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Mary
Welcome back to two Judgy Girls. This is Mary from the bay and
Courtney
it's Courtney from la. Mary, a big day. I have to tell you something.
Mary
Tell me.
Courtney
This is our 800th episode.
Mary
I can't believe we've done something for 800 times. What else have you done 800 times?
Courtney
This is a big deal. We made it to 800 and we're not stopping.
Mary
I wanted to shout out to all the people that have been with us since the beginning. If you know 10k by Labor Day, you know, what a journey, what a ride. This past year has been just insane. And I'm just so excited. I can say, like, my full time job is a podcaster. I feel like, cool saying that. I mean, come on.
Courtney
Wait, so when people ask you, oh, what do you do for a living? What do you say?
Mary
I say, I have a podcast. What do you say?
Courtney
I say, I'm a CEO and founder of what? A podcast. Okay. But really exciting because this coincides with a fun trip that we're doing. And if you are a member of our Patreon, you've known about this because we discussed it earlier this week. So, you know, subtle plug. Patreon.com 2judgygirls by the time most of you listen to this, the two of us will be in New York.
Mary
I am so excited. We got invited to the Rugged the Real Housewives Ultimate Girls trip premiere party. I am so excited. This will be the first time I have met Kyle Richards in person. In my mind. This party's gonna be very small, very intimate, and I'm gonna get a moment with Kyle. She saw that one TikTok that I was like, kyle, you did the music video with Morgan and I'm really regretting. Should I delete that before we go?
Courtney
No, you want the truth. You're just always searching for the truth.
Mary
Who do you think Kyle's like, plus one's gonna be? Or who's she gonna bring? Like, is it gonna be Sophia? Would Ted, who's going to be her, you know, emotional support friend?
Courtney
Does she have one? I mean, all the girls could go together. The only married people on that cast are Teresa and Lisa Barlow, so they could just be going as a cast together.
Mary
Oh, my God. Wait, what? Morgan Wade Kane. And she sang a song there that would be insane.
Courtney
Like, she just sings psychopath. You guys, Mary would be front row with her phone with the flashlight. She's got a lighter in the other hand. Just like this is the only song I listen to. It made my top five of Spotify.
Mary
And then, like, Lou sees my lighter and she's like, hey, honey, I got
Courtney
a sig for that. And then you get to smoke your cig with Lou. Wow, this is really turning out to be a really fantastic night for you.
Mary
I know. I gotta buy a pack of smokes
Courtney
just in case she asks. Just in case you're her emotional smoke person. My hope is that we go, because it's the 20th anniversary is. It's not just the ultimate girls trip, girlies. It's like, tons of Bravo cast members that are just there to celebrate this big achievement of 20 years. I want, like, a chic C' est la vie performance from Lou that goes into the baby gorgeous of Lisa Barlow. Melissa Gorga shows up, and she does on display, and it just goes housewife to housewife, and it ends in a Meredith Marks back to back with Dorinda DJ set. Maybe the pretty mess shows up too, to.
Mary
Okay. Do you think there will actually be a performance at this? We have really built up this party in our minds. Will anyone actually perform?
Courtney
Yes. I'm putting out the ask Believe, Receive. Do you.
Mary
I kind of feel like Lisa Barlow might do her song. I hope we get a Lisa moment where we can talk to her for, like, a long period of time. We've met her, but we've never got to sit down and break bread, you know?
Courtney
Yeah. Like, I want it longer than just, like, the 10 seconds at Bravo Con, which, you know, those were the best 10 seconds of my life.
Mary
Right, Right.
Courtney
But I'll take a minute.
Mary
Oh, and then I bet we get to see Portia and Sway. I bet Sway come.
Courtney
Oh, okay. So Kyle does have to bring someone. Okay. Morgan. Wade. I like the idea of Morgan. I mean, it's such a reach. I think you're right. With one of the daughters, perhaps. That feels right. I think we should be watching the socials over the next couple of days to see who's boarding the plane.
Mary
Right. I cannot wait. You know, I'm always Trying to find a good outfit.
Courtney
Yeah. Tell me, did you find one?
Mary
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Courtney
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Mary
Oh, she very well could be. Is she a Delta girly?
Courtney
I'm not sure, but I wonder. But then I was also thinking too. I feel like they're probably going to do a really fun like watch what happens live with the girls for the premiere because it's the following Sunday so I can see them also doing that. I'm just not sure when they would film all that. Would they film it the day before? Would they film it earlier in the day on Tuesday? Is it a Wednesday thing? We should have thought a little bit more about that. This invite came in and it threw us in a tizzy. In a full tizzy.
Mary
It did it. Did you think Andy will be at the party? Would he bring his boyfriend?
Courtney
I heard a little clip of him talk about on his radio show how he thinks that he'll introduce him to the housewives soon. This feels like the perfect event.
Mary
Oh my God. This is it. This is it. It has to be.
Courtney
It also. It could be in my imaginary mind here of the. Watch what happens live. He could bring him. But, like, for us, please, please let us have this as, like, your baby shower. Okay. We want to see you get up on the tables and dance.
Mary
I think this is gonna be kind of a smaller thing. I just have a feeling. The Orange county one was rather small, so I cannot believe we were included.
Courtney
I feel very lucky. I'm wondering if the new Roni girls will be there. I wonder if anyone from Jersey will come through. I wonder if the Rhode island girlies will come through. I mean, I cannot imagine Dorinda not being at this event. Whether she's invited or not, she's gonna show up.
Mary
I feel like Jessel and Aaron, maybe some of the newbies for Maroney. Obviously the entire cast of Ultimate Girl Strip.
Courtney
Oh, good. I'm glad you're coming.
Mary
It's funny that we saw Vick two weeks ago.
Courtney
I know. We'll have to ask about an update on the knee.
Mary
I know. I don't know why she wears the heels at this point.
Courtney
I know.
Mary
You really actually have to get, like, a knee replacement, I believe. So it's okay if you're in flip flops or sandals, even a sneaker.
Courtney
My dream is her being rolled in on a wheelchair with a sheet over her head.
Mary
That would be.
Courtney
So they all need to have these iconic walkets again. I have built this up, and it's not going to be this at all. But everyone comes in, Kyle walks in, they announce her, and she just drops into a split and helicopters her hair.
Mary
Do you think they will give speeches?
Courtney
Yes. I'm just putting it into existence. Keep saying these things, and this party is going to have all things. This is going to be like an SNL Stefan party. Like, this party's got everything. Could Dorinda be security at the door?
Mary
One can hope. One can hope. I literally. I can't. Can't wait. And you're also gonna go to the Hamptons.
Courtney
I am gonna go to the Hamptons after it just serendipitously worked out that my friends are going, and they're like, great, we have space for you. You're coming.
Mary
Are you gonna go to Surplus?
Courtney
Honestly, I'm trying to go just for you personally. That's a trek that I would like to make you guys do. I have an understanding of the Hamptons at all. I don't. I don't understand the lay of the land. So I just said, you know, I'm gonna go along for the Ride. I would like to go to Surf Lodge because that's very popular for Mary and I. It means something. Can you do the line?
Mary
Um, I think we're going to Surf Lodge,
Courtney
so we'll see. But can I tell you one person I don't think will be there?
Mary
Bethany.
Courtney
Oh my God. No. But yes. Oh my God.
Mary
Because we have to talk about Supermodel cafe.
Courtney
Please go in.
Mary
Well, okay. Bethany has been quietly trying to sprinkle in what she's doing. She officially launched this week that she is opening the Supermodel Cafe. It's a pop up shop in the Hamptons. And this is where she will be selling like caviar schmears and bagels.
Courtney
Did you see the TikTok I sent to you yesterday?
Mary
Yes.
Courtney
Okay.
Mary
I Courtney, I had already seen like I'm up to date.
Courtney
You're right. I forget that you are in you. That is a hate watch for you.
Mary
Yes. I'm so fascinated by her. But it sounds like too that she's trying to make it a reality show and this pop up opportunity came up and they have had to do it in a really short amount of time. So I think she's filming it all. She is so thirsty to be on TV again and she will find any needs to go about it. I just have this feeling that things are not gonna go the way she wants it. And I imagine so many people doing reviews and being like, I don't know why, I just don't think the food is going to be up to standards. And I'm like, I think that will be so funny because she's made such a market on being this like food reviewer. And she always goes, you're welcome, you're welcome. So I just like imagine this like coming back to haunt her. I do.
Courtney
Well, what's it called? It's called like better than and it's these things that are better than the like really bad version. So it's a healthier version of. And she said her stuff is going nationwide in the fall, but she doesn't even have the labeling and like the marketing of it. So then when this opportunity came up, she's like, oh, okay, I'll do it so that I can test it. You guys can tell me what's good and what's not. And it's just like the supermodel cafes, like there's twofold here. One usually like a supermodel would probably open it. That's fine. Two supermodels don't eat and so it's tough to open up Somewhere where you don't eat. And I just think too is like, why? Why? I don't think she has the pull she thinks she does. And not that I want it to fail, but there's something that I want Bethany to be, like, slightly humbled in a way.
Mary
Well, I think she's also doing it at the end of the summer so less people will actually be in the Hamptons. She keeps on already saying, this is testing. So if people don't like it, she's
Courtney
going to come back and be like,
Mary
we heard what you said. We're reformulating. Also, to me, when I'm dieting or I want to eat healthy, I'm making it at home. Hers are going to be cottage cheese based. I'm sorry, I'm not going to pay like $20 for something cottage cheese based when I can make it at home. I think that's where she's going to lose people as well.
Courtney
Did you like in her TikTok, though, where she said, by the way, when I was making these in Covid, I was using cottage shoes and I had a brand approach me and I turned it down. I was like, okay, it's a good culture approach to you. And then you said, no. Like, she's always just. The way she talks is that she's just. She's the best. She's the best. And there's a difference of quiet confidence and loud confidence and just obnoxious behavior.
Mary
And she's so obnoxious. I'm really curious of the price points of the products as well. I think she had a great idea. She really, like, revolutionized the to go cocktail.
Courtney
A To go cocktail?
Mary
Yeah, the skinny girl margarita.
Courtney
Okay. I refuse to give Bethany credit for anything. So anyways, now, on top of that, did you see the drama go down with Jax Taylor?
Mary
No.
Courtney
Okay. It's so nice to see L after L for people who deserve an L. And Jack Taylor deserves an L. So he had posted this TikTok because we're blocked on Instagram, so we didn't see that. But I did see the TikTok and it had this really weird voiceover. I think it's supposed to be him, but does it sound like him? Anyways, he does this ad and he tags like smart water and acts like he's a smart water partner. And people are like, what the hell? Why would smart water partner with Jax Taylor?
Mary
Right, right.
Courtney
And so I guess random fans, dm, smart water being like, what the hell? Why would you do that? You know, like, Jennifer Aniston is like a Smart Water Ambassador. Why would Jax Taylor be.
Mary
Actually, was he walking in, like a wellness thing and there was a pool.
Courtney
Yeah, like this spa. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mary
Okay. But I didn't realize that it was pretending to be for Smart Water. Okay.
Courtney
Yeah. So he posted a video with the bottle. So then like, someone DM Smart Water and they're like, we don't have a partnership with them. And then all of a sudden, the hash partner was removed from the post. By the way, this is at everyone's business but mine. Cara Berry, she always has the deets for us. Jackson posts proof he was scammed by a company tricking him into thinking he had a brand deal, only for Kristen to lead us to the top of his screenshot, which is an AI company. So he basically went into AI and said, can you make me a third party screenshot to make it look like I had this deal? And by the way, he posting this clearly, Lori K. Because that man can't form two thoughts together and even use a period in between. He's like, period. Girls have them. You know, like, it's so dumb. And so then he's like, I thought that I had this brand deal. I can't believe that the mother of my child would make fun of me for this. It's an absolute mistake. Britney's always coming at me. It's clearly like this whole statement written by Lori K. This is so fucking bizarre.
Mary
Why would they even do this? This is crazy.
Courtney
I think it's crazy too. And you know what? I could actually believe that Jax thought he had a Smart Water deal because Lori Kay told him he had one. And you know how they say, too, well, if you want to try to get a brand deal, you should do like organic content and sponsor the brands that you like. Because then if they see that, you know, you organically use it, they may want to partner with you. And I wonder if that was the conversation. Like, let's at Smart Water. But then he's also been. He. I'm going to put quotes around this. Has also been replying to comments being like, I'm taking taken.
Mary
This is so. But like. But also is he gonna come back and be like, lori duped me. Do you know what I mean? Like, they both feel so toxic that this is gonna get crazy.
Courtney
I know it's so embarrassing for him to do Smart Water. And I really do believe that. Like, Lori K. I saw the screenshot about the AI, and in the top right corner, it says jt. You know, it's like the username. So it's like he went in to ask the photo and then didn't crop it. It's just like so embarrassing and also like so well deserved. I just can't stand the man. And so when it's like things like this and then trying to blame Britney, it's like Lori Kay, we know it's you.
Mary
Super bizarre. And that just makes me think about the time that he hooked up with Ramona. And will Ramona be at the party?
Courtney
I don't think so.
Mary
I don't think so either.
Courtney
Okay, well let's take a break and then let's break down Atlanta and go over their reunion looks too One thing
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Courtney
Okay, first off, this reunion looks fun. Andy is having a blast. You say this often. You can tell Andy's mood, and that really sets the tone for everything. And he is having a blast.
Mary
A total blast. Which I appreciate. I think he can be a moody guy.
Courtney
Well, you know, they say once you're getting laid, you're nicer.
Mary
Oh, okay.
Courtney
Lindsay Hubbard was telling us on in the City, don't take it for anything more than that. Okay. Okay. So the theme here was green gold Black.
Mary
I originally thought it was green, and then, yes, there's a lot of different looks.
Courtney
And wonder if we all need to apologize to P for the people who are perpetuating the pregnancy rumor and landing on the majority thinking it was pinky.
Mary
I will say I cried when Shamia looks at Gerald on that plane and was like, we're pregnant. I was like, oh, my God, When's the due date? We're getting the boy. Like, I was so excited for her.
Courtney
Me too. I literally texted you. I was like, I'm gonna be honest, this finale was tough for me. But there's one exciting moment at the end.
Mary
Oh. And it was that. There was so much writing on this. It was so stressful. Who is your best dressed?
Courtney
Overall, I really love Portia's look.
Mary
Oh, really?
Courtney
Yeah. Okay.
Mary
When I originally saw it, I was like, oh, my God, that's kind of fun. But the more I looked at it, it got uglier.
Courtney
There's something very, like, bedroom formal.
Mary
Okay. Okay.
Courtney
With, like, the feathers and the green. I just think it's a gorgeous color on her. Who's your favorite?
Mary
I think I like Angela's gold. I think it's really pretty. I know Shamia's is a lot, but I think it's interesting and she brought it. And I like K. Michelle's, too.
Courtney
K. Michelle is giving me poison Ivy vibes.
Mary
I love it. I love it.
Courtney
I love the red and the green. She looks great. I don't love Shamias.
Mary
Love it.
Courtney
I. I would like it more if she and Kelly didn't try to compliment each other with whatever's going on on the neck and they're sitting next to each other, and I think it makes it too much and clashes individually. Sure. Like, Shamia's body is tea and she looks great, but I think with Kelly's, which is not fun. Kelly, by the way, you guys was on Carlos King's podcast. The clip that I watched, the way that he tried to keep it together and couldn't. When Kelly said she set the standard for these women. I know. And she said I set the standard for fashion. I was like, fashion. What about the archive from Marlo fashion? Your Tom Ford 650 white T shirt fashion? And then she said, content. These women weren't doing content before. I have never seen organically one post from Kelly.
Mary
I have not either.
Courtney
Except for who is Jarvis?
Mary
Yeah, you're so right. I have not. I have not. No. Hers is a miss for me. Honestly, I don't think the black went with it. It should have Been either green or gold. Yeah, I agree.
Courtney
By the way, I just wanted to update you guys because last week when we talked about at who is Jarvis? He had 66 followers. He does have 98 now under 100.
Mary
Okay.
Courtney
Also interesting that there's no update on Jarvis in her interstitial at the end. Oh, that's okay because he doesn't exist. You're so right. It is, Gerald. I hate this unitard pant look with the poots that Cynthia's wearing though. I like her cape. And Cynthia's so freaking gorgeous. She could wear a trash bag and still look good. But it's giving witchy to me with the pointy boots and the cape. It's giving hocus pocus.
Mary
We did see a Halloween episode.
Courtney
Angela. I'm looking at the close up right now and it's all fringe on the bottom.
Mary
Angela is definitely best dressed. To me, I think it's really fun. She looks hot. She looks sexy.
Courtney
Phaedra's is fine, but you're right with the theme because need to do the same greens.
Mary
Yes.
Courtney
Hers is like a peacock green.
Mary
Overall it. They look really nice. Drew's is a miss.
Courtney
I don't like Drew's hair either. Pinkies is kind of the mother of the bride of Portia's dress.
Mary
I know. Too similar.
Courtney
I know. I thought when I first saw this before I watched the episode, I said, oh, the hand placement's really interesting because everyone thinks she's pregnant. I'm sorry, Pinky. Because she's covering her stomach, especially with the sleeves. I felt really bad because all the comments are about her being pregnant.
Mary
I thought it could have been K. Michelle too, because she had talked about that surrogacy journey.
Courtney
So I also have a question about K. Michelle here. So when she was going country, her name was Puddin, but now at her listening party, she's K Michelle. Her album cover that's come out for Jesus and Whiskey, it says K Michelle. So are we dropping pudding?
Mary
I guess so. I guess it wasn't sticking.
Courtney
Yes. And I also did notice when she was performing, even though she was performing Jesus of Whiskey is she was holding a cup of whiskey. And I thought, I do think that there's something with the drinking.
Mary
I mean, she wrote a whole song about it and then another song about Jack Daniels. And I appreciated it. I had a great time listening to her. I actually went on Spotify, started looking at her music. I like country, so I was down.
Courtney
Sorry, Morgan, Wade, you are out. It's all about K. Michelle now. Now at the end Too. It says that her album has dropped July 31st. However, I've been looking it up. Cause I was like, well, where's the album now it's saying October.
Mary
You're right. It's releasing October 15th. She just has the Jesus in whiskey. Single.
Courtney
Oh, maybe they meant single.
Mary
Sometimes I don't think those are really up to date.
Courtney
Clearly. Yeah. Now, overall, what did you think about this finale?
Mary
I didn't like it. I don't know why it was extended.
Courtney
It felt like we got some questions answered. I did want to talk about Angela and Amari because you were saying, we're leaving all this stuff on the table. And, like, of course we'll probably answer it in the reunion. But I'm looking for answers.
Mary
Andy at the reunion asks Angela, like, you were getting a lot of hate online. Like, people thought you weren't supportive of Amari's relationship. Can you expand on that? That was always one of my questions. But I'm curious what her answer will be. And we know her daughter, like, filmed for Next Gen. I don't know if that's ever gonna come to light.
Courtney
But I thought actually this answered a lot of questions in this scene. I think at the end of the day, it wasn't that she was supportive, but that she was like, what are you doing? It was almost like Amare got married in defiance of Angela, because she tells Angela how you were right. Angela doesn't want to be right. Like, she wants Amari to be happy. And I started thinking about it in this relationship and diving deep with zero details, but just an imagination. And I said, amare really is childish. And I feel like she's done all of these things. Things just to act out a bit. And her and Angela are so close. So when she went and did this, Angela just was like, what the hell? Why would you hide this from me? I would love to be supportive of your life. I was just thinking Angela was like, you're not ready for this next step. And I don't think that she likes her partner because she's selfish.
Mary
Well, I am wondering, too, why they decided to get married. Why was that very important to them?
Courtney
That's what I'm saying. I feel like she did it because she was told, don't do it.
Mary
Yeah. Yeah. That's. Wow, that's intense.
Courtney
I know. Oh, again, just an imagination and not any facts.
Mary
Yeah.
Courtney
Charles was quite quiet, Quite quiet across the board. His only contribution was just like, yeah, being married is hard and life is hard. And I think he doesn't like the way that Amari treats Angela.
Mary
I think Charles, this season's like, wow, I had a really bad showing last season, so I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut. I shouldn't say too much, even though he wants to, but he just knows those cameras are on and he is gonna sit there and smile. He wanted to revamp his image this season big time.
Courtney
I don't think that at all. I think Charles has been authentically himself both seasons. I really love them together. You don't.
Mary
Okay. I just don't think it's gonna last.
Courtney
Why?
Mary
Did you watch last season?
Courtney
But I thought that they were just kind of like the Bantersons, not into the Bickersons yet. They don't give me Adrian and Paul. I think that they have a really fun, playful relationship with each other.
Mary
I think their relationship from last season to this season is completely different. And I'm not buying it. I think he is trying to change his image big time. Wow.
Courtney
Isn't it wild how we can have such differing opinions?
Mary
I think that's what makes this podcast great because we basically never agree.
Courtney
I know I would love Charles and Angela to have a podcast. I think that they would be really fun. Enjoyed him last season too. I think, yeah, maybe he came off a little too harsh last season and pulled it back a little bit. Like, people aren't understanding my joking personality, but seeing them at the Knicks game together, seeing the way they support. Look, I need a fan. It's so freaking hot here, okay? It's been a heat wave. If I had a fan, even if it was high powered and gonna suck my hair up, I don't need the warning label. I know how a fan works.
Mary
When she brought them and she's like, oh, we gotta send them back to the lab. I was dying. It also sounded like a Dyson. Yes, it sounded like a Dyson, which I appreciate. It felt like it. It could be very, very powerful.
Courtney
Drew's hair was moving when they put that fan on her. Drew Yonce.
Mary
I think she's onto something. She's got to work on the prototype, which is also insane. How did you not figure that out for this season? How did you not?
Courtney
Can't she just wholesale buy a bunch of fans, get them, be dazzled and sell them? I mean, these are $20 fans.
Mary
If that, like, come on.
Courtney
I'll pay $20 bedazzled. I'll give you 30.
Mary
But you would bedazzle your own.
Courtney
I could bedazzle my own. But to know that Angela. Well, not her. Someone from Angela's side bedazzled this for me. I would love that. Let's go to Shamia. I want Shamia to win. I. When she said she was pregnant, I was so excited for her. I wonder if this will change the way she approaches next season, if she's asked back because she had such a darkness over her this past season and she can't get out of her own way now.
Mary
Do you think she made up this HOA fine for $2,200?
Courtney
Yes. I think she texted Jax Taylor and said, could you make me an AI photo of an HOA getting mad. I'm like, $2,200? I mean, yes, the horseshit. Sorry, but, like, to bring it. I was like, this is so corny, Shamia.
Mary
So you do think she completely made it up? Yes. Really?
Courtney
You think it's real?
Mary
I. I don't know, because I know some places, like, the HOAs are crazy, and I can imagine the horse was on the street. Probably no one thought to pick it up. And then the next morning, someone's walking around the neighborhood and, like, why is there horseshit? I'm reporting them. They were loud last night with that party. Anyways, I want that documented.
Courtney
I think she made it up, and I think she was looking for one last line.
Mary
No, I want it to be true. Because also, in her confessional, I liked what she said. She's like, if Drew's, like, cool and says, like, yeah, my bad. I'll be okay with it. I'll pay for it. But, like, if she's not cool, I would try to get her to pay for it.
Courtney
But she didn't even give her a chance. She just was like, here you go, Drew. I'm also like, where is the horse, Drew? Drew's an actress. I understand. But I didn't feel like she was actually telling the truth because she said, Walter. Which is. I'm assuming someone from her 20 plus person team gave Jay Z. Terry the address to bring this horse, even though Jay Z Terry looked very confused on what he was doing too. So I'm like, did Drew's team, like, set this up to be a moment? And Drew actually had no idea. And I thought, where the is the horse?
Mary
When she was like, I didn't know when he brought the horse if, like, I was going to be a horse owner. Did he lease the horse? I'm like, drew, stop it. You set up this entire thing because you were Beyonce. You knew that horse was rented for a night. Her pretending to keep going with the story. Like, I didn't know about this. I Have no idea what's going on. And then the next day, like, oh, my God. Actually, black showing up today.
Courtney
I was like, what is going on? She is the Lou Lou.
Mary
I believed her. Courtney, no. No. Absolutely not.
Courtney
I know. She is such a good liar. Showed up as a Beyonce.
Mary
So she wasn't Beyonce. And he would have just brought her a horse on Halloween. Like, why would that make sense?
Courtney
I thought someone from her team set it up for her to be surprised. I thought it was Walter who did it. But then you do make a good point, because when she. Then at the end, after she gets in a fight with K, Michelle falls on the ground, says she tripped, then runs into Portia and says, they pushed me. She was very convincing on the push that I was like, do I have to rewind? Did she get pushed or were her pants too long?
Mary
The pants were literally just too long.
Courtney
The real question is just, where is this horse?
Mary
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Okay, so Drew is looking at a home with her mom and then she just like bursts into tears because she's dealing with the custody agreement, dealing with Ralph still living downstairs. And as of June 10, there's this article that says that she was supposed to move out of the home and that Ralph was supposed to pay her $145,000 in equity, but then there might have been something like she was allowed to stay. It feels like a little bit mixed. I feel like he has lived off her for so long, and she is the breadwinner and the provider, and I think she is on planes a lot because she is working. She's trying to stay busy to support her family, and she's saying yes to everything. So they have money. And it's just sad to see that he's trying to paint her as a bad mother.
Courtney
Well, also, what he's trying to do besides painter as a bad mother, is he's doing all of this because he doesn't like her. He's mad at her. He wants to, like, make her suffer, but the people who are suffering are the children. Ralph, why won't you think about the kids? It, like, infuriates me because the fact that you felt the need that you had to live in the lower level this whole time because you can't afford it. And then it's, like, leaked that Drew makes 38, 000amonth or whatever, and Ralph makes 28, 000amonth. Where's all this, guys? Like, that's a lot of money. That's $60,000 a month. That's more than a lot of us can say that we make in a month. Where the hell is the money going that. That you can't afford to move out temporarily? I want Drew to win. I root for Drew even though she is somewhat of a liar face.
Mary
Well, Drew's paying for her team. That's where her money's going.
Courtney
That is so true. Please give Drew a spin off. They still dropped us off in that scene of a meeting with her team where she's like, what's happening? And I said, we gotta have a four part special.
Mary
We sure do.
Courtney
I would love it. There's something about Drew is like, yeah, she does lie a lot, but I. She's so likable, too. And also, like, has a level of innocence. I don't know how to explain it, but there's just something that you're like, we need Drew to win.
Mary
Like, her mom's 81st birthday looked like a blast. I loved the sunflower theme. I like that Black showed up. Her mom was getting down. What's the deal with Dr. Ken? Is he single?
Courtney
That's a really good question, because I feel like someone mentioned his marriage and he said, shut up. Shut up, Portia. Let's talk about your next marriage. And I was Giggling because I feel like he's one of those doctors that just kind of pops up on all the shows, you know? But he had some energy for Phaedra, and I liked it.
Mary
It's fun to see her flirt on camera.
Courtney
What about meeting Black? What did you think about him?
Mary
I thought it was Cutie came. I am kind of confused by the situation. It's. Maybe they are just like phone friends. Maybe he's like the in the phone friend and emotional support, and they talk all the time and flirt and just some. Someone to text and that's kind of it. And maybe they hook up from time to time, but it's just never going to be that serious. And, like, that's okay.
Courtney
Yeah, they're friend friends. When her mom met him, she was like, oh, my God, he's real.
Mary
Sometimes having a texting buddy is just a good time, you know?
Courtney
Sometimes you just need attention, and sometimes you get it from the wrong person. And then you start dating your best friend's ex, who is also best friends with your ex husband, and it doesn't end well, and then that's tough on you. But I don't think that block's gonna do that because he's got no relation to K Michelle.
Mary
Okay, I kind of believe that too. What do you think? I think she probably responds to DMs.
Courtney
So originally when I saw that DM, I was like, k, you're lying because you're saying you don't know him. You don't know him. And then you say, hey, handsome. And the way that she overreacted originally, I was like, she's hiding something. But then in this episode, I was like, actually, I do see her being flirtatious to the men that respond to her, but not in a way of acting on it, just being like, hey, handsome.
Mary
Okay.
Courtney
Y.
Mary
The only problem is I just went to her Instagram. She has 8 million followers.
Courtney
That's a lot of DMS.
Mary
I can't imagine her responding to that many DMS for 8 million followers. You're very good at responding to DMs. And. And I feel like if we had 8 million followers, it'd be pretty hard to keep up. Right? He has one.
Courtney
3K does follow him. Okay, so they clearly met somewhere.
Mary
Yeah. Which I'm not surprised.
Courtney
So she would see that dm because they follow each other. So I wonder if they, like, met. And then she's got to keep those people in her orbit because she's just a nice person. I. I'm changing my tune on where I was Originally in the season, which I thought she was hiding something, but I think at this point, I don't believe that. I think they were just friends. In the beginning of the season, she was acting like she did not know who he was. It's like, just say you know him, but just be like, I respond to all my friends.
Mary
I think k Michelle was worried that they were trying to make this storyline that there was something between her and black. She's like, that was never the case. I answered a couple dms, and by the way, I didn't even answer them. My team did. Okay.
Courtney
Yeah.
Mary
So I have 8 million followers. I don't have time for that. So I think she's really worked up because we also don't know, like, what is her husband's response to this? You know, she's protecting her piece, and she's like, I'm not gonna let Drew Sedora that sings the national anthem try to take me down. Okay.
Courtney
Also, at my own listening party, if this was a real event where Kay is inviting fans, she's doing performances, and then you guys are gonna make a scene at this. That would piss me off if this was my event, especially when I'm one of the only black women who assigned to a major label for country music. And then you guys are going to act up at my event. Like, I cannot have that. Okay, can we talk Soy and Portia now?
Mary
I thought they're very sweet. When Portia said I signed up for the course, I was like, what?
Courtney
It's $3,000. I looked it up. $2,997 to sign up for this course.
Mary
She's a cute little stalker.
Courtney
The energy that she has with Sway versus that she had with Mike is so different. She is giddy about Sway. She is in it. She is like, I have to tone myself down because I cannot let her know how much I like her. She's Porsche sexual.
Mary
I mean, they're smitten kittens. I'm so excited that they are still together. I want to know about Phaedra dating Mike. When was that? That's gonn the reunion.
Courtney
They just kind of dropped that. And I'm like, so Mike's for hire?
Mary
Could be. Could be.
Courtney
That's just kind of what I felt was like, mike's for hire, and he will be a rent a date for you.
Mary
Okay. Oh, wow.
Courtney
That's maybe why the energy was never really there with them. Like, he's a good friend and they become friendly, but, like, you're also paying. And then it makes me think of the great movie, the Wedding Date, starring one Deborah Messing and one Dermont Mulready, where she hires him to be the date to her sister's wedding. And. And they end up falling in love. And it's such a good movie. Top notch. Night, ladies. You ever see that movie? You're gonna tell me you haven't.
Mary
No. No, I haven't. I don't watch movies, I guess.
Courtney
Okay, well, that's from, like, 20 years ago, and it's so good. Anyways, so then this morning, though, I go on to Threads, and there is this cryptic thread from this account at Ediminate. E D U M I I N A T E. This account writes, atlanta is getting interesting. So we have another stud scamming through salon suites and using the proceeds to date straight reality TV ex wives. Now, this is just a blind item, but people are like, oh, it's probably Sway with Porsche. I don't know. But I found this interesting because I'm like, well, what is this course? Is this an Amanda Francis manifestation course? What are these courses? Why it specifically to opening salon suites. And I'm thinking kind of like Salon Republic, if you guys have heard of that, where it's different rooms that you can rent. And so I'm thinking, is that what the course is?
Mary
That's exactly what it is. She teaches people to rent a space, and then you rent it to the hairdressers, and they rent it from you, so you're making equity. It's like real estate.
Courtney
I'm giggling, though, because imagine, though, like, you're having this, like, flirt man. Blind item aside, because I'm like, we need more detail on that. But blind item aside, imagine you're, like, teaching this course, and you've got this crush on this girl, and she. She pops on the Portia Williams.
Mary
I know, I know.
Courtney
The Portia Williams reality star is like, I'd like to learn more about salon suites. You know who could have used this class, by the way? Kenya Moore, hair care. Kenya, more hair care. What happened to hers? I think it's done right.
Mary
I know all these business ventures, they kind of go sideways. And I didn't realize that Drew was the one that exposed that. Kelly's waffles.
Courtney
Yes.
Mary
I didn't realize it was Drew that exposed that.
Courtney
Yeah. So I'm hoping that Blind Eyed. And maybe it's about someone else. Maybe it's about someone else who also teaches salon suite courses. I don't know. Feels like that could be a business for others. But I like them because Portia's Just so giddy about her. I mean, she went from saying she was Portia sexual at her house to saying I'm gay at the party.
Mary
Yeah, no, they seem like a great couple. I am into them. I wonder if Sway moved in.
Courtney
They're going on family vacays as per their end card. I just. I want Portia to be happy. She's been so much lighter and fun this season. I was saying last season like, she's not a star. She's not a star. And I think it's because she was going through all that Simon divorce stuff that I did have to take it back. She is a star, but she works really well in a of pair there.
Mary
She got her sparkle back.
Courtney
Date night. Okay, I will laugh because as K Michelle is performing at this party, she then hands the mic to all the women. She gets a really nice speech about them too, though. I like that. But the mic was on, like, so
Mary
when she first gave it to Shamia, I was like, oh, wow. She's like giving Shamia, like a solo moment it. But then they kept on giving it to each of the girls. And then, like, Kelly's. It was like. It was like Tom Tom on the Traders. It was just like, so, so bad. But I loved her message at the end, and she's like, we are celebrating black excellence and these women. And it was really heartwarming. And I. I really like her, and I think she's going to bring it to the reunion, and I definitely think she'll be back next season. I'm not sure about Shamia. I almost feel like Drew could go too.
Courtney
I think this cast is actually great and I want them all back. Even Kelly, who when I watched her scene with Phaedra in that office, I felt bad for her. But then I'm also like, Kelly, you should wear a bra. Those are two separate thought processes. But I was really sad for her because they go into their end cards and they give this update for Kelly, right? But Phaedra is wearing this Cleopatra wig
Mary
with these bangs, and I'm like, phaedra, no, I know.
Courtney
But the biggest thing for Kelly is the fact that her girls can film. I'm like, why is that the win?
Mary
I don't understand that. But I feel bad for her because obviously her ex husband was 31. Oh, there $31,000. But he is just trying to make her life miserable and he's trying to dry her out out paying these lawyer fees. And it's like, really? Who's losing your children? It's so sad, but I Think this three part reunion looks fantastic. Let's read the interstitials. You read them to me. Phaedra is now the godfather of Atlanta and now the lady of the glen. Unfortunately, her Scottish property exists mostly at Spirit. Do you think next season she'll be like a Cynthia and a friend of mine?
Courtney
I think she should be. I feel like she gives that energy anyways. I don't think she needs to be a full time housewife. I thought Cynthia was fantastic this season and killed it as a friend of and I feel like Phaedra doesn't want to share her life that much that she would be great as a friend of and also she's doing all of this stuff for Kelly pro bono. So it's like keep trying to dry her out. Ex husband. Phaedra's doing it for free, right?
Mary
I think Cynthia just like redefined friend of and elevated it and I think that would be a great spot for Phaedra next season. I. I'm with you, Pinky. Nearly $4 million in debt, Pinky's moving into a new chapter in life. Chapter 11. I'm like, oh, so she didn't file.
Courtney
She tells us in the end party she's not filing for bankruptcy just for them 30 seconds later to let us know. Actually, she's still in this.
Mary
So after filing for bankruptcy, she's on TikTok teaching the haters. Do as I say, not as I owe. Okay, Shamia. After quite a year of navigating friendships, Shamia's business life took a hit. Ramba may be done, but Shamia is onto her next venture. With Gerald by her side, the two are launching a perfume mist. What? Out of everything. And then why didn't they update this to say and they're expecting their baby boy.
Courtney
Yeah, I agree. I love seeing that clip though, because Gerald is so genuinely excited. We don't need a perfume mist because you know where that exists. Bath and Body works. We don't need one. Shamia, it's okay. We don't need a business venture. Just be rich. Yeah, I know.
Mary
It's so strange. Okay, Angela. After more therapy. Angela and Amari have built a healthier bond with things cooling down in her personal life. The wait list for the Fangi drop is heating up. Okay, Kelly. This is so embarrassing.
Courtney
Kelly's is the worst because the way that they pause on her face too is so unflattering. It's rude.
Mary
Dude, Drew leaked the tea on Kelly's Nana Sandy's spring closing. Like, it's so embarrassing that it's like about Drew. It's not even about Kelly. And while her kids got cleared to film, Kelly's legal battles are far from over.
Courtney
Kelly needs the show.
Mary
Yes, she does.
Courtney
She really does need this show. At one point, she's talking about her ex husband, and she says, I'm raising four girls on my own. She goes with good hair, good lashes, and good tits. And I said, no, no, no, don't put the whiff. Take the whiff out. We don't need the preposition. Just keep it. Raising four girls on your own.
Mary
No, not at all. Not at all. Okay, Drew. Drew and Ralph finally reached a settlement in their bitter divorce. Reportedly, Drew was ordered to leave the marital home, lost primary custody of her children, and is required to pay monthly child support.
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We hate you, Ralph. Just want to let you know in case you're listening. No, you're not. But just in case. We hate you.
Mary
K. Michelle's long anticipated country album finally dropped on July 31, which we found out is not true. It's going to drop in October, and she's a single is out, and she's yodeling all the way to the bank. Yodeling. Porsche. Porsche and Sway are still going strong after eight months, taking family vacations and living their best lives. But despite the AI generated rumors, her ring finger will go naked.
Courtney
Oh, I'm telling you, I think an engagement's coming up soon, though. I think it's gonna happen.
Mary
I could also see her at this point in her life getting the ring and, like, that's kind of it, you know, like, they don't have to do the paperwork.
Courtney
Well, it's funny, because when she was talking about Mike, she was like, unfortunately, Mike did find out that it was over when I posted a photo of Sway and I visibly in love. So that was my bad. But give me a break. I'm used to just going into marriages. Wait, Portia, what do you mean you've only been married to Cordell and Simon, and those are, like, years apart. What do you mean you're always going to marriages? Are there things we don't know, or do you just mean stealing someone's husband? A.K. fallon.
Mary
I think maybe that. Maybe that. Okay, okay, okay.
Courtney
Recency bias, right? Right.
Mary
Yeah. I'm looking forward to the reunion. We will recap it next week, and we're gonna have the best time in New York. I can't wait to see you.
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I was just gonna say, I can't wait to see you, everybody. Have a great day, and we will keep you updated on our happenings. And hey, it's 800 episodes. Thanks for being here you guys. We can never say thank you enough because you are part of the reason why our lives have change. So thank you.
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Episode: TJG: RHOA S17 Finale!
Date: August 3, 2026
Courtney and Mary mark a huge milestone—800 episodes!—while breaking down the Real Housewives of Atlanta Season 17 finale and looking ahead to the reunion. The episode is lively, opinionated, and full of their signature pop culture asides. Beyond the RHOA recap, they dish about their upcoming New York trip for the 20th anniversary “Ultimate Girls Trip” Bravo party, speculate about Bravo-lebrity appearances and possible performances, and offer hot takes on reality TV news including Bethenny Frankel’s Supermodel Café and Jax Taylor’s latest flop. The bulk of the episode, though, is dedicated to an in-depth, playful, and sometimes sharply critical discussion of the Atlanta Housewives—fashion, relationships, feuds, storylines, and the emotional moments that closed out the season.
Celebrating 800 Episodes ([03:46])
Life as Podcasters ([04:00])
NYC Bravo Party Anticipation ([04:31]-[10:22])
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([43:17]-[45:20])
([45:57]-[48:48])
([49:30]-[53:13])
([54:35]-[56:48])
The episode is irreverent, fast-paced, and playful, brimming with inside jokes, tangents, and warm camaraderie. Mary and Courtney’s easy banter and differing opinions keep the conversation lively; even when they disagree, it’s with humor and mutual respect. Their excitement for Bravo and for their own milestone is infectious, and their critiques of Housewives drama—both on camera and off—are candid, detailed, and often cutting.
Next up: the RHOA reunion recap—and updates from that can’t-miss Bravo party in NYC!