TJG: Southern Hospitality S4 E8 + E9!

Summary

Two Judgey Girls: Southern Hospitality S4 E8 + E9!

Hosts: Courtney (from LA) & Mary (from the Bay)
Date: April 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

Courtney and Mary dive deep into episodes 8 and 9 of Southern Hospitality Season 4, exploring cast dynamics, recent drama stirring on social media, and the unfolding storylines around the show's signature parties and relationships. They also catch up on Summer House news and speculate on crossovers with other Bravo shows. The tone is light, sarcastic, and supportive—a hallmark of the podcast's "judgey, but loving" banter.

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Catching Up: Life Updates & Summer House Gossip

Start: 03:25

• Friendly Banter: Courtney and Mary reminisce about a recent night out and joke about martini limits, referencing Dorinda’s famous quip ("Martinis are like breasts. Is that what Dorinda said?" - Courtney, 04:03).
• Mary’s Son, Charlie: Mary shares a cute anecdote about her son adapting to life post-vacation and his ongoing "island time" behavior.
• Summer House Drama (07:21): Quick review of the latest updates, including Amanda, Wes, Kyle, and Lindsay. Speculation about added confessionals to address ongoing scandals.
  • “I'm glad they're picking up cameras because we can't watch a season where we're watching their separation and being like, I wonder why.” (Courtney, 08:05)

Notable Quotes:

• "It's given me purpose. It's giving me life. It's keeping me going right now." – Mary on ongoing Summer House drama (04:52)
• “You gotta butter those rolls while you can.” – Courtney, on baby Charlie’s growth (07:17)

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Relationship Drama & Reunion Speculation

08:59 – 12:21

• Mia, Wes, Carl: Mia received a text from Wes apologizing for involving her in the drama.

• Dara, KJ, Levi, and Bailey: Court and Mary discuss rumors that Dara is with KJ “for the fame,” but express skepticism and support for the couple.

  • “I'm personally rooting for KJ and Dara. I think they're a very sweet couple.” – Mary (11:35)
  • “We have to believe in love.” – Courtney (12:10)

• Joe & Maddie Birthday Surprise: Courtney and Mary break down the odd booze cruise pirate party that Joe organized for Maddie.

  • “If my boyfriend, for my birthday, where I was like, ‘I don't wanna do anything,’ was like, ‘why don't I do a surprise party of a booze cruise where everyone dresses up in a pirate costume for my girlfriend who's sober, and I forget the costume,’ I do have to wonder, what are we doing here?” – Courtney (12:34)
  • They riff on Maddie’s immediate reaction and compare it to Bethenny Frankel’s iconic birthday meltdown.

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Southern Hospitality Hot Takes

Emo Night & Leva as the “LVP”

16:00 – 17:52

• Joe’s Emo Night: Did he sell 400 tickets? What’s the real capacity of Republic? Is Leva pulling strings for the good of the club, or should she back off?
• Leva & Grace Lily’s Sitdown: A surprisingly touching moment—praise for Leva's empathy but sadness knowing Grace has since been arrested (“Leva, I think, handled it with Grace. She was like… is it the healthiest space for you to be back in the clubbing nightlife right now, but still giving her an opportunity.” – Mary, 17:21)

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Party Dynamics & Messy Conflicts

26:03 – 31:47

• Lake vs. Mia: Court and Mary find the beef incomprehensible (“Is anyone team Lake? What is this? This is a one-sided beef.” – Courtney, 26:19)
• Emmy's Storylines & Microaggressions: Emmy continues problematic behavior—misrepresenting events, microaggressions, and refusing to acknowledge harm caused to Brad.
  • “Production hates Emmy. The most of the cast hates her. I'm pretty sure most of the audience can't stand her either.” – Courtney (27:52)
  • Screenshots of Emmy’s long, defensive texts are discussed; the hosts call for her to educate herself and take accountability.

Memorable Quotes:

• "She just does not understand. She's completely selfish. She doesn't understand how damaging to Brad's reputation this is." – Mary (30:53)
• “You're also a fucking fun sponge. Like, there's no fun with you.” – Courtney, on Emmy (38:06)

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Cameos, Crossovers, and Franchise Chatter

31:47 – 33:25

• Exes and Guest Stars: The hosts note appearances by Ally (James’s ex), Charlie (now connecting with Justin), and Sally.
• Should Southern Charm & Hospitality Cross Over? Mary and Courtney pitch back-to-back episodes as the ultimate Bravo block.
  • “What if you just did like a two hour block back to back? Southern, hot. Southern Charmed, hospitality... We’re graduating to the next.” – Courtney (32:47)

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Dominican Republic Trip & Michaels/TJ Flirtation

33:25 – 36:26

• Michaels & TJ: Michaels is playing the field, but TJ may have deeper feelings. Banter about Michaels being kicked off Grindr and working brand deals.
  • “He is in his second season where he’s feeling himself.” – Courtney (35:54)
  • “He looks fantastic on Watch What Happens Live. He looks great in these photos. I mean, he's the face of Men's Warehouse.” – Mary (35:58)

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Emmy Fatigue & Calls for Accountability

36:33 – 42:41

• Michaels Confronting Emmy: Attempting to resolve things before the group trip, recognizing Emmy drains the vibe (“She literally, like, sucks the fun out of him. Just puts him in a negative space.” – Mary, 36:33)
• No Path Forward: Hosts agree Emmy is too toxic for the show unless she takes meaningful steps toward change and repair with Brad.
  • “If I was Brad... I would never forgive her... she doesn't deserve to be forgiven unless she sincerely, like, worked at educating herself.” – Mary (41:55)
  • “There's no path forward for me with Emmy.” – Courtney (42:25)

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Highlights & Joyful Moments

39:50 – 41:14

• Lightness Amid Drama: Mia’s "ugly" wig at Emo Party, Brad’s collection of “emo” and “berries and cream” wigs, and playful dressing up for themed events.
  • “They were having a blast for that. I want to just have fun.” – Courtney (40:02)
• Anticipation for Reunion: Both hosts gear up for a fiery, first-ever non-clubhouse reunion.
  • “He commented on whoever posted about it and was like, I never saw these texts before the reunion. I'm so glad I had the energy I did at the reunion. Like, I now definitely don't feel bad about how I reacted, which, I'm like, oh, this reunion's gonna be good.” – Courtney (41:01)

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Closing Thoughts

42:41 – End

• Looking Ahead: Both hosts are enthusiastic about the future episodes, hopeful Maddie and Joe make it down the aisle (with Maddie as wedding DJ!), and revel in the strong personalities and narratives Southern Hospitality offers.
• Final Funny Visual: Maddie sleeping on Joe on a plane in a "burrowing rabbit/fetal position," as Courtney describes it (43:03).

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Notable Quotes Recap

• “You gotta butter those rolls while you can.” — Courtney, on savoring her son's baby chub (07:17)
• “Production hates Emmy.” – Courtney (27:52)
• “I'm personally rooting for KJ and Dara.” – Mary (11:35)
• "You're also a fucking fun sponge." – Courtney (38:06)
• “What are we doing here?” – Courtney, on Joe’s chaotic birthday planning (12:34)
• “They were having a blast for that. I want to just have fun.” – Courtney (40:02)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:25: Hosts return after ads and catch up
• 07:21: Summer House Scandal and New Confessionals
• 09:01: Gossip on Mia, Wes, Carl
• 09:43: Dara/KJ and “fame-hunting” rumors
• 12:21: Joe & Maddie’s Pirate Cruise Disaster
• 16:00: Emo Night & Republic drama
• 17:52: Leva & Grace Lily’s career talk
• 26:03: Lake vs. Mia; Emmy’s microaggressions
• 31:47: Cameos, crossovers, and franchise future
• 33:25: Dominican Republic trip/Michaels & TJ
• 36:33: Emmy’s toxic storylines
• 39:50: Joyful moments: wigs, costume parties, fun banter
• 41:01: Reunion preview and Brad’s perspective
• 43:03: Airplane antics—Maddie and Joe
• End: Sign off and final thoughts

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Summary prepared for listeners who missed the episode: Let the Judgey banter, Bravo scoops, and piquant reality TV takes fill you in on all the Charleston chaos and more.

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[Mary]

Welcome back to two Judgy Girls.

This is Mary from the Bay and

[Courtney]

it's Courtney from la. How you doing today? It's Thursday.

[Mary]

I am tired. How are you? You. You went out last night for a bit. Didn't. Yeah, I got.

[Courtney]

I got wild, you guys. No, I didn't. Yeah, I met up with some friends. Gabbed friend of the pod. Hannah Brown. Hannah Aaron Brown. Not to be confused with the other Hannah Browns. Sure, sure. That was very fun. Had some teenies.

[Mary]

Lovely. One or two.

[Courtney]

I pluralized it.

[Mary]

Oh. But three, not three, right? That's too much.

[Courtney]

Absolutely not. Martinis are like breasts. Is that what Dorinda said?

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Do you think Dorinda still follows that rule? I don't think she's followed that rule since season seven.

[Mary]

We'll see that in the golden life. If she follow, I'm gonna guess no. I feel like she might try to rein it in for that just because she had that pause. Oh, well.

[Courtney]

But she hasn't been paused by E. To be fair.

[Mary]

She's like, I got a clean slate. I went to confession. I'm good. I did my 10 Hail Marys, three Our Fathers.

[Courtney]

I'm still laughing about that. Okay, per usual, let's go over the summer house stuff that's happened since yesterday. Was wondering, will this ever die down?

[Mary]

You know what, Courtney? I hope it doesn't because it's given me purpose. It's giving me life. It's keeping me going right now.

[Courtney]

Yeah, not your son. Not your adorable son. It is summer house like, yeah, he's cute. I have to tell you guys, Mary sent a video of her walking with Charlie yesterday, and Charlie still thinks he's at Bahama on vacay

[Mary]

at Baja Mar. We didn't strap him into the stroller one time. It just felt like, you know, we're on island time. Like, we. He needs to be free. Yeah.

And.

But in the city streets, we gotta strap him down. He kept on in Baja Mar, like, putting his feet on top of the holder and, like, one leg out. And that has translated to city life. And I sent a video yesterday. I'm like, baby, we don't have the cabana anymore.

[Courtney]

Okay, Maybe there is no plane.

[Mary]

The cabanas are over. Put your feet down. We're in the city.

[Courtney]

When you were on island time, and it was no shirt, no shoes, no problem. Now it's an issue. Now it's an issue. You and your grip socks, you little baby. We gotta put them down. See? Off to Pilates.

[Mary]

Yeah, well, I mean, you know, he slips. You gotta have the grippies.

[Courtney]

I understand. He's pulling himself. That kid is strong, you guys. He is still wrong. Be strong.

[Mary]

I think he's gonna have abs soon.

[Courtney]

The core work is wild.

[Mary]

We posted, like, one photo of Charlie and Michael with the cabana backdrop, and people were like, you aren't joking about Charlie's size. Why? I. Why would I. Like, I have to buy 2T. He's not even a year. Like, why would I lie about that?

[Courtney]

I don't want to be buying more material for the clothing like you want him to be in nine months clothes.

[Mary]

I would have a lot more if. If you could fit into it. We go to the doctor on Monday. So he'll get weight. I. I think he's like 23 pounds. He hasn't gained that much since the last one. Because I think he was 21 at the last one. He's just getting stronger. I actually said this to my sister. I feel like that's the chunkiest he's ever gonna be, because now he's gonna start, like, losing the weight because he's moving so much. So, like, that was kind of going to be like, the fattest I'll ever be. Like, the rolliest.

[Courtney]

It's gonna miss it.

[Mary]

I am.

[Courtney]

Oh, you gotta butter those rolls while you can.

[Mary]

I know, I know.

[Courtney]

Okay. Speaking of in the city, when you're in the city. So yesterday there was this woman from the unscripted department who said that they picked up cameras for a scene for in the City to address the scandal now people are like up in arms about this because Sierra's obviously not in this city. And I'm confused because I think people think it's going to be Amanda and Wes that are in the scene. And I'm like, it's gotta be reaction, right? From Kyle, from Lindsay.

[Mary]

I'm just thinking they need to add in new confessionals so that people are talking about it because it's kind of, we know the end of that story so people have to address it. Yeah.

[Courtney]

I'm glad they're picking up cameras because we can't watch a season where we're watching their separation and being like, I wonder why.

[Mary]

Well, and like, what happens after? We already know what happens. She started sleeping with Wes Wilson.

[Courtney]

Hopefully it's a December, January thing that we want to stick with here on the timeline. It's very nerve wracking. What are we gonna see? The 19th? It's creeping.

[Mary]

It's around the corner. We're almost in May.

[Courtney]

I mean, literally tomorrow. Mm. It's gonna be May and Courtney's birthday

[Mary]

on Tuesday, May 5, around the corner.

[Courtney]

But don't worry, of course we'll be here to talk summer house. You think I take the day off for my birthday when summer house is on that day? It's like, that's the birthday gift. It truly is like a summer house. Tuesday, Taco Tuesday, Cinco de Mayo, my birthday. It's like, okay, if I must.

[Mary]

It's gonna be a blast. Yeah.

[Courtney]

So Mia was interviewed too, that Mia said that a couple of days ago that Wes ended up texting her, kind of apologizing for her being in this mess. It's kind of funny. Like, okay, honestly, it's like, I'd like to be in the mess.

[Mary]

Carl is a mess.

[Courtney]

Yeah, Carl's a mess. We're in the mix. I thought that was a kind of him to text her and say that. But then I was thinking, like, I mean, she didn't have to talk about it. But then I started thinking, well, why would he apologize for that September date?

[Mary]

Yeah, I, I, I can. We just gotta get to this reunion at the end of the day.

[Courtney]

Just take us to the reunion or like leak something.

[Mary]

I also heard that like Levi, Bailey and Dara go at it at the reunion. And Levi was talking in an interview and Lindsay and Bailey said that they, they think that Dara is with KJ for the fame. And Levi co signed that as well. And this hurt my heart. He wrote Dara a poem the other day and posted it on the Internet. I mean, they've been going out for over a year at this point or almost a year.

[Courtney]

I think they're at like eight or nine months. But I'm like, Dara's really playing the long game by being like, well, maybe I'll hitch my ride to a newbie and hopefully he's popular with the audience and then they like him so they'll like me. We don't even know enough about Dara now. I do think part of that conversation from Lindsay housewarming party, part of that seemingly got cut out. Like, I feel like we saw that there was going to be more of a back and forth. So maybe there's something that happens there because we had to like, move on from that because obviously other things are happening. I don't think she's with KJ for clout or else.

[Mary]

Wow.

[Courtney]

The long game.

[Mary]

I. I refuse to believe it.

[Courtney]

I also think people are being weird about Derek's. I mean, she's literally given us nothing. Like, not given us nothing, but she just hasn't been featured. And all she's been featured is as a nice partner. Obviously there was like the drama that was happening with Bailey and Levi, but we didn't even get that much. And maybe she's telling a different story from that first weekend where she was single and could also talk to the other single guys and see who she vibes with more, even though Ben clearly wasn't single. I don't know. I just think, like, Dara's getting a bad rap right now and I'm. I'm unclear why. I don't. I don't get why people aren't enjoying her or liking her. I don't think she's given us enough to have an opinion. Just like I don't think Levi has given us enough. And I want her to return for a season too.

[Mary]

I am personally rooting for KJ and Dara. I think they're a very sweet couple. They seem very much in love and they've stuck together off camera from literally September until now. And exactly like you said, like, they didn't know how he was going to be perceived by the audience or anything like that. So there has to be something there, right?

[Courtney]

They were just on this really cute vacation for KJ's birthday in Mexico. Like, let guys, I think maybe we're being too cynical. We have to believe in love.

[Mary]

We do, Courtney.

[Courtney]

We do have to believe. We have to believe that there are a few good men.

[Mary]

And you know what love I really believe in.

[Courtney]

I hope you're not gonna say Joe And Maddie.

[Mary]

I am. I am. He's looking for rings. What do you think? You don't think they're gonna last?

[Courtney]

Here's the thing. I saw them at Coachell and they were lovely and they're very in love. I hope it works out for them. But if my boyfriend. For my birthday, where I was like, I don't wanna do anything. Was like, why don't I do a surprise party of a booze cruise where everyone dresses up in a pirate costume for my girlfriend who's sober, and I forget the costume, I do have to wonder, what are we doing here?

[Mary]

Okay, now I feel like on the day of, she was like, oh, I'm so tired. So much has been going on. We just had emo night. Like, I can't wait for a day of just relaxing, romantic lunch, a little kayak. And then she gets to this boat and is like, are you kidding me? This is the last thing I want to do today. It was actually shocking, her reaction so fast. Like, if someone surprised me with anything, I would just put it on. Like, she immediately was like, I don't want to do this.

[Courtney]

It made me think of Bethany. Remember when j. When Jason Hoppy did that birthday for her? And Was it her 40th? I think it was her 40th. And she had like a full breakdown in the background. Like, didn't. Didn't that give you the same, like, a similar. Where she just was like, no, no, no, no, no. Like, I did not want to see any of these people. And maybe it was like, if we were going to be filming on my birthday, I just wanted something between the two of us. And now I have to deal these people. And it's like, okay, fine, I'll turn it on. Like, hey, guys, there you all are. And then being like, so where is my costume? And him being, oh, it's in the truck, Joe. But he said, But I didn't let the balloon, though. I know.

[Mary]

The balloons coming back to it was just so hysterical.

[Courtney]

How did you get to the boat, by the way? Who drove them to the boat? Did they take an Uber? Like, Maddie can drive. She doesn't drink. So is it not Joe's truck? Is it back in. Can we go back to the truck? Is it parked there or did Maddie drive us?

[Mary]

I think Joe was driving. He drove over, but he left it. And they were already on the water. They were already out to sea.

[Courtney]

Oh, my.

[Mary]

They couldn't go back for it.

[Courtney]

Yeah, go back.

[Mary]

Courtney. Courtney. He'd never actually even had it in the car. He Forgot. He didn't even buy a pirate costume. Did he wear a pirate costume?

[Courtney]

No, he was wearing a DJ Matty Reese shirt. He was wearing the white version because at his birthday, at emo night last, he was wearing the gray version. I was like, joe, you're playing this whole emo night, and you wear a T shirt and, like, cargo shorts. You put some eyeliner on and your hair forward. But, like, you didn't even go full theme for your own birthday.

[Mary]

And you got ready in the back of Republic with your brother.

[Courtney]

Like, why Brother Michael Bradley, come to the stage, sir.

[Mary]

A year older.

[Courtney]

He lives in Chicago. We know he's single because he's like, maybe I'll be like, you and Maddie. I'll find my Maddie. I'm like, move to Charleston.

[Mary]

They seem like they have a really cute relationship. They're. They're not Irish twins. They're Italian twins.

[Courtney]

I feel like Joe was trying to sabotage him with the eyeliner.

[Sarah Gibson Tuttle]

Oh, you.

[Mary]

You think he didn't want him to look good for emo?

[Courtney]

He's trying to make him.

[Mary]

He was.

[Courtney]

He wanted him to be the Ugo brother. Okay, but why were they getting ready in Republic? I was like, then we go to emo night, and there's a full green room there.

[Mary]

And, Courtney, you asked a very good question on Threads. Did he end up selling the 400 tickets? What do you think?

[Courtney]

It didn't look like there were 400 people there.

[Mary]

I mean, Leva did say it looks like he did a really great job. However, he took business from Republic because of this. Like, that's not really what I was wanting from him.

[Courtney]

But also, like, how big is Republic? This is a music venue where, like, a DJ would come and play across the street from Republic. Was there an after party at Republic? Her wanting it to be at Republic, which. I'm sorry, it looks like it holds 100 people at Republic. I. I just don't know why she would do emo night there. It also feels like this was still a stop on emo night's tour around the country. They had already booked the venue.

[Mary]

I'd. I'd agree with that.

[Courtney]

So I don't know with, like, Leva and then Leva being there, I just don't need her.

[Mary]

She's not as bad as lvp. I actually loved Leva's sit down with Grace Lily this week. I thought that was, like, a really sweet moment. I mean, Grace Lilly just thinking she could easily slide back into that job. And Leva, I think, handled it with Grace. She was like, you know, Grace the

[Courtney]

person or Grace the feeling?

[Experian Announcer]

Feeling.

[Mary]

And I think she's like, you know, I think we need to make you the moment. Everyone needs to have a Grace experience. Like, maybe you could come to Zachary's Daiquiris and you could do your tarot cards. Like, I'm wondering if it's the healthiest space for you to be back in the clubbing nightlife right now, but still giving her an opportunity. I also was really, like, happy to see, you know, 30 days sober, she seems like, to have her head on her shoulders and, like, working. So it was a nice moment for me to see.

[Courtney]

I. I did like that moment. I agree. Except that we know that she's been arrested twice since, which makes me a little sad for her also. What made me sad too, is like, Leva started talking about all the events that the cast is doing, and Grace was like, I wasn't invited to that. Oh, I wasn't invited to that Grace. But it's okay. You have the support of the audience. Everyone wants to be wavy, baby.

[Mary]

Well, and she recently they did a Southern hospitality, like, press thing in New York, and she was there with Michaels doing interview use. So that makes me happy as well.

[Courtney]

I think it was a. They did the reunion and then they did some press. Is that what it was? So she. So she was at the reunion? Yeah.

[Mary]

Okay, so we're moving forward. We're in a great spot.

[Courtney]

I. I agree. Okay, let's take a break and then let's break down some things that happened with Emo Night.

[Mary]

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We had a lot going on because Lake was there with her doppelganger who she was hooking up with the. Then we. We still have Mia and Lake fighting and I. Are you team Mia or team Lake?

[Courtney]

Is anyone team Lake? What is like, this is a one sided beef. I can't even remember the first issue because this week they talk about it where they're like, okay, so Lake is mad because Mia went on a date and kissed Justin. But Lake, who knows Oin from previous the milk guy, he has a girlfriend. She hooked up with him with her doppelganger. They had a threesome and she's mad at Mia for a date for no reason. What's the beef?

[Mary]

This is so, so messy. I mean, I can't wait to see when someone confronts her about this situation. I felt like she really showed her age at emo night because at first she was like, no, Mia, I'm not gonna talk to you. Like, I'm having fun at emo night. And she shut her down and then she just like ran back over to her and started yelling at me and I was like, what? What switched in your brain so fast? Lake is having a tough, tough season. And for her to be like, aligning with Emmy, who's also having the worst season. Like, good on Julia this week. She said everything perfectly. And Emmy has zero defense, not one leg to stand on. She should be embarrassed, horrified. Going to workshops. It's disgusting.

[Courtney]

What kind of workshops?

[Mary]

About microaggressions and macro aggressions and, like,

[Courtney]

learning something is up with Emmy. Why is that purse always on her arm? Production hates Emmy. They're so mad at her because of the will stuff from last season that they want to make her the villain. Production hates her. The most of the cast hates her. I'm pretty sure most of the audience can't stand her either. And Emmy lives in her world. Julia was freaking killing at defending Brad. And it's like, Emmy, you think you feel unsafe because of Brad from sending a text message to you. You are unsafe for Brad.

[Mary]

You are walking around telling people a different story than what happened, saying he stalked you. Like, that's disgusting. The look on Brad's face when he heard about that. And he's wearing the wig. I was like, this is insane. This is so horrible. This is disgusting, despicable. And production isn't even making Emmy look bad. Emmy does that on her own when

[Courtney]

they're going to the Dominican Republic. And she's in her interview, and she's like, oh, my God, I can't wait to eat tacos. Like, this is filmed after you went. Like, that interview of her in the white is. Yeah, that's right after they went. So I'm like, do you know what the food is? Because you've already been there. And not only that, you go tacos, then you go jerk chicken. Then it's like, emmy, shut up.

[Mary]

Yeah, she just makes herself look worse and worse and worse.

[Courtney]

The text that she sent to Michael's, I was able to catch one screenshot. It went too fast. The only thing that I could read

[Mary]

that went on and on and on, and it was chat gbt. And it was exhausting. Read me some of it.

[Courtney]

Yeah. So also, when she was like, and Michael's, you were going to be on my wedding list. So if I say two plus two equals five, then it equals five. Like, so that's not how it works. Literally not how it works.

[Mary]

Blind loyalty. And that is the problem. And it's like, educate yourself. If all these people are saying the exact same thing with you and you're still not understanding it, then you need to educate yourself, because why are a million people saying the exact same thing? Literally.

[Courtney]

Okay, so this one screenshot that I caught, I've been getting the runaround on it, and I'm being told I need to be careful when using that word because it can be interpreted as a microaggression. Or you have to understand the history that African American people have gone through. And calling a person of color unsafe can be a microaggression. But no one is telling me why when I use the word, given the context, why it was. And that is what is so frustrating, because Brad is not going to have this conversation with me. If you and Lake believe what Brad said is true, then I believe you and Lake can also have this conversation with me.

[Mary]

How.

[Courtney]

How am I supposed to understand this if no one will explain it to me? I'm not asking for examples or for anyone to keep telling me that Brad is entitled to his opinion. I'm asking why you agree with it. I'm not trying to drag this out, but this is something that is. And then there's a finger over it, and then it's like, because they aren't a person of color and they don't want to say the wrong thing.

[Mary]

She just does not understand. She's completely selfish. She doesn't understand how damaging to Brad's reputation this is. I mean, she, like, went to her trainer, told her side of the story.

Story.

She literally doesn't.

[Courtney]

People saying he stalked her and made her feel unsafe in the hotel room that you were with your fiance. Shut up, Emmy. He didn't even go to your room. He sent you a text message that was off of what you had said that he had heard. Like, you are blowing this so out of proportion that the environment for Brad is unsafe. And I love that Julia had this conversation with her and was, like, not going to back down. It was like, hell, yeah, Julia, just make her shut up. And you know what? Party foul times, too. She shows up as Britney Spears and then shows up as she's going to Stagecoach for Pirates. If you're gonna come, be in costume because now you've done two things up.

[Mary]

Yeah, I. It is tough. It is tough. Tough, tough, tough. Let's talk about all the cameos, because we had Ally, James's ex. We had Charlie, who we're getting to see the relationship with just Justin, which it looks like it's fast and furious very, very quickly.

[Courtney]

Did you know that at 5:56pm that's the time I think about you. Oh, my God.

[Mary]

And then we also had Sally.

[Courtney]

And then I started thinking, God, they would be great on. And Sally was on Southern hospitality. And Joe, when he tried to make her that chicken parm and it was undercooked. A couple seasons ago. But I was like, should they be on Southern Hospitality? I guess I just don't know what girls would be on Southern Charm.

[Mary]

Yeah, I think we're. I honestly.

[Courtney]

Okay.

[Mary]

I think Charlie makes more sense on Southern Hospitality. We know they're filming Southern Charm right now, and maybe it is fun to just see them on both shows. And that's okay.

[Courtney]

I know. I was like, what if you just did like a two hour block back to back? Southern, hot. Southern Charmed, hospitality. It's almost like when it was like the Valley and vpr, could that have been done? Or like Summer House and in the city. We're graduating to the next. But we still like to see these cameos that come through. Well, who are the friendships of the girls on Southern Charm that they're not friends with Southern. Like, we have to pretend that they're two different shows. But it's like, no, we don't.

[Mary]

I love this idea. Back to back. Southern Charm first. Then you go into hospitality and same with VPR and go into the Valley and you're on to something.

[Courtney]

Okay. Send him a letter for me.

[Mary]

Let's talk a little bit about going down to the Doctor. I loved Michaels and Maddie, like, preparing for the trip. Michael's is so excited to take everyone. He hasn't been back there since he was. But he's gonna be like, in his element. Him in the car with Maddie, talking about his trip to New York and making out with everyone. I was like, this is so good. But what. What are your thoughts on him and tj? It keeps happening.

[Courtney]

I think TJ has more feelings for Michaels and Michaels does for TJ because Michael said so I made out with everyone and then TJ made out with me.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

And they're sharing a room in Dr. Or they're showering in the same room. It feels like there's definitely a vibe between them. I think I like it, but I just think that Michaels wants to be a little bit of a hoe for right now.

[Mary]

Yeah. I mean, he's getting the brand deals. Clearly got kicked off of Grindr. Can't remember why.

[Courtney]

I was wondering if. I was wondering if it was Grindr or not, what the app was. Because I've had friends on that tell me on. They're on Grindr and they. They. And they send explicit photos, but maybe you can't post explicit photos as your profile.

[Mary]

I think that is probably a rule of thumb to.

[Courtney]

Well, I don't know. They're sending the photos on Grindr. I don't know where where it violates the terms of services. Okay. I don't know.

[Mary]

I'm. I'm unclear as well. Hopefully he was able to book that.

[Courtney]

Get it. Get a new phone, a new IP address so you can rejoin.

[Mary]

Also, like, could you imagine if you sat down with your agent and they were like, so we booked this big, big campaign for you, and then they started looking at your profile and realized you were banned, so they pulled out. Would you literally be dying? I would be dying.

[Courtney]

I'd be like, well, that's Catfish. That's not me.

[Mary]

That's actually a good idea because he is, like, a celebrity. So he's been like, I'm. Yeah, that was. Other people were, like, using my photos.

[Courtney]

You're like, it was a verified profile. Well, I did have my wallet stolen. I deny, deny. If there's anything I've learned with these casts, deny. Take it to the grave.

[Mary]

I think you're right, though. Michaels is playing the field. He's having fun. He's having a moment. He's having his 15 minutes of fame.

He's, like.

Doesn't want to be, like, he's in

[Courtney]

his second season where he's Is feeling himself. He's.

[Mary]

I mean, as he should. He looks fantastic on Watch what happens live. He looks great in these photos. I mean, he's the face of Men's Warehouse.

[Courtney]

And if you don't like what you got here, go somewhere else. What's this? What was a theme? What? Didn't they have a line? No.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

You're gonna love it.

[Mary]

You're gonna like what you see, I guarantee you.

[Courtney]

Is that what it is?

[Mary]

Say one more time, you're gonna like what you see. I guarantee it.

[Courtney]

Okay. That made more sense than me saying, go somewhere else. Go, Michaels.

[Mary]

Yeah. Okay. Unfortunately, Michaels has to sit down with Emmy, and I like how he took this on. He's like, I'm not gonna do the same thing I did with Lake. I'm gonna sit with her before the dinner. Like, I. I'm so looking forward to this trip. I want to get this conversation over with. And she literally, like, sucks the fun out of him. Just puts him in such a negative space. Emotionally drained him. He goes to that dinner table, and, I mean, that girl, she has no idea what just happened. She literally can't even read that. Michaels is in a horrible space after sitting down with her, and she's like, give me the food. What's that happen?

[Courtney]

Oh, my God. Is it run the Runway, the label? Oh, my God. I wanted to get that. Michaels is trying to Tell you, Emmy, you are in the wrong. And as a friend, I should be able to tell you when you are incorrect. Right? Like, you keep thinking that you're not being validated. Nobody stalked you, nobody threatened you, and you're using Lucia, another woman of color, to validate your feelings so that you can say, no, it wasn't a microaggression because you were being attacked. Like, she's getting one side of the story, and it's your side, which is which?

[Mary]

He didn't. Didn't even go to your hotel room. He texted you because he heard you, and that's all that happened. That's the only thing that happened. And you're running around town saying untrue stories and using words that are not appropriate, and she's gotta go.

[Courtney]

And even from that text message, like, nobody's telling you. Like, they literally sat down with you at the folly and told you. So if you can't comprehend that, that's on you. First off, you're also a fucking fun sponge. Like, there's no fun with you. When they were on the pirate boat and Michaels was, like, telling them about the Doctor and the mangoes, the neighbor would steal the main. I would, too. I would, too. It's like your chaotic energy is too much. Like, it's not fun. I don't want to hang out with you. I don't even want to be with you. When they were like, Villa 1 or Village, if I got stuck in Villa 1, I would be sleeping on the balcony of Villa 2. I'd be booking a chair by the pool to sleep at. I do not want to be in the same room as Emmy. I do not want to be near her energy. I'm like, get me out of here.

[Mary]

You'd be in the cabinets that they

[Courtney]

jumped out of 100%. And I'm claustrophobic.

[Mary]

But you'd sleep in there. I get it.

[Courtney]

Being in Villa One would be terrible.

[Mary]

Yes. Agreed.

[Courtney]

I've also stayed at this hotel in Mallorca.

[Mary]

Oh. So it looks like a blast. Maybe that could be our next brand Tripel hotel. Send us.

[Courtney]

We're available. But he's not even a fun villain because the energy she has is, like, yucky. I don't like it completely, and I just wonder the te what's going through her head. And your number one supporter is Lake. It's just.

[Mary]

It's. It's. It's getting hard to watch. Thank God we have people of light. I love Maddie. I love Joe. I like watching their relationship. I love Michaels. I'm Growing on tj. Mia's a star. She has athletes in her dms. There's a lot of good ones out there.

[Courtney]

When they were going to the emo party and Mia came out in that, like, wig, and to her use her words, like, made herself ugly. She was like, what?

[Mary]

That.

[Courtney]

Like, it made me laugh so much.

[Mary]

They were.

[Courtney]

They were having a blast for that. Like, I want to just have fun.

[Mary]

Brad's wig was hysterical. Like, there was something so silly about his wig.

[Courtney]

Okay. His wig started off emo, and then all of a sudden, it started to transfer, and he went full berries and cream. Like, with the bangs. Like, he was giving Octavia, Spencer, and Ma, like, with, like, the. The bangs. And then when they did the pirates, he's like, this is my second wig in three days. Like, he is in the wig business now. He was making me laugh. There are some joyful people on this show that I want to follow. What's the trajectory with Emmy here? Because Brad posted earlier this week, he posted just, like, a thank you for the support that he was getting. And Leva did comment on that. Like, I love you, Brad. So then also, he hadn't seen those text messages that were sent to Michaels from Emmy, and he. He commented on whoever posted about it and was like, I never saw these texts before the reunion. I'm so glad I had the energy I did at the reunion. Like, I now definitely don't feel bad about how I reacted, which I'm like, oh, this reunion's gonn good, because this is the first non clubhouse reunion, you guys. Ooh.

[Mary]

Okay. Well, I'm guessing she didn't go to the workshops then.

[Courtney]

Oh, no. I would say the workshops she went to were like pilates and yoga. Yeah, she doesn't think she there's anything wrong.

[Mary]

Oh, God. Oh, God.

[Courtney]

What is Emmy's trajectory here? Is there a path forward with her? It, to me, is not a safe environment for Brad, and I don't want him to be around her. And I do feel like even though she's giving them everything to talk about, that production can't stand her because of the bullshit that happened at last year's reunion. That I'm like, it, do we need her?

[Mary]

I mean, if I was Brad, I would never forgive her. And I don't think she deserves to be forgiven. I keep on coming back to these workshops only if she sincerely, like, worked at educating herself and how and why. This is so disgusting. And she showed me changes.

[Courtney]

But do you believe that? Because she apologized, and then she tells us she apologizes Just.

[Mary]

But she's just going around and doing the same exact thing.

[Courtney]

Yeah, right. There's no path forward for me with Emmy. And I just don't think that unless Brad is comfortable with her coming back. But I think she's not providing a place of. Of safety for anyone here. That it's like, if it's not him, who's next?

[Mary]

I think you might be on to something there.

[Courtney]

Just thinking about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'll be back next Wednesday because I love this show.

[Mary]

Love this show.

[Courtney]

I want to see Maddie. Dj. She's international now.

[Mary]

I love her so much.

[Courtney]

I just think she's the cutest and

[Mary]

I really want them to make it down the aisle. And then she does the DJ set at their wedding.

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[Mary]

Oh, my God.

[Courtney]

Yes. Wait, can we also talk about. So when they were flying down there, TJ and Michaels, they upgraded themselves. So did Maddie and Joe. But they shoot this scene where Joe is sleeping at the window, and then they have the row of three. Maddie is like a burrowing rabbit. The way that she's laying on Joe is like, how do you explain that? No, no, no. Rolled up into the fetal position, but on her knees. So, like her head is in Joe's. Could be performing an inappropriate act. But she's sleeping.

[Mary]

I mean, sometimes you get in weird positions when you sleep, especially on airplanes.

[Courtney]

Anyways, we'll. We'll be back.

[Mary]

Okay. Bye. Bye.

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