TJG: RHORI S1 E6!

Summary

Two Judgey Girls: RHORI S1 E6!

Podcast Date: May 4, 2026
Hosts: Courtney (LA), Mary (Bay Area)

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Overview

This episode dives into episode six of "The Real Housewives of Rhode Island" (RHORI). Courtney and Mary, separated by hundreds of miles but united by their love of all things Bravo, debate doppelgänger accusations, midseason drama, girl’s trip chaos, and the emotional undercurrents among the cast. The tone is playful, analytical, and full of their signature pop culture references and candid judgments.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Jo Ellen Lookalike Claims & Listener Feedback

Timestamp: 03:39 – 05:40

• Recurring Conversation: Courtney shares that people keep comparing her to Jo Ellen from RHORI—so much so Tamra Judge even commented on it.
  • Courtney jokes, “Don’t blow my cover because it’s like, maybe that’s my alter ego. Maybe I spent last summer on the east coast and I’m gonna reveal it later.” (05:23)
• The hosts debate the resemblance (“It’s the lips, it’s the hair, even the nose.” – Mary, 05:55), both flattered and incredulous.
• They fantasize about organizing a joint interview and playfully planning their “mind meld” (05:15–06:09).

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2. Mid-Season Trailer & Cast Dynamics

Timestamp: 06:20 – 09:51

• Trailer Hype: The midseason trailer hints at “more insane” drama, including arrests and claims of receipts (“proof via video that Rula does not know about” – Mary, 06:57).
• Debate over Bravo’s reunion strategy and social media spoilers.
• Liz’s mental state and business (Audrey’s) discussed—still open, despite storylines suggesting otherwise.

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3. Outsiders and Production Plants

Timestamp: 07:52 – 08:57

• The hosts discuss Ashley’s transition from other reality shows and the dynamic newcomers bring. Ashley feels like “a Peacekeeper” but also “an outsider.” (Mary, 07:52)
• Questioning Bravo’s casting motives: Did they bring in Dolores/Ashley to expand the audience or counterbalance the local old friendships?

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4. Queen Bee Liz, Authenticity, and Body Language

Timestamp: 09:12 – 11:11

• Courtney’s Unpopular Opinion: She senses Liz is hiding something and feels “inauthentic,” but can’t put a finger on it.
• Both hosts analyze Liz’s confessional behavior: “She looks up so much, which is a sign of lying to me.” (Courtney, 10:18)
• Mary points out Liz’s “movement in the confessionals… she doesn’t look directly into the camera” (10:46), sparking a breakdown of body language as a housewives trope.

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5. Cece, The Crackers, and The Breakup

Timestamp: 11:52 – 16:43

• The hosts are obsessed with Cece, her snack-related humor, and her daughter’s sunny attitude (“It’s such a beautiful day”—Courtney’s favorite silly moment, 12:20).
• Breakup Theories: Speculate that Kelsey and her ex broke up pre-show. Praised Kelsey for leaving a decade-long relationship and finessing “rent for a little bit.” (Mary, 13:02)
• Realities of cosmetology school’s labor are discussed (Courtney: “You’re on your feet the whole time, actually crouched over sometimes,” 13:49).

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6. Rosie’s Vulnerability and Group Placement

Timestamp: 15:16 – 18:46

• New Empathy for Rosie: Mary and Courtney empathize with Rosie’s anxiety, self-doubt, and her feeling “like a real self-conscious person.” (Mary, 15:47)
• Struggles of being on a new Bravo franchise and fitting into existing friend groups. Rosie and Ashley are “on an island by themselves… of Rhode… Like Rhode Island.” (Mary, 17:20 – running joke).
• Discussion of pressure, fitting in, and Bravo’s group dynamics.

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7. Jo Ellen & Jen: Family Trauma and Dynamics

Timestamp: 26:18 – 28:41

• Breakdown of Jo Ellen and her sister Jen: stark personality and appearance differences.
• Jo Ellen’s issues with her mother, being “sent away” as a teen, and the emotional fallout of feeling unloved.
• Courtney speculates that Jo Ellen now overcompensates, always needing to be right for validation.

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8. Kelsey’s Breakup & New Beginnings

Timestamp: 28:55 – 31:48

• Liz’s enigmatic parting gift to Kelsey: “a compass” meant to symbolize guidance (29:03).
• Speculation that Kelsey was already moved out, and that her narrative—claiming agency—may be more complex (“He told me he thinks I’m making the right decision. He was like, you can go. Bye.” – Courtney, 30:55).
• Billy’s possible role in Kelsey’s transition and status as current boyfriend.

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9. Girl’s Trip to Seaview Terrace: Surreal Doll Lunch & Masked Dinner

Timestamp: 31:50 – 38:39

• The girls travel in Rolls Royces to a 43,000 sq ft castle—Seaview Terrace:
  • Doll-themed lunch led by Cece—unclear if dolls were decor or brought from home. (“So creepy. So creepy.” – Mary, 36:02)
  • Courtney and Mary puzzle over the event's logic and missed opportunities for fun (“There was no, like, activity or thing to do. They’re kind of just stuck at this castle.” – Courtney, 36:41).
• Masked dinner: Liz delivers personalized masks with psychological symbolism, further cementing her status as Queen Bee.
  • Example: Rosie gets a “larger than life” mask representing her public persona as a “facade,” Ashley gets a gold, closed-mouth mask for being “subdued.” (Mary, 37:41–37:55)

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10. Emotional Dinner: Trauma Olympics?

Timestamp: 42:07 – 46:17

• Confessions & Backstories:
  • Jo Ellen: Elaborates on her childhood trauma and compulsive need to defend herself.
  • Liz: Shares about losing her mom at 15 and resulting abandonment issues (Mary notes this supports her “hard to get to know” vibe).
  • Ashley: Breaks down, lamenting she has “nothing to cry about” (“I have nothing to cry about. And one day, someone I know will die.” – Ashley, 44:36. Both laugh at the performative aspect.)
  • Rosie: Admits her true self is “quiet,” shy, and anxious—winning Mary over entirely.
  • Kelsey: Describes dependence on ex (“She has been a kept woman, taken care of her entire life.” – Courtney, 45:46), while also acting as if she now needs to figure life out solo.

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11. Rosie vs. Kelsey: Jealousy and Pettiness

Timestamp: 48:11 – 52:55

• The hosts sense increasing tension between Rosie and Kelsey, possibly stemming from age, status, and personality conflicts.
• “Kelsey is actually jealous of Rosie… Rosie is married, has that vibe… Kelsey’s not gonna take the joke for Rosie.” (Courtney, 46:47)
• The cast quarrels about authenticity: Kelsey accuses Rosie of lying, Rosie counters about jealousy and real accomplishments, especially in their work and relationships.
• The group dynamic becomes fraught: Rosie feels unable to defend herself without backlash—highlighting Bravo group politics.

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12. Miscellaneous Fun Moments & Age Guessing

Timestamp: 46:51 – 48:10

• The hosts quiz each other on the cast’s ages, surprised by how young the RHORI cast skews and delighted by Cece’s “homeless” backstory (Mary: “Bethany, Liz, you are not.”, 49:38).
• Running jokes about makeup skills, winged eyeliner, and “Big Papa” references in Bravo news (30:15).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Maybe that’s my alter ego. Maybe I spent last summer on the east coast and I’m gonna reveal it later.” – Courtney (05:23)
• “She looks up so much, which is a sign of lying to me.” – Courtney on Liz (10:18)
• “I’m a nosy Rosie. I want the goss. And I don’t want to write it out. I want to talk about it on the phone.” – Mary (45:30)
• “I have nothing to cry about. And one day, someone I know will die.” – Ashley (44:36)
• “Liz is the queen bee and she was deciding who is going to get each mask and why. And Rosie, she gets this big one because she’s larger than life, but it’s really a facade and we have to go deeper.” – Mary (37:41)
• “The girls are on an island by themselves. Like Rhode Island. So lame.” – Mary (17:20, an ongoing pun)
• “Cece obsessed with Cece and the Crackers…her daughter’s like, la, la, la. It’s such a beautiful day. And her mom’s like, I’m dead. I got the goss.” – Mary (12:20)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Jo Ellen doppelgänger and Tamra Judge mention: 03:39 – 05:40
• Mid-season trailer and drama predictions: 06:20 – 09:51
• Discussion about Liz’s authenticity & body language: 09:12 – 11:11
• Cece’s cracker scene and Kelsey’s breakup: 11:52 – 13:49
• Rosie’s vulnerability and group isolation: 15:16 – 17:20
• Jo Ellen & Jen’s childhood trauma: 26:18 – 28:41
• Kelsey’s breakup, Liz’s gift, and Billy’s role: 28:55 – 31:48
• Girl’s trip (doll scene & masked dinner): 31:50 – 38:39
• Emotional dinner and confessions: 42:07 – 46:17
• Rosie vs. Kelsey confrontation: 48:11 – 52:55

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Takeaways for New Listeners

• The “Two Judgey Girls” bring humor, Bravo expertise, and sharp observation—making sense of the drama, dissecting the subtext, and riffing on everything from confessional body language to casting strategies.
• This episode is particularly rich in social dynamics, gentle roasting, and layered analysis of both show content and reality TV production.
• Even without watching RHORI, their analysis gives a vivid sense of each cast member and the season’s evolving storylines. Their banter makes you both laugh and think—about reality TV, friendship, and why Bravo’s universe is so endlessly watchable.

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Transcript

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[Courtney]

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[Mary Mahoney]

Girls, this is Mary from the bay

[Courtney]

and it's Jo Ellen from la and we're here to talk Rory.

[Mary Mahoney]

I will say when people first started saying I was like I don't see it. And then each week I see it more and more and more. The amount of comments we've gotten about this is truly wild. Who did we recently heard about this?

[Courtney]

Courtney, My best friend, Tamara Judge.

[Mary Mahoney]

What did she say? What did she say?

[Courtney]

We had posted our Valley reel about. Yeah, you want to do one? You want to do one?

[Mary Mahoney]

Everything is all right, you guys. I, I also started singing that to Charlie and he, he thinks it's so funny when I do it then, huh? And he starts giggling hysterically.

[Courtney]

She sent me the video. It is so freaking cute. He's wearing a chunky sweater like Jax Taylor. What's like one of the best sounds in the world? I would say a baby laughing.

[Mary Mahoney]

Totally. Like the really, really giggly, like true laughter. Pure joy. Yes.

[Courtney]

Yeah, just like that. Whether you have kids or not, there's something about that infectious giggle when you know that they think you are the funniest person they have ever met in their lives. All nine months of it.

[Mary Mahoney]

I'M I'm his number one girl. But yeah, getting back to Tamra, sorry.

[Courtney]

But Tamara commented just like, side note, you look like Jo Ellen from Real Houses of Rhode Island.

[Mary Mahoney]

I'm dying to get Joe Ellen on here. I mean, would I have to, like, maybe not be in the interview so you guys have to leave.

[Courtney]

Mind meld. We would just. And I just said to Tamara, I said, don't blow my cover because it's like, maybe that's my alter ego. Maybe I spent last summer on the east coast and I'm gonna reveal it later.

[Mary Mahoney]

Oh, my God, it's so good. But yeah, each week I see it more and more. It's.

[Courtney]

It's wild. I said to you after the first episode, I was like, people are gonna start saying I look like Joellen. Like I said it. I, I knew it was coming. I think she's absolutely stunning. She's gorgeous. I don't think that we look that much alike, but I do understand why people say it.

[Mary Mahoney]

I, I do. I think it's the lips, it's the hair, even the nose. Hmm.

[Courtney]

Okay. So everything. The entire face.

[Mary Mahoney]

I, I. Each week more and more and more.

[Courtney]

Okay. If we ever get her on, I'll have to message like, what are you wearing for this? And how are you wearing your hair? Just so I could try to single white female her.

[Mary Mahoney]

Oh, it's so good.

[Courtney]

I'm like, gary, it's me, co Ellen. We've got a mid season trailer from them that looks to be more insane than the first half, which also kills me, the fact that we're halfway through.

[Mary Mahoney]

I know we're only on episode six, I think so 12 episodes.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Yeah. So maybe a two part reunion.

[Mary Mahoney]

I don't know.

[Courtney]

This could be an electric reunion. But that mid season trailer, is it Rosie that calls Kelsey a slam pig?

[Mary Mahoney]

Honestly, so much was happening. What I really took away was that Joe Allen actually has proof via video that Rula does not know about. I think they picked up cameras because Brian gets arrested in October. So I feel like that was like a pickup scene. And then I'm like, why would they have Brian and Rula on? Watch what happens live as the first people. I feel like they should have like kind of let that go a little bit longer to make the audience think that maybe they weren't together. I don't know.

[Courtney]

But I think we know they're together just because of Instagram.

[Mary Mahoney]

Sure, sure. Yeah. Liz seems to be like having a mental breakdown. Going after the girls is Audrey's gonna close. I don't Think so.

[Courtney]

I think it's still open.

[Mary Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

But when Ashley goes to hug J, she's like, it's okay. It's okay. He's like, wait, Ashley, I'm not gonna cry. She's like, oh, okay. It's like, babe, that's you.

[Mary Mahoney]

I also, I saw this thing that Dolores and Liz were calling Ashley out, saying she's great in her confessionals, but kind of brought not much to the table when they were filming, which I also think she's just like the Peacekeeper. I've enjoyed her, and I was very hesitant because I don't love when people cross over from different reality TV shows. Only if it's, like, Traitors or House of Villains or something like that. Um, I've enjoyed Ashley. I. But I also think she's an outsider. She's not actually from Rhode Island. I. Cece and Liz go way back. Then, like, Liz and Kelsey go back because that's her friend from high school. I mean, they're very. It feels like a small town. People are connected. Everyone knows everybody. So Ashley is a transplant to Rhode island and only associated by marriage.

[Courtney]

Well. And only really connected to Rosie. I'm like, were they worried about Rhode Island? Did they bring Ashley? I had to hopefully get another audience. Did they bring Dolores down as a. Because they were worried about the crossover and not getting people to watch this. And the answer is, we will watch any franchise for at least a season.

[Mary Mahoney]

I'm so happy that Dolores is not on this castle trip. I. It would have been such a disservice for her to go. And I think Liz is doing a fantastic job as the queen bee in being the leader.

[Courtney]

I. Wait, okay. This is going to be an unpopular opinion. I don't know my thoughts on Liz. There is something she is 100% hiding and not talking about the Gypsy and what goes on in there. There's something about her that feels inauthentic to me, and I can't figure out what it is because there's nothing that she's necessarily done. But it's the way that she's presenting herself that I'm like, huh? There's something I'm not on board with. I could not tell you what it is. I don't have something tangible, but I'm vibing differently with her now.

[Mary Mahoney]

That is really interesting, because I feel like this week she was very vulnerable. I feel like in her confessionals, she opens up, and I also think she does a really good job of trying to take the girls under her wing and kind of like that Mama bear.

[Courtney]

Maybe it's the confessional.

[Mary Mahoney]

I do think there might be something going on in other ways, but I'm scared, too, to say what I think, too.

[Courtney]

Dino will find you. He's got a particular set of skills. I think what it is, too, is in her confessionals, maybe this is the tangible. She looks up so much, which is a sign of lying to me.

[Mary Mahoney]

Courtney, that is really funny, because as we've been doing more and more videos, we're learning how to be on video.

[Courtney]

We're still learning, guys. We're still learning.

[Mary Mahoney]

Yeah. And I noticed specifically about Liz and how she doesn't look directly into the camera. And then I started thinking, hmm, is there other housewives that do that?

[Courtney]

She.

[Mary Mahoney]

She also has, like, a lot of movement in the confessionals, and that stood out to me last night for sure. So it's interesting we're both picking up on that.

[Courtney]

Well, because you had brought it up, because when we were talking about confessionals, I was like, I think Liz gives good confessionals. And I was talking about what she says. But you were talking about her body language, because you were like, she moves too much. And so then I started looking at that, and then I noticed the eyes, and I'm like, there's too much looking up. What are we looking at? Or are we trying to hide something? I'm going deep with nothing here. Okay, there's nothing. But there was something that I just was like, I'm. There's. You're not giving me something, and I cannot figure out, but I'm. I don't know that I'm vibing with Liz. As hard as I was in the beginning, she was my standout. Episode one. Now it's, like, the top of the charts, easily.

[Mary Mahoney]

Cece obsessed with Cece and the Crackers. This opening scene where they're all getting the text message from Kelsey that she broke up, and her daughter's walking down, and she's like, it's such a sunny day. And Alicia goes, I'm dead. There was something so silly about the two of them walking, and the daughter's like, la, la, la. It's such a beautiful day. And her mom's like, I'm dead. I got the goss.

[Courtney]

I also was thinking it was something about Rula, the text that was going to come through. Does this not go with the theory, then, that they were already broken up before the show started?

[Mary Mahoney]

Courtney, when you said that, I was, like, looking at those boxes. How full was that closet? I mean, at the end of the day, I still think she was in a 10 year relationship with this man. And I'm happy that she decided to leave it. This relationship totally ran its course. They feel like they're very civil. You know what, to me, I'm like, good for you. He should be paying for your rent for a little bit. If that's the deal that you guys have made and you were together for a decade, good for you.

[Courtney]

Also, she has a boyfriend that we've

[Mary Mahoney]

already met multiple times.

[Courtney]

Billie has been there since the beginning. Okay. It's sad because you're mourning your lifestyle at this point. When she was talking about their last night together, we just hugged each other because we knew this was the last time. I was like, you probably hugged Billi three hours before that. It's so funny because you're mourning the lifestyle now, but he's still giving you a lifestyle style. But now it's also very relevant of why she's so mad that Rosie won't tag her because she has to make a living now.

[Mary Mahoney]

You're so. You're so right. And it's like she clearly got that license before they officially broke up. So she had something to rely on and had something to create an income.

[Courtney]

Cosmetology school is no joke too. That was like a full time job for me when I was in school was like eight to five every single day. And then I would go work my 6 to 11 so I could pay for. And you're on your feet the whole time. It's actually a pretty taxing job. I know it might seem like it's not really, but you're like on your feet all day and you're actually crouched over sometimes you're leaning over a lot. I really had to have comfortable shoes. Like the days you'd wear like your cute shoes. You're like, I just hope we don't have a lot of clients today.

[Mary Mahoney]

No, I believe you for sure. Any. Any job that you're on your feet the entire day is taxing and tiring. I believe me as a teacher, I guess.

[Courtney]

Yeah, right. And you had to have probably you had like three pairs of shoes that were like your go to's because you're like, they're like cute, comfy, but if I'm standing, I'm not wearing a heel.

[Mary Mahoney]

You guys. Courtney and I are obsessed with the Rothy's clogs. Oh my God, they are so comfortable. They are.

[Courtney]

We literally amazing. We had convinced people on our trip to go buy them because we couldn't stop talking about them. I like wear them all the time.

[Mary Mahoney]

Obsessed.

[Courtney]

All the time. All the time. Okay, so Kelsey also, she is nosy, rosy. Like, you think that nosy Rosie was being kind of a production plant. She's trying to start storylines. And then after we learn about this breakup or officially, like, Kelsey is doing the exact same things that she's accusing Rosie of doing or that they're two sides of the same coin.

[Mary Mahoney]

I came around to Rosie this week. I actually ended up feeling bad for her.

[Courtney]

Good.

[Mary Mahoney]

I, I feel like I understand her a lot better. We sit down with Rosie and Rich, who that Rich. He's a doll. He's definitely going to be in March Madness.

[Courtney]

I, he's such a cutie and he loves her so much. Those eyes succeed. Wow. Okay, so somebody check this in a year.

[Mary Mahoney]

But Rosie's, it seems to be developing a lot of anxiety making the show. She's like, flashing back how she's gotten in so many fights with Joelle and Alicia, Kelsey, and she's like, at the end of the day, I'm just a really self conscious person. Like these people that can be out there and be famous and maybe on the inside, we're also super insecure and like, keep a close circle of friends. And she admits to being shy and awkward and she's like, I can't be fake like Jo Ellen. She says the real Rosie is actually super quiet. And I, I, I bought this story. Yeah.

[Courtney]

I don't think she was being fake in this. I think these things have to feel overwhelming too, because you're coming into a franchise, a brand new franchise that has been going on now for 20 years.

[Mary Mahoney]

Right. And I also think she just wants to fit in with the group. Yes.

[Courtney]

Well, yes. And so that's, that's what I mean. So, like, there's this pressure of representing the Real Housewives franchise. We're, we're, we're sharing the minor here right now. Let's, let's dive de. But there's the pressure of a new Bravo franchise. There's the pressure of standing out because you need to make sure that you're a face of the franchise. Then there's also the line of, like, there's already these friendships that run deep. Where do I fit in? I have more of an uphill battle than the other women because my only alliance right now is Ashley. I, But I'm her only alliance too.

[Mary Mahoney]

Right. They're definitely on the island by themselves. Yeah.

[Courtney]

So, like, how, yes. How do I fit in with this group?

[Mary Mahoney]

What? The island of themselves? I said they're definitely on an island by themselves. Of Rhode. Like Rhode Island. So lame.

[Courtney]

It's so stupid.

[Mary Mahoney]

I love it.

[Courtney]

Clip that.

[Mary Mahoney]

Oh, God.

[Courtney]

Oh, my God. Rhode Island. No, I get it now.

[Mary Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

I thought you're talking.

[Mary Mahoney]

I just wanted. I just wanted you to. To make. No, I wanted you to know what I was talking about.

[Courtney]

When you said road, I literally thought of street, so I was like, silly. But you know what? You've made a couple of road jokes over the course of this series, and I swear to God, I get it. Five minutes later, I'm like, oh, my God. She meant like the state.

[Mary Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

And like, what? Remember the first time we were talking about road? I thought you were talking about Hailey Bieber's makeup company. Why would I go there as opposed to the state of Rhode Island? It's in the title of the show. Like, I go everywhere but Rhode Island.

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Get 15 off your first order plus free shipping at bullandbranch.com judgy with code JUDGY. That's bowl and branch. B O L L a n d branch.com judgy code judgy to unlock 15 off exclusions apply. Let's talk a little bit about Joe, Ellen and Jen. I'm fascinated by her sister.

[Courtney]

They don't look anything alike.

[Mary Mahoney]

Jen does not look like you.

[Courtney]

No, we, like. I think Jen and I could switch places in life and we're more believable.

[Mary Mahoney]

Absolutely. The. The sisters, Courtney and Joellen. Jen is interesting. So we. She doesn't drink. She was the favorite child. She's still single. And in this scene where they're shopping, Joellen's talking all about her childhood. And I'm like, but I need more specific things. She kept on talking about her mom was, like, really mean on her and didn't accept her for who she was and all these things. And she wasn't giving examples. So I kind of wasn't buying it. And then we come to find out. It sounds like she went to like, one of those, like, Paris Hilton schools, got sent away.

[Courtney]

She's not a stabber. The example she gave, I was like, stabber. But yeah, that was wild because, I mean, I obviously didn't know her. We were separated at birth, like, parent trap style. So I didn't know her. But it is kind of crazy. Like, what was she doing that her mom felt the need to send her away?

[Mary Mahoney]

I'm guessing life in the fast lane, like, probably drinking, maybe dabbling in different things, maybe seeing a bunch of people. But her mom was very serious and sent her away and sounds like it was a very traumatizing situation. And she just. Her mom also doesn't say, like, I love you. And so she really resents her mom for sending her away and not showing her love and how she wants to break the cycle with her own kids. And Jen commends her for that and Jen commends her for confronting her mother and just like, what a different relationship the two women have with the mom. It's kind of crazy.

[Courtney]

Definitely. And then I started thinking too. Has Joanne been chasing what she thinks is the Perfect daughter for her mom. It seems the way that she also manages her life where she has to be right because she thinks her mom was so wrong in everything that she did. And so that's why she's also a dog with a bone of like, I gotta do this. I gotta do this because I'm right. It doesn't matter if it's going to hurt people's feelings or do whatever. I have to prove I'm right because I was told I wasn't.

[Mary Mahoney]

I mean, she literally says that.

[Courtney]

So I've taken the words out of her mouth and put them in my own.

[Mary Mahoney]

You're twin.

[Courtney]

It's that twin telepathy thing, you know, like. Yeah, yeah, I get it. Yeah, yeah. Let's talk about Kelsey and Liz packing. The gift that Liz gives Kelsey.

[Mary Mahoney]

Courtney. I didn't know what it was. It had some weird saying that I didn't even write down because I was like, this is stupid. But. But what was the gift? Was it a coin? A compass?

[Courtney]

It was a compass, like, to lead north. I thought she was giving her, like, a compact and the meaning was like, look at who you are. And you all.

[Mary Mahoney]

Like a reflection.

[Courtney]

Yeah, like a reflection of you. And then she opens it to this saying, and I'm like, I'm not gonna be rude. I'd probably toss this.

[Mary Mahoney]

Absolutely. I. No, this is not a gift for me. Also, when Liz asked her, I just have one question. Who's gonna DC the lemons for you? That was like a part of their original conversation. But, Courtney, I'm kind of on your team. I think she was already moved out at this point.

[Courtney]

She also acts as if it was her decision. I don't think it was her decision.

[Mary Mahoney]

Well, it sounds like he was dating more and more women. He had more than Miami Girl.

[Courtney]

Well, remember five months with her, five months with Kelsey. Where were the other two?

[Mary Mahoney]

He found two other women. Four weeks with one, four weeks with the next.

[Courtney]

Sounds like Cody from Sister Wives, but better for him. Cody needs a lesson from Miami. Big Papa. Wait, also, rip. Rip Big Papa. Did you see that? He passed away like Kim Zolcia.

[Mary Mahoney]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Kim Zolcate, the OG Big Papa.

[Mary Mahoney]

Oh, wow.

[Courtney]

But also, what was like, weird. This is why the news cycle is so insane and celebrity news. Big Papa has passed. Like, his title is Big Papa as opposed to his name. And it's like Big Papa has passed as a photo of Kim Zolciak. But that's what's crazy about the news cycle is like, rip to this man.

[Mary Mahoney]

Yeah. That we know is Big papa. No. This is strange that we know this.

[Courtney]

We shouldn't know a lot of the things that we know. But. But Rip. But I thought it was interesting when she was like, yeah. So then finally I was like, I've got a figure out my life. As if she's, like, forging it alone. Like, we know Billy is the one moving the stuff out.

[Mary Mahoney]

I know Billy is moving stuff out.

[Courtney]

But she was like, yeah, he told me he thinks I'm making the right decision. He was like, you can go. Bye. He's like, I've got someone to replace you.

[Mary Mahoney]

I hope we get to see what her new apartment looks like. Is it just a one bedroom? Is it, like a big, nice space? What is this man paying for?

[Courtney]

What have we gone from? From luxury to love?

[Mary Mahoney]

I feel like he got our two bedroom. What do you think? Maybe a condo?

[Courtney]

Does Billy live there?

[Mary Mahoney]

No.

[Courtney]

No. Okay. Is Billy gonna try to move in maybe?

[Mary Mahoney]

No, Billy has his own money.

[Courtney]

What does Billy do?

[Mary Mahoney]

Not as much money. We don't know what Billy does yet.

[Courtney]

Okay, okay. Well, we know he could be a Chippendales dancer when he wears his vest and bell bottom outfit.

[Mary Mahoney]

That's so true. He really does look like someone that you would see in Vegas.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary Mahoney]

Yeah. Okay.

[Courtney]

Okay, let's talk about this girl's trip.

[Mary Mahoney]

Yes. Alicia. God, she is absolutely hysterical. She goes, oh, my gosh. If it's over 30 minutes, I don't drive myself. I gotta call an Uber. I mean, she literally hit someone. So it's probably the safest thing to do. The girls, they have Rolls Royces to take them. They're going to Seaview Terrace. Who? It's Liz's best friend's friend that owns it. 43,000 square feet, 18 bathrooms, 29 bedrooms. Alicia clearly has to eat some crackers on the car ride over. There's two hot butlers. And then I was very confused. Did Alicia bring the dolls or were the dolls a part of this house?

[Courtney]

Great question.

[Mary Mahoney]

I thought she chose to be in the doll room. And I was like, okay, this is fun. Keep on going with her doll thing, whatever. And we find out. Ashley. I had all five American Girl dolls. She seems like she would also.

[Courtney]

She was in the fairy room. I don't feel like she brought these dolls because when one of the doll's legs fell off and she replaced it, she was too calm. Like, way too calm. But I did have a question, because when they arrived at Liz's or Alicia's or wherever the meeting point was and they got into the Rolls Royce they made it seem like there were only two Rolls Royces, and they never showed as arriving. So then all of a sudden, I was like, where did Rosie go? What car is she in? And then we pull up to Seaview Terrace, and Ashley and Rosie get out, and I'm like, wait, when did Ashley get there? Oh, h. Just a continuity thing.

[Mary Mahoney]

Right. Well, maybe they, like, made her get in the car once she got there, and she actually drove herself. Oh, right. And Rula has not shown up yet. She has decided not to. It's. It's very interesting because I think they had a hard time getting Rula to come to things. I. She ends up leaving Polo at the beginning. She didn't come to something. This.

[Courtney]

If the truth is that she was a friend of, maybe she was never going to be because Dolores wasn't there either. Right. So maybe friends of weren't invited. But then last week.

[Mary Mahoney]

No, she was invited.

[Courtney]

I guess I'm just wondering if it was. It's like, what's going on there? If she wasn't considered full time at that point, I don't know. But if that was the first Wicked I had heard that Joellen delivered.

[Mary Mahoney]

Oh,

[Courtney]

my mom loves using Wicked. Oh, that's the first one I recognized. Somebody might tell me that that happened earlier episodes, but that was the first one I caught.

[Mary Mahoney]

That's the first one I caught, too.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary Mahoney]

Yeah. Okay.

[Courtney]

Okay.

[Mary Mahoney]

So.

[Courtney]

So Cece is hosting this doll lunch, and unclear why.

[Mary Mahoney]

Why or if the dolls came from

[Courtney]

her home, but either way, why?

[Mary Mahoney]

Well, she just. She loves dolls. Her first doll was the Snow White doll, and she just, like, had it to be perfect, and people come for centuries or billions of years ago to connect with baby dolls.

[Courtney]

Billions. Billions. When she walked into, she was like, wow, this is like a story. Tale. I don't know what that is.

[Mary Mahoney]

I am obsessed with her. I love her so, so much, because I don't think she's putting it on at.

[Courtney]

Not at all.

[Mary Mahoney]

She didn't know how to say facade this week.

[Courtney]

And then I thought, even if she knew what the word was, do you think she, like, looked it up later? I think she's so authentically herself. She's like, billy, Billy, Billy. I got this message, and she's, like, reading, and I feel like Billy's like, can you spell the word? And she's like, F, A, C, A, D, E. He's like, it's facade, Alicia.

[Mary Mahoney]

It's facade. She had a metal detector. At one point, she was on the grass with a metal detector, thinking she was gonna find like buried treasure at this castle.

[Courtney]

She thought someone left a diamond somewhere. It was a nick, it was a dime. She kept walking. So I think that the dolls might have been at the terrace because they all had high chairs at the table. Him.

[Mary Mahoney]

So creepy. So creepy.

[Courtney]

I was surprised. Not a single one of them in a selkie dress. You know those, like, big, poofy, like, dresses that are off the shoulder. The girls would wear them to the tea parties and, like, Vanderpump rules.

[Mary Mahoney]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Courtney]

I was surprised. Not a single single one of those. Liz was wearing very tall wedges and fell. Yep, she did. But this lunch didn't necessarily make sense to me. This is not enough for me as an event because we're basically having lunch and we're having dinner. What's the event here?

[Mary Mahoney]

Right. Like, there was no, like, activity or thing to do. They're kind of just stuck at this castle.

[Courtney]

Exactly. Like, maybe we could have had six metal detectors.

[Mary Mahoney]

Oh, that would have been the event.

[Courtney]

Yeah. They took Rolls Royces, they arrived, they had doll lunch. Then they're like, okay, go up into your room until we have to do mask dinner. And then dinner ended and then they were like, okay, everyone's starting to get unready, and then we're done. We're talking shit. But then, like, we're done.

[Mary Mahoney]

Right? I don't like it when producers, like, put upon things and were, like, forced. Like, the masks felt forced, but the way that they did it was kind of comical. The way the butler came in and Liz was going to deliver this and she is like. Like, I have a mask for each of these women and I feel like this just, like, solidified that, like, Liz is the queen bee and she was deciding who is going to get each mask and why. And Rosie, she gets this big one because she's larger than life, but it's really a facade and we have to go deeper.

[Courtney]

Faked. Yeah.

[Mary Mahoney]

And then Ashley, she gets this gold moment where she can't open her mouth because she's always so subdued. Ashley is the Venus mask.

[Courtney]

So mean. Wasn't.

[Mary Mahoney]

I've seen this mask before. It's scary. Joe, Ellen, she's the jester, but there's heavier stuff down there. And Kelsey, she gets this dark one because she's closed off, but she has a bright side at the end, since she's left.

[Courtney]

That was like a lacy front too. Like, literally everyone had a nice mask

[Mary Mahoney]

but Ashley, I. Alicia, not everything is perfect. And then Liz as the big bad wolf, but she has a sensitive side.

[Courtney]

People think I'M a wolf in sheep's clothing, but I'm a sheep in wolf's clothing. Okay, let's take a break and come back with the dinner.

[Mary Mahoney]

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But then at the dinner I thought they did a good job opening up and I feel like I truly did learn about each woman. So Jo Ellen kicks off and she talks about how she was sent away. She talks about her and her mom's relationship and she's like. And that's the reason. Like I never start things but I will defend myself to the end of time. I will make it be known that I am bright and like I can't give it up. And that's because of my, my mother.

[Courtney]

I think the problem I had with this thing is it was kind of the same thing of when we were at the winery and we were doing rumors about each other, right? Like this is the games. Like this is becoming kind of the trauma Olympics again where I'm like, I understand you want us to get to know you guys, but this feels like put upon as an audience member. I like learning about them, but it just, I don't know, it felt weird. Maybe that's. I just can't figure out why I'm turning on Liz.

[Mary Mahoney]

This would have bothered me if it wasn't a first season. But I feel like we still are getting to know them. So we find out Liz lost her mom at 15 years old. So she has abandonment issues, and she's, like, very hard to get to know, clearly hard for Courtney to get to know. And she's.

[Courtney]

But that's just it, because I think that she has shared things, and so I feel like she's putting on this weird front. You guys. I think I'm crazy because I don't know why I'm feeling this way, but there's just. Just something off for me.

[Mary Mahoney]

I mean, maybe you're not wrong. I don't know.

[Courtney]

I. I mostly am.

[Mary Mahoney]

Not really true. I just keep on reading dms that are like, this is the first time I agreed with Mary.

[Courtney]

The first. We've been doing this for so long.

[Mary Mahoney]

That's the first time I saw it twice this week. I was like, okay, okay,

[Courtney]

well, maybe they're new listener. Ashley. I. I lost it at this one because she takes off that mask, and she is immediately crying immediate tears, and she's talking about the Bachelor, because when she went on the Bachelor, she knew she was going to have to talk about something hard, but nothing hard has happened to her. It's actually pretty sad that I have to cry because I don't have a sob story and I have nothing to cry about. And one day, someone I know will die.

[Mary Mahoney]

I know this was truly, truly insane. She was crying because she has nothing to cry about. So good. So good.

[Courtney]

So funny. So funny.

[Mary Mahoney]

This was the moment where I decided to like Rosie. You know, she's like, I was always, like, taught to be bigger and to pretend. And, you know, she has a lot of trauma from her mother as well, and she's like. But at the end of the day, I'm, like, very shy. I have a lot of anxiety, and, you know, that's who I truly am. And I believed her.

[Courtney]

I want to meet her mom.

[Mary Mahoney]

Me too.

[Courtney]

I want to know. I want to know. I actually think you and Rosie would get along. The Catholic thing, I feel. I feel like you'd meet her and you'd be like, oh, my God, I love her.

[Mary Mahoney]

We're besties. Yeah.

[Courtney]

I think. I think we could. I think we could convert you. You're kind of a nosy Rosie. You have to know everything.

[Mary Mahoney]

I am such a nosy Rosie. I want the goss. And I don't want to write it out. I don't want to leave a text message. I want to talk about it on the phone.

[Courtney]

Say it. Forget it.

[Mary Mahoney]

Right. Regret it.

[Courtney]

Dorinda Medley. Tyler Perry,

[Mary Mahoney]

Mary Mahoney.

[Courtney]

Yeah, exactly. So, Kelsey, she's sensitive about her relationship. Her ex still pays for her Things. Her health insurance, her car insurance. He's going to pay the rent. It was like a marriage. And I mean, in truth, it kind of was a common law marriage. It was 10 years of her life. She went from living with her parents to living with him. She has been a kept woman, taken care of her entire life. But her also pretending like she has to figure it out, as if she's not going to rely on Billy for everything.

[Mary Mahoney]

I need to know the timeline. I need to know when she started dating Billy. Like, was she allowed to do that? There's just way more to the story, and I hope at the reunion she's honest about how things.

[Courtney]

Kelsey is so stunning. She is so beautiful. And it's actually rude because I've never figured out how to do a winged eyeliner. And so when I see women with a great winged eyeliner, I am immediately jealous.

[Mary Mahoney]

How old is she?

[Courtney]

I think she's like 31, you guys.

[Mary Mahoney]

Finding out Alicia was 41 this week, I was shocked and I don't know why. She has like a 9 year old. Like I was.

[Courtney]

How old do you think she was?

[Mary Mahoney]

Way older.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary Mahoney]

Not because she looks bad or anything like that. I just am so confused. When a housewife is my age.

[Courtney]

I think this cast of housewives is actually relatively young. I could tell you the ages if you'd like. Yeah. Yes, please.

[Mary Mahoney]

I'd love that.

[Courtney]

Okay, so Kelsey Swanson, 31.

[Mary Mahoney]

You were right.

[Courtney]

Uhhuh. Rosie. 34.

[Mary Mahoney]

Wait, I feel like I should guess. Okay, okay.

[Courtney]

How old do you think Rosie is?

[Mary Mahoney]

34. Oh my.

[Courtney]

Nailed it. Okay, Ashley, I.

[Mary Mahoney]

34.

[Courtney]

37. Joellen,

[Mary Mahoney]

38.

[Courtney]

Yes. Alicia. Guess again.

[Mary Mahoney]

41.

[Courtney]

Nailed it.

[Mary Mahoney]

God, you are good.

[Courtney]

You are good. Okay, rula.

[Mary Mahoney]

Ooh. Okay. 46. 46. Okay. Wow. Because she has like a five year old.

[Courtney]

Okay. Okay. And then Liz,

[Mary Mahoney]

52.

[Courtney]

55.

[Mary Mahoney]

Oh, so she's older than her husband.

[Courtney]

Studio 54.

[Mary Mahoney]

A little coug.

[Courtney]

It was filmed last summer though, right? Right. No, so I'm saying. So she could be just. Well, I guess that she's still older, though. I think you're right. Even if it's a few months. Okay, back to the show. Rosie and Kelsey, they still have this because Rosie in her confessional is like, so instead of it being her boyfriend, now she has a real sugar daddy.

[Mary Mahoney]

I mean, it's kind of true.

[Courtney]

It's just like, funny because I think for Rosie, I think a lot of the way that she, like, banters with people and like the way that she jokes around is kind of kind of Like, Mark from Ladies of London is. It's like, a lot of jokey insult humor, which doesn't always go well, but you have to have, like, the right personality to do that with.

[Mary Mahoney]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Or like, someone who can take the joke, but Kelsey's not gonna take the joke for Rosie. I also think Kelsey's in competition with Rosie because they're the youngest cast.

[Mary Mahoney]

Well, I think Kelsey was very rude with her backhanded compliment. Well, Rosie, I think that's the first genuine thing that came out of your mouth, but. Oh, no, no, no. I meant that in a nice way. I was like, oh, that. That's what I felt like. They had a nice dinner and a nice moment, and we learned more about Rosie, and then she kind of put it. And I felt bad for Rosie in this moment.

[Courtney]

First up, before we go into this, though, I just have to. We have to talk about Cece being homeless.

[Mary Mahoney]

This is like, Bethany Liz, you are not. You were never homeless. You come from a good family. And she's like, no, we were. We were. My dad left us. We didn't have a home. I'm like, well, I guess you were then homeless.

[Courtney]

Not toothless. She's like, but you didn't live on the streets. She's like, but I could have.

[Mary Mahoney]

If.

[Courtney]

If my grandparents didn't take me in. Like, we could have. Like, I had to share a room with my mom. The car.

[Mary Mahoney]

The car bed.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Okay, so back to this Rosie Kelsey combo, right? Rosie says to Kelsey, after she says the genuine thing, I think she's like, I'm gonna bite my tongue on this. And I'm just gonna say, well, I. I appreciate that. And at the boat last week, Rosie had told Ashley, we are friends, and I don't feel like you stood up for me. I also think she was kind of like, Ashley something here. We're on a show, and we do have to create drama. Like, this isn't the Bachelor. You can cry, but I'm not sure what we're crying about. And so Ashley, I interjects, and she sticks up for Rosie. Okay, that was kind of rude. And then they're all defending Kelsey.

[Mary Mahoney]

Yeah, I. I felt bad for Ashley in this moment. And then.

[Courtney]

What's it called when a horse is dead?

[Mary Mahoney]

Beating a dead horse.

[Courtney]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like, I think what we're doing here, like, let's move on. Let's move on. And I did feel bad for Rosie because she does have to bite her tongue with the group, so it's like, she can't have A conversation where she's going to get snapped at. She can't stand up for herself because she's going to get snapped at. So, like, what can she do?

[Mary Mahoney]

No, this was a sad moment. And then the way that Kelsey walked in her room later because she sees Ashley Eye and Rosie talking. She can hear them whispering. She just struts herself in, and Kelsey is, like, ready to go. She's like, you lie about everything. The square footage of your. Your house, you lie about your job, you lie about your relationships. And Rosie's literally like, I was bleeding out my butt. Do you think I'd rather say that?

[Courtney]

I'd rather say I got fired for an affair, not wearing diapers to work and having to go on medical leave. But this is where I was like, okay, so Kelsey is actually jealous of Rosie. Rosie has that vibe to. Rosie is married, which Rosie points out. Oh, Kelsey, where's your home? You don't have one. Oh, Kelsey, where's your husband? You don't have one. Oh, where's your job? Oh, you've had a license for a year. You know, like, I've been working way longer. And I felt jealousy from Kelsey where she was like, I wish that I had someone who wanted to, like, build me a home. Who cares about the square footage? They keep showing us the foundation being built.

[Mary Mahoney]

They are very obsessed with her building because I think think they think it's not gonna happen, but who cares? Well, if you're. If you're bragging about it, but I

[Courtney]

think Rosie does think it's gonna happen. I think it's really Rich that's probably making the decisions on that. I think in Rosie's mind, she does think it. She's like, you want to build 5, 000 square feet? Okay. Okay. Like, the foundation has been built there. We see it in the ground. They've mapped it out. It's coming, but it might just be coming slower than normal.

[Mary Mahoney]

Sure. They might need to do a couple Frank Sinatra gigs so they can afford it.

[Courtney]

And it's not impersonating. It's just singing the songs. Okay, remember, remember, because you know Rich, he could do it all on his own. Those eyes.

[Mary Mahoney]

I surprised he could go far. We need to. We haven't even seen a performance by him. Do you think we're gonna get one if we got a performance like, at the finale?

[Courtney]

Jesse Solomon, I might have to drop you. If Rich starts, he's like, I did it my way. I was like, yes, you did, Rich. You did do it your way. I built the house. I got the pool. I got the girl. I did it my way.

[Mary Mahoney]

Okay, I think on that note we should get going.

[Courtney]

Fine. There's the door. All right. We'll be back tomorrow with summer house, all the news, everything that's happened since the weekend. Can't wait to dissect. See you then.

[Mary Mahoney]

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[Courtney]

Are you really buying a car online

[Mary Mahoney]

on autotrader right now? Really?

[Courtney]

At a playground?

[Mary Mahoney]

Yeah, really. Look at these listings from dealers. Wow, your search can really get that specific. Really? And you just put in your info and boom. Cars in your budget.

[Courtney]

Mom needs a second.

[Mary Mahoney]

Honey, you can really have it delivered.

[Courtney]

Really? Or I can pick it up at the dealership. One sec, sweetie.

[Mary Mahoney]

Mommy's buying a car. Mommy, I think your kid is walking up the slide.

[Courtney]

Kyle. Again?

[Sarah Gibson Tuttle]

Really?

[Mary Mahoney]

Auto trader? Buy your car online? Really? We're lost. It feels like we're going round in circles. I'm gonna ask that man for directions. Hi there. We're trying to get to the state fairgrounds.

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[Mary Mahoney]

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[Mary Mahoney]

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[Courtney]

Actually, can you pull up the way

[Mary Mahoney]

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