TJG: RHOA S17 E5!

Summary

Two Judgey Girls: RHOA S17 E5!

Date: May 5, 2026
Hosts: Mary (Bay Area) & Courtney (LA)
Episode Theme:
A lively, in-depth breakdown of The Real Housewives of Atlanta, Season 17 Episode 5, blended with pop culture gossip and Bravo-universe updates.

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Episode Overview

Courtney and Mary, your resident “judgey girls,” reunite (remotely) to gush, gasp, and giggle through RHOA’s latest explosive group trip episode. They break down the key cast dynamics, juicy drama, room selection chaos, memorable one-liners, and more. The recap is sprinkled with digressions into Bravo gossip, reality TV crossovers, and behind-the-scenes speculation.

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Pre-Recap Banter & Bravo Gossip (03:03–22:02)

Catching Up & Weekend Recaps

• Mary’s Monday Productivity: Laundry, groceries, appointments, delayed virtual check deposits.
• Funny Exchange:
  • Courtney: “I thought this whole time it was cuz you had to go to the bank and it was tough.” (04:05)
  • Mary: “No, no, no, no, no, no. You can do it right from your phone. But I just left it on my bar at home and just looked at it for a few days...” (04:11)
• Dental Insurance Rant: Mary finds it a scam, considers quitting, invites listeners’ feedback. (04:31–05:19)

Pop Culture Updates

• Kentucky Derby Juice: Courtney skips it due to horse concerns but notes historic first female owner win; Bravo stars spotted at event. (05:31–06:16)
• RHOA-Related Friendships: Ashley Darby, Cynthia Bailey, Madison Aaron sightings; skepticism about RHOA casting direction.
• NYC Social Circuit: SNL afterparty rumors and “who’s-seen-where” gossip—Sierra at Met Gala events, Kyle DJing, Amanda and Wes “reunion” speculation. (07:00–10:14)

Summer House & Bravo Speculation

• Season Predictions: Reunion tea—three parts teased by Andy; speculation on casting, show direction, and whether scandal helps or hurts cast members. (10:44–13:59)
• Betrayals Compared:
  • Mary: “To me, this is worse than Scandal.” (13:59)
  • Courtney: “It’s not cheating...”
  • Mary: “But it’s such a betrayal of friendships... there was a marriage involved. There is a lot more layers.” (14:10–14:20)

Quick Reality TV Hits

• Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Whitney Levitt quitting, possible spin-off, “dad talk” rumors.
• More Gossip: TikTok trends, Watch What Happens Live (“Kelsey... I don’t want to end up like Dorit...”), Golden Life teaser, and more.

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RHOA S17 E5 Recap: Dallas Dynasty Drama

(29:46–59:22)

Dramatic, Filtered Open

• Cynthia, Phaedra, and Adrienne Maloof cameo:
  • Courtney: “Terrible. Self tanner was insane... they had to put a filter over her face.” (29:46)
  • Mary: “Facetune is out of control!” (30:06)
• Dallas trip setup: Market for tequila, Cynthia as narrator/friend-of but acting like a full-time Housewife. (30:54–31:29)

Room Drama & Housewife Pecking Order

• Room selection:
  • Mary: “The entire fight this week was about the room placements, which I’m so over.” (31:39)
  • Courtney: “Everything with this cast is about camera time... so they have to act up more...” (31:54)
  • Discussion on being “castaways” in guest house and camera time schemes.

Plane Ride: Outfits, Girls Trip Firsts, & Finances

• Private Jet, destination logistics, cheerleader outfits:
  • Noted theme confusion among cast; Angela’s “Dynasty” mix-up.
• Favorite looks:
  • Mary: “I loved Phaedra’s wig. I loved the long blonde hair and the bangs.” (34:14)
• K. Michelle’s Marriage Without a Prenup:
  • Hosts dissect her rationale, joke about “sneakiest men” and social media.
  • Courtney: “You do not need social media to cheat. I promise you.” (35:39)
• Glam Squads: Critiqued as a new housewives “sin”—no skipping events for lack of glam!
• Pink’s Bankruptcy Talk:
  • Mary & Courtney puzzle over her financial setup: “These are questions I’ll never have answers to because I’m not smart enough to understand it. And by that, I mean I don’t want to understand it.” (39:08)

Arrival at the House of Fate: Room Assignments Blow Up (42:42–50:07)

• Pool House Placement: Guest house seen as slight; cue show-standard gripes.
  • Courtney: “Most of this cast, you’re broke. Be happy with what you got, okay?” (43:33)
  • Mary: “I felt like she was calling [her husband] to have him find someone to come and clean.” (43:09)
• Attempts to Create Drama: K. Michelle threatens to leave; complaints about cleanliness and “camera time.”
• Angela provides comic relief: “No, we don’t have any wristbands for you.” (45:24)
• Production Notes: Hosts guess camera crew opinions—“our camera, we gotta gone follow.”
• Outfit Watch: Kelly’s “leather pants with a jean short over it”—“No.” (47:37)

Dinner & Major Fight – The Heart of the Episode

Scene: Main House Dinner (50:07–57:37)

• Cynthia as Hostess:
  • Courtney: “Cynthia, gracious host. Gracious host, taking care of everybody. Cynthia’s really winning me over this season.” (49:44)
• Phaedra, Pinky, and the Meat-Gate:
  • Shamia’s confessional, “See, sometimes Shamia’s really funny. Sometimes she’s trying way too hard.”
• Kelly’s Emotional Reveal:
  • Ex blocking her kids from filming: Mary: “He’s just trying to make her life miserable, which is so upsetting.” (51:15)
  • Courtney: “If I go deeper, he’s just trying to ruin her life... he doesn’t seem like a good person.” (51:32)

Pinky vs. Angela: Fight Highlights

• Martyr Complex: Pinky confronts Cynthia on behalf of the “guesthouse girls,” energy called “off the charts.”
• THROWING DOWN:
  • Angela: “You don’t pose a threat to me. There’s nothing on you from head to toe that I am bothered by...” (53:11)
  • Courtney: “It’s like when K. Michelle says bimbo, the reactions of everyone at the table, too, are hilarious.” (53:28)
  • Pinky to Angela: “You can get some new veneers because you have an overbite.” (54:16)
  • Angela to Pinky: “Incestuous teeth that you have.” (54:26)
  • Pinky: “Your husband doesn’t even like you.” (54:45)
  • Angela: “You have a live in wife in your basement.” (54:45)
  • Pinky: “Take off your lips, your lashes, and you and your wig, and you look like a boy… Damon.” (55:57)
  • Angela: “Foreclosure. Like, I don’t owe any money. They’ve already taken babe. I’ve already gone through the bankruptcy... You’re just getting started.” (56:01)
• Bravo Isms: “Damon,” “Papa Smurf,” “Mr. Clean,” and “incestuous teeth” enter the Bravo lexicon.
• Aftermath: Pinky concedes, “I don’t want to argue with you.” (57:37)
  Angela sums it up: “...when they go low, we go high. And Angela’s like, take me to hell.” (57:51–57:59)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Mary (on Summer House betrayal): "To me, this is worse than Scandal." (13:59)
• Courtney (on reality TV fame): "Everything with this cast is about camera time. And so not being in the main house, they think means less camera time. So then they have to act up more..." (31:54)
• Angela (to Pinky): “You don’t pose a threat to me. There’s nothing on you from head to toe that I am bothered by.” (53:11)
• Fight Zingers:
  • “Take off your lips, your lashes, and you and your wig, and you look like a boy… Damon.” (55:57)
  • “You have incestuous teeth.” (54:26)
  • “Turn your fan on.” / “How much do you own in your foreclosures?” (53:58–54:10)
• Courtney: “Damon, Papa Smurf, incestuous teeth... I love it.” (57:36)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Pre-show Recap & Weekend Gossip: 03:03–21:41
• Pop Culture & Reality TV News: 05:31–22:02
• RHOA Episode Recap Starts: 29:46
• Dallas Private Plane & Arrival: 33:23–43:33
• Guest House Room Fiasco: 42:42–45:56
• House Dinner & Meltdown: 49:44–57:37
• Pinky & Angela’s Epic Fight: 53:11–57:37

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Overall Tone & Vibe

Mary and Courtney are witty, relatable, and incisive—unafraid to poke fun at themselves, the Housewives, and Bravo production. Their recaps thrive on detailed observation, snarky asides, and genuine affection for the genre’s messy human drama.

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Final Thoughts

• This RHOA episode was a top-tier, vintage Housewives group trip, packed with shade, nonsensical feuds, and reality TV gold (see: “Papa Smurf” and “incestuous teeth”).
• The hosts highlight critical Bravo dynamics: pecking orders, camera-time strategies, and how cast relationships fuel (or fizzle) the franchise.
• The episode ends with anticipation for more Dallas drama (“Which partners will show up?”) and a tease for their next Summer House recap.

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For listeners new and old, this episode is a must for lovers of Bravo, group trip chaos, and colorful pop-culture commentary.

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[Mary]

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[Mary]

Welcome back to two Judgy Girls. This is Mary from the Bay and

[Courtney]

it's Courtney from la. What a week. It's only Monday, but what a week. Now I know this is going out on Tuesday, so. Or midnight. So technically it's Tuesday when you'll listen to this, but what a week.

[Mary]

To be honest, the amount I've already done this morning is actually insane. Saying I've already gone to the grocery store, I've done a load of laundry, I unloaded the dishwasher. I have like scheduled and rescheduled appointments. I feel like I'm taking on the week.

[Courtney]

And what time did you get up this morning?

[Mary]

Six.

[Courtney]

Okay, that's a lot. It's only 9:30 right now.

[Mary]

Deposited some checks that I've been putting off. You know, Coro's. Exactly, exactly what I'm talking about.

[Courtney]

I can't believe that your bank does not have the virtual check deposit. It does.

[Mary]

They do.

[Courtney]

Wait, so you've just been putting off the virtual check deposit?

[Mary]

Yes, yes. I.

[Courtney]

I thought this whole time it was cuz you had to go to the bank and it was tough.

[Mary]

No.

[Courtney]

Oh my God.

[Mary]

No, no, no, no, no, no. You can do it right from your phone. But I just left it on my bar at home and just looked at it for a few days and sure. Now it's finally deposited.

[Courtney]

Oh good, good, good, good. I'm glad you got that done.

[Mary]

My other goal today is to call my dental insurance.

[Courtney]

Okay, for what?

[Mary]

Okay, so well, now that we are full time, right, you know, we're paying our insurance, so I got dental insurance and I think it's a scam, Courtney. They really are not. I went for a cleaning and they're like not paying for it. I gotta, I gotta get them on the horn today and I think I'm gonna quit because my dentist actually offers like a package that will be less. And then of course like if you have to get a crown, it'll be super expensive. But like I'm gonna take the gamble and the risk.

[Courtney]

No risk, no reward.

[Mary]

Is that what they say? But it really does feel like dental insurance is a scam if you're paying out of pocket. Guys, let me know if you pay for your own dental insurance and if you have a good one because I'm in the market. I'm going to quit mine today.

[Courtney]

Okay, let's talk about the weekend happenings because I feel like a lot happened. We had the beginning of May. You had big news. I feel like Saturday was a big day.

[Mary]

You know, I was at that wedding, so I was distracted. I couldn't see the Kentucky Derby. Tell me all about that.

[Courtney]

Well, I don't watch the Kentucky Derby because I feel really bad for the horses. I don't know why the Kentucky Derby really bothers me. And it's not like I'm on, like, some moral police over here, but, like, maybe I am. I don't know. But for some reason, I can't watch it because I feel so sad because I saw this clip of this horse that, like, got spooked and, like, fell over. And then I feel bad for it. And then I hear these things that if they, like, break their ankle, they might have to kill them. It's like a whole thing. Anyways, the first woman owner did win, which is exciting.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

So there's the one pro for that. But then there were some bravo loves that were brought out there for the Derby.

[Mary]

I saw Ashley Darby, Cynthia Bailey, Madison Aaron from Brony, which they really, really push her. Why Ashley? I. Of course. No. Other than Britney Cartwright. She is from Kentucky. Guys. Yeah.

[Courtney]

Mother Hubbard.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

So, you know, Lindsay and Aaron are, like, this tight. You can't see me right now. They're tight. I don't get it.

[Mary]

I. I actually enjoy that friendship. I'm just a little skeptical about Roni.

[Courtney]

We'll see.

[Mary]

We'll see what happens. Maybe they'll have a great season. I can only hope I'll be watching it every single episode, so I can only hope it's good.

[Courtney]

Well, they'll have a 33% rate of being good.

[Mary]

If it is good, why 33%?

[Courtney]

Because this is their third season. The first two were terrible.

[Mary]

The first one started out okay, and then it kind of fell off.

[Courtney]

Okay, so you want to raise it to 40?

[Mary]

I don't know. I'm just hoping for a good season. Okay. We got John, John Gosling's ex to look forward to.

[Courtney]

I know. For some reason, I really feel like she's going to be a troll. And so that, like, weirdly gets me excited. I'm just not sure why we're anchoring a show around Aaron.

[Mary]

I agree. I agree.

[Courtney]

So whatever. Also though, on Saturday, posted Sunday, Carl and Kyle went to Saturday Night Live and they were at the after party. And the rumor is, mary, that Kyle DJ'd the after party.

[Mary]

Oh, my God, I love this for him.

[Courtney]

I know. Carl is good friends with somebody from snl. I feel like he's mentioned that to us before. And so I'm assuming that he was like, the connect to get them in there to see the show and then go to the after party. But there's something about Sierra, who's gone to all the Pre Met Gala parties this weekend. Like, she was at Tiana Taylor's party with Mia. They look so hot. I'm like, this is like. Actually, it's like, how. How does a hot person get hotter? It's fudgeing rude. Sierra's at the Pre Met Gala party. She's hosting the E Carpet for Met gala. Kyle is DJing the SNL after parties, and then the other two are at NYU dive bars.

[Mary]

Did we actually get a sighting of west and Amanda this weekend? Because I was kind of annoyed because I never saw anything and I look forward to that on the weekends.

[Courtney]

No, I know, right? Like, where are they gonna be? Like, are they gonna be at, like, center court at the Knicks game for playoffs?

[Mary]

Like, it really does excite me to. To know what they're gonna do next.

[Courtney]

No, no sighting of them. At least from what I've seen. Is it already done?

[Mary]

Oh, my gosh. Let's start the rumor right now.

[Courtney]

I just keep thinking about this ad nauseam. Like, I can't stop thinking about this. And when I don't see anything, then I start to really put the conspiracy theories into my own head.

[Mary]

Of course.

[Courtney]

But I just think at the end of the day, I think Wes in theory will be fine. Maybe within the Bravo sphere, he's done, but who even knows? Because what happens for the next season but within the sports world, I feel like he'll still have that. He still has that podcast. He still has connections that aren't necessarily Summer House helped it. But I think also, like, with Complex, he works. You know what I mean?

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

And then I just think when Amanda comes out of her temporary psychosis, because that's the only way I can think of where we're at with this is, like, what's going to happen? And I weirdly and parasocially and like, not as, like a friend, just as a DG sister of mine, but I weirdly worry about that downfall because it's going to be a crash and burn for her when this doesn't work out and she's burned every bridge, and now she's trying to make inroads with the cast again, who seemingly are talking to her more so than they're talking to Wes. But what the level is, I don't know. But I just think like, God, she blew her life up for him.

[Mary]

Well, we honestly, it'll be very interesting how the reunion pans out and then who is actually gonna go to the summer house for 2026? Like that is going to be all telling because maybe they've all managed to keep their job because of this. You know, we don't know what the direction is going to be, what Bravo is thinking. And I really don't think we can say much until we know who's actually filming this summer.

[Courtney]

So Vulture did today that came out this like reality star thing. Andy was questioned about something. I just saw this little blurb and he said, like, this will be the first time I think we'll ever have a three part summer house series. Like for the reunion. Like there was so much that went on. And so yeah, I do wonder because I also was thinking too, is Bailey helping Carl out right now by being vague about what their relationship status is so maybe Carl can come back next summer? Like, did this scandal help Carl's reality career for him to return, for him to possibly be season two? Because they're all kind of united. I just keep thinking about what the implications are and like who's benefiting from it and who's not, which I think we can see.

[Mary]

I like, honestly weirdly think they're all gonna come back. I, I, I, I don't know. I don't know.

[Courtney]

Yeah, like I wonder if they phase in the OGs just to come back for like a weekend or two and we start to really focus on the newbies.

[Mary]

But people want to see the end of this story. We're so hooked right now. Like this would be the highest rated season, season 11, if they all came back.

[Courtney]

Yeah. And I think what's different too is when you look at Vanderpump rules, when they tried to bring everyone back and Ariana was like, here are my boundaries. I am not like, I refuse. I do not want to film with them. And then Lala and Sheena were put up by producers to create all this animosity and essentially that last season blew up. Right. It was terrible. We were all mad about it because the level of honesty was really only coming from Ariana and Katie. Everyone else was trying to play a role and do everything but a Kyle I think would react differently. And so there would be speaking with Wes. Like the dynamics are a little bit differently. Obviously I think Sierra would keep her boundaries. But I also wonder too because she said, I'm not leaving. So if my fate is that they are going to be together in this house, then it will be really interesting to see how it all plays out. I also think it's different too with this cast as well. Is like more people are siding with Sierra and Kyle than people were siding with Ariana. In the cast itself, Schwartz was Sandoval and trying to play it. But then like also had like Lala and Sheena and they were still trying to do these group trips as opposed to where I think that the dynamics are just different, that it would create a really interesting season, especially if it fizzled out before the season filmed, which

[Mary]

could very well happen.

[Courtney]

Not in my life. I lie because that's exaggerating. But, like, I just never thought that we would have. And it's not the same as Scandal, but like another way of this rocking the Bravo sphere as it did. Like, you had the Shep Taylor Austin hookup triangle, but for some reason the stakes are so much higher here. And. And I think you had mentioned it too, because I remember when I was like, Mary, if this was true and you're like, I'd be really upset. I'd be like, really upset about it. That it's like, it's when you can't see them doing that.

[Mary]

To me, this is worse than Scandal.

[Courtney]

Worse.

[Mary]

Yes, it is. But that's.

[Courtney]

To me, I guess I don't. Because it's not cheating.

[Mary]

I know, but it's just like such a betrayal of friendships. And I mean, there was a marriage involved. There is a lot more layers.

[Courtney]

But like, Ariana and Tom were together for 10 years and lived in a house together and they did the stuff at the house they lived at.

[Mary]

But there's also like four people involved, so there's more people. I just also expect more from the summer house people.

[Courtney]

Of course. That's why they're our friends.

[Mary]

Well, they have a moral compass.

[Courtney]

Do they?

[Mary]

Apparently not.

[Courtney]

Wait, also, can we talk about too? So last night was Mark Ballas's and Whitney Levitt's last show at Chicago. Apparently the newspaper that she opened says Whitney Levitt quits Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

[Mary]

I heard that as well. And I'm like, so proud of her. This is exactly, exactly what she wanted. She got to do Dancing with the Stars. She is on Broadway now. I'm so curious if she's gonna get, like, her own spin off following her life on Broadway. I'm obsessed with her husband Connor.

[Courtney]

Did you see he got cast in and off Broadway. Do you know who Cost and Mayer are? There's this, like, couple who dances on Tick Tock. They have this off Broadway show. I think it's called like 11 to midnight or something like that. It's like very dance heavy. And Connor was cast in that.

[Mary]

This is so exciting. I think they could carry a reality TV show themselves. Maybe like super short, like six episodes type of thing.

[Courtney]

30 minutes, six episodes. Like love it or leave it, you know, something like that. It's like there really could be something there that's a sinking ship. I'm sorry. I mean, the two stars of the show were Taylor and Whitney. And obviously Taylor has whatever's going on there. I still still think we're gonna see that Bachelorette season. I think they're going to soft launch it somehow. I don't know. But then Whitney, where the girls are also so mean to her. If Jen is on the OC1 and I like the other girls. Like, I like Jesse, but I think Jesse's trying to take the Taylor spot and it's like, that's not a spot to want to take.

[Mary]

And the whole like, Marciano thing. And then apparently she was out with someone else the next day. I actually really like Jesse. But will Mom Talk survive this?

[Courtney]

I don't think so. I actually really like Miranda. I like Layla. I like them all. I don't know that we need this crazy amount of episodes of a season. And I think we probably need to branch out because we don't need dad talk. Apparently too. There's like this email going around that dad Talk needs their own spin off.

[Mary]

Like, no, nobody would watch that.

[Courtney]

No, we don't like Dakota. Jordan, your eyes are too close together. Like Chase, I'm interested in.

[Mary]

Okay, what? Just the comments.

[Courtney]

Yeah, about Chase. I know. I like Chase too. And I would be curious to see what he does because I saw that Coachella and there were rumors about him and he's like a dirty dog. But I also enjoy his co parenting with Miranda. Miranda posted. Okay, maybe I do want to watch it, but not that talk. But the next season of More Wives. You know that trend that's happening on TikTok too. It's like taking people's text messages and making them like gospel or like emo or like a rock song. Have you seen that?

[Mary]

I have not.

[Courtney]

Okay, so Miranda did one, but it's with Chase's texts. And it is so funny. But he keeps being like, hey, could you repost that? Hey, could you repost my tick tock? And it's just her flaming him to be like, repost my dick.

[Mary]

That's amazing.

[Courtney]

So silly. It's just so silly. So maybe I'll. I mean, I'll Watch anything?

[Mary]

Of course. Of course. Did you catch any of Watch what happens live last night? Kelsey was on.

[Courtney]

I saw a couple clips, but fill me in.

[Mary]

I. I just saw a couple clips too, but the one that stood out to me was she basically made this comment that said, I don't want to end up like dorit because she outsourced her money to a man, and I don't want to end up like her. I'm like, oh, my God. Kelsey is getting set up for squash the beef at Bravo Con 2027. Like, Dorit and her.

[Courtney]

That's, like, also crazy because Kelsey, really? You're gonna throw it at Dorit? Like, that's not that Dorit is, like, this all star housewife, but, like, that feels like a bigger fish that we're trying to fry here. And, like, you can't even beat your argument with Rosie.

[Mary]

I am kind of in love with Kelsey and her confessionals, and because she speaks with conviction, she's willing to bring it. I think she's willing to start fights and is calm, cool, and collective at the same time.

[Courtney]

Calm cool. Did we watch the same episode where she busted into that room? Are you talking about me? You have no house. You have no. Did you see that episode? We just talked about it.

[Mary]

She's remained calm.

[Courtney]

Okay, well, she's a slam pig. Oh, my God, I cannot wait for those episodes. I can't believe we're halfway over with Rory. We still have a second half. That's like, how do you beat the first half? They're like, let me show you. Apparently, too, Dolores was not invited to the reunion.

[Mary]

Good. It doesn't make sense.

[Courtney]

But what that confirmed for me was, we're getting a reunion. Oh, good point. Yes. I have to look at the context clues to think, like, what benefits me from this sentence. Also, Dolores not being there. I don't think she needs to be there. I think that having Dolores there will change the dynamic between the women completely. Completely. Yeah. Okay. Speaking of the other housewives, so E released this teaser trailer about the golden life, which apparently wrapped over the weekend because Dorinda posted, I'm going back to New York. She was like, I don't want to be down here anymore. It felt like, thank God filming is over. I can get home now.

[Mary]

They filmed a lot longer than I would have thought, to be honest.

[Courtney]

Yeah. I wonder what the schedule was. But I gotta tell you, I was like, I'm not looking forward to this. Except then I saw that teaser trailer. I said, they did it. They got me. I'm in at one point, Sonia says, I burped and I threw up a little. Luann, can you smell the barf on my breath? And while that is a disgusting statement, quintessential legacy for sure.

[Mary]

So you didn't see her at the abbey yesterday?

[Courtney]

I did not go. I was having what I like to call a POS weekend. I was only doing it on Saturday, but then I was like, why wouldn't I do it Sunday, too? And that's just where you're a piece of. And you just hang out at your house. I have a lot that's coming up. And I was like, I'm going to hold on to my energy because I have to expel so much of it in the coming weeks that I said, I'm going to charge.

[Mary]

Love that. I love a rot day. I ordered doordash twice yesterday, so I get. I get it.

[Courtney]

What'd you get?

[Mary]

Michael and I split an Italian sandwich for lunch and then for dinner.

[Courtney]

We had that sandwich place we got before.

[Mary]

Not boys Deli. I had to boycott it because of West.

[Jack Myers]

Don't.

[Courtney]

Don't do that. You knew about that place before he did?

[Mary]

No, I. I did. I did.

[Courtney]

No, we just.

[Mary]

Local place a little bit closer to here.

[Courtney]

Okay. Faster delivery.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

It was one of those 11 to 21 minute orders deliveries.

[Mary]

It was. It's. It's literally down the street.

[Courtney]

Okay, so it was the same as my coffee on Friday.

[Mary]

It. Exactly, Exactly. I was tired. The wedding. I was tired. I was tired on Sunday. Sure.

[Courtney]

It happens to the best of us.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Let's take a break and then let's come back because this episode of Atlanta was amazing.

[Mary]

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Michael's everything to celebrate anything. The opening was so funny. So we have like Cynthia Phaedra and Adrienne Maloof, which was so refreshing to see her back on our screen. How did you think she looked?

[Courtney]

Terrible. Terrible. Self tanner was insane. I was like, we are literally doing this like Dallas Dynasty theme, editing it as a theme because we have to put a filter over her face. Stop.

[Mary]

She goes on Jeff Lewis all the time, so I listen to her. But have you seen her Instagram recently?

[Courtney]

No. Tell me about it.

[Mary]

Facetune is out of control. It looks nothing like her. Like angel and Adria Maloof. It's the same with the face tune, you know what I mean? Yes, yes. So I found it like refreshing to see what she actually looked like.

[Courtney]

But I think there's a filter on this to help her out. I couldn't figure out why we were doing this whole thing. And then I thought, oh my God, did she have a stipulation, I'll appear on camera as long as you filter me?

[Mary]

I, I, it was like, yeah, they were kind of. But it was because of Dallas, right? Sure.

[Courtney]

Dynasty. Yeah, whatever we want to say for it. It was like that RuPaul filter where it's like Vaselines on the camera, so everything's blurry and pretty and bright.

[Mary]

Mm, Vaseline. It does work great.

[Courtney]

I love a good sluggin.

[Mary]

Okay, who. Who knew that Dallas is the biggest market for tequila? I had no idea. It's the number two drink. Vodka's number one. And it's interesting how much Cynthia is playing a part when she's just a friend of.

[Courtney]

I know. This is why I'm saying, like, her and Phaedra are living these same roles, and we're getting way more of Cynthia as a narrator than we're getting of Phaedra and her life.

[Mary]

Yeah, it's so true.

[Courtney]

It's like Phaedra comes in for, like, these quippy, like, shady one liners on her confessional. But then, like, Cynthia's helping us drive and move stores. Like, Cynthia's hosting a trip.

[Mary]

That's what's wild to me. Because why wouldn't they just make her hold a peach? She's at everything.

[Courtney]

I know. She's really doing a lot too.

[Mary]

Agreed. I mean, the entire fight this week was about the room placements, which I'm so over this fight. I mean, it's quintessential housewives, but I'm so sick of fighting about the room arrangements.

[Courtney]

I would say it's really only quintessential Roni legacy, though. I was trying to think more about other ones that are doing it as much, but I'm like, that was such a Roni thing. And every place in this house was amazing. And so minus it being dirty, but it's so ridiculous to do that when it's like, you guys, you have a bed, and you know what? You have a house that's away from the main house. Like, or you could be by yourself. But what I was thinking about when they were freaking out about it was I was like, oh, they're going though camera time. Everything with this cast is about camera time. And so not being in the main house, they think means less camera time. So then they have to act up more so that the cameras stay on them so that they can then have their camera time as opposed to being like, oh, my God, I can stay away from the cast, because in my mind, I'm like, oh, my God, I don't have to be in the main house. This is amazing, right?

[Mary]

Like a little retreat from the group. You can come and go as you please. You can be at that main house as much as you want in the common areas, but you don't have to be with all the people.

[Courtney]

Right? Like, to Me. More privacy is exciting. If I'm Pinky, I'm like, hell, yeah. I'm cast away by myself and I don't have to talk to anyone. Great. But then again, that's probably why I wouldn't make a good housewife, because I'm not fighting for the camera. I'm fighting from a sleep.

[Mary]

And very sweet of Pinky, in the end, she offers to sleep with someone else so that Shamia and Kelly can sleep in her little one bedroom by themselves.

[Courtney]

It's not even little. It's like, this house is insane. But before we get there, let's start from the beginning of going on this private plane. But where the hell did this private plane land?

[Mary]

And who paid for this private plane? Adrian Malou.

[Courtney]

Adrian. That's what I was wondering. So, no, it's not Cynthia.

[Mary]

Yeah. Okay, so maybe Adrian paid for it. But then they had to drive, I would say five hours. What's the point of having the private plane if you had to drive five hours to this home?

[Courtney]

It was so far that we have to do a gas station stop so Shamia can tell us about peeing in a cup. Like, are we just not allowed to hover? I know,

[Mary]

I know.

[Courtney]

Also dressed as, like, a cheerleader, too, but, like, a Prada crop top and then, like, an aloe, like, tennis skirt. I was, like, mixing high and low.

[Mary]

I loved Phaedra's wig. I loved the long blonde hair and the bangs. I thought it was a good look for her.

[Courtney]

I also thought it was funny when they all get on the plane and they're supposed to be in theme, and most of the cast was like, I. Okay, I didn't even miss that. We were dressing up. Or then they tried to dress up, and they were so off of dressing up. They were like, oh, that's what she meant by that text message.

[Mary]

Angela, she didn't understand that Dynasty was a TV show. She. I don't know what she thought.

[Courtney]

She's probably thinking, like, basketball Dynasty.

[Mary]

You're totally probably.

[Courtney]

Well, maybe she was thinking, like, Adrienne Maloof is putting this trip on. They had the Sacramento Kings. We're talking about a basketball dynasty. Has Sacramento even won? I don't know, but she just went there and she's like, charles, what's the biggest dynasty I need to know about in Dallas? Have the Mavericks done it? Like, where are we at here? I love Angela so much, by the way. And it always makes me happy when I've said, like, angela is my favorite Atlanta housewife. And then when she has an Episode like this, and it confirms why it. It makes me feel like you were on something, Courtney.

[Mary]

I. I knew with those fans she was. She was gonna be a star.

[Courtney]

I knew. I have to tell you, though, I kind of turned on K. Michelle this week.

[Mary]

Oh, okay. Tell me more.

[Courtney]

Okay, well, so we're on the plane after Pinky's 20 minute prayer, and we're starting to talk about, like, the husbands or. I don't even know how we get on this subject, but we're talking about K. Michelle and her husband. He has no social media. And I'm like, you do not need social media to cheat. I promise you. But then she also. Every man cheats. And then she, though, married this man without a prenup.

[Mary]

I was shocked to hear about the prenup situation. But then it kind of made me think, I wonder what her finances are like, because we know she got, like, this bbl, like, off market. So maybe off market, maybe he has more money than her.

[Courtney]

He is a dentist, but he's starting a new practice in Atlanta with zero clients, unless the Nashville one is really going to keep him afloat. And then the glam thing at the end really pissed me off because I'm like, you're on an ensemble show. You cannot have glam. I'm sorry if you cannot arrive to an event because you don't have glam. Glam squads are canceled. That's not a reason for you to miss. I also don't trust women. Housewives mostly, but like K. Michelle and Pinky, who have never been on a girls trip and they're in their 40s and 50s. You girls were in a sorority, and you're telling me there was never a trip that you've ever taken? You've never gone anywhere with a couple of girlfriends? Your first girl trip, like, K. Michelle, weren't you on a whole other reality show before?

[Mary]

I feel like this often comes up. It's like, I've never been on a girls trip before. Maybe they're forgetting. Maybe they have amnesia.

[Courtney]

Pretend amnesia. Right? But I'm like, I don't trust you. You saying that. And then when Pinky also said too, like, I'm a guy's girl, I'm like, oh, here we go. Oh, here we go. Oh. You only hang out with guys. Like, come on.

[Mary]

The prenup thing was super interesting, and she actually kind of was outing him. She called him the sneakiest man because he doesn't have social media.

[Courtney]

So then why did you get married to him? I mean, does nobody believe in the Sanctity of marriage anymore.

[Mary]

It's very, very interesting. Okay, let's talk about Drew and K. Michelle. Because on the plane, Drew was like, well, you know, Black. And K. Michelle's like, I do not know that man. Meanwhile, Black has been in her DMs, given her his number. So I was kind of confused why she was backpedaling on that.

[Courtney]

Well, I think she doesn't know Black in the way that Drew was trying to insinuate and maybe have a storyline of fighting over Black, which is like, no, thanks. No, thanks. Drew, he told you you could be friends or friends with benefits. We don't need to be fighting over this man. And so I think that was just what K was saying was like, yeah, we've, like, DMed or whatever, but there's been nothing more than that. I know of him, but I do not know that man.

[Mary]

Yeah. Do you think we'll see more of him?

[Courtney]

Of course. I won't be surprised if he shows up to this Dallas gala. Oh.

[Mary]

Oh, I hope. I hope.

[Courtney]

Hope, right? I hope. Okay. I wanted to also talk about Pinky, talking about her finances and the bankruptcy on the plane. Here's my biggest question. Huh.

[Mary]

I'm kind of like, Shamia. I don't know enough about this at all. She's clearly trying to figure out what's the best way to file to keep her assets and clear her name. I just don't know anything about this.

[Courtney]

Then I was trying to figure out her finances. Right. She's like, I don't pay myself as an individual, so I don't have a paycheck in that way that goes to Pinky directly. But I have seven businesses that have income, so I'm like, are you moving the income between the businesses, or are you just expensing a ton of things? You expense your rent because your office is in your house. Like, I was trying to figure out how all of that worked. And then plus the money her husband has, how they keep that separate. These are questions I will never have answers to because I am not smart enough to understand it. And by that, I mean I don't want to understand it. I want to make blatant statements with conviction but without fact.

[Mary]

Yeah, I was kind of confused here.

[Courtney]

Right. Okay. I just was sitting there like, okay, but Pinky also talks too much. And so sometimes I'm like, the person who's talking too much, giving too many details, telling us too much information is lying.

[Mary]

I don't think she's lying. I actually really enjoyed her this episode, and I love her New orange confessional look. I think she looks fantastic in that. Okay.

[Courtney]

All right. Okay. Let's take one more break and then come back with the arrival.

[Mary]

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[Mary]

So we're at the house of fate.

[Courtney]

Hey, my name is Phaedra.

[Mary]

And Cynthia's like, so everyone, I have decided where you are.

[Jack Myers]

Sleep.

[Mary]

Sleeping. And I thought long and hard about this. And I thought, who are the best friends in the group? Who are the people that want to be together the most? And I just thought Shamia and Kelly, and that's why you two will be at the pool house. And shabby is like, pretending to be grateful. When she called her husband like he was gonna solve this problem for her, I felt like she was calling him to have him find someone to come and clean. I was like, why are you calling your husband to tell him this? He doesn't care. He does not want to be on screen at all.

[Courtney]

He said, shamia, the deal was you can be a housewife as long as I don't have to be the house husband. I know, like, you're not catching that. And for some reason you keep trying to drag me into this. I don't want a part of it. When K. Michelle, they go in, into the guests or like the pool house, I guess the outhouse, as Kelly calls it later, I'm like, kelly, you're broke. Appreciate it, okay? Most of this cast, you're broke. Be happy with what you got, okay? And K. Michelle's like, if you tried to put me in here, I would leave and go to a hotel, like, for a smaller room. What? What are you guys talking about? Yes, I think it's gross that the rooms are dirty. But at this point, it's like, this is a very nice accommodation. It was a two bedroom, two and a half bath. You guys have your own space. You're trying to cause drama to cause drama, but it's actually just making all three of you look bad.

[Mary]

Well, I loved when Angela went out there and was like, how's it going out here, guys? And they're like, you know who should be out here? Frick and Frack. Because they are whack. And they were like, oh, here we go now. Because I said that I know Angela's gonna go running back to those girls saying they are are whack. And it's like, literally, it was just a rhyme.

[Courtney]

Kelly, you also said it because you wanted Angela to go back because you want a storyline. Also, why would Phaedra and Portia, the most seasoned housewives of this cast with Cynthia, who are probably the closest to Cynthia be in the guest house. You guys are in your second season, okay? Michelle, you're in your first. Like that. To me, I was like, sonia Morgan told Cindy Bar Shop this all the way back in season four that there is a pecking order and was it a ruse? Statement. It was. However, it's also fact.

[Mary]

It is. It's so true. It's so true. Of course, Portia and Phaedra, we're going to be in the main house. Cynthia is an og.

[Courtney]

Exactly. So it's like the fact that they're freaking out about this. Like, you guys literally have the pool right there. I will say it was funny when Angela came down and she's like, hey, guys. And they're like, no, we don't have any wristbands for you. That did make me laugh. Like, they do have some funny moments when Phaedra was like, so you have Dom Perry on, which is Phaedra and Portia, and then you have Andre. And it was Shamia and Kelly, but the scene of Shamia and Kelly running when she said it and then pausing on them. Sometimes the editors just make me giggle.

[Mary]

I. It was so dramatic, them not coming to the dinner. They're like, we can't shower. I'm like. Like, there's like, eight showers in this place. You're telling me you can't borrow one of the showers? I can understand if you think it's nasty and they're going to get it cleaned the next day, but you can't go to someone's shower and use it for 15 minutes. Like, come on.

[Courtney]

Exactly. And look, I understand after a day of flying and traveling, you probably want to refresh and maybe you want to do a new face, but I'm like, you guys all got glam for the plane, so, like, your faces look fantastic already. And also, it's like, yeah, here's what you do. You tell Cynthia, hey, our room's really dirty. Cynthia calls the house manager. They figure out what to do. You change, you show up to dinner, and you film. And then that's like a later problem. You figure it out at the end of the night.

[Mary]

The funniest part is they end up going to the dinner because there was so much yelling. They're like, wait, what's going on up there? I want to be a part of it. But K. Michelle would not actually sit down. It was so bizarre.

[Courtney]

It's like, your invitation is revoked if you guys are gonna sit by the pool. Also, K. Michelle being like, can't be on camera. I don't have my glam to then go film at the pool for the girls to be like, we can't go to dinner because it's dirty, so we're gonna sit by the pool with a camera. What made me laugh though, to finish theirs up too is I bet that cameraman that was filming them at the pool was pulled to the main dinner because of all the drama happening. And they were like, our camera, we gotta gone follow. We're not interesting enough. More is happening there and if we want to be on camera, we gotta go be a part of it now.

[Mary]

I also felt like it was so hot there and I just kept on looking at Kelly's outfit. It was like jeans with like leather stirrups.

[Courtney]

It was leather pants with a jean short over it. I was like, no.

[Mary]

But I was like, are you like, melting in that? I just felt like she was sweating inside that leather and she would have done anything to jump in that pool, but she couldn't jump in the pool because then she would have to get her hair wet and she doesn't even have a shower and she doesn't have glam, so she just couldn't do it.

[Courtney]

Kelly, your new confessional is these ill fitting cheetah print gloves. I'm like, they look like my dishwashing

[Mary]

gloves with a red solo cup, which it just reminds me so much of Kim. Zak, I'm sorry, you're at your own home. Why can't you put that in a different cup?

[Courtney]

Because Kim doesn't want to do dishes.

[Mary]

I never want want to drink out of a red solo cup. The only time I want to drink out of a red solo cup is when I'm taking an Uber to a concert or a party or an event and I'm having a roadie. That's the only time I want to drink out of plastic.

[Courtney]

So when I do that, I put it in a coffee cup with a lid, not a red solo cup, so that way no spillage. But also, people don't know that I'm being bad naughty. The only time I want a red solo cup is if I'm playing beer pong. And when am I playing beer pong? When I'm in college, because I'm terrible at it.

[Mary]

They don't even play the right way anymore. They, like, are very sanitary and clean

[Courtney]

and they just have a cup they drink out of. And the cups are just for the game.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

They will never know the germs that we have acquired. The reason our immune Systems are so good is because we were drinking out of cups with the same people who had mono. How did I get mono? In college, from the Phi Cap house, playing beer pong. That's how I got mono.

[Mary]

We were feral. Feral. It's, like, disgusting.

[Courtney]

Like, inappropriate. God, I was never so skinny as I was after I had mono. But I literally was like, do people in your house have mono? Like, talking to my friend, he's like, oh, my God, it's going around. I'm like, God damn it. At least I wanted to say it was the kiss. You know, it was like the kissing disease.

[Mary]

The kissing disease. Of course.

[Courtney]

Beer pong. Anyways, let's talk about this dinner. By the way, Cynthia, gracious host. Gracious host, taking care of everybody. Cynthia's really winning me over this season. I love her. Do you like her more? Because, you know, you're so averse to her being on the cast as she doesn't, quote, unquote, live there.

[Mary]

Either make her an actual housewife life or don't have her on. I don't like this in between.

[Courtney]

Okay, okay, okay. Pinky and Phaedra, they talk about the eating of the meat, that Phaedra started this. And Phaedra's like, no, I didn't. I literally con Shamia into making her own conclusion. And Shamiya's the one that did it. Shamia in her confessional, being like, oh, God, I've got to make amends with Phaedra. I owe another apology to someone like. Like, see, sometimes Shamia's really funny. Sometimes she's trying way too hard. I think she's trying way too hard when she's with Kelly.

[Mary]

Well, and Kelly's the one that's going around telling everyone, did you feel bad for Kelly when she started crying? So we come to find out that her ex won't let the kids film right now. What did you think about that?

[Courtney]

Okay. Like, as a human, sure, I feel bad for Kelly, but I don't think it's that big of a deal if they're not being filmed. Does that change a lot of the life that you can show? Yes, probably. But at the same time, like, that's the biggest thing that's bothering you right now is that you can't film. Have your kids film. I don't know. What do you think?

[Mary]

He's clearly doing it to, like, take her to court, to financially drain her when she needs this show so badly. He's just trying to make her life miserable, which is so upsetting. And I'm sure the Kids enjoyed being on the show.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I think you make a good point.

[Mom]

Point.

[Courtney]

You make a good point. I think what you're saying is he's really trying to. With her life and mess with it so that she maybe can't do the show. Like, there's other implications of what he's doing as opposed to the kids not filming. So if I took it at face value, it doesn't really bother me. The kids can't film. But if I look at the different levels of what's happening here, then, yeah, he's just trying to ruin her life. And he doesn't seem like a good person.

[Mary]

No, he's terrible. Let's get into Angela and Pinky. This was a wild fight. Like, shots fired, nasty, mean things. Comments about looks.

[Courtney]

Well, because it start. Because it starts with. Pinky has come to the table to be the martyr for the three women who didn't show up. Cynthia, why did you put them there? What was the motive? Really Fighting their battle.

[Mary]

She.

[Courtney]

She's Pinky the crusader.

[Mary]

She's also trying to figure out housewives. She's like, so, Cynthia, were you setting them up? Did you purposely do all of this? And she's new to the show, and she's trying to figure out the dynamics. She's just like, so tell me about that. She's. She's genuinely curious, I would say.

[Courtney]

But she's also coming in hot. Like I literally said, are Red Bulls vegan? Did Pinky drink, like, three of them before she came to this dinner? Because the energy was off. Off the charts. So Angela at one point is like, why are you so bothered? Because she's referring to. Why are you so bothered? On their behalf. Everything is seemingly good. There's no ulterior motives from Cynthia. So why is this bothering you so much? But Inky can't control herself.

[Mary]

You don't pose a threat to me. There's nothing on you from head to toe that I am bothered by it all insecure about it. About what? I'm not bothered by you.

[Courtney]

What?

[Mary]

Everyone's like.

[Courtney]

It's like when K. Michelle says bimbo. The reactions of everyone at the table, too, are hilarious. I had to rewind the scene, like, three times because I was giggling. I was like, I don't even know. How did we get here? How did we get here? And instead of Angela, I mean, eventually she does, you know, try to quell it and calm it. But. But she's like, so here's what we're not gonna do. You're not gonna come for me unless I send for you, right? Kenya Moore. She's like, you're looking at the physical. Like you're giving bothered, like the way you took it.

[Mary]

Pinky's like, turn your fan on. And how much do you own in your foreclosures? And Angela's like, okay, Mr. Clean. Don't do that to me, Papa smurf.

[Courtney]

It's like, Mr. Clean. Papa Smurf.

[Mary]

You can get some new veneers because you have an overbite. And then Angela's talking about incestuous teeth that you have.

[Courtney]

What does that even mean? I was like, incestuous teeth? I'm like, okay, so they're really crooked and like hugging each other. Like I couldn't figure out, I don't know what incestuous teeth are. And I was like, this is a new sentence for me. And so I'm trying to figure out is incestuous teeth. Like, now I gotta google Pinky's teeth.

[Mary]

I what is going on here? And then Pinky says, your husband doesn't even like you. And then Angela says, well, you have a live in wife in your basement. And I'm like, where did she get that from? There has to be a little bit of truth in that. Like, are they in a throuple? Do they have an open marriage? What was that comment that came from somewhere? I feel like Angela has a lot of information and if you activate her enough, she'll use the information.

[Courtney]

Pinky seemingly has really nice teeth. Like, I'm Google. They're like very pearly white. She has a really nice smile. I don't get it, but I don't know what teeth are. And then the fact is, though, Pinky wanted to come take Angela down. Angela, she'll never mess with her again. I was like, pinky, you see what you started now though, is that for the rest of your time in the bravo sphere, you will be referred to as Papa Smurf. You will be referred to as Mr. Clean. And so you started something that you couldn't finish. And now it's gonna live with you in the lexicon of bravo isms.

[Mary]

But will Angela be Damon?

[Courtney]

Then who the hell is Damon?

[Mary]

Take off your lips, your lashes, and you and your wig, and you look like a boy.

[Courtney]

Damon. Like, what? Who is Damon? Literally, like, even the women are like, damon. And then, you know, Pinky said it, cuz she said it so off the cuff that she doesn't even know what she said. And then her brain caught up to her mouth and she was like, I got to just stick with It. I don't know who Damon is, but that. It just came out of my mouth. I got to go with it. The lashes was funny too. Cuz she was like. The lashes. Oh, like the lash glue that you borrowed from me earlier. And they show Portia putting it on her. I was like, these women are so funny because Angela also is too. Is like foreclosure. Like, I don't owe any money. They've already taken babe. I've already gone through the bankruptcy. Like, I'm done. I'm on the other side of it. You're just getting started. I can throw a stone and hit 10 people that you owe.

[Mary]

I know, I know. This was just like such a deep cutting fight. I mean, they're talking about finances, they're talking about looks, they're talking about. About their relationships with their husbands. There was so much to unpack here. But then it felt like they were almost kind of like, moved on. Pinky got up, then sat back down to finish it and kiss my ass.

[Courtney]

Kiss my ass. Pedro the dunk ologist is like, if you're gonna ask me to kiss your ass, it better be juicy. Okay. Like, I don't want something flat. It needs to be high and up. Okay. I don't know what happened, but I fucking loved it. Like, this was to me, a top fight of recent times because it was like tit for tat. They were one upping each other with every read that they had that I was like, damon, Papa Smurf, incestuous teeth.

[Mary]

What are these?

[Courtney]

I love it. And then Pinky finally is like, I don't want to argue with you. Andrew's like, okay, but like, your tone was aggressive. Okay, moving on.

[Mary]

Like, we can agree to disagree.

[Courtney]

The. The saying of when they go low, we go high. And Angela's like, take me to hell.

[Mary]

Two tickets to hell.

[Courtney]

Two tickets to hell. I mean, this episode was so good because it was literally crazy. Like, that fight is so freaking silly. And the fact is, too, is, like, that's not the only thing that happened. That was the last 15 minutes of the episode. We had 45 minutes of nonsense before that. Yeah.

[Mary]

I'm very excited to see who comes. Like, as the couples. Like, do you think K. Michelle's dentist husband will come without the prenup?

[Courtney]

Why? Because he'd be legally required to if not.

[Mary]

No, I'm just. Do you think he'll come?

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Okay. Or he has business. Yeah. I'm like, very curious. How many of the men will show up?

[Courtney]

Well, it's like, who's the thirstiest because they'll be there. So Black is going to show up whether he was invited or not.

[Mary]

Shamia's husband will not. Kelly won't have anybody. Cynthia. We pray that that guy comes.

[Courtney]

That Amsterdam prince better show up. Phaedra. I mean, she's single now. I'm still. What the hell do you mean you're single? You literally had a boyfriend. Episode one.

[Mary]

Portia is gonna bring Mike. Phaedra. It is unclear if she has a boyfriend or not.

[Courtney]

So no partners are really coming. Just the desperados who want to be on tv. All the people who are in situationships or situationships for the camera, they'll be there.

[Mary]

And I can't wait to see more of Adrienne Maloof. Yeah.

[Courtney]

All right, well, we'll be back with Summer House later. See you then. Wait.

[Mary]

Bye.

[Courtney]

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