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Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Welcome back to two Judgy Girls. It is Mary from the bay and today I am with Oliver Sims. You may know him from his hilarious impressions, and he has also been a bartender on Watch what Happens Live. That is my lifelong dream. And he has launched a new podcast called Oliver's Reality. Thank you so much for joining me today. I mean, the last time we saw each other, we were on a boat together with Kyle and West. My, how the world has changed a lot.
Oliver Sims
It has definitely changed a lot. Oh, my Lord.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
That was a very fun day on the bay. I mean, it's crazy to think that they were hooking up at that point.
Oliver Sims
It really was like, I just, you know, remember, like, being on the boat, I was like, oh, my gosh, I wonder what's happening with west and Sierra. Then we saw photos of them later that day, and now I'm like, oh. Oh. So this is what was really going on.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I literally assumed that Sierra and Wes hooked up after Super Bowl. Like, that's where my mind went. Little did we know that. I can't believe Wes was, like, on that boat talking to Kyle.
Oliver Sims
Like, so crazy, smiley. Just. He was so charismatic, too. On the boat. It was so fun. And then, boom, just this, the whole situation.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Wait. I keep on talking about the day on the boat because I was completely conned by Wes Wilson. Like, he was so charismatic. I feel like he went around, made everyone feel special. He, like, took his time. He was going to the Super Bowl. He took his time to say goodbye to everyone. On that boat. I'm glad I wasn't the only one comment.
Oliver Sims
Well, that's the thing. Like, he was. He was so charismatic. Like. Like, we were taking pictures and stuff. Like, he even gave me a kiss on the cheek. He was so cool. I was like. I was like, okay, cool, whatever. Like you said earlier, literal. Little did we know that all this was happening.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
It's so crazy. And then today, the reunion is coming out. It's a big, big day. And did you see that Amanda and West have been spotted. They went to Rome. I mean, they're fleeing the country.
Oliver Sims
Literally fleeing the country. They're just like, you know, while this is airing, we need to just, like, get out. Like, just go. That is so crazy to me.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I mean, I actually think it's kind of smart, maybe. What do you think?
Oliver Sims
Let me put myself in their shoes. If I was that low of a person to just betray one of my good friends or, you know, in the other sense to betray my ex and hook up with her best friend, you know what? Yeah. I'd just leave the country, too.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Yeah.
Oliver Sims
Yeah.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I mean, Italy's not that bad of a place to go.
Oliver Sims
It's not like I'm literally going to Europe a week from today, so I'm like, I wonder if I'm gonna, like, run into them. I wonder how long they're gonna be there.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Courtney is in Sardinia right now, so I'm like, could you imagine? People are gonna see them left and right. So they're currently in Rome. I feel like they have to be, like, going out, maybe, like, Postano or Capri. Where are you going?
Oliver Sims
I'm going to Greece and the south of France. So Greece and. Nice.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Lovely. That sounds wonderful. Take me with you.
Oliver Sims
I saw room in my luggage. You can just fit in there.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Thank you so much. So the reunion is tonight. What are your thoughts? What do you think is going to come from it? What? What do you want to see?
Oliver Sims
Well, what I think is going to come from it is honestly a bit of, like, frustration from, like, the viewer side, because I don't know if we're actually going to get any sort of type of resolution, especially in this first part. I feel like there's going to be a lot of, like. Well, and even Wes even said this him. I feel like there's going to be a lot of, you know, like, oh, well, the timelines weren't right, or, you know, like, this is what was actually happening. You know, it's like, it wasn't that bad. I feel like we're just going to get. Be gaslit, and I'm not ready for that. But I would just love to see Ciara and Lindsay and Kyle eat them up.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I think that's going to happen. We also know Wes confirmed on his podcast that Kyle and him sat down for three hours. Cameras were up. West is unclear if that's going to be for Summer house or in the city. But, like. Like, to me, I feel like that is Wes trying to secure a job. Who do you think is gonna come back to the summer house for this season? I mean, filming starts in, like, a month. Who do you think will come back?
Oliver Sims
I think, let's say, like, out of the current cast, I think that, like, kj, Mia, I think Dara will actually come back to Bailey. I actually enjoyed Bailey and her quirkiness. She just was different. And I really liked that. That was super cool to watch. So I think definitely them. Ben, maybe. But in terms of everybody else, J. Yes. I think Sierra will come back. I think she will come back. But in terms of Wes and Amanda, that is, like, all up in the air. I. I genuinely don't know. And I'm like, I don't want to make, like, the wrong assumption. I don't want to be like, oh, yeah, they're definitely coming back and then they're not, because it would also be pretty awkward. But if they don't come back, it's like, what else are they gonna do?
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I know. I. A little bit of me feels like they could have lost their jobs. Although my dream scenario is I actually want Sierra not. I feel like she could go to the city, but also she is booked and busy. I love it. Like, she's literally doing After Sun. She's doing Dancing with the Stars. Like, she could do that. The city in the fall if she wanted. Maybe there's a place for her there. But I'd love to see Kyle, Amanda, and West all in the house together, because I think that would be insane.
Oliver Sims
That would be actually insane. But what. I. I'm also afraid that we're going to look at the three of them together and it'll be, like, a lot more amicable than we think. And then that's going to make me frustrated. So. Yeah. So I don't know, but that's a very good assumption. And honestly, I don't know if I want Sierra to just, like, go back to the show. I mean, at this point especially, she's, like, definitely bigger than the program. And, like, she just posted an ad with Bravo and Scary Movie. That was such a good ad. I Loved that. Like, as if they were all in the summer house. And they were definitely alluding to the scandal towards the end of that ad too. So honestly, I loved it. I think that she is going to just excel in every single way. So honestly, I'm just Team Ciara with everything. I'm hoping nothing but the best for her.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I know there is no other team to be on at this point. Did you watch in the City?
Oliver Sims
I watched a bit of in the City, yes. I thought it was interesting with the whole $117,000 thing.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I'm like, just sitting around like, she's like, that was no sweat off my back. I'm like, really? Then why didn't you pay it the whole time? I don't know.
Oliver Sims
Like what?
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Like what?
Oliver Sims
But, you know, we know she doesn't have. She doesn't make the best decision, so. Understood. Very true. But, you know, I am kind of interested to see, like, everyone else, like, who's outside of, like, the Amanda and Kyle, like, of it all. I just want to see, like, new people, I guess. So I think this will be interesting and who knows, they can maybe turn this into, obviously their version of the Valley, like, on the east Coast. But I think this will be very interesting. But what did you think?
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I'm very obsessed with this Lindsey Danielle situation. Danielle's getting a ton of heat about the hj and I really like Danielle always. I don't know why people hate her so much. I feel like she was brought on the show to go against Lindsay, and I feel like Lindsay might have a really tough season. It feels like everyone in the end, kind of like you're not even that good of a friend to me. So I'm really curious if the viewers are going to flip on Lindsay or still stay in love with Hub House. Where do you lie on that? Are you Team Danielle or team Lindsay?
Oliver Sims
Oh, Lindsay. Every single time. Every single time. Yeah. Mother Hub Braid. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I mean, and I was shocked to see Gemma. That was really shocking because she's not shown on social media or anything. So that was exciting.
Oliver Sims
I agree. Going back to when I was saying, like, team Lindsay, I can obviously be on someone's team but not agree with every single thing that they do. But overall, Mother Hubbard. Yes.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Let's talk a little bit about you. Tell everyone about yourself. I know you're living in Texas currently. You're 25. You just left your corporate job. Tell us about diving into this creator space and starting your own podcast.
Oliver Sims
It's kind of been a whirlwind so it's like I just randomly posted a lip sync to, like, charade, like, saying joggers, right? That was just like, it was a trending sound at the time, but people loved it so much, they were like, oh, keep posting more. And I was like, okay. So it snowballed into this huge thing. And so at the time, I was still in college, like, which, by the way, born and raised in Dallas, Texas, which is where I am now. But I went to the University of Arkansas, got my master's in accounting there too. Started my accounting job throughout this whole time, I was still making these housewives lip sync videos. Like, I was still doing it. I was like, you know, maybe, like, this could be something. Who knows? Who knows what this can lead to? And so I worked my accounting job about 16 months, all while still posting this. And then this past January, I decided, you know what? It's time for me to go also, because I did not want to do another busy season and work all those hours while also doing social media way too much. It's been such a fun journey because I posted one random video and then it just blew up into this huge thing. And now, like, I'm part of this bravoverse community, and it's just been so much fun. Like, even some of my old co workers were like, oh, my God, I'm obsessed with your videos. And I'm like, oh, thank you, I guess. But it's just been a fun time. And then when I went on Watch what Happens Live back in December, I announced that I was doing my podcast all Over Reality, which I wanted out earlier this the spring, but I just said spring 2026, because I felt like. Like it would be delayed. And which it did, because whenever I was in India for that wedding, I got stuck in the Middle East.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
You need to tell everyone that story, because that was truly insane. Basically, it's like, I remember me and you were on the boat. We had a great day, and then, like, two weeks later, I think you went to India for your friend's wedding. You're like, vlogging all about it, and you get stuck. Tell everyone about that.
Oliver Sims
I was like, literally flew to India for a wedding. I was there for two weeks. I had the best time of my life, the best food of my life. The people were amazing, the culture, everything was so much fun. It was. It was incredible. I was on my way back, and I was flying on Qatar Airways because I only fly on American, so they're an department of American. I want to get my miles. So I was flying yeah, literally. So I was flying on the way back. I flew from Delhi to Doha at a layover. Then a flight from Doha to Dallas flew to Doha. We're fine. We took off from Doha to go to Dallas. A little bit delayed, like, 30 minutes delayed. We're in the air, like, over the Persian Gulf, and then we turn around, but the captain didn't say anything, so I'm like, that's weird. And look up, like, all my plane finder apps and stuff, and I see that all these other planes have turned around. And then I see a notification that said that the US has started strikes on Iran. And I was like, oh, my gosh. And then the captain said, we have to go back to Doha because the airspace has been closed. So I get back there, I end up being trapped there for nine days because of missiles in the air and all these drones and stuff. And now, like, to this day, if I hear, like, a loud boom or something, like, I jump, because I'm like, is that a thing? But I ended up getting out, so we're good. It was. Yeah, it was a lot.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
It was a lot during those nine days. You basically just, like, stayed at a hotel and are just, like, trying to get out. Is anyone trying to help you? I mean, a lot of people were probably in the same situation. Like, how many people were stuck there?
Oliver Sims
There were thousands of people that were stuck there. And it wasn't even just in Doha. It was also in, like, Dubai. I was actually talking to Chanel Ion, like, the entire time while I was there, because I was like, hey, like, how's things going over there?
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I love how you just casually mentioned that I was just, you know, talking to Chanel the whole time.
Oliver Sims
Well, it's like we were sending each other voice memos because, like, she was like, how are things over in Doha? I'm like, oh, it's fine right now. I haven't heard a missile in about, like, five hours. And then I was like, how are things over there? And she said, well, it's kind of, like getting bad over here. Da, da, da. We were, you know, talking every day, like, every hour, because we had nothing else to do but just sit inside. There were a bunch of people that were, like, trying to help, obviously. Like, the US Government was trying to help, but they came in, like, really late. Like, it was after I had left. A lot of people were banding together and taking cars and going over to Saudi Arabia and catching a flight out of Riyadh to go to London. But their airport and their airspace was opening and closing and opening and closing. So a bunch of flights were getting canceled. So you didn't know if that was the right thing. But the thing is, if you stayed in Doha, the government was paying for your hotel. They were also paying for your food. I didn't pay for anything. And I also got reimbursed for my flight. Like, I left with a profit. So I was like, okay, as you should.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
You were stuck there for nine days in a scary situation.
Oliver Sims
Yeah.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Did you ever leave the hotel during that time?
Oliver Sims
I actually did, yes. Because there are a lot of expats, like a lot of Americans that lived over there. And so they were like, oliver, I've been living here for nine years. Come to this dinner party. I'm like a dinner party in a war zone, okay? So I was like, you know what? I have nothing to do. So I went over there and actually, it was amazing. They were telling me, oliver, you are in Doha, you're in Qatar. This is probably the best place for you to be. But they were like, don't worry. The government right now, they are actively working on a plan to get you out, which they did. It was like really crazy how they got me out because they had like these limited flights and they were spoofing everyone's locations and spoofing the planes location so that Iran and no other nation could see where the planes were. So they called me randomly at like 1am they said, Mr. Sims, are your bags packed? I said, yes. They said, okay, be downstairs at 3:00am I was like, okay, was downstairs at 3:00am a van picked me and about 15 other people up, went straight to the airport. Were in the airport. They only had like certain zones of the airport that we could go into. If I looked on my phone, my phone's location said I was somewhere over the middle of the Persian Gulf where I was. And I was literally at the airport. We got on the plane. That was the fastest takeoff I've ever had in my life. And I'm sitting there like, this could be my last flight, I don't know. But they upgraded me to first class and I was like, like, I'm not complaining.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Wait, I legit have chills. That is so crazy. So they were able to like get control of your phone kind of too?
Oliver Sims
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, like, because it's basically your phones work on like a location based thing. So wherever your phone is, the government there, they. They have control over your phone. So it's like I have a screenshot on my phone I can like actually send to you, but yeah, my location was like, over the Persian Gulf, like, was a hundred miles away from where I was because, like, they didn't want anyone knowing that people were. The airport. It was weird.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
And it's also crazy. Like, I feel like in traveling a lot, you have to like, trust the process. I mean, you're literally getting this random phone call at 1 o' clock in the morning to be downstairs at 3am and you're getting taken in a van. I mean, I'm so glad you are here to tell us the story. That is truly, truly wild. Speaking about, like, I love how you just like, dropped in the Chanel ion thing.
Oliver Sims
Oh, no.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Who do you talk to from Bravo? I noticed on the boat, like, you and Candace were pretty chummy. Chummy. I felt like you guys knew each other. Tell me about who's in your DMs. Who do you chat with?
Oliver Sims
I chat with Mary Cosby and Lisa Barlow the most. Like, on the phone. FaceTime, like, a lot. Like, weekly a lot.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
How is Mary?
Oliver Sims
She's, she's. She's doing as well as she can.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Yeah.
Oliver Sims
You know, she's taking it day by day, of course. I just. Just checking on her as much as I can. I think she was trying to do like, like a bit of, like a break on social media. Like, she hasn't been on social media. So it's like what I've been doing is like taking a picture of my outfit of the day and like, sending it to her and being like, hey, like, here's what I'm wearing. Like, just trying to do that. And like, I think she appreciates that.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
So that's so sweet.
Oliver Sims
Oh, yeah, no, she's great. Like, I was out on Saturday night and then Lisa Barlow, she sent me like, all these, like, videos of us when we were. When we initially met in Miami. She's super sweet. I love talking with her. Gertie from Miami. I love talking with Gertie. She's such a good time. I just, I adore her. I'm gonna be co hosting an event with Cynthia Bailey here in Dallas on June 21st. So, like, that's gonna be cool.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
We are a Lisa Barlow stance. And the Barlows were at the AMAs last night. Lots of Bravo people there. So Lisa and John Mia looked fantastic. J. Lo moment. Hannah and Rena did a award together. Jesse Solomon. Okay, let's take a break and come back, chat more. Imagine walking through your home and every room smells exactly the way you want it to. With Pura, you can set different fragrances for different spaces, something energizing in the kitchen, something calming in the bedroom. Control it all from the app and transform your everyday rituals room by room. Visit pura.com whole home to build your scent system today. Father's Day gifts usually end up in a drawer. I cannot get my dad another pair of socks, but this one will not I started using Story Worth and it is the coolest thing. My dad grew up in San Francisco in the 60s and he has the best stories. I mean he later became a police officer. He has unreal tales and I need this all written down compiled. So each week Storyworth sends him a question about his life life and he can answer it by email, on the web, voice recording or even a guided phone call. There are no apps, no text stresses. He just talks, which is great for my boomer dad. And I get to read every story as he writes it. And at the end of the year they turn it into a beautiful hardcover book. And it's his words, his photos, his memories. I'm obsessed with this gift. It's such a keepsake and really captures who my dad truly is. This year, give the gift that captures who your dad really is before the stories get harder to remember. Father's day is Sunday, June 21st. Order right now and save up to $20 at storyworth.com twojudgygirls save up to $20 at Storyworth.com twojudgygirls storyworth.com twojudgyGirls okay, if you've ever tried to buy kids clothes, you know the struggle. Everything is either way too big or way too small. You want room for them to grow, but you don't want them to be swimming in it. That's why I love using Whatnot for Charlie's clothes. Whatnot is a live shopping app where you can actually talk to the seller in real time. I can ask about the sizing fabric, how something fits and see it up close before I buy it. It is such a game changer. Plus you almost never pay full price. I have found amazing name brand pieces for a fraction of retail. I snagged Charlie $12 swim shorts from J. Crew, little sailboats on them. Adorable. I've also gotten him vineyard, vine things, Nike, even Mini Bowden. Mini Bowden is very expensive, fraction of the price. I'm literally obsessed. It's also just fun. It feels like a little community of people all looking for great deals together. Download the Whatnot app today and get free shipping on your first order. Just just search W H a t N o t whatnot in the App Store and start scoring amazing deals today.
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Oliver Sims
Lots of people will comment and they'll be like do this scene, do that scene. And so I get lots of comments a day and So I just go and I randomly pick one. And so sometimes people have been, like, requesting some for years that I've not gotten to, and I'm like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. And I'll go and, like, do that one that once I, like, randomly remember it or if there's a scene that I'm like, oh, people are gonna be asking about this one. Let me just go and do it. Last Sunday, Kelsey and Rosie, that fight. I was like, I know I'm gonna have to do that one tomorrow. So I just knew. But that.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
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Oliver Sims
That's pretty much how. But my favorite ones are definitely, I think, like, anything with, like, Nene, Kenya, Sheree love candy, like, during her mouth. Um, but yeah, those are my favorite. Which actually. Oh, my gosh. I was. Whenever I went on Watch what Happens live, Andy was like, which one's your favorite? And I'm Was so stupid. My response. I said, nene and Kenya, like, Kimore is across the street. Mind you. Like, they're not in the best position with Bravo. So why did I say that on Watch what Happens Live? Oh, I was like. But I didn't. It didn't hit me until, like, right after I said. I was like, oh, my God. But luckily, after the second commercial break, Andy was like, you know what? I think my favorite one is, like, charay, like, jogger Sprintsar. I was like, yeah, yeah, that's a good one. I was like, oh, my God, not Andy.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I'm sorry. I gave the wrong answer.
Oliver Sims
No, I talked to him afterwards, and I messaged him. I was like, I'm so sorry. He was like, you are so fine.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
You looked so good, though. You were wearing, like, all black and low neckline. I would say, you know, you looked fantastic. I was like, good. Good for him.
Oliver Sims
No, that's the thing. Like, my. Okay. So my friend Crystal came with me, and she was like, you need to, like, just. She said, I want you to wear a suit with no shirt. I'm like, I'm not doing no shirt. But what if I did, like, a silk shirt and just, like, unbuttoned it, like, two more times? She said, yeah. Then I get up to the bar, and I'm like, I'm up there. I'm like, do I need to unbutton it again? So I looked at Kiarna and Dr. Simone. I was like, do you guys think I should unbutton one? I'm not thinking that. Like, they're sitting low, right? And I'm standing up. So, like, their islander looking up at me. The camera's looking direct, so I unbuttoned it again, and it was really low, but I
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
was like, oh, wait, you looked fantastic. If you. If you got it, flaunt it. Also, do you have any acting background?
Oliver Sims
Oh, yes. Okay. Yeah, I should have mentioned that. So. But not, like, any official acting. I was in musical theater in middle school and high school, and so I, like, always loved acting. I've always loved theater, loved musicals. And so because of that, I think that's how I'm able to just, like, channel, like, a character or like a housewife, because they're not characters, but basically, like, let's say if it's, like, Nene, I'll just watch her on screen. I see how, like, she'll just be, like, really annoyed. She only talks with, like, her bottom teeth, and I just do that. And then it's like, with Candy, like, she's always smiling, like, always smiling her, like. Like, it's just always. I just have to, like, channel that, and then that's how I'm able to do it. But, yeah, definitely. I want to dive more into acting in the future, too.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
How long do these take you to make?
Oliver Sims
So, basically, if it's, like, a scene that's 30 seconds long, that'll be, like, 30 minutes for me to make from start to finish. If it's one minute, it'll be, like, one hour. So, like, today I'm actually gonna do the one on the most recent Atlanta episode, when K. Michelle told Drew, like, Yoda Lahi, that's 24 seconds long. That's gonna take me 24 minutes to do. So it won't take that long.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Oh, my God, I'm so excited to see that. And that's, like, the perfect segue, because we have to talk about this episode. It was called a sound bath Breakdown. So at the top of the episode, Kelly is at the restaurant. Her mom, you know, is basically doing everything for the restaurant Cara, and she's like, this. This place needs some training. It's been a real experience here. I mean, we. We already know that it's failed and it closed already. She also admits to having a boyfriend for over a year. And I was shocked to hear this. They are using the alias Jarvis from Iron Man. And I'm like, who is this guy? Does he have money? Was he the married man? What are you thinking about this? Were you shocked?
Oliver Sims
I was, because I'm. I also was a bit shocked, at least from, like, Kelly's perspective, because you're out here always trying to, like, talk about Portia, but, like, what's going on with you? You've had this boyfriend for over a year that you have not talked about when that's quite literally in the contract. Like, you're supposed to talk about it.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Right. And it's like, why is she hiding him? What is he hiding? What is she hiding? I'm very curious about that.
Oliver Sims
Yeah. Like, if he doesn't want to be on camera, if he's someone big, say that. Like. Like, just say that. Don't be so quiet about it. But that. That kind of bugs me a little bit completely.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I hate when it's like, you're on a reality TV show. If you're not gonna share your relationship, then you can't be on the show. That's my role.
Oliver Sims
Exactly. Exactly.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
The whole Kyle Richards thing annoyed me so much because she brought Morgan on the show, but then decided, actually, we're not going to share that. You just can't do that. Either you go all in or you're all out. What do you think about Kelly's confessional looks?
Oliver Sims
You know, a T shirt certainly would not be my confessional look. Or if it was, like, for me, I would put, like, a blazer on it. But then again, that's just me for Kelly to do that. No. Like, we've seen these. It was so interesting because it's like, we've seen these huge, extravagant looks in her confessionals from last season and this season, and then we see a T
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
shirt, and I'm like, no, one of her looks from last season looks the same as this season. That purple lilac one.
Oliver Sims
Oh, yes, yes, it does. It does.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
It does. It reminds me of something from last season. And obviously she's very upset about not being able to film with the kids, but I did not need to see the scene about the condoms with her daughter.
Oliver Sims
Me neither. I thought that was. I was like, whoa. Oh.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Let's talk a little bit about K. Michelle. Do you think the girls are plotting against K. Michelle?
Oliver Sims
Okay, personally, I don't think that they're plotting against her. I think that, you know, on her past, like, reality stints on the Glove and hip hop. Yeah, like, that's definitely happened. And I guess she's, like, noticing similarities and patterns, but this is not that show, and these girls are not those girls. It's different. I. I understand that you might be a bit paranoid. And you know what? If they are plotting on her, I will eat my words. Absolutely. Because then. Then I'm wrong. And I'll admit that. Right. I have no issue Admitting that, but it's like, I don't think that they're plotting on her. I definitely think that, like, the oyster thing that Portia said, I think that was, like, more towards Kelly. I didn't think that was, like, K. Michelle, because I don't even think Portia knew about, you know, her alleged body odor. I, I, I, I don't know how another way to say that.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
You said it perfectly fine. This is a safe space.
Oliver Sims
Okay, good, good. But, yeah, like, I, Like, I don't think she was talking about this. I don't think Portia knew. And, like, Andy said it on Watch what Happens Live. Like, if you didn't want people to know, like, why did you bring it up? So that.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
That's my Watch what Happens Live was interesting because Andy's like, you basically outed your. Herself.
Oliver Sims
Yes.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I think the comment about the miscarriage, I think was really strange, because my belief is that Portia and K. Michelle talked off camera, and she told her what happened. And then Portia came in and was like, oh, was it a miscarriage? And K. Michelle's like, we already talked off camera. You know, it wasn't a miscarriage. Why would you say that? So I feel like at that point, she was like, I cannot trust this woman.
Oliver Sims
Yeah, no, I agree. I think that they definitely talked off camera about that, but also at the same time, like, you know, Portia, like, she. Sometimes she can just be a little slow, just low. So that's. I don't know. I wouldn't. I need to see the rest of the season play out because I'm like, what plot?
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Like, what's also on Watch what Happens Live? When Andy was asking if he could be a patient of her husband's, I was dying because she was talking about how his, his thing is to his knees and how it's flopping around in the Scrubs, and Andy was like, can I make an appointment? I was like, how is this, like, not an HR violation?
Oliver Sims
I mean, at this point, like, Andy, like, HRs just like, oh, that. That's just Andy.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Okay, then we have, like, a little debrief between Phaedra, Angela, Portia, and Drew. How did, how did you feel about Phaedra's red hair this episode?
Oliver Sims
Honestly, like, I didn't mind it.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I think it's fun.
Oliver Sims
I think it's like, with Phaedra, like, I obviously this version of Phaedra, as if there's two different versions, but it's like, Phaedra on these seasons of RHOA versus, like, past seasons. You can see it's different. I'm liking her. Her looks. I think it's. It's fun. It's cool. I'm like, you know what? Just live it up. Do. Do what you got to do.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Completely. What do you think about this black situation? Do you think. Think Drew knew anything about this? Do you think she was setting K. Michelle up?
Oliver Sims
I don't think that Drew was setting K. Michelle up, but also at the same time, I have said, like, on other podcasts before that I love Drew. She is my favorite liar. Like, I love her. She is so funny to me. So if she is doing this, okay,
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
it's very interesting because they really aren't showing a lot of her life this season. I'm kind of missing. Missing that. I'm sure they're not filming with Ralph, and that's okay. Fine by me. We got her movie, but they haven't had a lot more. Basically just been focused on this black situation. And same with, like, Phaedra. She doesn't really show her personal life. She's great as a narrator, but she isn't giving us much of, like, what's going on with her.
Oliver Sims
Yeah. And I'm wondering if, like, I don't know, anything's going to change towards, like, the end of this season, but I think with Drew, we have seen a lot, like, last season, too. Whenever she was going to court and stuff this season, I am still shocked that we're not not seeing a lot of that. Maybe there's, like, new ordinances or whatever that we like why they can't film. But with Phaedra, like, I'm not sure.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
So, yeah, she's kind of a mysterious woman. Although I found out this week she can play a flute. People have not given that enough credit. I was hysterically laughing. She's just sitting there, like, ripping on this flute. It reminded me of Tom Sandoval and his painting flute. I just was like, this is wild. And she was good at it.
Oliver Sims
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, she's good at it. I'm like, you know what? This is what I want to see. Phaedra, let me just show me your flute lessons.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
She really can do it all. A Reiki master. She plays the flute. She's a mortician. The best narrator on rhoa. Like, she's fantastic.
Oliver Sims
She's so multifaceted. I love that. I love that. I feel like that's why she's just, like, kind of just chilling on the sidelines to hear. To give a good giggle. And you know what?
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Okay, wait Your next impression could be her playing the flute and then, like, shmia at the edge of the pool.
Oliver Sims
Like, someone did request that, but it's been raining here. And so I'm like, okay, I have to, like, pick the right time. When it's not too hot, I can go outside. I can do all this stuff. But I'm trying to pick the right time to do it. But, yes, I want to do that.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
That so funny. Let's talk a little bit about Portia and her sister. So Mike has been putting it on thick. He got her a mariachi band. She's enjoying the mariachi band. And then Dennis rolls up. I am shocked. They live in the same neighborhood. That's pretty wild to me.
Oliver Sims
That's very wild. That is very wild.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I feel like Dennis is obsessed with Portia.
Oliver Sims
I think so too. And, I mean, I think Portia said it whenever she was on her date with Sway that, like, Dennis has an issue with her when she's not single. I think that's what she said. But, yeah, like, so it's like, to. To your point, I think he's just a bit obsessed with Portia. It's like, he knew he messed up with her, so now he's just, like, having an issue with everything.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
So Portia's definitely the one that got away for him.
Oliver Sims
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Okay, let's talk about the date with Sway. I feel like I really was feeling the chemistry. I am super into them, and I love that she's, like, so open about, um. It's very refreshing. And I went on her social media. They are still together today. They are going strong.
Oliver Sims
I remember seeing their Christmas photos. I was like, oh, that's so cute. And then they were just, like, on a private jet or something. Like, yes, with. With pj. On a pj. With pj. Like, I like, no, I think they're adorable. I really like it. And then literally this morning, my mom sent me a TikTok of Sway. Like, it was one of those interviewers asking, you know, like, how did you, like, what was your first job? And, like, how do you make a bunch of money? And, like, I'm seeing more. This is, like, the most I've ever seen. But it's like, I'm really liking their chemistry together. I'm like, oh, this is really adorable. And, you know, you can see that Portia's happy. I think she just said on Cherry shepherd or something that, like, she, like, is happy. Like, she's in love. So I was like, oh, that's super sweet.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I did kind of, like, a deep dive on Sway. And so basically, she. She teaches people how to make money off salons. So she does salon suites and, like, rents out salon chairs for people. I was like, oh, that's very interesting that she seems very successful. And we know Porsche's into money.
Oliver Sims
Well, maybe. Maybe Sway can help Kenya more hair care or hair spa get back into things. That wasn't great. I'm just like, maybe that. That can help. I don't know.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
And you can totally be shady here. Let's talk a little bit about Shamia and Kelly. Do you their relationship than being besties?
Oliver Sims
I. I do, but also, I'm like, was this formed out of convenience? That's just what I'm wondering. Because whenever I see it, I'm. I'm like, okay. Like, they. They have, like, such a good kiki together. And I'm like, okay, like, you know, they're really good friends. But I'm like, was it formed out of, like, their mutual, like, I guess, disdain or disappointment with Portia? That's just in the back of my head. But, I mean, it seems like they're just fun and they have a good time together. So, like, that's. That's a good thing. But, you know, you never know. Some beautiful friendships can form out of a failed friendship from, like, a third person.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Do you think that Shamia and Portia will ever be able to be friends again?
Oliver Sims
I think that they can be for sure. I don't think that they'll ever get back to, like, where they were, but then again, miracles happen. I do think that they can be friends again or be friends from, like, afar, you know, just like. Like five feet in between or something like that. But, you know, friendships are kind of difficult. And what we're seeing, you know, the cameras added with it, like, that adds a different aspect to it that most people even I like, will, like, never understand. It's very complicated. But I do think that they. They can be friends again.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
It breaks my heart because I loved Shamia last season. I think she was a breath of fresh air. I love, like, seeing how rich she is and. And I was obsessed with her last year. And then this season, I am having a hard time. I'm pretty worried about her marriage. I feel like her husband is either gonna be like, don't do the show anymore. I'm worried about the marriage. Is this, like, foreshadowing? Is it not gonna work out? I mean, this week he is saying, I don't want you doing acting. He's, like, not not wanting her to do the rum business. It just feels like he wants her to stay at home and not work. So I'm worried about this. Although I feel like I wonder if he was into her singing, though.
Oliver Sims
Yeah, that's a very good question. There could be many different reasons as to why people say that, but it's like, for him to just, like, keep saying, like, don't do that. That's not really a good sign. And it's like, you see it so many times, like, where, like, men love to be, you know, in control, and they just love to, you know, have control of finances and they, you know, they get to go out and do all this stuff, but they want their wife to just sit at home and it's like, no, it's 20, 26. No.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Right. This happens so much in Housewives too, where the husband was always like, the breadwinner, and then they become a housewife and the. Their relationship changes because the woman becomes the breadwinner. So it's interesting to think about. I mean, that happens with so many people on Housewives, and that's why there's so many divorces, because the woman becomes the top dog.
Oliver Sims
Yeah, Becomes a top dog. Has, like, more fame, the More like a recognition. And it's like a lot of men can be spiteful, so it's like they don't like that.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Yeah, exactly. But I. I feel really bad for her in this moment. You know, they have one male embryo left, and it's just like this. There's so much riding on this moment. And I just, just. It is tough. And then it was funny to hear literally, like, Portia talking about how she doesn't want, you know, like, to be pregnant again. And she's asking her sister for her eggs. And then, like, Shamia's like, the opposite. She's like, I do not want my sister's eggs. Yeah.
Oliver Sims
Porsche was like, give me. Just give it to me.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Yeah. It's so good. Let's take a break and come back with Phaedra's event
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Oliver Sims
ho, and welcome to Fantasy Fan Fellas. I'm Hayden, producer of the Fantasy Fangirls podcast and your resident lover of all things Sanderson.
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Oliver Sims
And we are currently deep diving Brandon Sanderson's fantasy epic Mistborn. But here's the catch. Steven here has not read Mistborn before.
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Oliver Sims
Hey hey.
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So each week you'll get my unfiltered raw reaction to every single chapter.
Oliver Sims
And along the way we'll do character deep dives, magic explainers, and Steven will even try to guess what's next. Spoiler alert. He'll be wrong.
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Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Honestly, I wanted to be at this event. I mean, her backyard was like magical. The candles, everyone's floating. The sound bath, she's playing the flute. When her son came out as the lifeguard, I was cac Loved that I love.
Oliver Sims
That was fun.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I also like that she makes her kids work. Work, you know, she's like, you're gonna work for mom. Okay? Today you're a lifeguard.
Oliver Sims
I love. And I just love that. I love that about Phaedra. She's just. She's just fun.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Totally. And then, like, Shamia flotation device is popped, and she is essentially drowning. Luckily, the lifeguard saved her. So the women, they all gather and they have a nice meditation, and K. Michelle is like. Like, I am coming today. I kept my mouth quiet in Dallas, but I am coming today because Pinky and her ride over together, and she is pissed. She's like, so I heard from my ex that they were hooking up. And, like, who the hell does that? This is the last person I've been in public with. She knows I've been with him, and she's not a girls girl. She should have told me they have hooked up, because I would have told her. He puts his feet on the counter. And that's why I am a girl's girl.
Oliver Sims
Yeah. I'm falling. I'm falling.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Okay. Michelle, I feel like she stayed, like, very grounded at the beginning. She's like, I openly want to address everyone. She came in peace. She's calm, and she's like. But I heard that Phaedra, Portia, and Drew were gathering information about me, and her evidence is. The first time I sat down with you was that that you accused Kelly of sleeping with a married man. So that kind of turned me off. Then the next moment that turned me off was the miscarriage comment. And then I heard you guys are digging up information on me as well as the Black situation. And when you put all that evidence together, I was kind of on Kenny Michelle's side. What did you think?
Oliver Sims
No, it was when you put all that together, it's like you're adding all the pieces of the puzzle together, and it's like, this is looking like the truth. But I'm like, could it be, like, coincidental?
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Do you think that Portia should have told K. Michelle that she had hooked up with someone she's hooked up with?
Oliver Sims
To me, it depends on how good of friends you are. If it's someone who is my. A regular friend, Absolutely, yes. If you are a social friend, I wouldn't personally wouldn't really care as much. I mean, also, I don't really hook up people all that much, but, like. Like, that's just what I would think. However, for their situation, it's like Portia did technically bring Kay Michelle Onto the show. She was introduced as, like, Portia's friend or whatever. And in that case, I'd be like, yeah, you should say something. I don't like, how good of y' all friends were you guys, like, when it happened and everything like that? Like, I don't know those times lines, right?
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
No, it doesn't seem like they overlapped or anything like that. But I do think Portia should have been like, I've been friendly with your ex, or there's been a little bit forthcoming because you know it's going to come out on the show. Oh, my God. When Phaedra said that Portia and her had some overlapping with someone, I was like, dennis, who was that? I feel like. I feel like it's someone we know. Right? Right.
Oliver Sims
It's gotta be. But that's why she was like, I'm not talking about that. You asked Portia, and she'll tell you about that. I'm like,
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
do you think it could be Dennis?
Oliver Sims
No, I don't think it could be Dennis. I don't think it's Dennis. But it's like, I want to know who. Yeah, you know who I really wish, like, Portia gave a chance to. It was. This was what, back in season, Was it eight? It was that guy Oliver in Miami, where they were at that house. Because I could. I could see Phaedra going for him, too. I don't think it's Dennis, though.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I would die if it was Dennis. K. Michelle, I think, does a very good job at the community. She's staying super calm, and then she kind of loses it. She starts. Can you do the impression a bit?
Oliver Sims
Yodel. He, he, he. Nobody drew, like, how did. How do we.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
It was too good. It was too good. But whose side are you on? On in this situation? K. Michelle or Portia?
Oliver Sims
I'm gonna be honest. I don't think I'm on either person's side, because it's like, I see evidence on both. Like, I could see that Portia was doing this. Yes. I could also see that Portia just is slow. Yes. I could also see that K. Michelle, like, has been burned by many other people in the past and is like, I'm catching you before what you do to me. So it's like, I see what she's doing, and I've seen a lot of people say that, like, she is. Is not a good housewife yet. Like, in which, you know what? You gotta. You gotta work out all the kinks. So, like, I'm not on anyone's side when it comes to that. But if it was like, K. Michelle versus Drew, I think I'm on Drew's side of that with the whole black thing, because it's like she keeps bringing back up. That's what. That's my only thing with that.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I think T. Michelle was great on Watch what Happens Live. She kind of owns some stuff, and. Because she is reading the comments and everything like that. But, okay, then this fight goes haywire because then Kelly steps in.
Oliver Sims
That came out of nowhere.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
So Kelly's like, you know, I don't know if I should have come tonight. I'm in such a bad mood. She's stressed about her finances. Her ex won't let her film with her kids. K. Michelle and Portia are talking about hooking up with the same guy. And K. Michelle's old guy said, like, he said to me, I don't understand why I always end up with people's men like that. You said that? And Kelly cannot help herself. And she's like, well, we've established that Porsche has every Nigerian in Atlanta. And I was like, what?
Oliver Sims
I'm like, now, whoa.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
She's swirling the red wine production immediately steps in. That was how fast they. They jumped in. And then Portia's like, well, you fucked that married preacher on the plane.
Oliver Sims
And Phaedra knows. And Phaedra knows who. Exactly who I'm talking about. They're just like, yeah, I know.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
And I kind of saw some stuff, and I don't know, you know, all legend. Not true. But basically, there was this preacher at the AMAs, and they're claiming it's that preacher. And. And at first I thought it was, like, Jamal?
Oliver Sims
Yeah. No, first I thought it was Jamal. And Also, is Jamal Mr. Chocolate? I. I've been hearing rumors that he was Mr. Chocolate.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Oh, really?
Oliver Sims
That's what I. Those are the rumors that I heard that he was Mr. Chocolate. And I'm like, wait, so if he's Mr. Chocolate, then that means that Phaedra, Giselle, and Kelly were all with Jamal Bryant. But. But no, it's not Jamal Bryant. That's the one with Kelly. So I'm.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
This is truly wild. It's. To be continued. I'm so excited. It just. This was a fantastic episode.
Oliver Sims
Can we also say this was. This is a really good season, too? This is a very good season.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Yes. And people need to be tuning in.
Oliver Sims
Yes, absolutely. Like. Like Atlanta is doing. So. My mom watched her first episode of Atlanta with me. Me last Sunday, and she was like, oh, this is why you watch. Yes, yes.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
What was like, your entry to Bravo?
Oliver Sims
Oh, okay. I was. I was sitting here, like, literally in this spot right here. I was at. My internship was virtual. I had nothing to do for the rest of the day. So my manager was like, oh, just stay online, but do whatever you want. So then I get on my laptop and I'm scrolling on Hulu, because before Peacock, everything was on Hulu. And I'm like, let me watch a new reality show. Like, what is it going to be? And I click on the reality thing, and I'm like, wow. I see all these women in, like, purple and white with a green background. I'm like, this is fantastic. What is the Real Housewives of Potomac? So I clicked episode one Giselle with that wig and the whole etiquette thing at Karen's birthday party. I was like, oh, I'm hooked. I watched all of that, then went back and watched Atlanta and then went back and watched Beverly Hills. And then I was rewatching a new episode of Beverly Hills. Right after Beverly Hills was a new episode of Salt Lake City. And this is the first episode of Salt Lake City I ever saw. That episode was the episode of Jen Shaw getting arrested. And I was like, wait, now I have to watch Salt Lake City? So, yeah.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
So you're basically all caught up.
Oliver Sims
I caught up quick too. Like in a couple.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
I love it. I love it so much. Well, Oliver, thank you so much for being here today. Let everyone know where they can find you, where they can listen to your podcast, what it's called.
Oliver Sims
You guys can find me at Oliver Sims IV, aka Oliver Sims IV, on TikTok, Instagram, Instagram, YouTube, threads. I'm always on threads, just posting. And then also you can listen to my podcast, Oliver's reality Podcast. I post clips on my TikTok and Instagram. However, you can listen to that on Spotify and Apple music as of now.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
Awesome. Thank you so much for being here today. I look forward to that new impression coming out. And thank you again.
Oliver Sims
Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
Mary from Two Judgy Girls
All right, bye.
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as we all live through the chaos of another Donald Trump presidency, it can be easy to lose sight of his most troubling legacy. The U.S. supreme Court has reshaped the country's legal landscape on abortion, guns, religion and more in Slate's new season of Slow Burn, we're taking on Trump's first Supreme Court pick.
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Slow Burn Becoming Justice Gorsuch out now. Wherever you get your podcasts,
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May 26, 2026
In this lively and detail-packed episode, Mary (recording solo from the Bay Area) welcomes Oliver Sims, social media impresario, Housewife impersonator, and budding podcast host, for a deep-dive into the latest drama on The Real Housewives of Atlanta (RHOA) and all things Bravo. They dissect the most recent RHOA episode ("A Sound Bath Breakdown"), the swirling cast rumors, Bravo fandom, and Oliver’s viral rise as a content creator—including a harrowing real-life odyssey through a Middle East conflict zone.
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