TJG: RHORI S1 E11 with Abbey Bonadies!

Summary

Two Judgey Girls – TJG: RHORI S1 E11 with Abbey Bonadies!

Podcast Date: June 9, 2026
Hosts: Mary (Bay Area), Courtney (LA; largely absent this episode)
Guest: Abbey Bonadies (pop culture “flowchart” expert, content creator)

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Episode Overview

Mary welcomes special guest Abbey Bonadies to discuss all things Bravo and reality TV, focusing on Real Housewives of Rhode Island (RHORI) Season 1, Episode 11, along with deep dives into ongoing drama from Love Island USA, Summer House, and Dancing with the Stars speculation. The conversation is energetic, pop-culture packed, and full of inside knowledge—especially key connections between reality stars, upcoming cast rumors, and the intricate relationships on RHORI.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Catching Up with Abbey Bonadies & Reality TV Binge Culture

[03:50–06:57]

• Abbey joins as Mary's last guest host before Courtney returns.
• Abbey is expecting a baby boy and discusses maternity leave challenges as a content creator.
  • "A lot of my life is being on top of news as it comes... but I obviously still want to make sure I give myself the proper time..." —Abby Bonadies [05:33]
• Plans to binge Mad Men during maternity ("never watched it, obsessed with Jon Hamm") and comfort rewatches like old Kardashians, Roni.

Recaps & Thoughts: Friends with Neighbors Finale

[07:51–09:23]

• Abbey thought it didn’t feel like a true finale, but sets up future plots.
• Mary and Abbey discuss James Marsden’s role and the addition of Joshua Jackson.
• Nostalgia for ‘90s/2000s stars, with Abbey calling this “recycle, reuse, energy for us millennials” [09:06].
• Brief red carpet chat: Joshua Jackson & Katie Holmes’ public appearance.

Love Island USA Check-in

[09:23–12:32]

• Abbey and Mary break down the first week (5 episodes in):
  • No breakout couples/stars yet; “give it a sec.”
  • Abbey likes Casey & Anya, finds Kenzie hilarious (“so many funny facial reactions... all over Threads” — Abbey [10:08])
  • New bombshells coming in will shake up dynamics.
  • Critique: feels cast is very young—calls for more mature contestants. “Corbin said he literally walked to the graduation stage three weeks ago...” [11:45]
  • Acknowledge influencer careers after Love Island.

Dancing with the Stars Casting Speculation

[12:32–15:30]

• Discussing possibilities for next DWTS season:
  • Abbey wishes for Michael Strahan, Carson Daly, Scott Disick (“would be funny and fun” [14:15]).
  • Mary jokes Disick would “exit early on his terms” like Lisa Vanderpump.
  • Tristan Thompson, Jordyn Woods (Kardashian-adjacent), and athlete connects are floated.

Calabasas Confidential & “Flowchart” Pop Culture Connections

[15:30–19:21]

• Abbey recaps Netflix’s Calabasas Confidential: full of “adjacency” celebrity kids, Laguna Beach vibes, “flowchart energy” [16:13].
• Mary calls Abbey the OG “whiteboard” flowchart explainer [17:04].
  • Most viral: Avril Lavigne, Tyga, Kardashians connections (over 40 million views).
  • Abbey now does celebrity connections and broader pop-culture explainers: “...it just kept flowing from there.” [18:25]
• She teases her Dancing With the Stars dating history explainer as a top hit.

Summer House: Reunions, Bromances, and Cast Shakeups

[25:58–34:29]

• Abbey with “boots on the ground” perspective from NYC.
• Wes & Amanda’s hookup: not shocked about friend group crossovers but more about the friendship betrayal.
  • “The actual hooking up within the friend group wasn’t as shocking to me.” —Abbey Bonadies [26:32]
• Reunion predictions: Focus on the emotional fallout for Jesse and the group, less so on granular timeline revelations.
• Will MIHA (Mia) phone in? Abbey doubts it, expects Kyle/Ciara to present her info.
• Wes's "mute" behavior at the reunion discussed—Abbey speculates Bravo isn't happy.
  • “You’re a journalist and reporter and you have a podcast. You know how to speak. Speak.” —Mary [31:20]
• Predictions & desires: Abbey wants a passing-the-baton arc, resetting cast focus on Carl, Kyle, Lindsay, and young faces.
• Sierra likely to get her “swan song” season, finishing on her terms.

In the City & Potential Traitors Casting

[34:50–43:28]

• Abbey loves seeing Lindsay with real friends like Yvonne.
• Danielle & Yvonne both pregnant—adds relatability.
• Old Danielle/Carl “H.J.” rumor (regarding sexual history) still haunts the group; calls for Carl to clear up on his new podcast.
• Speculating In the City finale: Will be anchored by Kyle and Wes’s 3-hour sit down. May tie up Amanda/West storyline, too.
• Abbey thinks Amanda and Wes might try to make the relationship “work out of spite,” considering Amanda’s aversion to re-entering NYC dating.
• Possible future for Wes on Traitors floated: Abbey says he’s too serious (unlike “funny” Sandoval).
• Dream Traitors casting: Joe Gorga, Lindsay Hubbard (as Faithful—everyone would think traitor!), Carl as classic “Faithfuls boy.”
• Briefly name-checks upcoming and recommended shows: Million Dollar Secret (Netflix), Calabasas Confidential, Perfect Match (with Vanderpump’s Ali Luber), Widow’s Bay.

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Main Event: Real Housewives of Rhode Island S1E11 Breakdown

Segment Start: [46:38]

The Liz & Joellen Blow-up Aftermath

• The fall-out from the failed Liz–Joellen sitdown:
  • Alicia and Joellen’s car call: “Liz is just mean. She’s fucking mean.” —Alicia [47:11]
• Abbey’s arc: loved Liz at first, but her attitude seems “mean girl” and “needs a reality check.”
  • “She seems as if she has known for a very long time... maybe she is just a bit of a mean girl that needs a little reality check.” —Abbey [47:57]
• Both hosts agree Liz’s closeness with Dolores (who feels inorganic to the cast) is suspicious.
• Mary: “Something is very suspicious about the boat” (implied secrets/drama not yet addressed).

Rula & Brian: Relationship Oddities

• Abbey and Mary dissect Rula and Brian’s office scene; more acting than authenticity.
• Their mutual defense pact seems intentional for TV/business, but “doesn’t feel honest”—maybe a calculated partnership.
• Brian called a “Dexter” type by Courtney in previous episodes; Mary says he “gives me the heebie jeebies.”

Husbands as True Supporting Cast

• Abbey likes that the husbands are integral to the women’s arcs (not just interfering).
• Rich & Billy’s attempts to mend fences between Rosie & Kelsey are appreciated: Mary/Abbey believe Kelsey and Rosie fight over “young spot” in the group but could thrive as a duo.
  • “They're fighting over the same spot. They can easily have their own spots and both thrive.” —Abbey [54:10]

Ashley & Jared: More Bachelor than Bravo?

• Both feel the pair are a bit “boring” unless producers dig deeper into their unique relationship history (from Bachelor).
• Ashley often acts as a narrator; season two might give them a stronger storyline, especially if their off-camera drama surfaces.

Reunion Predictions & Remaining Mysteries

• The reunion will likely expose timeline inconsistencies (Kelsey and mystery man), secrets about Liz, and possibly resolve (or escalate) Rula and Brian trust issues.
• Joellen accused by Rula of cheating, which Abbey dismisses as baseless deflection.
• Alicia’s integrity is lauded, with both hosts feeling she can “do no wrong.”

Relationship Resets & Moving Forward

• Alicia and Liz’s rapid reconciliation is seen as strategic and rooted in sisterly/family ties — possibly coached by Dolores.
  • “Dolores coached her... a good housewife is someone that forgives and can move forward and apologizes.” —Mary [63:16]
• Abbey wants to see a sisterly alliance return: Alicia, Liz, and Joellen as a family anchor.
• Kelsey and Rosie: post-fight, hopes for more banter/camaraderie.
• Rula: Abbey (and Mary) want more emotional openness or even revelations about what she’s hiding.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Abbey on Liz’s arc:
  “I started out being like, this girl is awesome...but as we progressed, it's made me a little weary of how she treats people.” [47:37]
• Mary on reality TV motives:
  "Why did these people come on reality TV? I'm very scared for Liz and...and Gary or Jerry." [49:52]
• Abbey on production manipulation:
  "It was so forced and cringe...that scene specifically was not helping our case." (on Rula & Brian planning a party) [50:40]
• Abbey on Love Island:
  "My current star that I can't stop laughing at is Kenzie — she is giving us so many funny facial reactions that obviously are all over threads, one of our favorite places to be, and I think we are in for a treat.” [10:08]
• Mary on the Summer House drama:
  "You’re a journalist and reporter and you have a podcast. You know how to speak. Speak." (to Wes) [31:17]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Timestamp | Segment / Topic | |------------|------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:50–06:57| Abbey’s intro, pregnancy, maternity TV plans | | 07:51–09:23| Friends with Neighbors finale discussion | | 09:23–12:32| Love Island USA breakdown | | 12:32–15:30| Dancing with the Stars casting chat | | 15:30–19:21| Calabasas Confidential; Abbey’s flowchart virality | | 25:58–34:29| Summer House reunion, cast shakeup hopes | | 34:50–43:28| In the City, Traitors, and other show recommendations | | 46:38–65:26| Main RHORI (Real Housewives of Rhode Island) S1E11 recap |

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Final Thoughts & Where to Find Abbey

Abbey can be found at @abbybonadies on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, and Threads.
She provides weekly “reality TV guides” and unique celebrity connectivity “flows.”

Mary wraps up:
"Abby, you’re simply the best. Congrats on that baby boy. And thank you so much for being here today. We will chat again soon." [65:44]
Abbey hints at a future Dancing with the Stars guest episode.

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Summary by Two Judgey Girls. Rich with inside jokes, sharp observations, and deep Bravo knowledge, this episode is a must-listen for anyone invested in the wild, interconnected worlds of modern reality TV.

Transcript

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[Abby Bonadies]

I'm so happy to be here. Save the best for last. No, just kidding. Exactly. Everyone in very good company with all these guests. So I'm pumped to be here.

[Mary]

It's been a fun road and I have to say congrats to you. You have a new baby boy on the way.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yes. I'm very excited.

[Mary]

It's very exciting. Boy moms, unite. Yes. I never thought I was going to be a boy mom and here I am and it's literally the best. And they say so many people kept on telling me, like, because I. I really, I really wanted a girl. I really wanted a girl. I'm one of three girls. I didn't know anything about boys and I can't imagine it any other way. It's. Boys are obsessed with their moms.

[Abby Bonadies]

They really so in for that. I'm ready for that very much. I will take it any day.

[Mary]

And I've been loving your bump fashion. You are so cute.

[Abby Bonadies]

Oh, thank you. It was really hard to hide it for a little while there, but now that it's out in the world and it's 90 degrees here in New York, I'm just. I'm going for it. Why not?

[Mary]

Totally. You've been looking adorable. How are you feeling?

[Abby Bonadies]

I'm feeling much better now. I'm 22 weeks, so now that I'm in the second trimester, halfway, more than halfway. I'm feeling in that Honeymoon phase that they tell you about during the first trimester, which is really horrible. And I'm not sugarcoating that.

[Mary]

No, it's not fun. It's not fun. Yeah. What would your, like, maternity leave be like?

[Abby Bonadies]

This is such a.

[Mary]

We have such different jobs, if you will.

[Abby Bonadies]

Totally. Yeah. I am currently in the process of figuring out what that might look like, because obviously, you know, I own my own business, I'm working for myself, and a lot of my life is being on top of news as it comes. But I obviously still want to make sure I give myself the proper time to have whatever maternity leave is. So maybe I'll take a page out of your book and get, like, some guests to make some content for me to go live on my page while I'm with baby boy in October.

[Mary]

That is a very clever idea, and Courtney and I are more than happy to help.

[Abby Bonadies]

So let us know. I would love that.

[Mary]

What will be your show that you want to watch? When he's here?

[Abby Bonadies]

When he's here. So my husband and I have talked about. This is crazy for me, but I've never watched Mad Men.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yes. And I'm obsessed with Jon Hamm, and I've been in advertising my whole life, and I live in New York City. Like, it's just so insane. We've never watched that. So that feels like a good, like, fall binge watch show. But when my husband's not involved, I feel like I'm just gonna wanna do, like, comfort. Like old Kardashians, old Roni. Just, like, things that I know what's happening, but I haven't, like, revisited it in a while. So it'll feel, you know, fresh again. Yes.

[Mary]

Like, nostalgia can laugh. Don't have to watch the entire episode. Like, it's okay if you go in and out of the room. Mad Men is a very good one because it's more of a character study. It's. It's more about each individual character. And, like, you can go an entire episode and not a lot happens plot wise. It's more about character development. So that would be a fantastic one. And who doesn't want to watch Jon Hammer?

[Abby Bonadies]

Right? I mean, he was even just saying in an interview because obviously he pops up a lot for us because he loves Bravo. He was saying in an interview that him and his wife are currently watching it for the first time. And he's like, you know, obviously I'm biased, but it's a really good show. And I'm like, I mean, I believe it. So I'm. It is.

[Mary]

And to see, like, especially because you live in New York.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yeah.

[Mary]

And that's also kind of a character in the show. I like that for you.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yeah, that'll be. That'll be a fun one.

[Mary]

Did you watch the finale of Friends with Neighbors over the weekend?

[Abby Bonadies]

I did. We watched it last night.

[Mary]

What were your thoughts?

[Abby Bonadies]

My thoughts? You watched, obviously.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Abby Bonadies]

My thoughts are that it didn't necessarily feel like a finale, but I thought that everything that went down set us up for another great story completely.

[Mary]

Because even like this second season, I was like, how are they gonna keep stealing from their neighbors? You know, how is he not gonna get caught? And bringing in Ash was amazing.

[Abby Bonadies]

Amazing. I love James Marsden. Him and John were together, were just like, on screen. Electricity. I loved it. I'm sad he's spoiler alert gone.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Abby Bonadies]

No, that.

[Mary]

He did such a great job. But we're gonna get Joshua Jackson so good.

[Abby Bonadies]

I love that they're, like, introducing new neighbors and that can help us form the story. I think that's going to be so fun.

[Mary]

Totally. And then this weekend, Joshua Jackson and Katie Holmes walk the red carpet. They are on a new project. I was like, this is crazy. These us millennials, we are living out our dreams right now.

[Abby Bonadies]

Truly. There is so much throwback, nostalgia, recycle, reuse, energy happening for us millennials right now. And it feels. It feels like good and safe and warm. And seeing them together was like, ah, yeah, that's good. I feel good about that.

[Mary]

It felt so good. You've been watching a ton of TV recently. So much. You're a Love island girly.

[Abby Bonadies]

I sure am.

[Mary]

Okay, so Courtney watches Love Island. I do not. Can you kind of fill me in up to speed to right now?

[Abby Bonadies]

A hundred percent. So we. I only do usa. I can't take on UK at this moment as well. There's too much going on.

[Mary]

Sure.

[Abby Bonadies]

But filling in on Love island usa, we are five episodes in. So basically that's a week of Love island, and then we have five more weeks to go. So we're one out of six done. And we had our first recoupling last night. So we officially have, like, either five or six. I have to think of them in my head. Solid couples. Now we are going into another new episode where there is going to be three bombshells introduced. Assuming that means that's going to be, like, kind of a big shakeup because that'll be the most people we've had in the villa so far. And there's, like, not any total, like, breakout stars or breakout couples just yet. My personal favorite couple right now, um, is kind of hard to say, I guess. Casey and Anya. She is so sweet with him and he's just like, so infatuated by her and they just have a great little rapport. But, like, my current star that I can't stop laughing at is Kenzie. She is giving us so many funny facial reactions that obviously are all over threads. One of our favorite places to be, and I think we are in for a treat. I think people need to remember that it usually is off to a slow start and you just have to, like, give it a sec. And we have to, like, get to know these people for a minute.

[Mary]

You have to, like, figure out who

[Abby Bonadies]

you love, who you love to hate.

[Mary]

The villain, the heroes. Yeah, it takes some time. Some warming up, period.

[Abby Bonadies]

I. Everyone's like, nothing's happening. Nothing's happening. I'm like, it's been five days. Like, give it a sec. It always starts like this.

[Mary]

Yeah, yeah, you got five more weeks, people don't worry.

[Abby Bonadies]

Exactly, exactly. My only note, I guess so far is that, like, everyone feels really young and it's just. I'm not sure if that should be the vibe moving forward. I'm thinking they need to be like, a little more mature, but I'm down to see where this goes. I mean, one of the bombshells that just came, Corbin said he literally walked to the graduation stage three weeks ago and is now on Love Island. And I'm like, you're so young.

[Mary]

I see, I see. No. So you may be like a 28 year old or like 26.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yes. Give us mid to late and we will maybe have a little more confidence in their search for love.

[Mary]

Sure. Maybe that they don't want to be Instagram influencers and they're actually looking for a relationship.

[Abby Bonadies]

Exactly. We'll take a mix of both. We obviously know at this point the. The career you get after Love island is very lucrative. But, like, you know, it's Love island, right?

[Mary]

A la Rob Rauch. Do you think Rob could be on Dancing with the Stars?

[Abby Bonadies]

I am so curious because I do feel like with Ciara and Mora already cast, I feel as if we are reaching the limit of reality star. And then when you add in Jackson from the Savannah Bananas, who's the only other person who's been announced for the cast, he's another, like, social media personality. I personally feel like they should mix in more of like, what Dancing with the Stars history is about, like former athletes, you know, stars and actresses and singers who are maybe a Little post peak in their career. I would love to see him. He would obviously be fantastic to like, come out to Britney Spears. I'm a slave for you with a snake. Like, the ideas are there.

[Mary]

You already have the vision. Who are some names that you definitely think could be a possibility for this upcoming season?

[Abby Bonadies]

Some names I think could be a possibility. Non reality star. I would love to see. I've been dying for Michael Strahan to do it. Um, he is on Good Morning America. It's ABC in the Family.

[Mary]

Right. That's. That's interesting. Do you think he's too big for it?

[Abby Bonadies]

I mean, I. Abc, Disney, Hulu, they keep it in the fam pretty deeply. So I feel as if maybe it could be some sort of contract situation. I see. But perhaps maybe he's too big for it schedule wise. I also think Carson Daly. Carson Daly would be great. Just can't do it.

[Mary]

Obviously he's on Today show, but great

[Abby Bonadies]

knowledge of music back from the TRL days. But I also have wanted Scott Disick on Dancing with the Stars for a while. I just think, like, it would be funny and fun.

[Mary]

The Lord. I can't imagine him taking it seriously, though. He'd be like a Lisa Vanderpump that exited early.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yes, exactly.

[Mary]

On their terms.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yeah, he's a good one. I also, I have lots of ideas cooking.

[Mary]

I wonder if, like, Tristan Thompson would do it. That I just thought Kardashians. It feels like he needs a kind of reputation.

[Abby Bonadies]

Exactly.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Abby Bonadies]

And I mean, if they're going for people that are, like, currently relevant and have ties to a lot of that, I think Jordyn Woods, Kylie Jenner's ex now friend again, she would be amazing in that same Kardashian universe, especially because she's engaged to Karl Anthony Town on the Knicks. Go Knicks. They're playing tonight. So I feel like they have, like, a lot of current good vibes that tie her into scandal. Kardashian athlete, all the great things.

[Mary]

Have you watched Calabasas Confidential?

[Abby Bonadies]

I have. I watched it in like two days.

[Mary]

Okay, give me that summary. Is that something I need to watch?

[Abby Bonadies]

It's only eight episodes and it is fairly quick.

[Mary]

45 minute episodes? Yeah, 40 to 50. Okay.

[Abby Bonadies]

And the beauty on Netflix is like, you can always put it in 1.25 or 1.5 speed if you're like, let's get the show on the road. Literally. Um, I thought it was super interesting to see the nepotism of it all. There are so many celebrity and famous people.

[Mary]

Adjacencies yeah, the Scottie Pippen's son.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yes, Scotty and Larsa's son. And he talks a lot about what it was like in high school when they were going through the divorce and Larsa was with a rapper who we obviously know is Future. Um, so I think, like, there's. There's a lot of, you know, interesting stuff there. Master P's son is on there, whose brother is Lil Romeo, and they, like, have a run in with Carmen Electra at a tattoo studio. Like, there's just a lot of. There's a lot of flowchart energy happening in the show. So I think that's why I enjoyed it. But it feels very like Laguna beach energy. Rich kids, beach town, high school thinking, like, you know, oh, my God, we were in such a serious relationship and they were like, 17.

[Mary]

I see. Okay, that sounds like something I could get into.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yeah, it was pretty good.

[Mary]

Your knowledge is so vast. I mean, the. The names, the connections. You guys have to go to Abby's page because her flows in connecting the dots are actually insane. She is the original whiteboard person, is the og. Let's give you credit where credit's due.

[Abby Bonadies]

I appreciate it.

[Mary]

What was your most popular flow ever? The most viral one?

[Abby Bonadies]

Yeah, my most viral one was definitely the first one, which was over two years ago. this point, it was about. Obviously, it's related to the Kardashian universe. Avril Lavigne and Tyga dating, to me. I originally saw that headline, made a video because I already talked about pop culture significantly on social. I made a video about how crazy that is is in how it made my Kardashian brain explode. Because, of course, Tyga used to date Kylie. And Tyga also has a child with Blac Chyna, who has a child with Rob Kardashian, Kylie's brother. Like, the list goes on. And Avril Lavigne used to date Brody Jenner and was at Kim Kardashian's wedding. Like, the vibes just went on and on and on in my head. And someone commented saying, can you make this into a flowchart? So I got out a lined piece of paper. I actually have my original one right in front of me.

[Mary]

Oh.

[Abby Bonadies]

See if I can get it off the wall. Yeah, Original flow right here. Wow. Yay. I obviously have it framed. Someone was like, can you make a flowchart? So I did. It blew up overnight. It has, like over 40 million views. And, yeah, it's crazy. It just kept flowing from there. So basically, what helped me continue growing, it was that there were so many people in the comments asking me questions about, like, who's Brody Jenner? Like, who else is Kris connected to? Avril Lavigne used to be engaged to who? So I just would continue making more and more of them. And then it turned into not only celebrity connections, but just generally like, pop culture explainers in general. And one of my more recent ones that did really well was explaining all the Dancing with the Stars lore and how all those pros have dated each other. So there's a lot of content there.

[Mary]

You're gonna have to come back on. Courtney and I, we dived into Dancing with the Stars again and we will do an individual episode only on Dancing with the Stars. And like, we have no dance background. We don't know what we're talking about, but we are obsessed with it and we like critique in the song choice and the costume. So we will definitely invite you back for Amazing.

[Abby Bonadies]

I will be ready season 35, I believe this fall. So I am locked in. Consider me rxvp.

[Courtney]

Yes.

[Mary]

Fantastic. Okay, let's take a quick break and I have to ask you about Summer House.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yes.

[Mary]

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[Mary]

Okay, so you live in New York. You've had boots on the ground. You actually seem to have known Kyle and Amanda over the years going to events. You're also like around the same age as them.

[Abby Bonadies]

What were your around the same age as Amanda?

[Courtney]

Exactly.

[Mary]

Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Excuse me. But yeah, I don't want to be like Andrea. Andrea's like Kyle's nine years older than me.

[Abby Bonadies]

Okay. No, literally, I'm Andrea getting Botox.

[Mary]

He's like by the way, when you first heard about west and Amanda hooking up, what did you think?

[Abby Bonadies]

My first genuine reaction was that I wasn't that surprised. I know that that Might be, like, jarring and shocking, but they're in the reality TV universe. I myself have been adjacent to or in New York City, friend groups that go out and hook up with one another often. And I, you know, now I'm happily married and as are my friends. But that doesn't mean that there wasn't, you know, crossover over the years here and there. Like, it didn't completely shock me that they would be looking within the friend group. I think the shocking part, of course, was the friendship betrayal. The actual hooking up within the friend group wasn't as shocking to me as the friendship.

[Mary]

I completely agree with that. What do you think is going to happen in this final third part of the reunion?

[Abby Bonadies]

I think that we basically have an understanding of whatever they're saying the timeline is. So we. I don't think we're gonna get to the bottom of that, I think. And what I hope we'll get to is a little bit more of what it meant to all of them as a friend group to experience this. Like, we haven't really gotten into that with how affected Jesse was by it and Mia and everyone else who kind of, like, really put all of their, you know, eggs in one basket in this friend group and their friendships and feel super betrayed by their lying. You know, like, sure, maybe they did have a drunk hookup, whatever it was. Yes and no things can be forgiven, but lying is really, really hard to get past. So I'm hoping we see a little bit more of that.

[Mary]

And I think that is why Jesse is so emotional. I think he's overtired because of the tour and he. That's weighing on him, but he is like, what is my friendship with Wes? Was that all lies? Is he just, like this womanizer that I can't trust? So that's why I feel like Jesse's the most affected in this situation within. Within the friend group of it, of course.

[Abby Bonadies]

And I think, too, the reason he's taking it so hard, obviously, he. Him and west are kind of trauma bonded by going into the show together. And, you know, he really confided in west about a lot of serious stuff in his life. And to feel like someone like that could just straight up lie to your face has to be so jarring. And he talked about how Amanda literally sat down with him and lied to his face over brunch. Like, that would mess me up. Being like, these people could literally look me in the eye and straight up lie.

[Mary]

No, it. It is scary. It really is scary. How do you think they are going to present the MIHA info, Do you think she will be on FaceTime on the couches? Are they just going to present the information? How do you think that's going to come about?

[Abby Bonadies]

I don't know if they'll actually FaceTime with her on the couch. I feel like if they knew they were gonna have her as part of the couch moment, they probably would have like zoomed her in or wheeled in a screen like they've done in years past.

[Mary]

Projector, when you were in seventh grade, they'd wheel in the tv, they'd wheel

[Abby Bonadies]

in the ex girlfriend. But I do think that they gave such, such a good amount of time to that FaceTime call because they're not gonna do it on the couch. So I think Ciara and Kyle will be the ones like relaying the information they directly received from her. Maybe some printed receipts or they'll have their phones to show like we actually were in conversation.

[Mary]

I think that is going to blow Wes out of the water that they have been in contact with her. I also am very curious because the entire reunion, he's just taking it. He acknowledges it, he says sorry and moves forward. So you're not really fighting with him at the reunion because you can't because he owns it. So it's this very strange position. And I wonder if Bravo, I feel like he is in bad standings with Bravo and I have to ask you, what are your predictions for summer house cast for this summer and for in the city? More focusing on Wes, Kyle, Amanda and Sierra. Where do you think they will go?

[Abby Bonadies]

Definitely. I. I also agree. I would have to assume Bravo is not thrilled that he is mute this entire time.

[Mary]

And, and we know he's not good at a reunion, but.

[Abby Bonadies]

Right, but like, I'm sorry, you're a journalist and reporter and you have a podcast. You know how to speak. Speak.

[Mary]

It's like has said 17 words and poor Amanda. I. I mean, she's just so out of it. It's just sad.

[Abby Bonadies]

She's totally disassociated. It's really sad and confusing and scary to see the lack of emotion from both of them. Whether it's anger, sadness, what? Just none. No emotion. I mean, I'm not sure what my prediction is, but I am sure what my desire is.

[Mary]

You can say, just say what you want.

[Abby Bonadies]

Like putting in the universe. I would. I don't think Amanda nor West will be asked back for this summer. I mean, it's already summer. It's still pretty dark. The vibes are not great. Maybe, maybe west will show up for one or two weekends as things develop. I would love for Carl and Kyle and Lindsay to be like, the leaders of the next generation where they come in and it's more of like a this is how we've done it. This is how you do summer house. We are passing the baton to you. Like, almost like, here's the younger group. You know, we have kj, we have Dara. We have maybe Ben and Sabrina Bell. I don't know.

[Mary]

I have to think about that.

[Abby Bonadies]

Sierra, Mia and maybe a few new, like, fresh faces. And it's almost like, not a challenge, but, like, they give them, like, throw us the ultimate theme party. Like, how late can you stay out? I feel like it would be kind of fun if they made it more like a teaching summer house where they're

[Mary]

passing it on and almost breaking the fourth wall. Maybe this is the first weekend of the summer. It's the fourth of July party. You guys have to. You guys are in charge of throwing this blowout party. You need to stay out as late as you can. Like, this is how we do it. Maybe a nostalgic watermelon breakdown in the hallway some things. And it's like we close the chapter and move into the new regime.

[Abby Bonadies]

Agreed. Yes. That is what I have in my mind, Abby.

[Mary]

I can definitely get behind this. It's the crazy part is, is the reason why they were crying in the finale is because it was the end of an era, but this gave them more time.

[Abby Bonadies]

And it's.

[Mary]

It's so, so wild. I mean, that Kyle Cook came out of this season unscathed. He is living. He is winning. He is making out with girls on the weekends. He's DJing all over the country. In New York. Yesterday, he's back together with Austin Craig. I mean, this was so strange. His worst season ever. It's ever. The guy with nine lives.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yeah, 900.

[Mary]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Abby Bonadies]

But I agree, it's. It's pretty amazing to see it.

[Mary]

So crazy. So you think Sierra will go back to the summer house?

[Abby Bonadies]

I do. I think that it will be her, like, swan song version of it where it's like, I know I'm going to have, like, a pretty big career after reality TV a la Paige, but, like, it feels unfinished and to finish it not on her terms, doesn't feel like her vibe.

[Mary]

It will be so interesting. I'm just, like, very excited to see where the cast will land. Let's talk a little bit about in the city. Who are your new favorites?

[Abby Bonadies]

New favorites. I love watching Lindsay with Yvonne. I feel like it's really fun to actually see someone we have known with someone they have known for so long. I think that's just like fresh and new in a way where it's not just like, you know, oh, these people are meeting on camera for the first time. Like, they have tons of history as friends. So that's been really enjoyable. To see her bringing on actual friends in her life, that's been fun.

[Mary]

I also, I. When I was pregnant, I loved seeing other pregnant women that were around the same timeline as me. So you have Danielle and Yvonne, which is so fun to watch. I have to ask you, I've asked every single person about this. Do you think Danielle gave Carl the hj?

[Abby Bonadies]

Like, I. Yes. Short answer, yes. Like, in what world are we making that up? Like, that's not like cool or funny or awesome for anyone involved. Like, there is no way. I know it technically, I believe in the flashback reminded us that it came from Kyle. But like, in what world is Kyle making that up? I.

[Mary]

Okay. Carl and Lindsay have that podcast coming out. Carl needs to settle the score on that. He. Lindsay, has to ask him what happened in that cat. We need to know because at this point, you know, Lindsay's saying one thing, Danielle's saying another thing. Denied it on Watch what happens live. There's something about her being pregnant, having to talk about this from eight years ago that is actually in insane.

[Abby Bonadies]

Insane, Lindsay.

[Mary]

It's haunting.

[Abby Bonadies]

And Danielle is having one. And here we are.

[Mary]

They are so, so good. I am really enjoying in the City. Do you think that the Kyle and Wes three hour sit down will be the finale of in the City?

[Abby Bonadies]

I think it will. I don't know if it will be the finale, but it's gotta be near the end so it can be, you know, maybe similar to how they started it, where they started at the current and flashed it back. Maybe there's something like that where it's like, this is the conversation we had most recently and like, this is where we were when we wrapped. I don't know. It'll be interesting. I don't think they would save that for Summer House. So I do think it will be part of in the City.

[Mary]

I know. I'm really curious how they are going to put that in. Yeah.

[Abby Bonadies]

Even gonna get a scene of west and Amanda as well because that would be how to tie it in. Like to see how they are developing in a relationship. That, to me is the only reason it would make sense to bring a Kyle and west story in.

[Mary]

Yes, that's a very good point. What do you think is going to happen with Amanda and West

[Abby Bonadies]

really do go back and forth every day. But when Sierra at the end of the reunion part one said, you know what, maybe they will work out because Amanda is perfect for west, it got me thinking, like, they actually may ride this out together because, like, based on their current personalities, it seems like it could work. Which is crazy. But, like, at this point, it better.

[Mary]

When this first happened, I said immediately they have to get married. Like, they have screwed everything up. And then I think about west being a college athlete, he is a competitor and him wanting to, like, prove people wrong and going the distance just to spite people almost. And I mean, I hope that if they did all of this, they truly like each other.

[Abby Bonadies]

But.

[Mary]

Yeah, but I do think he has this competitive perhaps.

[Abby Bonadies]

So as someone like, we've understood Amanda to be a little bit on the lazier side, to not have to go back into the scary New York City dating pool after being with Kyle for 10 years, I'm sure she's like, great. That worked out for me.

[Mary]

She's like, let's go to Jersey. That's all I wanted.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yes, exactly. So wild.

[Mary]

Because I just don't know what their jobs are going to be because I think they're going to have to take a pause from reality TV for some time. Maybe a house of villains. We saw Tom Sandoval on the Traitors. I think west would make a good trader. I'll be very curious.

[Abby Bonadies]

See the thing with the west on the traitors versus Sandoval and the traitors, which I was thinking about when that Deuxmoi post went viral. Sanoval is funny. West is not very funny, at least that we know of. He would be like too serious and it'd be like, okay, they casted Tom

[Mary]

to make fun of him and they knew he would be over the top. The trumpets.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yes.

[Mary]

Literally singing his own. Like he.

[Abby Bonadies]

Tom thinks we're laughing with him, but we're laughing at him. And that's the beauty of Tom Sanimal. In those scenarios, west would not give us that same satisfaction.

[Mary]

I don't think you're so right. And Traders is gonna be filming in the next month. I think soon. Who do you think from Bravo will go to the castle?

[Abby Bonadies]

I would like to see some house husbands. I do think Joe Gorga. Well, so he is going to be on Hulu's like, version of the truth.

[Mary]

That's right. That's right.

[Abby Bonadies]

Like mob something. Which after the Hulu get real thing, they haven't said much about that. Show and there was actually a good cast on there. But yes, he would be great on the Traitors. That's a great question.

[Mary]

They're gonna do Summer House people.

[Abby Bonadies]

So, I mean, Lindsay was supposed to do it and couldn't because she was pregnant. I would love to see her on there. She would eat them alive. I think it'd be great.

[Mary]

Would you like to see her as a faithful or a traitor?

[Abby Bonadies]

Faithful, because I think everyone would think she's a traitor.

[Mary]

She will be on. And wouldn't it be crazy if her and Carl had to do it together? That would have fun elements.

[Abby Bonadies]

Love it. Love it. That would be really fun. I like that idea. Because then they'll have to prove to people that they're friends again. But maybe she would play into the fact that she doesn't trust him. Oh, and he would be like, I've seen a lot of people say this, but like, he would be such like a leader of the faithful's boy energy.

[Mary]

Pilot Pete, if you will.

[Abby Bonadies]

A pilot Pete. And attempted Dylan. I mean, Dylan Efron did do it. He won. But that kind of vibe would be amazing. It would actually be hilarious to make Lindsay a Faithful and Carl a traitor.

[Mary]

But. But it's like Sierra and Kyle have already done it.

[Abby Bonadies]

Correct.

[Mary]

They're definitely gonna grab a Summer House person. That is for sure. They have to. I would definitely. I would bet a lot of money it's going to be Lindsay, but I would love to see that Carl added in. Yeah, that's a great call. Before we get into Rory, anything else that we have to be watching right now because you. You watch it all.

[Abby Bonadies]

I do. I do. Honestly, right now. My suggestion to people who haven't watched it yet will always be Rory. Because, like, I am so excited to talk about it. I think it's fantastic. Um, Love Island. It's not too late to jump in, but I will say there are just a few Netflix shows that are like super easy watches that I enjoy doing over these kind of summer weeks and weekends because they're easy. I'm obsessed with the game show on Netflix called Million Dollar Secret. It is very Traders esque. It's a really fun easy watch. Great season. Calabasas Confidential is also on Netflix and there was just recently a really good season of Perfect Match that had Ali Luber from Vanderpump Rules on it. And she. It was a. It was really interesting if you are a Vanderpump Rules watcher, to see her in such a different light than when she was James Kennedy's girlfriend. Girlfriend.

[Mary]

Girlfriend. Are you watching Widow's Bay?

[Abby Bonadies]

No, my Apple TV shows are logged back at the moment because I was like all in on your friends and neighbors so that is in my list.

[Mary]

It's really, really good that.

[Abby Bonadies]

Okay, that is what I've been watching. I'm.

[Mary]

I'm all up to date but highly recommend that. So love it. Give it a shot. Okay, let's take a break and we'll talk. Rory

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Okay, we are coming off that cinematic episode, the Fools Rush in. This episode is called Stay Calm and Carry on. And Liz and Joellen have just had that sit down. It didn't go well. Joellen calls Alicia in the car and she's like, she told me I'm trying to ruin people. She sounded so psycho. She's telling everyone I'm awful and disingenuous. And Alicia's like, well, you know, I used to think Liz was my family, but she should have never questioned me or attacked me, all these things. And Alicia says in the confessional, she's like, liz is just mean. She's fucking mean. Alicia says that there's this huge weight lifted off her. She's so happy to finally say, Liz is just mean. What are your overall thoughts on Liz?

[Abby Bonadies]

My thoughts on Liz, I think, are the ones that have changed the most throughout the season. I started out being like, this girl is awesome. Being like, she is built for this. I'm pumped. The scene of her in the boat going to lunch, like, I was like, yes, Liz is everything. I love her.

[Mary]

And the cat walking, the cat on the dock.

[Abby Bonadies]

All of it. All of it. I was like, yes, we needed her energy. And I do still think we do. But as we progressed, it's made me, like, a little weary of how she treats people. She seems as if she has known for a very long time. And I think that's the part that's made me like, maybe she is just a bit of a mean girl that needs a little reality check.

[Mary]

No. When they did the flashbacks between her and Kelsey at the Studio 54 party, then they do the flashbacks to Alicia and Liz in the car together in the Suburban on the way to Rich's show, Then the Jo Ellen of it all. And then I was like, yeah, there is a lot of evidence against Liz.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yeah.

[Mary]

And I think it's really interesting how she has this deep connection with Dolores. And to me, Dolores has not fit in at all this season. I don't think. I think she should have been completely edited out. I don't think we needed an introduction from Dolo. It just feels not organic. And these women have such ties and connections and it seems like a very small town and they all know each other. It feels like she's been trained by Dolores or something and kind of also falls back on Dolores. I don't know. And then there's just something very suspicious about the boat. I don't know what's there. Yeah. I just feel like definitely.

[Abby Bonadies]

There's definitely some shady stuff going on. Yes. But, like, that's the stuff we love to see, so.

[Mary]

But that's the thing. I'm like, why did these people come on reality tv? I'm very scared for Liz and. And. And Gary or Jerry.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yeah.

[Mary]

I'm very scared. I know. Yes, exactly. Like, it's crazy.

[Abby Bonadies]

It's crazy.

[Mary]

And then we come to Rula and Brian. The same thing. This. This moment in the office. There was something so crazy that out. Out of any time in her life that she's having a real problem with her toe. I actually think this was something truthful.

[Abby Bonadies]

She said, me too. One.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Exactly. Exactly. But the acting here was so insane. Why don't we throw a party? Let's have an end of the summer party. I'm like, production.

[Abby Bonadies]

I met that belly dancer. I was like. Like, it was so forced and cringe. I was just like, I know a lot of people think a lot of this stuff is scripted. We have our own beliefs. But that scene specifically was not helping our case.

[Mary]

No.

I mean, he clearly has just dyed his hair. Even then kissing when she got to the office. Hey, B. I brought you some goodies. Everything about it, I was like, I was getting the heebie jeebies.

[Abby Bonadies]

A couple weeks. Cringed out.

[Mary]

Yes. A couple weeks ago, Courtney called Brian Dexter. And I can't get that out of my brain. Brian is fascinating, but I'm like, why did they go on this show? What do you think they're hiding? Are they in on something together? What are your thoughts?

[Abby Bonadies]

Yeah. Like it. That's such a good question. Because it does feel to me like Rula is intelligent. She feels like she is trying to

[Mary]

play dumb and has money on her own. It feels like.

[Abby Bonadies]

Exactly.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Abby Bonadies]

So, like, I don't know if they did some sort of business deal where it's like, sure, let's give this a shot and give, like, a little bit of, you know, oomph to both of our businesses and social networks, but it doesn't feel honest from either of them. So something is definitely weird.

[Mary]

No, it's like they had a plan because they're thick as thieves together. She's willing to protect him. I mean, we know he gets arrested in October, and we're going to see that. You know, the finale is coming. The finale is coming up next week.

[Abby Bonadies]

Sad.

[Mary]

I know. It's.

[Abby Bonadies]

This was so, so good. It is.

[Mary]

It is suburban. It is nostalgic. These people. I mean, we've had 20 years of Housewives and they perfectly casted it. I think these people are being them. Genuine. Their genuine selves. I don't think Alicia knows what a star she is. I hope it doesn't go to her head. It can't. It can't.

[Abby Bonadies]

We need her.

[Mary]

I know. And then we have a lot of interaction with the house husbands. Are you enjoying seeing the husbands? A part of it.

[Abby Bonadies]

The only reason I'm gonna say yes is because they are involved in a lot of the storylines. When I don't like to see the husbands is when they're getting involved in, like, the girls fighting with one another. And it's like, okay, this is like, whatever Nini says. And she's like, stay out of women's business. Like, this is their business as well. So I'm kind of cool with seeing them more often also, because it helps us get to know these girls too, and how they are in their relationships. We didn't know them before, so, you know, it's good to know how they are with their husbands.

[Mary]

Did you like that Rich and Billy were trying to help Rosie and Kelsey come together?

[Abby Bonadies]

This episode actually didn't mind it. Like, I think they're like. They're boys. They're like. Like, can we just not? And I. I think that, like, I think Kelsey and Rosie just have, like, a little bit of, like, I'm the young one in the group. No, I'm the young one in the group.

[Mary]

We've said the exact same thing.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yeah.

[Mary]

How they could be a dynamic duo together, but they're fighting over the same spot.

[Abby Bonadies]

They're fighting over the same spot. And they can easily have their own spots and both thrive. They don't have to be best friends, but not at all. They are. I think I like them both for different reasons. What about Ashley?

[Mary]

I and Jared Are You. Are you interested in them? You know, the big point this episode is like, will Audrey's be closing? Spoiler alert, guys. It's still open and it's doing well. Because of the show.

[Abby Bonadies]

Because of the show.

[Mary]

Yeah. Do you see a season two for them? They've been rather boring, I would say. I can't imagine them also, like, exposing cracks in their marriage, perhaps. I don't know how much. They are very bachelor, and I feel like Bachelor Nation, you kind of need to conform to key like a Keeping up with the Joneses or a Trad Wife. Do you think they'll stay on Bravo?

[Abby Bonadies]

Do think they will stay on for, like, at least one more season? I gave up on Bachelor a long time ago, but I was very involved when Ashley and Jared were at the peak of all of it.

[Mary]

That was probably one of my last seasons.

[Abby Bonadies]

And, yeah, I maybe lasted a few others.

[Mary]

It was genuinely psychotic. They ended up together, you guys.

[Abby Bonadies]

That's why I'm like, those of us who know, it's like, we were so intrigued by their relationship, but I could see if you know nothing about that being like, these two are so boring. I could see people being like, what are they doing here? But for those of us who know that she used to ball her eyes out and he wanted nothing to do with her, and now they're, like, fighting over owning a coffee shop. It's fascinating. So if they could get into a little bit more of that history and, like, how that affected them as a couple, I think they could become more interesting.

[Mary]

That would be interesting. They use a lot of Ashley eyes confessionals almost as a narrator.

[Abby Bonadies]

So I. I think the.

[Mary]

The cast probably will stay as is, and I think it should.

[Abby Bonadies]

I also think she provides that outside perspective of someone who hasn't been intertwined with this group off camera for 20 years.

[Mary]

Yes, I completely agree with that.

[Abby Bonadies]

We maybe need one more of those.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Abby Bonadies]

Not just Ashley, but we'll see. Yeah.

[Mary]

I think their reunion's gonna be explosive because at the reunion, it's gonna be exposed that Kelsey's timeline with her mystery man isn't lined up.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yes.

[Mary]

I think things are gonna come out about Liz. Do you think, you know, Rulon made this big claim that Joellen cheats on her husband. Do you think that's true?

[Abby Bonadies]

No, I think she's just making stuff up because she's like, what do I do here? I look stupid. I think that Jo Ellen and Gary have, like, their own kind of vibe going on. I don't know what it is, but they see I Don't. I don't think so.

[Mary]

Do you think this was supposed to be the finale party? And then they decided, because Jo Ellen wasn't invited, we have to do one last thing.

[Abby Bonadies]

Perhaps that and the combination of their block island will be a couple's trip, right?

[Mary]

Yes.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yeah. The combination of it being, like, oh, for one of the first times in a while, every single person actually has a partner on Housewives. Like, let's. Let's lean into that and take a couple trips, because we only get that on, like, Married to Medicine.

[Mary]

That's a very valid point. I also feel like the women. There's so many different fights that they kind of need someone to back them up. And I'm sure Rula wasn't gonna do this alone without Brian, because he is gonna have to keep answering. Okay. Rosie, Rula, and Alicia. Rosie's like, so I kind of need to tell you about the mansion, because Jo Ellen showed us all this video. It's dated the day before Polo, and he's definitely kissing a blonde. They're hugging, and I just feel really uncomfortable not telling you. In the deflection with Rula, she immediately looks to Alicia and is like, why are you not telling me this? Like, deflecting, placing blame, making it more about Alicia. Alicia's like, I. I don't want to know that.

[Abby Bonadies]

She was like, I didn't want it.

[Mary]

I'm upset. I found out about this. This is so uncomfortable for me. I'm in your home with your husband who's dancing with a belly dancer. Like, I don't want to be a part of this. Yeah. And then Brian comes over. Do you know about this video? And he's. Oh, she changed the timestamp. Just immediately knows when to stay. It was crazy. It was crazy.

[Abby Bonadies]

Just, like, how. It was very familiar to how they said earlier that certain texts were done by, like, a bot or, like, AI or something. It's like, no, it's real. Like, come on.

[Mary]

It was so. And then he's calling her ho. Ellen.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yeah. The only funny thing he did say, and I will give it to him for this. He's like, I trust her as much as I trust gas station sushi. And I was like, okay. I giggled. I laughed. Fine.

[Mary]

Brian makes me laugh when he's drinking. I mean, that dinner in their dining room, I loved. I loved every single. I love Brian after two tequila shots. It's my favorite version of him.

[Abby Bonadies]

Very funny. But I think that's. It will be really interesting to see how that plays out at the reunion, because, yes, she immediately launches into the blame of Alicia. But thinking about housewives history and other housewives, how they would handle this situation, I agree that people would be pissed that Alicia held the information for so long.

[Mary]

That is true. That is true. I just. Alicia can do no wrong in my eyes. No, me too.

[Abby Bonadies]

Duh. And you would think that, like, her first question would be like, well, let me see it. What video?

[Mary]

Never mind. Like, push it away.

[Abby Bonadies]

And then we see in the preview, Jo Ellen and Rula talking in Block island and Joellen saying, like, you told me, if there's proof, get me proof. So I did. And it's like, that's fair. So I'm excited to see how Rula handles that conversation.

[Mary]

That will be interesting too, if they even show us Rula watching the video, because she didn't take. She didn't take the bait. That's obviously what they wanted to happen. And she's thought about this so much, she probably knew about this video or has already seen it. Yeah.

[Abby Bonadies]

Or already knows that they're not together and they're pretending anyway.

[Mary]

Something.

[Abby Bonadies]

Something's weird and off that she wasn't immediately, like, what? Like, show me the video. Like, what? What is it?

[Mary]

What is it can just go on with her party.

[Abby Bonadies]

Let's take shots.

[Mary]

Everyone shot.

[Abby Bonadies]

Bitches love a summer. It's like, that is the new line we will use all summer.

[Mary]

You're so right. Okay, I want to talk a little bit about Alicia and Liz.

[Abby Bonadies]

Mm.

[Mary]

They have this moment, and I was truly shocked. They made up very quickly. What do you think? I feel like there's strategy here. What do you. What do you think?

[Abby Bonadies]

Feel like it's part strategy and part the deep rooted family sisterly ties. Like, yeah, they're. They obviously have a massive history that they can't just, like, erase because they're on camera. And I think that they are probably part of these. I don't know. I don't know if they're Italian. I'm an Italian family, and I like, you know, there's a lot that doesn't get said very, like, early Jersey that you kind of push down and it blows up at one point. And I think that they've probably had a little bit of a tumultuous relationship for decades, and the cameras actually forced them to talk about it, and that's why it got a little out of hand. So that's why they probably looked at each other in that moment or before they got to this party or whatever, and they were like, okay, like, hold on. We have a lot of history. Like, let's not get crazy here.

[Mary]

And Alicia's a non confrontational person. She's someone that would say sorry first just to get it over with even if she wasn't sorry because she's like, I, I have anxiety. This is. I don't want anyone to be mad at me. I was shocked that Liz came around and she said, I don't want to fight with you. And she, she gave it up. And I feel like coming back to

[Abby Bonadies]

Dolores, I was just gonna say that

[Mary]

I feel like Dolores coached her in this situation and she's like a good housewife is someone that forgives and can

[Abby Bonadies]

move forward and apologizes.

[Mary]

Exactly. And so you need to show the audience you want to be friends with Alicia again and that you're going to let this go.

[Abby Bonadies]

Then props to Dolores because we needed that.

[Mary]

Exactly. We have to move the story forward.

[Abby Bonadies]

Exactly. And we need them as like this OG Rhode island tag team hilarious combo

[Mary]

that they are completely. How do you think this season will end? Like, is there anything you want to see more of?

[Abby Bonadies]

I actually do think I would like to see Alicia, Liz and Jo Ellen come together and have some sort of like, we are family moment. Like, we are gonna go through shit, but like, we have been through it and, you know, let's remind each other that we are basically sisters at this point. So I definitely want to see that. I would love to see like a little bit of joking, relationship, friendship with Kelsey and Rosie. Just like, give it up. Like, you had your big fight. We got Slam pig. We got the iconic moment. Now let's see if they could team up and maybe see how things can go. I want to see like some sort of something happen with Rula. Like, hello, do you care? Like, is there a problem? Like, why? Like, we need like a little emotion or something. It's very west and Amanda at the reunion.

[Mary]

It's just like Monica, something is going to come out about. It has to. Like, they're hiding something. It's very mysterious. I hope the reunion will solve a lot of questions for us. One last highlight. I have to say the Gary Tabiri Mortgage Lending team T shirt made me cackle. The whole ducking thing, even like Rosina, Rosie and Alicia, like, talking in front of Selena gives me joy. This was so much fun. I love Rory. Thank you so much for coming on and chatting. I know our time is coming to a close. Tell everyone where they can find you.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yes, you can find me at Abby bonides on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube and threads. Every week I post reality TV, actually, generally TV guides every Sunday. And I'm always here flowing through different celebrity connections and recaps and always down to chat.

[Mary]

Bravo, Abby. You're simply the best. Congrats on that baby boy. And thank you so much for being here today. We will chat again soon.

[Abby Bonadies]

Yes. Dancing with the Stars.

[Mary]

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