TJG: RHOA S17 E6!

Summary

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Two Judgey Girls: RHOA S17 E6!

Podcast: Two Judgey Girls
Hosts: Mary (The Bay) & Courtney (LA)
Date: May 12, 2026

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Episode Overview

This week, Mary and Courtney dive into the chaos and drama of The Real Housewives of Atlanta Season 17, Episode 6. From explosive fights in sprinter vans to glam overload, sleeping-around rumors, and the politics of house assignments, the girls break down all the juicy moments and behind-the-scenes machinations on the cast trip. With signature wit and incisiveness, they explore interpersonal dynamics among the Atlanta housewives and give listeners their take on the most memorable moments from this barnstormer of an episode.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Escalating Fights and Rumors ([03:25]–[05:38])

• The episode picks up with the aftermath of the previous night's drama, setting the stage for more chaos on the group trip.
• Courtney: "These fights are getting insane." ([03:34])
• Mary comments on shifting allegiances and wild accusations about sleeping with married men, especially the Portia vs. Kelly saga.
• They speculate whether Portia has the "right name" when making her accusations, with Mary suggesting the rumor mill often gets things twisted ([04:18]).
• The infamous R. Kelly quip and an escalation of name-calling (e.g., "Bigfoot" and "giraffe") lead to laughs but underscore how low things are getting.
• Memorable Quote:
  • Mary: "We're fighting about sleeping with married men... Wild topic in general." ([04:39])
• Courtney highlights how the Simon storyline (Portia's fiancé) began on-camera while he was still married, pondering the messiness and secrecy involved ([04:57]).

2. Alcohol-Fueled Mayhem and Trip Dynamics ([05:49]–[08:22])

• The nonstop drinking is a recurring theme—double shots of Jack Daniels by 9 AM set the tone.
• Mary: "I'm with Cynthia, I'm like, I need a nap." ([06:03])
• The hosts evaluate the two trip options: watching cows herded down Main Street vs. dressage (horse event), revealing personal preferences for rural adventures or barn wine tastings.
• They note production logistics often remove the group from civilization to accommodate both filming and cast size, observing similarities to other Bravo shows ([07:11]).
• Mary explains the tension between Shamia and Kelly is partly due to the politics of being in the "outhouse" rather than the "main house," which subtly reinforces housewife hierarchy ([07:31]).
• Memorable Moment:
  • Courtney jokes about Shamia having to "hold those [farts] closed" because of sharing beds, making bathroom humor out of house assignments ([08:19]).

3. Cynthia’s OG Energy & Housewife Peacemaking ([08:30]–[10:16])

• Mary celebrates Cynthia’s ability to set boundaries with the other women, positioning herself as a solid "housewife" rather than just a "friend of" ([08:30]).
• Courtney: "You can't keep going. It's over with."—Praising Cynthia for shutting down ongoing complaints ([08:49]).
• Comparing to past trips (notably the Colorado chaos), they recognize the accommodations are actually quite nice, contrary to complaints.
• Drew’s comic impression of Shamia gets a special shout-out for bringing much-needed comedy to the episode ([09:00]).

4. Glam Overload & Bravo Meta ([10:47]–[12:30])

• Mary voices her annoyance at scenes devoted to glam preparation, which break the fourth wall and detract from show immersion. She proposes Bravo institutes glam restrictions ([11:39]).
• Courtney admires Kyle Richards for not bringing glam on trips, despite being able to afford it—a move that feels more authentic ([11:39]).
• The hosts laugh at Angela turning up to the stables inappropriately overdressed: "You are dressed for a garden party. What's going on here?" ([12:06])
• When Phaedra (who claims to be an equestrian) won't ride because her wig isn’t glued down, it's another memorable moment ([12:30]).

5. Food Fights & Accommodating Vegans ([13:09]–[14:22])

• Discussion shifts to Pinky’s veganism and whether Cynthia (as host) should have ensured vegan options, or Pinky should fend for herself.
• Courtney insists every restaurant has vegan options, while Mary points out that’s not always the case outside big cities ([13:54]).
• Mary: "...But ordering sides as opposed to a real meal is different." ([14:13])

6. Restaurant Drama and Blood Types ([14:36]–[16:41])

• A near-reconciliation between Drew and Shamia falls apart when Drew brings up Shamia's mother at lunch, leading to public drama in a full restaurant ([14:36]).
• They joke about unknown blood types and riff on medical records:
  • Courtney: "It's in your files. You know."
  • Mary: "Where do you have those files stored? In a fireproof safe."
  • Courtney: "Kaiser Permanente." ([15:22]–[15:32])
• Cynthia asserts dominance again, shutting down a convoluted argument involving Pinky and Angela over being called "aggressive," clarifying she’s "powerful and strong" ([16:23]).

7. Car Ride, DMs, and Outfits ([23:51]–[25:49])

• After an ad break, they jump into K. Michelle's claims about DMs with Black, emphasizing her "cake baking"—which is literal, not a euphemism ([23:56]).
• Mary notices discrepancies in editing (K. Michelle holding a Celsius can the whole time) and hints at Bravo’s manipulation of timeline ([24:23]).
• Weekly commentary on K. Michelle's futuristic silver confessional look, especially her "silver bolt on nipples" ([25:30]).

8. Relationships, Authenticity & Hierarchy ([25:59]–[30:28])

• The hosts clarify Phaedra’s relationship status ("single when I want to be") and speculate on which men will show up at the upcoming gala ([26:12]).
• Dynamic between Shamia and Portia gets analyzed: was their continued estrangement more instigated by Portia or Shamia? Mary leans toward Shamia, who has tried to move from sidekick to queen bee ([27:47]).
• Real money as a housewife requirement comes up, with Courtney wishing more of the cast were truly wealthy to fulfill the original premise of the show ([28:34]–[28:53]).
• Mary praises "authentic housewives" who are the same on- and off-screen, like Lisa Barlow on RHOSLC ([29:35]).

9. Class, Finances & Hypocrisy ([30:28]–[31:20])

• Pinky's claim that she "built her business on her back" without "lay[ing] on her back," clearly targeting Angela, is called out as hypocritical since Pinky’s husband may bail her out of bankruptcy ([30:35]).
• Mary notes: "Rules for thee and not for me. But the hypocrisy is wild, which makes for a great show..." ([30:49]).

10. Sprinter Van Showdown: Messy Allegiances ([31:20]–[35:14])

• Hosting and alcohol combine to ignite van drama. Angela stirs the pot by asking who missed Kelly’s grand opening, quickly spiraling the conversation to accusations about sleeping with married men ([31:43]).
• Mary calls out the absurd escalation: "Thank you for grand opening will lead to married men conversation." ([33:12])
• The "R. Kelly" and "Frito Chili Cheese Pussy" insults are highlighted as so over-the-top, even the hosts are bewildered.
  • Courtney: "It was the Frito Chili cheese Pussy that really threw me off on this one, you know?" ([34:41])
• Courtney and Mary both express love for these jam-packed trip episodes where one day’s events provide endless drama and cliffhangers ([35:34]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Mary ([04:39]): "The fact that we're fighting about sleeping with married men is a wild topic in general..."
• Courtney ([06:10]): "Honestly, I felt like it was 9am they were taking double shots of Jack Daniels."
• Mary ([08:30]): "Cynthia was like, let me tell you what's not gonna happen. I loved Cynthia this episode."
• Courtney ([09:35]): "'You look like the alien in your movie.' And Drew's right back, 'okay, miss proportion.'"
• Mary ([11:39]): "It's almost like I feel like there needs to be some glam rule."
• Courtney ([12:06]): "Angela, where did you think you were going? Like, you are dressed for our garden party. What's going on here?"
• Mary ([13:54]): "I think you don't realize that living in a metropolitan city like you do...where LA is probably the best place that you could be a vegan."
• Courtney ([16:04]): "I got very OG energy. Top dog. You will listen."
• Mary ([25:30]): "This week I really noticed the silver bolt on nipples."
• Mary ([30:49]): "Rules for thee and not for me. But yet the hypocrisy is wild, which makes for a great show, to be honest."
• Mary ([33:12]): "It's wild to think thank you for grand opening will lead to married men conversation."
• Courtney ([34:41]): "It was the Frito Chili cheese Pussy that really threw me off on this one, you know?"

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Important Timestamps

• [03:25]: Episode start/discussion pickup after ads
• [04:39]: Debating rumors about sleeping with married men
• [06:10]: Drinking before noon; trip recap
• [08:30]: Cynthia’s leadership and house tension
• [11:39]: Glam overload and breaking the fourth wall
• [12:06]: Angela's outfit at the stables
• [13:54]: Vegan accommodations and host responsibilities
• [14:36]: Restaurant drama between Drew & Shamia
• [25:30]: K. Michelle’s futuristic confessional look
• [26:12]: Phaedra’s relationship status (finally clarified)
• [33:12]: From thanking to fighting in the sprinter van
• [34:41]: Over-the-top insults hit a new low

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Overall Tone & Final Thoughts

• The hosts are sharp, witty, and playful, alternating between tongue-in-cheek shade and genuine affection for the cast.
• The tone is conversational and gossipy, with authentic reactions to Bravo’s increasing meta-moments and production manipulations.
• Mary and Courtney are both amused and exasperated by the never-ending swirl of drama, hypocrisy, and memorable one-liners.

Courtney ([36:07]): "We're gonna enter back into the sprinter van and I think there's gonna be more name callings to be had."
Mary ([36:15]): "I'm so nervous... They are all able to read each other and say really mean, nasty things. And I believe all have dirt on each other. I think that they spend the off season making sure that they are all collaborating and corroborating and writing it all down. Checking their list and checking it twice."
Mary ([36:41]): "Phaedra has the files and it's not with Kaiser Permanente."
Courtney ([36:51]): "Like, I watch and I sit down, I'm like, I gotta go pop some popcorn."

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If you haven't listened:
Expect wild rumors, savage one-liners, drunken antics, and some classic Housewives hierarchy-wrangling—and know that, as always, the drama is "To Be Continued..."

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Transcript

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[Mary]

This is Mary from the Bay and Courtney from la. Let's just jump right into Atlanta. Another great episode.

[Courtney]

These fights are getting insane.

[Mary]

You start one place where we're just recovering from the night before and then we end in a sprinter van and R. Kelly is involved.

[Courtney]

It was legitimately insane. And I don't know what is the right side to be on, Portia or Kelly.

[Mary]

I think we're just on team audience. This is for us. I do wonder, like, is there a married man involved? To me, I think there is one. I think Phaedra was thinking outside of this show, wanting to protect this woman who may or may not know about the dalliance of her husband, who didn't sign up to be a housewife and be on tv. I did actually really like that from Phaedra.

[Courtney]

It was shocking. She's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Do not drop the name. Like, Portia was so, so fast because Kelly was trying to call her bluff. Like, say it. Say the name. Say the name. For some reason, I've also made up in my head that Portia has the wrong name.

[Mary]

So Kelly's like, go ahead and say it because you're definitely wrong on that.

[Courtney]

Yes.

[Mary]

Yes. Okay, well then it's like the fact that we're fighting about sleeping with married men is a wild topic in general because Portia's like, no, I didn't like. So Simon, what's happening there now? I don't know. The inner workings, maybe at the end of the day she didn't, but that seems to be the going rumor.

[Courtney]

I mean, the fact that we saw her meet Simon on camera when he was married to Fallon is actually insane. And it sounds like they were in each other's DMS for a while. So I bet there was some crossover that all happened so fast and it's kind of crazy that they were able to keep it private.

[Mary]

Well, that's because Portia was off the show.

[Courtney]

Right, right, right.

[Mary]

And then came back. And then we end too, with talking about scissoring and that Kelly wanted to scissor Portia. And then she's like, I don't want to scissor you with your Frito chili cheese pussy.

[Courtney]

And they the name calling in Atlanta. The giraffe one Bigfoot. I. Courtney just keeps on ticking her head back and forth watching a tennis match.

[Mary]

By the way, to be continued. We're coming right back to the sprinter van. Also, too, we do have to say is the beginning of the episode when we're in the next day, we've started drinking and we are continuing until that sprinter van. Like, we're taking shots of Jack Daniels. We're doing tequila doubles. It's like the amount of alcohol I'm with Cynthia, I'm like, I need a nap.

[Courtney]

Honestly, I felt like it was 9am they were taking double shots of Jack Daniels. They had a blast.

[Mary]

They were having a good time. Now, which trip of the separation trip would you want to be on? Do you want to go to dressage with the horses, or do you want to go into town and watch the cows walk down main Street?

[Courtney]

Well, I think it was unfortunate that they only saw five minutes of that. I think I'd rather do that than have a wine tasting in manure.

[Mary]

Yeah, I do see why you want that. But I think I'd want to be with the dressage group.

[Courtney]

Sure, sure. For me, it was being in that barn and having to wine taste. I think that would have been a trouble.

[Mary]

Hot. And yes. They're like, what are you getting notes of? And they're like, well, it's not grapes. Tell you that. It was not grapes. But I also feel like this house is so far away that for them to go anywhere they are in that spurner, it's like, did angel plan this? Just tell us she did.

[Courtney]

I know. Why is production setting up these accommodations so far from civilization? It's actually insane. And it has to be because they need such a big space to fit production in the vicinity as well. I mean, on the valley, they have three separate houses at this point.

[Mary]

Yeah, well, and here they do too. They have the main house, the outhouse, and Pinky's house. And I'm sorry, but Shamia and Kelly are deriving me insane. And Cynthia kind of nailed it that they're just pissed that they are the outcast housewives in a way. And that's somewhat what we said last week, right? Is at the end of the day, they're mad they're not in the main house because it's trying to tell them where their pecking order is.

[Courtney]

Well, I think it's really funny, too, because Shamia was trying to walk that back later. Like, when they got into this murder, man, she was like, cynthia, thank you, thank you, thank you. Just trying to be super appreciative. Over the top because it was finally cleaned, you know? And Shamia could not fart freely because she had to share a bed with Kelly.

[Mary]

She had to hold those closed.

[Courtney]

She was giving Kelly Dutch ovens all night. She felt so uncomfortable about it.

[Mary]

But Cynthia was like, let me tell you what's not gonna happen. I loved Cynthia this episode. She is giving me such housewife status and not friend of, but just letting them know, like, that's enough. We're not talking about this anymore. You told me the problem. I told you I was gonna fix it, but you can't keep going. It's over with.

[Courtney]

Also funny, because I feel like I'm comparing this trip so much to Colorado in a way. And they had never seen the Colorado situation yet.

[Mary]

These accommodations are so nice. And Drew calls that out too. And I loved. I was loving Drew this episode, too. Her impression of Shamia when she was talking to Cynthia and, like, doing her shaking and all of that, it was cracking me up. But Drew was like, hold on. First off, it was that the place was dirty, but now you're trying to say you're not used to accommodations like that, except that the accommodations are really nice. So choose a lane, because now you're actually sticking your foot in your mouth, and you're making this a big deal. There's a difference between being dirty and then not having a nice place to. To stay.

[Courtney]

When Kelly goes, what's wrong with your neck, Drew?

[Mary]

And she said, you look like the alien in your movie. And Drew's right back, okay, missed proportion.

[Courtney]

The name calling's out of hand here, to be honest.

[Mary]

It's like, I don't even know what I was like. Did I hear that right? I had to rewind it. I was like, wait, Drew, it's kind of funny. Not nice. Not nice, but kind of funny. I know. And Cynthia said, too. If it's not done, I will literally clean it myself. You're dragging me. I'm doing the best. Stop talking about it.

[Courtney]

And I also feel like Cynthia's like, literally, I didn't even plan this trip. It's production, okay? I don't have that much power.

[Mary]

And she's like, are you trying to sabotage my trip? And the gala? And that was when Shamia was like, oh, I saw 50 Cent. I saw her here, and I am actually nervous.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary]

And okay, so then because they're traveling so far, they just catch the tail end of the cow herding down the street. And when they were like, so that was it.

[Courtney]

They saw three minutes of it. But also, what do you really see? It's just cows walking down the street, correct?

[Mary]

Yeah, it's just the cows. They're literally herding the cows from point A to point B, and they do it twice a day. Okay, here's something that was also bothering me about this too. And this is the same complaint that I've had with, like, Beverly Hills and the glam of it all. Okay? So that morning, everyone is getting in their costumes. I mean, outfits. They're taking their photo shoots. They're, like, doing all of this stuff. And it's like, that takes me out of the show. Like, K. Michelle going against the wall to do her glam in her outfit. Portia and Phage are doing that. It's like, when I see the behind the scenes of the glam, I just don't like it because it's. We had this issue the night before where K. Michelle wouldn't film without glam. Except she's filming.

[Courtney]

Right? Right.

[Mary]

And then we're doing all this. I'm like, now we're wasting time. We have places to go. It's almost like I feel like there needs to be some glam rule.

[Courtney]

I, I agree with that, with you. And I love that Kyle Richards has the money and doesn't bring glam. Like, she could easily do it, and she doesn't. I, I, I agree with you. But I did think it was so funny that all the girls were dressed for the horses and Angela comes down in, like, a green satin dress and heels to go to the stables. Like, Angela, where did you think you were going? Like, you are dressed for our garden party. What's going on here?

[Mary]

She was there for the wine tasting in the barn. Okay. But she thought it was like a. Like a refurbished barn, you know, like how people do weddings in barns. Like, I feel like that's what Angela. She didn't think it was the stable.

[Courtney]

Right.

[Mary]

And to be fair, she was just fine at the end of the day, because not one of those women were gonna get on those horses, even though Phaedra has the background. But she couldn't, because she didn't Glue down her wig.

[Courtney]

When Phaedra didn't get on the horse, I was shocked. She kept on talking herself up like, I rode all through college dressage. I. I've never heard of that. You have?

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Oh, okay.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Tell me more about it.

[Mary]

Phaedra told us everything. It's a way of riding horses and a way to compete. I mean, not fluent in dressage. I've heard of it. I mean, no idea. With horses. You know, I don't like people riding horses. I also didn't like when they were posing on that cow in the town, and Shamia had her heels up on the cow. And it really bothered me, and I have to stop it.

[Courtney]

I know when Pinky wouldn't get on it because she's vegan. If I have to hear one more time about Pinky being vegan and then her being upset going to this restaurant, it's like, there's always a vegan option.

[Mary]

I mean, she could have gotten a salad, sure, but.

[Courtney]

Exactly. You can get lettuce. You can get French fries.

[Mary]

Okay. But I think what also bothers me about that, where I was going to side with Pinky on this.

[Courtney]

Oh, my God, no.

[Mary]

Okay. If I'm planning a trip, though, and I know that somebody has those type of accommodations needed. Right. She's vegan now. Could she ask production, can you make sure there's vegan options for me? But as the host, Cynthia being like, well, she should have brought snacks. It's like, well, maybe we could also have made sure that there was some sort of option for her.

[Courtney]

Every restaurant has vegan options.

[Mary]

I think you don't realize that living in a metropolitan city like you do in San Francisco and la, where LA is probably the best place that you could be a vegan because of all the different dietary restrictions that people have.

[Courtney]

You can get salad, fries. You can get anything. Anything that doesn't come from an animal. I'm sure their sides of vegetable.

[Mary]

Okay. But ordering sides as opposed to a real meal is different. I don't. I don't really know where they're at in Fort Worth. They look like a very small town that they were at with the main street.

[Courtney]

I think it's Pinky's choice to have her diet, and she needs to deal with it.

[Mary]

Blink Twice, that remix song of Blink Twice, I was like, okay, what was that?

[Courtney]

Too much was happening in this episode.

[Mary]

I know. Okay, let's talk about this lunch, though, because Drew and Shamia were so close to making up until Drew had to mention Shamia's mom. But they were so close. And then finally, Cynthia's like, can you sit down? We're in a restaurant. And I did think at first that they were in kind of a private area until when they stood up and gave an angle from, like, Drew's space. And I was like, oh, no, the restaurant is full.

[Courtney]

Right, right.

[Mary]

Like, they are putting on a show at this point. And we didn't get any resolution, minus the fact that they have the same blood type that was.

[Courtney]

That's a rare blood type, too. Oh, I believe.

[Mary]

Do you know your blood type?

[Courtney]

No.

[Mary]

I don't either. And I think I need to, even though, like, I feel like I've given blood. Like, I should know it.

[Courtney]

Yeah. I don't know what it is off the top of my head. It's in the file.

[Mary]

You ever written down somewhere?

[Courtney]

It's in your files. You know,

[Mary]

where do you have those files stored? In a fireproof safe.

[Courtney]

Kaiser Permanente.

[Mary]

Oh, it's in their files.

[Courtney]

Exactly.

[Mary]

Release the files. Okay. So then they also start talking to Pinky. Cynthia's open this up. And they're like, look, you didn't have all the information about it. And Pinky's like, well, I just heard from them. So I had their backstory. So are you clear with that? Cynthia being like, oh, I'm clear. Like, oh, do not mess with Cynthia.

[Courtney]

I got very OG energy. Top dog. You will listen.

[Mary]

Like, you came in hot. You started a conversation, and you ran the whole conversation like, you need to open up the floor. And Peaky knows she's in the wrong. And also, she lost that argument with Angela.

[Courtney]

She's pretty upset in her confessional because of the word aggressive. And Drew said that word. Cynthia did not. She said Kurt. But she says in her confessional, like, no, I am powerful. I am strong, and I will stand in my truth. So I'm sure this is going to come up again.

[Mary]

I'm sure. I'm sure. Okay, let's take a break, and then let's talk about the wine tasting.

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She thought she's going to a garden party. As you said, she didn't get the Dynasty stuff either.

[Courtney]

Okay, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. So then K. Michelle starts talking about black and we go a little bit more into the DMs because Drew's like, oh, you talk to black. And K. Michelle's like, no, no, no. I want to be very clear about this. I'm a married woman and he likes my cake baking. I was like, what is that code for no guys, she really bakes cakes.

[Mary]

You know, I did find it interesting though when they showed a screenshot of their DMs and K. Michelle being like, thank you, handsome. But I'd love to also talk about because this is all happening in the car ride now. They make it seem like it's the car ride there and back. But I do notice that she's holding the same Celsius can. So I'm going to call editing BS on this. But when she starts talking about how she likes Shamia.

[Courtney]

I know.

[Mary]

And Jay on holiday,

[Courtney]

I love her so much. You find out a little bit more each week. You know, she's like you. It's not cheating if you openly say it.

[Mary]

And my husband knows. I know. He's aware. The girls, they'll come up to me at the concert and they'll say, a holiday is coming up. And she said, okay. We also. Okay. Every week that she's in this silver confessional look. I look deeper and deeper into this look, and it is actually a hilarious outfit. So the bra is, like, very silver bandaged. But then this week, I really noticed the silver bolt on nipples.

[Courtney]

Oh, wow. That's something for me to look out for next week.

[Mary]

Yeah, yeah, take a look next week. And it's like she's giving me, like, robot fembot, like, futuristic cowgirl.

[Courtney]

Sure, that sounds fun.

[Mary]

And it's an insane look. And yet every week I'm, like, mesmerized by it.

[Courtney]

Do you think Shamia would be into it?

[Mary]

She could be. I don't think Gerald would be happy with this.

[Courtney]

He would not be at all. No, he would.

[Mary]

He would be pretty upset about it.

[Courtney]

We. And we finally got confirmation this week that Phaedra and that guy are, you know, not the real deal. They're having fun. She is playing the field. It's nothing serious. And I'm glad we cleared that up.

[Mary]

Week after week, we asked, is she single or is she not? And she said, I'm single when I want to be and take it when I want to be. And I love this. I love that. So do you think too, then, he's coming to the gala or.

[Courtney]

No, I'm confused. The men that are actually going to

[Mary]

show up, because it sounds like Black is coming. And Drew, she loves that man. And when Cynthia was like, ralph better get out of the basement. Like, well, he's taking the whole house, Cynthia.

[Courtney]

I know, I know. I feel like she's not together with Black right now.

[Mary]

I don't think she ever was.

[Courtney]

I know, but I do think she loves him.

[Mary]

I don't think she's, like, in love with him. I think she loves what he, like, provides for her, which is maybe what Che Che does for Phaedra.

[Courtney]

Sure. I wonder if he is gonna come.

[Mary]

I think Black will be there. Maybe this Italian man who's doing the wine tasting will be Phaedra's date instead.

[Courtney]

She's into an Italian man. She told us that.

[Mary]

Yeah. Okay. So back at the house, we talked, Cynthia and Drew. And I did also start to think. I was like, I think Cynthia's onto something. Besides the fact that I think that they feel like maybe the outcast housewives. I do think that Shamia leads with humor in general. Like, I think she leads with humor. And I think that she does not like to talk about problem problems.

[Courtney]

Well, it's sad that Portia has been her best friend for decades, and now because they both did this show at the same time, they're on the outs.

[Mary]

Do you think that's more from Shamia or more from Portia, though?

[Courtney]

From Portia.

[Mary]

See, I think Shamia pushed it more so, like, I don't know that Portia wanted her necessarily on the show, even though at that reunion, Portia's like, I literally have recommended you. Cindy confirmed that. But I do think that Portia likes being the alpha in that relationship and Shamia being her sidekick. But I also think that Shamia pushed it too far her first season and wants to be the queen bee of the group more so than Portia and is realizing in real time by being put in the double outside of the main house. Oh, I'm not.

[Courtney]

We were obsessed with Shamia last year. She was so refreshing. It was nice to see someone have a lot of money because, you know, that's important to me in a housewife. I want them to have real money. I don't want to see struggling.

[Mary]

Okay, does this. Half of this class must bother you.

[Courtney]

But the show was created to look behind the gates. It's this affluent life. I want to see obnoxious amounts of money in my housewife personally. Okay, well, we got to get rid of a lot of them that married. I know, I know.

[Mary]

I would say 75% of the housewives we would have to get rid of.

[Courtney]

So true. So true. But Shamia has it. This is why I don't like, like, a Gina and Emily, you know?

[Mary]

I know, But I'm saying we got rid of them. We would have so little shows. What would we do? Talk to people outside,

[Courtney]

find people with real money for these shows. That's what I.

[Mary]

Okay, okay.

[Courtney]

But I loved Shamia last year so much, and now I can really feel that she is, like, second tier, and she's trying a little bit too hard, and it's kind of turning me off.

[Mary]

I don't even think that she's second tier. I think the problem is, is that she's trying too hard to be that queen bee in her second season. And her and Kelly are really trying to, like, push that. They're the best. They're the best. And it's like, if you didn't try that hard, you'd probably be a lot more likable because you'd be more authentically yourself. Which is what I look for in a housewife is people who are just so authentically themselves. Like, when people can't stand Lisa Barlow. I'm like, but she is so exactly Lisa Barlow. That. That is why I love her. Whether it's delusion or not, she is what you see is what you get with her. And so I think when you're trying to do too much, sometimes it just doesn't work. And so it feels put upon. And if we wanted to move into the Kelly and Pinky conversation, when Kelly and Pinky are talking about their businesses and how they're in a different tier, and when Pinky also talks about how she's in a different tactic bracket than Angela, I'm like, aren't you both filing for bankruptcy?

[Courtney]

I know, but I. I think it was an interesting point that she made that she made her own money.

[Mary]

I built my business on my back. I didn't have to lay on my back to get there. Talking about Angela, which I'm like, why is there so much beef with Angela? But then I'm like, okay, but isn't your husband now bailing you out of that bankruptcy?

[Courtney]

I don't think that's been confirmed.

[Mary]

Well, he said he would, though, so I guess it's just, you know, it feels like a really harsh statement towards Angela. When it's like, also, then we, like fast forward, we're like, kelly, did you sleep with a married man? It's like, oh, my God. Rules for thee and not for me. But yet the hypocrisy is wild, which makes for a great show, to be honest. But it felt like that was just such a strange statement to make. I don't understand. I also was like, episode one, they introduced that there is beef between Kelly and Pinky, and yet there isn't right now. I don't get it.

[Courtney]

It's a good point. I'm. I'm not sure, but I was actually very shocked that Shamia wasn't trying to help Kelly when she was fighting with Portia in the car.

[Mary]

I don't think it was a fight to even get yourself involved in. I also want to, like, blame alcohol on all of this too, because it was drinking all day till now. Everyone's getting in. I'm like, oh, my God, how far are we driving now?

[Courtney]

Well, and Angela definitely riled up the group. Well, of course, because Kelly is wanting to say you for everyone for coming to her grand opening. And Angela's like, so who wasn't there? Like, so messy. It's in her DNA. And then this just, like, ignites the fight between Kelly and Portia because Kelly's still mad at Portia. For saying she slept with a married men. And then Kelly brings the R. Kelly thing to the the light.

[Mary]

I'm laughing that Kelly is thanking everyone for the support because I do think she wanted to bring up something with Portia, though, because this grand opening was, like, weeks ago. We've been to Slutty Vegan for the charity event that Pinky threw. We've done so many other events. It felt like she wanted to start something. I feel like Kelly is in this place right now where she's like, this show. I need this show. Like, I need the paycheck from this show. And so she's constantly thinking of ways to start stuff with people. It's like Drew earlier with Alien Comment, starting this with the grand opening. I feel like she wanted someone to pick up on that. And whether she was working with Angela or not, she wanted to go off on Portia.

[Courtney]

Well, I mean, she had to defend herself a little bit. If someone's going around town saying, you slept with a married man and you want to deny that, then I would bring up if they also slept with a married man.

[Mary]

Well, I guess what I'm saying is when you thank someone for a grand opening and then they say who wasn't there, and then it goes into the married man, it's wild to think thank you for grand opening will lead to married men conversation.

[Courtney]

I also think Shamia might have been the person that told Portia because Kelly says some comment like, no. And then I met Shamia down in the lobby for dinner or something like that.

[Mary]

Drawers were down. Yeah. Talked about her underwear being off, and she's like, well, they were. Because when I got off the flight, I went to my room, took a shower, and then met Shamia downstairs for dinner.

[Courtney]

So it feels like Shamia knows something.

[Mary]

I think Shamia knows a lot.

[Courtney]

Why? I was curious that Shamia didn't jump in trying to protect her at all.

[Mary]

She. Because she knew she was being messy.

[Courtney]

But do you think Portia heard it from the man or Shamia?

[Mary]

Well, she's claiming the man that was talking to the hot dog king. Remember, like, on the phone. Like, that's how she got the. The game of telephone here is like, I feel like that Charlie Day meme where he's just got all the photos up with the red yarn, trying to connect the do that. I'm like, I don't even. I don't want to know about this.

[Courtney]

I do. I do.

[Mary]

I mean, I do. I do.

[Courtney]

And I want to know where they took the flight to, what hotel, restaurant they Went to.

[Mary]

Oh, this was in la. This was the BET weekend.

[Courtney]

Oh, yeah, that's right. Okay. Okay.

[Mary]

Yeah, I know you would forget that because so much happens weekends.

[Courtney]

It was the Frito Chili cheese Pussy that really threw me off on this one, you know?

[Mary]

R. Kelly. And then when, when K. Michelle starts naming the songs of him, I'm like, I think it's the same K. I just.

[Courtney]

R. Kelly.

[Mary]

Right? That's not something we want to be bragging about.

[Courtney]

No.

[Mary]

How did we get here? We're thinking for a grand opening now. We're talking R. Kelly. We're talking drawers off. We are talking about sleeping with married men. Didn't you do it too? We're fighting about that and we're talking about chili cheese.

[Courtney]

There's a lot going on in Atlanta. It. And it's going to be. To be continued.

[Mary]

We haven't even gotten to the gala

[Courtney]

and we don't even know who's coming to the gala.

[Mary]

We are. Well, I would say 36 hours, but there's been a lot of travel time that you have to add into that.

[Courtney]

Right. But five hours to get to the cattle herding and the five hours to get back.

[Mary]

We took a private plane and then we drove three to five hours to get to the house. So, like, I don't actually know what time the day started. The day before we've had one meal at this house and now we're going to dinner the next day. These are the episodes I love that are trip episodes that are full. You get just one day. Like we are just doing a 12 hour ST in this episode. And I love that because so much happens. I feel like Salt Lake is really good at that too. For their vacation episodes that you're just like. To be continued. The whole thing is the gala here and we haven't even gotten close to that.

[Courtney]

We're gonna enter back into the sprinter van and I think there's gonna be more name callings to be had.

[Mary]

I'm so nervous. I'm nervous for all of them because, like, they are all able to read each other and say really mean, nasty things. And I believe all have dirt on each other. I think that they spend the off season making sure that they are all collaborating and corroborating and writing it all down. Checking their list and checking it twice.

[Courtney]

Phaedra has the files and it's not with Kaiser Permanente.

[Mary]

It is not. It's with the morgue. Thank you for this season. I'm so happy every episode. Like, I watch and I sit down, I'm like, I gotta go pop some popcorn.

[Courtney]

I don't even like popcorn. You don't like popcorn? No.

[Mary]

Really?

[Courtney]

Oh, it's the best.

[Mary]

I like a kettle corn. Okay.

[Courtney]

Fair.

[Mary]

Is that okay?

[Courtney]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[Mary]

Yeah. So I'm a kettle corn girl, not a regular popcorn.

[Courtney]

Do you put butter on yours if I'm being naughty? Yeah.

[Mary]

How often are you naughty when you have popcorn?

[Courtney]

Not often.

[Mary]

Okay. Good girl.

[Courtney]

It's like a treat.

[Mary]

Oh. And with that, we can sign off.

[Courtney]

Bye.

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