in. Where's my apron? I'll be serving this food now. This is why I love Cynthia, because Cynthia's always been about the. And she wants delicious food. And they put table sharing, family shared plates in front of all the women. And they said, cynthia, that's for everyone. And she said, oh, okay, well, here Have a wing. But there's nothing for Pinky to eat there. And I can't tell what the beef and I. Maybe we need to think of a different word for pinky. When she has drama with people, we can't use beef. No, it's.

[Mary]

It's in her tagline.

[Courtney]

True, true. Okay. But it's like she's very supportive of Kelly here and is just like, I'm so proud of you. But we know from last week that Kelly doesn't like pinkies. Where's the beef?

[Mary]

They had a weird moment and I was like, I felt like we missed something.

[Courtney]

That's what I'm saying. I'm like, she seems so supportive here. I'm so proud of you. So I'm like, okay, so she is supportive, but is there like talking behind her back? That's happening. I couldn't figure out where we were missing something that's clearly gone on between the two of them. Or is it like a one sided beef and Pinky has no idea?

[Mary]

Just like when you say beef now, it kind of makes me laugh. No, I, I feel like we missed something. They left something out. Why are they hiding? Exactly.

[Courtney]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I can't figure out. Are we friends? I don't know. Then I was thinking too, is Kelly just in the bad place? And, and she's just so defensive on everything. Do you think she's able to have fun? Is she only having fun with Shamia? I thought about things, okay? Her oldest has gone off to college and obviously she's so proud of her, but that's also like a missing piece of her in a way. So she's like sad about that. She's going through all this stuff with her ex husband. She's sleeping with married men. She's got the Amanda Batula handbook or something. Sleeping with people we shouldn't be sleeping with. And then she's like, has all this debt from the restaurant and so now she's trying to figure out, like, how, how do I keep afloat? She's got to dye the dog. She's got so many expenses, so many places. Is she just in the bad place? And like, is this show her only saving grace right now to keep her afloat?

[Mary]

I think so. I.

[Courtney]

She needs the show.

[Mary]

She needs the show for the money in the brand deals and exposure to Nana's Waffles. I'm concerned.

[Courtney]

I am too. And I just think about when we were reading Lisa Rinna's book and she was talking about how housewives can kind of break you because you're paying for all these clothes so that you, like, look good, and you're almost just breaking even because you have to purport this lifestyle. And then I thought, is, is this what's happening to Kelly right now? And so she's also thinking too, I have to deliver a good season, so I kind of need to have beef with everybody in order to be part of different people's storylines.

[Mary]

But then again, I mean, Porsche Horsea literally on camera said she's sleeping with married men. So she already got outed. She's got it.

[Courtney]

But that's a legit beef to have, I think, is, like, if you're trying to spread around whether I'm doing that or not, if my legs are wide open for married men. Shut the up.

[Mary]

Right?

[Courtney]

Literally. How did you get Simon? Portia, we got a flashback to Fallon this week. I don't even know what's going on. I mean, Portia, now she won Brad, now she's Angelina. Everything is very confusing, and yet I need more.

[Mary]

I really enjoyed this episode. And, okay, let's talk about Drew and Shamia at the end and Drew's mom being a minister.

[Courtney]

I mean, isn't Drew. Drew's mom is a minister, too?

[Mary]

No, I know, I know.

[Courtney]

Preaching. I was like, oh, my God, wait, we need Drew's mom here, too,

[Mary]

because Drew didn't invite Shamia to the premiere. So she confronts her on that, and then, like, Shamia's mom inserts herself. She says a line, tell the devil he is a liar. And actually, I feel like Drew was very respectful towards Shamia's mother. And I feel like I was almost team Drew on this in a weird way, which feels wrong. But Shamia and her have decided to move forward. It feels like everyone is trying to make amends because that first episode was a little bit tough because it was so much from last season and people still fighting. And now we're kind of of Clearing House. Sh&DREW have decided to move forward. Phaedra and Angela have decided to move forward. The problem is now that Porsche has gone for little Kelly and then little Kelly, that's going to be a problem.

[Courtney]

But. Right.

[Mary]

We made progress.

[Courtney]

I think we made progress because. And I think the Angela and Phaedra thing was a smart move. You have to start looking at the alliances. And I think Shamia was like, okay, if Portia, Phaedra and Angela have Drew now, that gives them four looks like so far, K Michelle is over there, even though next week it looks like she's not going to be Kelly and Pinky don't get along for some reason, unbeknownst to us. And Pinky. And then Shamia wants to be the top dog. So she really does have to kind of get the like lower hanging fruit of the group onto her side. Like she has to make up with Drew because it didn't work last episode. Episode fighting with Drew. And if you see who gets to go to Drew's premiere, oh, there's too many of the big dogs that are at Drew's premiere. So now she needs to move forward with her because that's the only way. Like, I think Shamia might be overplaying her hand and now having to backtrack to realize, okay, I actually have to have more alliances with people on this cast than what I thought I had.

[Mary]

We loved Shamia last season. She had such a great first season and sometimes that's tough to have a good second season. And I'm worried for her.

[Courtney]

I told you, I think it's going to be a tough one for her. But I will say whatever makeover she did. Yes, looking 10 out of 10. I kept just looking at her confessional look with like the sequined leopard, which is to me honestly, a hideous look. However, looks fire in it. Like her body looks so good sitting in that.

[Mary]

Do you think she got a BBL?

[Courtney]

I hope it wasn't with K. Michelle's doctor.

[Mary]

It wasn't.

[Courtney]

And I put quotes around Dr. I don't. I mean, I don't know what work she got done, but it was good work.

[Mary]

I think she got a BBL and it looks fantastic.

[Courtney]

Yeah, she looks great. Honestly, this season is firing on all cylinders for me so far. Like, that was an enjoyable episode to watch.

[Mary]

I agree and I can't wait to watch more. Bye bye.

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