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Mary
Welcome back to Two Judgy Girls. This is Mary from the bay and
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Courtney
it's Courtney from la. Emergency, Emergency. Okay, you guys. This morning I text Mary and I say, hey, Mary, let's do our Patreon first before we do Summer House, just in case something comes out. Mary tells me I have our schedule completely wrong today. And I'm like, oh, God. Like, I'm sorry. I had. There was an incident in my neighborhood this morning. It threw me all off. Anyways, then, as we are recording our Patreon. Thank you, Mary, for being so flexible of changing our schedule.
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Mary
The last four.
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Courtney
Four minutes of the Patreon. I said, Mary, Mary, there's breaking news. I was too calm for it, I think, because it was a shock value. Your reactions say it all. This joint statement from west and Amanda has been released.
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Mary
I mean, I guess Bravo and Cocktails was right. There was a joint statement. It was just a day later than we expected. Okay, read it out again, be. Because when I'm also a visual learner,
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Courtney
you have it in front of you.
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Mary
Yes, I do. I do. Okay, important.
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Courtney
Both of them post on their stories for 24 hours. It's like, at this point, just make it a collab post because it's actually crazy that you think you're going to put something in your stories and it'll disappear in 24 hours. Also plastered.
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Mary
Do you think they wrote this together? Do you think someone wrote it for them? Is it a. I. What do you think?
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Courtney
I think that there's some chat GPT in the mix. I think that they had a lot of their team look at it. I would not be surprised if Bravo is also involved.
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Mary
Oh, okay, okay.
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Courtney
Because the rumor is right now is that there's kind of a gag order on the cast to not talk anything publicly until the reunion. That's the rumor. But let's just get through the statement and then, like, let's break it down. We can go paragraph by paragraph and break it down after. I can't wait. And by the way, the use of we. Okay, we've seen the growing online speculation. So while this is still very new, we Wanted to provide some clarity. It was never our intention to purposely hide anything. Given the complicated relationship dynamics involved and the scrutiny that comes with being on a reality show, we needed a little space to process things privately before speaking on it. We've shown up for each other as friends over the years through all the highs and lows and what's developed recently was the last thing either of us expected. Our connection grew out of a genuine, long standing friendship, which made it especially important for us to approach this with care. As our feelings evolved, we wanted to take time to understand exactly what we were feeling. We also recognize that this has had an impact beyond just us and never wanted our actions to cause any hurt or be perceived as careless. We truly appreciate the understanding and respect as we navigate this. So we've had our first impression because we read it live on our Patreon episode, but you were like, oh my God, oh my God. I need to decompress and process. So where are you at with this?
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Mary
I mean, they are admitting something is going on. It's almost like at this point in my mind what has happened is they probably hooked up drunk a few times. People have gotten wind of this and now they had to like, sit down and confront the situation and like, who knows where their head's at with their relationship. Like, are they just like hooking up? Is it friends with benefits? But now it feels like they have to date each other. Like, I said this yesterday. In my mind, I'm like, they have blown up so many people's lives in this. I mean, the current state of Summer House, we're mid season. Are you even interested in Summer House? Because the whole story over there is Kyle and Amanda getting a divorce, which is going to lead into the city. So are you even invested in that? I'm not. I. I don't care as much anymore because this is so much juicier and happening right now. It's like too little too late. It's old news to me, which is crazy. And I also, I'm genuinely like, you guys, you have to get married and have babies now. I mean, they have blown up their entire lives and so many people's lives around them. Like, because people aren't going to care about these shows as much because of this new stuff. And I just, I'm genuinely concerned for them as a professional level. There is so many complications that goes along with this. And I'm like, and is this just like, did you guys like hook up like five times drunk? Like, I don't know.
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Courtney
No. Mary. So the statement to me reads, we need to see how fans are reacting before we decide what the label of this relationship is. Now they're using this as we, because obviously it's the two of them with everything, but it's like they're saying, hey, you know, we can't not address this. The more time that goes on. We were able to get away from it with when it first came up in March, and if you guys remember, too, that dropped on like, a Friday, I think. And I remember Wes posting a story after dumois had posted, and I responded to the story, and I said, your DMs are about to blow up. Because he's. Remember, he was acknowledging that he's online, so he's seeing the speculation, but also not acknowledging it at all. And we're like, okay, you know, if you deny it and do it, whatever. And then he had responded, ugh, this is so annoying. And I was like, to me, I was thinking, well, that is kind of a denial of the whole thing. But it wasn't a denial. It could also just be, this is annoying that my spot's being blown up. I think what's crazy is with this statement is the fact that one, they're not even saying they're dating right now. I think what you're saying is that they're admitting something has happened physically.
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Mary
The words, the last thing we expected, and feelings evolved. That tells me, yeah, of course they've hooked up. I mean, everyone thought it, But I'm like, who? Who did you guys talk about this with? That was such a bad choice. That was horrible.
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Courtney
What do you mean? Choice of hooking up with each other or releasing this statement and saying that? Obviously everything.
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Mary
But there's a lot of bad choices. Choice number one, you shouldn't have slept together. Okay, so maybe you did, but you should have not told one person about that. Like, I'm not kidding you.
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Courtney
To the grave.
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Mary
This should have gone to the grave. It obviously did not. I wonder how it started, like, trickling out. I wonder how Kyle actually found out about it, how Sierra actually found out about it. I mean, they've been taunting us the last few days, Even Kyle's stories yesterday. He posted one story yesterday, and he was walking, and he heard, like, three gunshots. And. And he said something in his story. He's just giving, like, little sprinkles, little nuggets, little Easter eggs. And he said, like, well, that's the first time that's ever happened to me. And then he goes and picks up both the dogs, which I felt was like confirming Amanda's out of town. That's why I have both of the dogs, because they each separately have dogs. Then he posts the Sierra photo of them together. You know, they're giving us all these little nuggets along the way. And I would love to know who actually told Kyle about this, because this is really hard. I mean, who actually sat down with Sierra and told her about this? Did they just hear the rumors, like, through page 6 TMZ, or did close friends come to them? What happened?
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Courtney
I'd love to know the timeline, too. This to me also the statement, the timeline's not that long. To me. I think people are going to be now watching these episodes and trying to see any sort of clue they can grab about their relationship. And I personally think if this has been going on since last summer, that is crazy, because you're letting this man basically play you again. Amanda, you're being played by another man by not putting any sort of title, which. There's no title here. Right. So if you're telling me from last summer, this is when it started evolving. No, to me, that's crazy. It's been like eight months. That's not happening. But I also think too is it's been a couple of months. And I think maybe when the first thing happened in March and people were starting to get wind of it. And we've said too, like, what are the photos that are out there? Like, what evidence is there to support this? Because if we can deny it, then we don't have to say anything. But if it's starting to, like, mount up and up and up, and all of a sudden there's going to be ways that we can't deny it. Are we now just trying to, like, lean into it and say, well, maybe we should test the waters? Because I don't know where this is going and this is going to blow up. We've seen scandal. We've seen other situations like this. What do we do now? What we do like each other. I don't see Wes committing to a relationship. Personally. I think he likes to be a single guy, have his fun. I think Amanda was doing that too. A single hot girl, Summer, enjoying herself. And now that it's blown up, they have to choose Elaine and the Lane. I was thinking if they just came out and said, look, we hooked up once, drunkenly. It was nothing. I thought, what would the fan reaction be to that? Would people be less or more forgiving on that and saying, like, oh, well, it doesn't mean anything. They're just friends no big deal. Or would they go ride harder for Sierra Kyle? The dynamics of these relationships, it really is a guessing game in a way. And the way that you don't have anyone guess is by, like, not doing it. But since we're here, I mean, it
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Mary
definitely feels like they're soft launching a relationship.
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Courtney
Because they have to or because they want to?
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Mary
Because they have to. Yeah, because they have to. I wonder that snow day is, you know, in my mind, I think that's
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Courtney
when it all started.
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Mary
I think that was the day it probably went down. This reunion is going to be insane. They're probably filming that rather soon. We're already halfway through the season.
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Courtney
I've heard it's like, in like three weeks. Like, okay, this upcoming week, it's not the following week, it's the week after that is what I've heard.
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Mary
Will they still even be together by the reunion?
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Courtney
That's what I'm wondering. What's the fan reaction going to be? Is it, okay, well, they better get married and then we'll support this and blah, blah, blah and go that route, which, you know, I think we said with Scandal too, is like, when it came to Raquel and Tom, Tom, I think saw we have to go full in and then, like, Raquel and her family, like, pulled her back. We're like, you've got to get out of this completely. You cannot be a part of this. So do you go the route of we're going to be serious, or do you come to the reunion, say, hey, we're together, but because people are kind of not okay with it, but are like, oh, okay, whatever. And then do you quietly part ways after the fact? What does it change with the show?
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Mary
There's so much going on. Because when you spoke about families, like, could you imagine having to explain this to your parents? And then it's all over the news. And also, we have never known Amanda without a guy. We have never seen her without a man.
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Courtney
We. We won't.
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Mary
I mean, she's. She's already attached her self to West. I can't.
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Courtney
I.
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Mary
Are they actually. Are they holed up in LA together in a hotel room, just avoiding the world? When are we going to get their first picture together? I am freaking out.
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Courtney
What are the clues? Okay, so right now Sierra has blocked both of them. I went and I checked. They're not following. And then, like, the comments are removed because the tagged photos, all that. So I know it's been a block. We've gotten, like, kind of some firsthand accounts of Sierra in New York, like, not having a good day. Mia's unfollowed them. You know, it's like, okay, this is obviously a huge shitstorm. They have kind of ruined these brand deals. This is costing them business decisions and life decisions and the people that they surround themselves with. I think for Amanda, she might get some different brand deals. Maybe like less. For me, it just feels like there was more to sacrifice on West's end, which is why I was. I was having such a hard time believing it. What were they thinking? They were both at the top. After last week's episode, Amanda, you know, separating from Kyle, west, defending her, him being able to. To get back in the good graces of fans. They sat on that hill and they have rolled all the way down.
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Mary
It's just crazy too, because the repercussions of this, I guarantee you they are getting pulled out of brand deals. What is the future of the show at this point? I think, honestly, Kyle, I think is gonna get to go to the summer house. He's gonna get to go to the Hamptons, and I don't think west and Amanda will be invited.
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Courtney
So I almost think the opposite. Mary. I actually am like, Sierra, oh, my God. She goes to in the city. Kyle stays in the city. West and Amanda go to the summer house and they get the primary. If Amanda wanted to come back and get the primary, I feel like no just asked people and they would have given it to her. I don't think she needed to hook up with west to do so. I feel just so terribly for Sierra in this and people are like, they haven't even dated. Is it really that big of a deal? It's like, yeah, it is a big deal. Because one, we're watching this summer back right now. They're reliving this as the episodes come on. Two, imagine the betrayal from this friend who you have put on a pedestal and said, you're so much better than the way you're being treated. I want the best for you. I'm crying for you. I want you to know that your self worth needs to be so much higher than what you've given yourself. I am your biggest cheerleader. Amanda literally quoting saying, I could not get through the summer without having a loyal friend like Sierra was like, let me just let the season change and things change. It's just the implications are so insane. And I just cannot imagine a drunken hookup, which I think is how it first started. And wherever it is now is where it is, was worth it. And I said, Amanda's in her self Sabotage era because she doesn't give a clearly of like who she's hurting. West is this boy for them to do, it's like diabolical.
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Mary
Diabolical. Where do you think Jesse Solomon is going to stand on all of this?
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Courtney
So quiet on all this. I think he's defending Sierra. I think he'll forgive west and putting quotes around that because boys just like, deal with things so differently. Like, I can even see Kyle being like, whatever. Kyle right now is probably like, thanks, guys. I. I've had some bad weeks and you guys are really helping me out. I mean, people are saying, I will go buy lover boy to support Kyle now. He's gonna get himself out of debt because of this. Let's take a break and we'll be right back.
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Mary
What if I just, like, am thinking about the reunion so much. What if, like the. The couch next to Andy is like two couches just filled with the entire cast and then on the other side is two chairs and it's just Amanda and West.
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Courtney
Like, Andy is sitting so far to the left because the circle is the rest of the cast and then the two of them. Yeah, it's like, okay. There was this rumor too that Carl hosted at Soft Bar last night, a running club. And KJ was there. And that, as I mentioned before, is they're really not supposed to talk to any publications, you know, no statements, none of that, but that they were chit chatting there and that they were both confirming it was true and basically posted their reactionary photos so that people knew where they stood. I also want to know too, the thought process on Amanda and West because they had to address this at this point, right? Like, where there was smoke, there was fire. They couldn't wait till tomorrow. Everyone's like, oh, it's a prank. It's an April Fool's joke. We would love for it to be a prank because you don't want to think that these people are inherently bad and you want to find the good and you're liking them, watching them on the show. And like, if you've met them or interacted with them, they've probably been absolutely lovely. But at the same time, if it's a prank, why is it at the expense of their friends, both Kyle and Sierra and the whole cast, too, of jeopardizing this sort of thing?
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Mary
They were clearly forced into this statement.
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Courtney
Yep.
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Mary
I wonder by who. Bravo.
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Courtney
I think people were probably pressuring. You guys have got to say something. This is actually getting ridiculous. And the amount of pain, honestly, that you're putting other people through with your hasty decisions and, like, your dumb choices. Like, guys, smart people make stupid choices too. I just. I keep thinking west especially had everything. He had already gone through the trenches the first time around with Sierra. He had made his way back in. He was going to be that line from the women to sports. He had it in the palm of his hand. Amanda, we were rooting for you. Wes, we were rooting for you. We were all rooting you.
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Mary
Where do you think this relationship is actually gonna go, in all honesty? Like, are they going to date for a year? Will this turn into a marriage? Will this turn into a baby? Are they going to Jersey?
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Courtney
I mean, to, like. I think if they want to be on the fan side, is that they're dating. Maybe we've got to publicly be together. It also becomes now, too, is this Bonnie and Clyde situation. I think about scandal. And I know that, by the way, I still do not think this is the level of scandival. I think this is just, you know, people are calling it Amanda Vol. It's west side Story. I think it's, you know, whatever it is. Thankfully, at this point of what we do know, again, quotes around. No. Is that it's really just hurtful because it's Sierra's ex, and they're obviously trying to figure out boundaries and how to get back to a better friendship. And hopefully at this point, Amanda and Kyle were separated. I think they were separated long ago, at the end of last year. And their statement was just before the season started, the day they separated. But it's like, obviously people's feelings are involved, but doesn't to me feel like it's cheating?
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Mary
Absolutely not. I don't think it's cheating. I don't think there was any overlapping. I'm more wondering, is this true love? Are they meant to be together? Are they just being reckless and careless and not thinking and drunkenly hooking up?
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Courtney
I don't know. You know, the statement not having a label and just being we want to figure out. I mean, people still think, like, could this be the Buffalo Wild Wings prank? And it's like, no, it's not a prank. Here's. Okay, here's what a question I have, though. Let's just say for some reason it's some weird brand deal. It's abs. There's no. Okay, pretend, hypothetical. It is a weird brand deal. And tomorrow on April Fools, they decide to say, haha, guys, why would they risk their reputations to do that? I mean, you got to tell me that they're making $50 million a piece, but realistically, like, what's the point of doing this as a brand deal? To ruin friendships? And then they're like, oh, well, maybe Sierra was paid to block them. I'm like, this is a pretty elaborate scheme of getting us. Like, does the fandom forgive them for that?
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Mary
It's. No, this is not a prank. It's. I know it's that you're saying hypothetically, but, like, this is the real deal and they couldn't release the statement tomorrow because people would think it was a prank. This is really happening. This is their real life. I think that Snow Day kicked things off. I think they probably really enjoyed sneaking around. There is, like, a high off of that.
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Courtney
Can I ask you a question?
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Mary
Mm.
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Courtney
Now, knowing what we know with that, watch what happens. Live statement from west on thoughts on that I want to get. But then my statement I want to add to that is when we say, you really don't know these people. Like, not that I think he's a good liar, but he straight up lied to everyone there. Although I still don't know if he lied or if he said, we better make a statement and now I have to marry you. Like, do you. But what do you think about that now?
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Mary
I was giving him grace, saying, oh, he never does well at a reunion, and he doesn't like confrontation. And we said he was so nervous at it. Well, now we know why he was so nervous. Because they were hooking up.
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Courtney
He's such a fucking liar, Camille.
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Mary
He knew he was gonna have to answer all these questions, so that's why he was going back and forth in the chair the whole time, because he was waiting for it.
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Courtney
Do you think it's crazy? So you know, the Rhode island premiere happened last night, and Dolores was asked about it, and she's like, I'm not even going to comment on that, but year is my girl and I have her back. And I'm like, oh, Patterson. Oh, Patterson's coming out. They better watch out. But they also asked Andy, and Andy's like, I have, like, no other news. And I keep thinking back to that Chicago show Where thinking back, it was like, Saturday. But where Andy was like, I really don't think so. Based on a conversation I had with Wes, I'm like, people are such good liars. Or I keep thinking too is for him, it was a hookup that wasn't going to go any further. And they were having fun.
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Mary
Were they gonna wait, just talk about it at the reunion? A giant bomb.
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Courtney
That's what I was wondering, too. Were they trying to get through the reunion? Hopefully just get it filmed, not have to address it. It was gonna kind of get buried. They thought by March when that first came out that they were able to bury it. Nobody got a clue. And then this rumor from that snark bait had talked about with somebody meeting up with Sierra to show her the photo. Was it like, it's actually, like, irrefutable now. Like, you can't deny this. It is 100% the truth. There's no way that you could say this was, you know, we said yesterday, can you say it was a hug? Can you say it was like a kiss on the cheek that somebody caught? And then I'm thinking, I need to know more about the peeping Tom. How did they get the photo in the apartment? You little peeper.
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Mary
Okay, serious question.
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Courtney
Okay.
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Mary
Will you be able to forgive Amanda and West?
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Courtney
So I. That's why I'm saying this statement is important to the fan reaction, because that's where the relationship with them, I think, lies. If the fans are like, well, they'd be cute together. Because I'm already starting to see that too. Right. Like, oh, you know, actually, Amanda and Wes do seem like a better couple than Amanda and Kyle or Sierra and West, which is like, okay, whatever. But if people are going to start forgiving them in that sense of like, oh, they're together, then they're like, okay, let's commit. Because the fan. The fans will accept us that way. If the fans are going to, like, freak out at them, does it pull them apart? Raquel and Tom's style and they just circle the drain. What do you think?
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Mary
I don't even like comparing it to Scandival because I don't believe there was any cheating.
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Courtney
I just meant the relationship status between Raquel and Tom. Like, Tom. Tom thought, we have to be together, and she said, no, let's end this. And the repercussions of not being together, I think might have been worse than if they pretended to stay together.
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Mary
So I think that people will be a little bit more forgiving for them because no cheating. Yes.
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Courtney
Okay. Okay.
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Mary
I Personally am not going to be able to forgive them. I. I just can't. I can't.
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Courtney
You guys remember Mary washed her face.
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Mary
It's just. It's too weird. There's too many people in the world. You have many, many, many, many, many options. And for Amanda to go for her friend's guy is so strange. And then for west to do this to Kyle is not okay. I just think there's too many fish in the sea and it's just wrong. It's just wrong.
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Courtney
I think, for you. What. What I think upsets you, too. And I was kind of dming with real moms of bravo who are pretty close to west because they have their midwest connection. And I was like, I'm actually. I feel, like, bad because I think this is going to. You know, we say you don't know these people, but when you do interact with them and like, we spent the day on the boat with Wes and he was so fun. And then it's like they do something like this. You're like, oh, I actually don't know who you are. I thought that you were, you know, Mary. We were in that New York times article. You know, I think it's just you don't know these people at the end of the day, and you want to see the good in everyone and you wish that these things wouldn't happen. And then you think, like, if those people could do that to people in their lives, like, that's crazy. It's just the whole thing is wild.
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Mary
I also. Everyone makes mistakes. I want to be a forgiving person, but I think what they've done to these shows is actually crazy. I'm genuinely concerned about the city because I don't think people will be very invested in it because of this.
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Courtney
They've got to re edit it now and focus on the other characters. And maybe this is a positive for Lindsay that she'll get more of the story spotlight. Here's a question I have for you. Are they going to pick up cameras for reactions prior to the reunion? If we have a couple of weeks, are we rejiggering the season finale to do reactions? Are we going to open with the reunion with reactions or are we going to wait for first reactions as a group together at the reunion?
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Mary
In my fantasy world, fantasizing cameras are going up right now. And you know what? I can even take an iPhone footage and they can film themselves and just kind of talking to their iPhones and being like, I can't even believe what happened today. And this is like the first 15 minutes of the reunion and then we all sit down together. It doesn't need to be much.
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Courtney
Yeah. Like, I don't know if we need it in the season finale. I think especially too because I was thinking like the season finale of what we think is going to happen is leaving the summer house and going into in the city. Right. And then that's how we start the next show. But at this, this point, it's like we've really got to change how everything ends. We have to do some pickup shots. I think it makes sense to start the reunion out like that. I am very nervous for them at the reunion. We've already said Wes does not do reunions well. Amanda's never had to defend herself because she's always had a partner with Kyle or whoever it's going to be. Here's a note though. When it comes to this, and we saw it with Scandival is like Lala and James went to a degree where I was like Ariana. I understood her anger. It happened directly to her. Obviously, like, James is kind of the Kyle here. Right. But the anger that they had was really off putting to see them go after them. I'm like, I just need like everyone to have the right amount of anger and like upset and disappointment. But to also recognize that, like, you need to actually just sit in silence too to let them answer.
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Mary
True. However, they could potentially have ruined people's jobs, like in a big, big way.
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Courtney
Yeah. Oh, 100. I guess I'm just saying with the reunion is like, don't go the Lala route. Because Lala was taking her anger of the projection with Randall and then doing all she did. And then she turned on Ariana to the next season because they made her film. I mean, it is true. It's like, how do you look at the next filming schedule? I'd also love to know too, Is like the first time that they hooked up or whatever happened, were they like, never again? And then they're like, oh, my God, we're like magnets. We're so attracted to each other. And it happened. Or it's just like, what is the timeline?
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Mary
I think a lot of drinks were involved a lot. Not a clear mind.
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Courtney
Not that it makes it okay. We're just. We're just trying to figure out what was the timeline, what were they thinking? The rumor is that they were in Corona del Mar. They went to another bar. They were all over each other. No, I didn't hear that. Yeah. One of my friends just sent it to me that they were at CDM at that restaurant, Rothschild. And they went to this other bar, Malarkey's, which is like a dive bar in Newport. And we're like all over each other. But I'm like, at that point where they're like, we're gonna have to address this at some point. Sierra already knows, like, might as well hook up and have fun.
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Mary
God.
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Courtney
One more break and we'll be right back.
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Courtney
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- [31:40]
Mary
Don't say anything to the press. Don't talk to the press.
- [31:43]
Courtney
Like, is there. Is there emergency meetings at the end of the day? I think going to the reunion to like, I think Kyle is actually going to be more upset on Sierra's behalf than like the betrayal to him.
- [31:55]
Mary
Oh, no way. He is just. I think he is just excited and excited. Yes. This helps him so much. This helps him so much. We are not even really thinking about the way that he spoke to Amanda all summer. We. We don't even care about their breakup anymore. This is better than the breakup.
- [32:16]
Courtney
Okay. When we were on the boat with both of them, how a hookup happened yet, like, I keep thinking about, that was like he. He was wearing his ring, correct?
- [32:26]
Mary
Yes.
- [32:27]
Courtney
Did he find out about the hookup and that's when he started to remove his ring? Had the hookup already happened there? Was west playing in his face at that point? Like, the whole thing is so crazy. I really, really though do not think it happened last summer. I really do think it happened within maybe the past two months even.
- [32:48]
Mary
What day was that snow day?
- [32:49]
Courtney
And I believe it was definitely February
- [32:52]
Mary
because after the snow day, Kyle and Wes like went out drinking another day. And so I think at that point, west and Amanda had already hooked up and he's just out with Kyle all day.
- [33:07]
Courtney
Imagine being played in your face. I think part of the problem too is that he did redeem himself. And it's like a fool me Once, shame on you. Fool me. Twice, shame on me. And now it's like you've kind of made your audience feel stupid again, and they don't like that.
- [33:29]
Mary
I. I don't even feel stupid. I can't even believe that they did this. I just cannot believe it. I expected more out of them.
- [33:43]
Courtney
I think the problem is, too, is I'm just like you two. Like Wes and Amanda. Like, come on. There's. The implications are just so strong of how much you're screwing up personally and professionally for a drunken hookup, for instance. Now, obviously, we have to be more. We are figuring it out, and we hope you respect our privacy and understand our patience. We need to figure this out. It's like, yeah, you do. Because I. I don't envy being their teams right now, fielding comments from publications, brand deals. It's kind of funny that they have these brand deals that have deadlines and post dates and all this, and so then they have to, like, kind of keep constantly posting without addressing everything. And, I mean, I just think that Amazon Live,
- [34:38]
Mary
that said it all. That was the smoking gun. Okay. West has a podcast, you know, it's called Show Me Something, and he released a new episode today.
- [34:49]
Courtney
Yeah, I was gonna say they have Tuesday releases. I'm pretty sure. Obviously, he's not going to address it.
- [34:53]
Mary
That's. That was probably filmed a while back. Yeah, People aren't as timely as two judgy girls. We're hot off the press daily now.
- [35:04]
Courtney
Emergency, emergency. Now I think more will start to develop. I mean, I said, I woke up this morning and I was like, do something.
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Mary
Like, when are we gonna get something?
- [35:14]
Courtney
And I knew that, Like, I felt like there was a gag order, but I was like, someone just needs to confirm something if this is real. Which obviously we had turned. We were trying to hope it wasn't real, because we're like, they couldn't be dumb enough to do this. They could be this dumb. And then we were like, no, no, they are. So then he's like, how many more days can address something? Do they go a couple of weeks until the reunion, hope that they could get through? Like, there was no way they were going to the reunion. It wasn't going to be addressed. So the statement makes sense, I guess. But also, it's a lot of word salad to say. What do you guys think?
- [35:52]
Mary
I wonder what Amanda's close friends are doing. It's also. It's so dark.
- [35:58]
Courtney
Is this going to make our sorority and Quora newsletter?
- [36:06]
Mary
Our DJ sister Courtney, loves to bring up that Amanda was in Delta G as well. A sister.
- [36:13]
Courtney
Someone text. I said, I can't believe my DG sister did this. Not my DG sister.
- [36:23]
Mary
So do you think the ratings go up on Summer House? Like, of course, tonight's episode. Yes. The reunion's gonna be, like the highest weight rated reunion ever.
- [36:35]
Courtney
I do not think this has happened last summer. Now, I will say we have already seen this week's episode. And it really does bum me out because there's a Sierra and Amanda scene. And even just like the Sierra and West of it all, they're just small. It's nothing like crazy, but it just has to hurt to be like, I supported you. No ulterior motives. You were my friend. Are we best friends? Maybe not. But we filmed this show together. We are friends. It's not an alliance. I put my trust in the people in this house. We know that. Sierra has a hard time trusting people. If I were her, I would crash out too. And it's not because I'm like, oh, I'm sad that my ex and my friend have hooked up. It's like I'm sad about the betrayal and the trust and the lying to my face. Think about it. When that rumor came out and west posted that photo of Sierra at Lindsay's house with Gemma. How dare you play me in my face like that and make me feel stupid.
- [37:32]
Mary
How dare you try to get the heat off. You like showing everything's okay, everything's okay. But it just cuts so much deeper, I think, with Amanda and Sierra, completely.
- [37:43]
Courtney
It's like the betrayal of that friendship. You can say relationships with men come and go, but, like, your friends are truly. This sounds so stupid, but like sex in the city. Like, maybe your friends are your soul mates and the men are the people we date. You almost expect west to disappoint you in a way, but Amanda, Amanda.
- [38:01]
Mary
And then I don't want to be, like, harder on the girl than the guy because I don't like that either. They're both completely wrong. But at the end of the day, I think the most hurt here is Sierra, and that's because of her friendship with Amanda.
- [38:15]
Courtney
Good for her. Protecting her piece, blocking both of them. I can't imagine, like, being her because also too, it's like, how many times did they deny it to her? How many times did they say nothing's going on? How many times did they tell that cast, this is so silly. I can't even believe this is a rumor. I think about that. First we feast. Where Mia, like, she had a little Bit of an attitude towards west. And then, you know, he's like, nothing's happened. Everything's fine. At that thing. They basically played all of them to their faces. You've said, take it to the grave. And there was a reason why. That's also what's crazy is there's actually still no photographic evidence. It was all hearsay.
- [38:52]
Mary
But there clearly has to be something they're worried about. Are they getting blackmailed?
- [38:58]
Ryan Reynolds
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- [38:59]
Courtney
Oh, my. I mean, that's what I'm saying. It's just so crazy that there was something that for the reason of why, they couldn't deny it anymore. I said this too. How many times do they have to deny it? West denied it on Watch what Happens Live. Amanda had gone on a podcast and denied. It was like, I'll never date any of my co stars. It's like, oh, that didn't hold up.
- [39:16]
Mary
We were helping them. We were trying to debunk everything. We supported them.
- [39:21]
Courtney
Up until yesterday, I was still giving. Well, let's look at the other side. I will play a devil's advocate. To play a devil's advocate.
- [39:29]
Mary
Even though we knew.
- [39:30]
Courtney
It's like we all knew. And yet. And yet. And I have to also shout out, bravo, historian, because this is something she has thought about for a very long time, but was like, I think I might be too crazy in this, like, conspiracy theory. And I texted her and I said, I hope you feel vintage. And I think she said, like, I'm spiraling. But I just was like, you know what? You had wondered this. You had thought this. I told her. I was like, you need to put out a complete timeline because you have been sleuthing. We need the timeline of, like, the purported first night. Was it the snow weekend? Did it go back further? Where did it go from innocent to flirting to not so innocent? Who made the first move? Where was it? Were people around? Was it in public? Who knew first from the cast? Like, there are still so many unanswered questions that I need answered.
- [40:29]
Mary
What do you think about Paige, though? I feel like this is a very tricky spot for Paige to be in.
- [40:34]
Courtney
Hannah had posted some video, and I didn't watch the video. I just had seen that, like, Queens of Bravo had reposted Paige's comments. That was like, the Internet's a crazy place. And it's like, I guess we know where Hannah lies. I think she's gonna ride for Ciara. I think she'll try to publicly maybe stay out of it. But also at the same time, I think, like, Hannah and Paige as a group lie with Sierra. Like, Sierra was at Hannah's bachelorette party. She went to the wedding. Like, I think those three are much
- [41:03]
Mary
closer, and they're girls, Girls, girls, girls, girls, girls, girls.
- [41:07]
Courtney
I would actually potentially go against that, but not today, because I'm team Sierra in general. I hope right now, and I know this is, like, hurting Sierra emotionally, but I hope she's getting offer after offer after offer. I hope she has the world at her fingertips. The world is her oyster. I hope she gets some deals that if she wants to leave the show, which I don't think, as we talked about yesterday, she should. But she has opportunities to do so much more. She deserves it.
- [41:36]
Mary
She was out last night.
- [41:38]
Courtney
She was at the Apple, the friends and neighbors premiere with Jon Hamm, your guy, and she looks fabulous.
- [41:44]
Mary
I actually heard she hooked up with John Hamm last night.
- [41:47]
Courtney
I've said, you guys. I said I want Sierra to date Wes favorite athlete.
- [41:54]
Mary
Yes. That's great.
- [41:55]
Courtney
I. I want her to find out who his favorite athlete is, and I want her to post and fall in love and marry and have babies and have the best relationship ever. And Wes just has to see it every day. I think, how did I get myself in New Jersey? My life is now living in New Jersey. I've done it. I've done the big one, because two, and this isn't a dig on west, but west has been the fun, single guy in New York. You go from Kyle, who's partying, drinking, doing too much, and you're like, I hate this lifestyle. I hate this lifestyle. And then you're like, I'm in my single era, so I'm gonna go out with my and have, like, the best time while I have this hot girl summer. And then you're, like, attaching your wagon to west, who, let's be real, is like, kind of like the town flirt. And if you think of commitment, the first person on that cast I'm thinking is going to commit is not West.
- [42:57]
Mary
Something that came across my brain the other day is, yeah, Jesse Solomon is the next bachelor.
- [43:02]
Courtney
He'd be great.
- [43:03]
Mary
He'd be great.
- [43:05]
Courtney
I guess I'll start.
- [43:07]
Mary
He's so cheesy. He could really do the bachelor.
- [43:09]
Courtney
Jesse and Kyle must be secretly loving this. Oh, totally. Sure that they don't love that their friend is hurting. I'm not saying that. I'm saying for their own reputations.
- [43:18]
Mary
Right? And now, like, I'm like, oh, is west and Amanda. Are they going on House of Villains together now?
- [43:24]
Courtney
I literally was thinking I was like, west has got that on lock next season.
- [43:28]
Mary
Yeah, they are legit villains now. Are they gonna go on the traitors? Because we know they're liars and cheaters. I mean, it's crazy.
- [43:36]
Courtney
But what's crazy, though, is I also could see Amanda walking away from, like, the reality, the spotlight. I don't see Wes doing that as easily.
- [43:46]
Mary
I. I think you're giving Amanda too much credit there, too. She needs the money.
- [43:52]
Courtney
Okay, let me rephrase this. And you brought this up, so maybe this is why I can't comprehend it is that we've never seen Amanda, like, without Kyle, so it would be interesting to see what she's like on her own. And do we see that in the city? Do we see Amanda navigating, separating from her husband, moving into this place and being Amanda on her own? We've never seen that. So maybe that's why. I can't imagine it.
- [44:17]
Mary
It's just old news to me now. I genuinely don't care about the city anymore. This, like, ruined the city for me. Well, I watch. Of course.
- [44:27]
Courtney
I think they have to pick cameras back up again. I think they need to almost film another month worth.
- [44:32]
Mary
They've got to rework it for sure. They got a problem.
- [44:36]
Courtney
God, can you imagine the Bravo emails going back and forth right now? Like, we have the Valley premiering tomorrow. We have Real Housewives of Rhode island premier Thursday. What are people talking about?
- [44:47]
Mary
The summer house? Are they in trouble at Bravo? They screwed a lot of people up. They did screwed a lot up.
- [44:54]
Courtney
You can't help who you love.
- [44:58]
Mary
Okay.
- [44:58]
Courtney
Can't help it.
- [44:59]
Mary
Oh, God.
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Courtney
I think we've talked ad nauseam, which we could go for another hour, but let's. Let's stop ourselves now. If anything comes out, we'll be talking about it tomorrow. I mean, this is just crazy. This was like an emergency podcast.
- [45:13]
Mary
And hot off the press.
- [45:17]
Courtney
Stay tuned.
- [45:19]
Mary
We'll be back tomorrow. Bye.
- [45:21]
Courtney
Bye.
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