TJG: Southern Hospitality S4 E4!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Judgey Girls – Southern Hospitality S4 E4!

Host(s): Courtney (in LA) & Mary (in the Bay)
Date: March 26, 2026
Episode Theme:
A lively discussion of Southern Hospitality Season 4, Episode 4, featuring the podcast’s annual March Madness reality TV bracket finale, plus deep dives into the ongoing drama among the show’s cast—highlighting friendships, betrayals, and an unexpectedly serious focus on addiction and support.

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Main Episode Theme

The hosts break down the final round of their annual “March Madness” Bravo-lebrity bracket, celebrate direct engagement with reality stars, and provide an in-depth, humor-laced yet thoughtful recap and analysis of Southern Hospitality S4E4. The episode starts light with bracket banter and behind-the-scenes content creation stories before shifting to a more serious tone addressing Grace Lily’s struggle with addiction, followed by sharp commentary on cast relationships, drama, and key moments from the show.

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1. March Madness Bracket Finale (03:43–14:15)

Key Points:

• Finalists: Wes Wilson vs. Rob Roush
• Hosts’ Perspective:
  • Courtney gushes over Wes’s participation and social media engagement.
  • Mary discusses the challenge of making a visually balanced, “fair” Instagram slideshow for both finalists.
  • Court and Mary joke about the potential for AI editing, privacy issues, and old fan jokes about their own Instagram follower goals.

Notable Quotes:

• “I made Wes, you know, and it’s like, will he hang the banner? He’s a horse whisperer, animal lover...he can class it up or he can take it off. Did you guys see those abs? He’s got abs.” – Mary (05:40)
• “It’s not always about the number. It’s really about the engagement.” – Courtney on followers (09:18)

Memorable Moments:

• Courtney is accused by Mary of creating a fake AI image of the finalists together (04:47).
• Mary’s comically thorough Rob Roush Google search history: “Rob Roush hot, Rob Roush overalls, Rob Roush shirtless…” (12:31).

Timestamps:

• Bracket showdown celebration and logistics: 03:43–10:00
• Social media, fan engagement, and stories about followers: 09:00–10:34

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2. Content Creation Behind the Scenes (05:34–14:15)

• Mary: Struggles with picking and balancing finalist “slides” for Instagram stories, aiming for equality and fun.
• Courtney: Creates a “TikTok-ish” video edit for the finals, reinforcing playful rivalry.
• Bubbly, self-deprecating banter about “objectifying men respectfully,” managing screenshots, and content storage.

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3. Southern Hospitality S4E4 Deep Dive

A. The Bobbing for Cucumbers Game (19:41–25:34)

• Hosts Break Down the Game:

  • Dissect strategy (“My strategy would be head first, suck in the cucumber…” – Courtney, 20:20).
  • Share post-pandemic hygiene horror at the premise (“Honestly, post-Covid, this is so disgusting to me…” – Mary, 21:00).
  • Analyze Grace Lily’s refusal and its religious subtext.

• Molly and Jordan’s Relationship Revelations:

  • The hosts track real-time hookups using cast answers and phone calendars (22:44–23:33).
  • Dissect Mia and Jordan’s reactions to Justin, noting “baby mama drama without the baby” (25:13).

B. Group Bonds and Fractures (25:36–34:37)

• Lake’s Loyalty:
  • Her “team Emmy” answer causes group confusion; the hosts see her as the naive younger sister of the group (26:31).
• Lake’s Family Dynamics:
  • Sadness over Lake’s father distancing himself because she spoke openly about relationships with women. Mary hopes for reconciliation on camera, paralleling Michael’s story (27:10).

C. Grace Lily’s Addiction Journey (31:43–37:44)

• Heavy, Real-Life Turn:

  • Maddie’s struggle supporting Grace.
  • The cast’s compassionate, sometimes conflicted responses to addiction.
  • Discussion of Bravo’s history (or lack thereof) in covering addiction stories openly.

• Grace’s On-Camera Vulnerability:

  • Taking her journey public to create accountability (35:26), and admitting to ketamine therapy’s slippery path to abuse.
  • “She was so vulnerable, and I really hope, you know, she can get to the other side. Because this is tough, and it’s a disease. She has an addiction.” – Mary (35:52)
  • “You can tell she’s just so hurting. And there was something just about the way where she was like, I know what I’m doing is wrong. I know I can quit because I’ve done it before. But then something pulls me back in, and I get triggered.” – Courtney (36:13)

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4. Back to the Show: Republic, Emmy, and Microaggressions

Republic Backstage Logistics (39:56–40:36)

• The hosts overanalyze logistics—where’s the backstage at Republic?

Emmy’s Partner Power Dynamics & Hypocrisy (41:00–45:27)

• Fiancé “Power Move”:
  • “There’s certain people that love to use words like fiancé, husband...I feel like she tries to do it as a power move.” – Mary (41:00)
• Courtney: Sees Emmy as acting for the cameras, changing her demeanor based on her fiancé’s presence.
• Mary: Wonders if Emmy will be forced to quit the show when married due to Will’s controlling behavior.

Lake, Michael, and Resolving Conflict (44:38–46:12)

• Lake caught between friends, struggles with the fallout from Folly Beach and misunderstanding about microaggressions.

Emmy’s Microaggression Meltdown (46:26–49:28)

• Emmy caught on a hot mic, becomes defensive, and exposes her own blindspot regarding race and sensitivity.

• The hosts express concern about Emmy’s emotional stability and lack of understanding (“She thinks it’s a stereotype…” – Mary, 48:04).

• “I’m actually glad that production is shining a light on her of who she really is.” – Courtney (48:21)

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5. Relationship Status, Living Situations, and Future Speculation (49:28–end)

• Is Emmy living with Will? Probably not, since Will's in law school. The hosts riff on Bravo engagement-speak and joke about fictional ceremonies.
• Final moments: Hope that next week’s episode will be lighter and feature “bobbing for pickles” (50:27–50:34).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “We are the winners. All of us participating in this are the winners. We had great candidates this year.” – Courtney (08:38)
• “My strategy would be head first, I’m going to the side. I’m probably going to try to like suck in the cucumber in my mouth and then I’m going to clamp down on it and chomp and pick it up.” – Courtney on game tactics (20:20)
• “Post-Covid, this is so disgusting to me on so many levels...” – Mary (21:00)
• “I want to commend Grace Lily for talking about it on this show.” – Courtney (37:37)
• “She doesn’t even know what a microaggression is...At this point, just bring your phone out and Google it.” – Courtney (48:04–48:18)

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Key Timestamps

• Bracket Finals / Social recap: 03:43–14:15
• Cucumber game & relationships: 19:41–26:31
• Lake’s family / Addiction storyline begins: 27:10–37:44
• Republic, Emmy, microaggressions: 39:56–49:28
• End banter/wrap: 50:09–end

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Episode Tone & Style

• Warm, sharply witty, conversational—hosts share humorous asides and candid opinions.
• Unflinching when discussing addiction, but keep the mood accessible with self-aware, pop-culture-laced humor.
• Frequent tongue-in-cheek acknowledgment of Bravo’s reality-television-ness.

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For Listeners

If you missed the episode, expect a thorough rundown of the social media games and group dynamics surrounding Southern Hospitality’s latest drama—plus the Two Judgey Girls’ trademark blend of irreverent commentary and unexpected emotional depth. The episode is equally a love letter to Bravo fandom, a circle of respectful “objectification,” and a safe space for calling out problematic cast behavior.

Transcript

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[Courtney]

it's Courtney from la. And it's the finals, baby. We've reached it. We started one week ago and here we are in the finals.

[Mary]

It's so exciting. Especially exciting because something big just happened. Courtney, do you want to say it?

[Courtney]

Our finals are down to West Wilson against Rob Roush. Now, as we've said, Wes has sent us photos. He's always a participant. We love that he reposted, did the final poll for voting on his story and now Rob has reposted. Does he know what he reposted? Unclear.

[Mary]

But I love that on the final day we reached Rob and it was all because of his competitor, West Wilson. We start noticing where the polls are going, we start organizing things for today. And Courtney sends me a photo and it's west and Rob and I'm like, did you make this?

[Courtney]

Mary literally thought I did. AI

[Mary]

is this AI? I'm like, courtney, we can't put this up. This is strange that you would do this.

[Courtney]

You thought I was like creeping like hardcore, like trying to make it look like they were together. Were you questioning my sanity at this point? What the heck?

[Mary]

I was like, I don't think we should put a photo where they're together when they weren't together. And she's like, no, they're at an event. And I'm like, like today. I'm so confused. The on this is wild. But no, there's from like 2024. There's quite a few photos of them together at different events.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary]

So silly. It's so amazing. But you guys, Courtney made a super fun tick tock ish video today.

[Courtney]

Some might Call it an Instagram reel. And Mary did the stories.

[Mary]

Felt very stressful because west had sent so many photos, so I wanted to honor that. And I made 11 slides, two on each. I was like, they're going to each get 22 photos. So first I made Wes, you know, and it's like, will he hang the banner? He's a horse whisperer. He's an animal lover, a college athlete turned sports reporter. He will always root for you, and he'll make you laugh. He's got a bold style. He's the life of the party. He has a tender side, but he can class it up or he can take it off. Did you guys see those abs? He's got abs.

[Courtney]

I know.

[Mary]

Will Wes Wilson be the winner, or is it Rob? Will he hang the banner? Also, the hang the banner thing makes me giggle so hard because it was Dylan Efron that started that. So we just gotta keep that one going.

[Courtney]

We could make banners.

[Mary]

I feel like we have to make the banner. And actually, Michael has an idea for the banner.

[Courtney]

Love to hear that. Okay. The inception has happened.

[Mary]

It has. It has. All right, but okay. Rob, from the island to the castle. He's very versatile. He's a country boy. He's leading a quiet life. He's got the brains and the beauty. Some people call him a snake, but he knows how to make it right. And that's what the Birkin ladies. He put overalls back on the mat. He's a daredevil, and his smile could melt your heart. Will Rob be your 20, 26 pick? It's a tough, tough choice. And it's just so exciting that we got a hold of Rob today. It really is.

[Courtney]

Like, again, does he know what it is? It doesn't matter. Wood can go to our page and be like, why are 11 slides of me? Perhaps? I hope that Wes has been like, no, no. The girls are nice. They're nice. It's just a silly competition. Don't worry about it.

[Mary]

It's just. It's so, so exciting that it's just like.

[Courtney]

It's.

[Mary]

I do feel like we have very great timing in life. I think we do.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Just general I, I, I. We've got a hold of Dylan last year, you know, now we've gotten a hold of Rob.

[Courtney]

Yeah, yeah. Now, right as we are recording, west is winning. So I do wonder if he will take it all. I wonder that now Rob has reposted the story. If people will go and try to see what's going on, and he'll get a little Push in votes. It's really anyone's game. The video that I had made too was kind of like, they're. They're kind of similar. They take similar photos. For me, I was like, I would just love a first class ticket to Paris Eiffel Tower to see it lit up with them, you perv. But I think it would just really fun to go international with them. We are the winners. All of us participating in this are the winners. We had great candidates this year. I'm so sad that it's over. Tomorrow when we talk Beverly Hills, we will have our winner that you guys all voted on. It's exciting.

[Mary]

I'm so, so excited. And Rob has 1.9 million Instagram followers. West has 400,000. So, I mean, what if there's this crazy push right now? We don't know.

[Courtney]

It's not always about the number. It's really about the engagement. As people who have been stuck around that 300,000 mark for about six years now.

[Mary]

Remember when it was 10k by Labor Day?

[Courtney]

And there have been some of you that have been with us since then, and we love you so much this year. This competition has felt really fun with participation. I think with people just being, like, entertained by it. I will say a lot of the bracket did not go how I would have wanted to go because I think the top 64 itself was a great 64. I felt like we had a lot of participation from a lot of the men, and I feel like we were all, you know, respectfully objectifying them. Sometimes I wonder, like, is there a chat that the guys are having with each other along the lines, Reza Jackson said, like, oh, Amir texted me about, I didn't even see these DMS from you guys. And I was laughing, being like, what a silly thing. And sometimes I just feel like when there's a lot of darkness that's going around in the world, that having something like this to take your attention away is hopefully a means of enjoying yourself and having fun completely.

[Mary]

It sounds like your fantasy as a group chat about March Madness with all top 64 I.

[Courtney]

So you guys are probably wondering why you're here today. It's for my. My enjoyment. So good, you guys. If there's any extra photos you'd like to send for my private album, please let me know. Literally, if something bad were to happen to me and my phone, the amount of screenshots that are. Because I'm saving them so I can post them on our stories. But it's like, to try to explain to somebody who has no Idea what March Madness is.

[Mary]

Imagine you might need a hidden album.

[Courtney]

Can only be unlocked by my face.

[Mary]

I'm, like, in the mortuary with.

[Courtney]

With your id, like, lifting my eyebrows.

[Mary]

I gotta get this shit off her phone, you guys. I do that for you.

[Courtney]

She told me to wipe it. I gotta do it. Guys. Like, I. It's literally like. It's. There's years. Because. Do I ever delete anything either? No, I just buy more gigabytes or whatever.

[Mary]

That's it.

[Courtney]

Yes, that is. Well, Apple, you got me.

[Mary]

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[Courtney]

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[Mary]

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[Courtney]

March Madness. You were going for Wes. Now that Rob has acknowledged, does it change things for you? Because as you were reading through your stories, you were getting redder and redder.

[Mary]

Okay, I voted for West.

[Courtney]

Okay.

[Mary]

But I will say I really enjoyed my time making that PowerPoint. I was searching high and low, far and wide for Rob's photos because.

[Courtney]

What were your Google searches?

[Mary]

Rob Roush hot Rob Roush overalls, Rob Roche suit, shirtless Rob Roche models.

[Courtney]

He had, like, one.

[Mary]

He had this amazing GQ article. I. I didn't read the words, but obviously not.

[Courtney]

We're visual learners. We like pictures. We prefer picture book for Charlie, of course.

[Mary]

Duh. But I. I had a great time. Maybe I spent too long on that because I was enjoying it so much. Right.

[Courtney]

No, I get. Believe me, I get it.

[Mary]

I can justify why I picked each and every photo on every single slide in the finale because Wes sent every single photo I used. But I wanted Rob to match Wes's energy as the final pick. So they both had to be wearing black. I had to be straight on. I feel like I did it very unbiased.

[Courtney]

I think you did a great job.

[Mary]

It's a hard job, but I'm willing to do it.

[Courtney]

Someone has to do it. Thank you for your service. You sacrificed a lot for this, and I just want to say thank you. Thank you, Mary. Do you know that Alanis Morissette song that I butchered?

[Mary]

I know that Alanis Morissette song, but I didn't compute that together.

[Courtney]

Sorry about that. When she's, like, naked walking around and she's got the hair over her boobs very long.

[Mary]

Thank you. No.

[Courtney]

Yeah. No, that was it.

[Mary]

Okay. Today. Okay. So it's the end of the road. Okay.

[Courtney]

We're catching words.

[Mary]

Let you Go.

[Courtney]

It's a natural. That was my song in middle school. For all the middle school dances, the teachers would play it and they would get up on the stage next to the DJ and sway with it and then tell us, get the out, get out, get out.

[Mary]

And now you go to the bar and it's the last song. Is always closing time semisonic.

[Courtney]

But the crazy thing is, is like these days, I'm not at there at the end of the night.

[Mary]

I wish I was.

[Courtney]

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[Courtney]

How you say cucumber? Unfortunately, I haven't bobbed for cucumbers. I was never a fan of bobbing for apples. I don't know that I need to be putting my mouth in everybody else's mouth, especially on cucumbers that have been in Michael's and TJ's pants.

[Mary]

Okay, honestly, I felt like there was a little bit of cheating going on.

[Courtney]

Tell me.

[Mary]

Because I feel like you need to have the cucumber come from the, the, the bottom or the top not biting in to the middle, which it seems like a lot of people's strategy. And that felt like cheating to me.

[Courtney]

So I would think it'd be harder to get it from the middle than from the side. And really remember we're talk bobbing for cucumbers here in a PG version. But to me, my strategy would be head first, I'm going to the side. I'm probably going to try to like suck in the cucumber in my mouth and then I'm going to clamp down on it and chomp and pick it up and Bob that way getting it in the middle seems more difficult. Pg, you perv. I'm giving you a strategy.

[Mary]

The strategy, the sucking that would be definitely worked.

[Courtney]

But you have to be taking in water.

[Mary]

Honestly, like post Covid, this is so disgusting to me on so many levels. Everyone spits in there. I mean, I respected Grace Lily's choice not to do this.

[Courtney]

So I don't think that Grace Lily was doing because she was like grossed out by it. But I think it's because she's a woman of God and it was too like, phallic for her to be insinuating. Maybe like some sort of oral pleasure.

[Mary]

She only gets on her knees for God.

[Courtney]

Right, right, right. Because she and she relates to him so much because he was a human. But the game was also like, nobody's playing this game correctly. The game is either truce or Bob for cucumbers. Like, if you answered the question, you didn't have to Bob yet. Multiple people answered the question and bobbed like TJ was the only one who kind of played it correctly. Except that he told us his answer in the confessional. It' I. I can't keep up with these kids.

[Mary]

16 months, guys. 16 months.

[Courtney]

I'm not going to tell you. I'm just going to go ahead and Bob. And then he's like, so here's the real answer. I'm Like, I just. You should have just said it at that point. Maybe you didn't want to say it in front of Michael's. They're vibing this season.

[Mary]

Oh, okay.

[Courtney]

Well, they made out it. They made out last week. And then next week on the vacation, they, like, go into a room together, so something's going on there.

[Mary]

Okay. Okay. That's okay with me.

[Courtney]

Okay.

[Mary]

I also thought it was very funny that I didn't realize that the people are answering the question and still bobbying for apples. Like, I thought that was all part of the game, but you're so right. And they were so all honest. Molly's like, I hooked up with my ex literally today.

[Courtney]

Well, my favorite part about that, though, she said they asked when she said Wednesday. And then Maddie looks at her phone's like, wait, today's Wednesday. Let's bobbin. Then they ask Jordan, hey, Jordan, when did you last have sex with Justin? She says, Thursday. So that's been six days. Because we're able to use the calendar based on Molly's answers and Jordan's answers. So it's been six days. But I'm also like, well, when was that follies trip? Because she busted in the door on a Saturday. So has it been 10 days since that party, or is she just. Just given us a little wink and a nod because she knows about Mia and maybe she's trying to hide something because Mia's question was, then, did you say yes to a date with Justin? And for some reason, I want to keep calling him Justin Bobby.

[Mary]

Oh, sure.

[Courtney]

Like, he kind of gives me those vibes a little bit.

[Mary]

Eyes. The eyes.

[Courtney]

It just, like, the whole demeanor of him is giving very Justin Bobby. Like, I could see Justin wearing combat boots to the beach, definitely.

[Mary]

But Justin Bobby was more mysterious. This Justin lays it all out. There he is hunting for the women of Charleston.

[Courtney]

How did he end up with Charlie? He tells us on the show he doesn't like labels. He loves a good overlap. He's got Jordan. He's pursuing Mia, and then he meets Charlie, and his entire world changes.

[Mary]

I do not see them together at all because I feel like she was such, like, Miss Prim and Proper on the show. Wouldn't even kiss Craig on camera. And then, I mean, Justin feels spicy. And I mean, he literally says everything openly. It just feels like. So I guess opposites attract.

[Courtney]

Truly, Truly. But, you know, Mia says she's like, I said yes to going on a date with Justin. He was going to take me to my favorite restaurant, Marble and Finn. What an Interesting name is. And is that 11 restaurant? Should we be talking about those other restaurants on this show? But, you know, she's like, that was my favorite place. And Jordan's like, that's my favorite place. And Mia's like, oh, God. She's like, anyways, point being, did not want to go out with him because I thought I have to sit across from him and realize I'm not into this man. It was just a hot guy asking me out. It's.

[Mary]

It's actually. It's called Marbled and Finn. It's a modern steakhouse from the neighborhood dining group.

[Courtney]

Okay, so surf and turf, then Marbled steak and then fin from, like, a tuna fin, maybe. Right? Surf and turf. That's what we're going with. Mia tells us too. It's like, this feels like baby mama drama without the baby. Like, I don't want to be a part of this. She's just broken up with Troy. She wants to have a hot girl. Summer. She is. Does not want to be involved in this.

[Mary]

Not at all. Not at all. Yes.

[Courtney]

Then it's Lake's turn, and they ask Lake, are you team Brad or are you team Emmy?

[Mary]

She says, she's team Emmy.

[Courtney]

Me.

[Mary]

And everyone's like, oh, do you remember?

[Courtney]

Were you at the Follies?

[Mary]

Yeah. Do you not remember? But I think she just feels super rejected by Brad and the overlapping and maybe a bit embarrassed by that. And obviously, her and Emmy have become good friends.

[Courtney]

I think he's also not thinking about the situation that happened between Brad and Emmy. And she was looking at like, oh, are you more Brad's friend? Are you more Emmy's friend? That's what I took from that, because I don't understand how you can be Team Emmy in that situation. So I'm trying to give her an out. Lake feels so young to me within this group. She just gives me such younger sister vibes here and a little immaturity when

[Mary]

her mom is calling her, asking her if she's drank water. That was very silly. And then it was come sad to find out about her dad and hers relationship. You know, he just feels like she has disrespected the family. He's very embarrassed by her talking about her relationships with women and sharing her story last season. And it's just a sad story to hear. And I. I'm really hoping that we get to see the full evolution of this story, and at the end, they could come to a better place. Almost reminiscent of the Michael story as well from last season.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I mean, I felt Bad for, like, talking to her mom, because I almost felt like her mom was making excuses for her dad. Like, well, you know, he's dramatic. That's where you get it from. You get to decide what kind of relationship you want with your dad, and so does he with you. And I'm like, whoa, whoa. Actually, he should always just be a present parent. Like, that's a harsh reality. In truth, not comforting.

[Mary]

No, not at all.

[Courtney]

I hope that her mom can also maybe speak some sense into him of, like, please don't abandon your daughter. Like, she obviously loves you very much, and don't change the relationship because of who she may fall in love with.

[Mary]

I feel like we're gonna get her dad on camera this season, and they're gonna have a great talk and a powerful bravo moment.

[Courtney]

But let's get back. Back to the bobbin. So they say, grace, it's your turn. And she's like, no, I'm not comfortable doing this. No. And they're like, like, okay, fine. Whatever, Grace. And then it turns into Maddie's turn, and Grace is like, guys, I've got a question. And she just wants to embarrass Maddie. Have you Joe in the ass? He likes it in the butt, right? Everyone's like, wait, what? She's like, I thought TJ and Joe hooked up. That's what TJ Said. And nobody really knows how to respond to this because, like, is she trying to be funny? And now she's bringing up, like, clearly what was an awkward moment last season.

[Mary]

Is she high and with TJ in the room? I mean, this has been such a point of contention and are really hard on everyone's relationship. So to just be, like, throwing that in his face, what felt very disrespectful. And then she's clearly trying to hurt Maddie because she's mad about the pajamas, even though she literally wore lingerie.

[Courtney]

And also, it's not Maddie's party. You know, I think obviously, we got a lot of insight into Grace this week, and I think a lot of her relationship with Mad. And so I think she just really relies on Maddie. And they say, you know, the people that you're closest to are tend to be the ones that you hurt the most. And it just was, like, really telling here. But Mia stands up right away for Maddie and tj, and it's just like, you know what? You've gone way too far. This is not okay. Like, I can't believe you said that. You, like, need to apologize. TJ Even says to In a confessional, I've never talked to Grace about this. Grace is playing telephone with herself. She's watching the show telling herself something else happened because that's not even what the whole thing was. We got a flashback to last season and Mia's like, this is why nobody's friends with you.

[Mary]

No, Mia was laying into her. She's like, don't do that. Get out of my face. You have to get out of here. Molly's like, get out.

[Courtney]

Leave.

[Mary]

And the way that Grace just couldn't find her phone leaving, the comedic timing on this, them all, like shuffling through the couch.

[Courtney]

How long do you think it really took her to leave?

[Mary]

I think we saw it.

[Courtney]

No, I think it was longer. I think they edited it down. I feel like it was like 20 minutes of her, like gathering her stuff because it was like all over the place. And then her, like slowly walking, maybe waiting for someone to say, no, no, don't leave. Like, Lake's crying into the couch. Like, it's girls night.

[Mary]

The way that this apartment is so small too. Like there's like 15 people in there and everyone watching her walk out, it was just something that was hilarious about it.

[Courtney]

Like, I was waiting for like the curb your enthusiasm music to like hit like. Like, you know, because it was like, what is happening? She's like, okay, yeah, like, I understand. And then I forgot she was wearing those slippers.

[Mary]

Where did she get them from?

[Courtney]

We still don't know. I mean, at that point too, it's like Maddie is so. She's in such a rock and a hard place with Grace because she wants to be there for her. The next day, she's sitting with Joe and they're talking about the night before. And Maddie, who is sober now and has been through a lot of this, can see all these signs with Grace and feels a responsibility. And when she was in her confessional and admits to wanting to be there for someone who has paused substance abuse, at first I was like, oh, wow. She's like outing this. That was shocking. Especially what we know now too, with these two arrests that have happened.

[Mary]

I almost feel like they should have shown her going to meet up with the sober coach before we saw this Maddie and Joe conversation. But I. I guess it's just maybe something that's been going around, something they had to acknowledge at this point. And it's really sad. I mean, it's. I was trying to think in Bravo history, if we've had someone actually head on face their addiction and wasn't like forced into it. Like, the only person that came to mind was Jax Taylor, and he was forced to go for the show. But has there been anyone else that has openly talked about Bronwyn?

[Courtney]

But I would think within drug abuse? Not that I can think of off the top of my head, minus Jax, as you mentioned. But I think having this meeting with the sober coach, that was actually one of the first times where I was like, oh. Because I don't know that I always love to see these storylines. It feels a little that we're, like, seeing something maybe we shouldn't be. But there was also something so vulnerable for her to say, like, just listening to Grace explain her situation. When Maddie said it, I was. I was very surprised by it because it felt like, okay, because, you know, she, like, outed TJ's DUI when she was talking about the PowerPoint and stuff. And I was like, oh, my God. So having that scene with Grace, it really did feel like a powerful, like, episode because Maddie is so stuck in this place right now where she's like, I'm afraid if I get rid of my relationship with Grace and something bad happens, I could have done something. I don't want to miss that phone call. I am able to understand where she's at. It consumes her with worrying about Grace. Lily, so often.

[Mary]

Yeah. I mean, she can relate the most. She has a lot of empathy. Grace has proved time and time again that she hasn't been a great friend to her. And I can understand, understand Maddie wanting to walk away at this point, just take a break, because it's consuming so much of her. Even though she has empathy and can relate.

[Courtney]

Well, and too is Grace tells us. And I'm assuming that Joe probably knows too, because Maddie has shared this with Joe, her partner. But Grace says Maddie really is the only person in this group who knows what I'm going through now. I think there's, like, people are suspecting things because Brad mentions it, like, later in the episode. And I feel like it was almost this unspoken thing where we're not talk about it on camera and we just hope that Grace figures out whatever it is. And I'm sure there's rumors out there. And obviously, as mentioned, is like, she's had these two arrests. So, like, people know, but Grace hasn't spoken to any of them about it. But it does feel like a weight on Maddie's shoulder because she is the only person that Grace has talked to about this.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

And so while she wants to be there, it's just. It's is an extreme amount of responsibility that Maddie is taking on. And you have to feel bad because she wants so badly to help her. And at some point, you can only help people who want to be helped. Grace going to the sobriety coach, I felt, you know, her taking us along, and I think she just had such a level of honesty where she was talking about this. You know, she's laughing and smiling because she's nervous, and, I mean, it's on camera. She hasn't talked to her parents about this, so I think she's giving herself a level of accountability to say, if I put this on camera and it makes it to air, everyone's gonna know, and maybe this is a way that I can help myself stay clean.

[Mary]

Well, and I think she's really scared right now because she lost a friend that used the same batch. Basically, two years ago, she started using ketamine she was prescribed. It sounds like now doing it more on a recreational level.

[Courtney]

Sounds like she was doing ketamine therapy, kind of what the Mormon wives were talking about. And I think we saw Adriana did it. I think Julia went with her Miami. So it sounds like she was doing that and then started abusing that prescription.

[Mary]

The way that she was like, you know, I want to get married. I want to have kids, but right now I have this addiction, and I feel trapped in my own body. I. She was so vulnerable, and I really hope, you know, she can get to the other side, because this is tough, and it's a disease. She has an addiction.

[Courtney]

She's in that interview, and she's like, oh, my God, I'm finally admitting to this, like, in this interview, and crying, and you almost. I was like, God, I would love for a producer to just go give her a hug right now. It's almost that documentary style where they have to, like, stay away from it and let the moment happen. But you can tell she's just so hurting. And there was something just about the way where she was like, I know what I'm doing is wrong. I know I can quit because I've done it before. But then something pulls me back in, and I get triggered. You know, he started talking to her about, like, hey, like, life comes in waves, which was crazy, too, because what a relation to Wavy Baby. And the understanding that she has. You just want the best for her. And I think it's just a extra level of sadness for me, seeing these arrests two and three months. I. I'm just sad for.

[Mary]

Do. Do you think that she will go to the reunion?

[Courtney]

I don't know.

[Mary]

I'm also wondering how much more of the show she's going to be on right now. Like, yeah, I feel like there's definitely a disconnect. Like, does she go away for a little bit? I'm not sure. Is she gonna come to the reunion? I don't know.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Well, because the, the coach says I'm here to like, provide paths for you and I think the best path for you would probably be like a 30 day inpatient. And I think for her it's like she's admitted it now and now she's like, okay, that's the next step I have to do. But that's a big step to take.

[Mary]

Right?

[Courtney]

Like, it is is scary. And I just, I want to commend Grace Lily for talking about it on this show.

[Mary]

Yes, of course. No, but this was a heavy episode. Should we take a break and talk about Republic?

[Courtney]

Yes.

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[Courtney]

So they're doing a Sunday Republic, and I don't know if you noticed, but they were talking about it in the back, and they were like, okay, let's get ready. And then they, like, walk out, but then they walk in through the front door of Republic. Like, where is this office? Oh,

[Mary]

I didn't catch that detail, but

[Courtney]

that's a good question. Well, I assumed it was in Republic. It was the back office of Republic, but then I'm thinking, is the place next door a leva place? And they share a back room, this bright blue back room that we see them take meetings and get ready and have tough conversations in. Like, where is it located?

[Mary]

I, I don't know. I'm not sure.

[Courtney]

I thought too hard about this. Okay, Brad tells us. So there was this influencer event at one of the bars in Charleston. Brad and Julia go, Emmy is there. Everything's great. We're saying hi. We're moving forward with our friendship. Except that her fiance comes. I, I feel like a word quota of how many times we're allowed to say Will.

[Mary]

There's certain people that love to use words like fiance, husband. I have said the word husband. I'm not kidding you. Like, a handful of times, like, you're Michael. You know what I mean? I feel like she tries to do it as, like, a power move.

[Courtney]

Of course. Like, like, of course. Have you seen tv? Emmy is all about power. Will comes in and then she stops talking to them. Brad, that needs to be a sign for you that everything Emmy is doing is for the show. Because if they can't have a conversation off camera with you to move forward of your relationship where you were supposedly going to be a groomsman, then that needs to tell you where you lie with Emmy. And it should be stay very far away from her because she is not a safe space for you.

[Mary]

I'm actually shocked Will showed up to this event because he knows that people from Republic are going to be there, and he's doing everything in his power to, I feel like, stay out of the limelight. It also made me think about, is Will going to make Emmy quit the show when they're married? I feel like he has so much power over her, and this is a direct example of that because she will act cool to Brad if Will's not around. As soon as she shows up, she gets in line. So it makes me think. I, I, I'm curious about how long she has on the show.

[Courtney]

But what's funny about that is I don't actually think it's Will's decision. I think Emmy's like, I want to stay on the show, so I have to have a decent relationship. But how she actually feels is the way that Will feels. And so when the cameras are there or she says hi to them, as soon as, like, Will's. There's like, oh, I don't need you guys anymore. I'm gonna go back over here. Because she's just trying to think, Think, keep things cool for on camera.

[Mary]

She's also scared that they will ruin

[Courtney]

her life because the fact that she's FaceTiming with Justin, I'm like, well, this is a producer setup. Why would these two ever be on FaceTime together? It's almost like she's giving him a rundown of how the show works. Didn't it feel that way where she's like, all you have to say is sorry, because that's all they want to hear. It doesn't really matter if you mean it or not. Like, why are you telling him this? Unless you're trying to say, here's how reality TV works. Like, that man's been on three other shows. Shows, I think so. How a reality TV show works.

[Mary]

Yeah. I like to watch Emmy because she's unhinged.

[Courtney]

Well. And to fast forward a little bit. Like, Brad has this event where he's talking about his business and he's taking it on the road. It sounds like he's doing these run clubs in different parts of the nation, and he's hosting it at another one of Leva's event spaces. It only holds 93 people, so even if it was packed, it's less than a hundred. It's like, when Emmy says that, I'm like, this is why nobody likes you.

[Mary]

She's tough. She's tough.

[Courtney]

She's really tough. And it's just, to me, is like, Emmy, everything you do on this show, cameras are there. Like, what do you think's gonna happen? How are you pleading your case that you're a good person? I mean, she had a full breakdown last year. Like, I am a good person. Are you? Is she?

[Mary]

No, no. She. She's a wackadoodle.

[Courtney]

And faking panic attacks. Ex. Potentially, yeah. And the only person she seemingly has on her side is Lake. And Michaels and Lake are trying to have a conversation earlier in the day. This is, like, goes with my theory, too, that they all live in the same apartment building. Like, I feel like they just Came downstairs because there was no purse on her. It was just a cell phone. So I'm like, she just like took the stairs down a level, right, to get to Michael's.

[Mary]

Yes, yes.

[Courtney]

I'm like, I'm convinced. But so Michaels is like, hey, I want to talk to you. I want to talk to you about everything that happened at Folly Beach. Especially happened last night when you said that you were team Emmy and not team Brad and Lake's. Like, I thought I co signed when you said it was a microaggression. I guess maybe I should have gone a little bit further. But then she's also defending like, well, I don't like Brad because of what happened with mine and his relationship. And so that's why I think she wasn't thinking about Brad against Emmy, was more thinking about who she's closer to on the cast. I didn't understand what she had to tell us that she read books. I was like, wait, we're like missing the situation here. All Michael's is saying is that Brad thought that you maybe would have backed him up.

[Mary]

Yeah, I mean, it was nice of Michael let her know what was going on. And she was very passionate about this. I mean, she's like, I would never co sign the microaggression, but I, I'm friends with Emmy.

[Courtney]

After the body by Brad event, he, Joe Bradley is going to throw him a party at Republic. It's like, you're working later. Michael's gave us the schedule. We know, but sure, it could be for Brad. And she's like, I want to pull Brad aside. I want to have a conversation with him. I thought this was like a really healthy conversation for the two of them to have because whether they're friends or not, she does have an understanding from what Michael said and was like, I want to talk to Brad directly. I think she was trying to like, nip it in the bud and just have no beef between us. Like, we don't have to be friends, but I do want you to know I understand where you're coming from.

[Mary]

As Joe Bradley interrupts to brush his hair.

[Courtney]

When he calls it his mid shift haircut, I'm like, what are you cutting? That's a comb. And then Emmy pops into and is like, whoops, sorry. As they're talking about Emmy.

[Mary]

Oh. And then she loses it. And the footage on this is wild because she doesn't realize she's on camera and she is livid. Are they on crack? Are they on crack? A microaggression. She doesn't even know what One is.

[Courtney]

But not only that, the amount of. Of defending of Emmy that they actually do in the conversation with each other. Brad says, I don't think Emmy's a racist. They're, like, giving her space here. Lake says, I'll do my best to educate Emmy because she's my friend. And Brad's like, you don't have to do anything. I'm gonna have a conversation with her. It's no big deal. I don't think she's racist. I don't think any of that. For Emmy to go off and then actually prove the opposite of their point, it's like, she is dangerous. And I think that Brad and I think Lake needs to stay as far away from her as possible.

[Mary]

Dean, her reaction to this said it all. And Justin's like, well, you really minimized his experience, so that's exactly what we're trying to say here. And then her in the confessional trying to explain what a microaggression is, and she clearly doesn't know. Yes, I do know what that means. Basically, it's when you make a micro and subjective assumption of someone based off you who, you know, like, women are bad drivers. So she thinks it's a stereotype, but,

[Courtney]

like, more towards, like, people that you don't know. Like, at this point, just bring your phone out and Google it.

[Mary]

Absolutely. That would have been smart. Time to use that chat.

[Courtney]

Gbt, Emmy, you've done yourself zero favors. And you know what? I'm actually glad that, like, production is shining a light on her of who she, like, really is. I honestly don't know, like, what is going on with Emmy.

[Mary]

I think she's very scared that she's being labeled as a racist right now, and she's trying to convince everyone she's not.

[Courtney]

When Justin was like, well, you said you were scared, and she was like, that's because he said, like, I'm done with you, too. So, yeah, the two is in response to repeating what was said. Like, how are you not getting it was my fiance? It's like, Emmy, you making a bigger scene is literally just leaning into the things that were said that they defended that you weren't.

[Mary]

I know it's not a good look.

[Courtney]

It's not. And it's just. I don't. I guess what I'm saying is, like, what's going on with her is. Everything is heightened with her. Like, she flies off the handle so fast. She cries so fast. What's going on at home with Will? Like, does she think that she's coming off well? Like, I'm like, what is happening?

[Mary]

Think do her and Will live together?

[Courtney]

I don't believe so because Will's still in law school, Right. Did he come to go that influencer event when he was visiting back for a weekend or something? He's still. He hasn't finished, right?

[Mary]

I'm not sure. It wasn't sure if he graduated. I feel like we would know if he graduated because she'd be telling us all about it. Yeah, that's true.

[Courtney]

Here's what I'm wearing to the graduation. He was top of his class. You know, the. The engaged and Mary folk, they have their own ceremony, so I got to go to that. Then we have like what's called the Mrs. Party that us that are going to be or already are, like, we all hang out. It's like a sorority.

[Mary]

Oh, man. Oh, man.

[Courtney]

So I think when he's back in town, he stays at Emmys, but I don't think that they're living together.

[Mary]

I think. I think you're right.

[Courtney]

In that same apartment complex that I've made up in my head.

[Mary]

Sure.

[Courtney]

It's like that show the Circle and they're all in the same place.

[Mary]

It is a small town. I hope next week's a little bit lighter and we could bob for pickles.

[Courtney]

Watch out for the vinegar in your eyes. Oh, gosh. Well, until then, we'll see you tomorrow. Tomorrow we'll have a March Madness champ.

[Mary]

So exciting. Bye.

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