TJG: Southern Hospitality S4 E10 + RHOBH S15 Reunion Part 3!

Summary

Two Judgey Girls Podcast

Southern Hospitality S4 E10 & RHOBH S15 Reunion Part 3 Recap

Hosts: Courtney (LA) & Mary (Bay)
Date: May 8, 2026

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Episode Overview

Courtney and Mary reunite to discuss the highlights and lowlights of two Bravo favorites:

• Southern Hospitality Season 4, Episode 10, centering around a cast trip in the Dominican Republic and evolving drama among the group.
• Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 15 Reunion Part 3, where the hosts reflect on the franchise's current cast, dynamics, and speculate about its future.

The conversation is characteristically candid, humorous, and sharply critical, with a mixture of affectionate fandom and pointed judgment.

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Southern Hospitality S4 E10

Dominican Republic Trip, Relationship Drama, and Emmy’s Perceived Delusion

(Timestamps approx. 02:42–33:50)

Trip Overview & Positive Vibes

• Courtney: Happy to pivot away from RHOBH fatigue. Praises Southern Hospitality S4 for mixing fun with "real and raw conversations"—noting this is rare by a fourth season. (04:08)
• Mary: Loves the dynamic of Michaels and Maddie co-hosting the trip; calls the whole arrangement "serendipitous." (03:29)

Emmy’s Drama & Perception

• Emmy is at odds with much of the group, especially Michaels, after a misread confrontation leaves Michaels hurt and Emmy oblivious:

  "Emmy legitimately has no idea they were not at the same conversation... Michael is like, she is so selfish. She doesn't listen. We're never gonna get anywhere.” – Mary (04:37) "She's misread nothing. She knows exactly what's going on... She's a professional victim. She's so annoying... She is an insane person." – Courtney (05:20)

• The hosts agree Emmy’s presence has become unfun to watch and question if she’s fit for another season.

Threesome Rumors, Friendship Squabbles & Confessions

• Hilarity ensues at a brunch where Lake denies rumors about hooking up with O’Sheen—a claim soon undercut by her own confession:

  “Liar! That didn’t happen. And then... five minutes later, you say, yes, it did happen. It’s so weird.” – Courtney (06:21) "But she's saying, yes, I hooked up with O'Sheen, but not the threesome part..." – Mary (06:39)

Michaels & TJ: Vulnerable Conversations

• Delving into sexuality and maturity, Michaels expresses interest in TJ, but TJ puts boundaries in place, emphasizing he's looking for a serious partner:

  “The next person I'm with, I want that to be like, my forever, and Michaels isn't there.” – Courtney (08:12) “I thought Michaels would have been interested in exploring more with TJ if TJ had left the door open.” – Mary (09:03)

The “Plantain” Safe Word & Food Tangents

• The group adopts “plantain” as a safe word for no drama.
• Courtney and Mary marvel at the cast's confusion about plantains, segueing into a food tangent:

  “I think plantains are amazing. I love the plantain chip.” – Courtney (10:22)

Joe Bradley’s Career Angles: Bar vs. Hair

• Joe’s aspirations to open a bar draw skepticism:

  “I just feel like he has no direction. Like his dream is to open a bar, but it doesn't seem like you have the finances to open a bar. ...I don't want another Shorts and Sandy situation for my Joey B.” – Mary (10:39)

• The hosts propose he lean into a possible hair-product venture given his looks.

Maddie’s Anxiety & Health Struggles – Relationship Endgame?

• Maddie opens up about anxiety and various health issues (celiac, IBS, GERD, fertility concerns).
• Joe is praised as a supportive, if sometimes clumsy, boyfriend:

  “I want them to be endgame so bad. Do you think they're endgame?” – Mary (14:37) “I do think that they could be. ...We should always want our partners to love us more than we love them. ...He, like, wanted it to be this big, grandiose gesture because he loves Maddie Reese so much.” – Courtney (14:37)

Group Activities & Real-Time Relationships

• The cast goes ziplining; the hosts comment on Emmy’s nervous hair-twirling, her medication, and confrontations in the air.
• Brad's alleged breakup with Julia is a brief but dramatic moment—ultimately a fakeout.
• The “A team” church outing causes ruffled feathers with Emmy, who feels left out:

  “Emmy doesn't actually want to go to the church, but that's the A team of the cast... She's pissed that that's not the group she was included in.” – Courtney (28:12)

Vulnerable Church Scene: Michaels’ Faith and Sexuality

• A poignant moment as Michaels, emotional in his childhood church, recalls praying away his gayness and reflects on faith, acceptance, and self-worth:

  “Watching him cry in that church and TJ coming over, I started crying.” – Courtney (31:04) “He experienced religion and ...would pray away the gay... How could you not question your faith if they're telling you not to be yourself?” – Mary (31:04)

Closing Thoughts on Emmy & Group Dynamics

• The hosts feel Emmy’s arc is played out and doubt she’ll— or should—be asked back:

  “The reunion's going to be terrible for her. ...I don't think we need her.” – Courtney (28:06, 33:25)

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Real Housewives of Beverly Hills S15 Reunion Part 3

Franchise Fatigue, Dynamic Shifts & Cast Speculation

(Timestamps approx. 36:27–54:55)

Reunion Fatigue & Stale Storylines

• Both hosts express exhaustion with the current cast and rehashed drama:

  “It is draining watching this. ...I think we're not invested in anyone anymore.” – Mary (36:30, 36:42) “Five seasons... and I just feel like—it’s run its course.” – Courtney (36:42)

Dorit, Kyle & Erika: Brick Walls & Guarded Reunions

• Dorit, once favored by the hosts, is now seen as defensive; the reunion is called exhausting.
• The trio (Dorit, Erika, Kyle) are cited as particularly non-reflective or open:

  “We're talking to brick walls. Nobody is letting their guard down.” – Courtney (38:05) “It's like you guys are pretending you're not Kyle's minions... You always talk about how Kyle's the queen bee.” – Courtney (38:24)

Cast Power Structures

• Discussion about show power, especially Kyle’s sway:

  “It was interesting when Dorit said Erika’s afraid to go against Kyle because she’s afraid she’s going to get kicked off the show. ...I feel like she does have power.” – Mary (38:33) “Or Kyle keeps you on because you’re a punching bag for her. ...When it was the Fox Force Five, you guys were all aligned. ...This is the first season it's been Dorit vs. Kyle and Erika—like, that alliance is done.” – Courtney (38:53)

Ending Friendships & Fake Alliances

• Realizations about the true state of relationships:

  “Erika says, ‘You are fighting too hard for a friendship that doesn’t exist.’ And that summed it up for me.” – Mary (39:29) “At that point, it's like, we don't have to be friends and we don't have to be enemies. ...You guys can all co-exist.” – Courtney (39:44)

Jennifer Tilly, Rachel Zoe, and Casting Wishes

• The hosts advocate for Jennifer Tilly as a full-time housewife, anticipate a Rachel Zoe vs. Kyle storyline, and discuss possible new casting through friend connections:

  “I would like to see more of Sutton and Jennifer Tilly... I want Jennifer to be a full-time housewife next season... I do predict next season Rachel Zoe is going to come to Dorit's defense... become this really big deal, kind of like Rachel versus Kyle.” – Mary (40:12)

Reflection on Show Format & Audience

• Why the show stays stagnant: It caters to casual, not avid, fans; storylines drag for binge-watchers.

  “The problem is, we’ve been playing safe for so many years, which I think is why a lot of casual fans like this show... For the people like us who are watching... this is exhausting.” – Courtney (44:46)

Dream Reboots, Old Faces, & Insurance Liabilities

• Hosts riff about possible returns (Lisa Vanderpump, Brandi Glanville), but dismiss most ideas due to logistics or drama overload.

Who Should Stay and Who Should Go?

• A quickfire “return or cut?” rundown of the cast (52:02–54:29). Most surprising picks: Jennifer Tilly (“Yes, full time”), Amanda (“No”), Erica (“Yes, but a huge one”), Kyle (“No, but yes... the final season, a swan song for Kyle Richards”).
• Recurring conclusion: the franchise desperately needs fresh faces.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Emmy's Delusion:

  "Emmy is to herself not a liar because she believes everything that comes out of her mouth. She's a professional victim. She's so annoying." – Courtney (05:20)

• On Michaels' Faith:

  "Him talking about 'I would pray away the gay'...I hope this maybe, like, reignites something in his faith and he perhaps wants to go back to church and feels like he could be accepted." – Mary (31:04)

• On RHOBH Staleness:

  "It is draining watching this...I think Erica, it's run the course. I think Sutton has run the course. Kyle, Dorit...I was on her side the entire season, but Dorit lost me at the reunion." – Mary (36:42)

• On Show Power Structures:

  "You guys are pretending you're not Kyle's minions...You always talk about how Kyle's the queen bee of the show." – Courtney (38:24) "Dorit said Erika's afraid to go against Kyle because she's afraid she's going to get kicked off the show...I feel like she does have power." – Mary (38:33)

• On Franchise Future:

  "We need a reboot. A revamp camp. Not a full reboot...focus on Rachel's friends. ...Until Kyle goes, unless Rachel takes her on next season, I feel like that's her only formidable enemy." – Courtney (54:31)

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Suggested Listen: Timestamps for Key Segments

• Welcoming & Southern Hospitality Kickoff: 02:42
• Emmy/Michaels confrontation analysis: 04:23–05:48
• Lake/O’Sheen drama/threesome confession: 05:48–07:23
• Michaels & TJ relationship talk: 07:23–09:41
• Joe Bradley’s ambitions: 10:39–12:46
• Maddie’s anxiety/health discussion: 13:04–15:46
• Ziplining & Dinner in the Sky segment: 22:22–25:49
• Church scene and Michaels’ vulnerability: 30:29–32:20
• RHOBH Reunion critique start: 36:27
• Cast power, production talk: 38:24–44:46
• Run-through of who should return: 52:02–54:55

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Overall Tone

Fun, sharp, irreverent, and steeped in the lingo and logic of Bravo fandom. The hosts balance snark and real emotional insight—especially regarding the authentic moments on Southern Hospitality and the need for deeper change on RHOBH.

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Final Words

A must-listen for Bravo superfans seeking both affectionate roasting and insightful analysis, with plenty of laughs and a clear yearning for fresher, more authentic reality TV.

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[End of Summary]

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[Mary]

Welcome back to two Judgy Girls. This is Mary from the Bay and

[Courtney]

it's Courtney from la. Are you coming out tonight, Southern hospitality.

[Mary]

We get to wrap up Beverly Hills. Thank God. So overdone. Done. Done.

[Courtney]

It's wild because obviously the casual viewers. This is probably the biggest housewife franchise that people watch. I feel like I hear all the time, Beverly Hills is my favorite franchise. And it's people who aren't crazy like us. And yet you watch these reunions and you're like, didn't we talk about this already? Haven't we spoken about this already? And I just feel like let's punish ourselves at the end and let's talk happy things, like how good Southern hospitality is.

[Mary]

Oh, I'm loving the Dominican Republic. I also. I think it is really sweet that Michaels and Maddie are, like, co hosting the trip, and he's actually from there. And then Maddie has, like, this big DJ set. Feels, like, very serendipitous.

[Courtney]

I also love this show because. And I'm not talking about Emmy, but in this show, they're having fun, but they're also having a lot of real and raw conversations. And you don't see see that that often in a show like this at season four. And so when we're seeing this, it's really nice just to see all these different dimensions of people on this show.

[Mary]

And I like it totally. So the episode is called you can't go to church with us, Emmy, which also, apparently Emmy in real time is not on the schedule at Republic.

[Courtney]

That doesn't surprise me. Leva is having some interesting Instagram commentary with people. She's gotten, like, into fights with people. She's like, I'm seeing this for the first time. Like, you're an executive producer. I think she knows what's going on in her show.

[Mary]

I just. I don't know the inner workings. But Emmy is currently not working at Republic, and we step back in because poor Michaels is in the bathroom crying. And Emmy legitimately has no idea they were not at the same conversation. She is like, oh, yeah, we push forward. Progress is progress. Michael is like, she is so selfish. She doesn't listen. We're never gonna get anywhere.

[Courtney]

It's.

[Mary]

It's amazing how they were at the same place at the same time, but have two totally different versions of the story. And it's because Emmy has completely misread the situation. Like, she has every single situation.

[Courtney]

She's misread nothing. She knows exactly what's going on. But Emmy is to herself not a liar because she believes everything that comes out of her mouth. She's a professional victim. She's so annoying. There's so much else that's happening on this show, like the silly squabbles of Lake and o' Sheen and all of that. That I'm like, that's, like, silly and ridiculous. And we could talk poorly about people in that way. But, Emmy, it's not even fun to watch her. She is an insane person.

[Mary]

Oh, insane.

[Courtney]

Okay.

[Mary]

The way that Molly came for Lake at that brunch was absolutely hysterical. Also, Lake is so hungover. She's like, oh, no, not today. Not first thing in the morning. I haven't even had my mimosa. And she's just like, well, I mean, you're the one spreading the rumors about a threesome. I never had a threesome. And Joe Bradley clocking her like, come on, you slept with him multiple times over a couple days. And she's like, okay, that part is true.

[Courtney]

That part is where she's like, liar. That didn't happen. And then she talks to her mom on the phone is like, so I did have to admit it happened. I was like, why would you do that in your confessional where you're deny, deny. And then five minutes later, you say, yes, it did happen. It's so weird.

[Mary]

But she's saying, yes, I hooked up with o', Sheen, but not the threesome part. She's admitting to the hookup, but not a threesome.

[Courtney]

I think she had the threesome. She's like, the only person I went home with that night was Nessa. I was like, okay. And then he was in the Uber behind you. Maybe Trevor was petty cabbing him back to your house, like, okay, you might not have left with him, but I think something definitely happened. Don't lie. And then they all make up. They're like, okay, thanks for admitting it. And they, like, high five. Mia, Molly, and Lake, they're. They're moving forward, even though Lake has a lot say in her confessionals. By the way, this Zel breakfast, I had that in the Mallorca Hotel. It was so good. Oh, my God, it's so good. So good. So good.

[Mary]

They looked like they had a great time. Michael's tried to get a kiss from TJ and that situation. I've been asking you every single week. What do you think?

[Courtney]

I think TJ Said it all. And I really appreciated this pool conversation because when they were in the club the night before the pool and Michael's lean over and is like, I'd be lying if I didn't say that I thought about you during my relationship with Preston, which is like, wait, what? And TJ Tells him about that the next day, and he's like, and then in New York, you told me you loved me, so what is it that you're looking for? And we've said Michaels is in his hoe phase, and TJ said, the next person I'm with. I've actually really turned around on TJ this season, by the way.

[Mary]

Me too. Like, so much. He's been refreshing and fun in light.

[Courtney]

Yeah. But when he was like, the next person I'm with, I want that to be like, my forever, and Michael's isn't there. And I think TJ put the kibosh on it, saying, let's just be friends.

[Mary]

That was shocking to me, to be honest. Really?

[Courtney]

Well, I think because T.J. was like, I can separate this. Of friends who are hooking up, and you're newly into this space, and it's gonna be worse for us if you get drunk and you tell me when we make out that you love me or whatever. Let's not do that. We're great as friends. We're having a good time. Have your fun.

[Mary]

No, I thought it was interesting. Michael's in the confessional, basically calling out TJ when things get too hot. You're saying it's my maturity, my age. I think Michaels would have been receptive to leaning into this more. It feels like he likes him.

[Courtney]

I think he does. But also, I think about, like, New York and when they were getting their pedicure and. And that. And I think it wasn't that. It's his age of maturity. I think TJ was just recognizing you want to have fun right now. And, like, you know, in a couple of years after you've had your fun, like, I don't want you to be with me, let's say, for a year or so, and then be like, I didn't have my fun.

[Mary]

Right, right, right.

[Courtney]

Go have your fun. And then if it is something that you want to pursue because you've realized that, then we can. I thought Michael's interview when he was talking about them like that feels like the complete opposite of what you've been doing.

[Mary]

I think Michael's would have been interested in exploring more with TJ if TJ had left the door open.

[Courtney]

Maybe. Yeah, maybe. Or maybe maybe he just doesn't know everything that he wants. Either he wants to have his cake and eat it, too.

[Mary]

Or ass.

[Courtney]

Oh, I was gonna say in the cake. DJs ass. Let's go back, because the safe word today is plantain. That means no drama. If drama is happening, the safe Word is plantain. What is a plantain? Shocking that they didn't know I would

[Mary]

be like, Joe Bradley. It's in the banana family. It's not actually a banana though. Also fried plantain. You can use it as almost like a bread. A fried plantain with bruschetta on it. Delish. In Colombia.

[Courtney]

I've had that. Wow, that sounds amazing. I've had like the caramelized versions which are like delicious. I, I think plantains are amazing. I, I love the plantain chip.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

So good. But you know Joe Brown, he knew that because he's cultured.

[Mary]

He's so sweet. He's. I like rooting for him. But then he says comments like he wants to be a stay at home dad and he just feels so lost with the business ventures. And I just feel like he has no direction. Like his dream is to open a bar, but it doesn't seem like you have the finances to open a bar. So how is this gonna work? I also don't think he should open a bar that has not been successful for Bravo stars in the past. I don't want another Shorts and Sandy situation for my Joey B for Joey bottles.

[Courtney]

Think that's just what he thinks should happen. I saw it happen on this that they got Tom Tom and that was successful. I don't think he wants to open a Schwartz and Sandy's. I think he wants Joey O's or whatever it's called that love is going to open. And he's the face of. Even though when Brad was like, yeah, I'm unclear of like, what Joe really wants to do by this point. He should have his own bar. Like he should. Is there like a work ethic that you guys are missing? Like, where has Joe shown that he could do all the workings of a bar? Or are you guys just saying he should be the face of a bar? It's very confusing to me that he's proving to Leva that he can sell tickets to Emo night and that should equate to having a bar. I feel like there's just a few steps missing and I'm trying to understand exactly why that's the route that he feels like he needs to be going into.

[Mary]

I just also think he should go the hair route, really commit to that. And there's so many things that you can do. Shampoo, conditioner, then you can do the hot tools with it, the hair sprays, all the treatment. I mean, there's a lot of different ways that you can go with that. And he has great hair and A face for it.

[Courtney]

And it would be the same thing as a bar, because he's only going to be the face of it.

[Mary]

Exactly.

[Courtney]

He's not doing the chemistry to make sure that these products are the right thing and that he's made sure that there's enough leave in conditioner to really penetrate the cuticle of the hair. Okay. He's gonna be doing exactly the same thing that he would be doing as the face of a bar, but he doesn't have to stay out late to be the face.

[Mary]

Completely. Completely.

[Courtney]

So it just seems that that could be the easier route.

[Mary]

I also. I'm very curious if Maddie. She must have a manager, right?

[Courtney]

Yes, we've seen him. That's who she was talking to that helped book Punta Cana.

[Mary]

I wonder if he goes like that route to management.

[Courtney]

I. I truly do think he has Maddie's best intentions for her DJ career. And I also thought we got a little bit more insight into that this week, because. Yes, but when she was also talking to Michaels about how nervous she was for the DJ gig, and she talks about her anxiety and what happened before, and it almost sounds like she was literally hospitalized. And I don't know if it was from the lies or a full. Like, a mental breakdown of some sort, but that she was nervous to do this again. And Joe had said, maddie has a lot of anxiety. So I, like, followed her to be her emotional support boyfriend, basically. And then into the spa. I was like, oh, we're getting a lot more of, like. It sounds like something really serious happened.

[Mary]

I mean, she has so many illnesses at the same time. She's like, I'm a recovering alcoholic. I have celiacs. I have ibs, I have gerd. And then she's worried about her fertility, and she's like, I have a history in my family. My mom was going to donate her eggs to her sister, and then they found out there was no eggs left. I bet next season we see maybe, like, the retrieval and that process. Yeah, I. I feel like Joe is a great partner. He's like, don't be stressed. Everything's gonna work out. And I'm with you because we're both on the same page. We both want to have kids. We both want to have a family. And the way that he spoke about them, like, his picturing their future, I want them to be endgame so bad. Do you think they're endgame?

[Courtney]

I do think that they could be. I really do think he's her biggest fan. And I think, as women, we should always, like, want our Partners to love us more than we love them. And I think this is a good example of that and think he's just sometimes just like, a doof. The birthday party was terrible because it's literally the thing she doesn't want to do. But I think he really wanted to, like, highlight her and celebrate her. He, like, wanted it to be this big, grandiose gesture because he loves Maddie Reese so much.

[Mary]

I know. He's so sweet.

[Courtney]

And I thought this. This massage spa moment was really sweet where he's like, it's going to be okay. But I did think that it was also telling from him, too. And he was like, well, I don't know if I would be with you if you didn't want a family. And it was honest. Like, that was so honest when she was like, no. And I understand that too. And so I think a lot of these things they maybe haven't really talked about because they are so young still. Like, she's what, 27?

[Mary]

Yeah, yeah, something like that.

[Courtney]

And he's 30, but he's also 30, thinking he's like, 50. Like, what am I doing with my life? You're literally on a show. Your job right now is this.

[Mary]

Show, job. Show.

[Courtney]

Job is show.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

So he's putting a lot of pressure on himself, which I then think puts pressure on Maddie, and then it's just this downhill snowball. Totally well.

[Mary]

And he's kind of riding off her coattails.

[Courtney]

Tell me more about.

[Mary]

He, I think, is nervous to take on his own career because that means he wouldn't be able to spend as much time with her.

[Courtney]

Oh, less time with Maddie if he's focusing on himself. Yes. But I think, honestly, I think absence would make the heart grow fonder. I think a little distance for them would actually do them well.

[Mary]

I think Maddie would welcome the distance with open arms.

[Courtney]

She wants him to be there for, like, important moments. But I think also she's like, let me miss you. Yes. Yes. Okay, let's take a break and come back. I want to talk about the ziplining.

[Mary]

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[Mary]

Welcome to Get Real, the show for the reality TV obsessed and stands of the Hulu verse. Find it wherever you get your podcast and stream new episodes Thursdays on Hulu and Hulu on Disney. The way that they panned to Emmy and her nervous tick of her hair. I was like, oh God. Oh my God. The twirling of the hair. Everyone knows that girl.

[Courtney]

Did you also notice at the dinner in the sky, she said, look how I am when I'm unmedicated. I was like, let's dive into that more. What couldn't you bring to the doctor? What medication are you not on right now?

[Mary]

No idea.

[Courtney]

Yep. Just want to pose the question. But back to the to the ziplining. Can somebody please send me the video? I know someone on this cast did a tik tok. I feel like you're just here for the zipline. Oh, I'm like, where is the TikTok? I know one of these cast members did it. I like to Brad and Joe were talking about after the zipline. Brad is obsessed with Julia. He wishes she could be there. He's so proud of her. She's doing nursing school. She's going to be this great mom. And I just thought, like, I'm so happy for Brad and Julia. When he came to the group and he said, I'm not kidding, Julia and I just broke up. This isn't a joke. I was like, she better pop out in the background. And this is all a ruse because I will actually be sad about this.

[Mary]

My heart dropped. I was genuinely shocked. I'm like, what happened? Something really bad must have happened. She clearly broke up with him. Like.

[Courtney]

Like it was Julia's doing. She ended it.

[Mary]

She found out something she didn't want to find out.

[Courtney]

I was like, oh my God, what's the rumor now? It was a peanut butter dick suck in the alley before. What's worse?

[Mary]

And then she shows up. Okay.

[Courtney]

And everyone's so excited. But then they show up late to the beach club and Emmy is pissed. She is so mad because she's like, oh, great. Last Time I saw her, she told me she never wanted to talk to me again. Fine. She goes, oh, Julia's here. Well, that's because Brad's a really good liar.

[Mary]

Well, the fact that she thought she'd be invited to the church is actually crazy. And we didn't even talk about the dinner in the sky. Could you do the dinner in the sky? Okay.

[Courtney]

I kept thinking, I want them to play, who do you trust the least? Because they can't go anywhere. This looks like zero fun to me personally. They're strapped in. They're literally putting bowls up to their face because they cannot eat because they're tightened in so much. That's not a fun activity for me. Could you do it?

[Mary]

I think I could do it. I wouldn't volunteer to do it.

[Courtney]

Yeah, sorry. Would you want to do it?

[Mary]

No, I would not want to do it because I would be the person that dropped the fork by accident.

[Courtney]

I think there is a drop zone underneath them, so I think it's probably okay. I don't think that there's, like, it's a sidewalk. I feel like it's probably space that they have, so. And maybe they have a little catch all around the area, too, just in case. But if I'm working there, I'm like that. Like, the woman, she was bungeed in. Like, in case she fell off the edge, she'd bungee back up. I was like, what the fuck? Like, this is insane. Okay.

[Mary]

The amount I think about people and their jobs, like, to me, the hardest job is like a doordash driver. You're going in and out of your car. You can't find parking. It just feels really stressful. But then the amount of time I think about the people that work at the airport, for you to physically get to your job at the airport, it must take an hour before. Do they get paid an hour ahead to go to their job.

[Courtney]

Right. Employee parking away from the airport. You probably have to shuttle in. Then you have to go through TSA to get to the other side. Then you have to walk the terminal to get to wherever it is that you're working. It is a process.

[Mary]

I think about that so much.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Courtney]

And so then you thought about this

[Mary]

job, too, and yes, Chocolate is taking risk every day by going to work.

[Courtney]

She's like. They're like, what do you do? She's like, technically, I'm a server, but it's a bungee jump server. Being a server is really hard, too. Okay. Like, she's on. She's like, not only am I On my feet. I am in the air. Like, I feel like she just kind of, like, jumps up and goes to the other side. Like, it's a whole thing. It feels dangerous.

[Mary]

It. It sure does. It sure does. Okay, but Molly confronts Emmy in the sky, and Emmy's like, what? I have no idea what you're talking about. I. I like you. Then we like Flash, and it's like, well, she doesn't like Molly because she was jealous that her, Molly, and Will would flirt, and it's so obvious. But, gosh, Emmy, she is just. She is Delulu. She just denies, denies, denies, and says whatever people want to hear so she can move on. It's crazy. Crazy.

[Courtney]

It's a skill set that she has.

[Mary]

Lying to get out of things, to

[Courtney]

deflect and then move on and then come back, though, and then, like, get herself in trouble. She is cuckoo bananas. Cuckoo, cuckoo plantain here. Emmy, there's a camera.

[Mary]

I know.

[Courtney]

What do you think's going to happen?

[Mary]

Her confessionals. Oh, my gosh. They really say it all because she's like, like, word vomiting.

[Courtney]

The reunion's going to be terrible for her. And I'm just like, is she going to make it down the aisle? Yes. A thousand.

[Mary]

A thousand percent. Will she make it back on next season? I don't know.

[Courtney]

I don't think we need her. Here's what I thought about the church. Emmy doesn't actually want to go to the church, but that's the A team of the cast. Joe, Maddie Michaels, TJ minus Michaels, but, like, the OGs of the cast. Then Lake. Lake probably should have been Emmy. And then, like, Brad didn't go because he was waiting for Julia. I was thinking, oh, that's the A team. So she's not pissed about not going to the church. She's pissed that that's not the group she was included in.

[Mary]

Yeah, to me, the church group was like. It was Michael's wanting to share this experience with them. So obviously he invited tj and I think he invited Joe because I assume Joe's Catholic because he's Italian. And then that makes sense because Maddie's going, and then Lake and him are good friends. That was.

[Courtney]

Yeah, the invite list made sense to me, but I think Emmy was looking at. From the perspective of the show.

[Mary]

Well, she's also on an island by herself with all these people on the beach drinking her smoothie. She knows none of them want to talk to her. Her. Her buddies are Lake. She thinks Michaels is her buddy. Nobody there wants to be around her.

[Courtney]

At the Bella Which Bella? Where you been, loca? Why do we have Bella on this cast and not give her any attention? She shows up, and I'm like, wait, what are you doing here? We don't even know you.

[Mary]

When I was taking the notes, I was like, what's that girl's name? I didn't know the girl's name. I'm like, who is she again? I was confused. Yeah, the car ride over was so silly. Joe Bradley's like, yeah, so, like, o' Sheen's showing up next. And Lake is like, oh, my God. She's genuinely scared, and she's still kind of denying the threesome. And Jo Bradley keep on talking about Lou. I'm obsessed with this. He's like, yeah, well, guess what? Denying doesn't work. I tried to do that with Lou, okay?

[Courtney]

I love when Lake was like, well, at least Lou was iconic. Oisin's not iconic. She's like, I'm denying it because I'm embarrassed.

[Mary]

And when Oisin said, I did a deep dive into the lake,

[Courtney]

like, stop trying to bring him back. Okay? We don't need him. But. Oh, God. And then at the same time, too, though, Michaels is trying to talk to his mom and get her on camera again. Michaels, it is a losing battle for you. She does not want to be on camera. You're just going to upset yourself so much.

[Mary]

And this breaks my heart. I think she should have been on camera because this is a special church to both of them and him just having one minute to share it with her. But. But I know you have a different opinion.

[Courtney]

She doesn't want to be on camera. I. You know, I. I hope at some point that they get to take a trip together without the cameras and experience this all. I think this has been such a cathartic trip for him, especially going to this church. I loved this scene. I love just the way that he's talking about how he experienced religion and how they used to go when he was younger and watching him cry in that church and TJ Coming over, I started crying.

[Mary]

Crying. I was feeling a lot of things in this moment because him talking about I would pray away the gay and just how he doesn't feel welcomed in the church and all these different things. And I'm just like, how could you not question your faith if. If they're telling you not to be yourself? But I hope that this has maybe, like, reignited something in his faith and that he perhaps wants to go back to church and feels like. Like he could be accepted when TJ Comforted him.

[Courtney]

It was like, you're back here in the church as who you are, and that has to feel like a weight lifted off your shoulders. He's like, there's nothing wrong with me. It's like, there is nothing wrong with you. A lot of people are saying, like, Michael's had that second season where he's, like, doing too much and he's like, that second season globe after having a good first season. But I actually think he's really teetering that line because he's being really raw and vulnerable with us. But then he's also like, I'm doing what I want to do. And it's just there's so much dichotomy of these characters of what they're doing that you can't help but root for people on this cast. Most of them just not one.

[Mary]

Right. I love Michaels. I think this was a very interesting story to share and very vulnerable. And I hope he's, like, getting what he wants out of it.

[Courtney]

100. And that's why I do love this show because they party, they go on these trips, but they also have these, like, moments of reflection and thought provoking conversations with each other. And they're navigating adulthood. And it's just, like, fun to watch.

[Mary]

And the fact that they're real friends. They are hanging out all the time. Like, TJ and Michaels actually work at Republic and they're bartending and they're managing that apartment complex. Mary also love it. Kind of made it seem like Brad wasn't really working there that much.

[Courtney]

Well, I think he's really focused on

[Mary]

his fitness body by Brad.

[Courtney]

Yeah. So I. I think they work there occasionally. They have to graduate at some point. Vanderpump Rules did the same thing. I think a lot of the younger ones are probably working there. And then as we probably will start to introduce more cast members as the show progresses into future seasons. I just think it's, like, kind of funny because I think Emmy's on this show hoping that, like, she'll be able to do her Bachelorettes. Like, nobody's offered to do that for her.

[Mary]

Do you think she'll get asked back?

[Courtney]

I don't think she should. I don't think we need her on the show. And I think even when we go next week where they zoom in on Emmy's pupils in the preview. But Brad has to have this conversation with you again. Emmy. It's not fair to Brad and it

[Mary]

feels like there was zero resolution from the reunion. So I would say she's gotta go.

[Courtney]

Yeah. And I think that that's a smart move. So Bye Emmy.

[Mary]

Bye, Emmy.

[Courtney]

Okay, let's take a break and then let's come back with Beverly Hills.

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[Mary]

Welcome to Get Real, the show for the reality TV obsessed and stands of the Hulu verse. Find it wherever you get your podcast and stream new episodes. Thursdays on Hulu and Hulu on Disney.

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[Mary]

What were we fighting about anymore?

[Courtney]

It is draining watching this. I'm so glad this episode was the last of the season. What do you think we need to do and what do you think will happen?

[Mary]

I think that we're not invested in anyone anymore. Like, we've kind of known these women for too long. You always say, like five seasons or whatever. Yep. It's just, I think Erica, it's run the course. I think Sutton has run the course. Kyle has run the course. Dorit, I was on her side the entire season, and I do think Kyle Richards had a plan and calling her erratic and having her soldiers do her work. But Dorit lost me at the reunion. She was so defensive and wasn't reflecting at all. So it was kind of exhausting to watch.

[Courtney]

I thought, though, with that was like Dorit's watched all these episodes. She's watching everyone talk shit on her. So she came and hot to the reunion, and should she probably have stayed a little bit more silent and let the women sit with their thoughts and what they had done? Yes. But she can't help herself. She cannot help herself. First off, too, Andy, at the end, he cheers to another 15 seasons. I was like, oh, God, none of this cast, I hope, put to a machatini ceremonial.

[Mary]

Great.

[Courtney]

Amanda asks for what everyone's manifesting. I'm like, you guys are obsessed with Amanda and you can't stand her. You're all obsessed with obsessed with her, and yet she's put on a thread. Someone was like, give her all the seasons. And she had responded like, why would I want to do that again?

[Mary]

But that's smart. Because she's basically saying, if I don't get asked back, I'm not going to do it.

[Courtney]

10, 10, 26. 10, 10, 26. But with Dorit and Erica and Kyle, it's like we are talking to brick walls. Nobody is letting their guard down. Erica started to towards the end a little bit, but it's like you guys are pretending you're not Kyle's minions and you're all at the top.

[Mary]

Right.

[Courtney]

And you're all together, except that you guys are all Kyle's minions. And whether you want to believe that or not, you always talk about how Kyle's the queen be of the show.

[Mary]

It was very interesting when Dorit said erica's afraid to go against Kyle because she's afraid she's going to get kicked off the show. And the way that Andy, Kyle and Kathy were laughing like, Kyle doesn't own this show, like, felt like overcompensating in a way. I feel like she does have power.

[Courtney]

I do, 100%. Now Dorit's like, I know that you. You don't have say of who gets kicked off because I get kicked off a long time ago. And I'm like, or Kyle keeps you on because you're a punching bag for her and it's easy to go against you. When it was the fox force five, you guys were all aligned. And then Dorit started slipping away from that. And this is the first season that it's been Dorit versus Kyle and Erica. Like, that alliance is done and Kyle is. She drives me nuts. Kyle, choose Elaine. You weren't her friend. You are her friend. You really do love her. No, you don't. No.

[Mary]

I mean, she doesn't want to be her friend. Erica said that line at the end. Erica says, you are fighting too hard for a friendship that doesn't exist. And that summed it up for me. You guys aren't friends. It's okay, I'm done.

[Courtney]

And at that point, it's like, we don't have to be friends and we don't have to be enemies. It's not one or the other. At this point, you guys can all co exist. Kind of like you were friends with Sutton, but you weren't, you know? And like, Sutton just feels like she's in such the cool girls group right now. She's like, guys, I'd even have a sip of alcohol at the reunion. That's crazy. You have to say that. That is a crazy statement that you have to make. Congrats. You didn't use alcohol as a crutch. Reevaluate.

[Mary]

I would like to see more of Sutton and Jennifer Tilly going on trips and spending a lot of money. And I want Jennifer to be a full time housewife next season. I think that would be really fun to watch, get more of her story because we've just gotten glimpses and I think we're ready for her to be promoted. I think that could help them a lot. I do predict next season Rachel Zo is going to come to Dorit's defense and it's going to become this really big deal. Kind of like Rachel versus Kyle.

[Courtney]

I agree with that. I think we'll probably try to find one of Rachel's friends to join the show because Natalie was a bust when they were talking to Sutton about, why did you room with Amanda? The list that she gave where I was like, this is crazy. She was like, well, Jennifer's a big movie star. She deserves her own room. Like, she's also a friend of Natalie. Didn't want to because she wants to masturbate the whole trip. Like, also a friend of you literally have two sisters that could room except one's the star of the show. And then I said, well, I guess I'll be the martyr. All room with Amanda. Like, what a giver I am. I'm like, sutton, you did it for the storyline. You knew you needed to use Amanda so that you guys could build a case for Amanda and dorit. Except for the fact that kyle and dorit and Erica were going to blow up. And you had no idea the storyline for italy was pit the two of them against each other, Dorit and Amanda. But dorit had other plans because she was like, f you. F you. F you. Actually, f all of you. Find your own ride back, losers.

[Mary]

I. I was kind of shocked to hear that she turned off the cameras.

[Courtney]

What is she supposed to do at that point? It's just her and production.

[Mary]

I would have maybe thought she probably made a phone call.

[Courtney]

Oh, yeah. I guess I was just saying, like, she's just sitting there by herself. Who's she calling? Bose? I don't know.

[Mary]

I think it's interesting. She turned off the cameras. Are you even allowed to do that?

[Courtney]

Obviously I would say no. Well, but they did.

[Mary]

Maybe they got a fine, though.

[Courtney]

You think dorit took a fine? She's poor.

[Mary]

I think she can't afford to do that. How that works.

[Courtney]

I also think too, that there is moments of humanity, and I would hope that when someone requests the cameras to be turned off that they respect their wishes. Like, yes, they're here for a job. But also, sometimes you need a moment. And I think there's a difference of understanding when a moment needs to be filmed and then when someone just needs a break.

[Mary]

I don't know if they're that gracious.

[Courtney]

Okay. Okay. I guess I. I guess I'm trying to see the good in people.

[Mary]

Also with like the bows and Amanda situation, Amanda won tenfold. I bows. I just felt like was lying.

[Courtney]

Why is she keep lying? And then every Friday she comes online after the episodes aired to give her rebuttal of what she said. And it's like both you did say those things. Why does Amanda bother you so much? She did. You did say those comments about the kids. Because I remember when she said it in the episode and we talked about it on this, because I said, I think that's weird. I think it's weird that she got so upset about that.

[Mary]

Bose and Dorit doubling down about the kids situation with really rubbed me the wrong way. I thought that was super strange. Bo's coming to Tequili's defense. She was like, no, no. He was saying his biggest fear is losing his income. Because that's what we were talking about. The question was biggest fears. And she completely defends him.

[Courtney]

For a CMO of a chief marketing officer, she does not market him well. And when she's like, who told me to have two weddings? Oh, my God. It's like, well, so you made your own choices. And I know that's she's being sarcastic about it. I feel like it's also part storyline.

[Mary]

Of course, that's for next season.

[Courtney]

Andy asked, are we gonna see the bachelor bachelorette party? And Sutton's like, I'll get the strippers. I'm like, oh, yeah, we saw how you reacted at Magic Mike. You are a changed woman now.

[Mary]

Okay. I was trying to think of, you know, could any people come back? Could any people be a housewife again? And, you know, a lot of people, like, talked about Lisa Rennie coming back, and Lisa Rena's like, I'll come back for $10 million.

[Courtney]

Like, pay the woman.

[Mary]

But that would honestly be so interesting because especially with Kyle, like, she would show all the cracks. They have to do something different with this cast.

[Courtney]

I think the problem is, is that we've been playing safe for so many years, which I think is why a lot of casual fans like this show. You have. For a lot of them, there is money, right? You see Kyle with money. Jennifer Tilly brings that. Sutton brings that. Bose has that. Rachel has that. Kathy Hilton, obviously. You know, even Amanda, the money queen here, it's like Duri and Erica are kind of the poor ones now, but even the lifestyle that they live, it's like the glitz and glamour and the fights go on for so long over a season, because it's like casual viewers might not tune in every week. They might pop in for an episode of Beverly Hills and then binge three. So you have to keep this storyline going. I think it's why it's so popular. But for the people like us who are watching this, looking at every detail, this is exhausting.

[Mary]

I'm so over it. Could Lisa Vanderpump come back?

[Courtney]

Kyle has brought Lisa Vanderpump up at least twice in this reunion, by the way. She's obsessed with her. I don't need Lisa Vanderpump back. To be honest, I think she would share as much as These women do, which is nothing. I feel like we need a new crop of women, and Kyle's not going anywhere. I don't. The problem is, is the cast isn't going anywhere.

[Mary]

Adrienne Maloof.

[Courtney]

God, no.

[Mary]

Brandi and Leann Rice. Times at the same time. Maybe Brandy. They wouldn't give her the job, though. She's.

[Courtney]

I don't think you could insure her. She feels like a liability.

[Mary]

She's a liability at this point because we had the whole Morocco situation that we're ever gonna see. Okay. Dina Manzo.

[Courtney]

Oh, you want to do a crossover? I think she's in Newport, though, so she'd probably be more OC. Would you want Heather debrow to come on? No, I know, I know. Would you want Cynthia to join? I think she's doing a good job in Atlanta.

[Mary]

I was thinking of Cynthia because, you know, I'd buy that more. Not opposed. Not opposed.

[Courtney]

I just think that there are so many rich women in la. Can you find Kathy's friends? Can we get some of Rachel's friends? These women are single, and we're not seeing them date. We're not seeing this, like, lifestyle that they should be living. We were. We were promised a hot girl summer, and we've moved to hot girl fall.

[Mary]

We didn't get any of it.

[Courtney]

We didn't get it. And I just feel like it's getting stale because we're rinse and repeating of the same things. And I just don't know where you go from here, except for the fact that I think you need to introduce a lot more people. And I. I don't know who you get rid of. I mean, you could get rid of most of them.

[Mary]

Well, okay. Next season, Kyle's thing will be that she's an empty nester, even though Sophia still is going to live with her.

[Courtney]

Did you see that Portia got into Boulder?

[Mary]

Yes, she's going to go to Boulder. Dorit's storyline will still be fighting with pk, maybe a man.

[Courtney]

What did you think about the Erika Dorit fight? About Erica wanting the old Dorit back and Dorit being like, how funny that when people fall, you don't want to be there for them, but you want the old Dorit when she was on top. Well, on top of something. Not the world, but I thought that was an interesting argument for Duri. That kind of made Erica go a little bit silent.

[Mary]

Yes. I mean, I think Erica yearns for their old friendship back in the Fox Force Five. And I think Erica and Dorit are gonna come Back together in the end. I think that would make an interesting story for Erica for next season.

[Courtney]

But Erica will never turn on Kyle.

[Mary]

Maybe she will.

[Courtney]

Truthfully, if you want something to happen on this show, you do have to get rid of Kyle. Because she sits on an upper echelon compared to all the women. She does seem to have this level of safety with the cast. Even the fact of like Kathy jumping in at the end to be like, dorit, you and Erica have been talking. But I see myself, sister, sitting there and I'm like, shut up, Kathy.

[Mary]

You hate Kathy though.

[Courtney]

I don't buy the act, okay? I watch Paris in love. I know the true Kathy. I don't know anybody. Kathy is scary to me.

[Mary]

They are all scared of her. Little Lisa Rinna kind of said it like she could blackball you from Beverly Hills.

[Courtney]

What happened at the Caribou Club?

[Mary]

We know what happened.

[Courtney]

I know. I think if you got rid of Kyle, the dynamics would change completely. Because who is the queen be? I just don't think that they will get rid of Kyle.

[Mary]

Never. And it's crazy. It's crazy.

[Courtney]

Do you think if Kyle left that the show could survive? Because I like the idea of Rachel and Kyle going at it. And I hope that that is what happens. And I do think that there is that trio of. Of Rachel, Bose and Dorit and there could be the trio of Erica, Kyle and Sutton. And if we wanted to get real and really push that, that could be interesting. But everyone is so surface on this show and we'll say one thing to your face and say something different in a confessional.

[Mary]

I think Kyle will definitely be around for one more season.

[Courtney]

Only one. And he gave him 15, which means Kyle's like, job secured.

[Mary]

I just wonder when she's gonna get tired of it. It feels exhausting.

[Courtney]

Yeah, but I think she's addicted to it.

[Mary]

She doesn't know anything else. She's been doing it for 15 years.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Cuz you. You've always said to Kyle she'll just want to go to Aspen. She just wants to like, retire out there. She'll leave the show. I'm like, no, she doesn't want to

[Mary]

see that in her future. Her leaving and on her own accord.

[Courtney]

What if we woke up tomorrow and there was a goodbye post? What would you do?

[Mary]

That's our next April Fool's joke.

[Courtney]

I can't remember that. Write it down somewhere. Put a reminder in the calendar so it'll pop up on April 1st. It's stale. And when I tried to watch this, I fell Asleep. The first time I did, I texted you. I was like, I don't even know what's going on. I fell asleep. I woke back up. Up. I started it over again. Then I was just texting you about other stuff. I go, oh, my God. I've been watching this for 20 minutes. I have to rewind it. I have even been paying attention. And then when I watched it a third time, I just was like, I don't even know what's going on.

[Mary]

It was the same fight over and over. It was. It was a season wrapped up into one episode for me. Literally.

[Courtney]

I'm like, we didn't even get into, like, the Sedona thing. They mentioned a thing about Sutton being four hours late to the dinner. I'm like, we didn't even break into that. We're just gonna focus on Durie. I did like, that Andy at least was like. Like, with all due, aren't you always late? She's like, thank you.

[Mary]

Not today. Did you notice I was second to last?

[Courtney]

But it wasn't last. It wasn't last, but it's like, it's stale. We're not fighting about. We didn't touch on a lot of things that probably should have been touched on, but they think this is what we want.

[Mary]

We gotta get some new women.

[Courtney]

We gotta get some new women. Not will they. Do you want them to come back? Let's go through the cast. Jennifer Tilly.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Full time. Okay. Sutton?

[Mary]

No.

[Courtney]

Amanda.

[Mary]

No.

[Courtney]

Erica.

[Mary]

Yes. That's with a huge.

[Courtney]

She's. To share her relationship.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Okay.

[Mary]

Kyle? No. But yes.

[Courtney]

No. No. This is your. It's not who will come back. Do you want them back? No. Yes.

[Mary]

The final season.

[Courtney]

Okay. You want a goodbye. You want a farewell season for her? A swan song for Kyle Richards. Okay. Yes. Durie.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Bose.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Rachel.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Kathy. Yes. Natalie, the Jack off queen.

[Mary]

No.

[Courtney]

Imagine coming on as you think, a friend of and everyone knows you, forgetting a happy ending and bringing a vibrator to Italy.

[Mary]

I know. They really played that up. And then Sutton's like, well, she's not here, so it doesn't matter. Okay, let me go through it for you both.

[Courtney]

No Kyle, No.

[Mary]

Dorit.

[Courtney]

Yes.

[Mary]

Rachel.

[Courtney]

Yes.

[Mary]

Sutton, nor Erica. Yes. Amanda.

[Courtney]

Yes. She could come back. Bose can come back if Amanda comes back. Because I. This feud is so stupid. I guess I just don't care about Bose's storyline with Keely. And I know it's her life.

[Mary]

Life.

[Courtney]

I do recognize it's her life. And she's, like, getting married. I guess I just don't care about the relationship to watch the whole season be her wedding.

[Mary]

Right, Right.

[Courtney]

So that's like. Like come like skip a season and come back. I like bows but I don't care about Keely and so I don't need all the events for it. I want a mother daughter trip of her and Lael going around the world. You know how she does every birthday for Lael they go somewhere and Lael presents a PowerPoint of where they're gonna go. I would love to watch that and I would love to of them go to a new country and experience like that would be a really fun show for me to watch.

[Mary]

You want a travel show?

[Courtney]

Yes.

[Mary]

Okay. Jennifer, you got. You got sidetracked. Sorry.

[Courtney]

That happens.

[Mary]

And I know the answer for this one. Kathy.

[Courtney]

No. So I have four people left out of this. I think we need a reboot. A revamp camp. Not a full reboot. I just think that we should focus on Rachel's friends. I think until Kyle goes, unless Rachel takes her on next season, I feel like that's her only formidable enemy.

[Mary]

That's what I want to see. So that's why I want them to stay.

[Courtney]

So okay. And a farewell season to Kyle Richards.

[Mary]

I tried to like her.

[Courtney]

I know. You did your best. You did your best. Everyone have a fantastic weekend. We will see you next week. Ciao baby.

[Mary]

Bye. We're lost. It feels like we're going round in circles. I'm gonna ask that man for directions. Hi there. We're trying to get to the state fairgrounds.

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[Courtney]

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[Courtney]

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[Mary]

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[Mary]

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