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It's Courtney from LA and we have just crowned our 2026 March Madness champion, Rob Roche.

A (4:07)

You guys, yesterday was literally insane. I was so confident in the morning that West Wilson was going to take it all. I wasn't even worried about it at all. My. The day took a turn and he completely sabotaged himself because he tagged Rob Rous. Rob posted the story and his 1.9 million followers went to our story. The amount of votes we had yesterday was absolutely insane, record breaking.

B (4:49)

We had over 150,000 votes, you guys, no joke. We thought Wes was going to win mostly because he was participating and sent us photos. And also like Rob hadn't acknowledged the competition and so it just felt felt like with a bravo centric fan base heavy on Summer House in season, he had a great episode and we'll get to the rest later. Hold on. We just assumed Wes will take it. We posted it in like the first hour. He started to take the lead. It was like 61, 39, a solid lead.

A (5:22)

I was not worried at all when

B (5:26)

we post it if they're going to comment or not. It usually happens within like the first hour or two or so. We always say, you know, wait if you want to to see what happen. But then when west reposts, he was like, you hate to see friends go against each other and tags Rob and then Rob reposts West's. At that point though, things hadn't started to change yet because when you clicked on that it went to West's profile, not ours. And then someone sent it to us. So I just DM'd rob like hey, you have to tag ours. Not thinking he would even see it. And then he did. He deleted Wests. He reposted hours and you guys, it was like watching a ticking time bomb. It was insane watching the numbers just go from like thousands and thousands and thousands. Like people were like, it's not moving. It is so high in the number of votes that one vote is not swaying it one way or the other. I mean, less than 2,000 votes separated the winner from the loser in this

A (6:30)

competition out of 150,000 votes, which is actually insane. I just, I just knew as he started closing in and closing it, like me and Courtney are watching it and we're like, it's within 100 votes. Like, it's within 28 votes. It's with. And then he surpassed him.

B (6:49)

He's up by four votes now. And here's the thing. We said that we wanted West. I would be happy with anybody, but you know, I love a participation. So it was like once Rob did that participation, I was like, oh, things are going to take a turn. You just watched it because it was like literally a countdown. The reason I also thought it would be west was I knew that he would probably send a speech in because he was, you know, he's been so nice to us about everything.

A (7:15)

I had an alarm set on my phone at 3 o' clock as a reminder to myself, DM Wes for the acceptance speech. I was like, we can't ask.

B (7:26)

Because at that point too, it was like we had said, oh, within the first hour when we saw where it was going, we're like, okay, you as like throughout the week you could kind of predict where it's going to go. And I said, you know, like, just let it sit for a minute. We don't know. You text me, you're like, so that alarm went off. I think I'm gonna snooze it

A (7:44)

because we're trying to do back end work to prepare for the next day for the announcement, you know, and I'm sorry, I like to go to bed by 10 o', clock, you guys. I, I end up DMming Rob at 10 o' clock asking for a video.

B (8:00)

And even then we were unclear because it stayed at 50% for over six or seven hours. And I'm like, I don't even understand, like, what do we do if it's like 50, 50? Because at that point we have the exact numbers, but once the story expires, you guys, we can't see what the numbers are. We only see what the percent is. So I was like, if we, like, don't catch this and it stays at 50, 50, like, we just have to have our due D. Like, I mean, my eyes hurt from looking at my phone so often.

A (8:25)

Yesterday, I was, like, all over the place. I just felt like so much was going on. It would have been funny if we had to do, like, a revote or would we have crowned both? There was a lot of options. Yeah.

B (8:41)

I was okay with a double crown, though, because I thought that would be kind of funny. I mean, the fact that they are also friends and know each other, there's, like, a difference there than, like, the usual finals, you know, there. I feel like it was a healthy competition. It just. You had said it yesterday, too. Do you think that Rob reposting it would change and sway what was happening because of the. Just the follower count? It's like, maybe it could. And then I was. I was watching. I'm like, this is so crazy, because it wasn't like west wasn't gaining votes. Like they were gaining votes together. It just was, like, kind of going exponential for Rob once he posted it. And then it sat for hours. Like, people were like, I had posted. I'm like, if there was ever a time for you to reach out to anyone in your network, it's like now. Because literally every vote counts. No, but really, because it sat at 50, 50 for so long that I was like, we need as many people to put in whatever vote they want to to sway it one way or the other. Like, as a dual champion, it would have been great, but it would also been crazy.

A (9:50)

The whole thing was actually crazy. And. And the downfall of West Wilson because he literally posted it himself. Like, that's the craziest thing. He made himself lose, and he wanted

B (10:02)

to win the wet west way he could. That is. That is. Hey, I want to make sure my competitor knows. And if I lose, then I lose. But at least it wasn't. It was a fair fight.

A (10:13)

It was a fair fight.

B (10:15)

And then did Rob also smear Campaign west perhaps? Was it Rob who said, I've got to win this competition?

A (10:23)

It's just so wild to me because I. I'm very curious how much Rob was invested in it after it. I know Wes Wilson watched the stories. I don't think Wes Wilson slept last night because the news is wild. This hookup rumor has reignited. Yesterday, Sierra and Amanda were slated to do this Amazon live together. They do it yesterday, but separately. And so this is igniting the rumors. There is so much. But then there's also this alleged thing that there's a photo of it and it happened at Amanda's apartment. There is a photo of them kissing. Sierra saw the photo and that's apparently why they didn't do the Amazon live together. We have no idea if any of this is credible. That just it just it. Where there's smoke, there's fire for sure. But I, I, I just want to disbelieve it. And then, then we have to go backwards because his watch what happened live answer. It just there's holes in the story,

B (11:31)

but it's like it's sus because they were supposed to do this live together.

A (11:35)

And Sierra's makeup or hair person like

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to comment, like to post From Face Reality 16, which was commenting on them doing the separate lives and she's very close to her makeup artist. Okay, so let's, I'm going to read out the, the alleged text that is outing this photo and then I want to, I want to break this down because the logistics of this is a nightmare. Doesn't mean it's not believable. But I'm just like, I have a lot of questions after the fact. Okay. Hi. Okay, so disclaimer. I've never done this before because I never have tea and I don't know how it works, but I'm a baby snark, so this is from snark bait pod, but I'm a baby snark and have to secretly share with my girls. My blank has a Bravo page blank. These are all redacted and has gotten very friendly with summer house cast, southern charm cast and southern hospitality cast. Also with a lot of other Bravo pages and media companies. My redacted got a text from redacted who told her that his friend from redacted lives across the way from Amanda's apartment, her place without Kyle, and doesn't really watch the show apparently, but that she got a picture of Amanda and West kissing in her apartment. Then it gets back to Sierra somehow. And last night she met up with the girl who has the picture. The girl who has the picture showed it to Sierra and Sierra confirmed that it's west and Amanda and that she is definitely upset about it. Apparently the girl didn't want to put it anywhere and expose it in that way. She just wanted Sierra to know after all the rumors flew and after they denied hooking up. Redacted said he trusts the source but that it is a he said she said situation and that it's definitely why they didn't do the live together because Sierra found out last night. Okay. That's all. Lol. Feel free to use the story, but please leave out redacted his page's name and my name please. Love ya. And so then they respond, Wait, so Sierra didn't get confirmation until last night? Like they were denying it to her? That's insane. Oh, my God. And the redacted person says yes, according to redacted. I don't know if they denied to her. I would assume they did if they denied on Insta. And watch what happens live the other night when west was on so messed up. But you've always clocked west for being performative. Lol.

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Okay, the smoking gun is that they did the separate lives. Why did they do the separate lives? That. That just doesn't make sense now. Okay. However, this is so creepy, this message. You're telling me someone has a photo floating around, but it also at the same time feels like the Salt Lake City plane footage. Anyone can. Anyone can say this. And I feel like if someone went far enough to meet up with Sierra that they would have given this photo to a publication like a tmz.

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They.

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They already feel dirty. So that's what makes me question it. I wonder, though, if Sierra's hearing so much that she's starting to doubt Amanda. Like, there's something here for sure. And then it makes me think about when the rumor first came out, right after they were promoting Summer House, and Wes put up a story at Lindsay's apartment and Sierra is in it with Gemma. So it's just weird. This keeps coming up and it makes me doubt things and I don't know what's going on.

B (15:03)

So the thing. The situation you're talking about is the first we feast when they were doing that hot wing challenge, right? And then if you watch that video too, Mia to West has a little bit of like, you can tell that she's like, what's going on because of that rumor that had come out, right? But then, as you mentioned, that story, but then Mia was at this dinner, I believe it was last week. It was like this threads dinner here in la and like, KJ was there too, and they ask a question about Sierra and Wes, and she's really complimentary towards Wes. So I'm like, okay, so that has to be denied. I think you're right that the smoking gun of them not doing the live is what's throwing this whole thing off. Off. Because I think the rumors could be just as rumors if that didn't happen. My question is this neighbor doesn't watch Summer House. Amanda lives in a high Rise. Where is this photo being taken from? Why are they such a peeping Tom? Like, where's the privacy there? Where's the photo coming from? Like, through the people? How are they seeing it through a window? Like, I'm just. What's the setup of this? That they're able to access the inside of her apartment to see. See this?

A (16:09)

Or is she having an after party and everyone's drinking a ton and they sneak a kiss and someone's creepily getting a photo? I don't know.

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Yeah, the details are just like, it's a logistical nightmare to me of how this photo is happening. Then somebody commented on. I believe it was at Morgan P. Talks. And somebody commented like, you know, Amanda looks at Wes as like a safe boy because. Do you want to read it? Yeah.

A (16:37)

West is a safe boy bestie for Amanda because they'd never date. He's so much fun. He cares about his friends and they have mutual friends to hang out with all the time. And Amanda just goes, thank you.

B (16:50)

Now, though, is the keyword date? I don't know, like a drunken makeout, maybe? Let's just say I'm gonna deduce it to a drunken makeup. Not making it any better.

A (17:02)

Just.

B (17:03)

I. I just can't. I can't imagine that they would do whatever. I'm gonna deduce it to a drunken makeout, let's just say. So is she saying, well, I would never date him. Like, we made out drunkenly, but, like, that's its own thing. And when I say when I'm gonna date him, like, no, I was just being single as a Pringle and like, I made out with my friend's ex.

A (17:22)

Oh, so bad. And to refresh your memory, this is West's answer on Watch what happens live. Andy says, you were hanging out. And he says, we were just hanging out in New York. I gotta show her the streets if it's not clear. That's a very important person to me. That's a friend. I hope it's clear. It's just. It is also Amanda and Sierra today. Everyone's talking about this. They can easily say, we did the Amazon live separately because. But no one's saying anything now.

B (17:57)

I don't think Sierra would around like this where she would do things for a storyline or whatever, but I'm like, if there is attention on this and you want to put up your paid partnerships right now, this is the time to do it because this is when people are going to be engaging. This is when people are going to your page constantly to See if you're posting anything to see what's happening. We're looking for any crumbles.

A (18:18)

Okay. And then yesterday, Kyle Cook makes an apology. It says there's no excuse for how I acted last summer. The way I spoke to and about Amanda was unacceptable. And it's brutal to watch back, but not nearly as painful as what she's had to go through. Amanda and I have already spoken about all of this, but I felt the need to acknowledge this publicly. I'm truly sorry and regret the way I handled myself. I know nothing can erase the hurt I caused. She never deserved that. And I need to be better now. People are also saying that he.

B (19:02)

I'm the people. I think he posted this. I think he posted this that this rumor was starting to circulate because is why is he posting it two days later as opposed to right after the day that that episode came out? He posted him drinking a bottle of champagne in a green room. And then he posts this apology two days later. Is he one trying to get it out there that, like, he apologized and now, oh, my God, he's being hurt by his ex and a friend. You start to just. Your mind goes everywhere. Because now I don't think this is a scandal. And I know that for you this would be worse than scandal. I still don't feel that way. I don't think it has the severity of Scandival.

A (19:41)

You don't think this is going to break up the friend group?

B (19:46)

I guess what I mean, though, in the consequences of west is Sierra's ex. So they're not currently together. Amanda is not cheating in her relationship because they're separated. Like, obviously they're hurting their friends. But the gravity of Scandival, of Tom and Ariana being together in a decade's relationship, this person's constantly sleeping, sleeping over. That held more weight in the surprise and shock. I also joke too. I was talking about this in our group chat yesterday is like, I was also in Hawaii on a hike when this happened. So, like, the shock factor to me was more crazy because that was also like the first of its kind that was so international. I don't think that this is going to like CNN International to be like scand, of all people are calling this, by the way, the west side Story. You've got the west side Highway. You've got West's name, New York based.

A (20:41)

The difference is this is a slow build because when we first heard it, we're like, no, no, no. And now it's coming up again and we're questioning it there isn't the betrayal of the cheating, but we expect more out of these people. I think that's the difference.

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You say that now, though. We loved Sandoval and we. I'm saying me, I was trying to convince people he was hot. Thank you.

A (21:05)

That is so true. You wanted him to win March Madness because of that one video, that light in a bottle.

B (21:13)

I'm just saying, like, what we know now we're rewriting history because he's a worm with a mustache. But, like, realistically then they were the power couple. They were the number one guys on the show. Like, it was about the Toms. It was the biggest fall from grace you've seen. I think now maybe with history and being like, you've seen what happened there. You saw with like the Lindsay and breakup. We've seen with, like, other breakups that have kind of rocked the Bravo verse is that I think the buildup of it, like, I agree with you. It's such a betrayal in your friend groups, especially when there's so many men out there.

A (21:49)

But this also will literally screw up people's jobs because we need, like, a flowchart because think about this. So if this really did happen, what is going to happen with Summer House next, next season?

B (22:04)

I think it only messes with Sierra and what she wants to do. Amanda and Kyle are over in the city. Let's just say that's their show. They're not coming back to the Summer House. What it messes with is the Summer House between the relationship of west and Sierra. And, like, at the end of the day, she's the one I feel bad for in this situation because she's already been embarrassed by this man. The reason I thought this couldn't happen was because I thought that west was smarter than this to put himself through the ringer again and for, like, a makeout with Amanda. Is it worth it? That was my thought. Is. I think he just was savvier than this. And he still could be, by the way. This is still not confirmed, but, like, this is still gossip.

A (22:48)

It is gossip. That is for certain. I just. I don't know. I don't know. It's weird. It keeps coming up. It's weird.

B (22:57)

That's why I just was, like, for me convinced, like, you're like, no. On a personal level. They, like, could never do that. Like, we. We've met them before. I just think he's just like. I think this could really mess with his career in a way of how the Bravo fandom reacts. That's why I Was like, there's no way. I do need to see the photo. I need it burned into my retinas. I need to see it because I said they could be hooking up in front of my face. Also, did we also mention that watch what happens live too, to come full circle? Because I refuse to believe that Bronwyn and Todd are getting a divorce, but that Bronwyn and Wes were like, chit chatting on the phone.

A (23:31)

I. I saw that. I saw that.

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I was like, what is happening here?

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And the Salt Lake City girls met Bronwyn's guy in San Francisco.

B (23:42)

Yes. Now, Rob, if you drop this lore in order to get your win, that is very sneaky of you. We do have to congratulate Rob. Congratulations on winning.

A (23:53)

He slithered his way in at the very end. I was truly, truly shocked. This was such a fun year. Yesterday was so fun. Like, I. I genuinely was stressed, nervous. I was getting so many text messages from friends that aren't even bravo people. Like, I just felt like it brought a community together.

B (24:17)

But if this all comes out that this is just a big lie, nothing's happened. Are people going to be nicer to West?

A (24:25)

I think they would be. I don't know how we're gonna squash these rumors.

B (24:31)

Squash the beef. Squash the beef.

A (24:35)

The reunion has to be around the corner.

B (24:38)

It's such a crazy game of telephone that keeps getting, like, more and more exaggerated because then it's like Bravo producers are trying to figure out the info for the reunion, and I'm like, so then who's talking to Bravo producers about this? Because if Sierra just found out about this last night and changed the live, like, what is going on? Who is in the know about all of this? And that's why it's like, sometimes I'm like, this is crazy. Also, west is not going to say anything at the reunion even if the news comes out, even if today it was confirmed that they had a silly makeout and whatever happened, I'm not trying to reduce it to silly. Like, again, I'm team Sierra and all this.

A (25:15)

Right. Also, was it, like, just a silly, like, dare make out I. A drunken shenanigans? I don't. We don't know. I got to have more information. Okay.

B (25:27)

I need info.

A (25:28)

So it's just weird. It keeps coming up. Why is it Rob keep coming?

B (25:35)

I think Rob wanted to win.

A (25:36)

I know.

B (25:37)

I think Rob was like, I'm just gonna, like, drop this little nugget and see what happens. At the end of the day, we really don't know these People, all of us, like, we don't know these people and we don't know the inner workings. But like I would pay buku dollars to be in the side group chats in summer house. House. Like, I would love not the main chat because whatever. I want the talking side chats right now to see what's going on. I don't even have to participate. I just want in.

A (26:06)

Like, what's the next podcast? Someone on the cast is going on.

B (26:10)

Probably a caller daddy also. You want to segue into that?

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Yeah. Well, this is crazy because Jesse confirmed

B (26:23)

it's kind of the same situation.

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It is, it is. Jesse had to send Miranda flowers because at a party she was making out with Chase. But we. This is all confirmed because Miranda showed us the note and made a statement about it.

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Like, yeah, like read this statement for us. She also made a tick tock too, basically being like, I need new friends. It's like you have the Amanda West Sierra, which is like all like unfounded rumors right now. Maybe there's an ounce of truth and maybe it is true, whatever, but nobody's confirming or denying. Then you have secret lives of Mormon wives that somebody says a rumor and they confirm or deny it immediately. Secret lives. There's no secrets over there. They. They should try to keep some secrets.

A (27:11)

Unfortunately, I am familiar with this territory. I knew there had been communication between Chase and Jesse, but not to what extent. Then Chase was upfront and told me that they were talking and that they kissed. Jesse reached out after she knew Chase had told me something was going on with them. And today at the same, a rumor started spreading online that something was going on with Chase and Jesse. I received apology flowers from Jesse. You guys, this is like. It's just. It's wild. That one, this is a statement and two, we were like getting every fact.

B (27:47)

What.

A (27:48)

What I never want is to get to get misconstructed is that there is not an emotional attachment to Chase. He is my co parent. Although I deal with. Although I do feel disrespected by Chase, I feel slighted by my friend. Chase and I are no longer partners. And while I have high expectations of him as a co parent, I also hold my friend to a high standard and believe in girl coat. With you guys, it's just like so silly. You know what I mean? Like, could you imagine if you had to write this? And like it's. This is by ET Guys, with everything going on and all the chaos, I am just focusing on my kids. As unfortunate as the film break is and. And and then also this betrayal. I'm going to try and focus on my kids and reground myself. I am processing it and moving forward.

B (28:41)

I mean, poor Miranda. Miranda and Sierra. Imagine if they did a random collab. Okay, here's the collab. They need to do frame. We've got nothing in just plain background. All of a sudden, from each side, Sierra and Miranda enter frame. They bump each other in the shoulder. They go, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. And then they just keep walking out of frame. There's no confirmation on anything. It's just letting you guys know. We know the two of them being it because it's a similar situation and just being like when you accidentally bump into someone.

A (29:16)

One.

B (29:16)

That's it. Imagine. Imagine, like, the life is truly stranger than fiction. It is so crazy. All of this stuff happens. Like, I just cannot imagine. Like, we are, as fans, all of us collectively are freaking out looking for any morsel. Can we get a detail? Can we get a confirmation, whatever? And then these people are just, like, living their lives willy nilly. Like, they're putting on a performance. We are in the Truman Show.

A (29:46)

Oh, it's truly wild.

B (29:49)

Like, is this an experiment? Are the aliens messing with us?

A (29:55)

Courtney? I just think, what a time to be alive. I'm so happy, truly.

B (29:59)

We're, like, on our phone all day, and then these things are coming through, and then people are messing. Is this gonna mess with the votes? I'm like, I don't even know what's happening right now. I'm, like, trying to figure out. I'm online. I'm like, oh, my God, this is crazy. Just, like, you literally have to be chronically online. Like, something I posted something about being like, who is this peeping Tom? And someone's like, sorry, are we talking about the holding hands under the table? Like, that was weeks ago. You need to be up to the minute online chronically to understand what's going on. It's just. It's insane.

A (30:36)

It's insane, insane.

B (30:38)

Maybe tomorrow it'll come out that the rumor is not true, and then he has a chance next year. And he does have 365 days to campaign now. Well, less than. I can't math it right now. If the rumors are untrue, we got to start the campaign now for him. What happens next?

A (30:57)

You know what? We will watch what happens.

B (31:00)

All right, well, let's take a break and think about it, and then let's come back and talk some Beverly Hills.

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A (35:33)

You guys Beverly Hills, what are we doing?

B (35:38)

What is.

A (35:39)

What is going on? This episode was so, so bad.

B (35:47)

The problem with Beverly Hills is when you have everything else that's happening. March Madness, rumors of cheating, rumors of hooking up, whatever it is. It's like, then you go to watch this as like maybe even a pallet cleanser and you're like, is this a waste of an hour for me? Nobody on this ca seemingly as friends. I actually take that back. The main Kyle D storyline is like, you guys just aren't friends.

A (36:10)

Figured out this week why Natalie is on the show and hasn't been edited out. And it's just because Kyle had that one line that says the cameras don't lie. So just because Kyle had that one great line that they could tease all season that that you're right. You know that that's Literally the only reason why Natalie is here because there was this one moment that they talk about a mask and Bose has pretend amnesia, otherwise she wouldn't be on the show. I'm serious.

B (36:45)

She wasn't invited to the reunion.

A (36:47)

Like, this is the only reason why. It's crazy because there's one line by Kyle Richards that's the only reason you got camera time.

B (36:58)

Natalie posted a story and was like, whoops, sorry about that. Like, next time I'll do better. It's like, babe, there's no next time. Also done.

A (37:06)

You. You didn't do anything wrong. I loved her line about the tennis match. She's like, I felt like I was playing against a tennis player that, like, surpasses me by so much. Because she didn't lie about it.

B (37:19)

She.

A (37:20)

She is recalling it from her memory. She said, who would wear the mask? Bose says, Amanda. And she let Amanda know that. And she's not. She's never lied about it.

B (37:31)

It's also just so minute. Like, obviously, if I'm Amanda, like, I would feel bad that they're talking about me and trying to figure that all out. I think for Bose is like, she clearly also is like, I don't like Amanda. I think she's a scam artist. I think she's a grifter. I'm gonna call her out because Bose is like, so I also have a product that's similar, but that's actually more successful. And also, Bose has been CMO for how many am. Hundred companies? Like, tons. Right? And so it's like, we are not the same.

A (38:00)

No.

B (38:01)

But it's also just like, at this point, I'm anything against man. I'm like, I just, like, don't care. Like, Sutton, I don't even know why you're crying. It. It is, like, weird to me that you're getting so emotional about this because of your store. So it's like, okay, you're projecting your own feelings onto Amanda. It's like, guys, just ignore Amanda. Just ignore her. Because it's not even worth the storyline. Cuz nobody's looking good in this.

A (38:22)

They gave her so much light at this point. It feels like they are bullying Amanda. Right. And I love both, but she didn't look good this week. She didn't look good last week. And if th. This obsession with Amanda is so weird, where they could have literally not talked about her and she would have faded into the distance, she wouldn't be a part of the group. They've made her look better. It's just. It's Wild how it backfired. And it almost is interesting. I feel like Sutton realized, oh, this is gonna backfire, and that's why she decided to start helping Amanda.

B (39:04)

Well, I also think with Sutton, too, is because of what happened with Garcel, is she's actually being really. Calculated's not the right word and not even strategic, but she's really thinking about her relationships with every person on this cast, and she doesn't want drama with people, and so she's really trying not to be singled out. Like, she wants a season where she just kind of floats by. Right. And, like, she's either with the group in the majority of. She's, you know, going to be kind of Kyle's minion and have her loyalty there while also being like, dorit, I understand you. And Amanda, I understand you. Because she doesn't want the smoke.

A (39:40)

It's super interesting because I feel like she realizes, like, as she's filming, she's like, I don't know how the viewers are going to think about this. I'm going to help out Amanda and then in the process, I will be on team Kyle, which is always the best team to be on because she's the queen bee of this show.

B (39:56)

Is she anymore, though, after this season? I mean, it does feel like this was a terrible episode for Kyle. It's not been a great season for her. Obviously. We'll get into more detail, but, like, Kyle trying to convince the group that Dorit is bad, basically, and the group pushing back or, like, not giving it the attention like they shouldn't be giving to Amanda, Kyle, like, does not know how to react in this. And it feels like between Bose, Rachel and Dorit, in the context of going up against Kyle, not with Amanda, but, like, going up against Kyle is like, Kyle's not winning at this point.

A (40:36)

If I started, like, overthinking this and I'm like, she is trying to allude to something, like, crazy about Dorit, like, oh, you're erratic the spending. It made me. This is, like, wild. But I'm like, is she trying to, like, say drugs or something? Like, I don't like it. It literally.

B (40:59)

Oh, interesting. I love Rachel's line where she was like, look, it's different for me. I've known Dorit for two months, and this is always how I've known her. But this seems like this has been her behavior since the beginning. She's always been late. She's always spent a lot of money. Like, this is actually just fundamentally who she is, which she's not wrong. Since We've known Durie. She's been late and has spent. I mean, her house in foreclosure because she has no money, but she spends to buy the Kelly. She spends to buy love shack. Fancy. And wasn't there that rumor, too, that she wasn't allowed to shop at Louis Vuitton anymore because she returned too much stuff.

A (41:31)

You told me that rumor.

B (41:32)

Did I make it up?

A (41:35)

I don't think so. I don't think so.

B (41:36)

There was. It's a rumor, right? Okay, yeah. All the rumors are happening. Never, ever substantiated. But I just keep thinking, like, Kyle, you wanted the group to turn on Duri, and unfortunately, they're not going to do that because they also kind of see through Kyle here, too. It's wild to watch the turning of the guard in a way of. I don't know that Kyle stands at the top anymore when there's all these other powerhouses on the cast now.

A (42:05)

Now. Well, and Dorit figured it out, too. Kyle is basically punishing Dorit for reading out the texts last year.

B (42:15)

And that's like, two years ago, by the way. Okay. Two years ago. That was at that reunion a long time ago. Wasn't even last season because Kyle texts PK that was last season because she was punishing Dorit for the season before. So I'm like, you sat on this for this many years because she read the text out loud. Loud.

A (42:34)

I also feel like Kyle, the way that she keeps on saying the same thing. The. The erratic, the spending, the ocd. She wants the viewers to think something, and I don't know what it is.

B (42:48)

Yeah. I mean, for them to be like, okay, the three of us are gonna go have a private chat on camera. If you wanted to talk to Dorit privately, you would do it off camera. You obviously wanted to do it on camera. So they go. And Erica is playing the mediator here for a little bit, too. Erica was call the shots of, like, who's telling the truth? Because Kyle said. Well, even Bo said. And Erica was like. She did? When did she say that? What? Like, was I there? Because I think Erica was like, we have to keep our group together. We are the Fox force five. We're falling apart here. What's going on? We have these alliances where we don't talk about things on camera, and now we're mentioning it all, and she's trying to keep a semblance of this group, and it just goes completely south.

A (43:33)

There just feels like many times on this trip that the production had to get involved because there's nothing going on. And they're like, all right, not everyone's going the winery. We got to get dorit. Kyle and Erica, they're going to go get gelato and not pay for it. And we're going to get them to confront each other. And also, it. Erica's literally says, I feel awkward. I. I care about you both. You guys are at odds. I hope this gets resolved. Like, she is trying to step away from the situation because she still wants to be friends with them both. And then I feel like kyle was like, okay, I gotta do something now. Like, I gotta earn my paycheck. Like, I gotta rile her up. It just felt so put upon. And then when dorit leaves them, and that is supposed to be like this big, big moment. Like, they're abandoned in Italy, stranded for 26 minutes when it took the guy 20 minutes to take her home. Like, it just.

B (44:30)

It was like.

A (44:31)

It was so underwhelming.

B (44:33)

How was production gonna get home? There were cameras with them. So you're telling me there wasn't a van for production there that, like, they couldn't get a ride, or do I think that this was set up? When dorit's walking away, she even says, come on, girls, let's go. And they said, no. She's like, all right, I'm going home by myself. There's two of the same vans sitting right there. So I know that there was a ride home. This was basically set up for them to do this whole thing. Like, she left us. How are the camera guys gonna get home?

A (44:59)

Home?

B (45:00)

Because there's another van. Where did they roll this little gelato cart out from? Because they were going to get gelato. And I'm thinking a storefront. And then we've got a little cart. And the Kyle's like, oh, we forgot to pay. Why did they leave that part in? I don't. The whole thing was so weird. And, like, you just said, too, we can't have people going to the winery. So what we're doing is we're doing a setup. And I know dorit's like, oh, great, she's already on the defensive. Because you're telling me that dorit thinks when they say, hey, here's the call she sheet dorit, Kyle and erica are going off together. That dorit's not thinking, oh, great, they're going to come after me. Exactly.

A (45:33)

Yeah.

B (45:34)

Erica says, like, you are immediately defensive. Like, I know you're going through a lot right now. And it's like, yeah, because I know that you guys. I'm being set up here.

A (45:42)

Yeah. I thought it was interesting when dorit was like, well, you have a tough time showing me support, Kyle. And then Kyle said, you don't ask anything about me and mo. When she said that I was married three times longer than you. That is up. And then I love what dorit said back, though. And she was like, you say everything is perfect. You don't want to talk about it. What is there to say?

B (46:07)

You're nuts.

A (46:09)

I. I loved Dorit's. Come back to that. And I could not believe Kyle was, like, trying to compare their marriages as they're both crumbling and like time mattered.

B (46:20)

But not only that. That last season, I can remember they pretended to eat that oven pizza at Dorit's house where they sat across from each other at her long table, and dorit was looking like, we can do this together the whole time. We have said since the beginning, dorit wanted Kyle to be there as somebody who's also going through that they could share stories with what Rachel's basically providing for Durie and Kyle wanted none of that. Kyle, if you act like everything is rosy, guess what? Everyone's going to treat it as it's Rosie. When they all said in the Hamptons they were all divorced and you said, whoa, separated. You want to purport a different life than what yours is, then is what I'm understanding.

A (46:59)

And we're not allowed to talk about so much stuff with Kyle. It's still insane to me. I could. I can understand that. I think what happened was her and Morgan were dating. Everyone figured it out because they were on the show together.

B (47:12)

The music video.

A (47:14)

Exactly. But then Morgan didn't like that attention, which is fair. And. And they should have come and said, you know what? I am dating someone, and I can't talk about it anymore on air or whatever it is. But the lies and pretending that she never dated was crazy.

B (47:32)

Are we sure they dated?

A (47:34)

And. Stop it, Courtney. I. I mean, you know, it's like, I just feel like people have protected Kyle for so long, and Dorit's like, I'm not going to do that anymore. You're not helping me at all.

B (47:46)

You don't like me. You like PK and you want to be close to PK because it makes you close to mo. Like, yeah, I trust bose. I don't trust you. Kyle now all of a sudden trying to pretend like her and dorit have been friends. And it's like, kyle, choose Elaine. Choose Elaine. Basically. What is happening to. Like you just said, Dre is done protecting the group because she doesn't feel protected. So, you know what? If you guys aren't going to help me out and be on my side with the PK stuff, Kyle, then, like, I don't give a shit anymore, okay? Like, this isn't an alliance. This isn't a friendship. It's done. And also, it's funny how you're trying to put a wedge now because I've made real connections with other people on this cast, as in Bose and Rachel. And you don't like that it was

A (48:31)

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A (50:38)

It was Erica, Kathy and Kyle at breakfast and they're all like whispering around the table and they bring up the dreeping late and texting all the time. And then the Natalie liar comment And Kathy questions it, and Kyle is like, pissed. You're like, I am your sister. Who are you gonna believe, me or this person? You just. She's a liar.

B (51:05)

I know it.

A (51:06)

And you know, she put Kathy in her place. And you could just tell. Kathy's like, I don't know, though. She's questioning Kyle and she's not helping Kyle at that final dinner as well. But when Kathy starts talking about how men don't like women being late and talks about Conrad Hilton, he couldn't take it anymore. With Jaja Gabor, it was just too much

B (51:35)

like, where does she pull this out from?

A (51:38)

Her mind is racing all the time, like.

B (51:42)

And Erica's like, oh, was Jaja late? She was. There's quirky Kathy again, just dropping facts from 1954.

A (51:54)

It makes you laughs so much, though.

B (51:57)

Like, what? Also, why does she get to go shopping for an hour?

A (52:02)

I think she genuinely. These are vacations for her.

B (52:05)

For Kathy?

A (52:06)

Yes. She's like Ramona. Like, they treat them as real vacations when everyone else is like, this is a work trip.

B (52:13)

Kathy's like, you guys don't actually have to pay me for this part. I want to free fly it over. And then I'm just going to kind of go off on my own.

A (52:21)

In the after show, she's like, well, Kyle and I, it's really nice to film together because that's how I get to see her. Because when she's filming, I didn't get to see her anytime. But now that we do it together, I see her. It's like, also, you guys, the after show was so bad, there's nothing to talk about, that they have to start talking about odd jobs they had as young girls. Like, it was terrible. And Amanda Francis had about 20 different jobs.

B (52:50)

Of course she did.

A (52:51)

Of course she did. Because she probably did all these jobs jobs. But for like, one month.

B (52:57)

He's an old employee.

A (52:59)

Totally. She's like, I was a sunglass kiosk person. She rattled off, like, 40 things. It was nuts. But I bet they're all on her CV.

B (53:13)

At one point. Kathy's just not there. And then she just, like, walks back onto screen with Jennifer and Natalie. I'm like, what is happening here? Like, what are we doing? What are we doing? And then I think it was funny, too, is like pre dinner, when they're coming back from the ambush and from the winery, when they're all sitting at that table pre dinner, and Kyle's trying to convince them all of everything. And like you said, Rachel, like, denies it and she's trying to imitate Dorit a little bit. And Bose kind of jokingly, but also a little seriously, like, don't do your imitations, Kyle. Like, don't do it. She's like, well, I would need to use different accents. Like, she is so riled up that she thinks she can get the group on her side. And everyone at this point is like, we are so sick of the durie. And Kyle's like, durie is late. It will always happen. That is what it is. We want to enjoy our last night in Tuscany.

A (54:06)

It. It honestly, it just feels like pressure on Kyle right now from production to make something happen because the season's so bad.

B (54:14)

Bad.

A (54:14)

You.

B (54:15)

You. You're on to something.

A (54:17)

She feels like, oh, my God, I really got to do something to save this because nothing has happened.

B (54:23)

And it.

A (54:23)

It feels like the last chance.

B (54:26)

When they go off to dinner, it's like Rachel and Dorit that are in a van together. And Rachel fills her in. She's like, by the way, I don't think this is friendship. You have to trust people, and there is no trust here. And then they get into the little tram to go up to dinner, and Dorit's not feeling well because she must have motion sickness or something. Kyle. Of course she's ignoring me. Well, Kyle, you did just try to ambush her. Do you think that Dorit should be all but, like, what are you trying to get from this? You're creating a mountain out of a molehill. It is just. It's insane and it's not making you look good. And Dorit's the one who has the support at the end of the day. No.

A (55:03)

And Kyle lost her composure at the dinner. Like, Dorit stayed very, very calm. She's like, we were in the Hamptons for four days together and you didn't say shit to me. And you facetimed Bose during that, talking about me. Like, if you had real concern, you would have expressed it, and you didn't. And you keep on bringing this up, and it's the common denominator. No one's buying it. Everyone knows I'm late all the time. Do you remember me going to Malibu for Teddy's freaking meditation fitness? Like, I was six hours late, okay?

B (55:36)

I take a long time window photo shoot that I had to do, okay?

A (55:42)

I do my glam. I'm always late. Know that. And I can buy whatever I want. You don't know about my finances except that PK showed them to you. I mean, not PK Mo, because PK show mo, but anyways, the Google Doc. I don't care. You bought the kelly. Da da da da da da. And she's like, well, clearly you do because you keep talking about it. Please stop saying you don't care when you do. And then Kyle just loses it.

B (56:12)

Quit riding my ass all the time. Like, has she?

A (56:19)

But I feel like Kyle, that was like, genuine pissed off because she's like, this is my goddamn show. None of you guys have showed up this season. I'm carrying it on my back right now. Like, you girls aren't even supporting me. Sutton, Erica, like. Like, come on. I'm looking for a fox force five and no one's contributing. Dorit's winning right now. Like, she's living. My own sister's not backing me up. Like, she's livid. That's why we see the rage throughout the day.

B (56:54)

2 has just gotten herself riled up. Started with the. The night before with the Amanda stuff, and then it was the Dorit stuff. And then she's like keeps going and she just pacing. I mean, her hair is in a ponytail tail tonight because she doesn't have the energy to curl it and make it look nice because she's the only smart one who doesn't bring glam with her on these trips. And that's the one thing we're gonna give Kyle this episode. Okay, Dorit's not riding your ass. If anything, I think you might be riding her ass all the time.

A (57:22)

I completely agree with you. And. And truthfully, I don't care if Erica, Kyle, and dorit come back together. I don't even care to see it at the reunion. Like, if it's three parts, I will die. Die.

B (57:35)

Well, you're gonna die because it's gonna be three parts.

A (57:38)

For sure.

B (57:38)

It will be three parts. But I think you're right. It's like at the reunion was like, so is there any hope for you, Kyle and Durie? Do you see a way in which you guys could mend this and they'll go, well, I'm hopeful. Say no. It'll be the most interesting part of this next season. If there's actually straight up a divide in alliances where you have Erica, Sutton, Kyle, bring back Amanda if you want. And you got Bose, Rachel and Dorit on the other side. And you got Jennifer till Italian water taking her thirst traps. I feel for the reunion for three parts. Here is time on Amanda. The majority is obviously going to be Kyle, Jerry. But what are the other things that we spend time on at this three parter?

A (58:22)

Well, I mean, Erica had A very crazy story that she shared with us this season that I feel like, God, I forgot barely touched on. I mean, Bose has a big story happening too. Like she's trying to have a child.

B (58:37)

Oh, my God, I forgot.

A (58:39)

That's the thing. Like, we had content, we have good stories, but it's not coming together for some reason.

B (58:49)

It's just spending too much time on a relationship that's done. And we're trying to pretend that they could be friends at some point and they don't want to be and we don't need them to be because that's what we've been saying this whole time with Beverly Hills is we've had this alliance for so many years where we're like, are they actually friends? Like, what's going on? Are they all protect themselves? And finally they're not protecting themselves. And it's like, let him go at it. But like, we don't need to try to mend things. Don't try to tell us that they're friends. They're not.

A (59:17)

I'm also so curious because people are hate watching this. Like, they still have the viewership. So I'm like very curious where the cast is going to go because something has to be shooken up. Courtney, you have a fabulous weekend. Go watch your videos of March Madness one last time. It was a fun year and we will see you guys much Monday.

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