TJG: Summer House Rumors & Ladies of London S1 E5!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Judgey Girls – "TJG: Summer House Rumors & Ladies of London S1 E5!" (March 30, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this fast-paced and rumor-filled episode, Mary and Courtney dive into the latest drama and swirling rumors surrounding Summer House—specifically the frenzy of speculation over Amanda and West's alleged relationship, Sierra's reaction, and what it all means for the group. In the second half, the duo breaks down episode 5 of Ladies of London Season 1, analyzing evolving group dynamics, financial posturing, and memorable moments from the cast.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Summer House Rumors: The Amanda & West Speculation (04:09–27:32)

• Rumor Mill in Overdrive:
  The episode opens with Courtney and Mary assessing the internet sleuthing around Amanda and West. Evidence includes shared hats and sweatshirts, ambiguous group photos, and a “napkin moment.” Both hosts try to weigh innocent explanations against the mounting signs.

  • “Everything is speculation, assumptions, rumors. No actual evidentiary support here.” (Courtney, 04:14)

• Is It All PR or Real?
  Questions arise about whether Amanda and West truly share clothing due to a romantic link or “could it be PR packages?” (Courtney, 05:00), while Mary finds the Remy Wolf sweatshirt suspicious (05:26).

• Austin’s Gossip Bomb:
  Austin posts a cryptic story referencing pasta and friends’ exes, igniting further frenzy.

  • “Why is he inserting himself?” (Mary, 06:16)
  • Leads to conjecture over whether Kyle could have leaked info to Austin after a night out in Charleston (Courtney, 06:47).

• Sleuthing & Social Media:
  Courtney details her experience of finding out that Kyle responded to their earlier Instagram post about fan concern for Kyle.

  • “Kyle responds with emoji of the blonde guy raising his hand and a sad face.” (Courtney, 08:19)

• Impact on the Show’s Storylines:
  Mary notes how the Amanda–West rumors could overshadow Lindsay and Carl’s separation, “which was going to be a major plot point but this has completely trumped that.” (Mary, 09:53)

• Lindsay & Sierra Alliance:
  Lindsay posts a photo with Sierra, stoking theories about shifting alliances and PR motives.

  • “Lindsay is smart. She’s a powerhouse PR person. She wants to be in the mix.” (Mary, 11:27)
  • Courtney speculates this is a sign Lindsay “got the information” and is “ready to clock in.” (Courtney, 12:10)

• Are We Being Played?
  The hosts debate whether the cast, Amanda, or West are “playing all of us.”

  • “We are being played somehow by some part of this cast.” (Courtney, 13:17)

• Buffalo Wild Wings Theory:
  The wild theory that this whole thing is orchestrated for Buffalo Wild Wings spawn con, thanks to overlapping initials (A.B.W.W.), provides comic relief. (Courtney, 14:00)

• Sierra’s Silence vs. Amanda & West:
  Mary asserts that Amanda and West are likely isolating themselves from the group.

  • “At this point, I think they have to get married because they’re going to have no friends.” (Mary, 15:25)

• Sleuthing for Evidence:
  Discussion about possible photographic evidence and whether Sierra could have obtained it firsthand (Courtney, 19:32; Mary, 20:04).

• Betrayal Analysis:
  Mary and Courtney reflect on friendship norms and boundaries:

  • “It’s just too soon for sure. It should have never happened and it’s really going to affect their careers.” (Mary, 21:25)

• Hypotheticals and Impact on the Show:
  What if this hook-up had happened a year later? (Courtney, 21:35) Mary feels “time would benefit them, but overall, this is still just the wrong thing.” (21:55)

• Who Leaves the Show?
  Predictions that Sierra may be the one to leave as fallout from the events.

  • “In some sick world, Sierra is going to end up leaving the shows. And I predict that.” (Mary, 22:14)
  • Courtney compares Sierra’s possible trajectory to Ariana post-Scandoval, hoping for her career boost (23:21).

• Casting & Reunion Speculation:
  Mary and Courtney arrange “dream seating” at the reunion and ponder the future cast makeup. (24:44–25:26)

  • “This feels like what we’re watching now feels like, like, really old news.” (Mary, 25:34)

• Wish List for Access:
  Courtney jokes about her three wishes—access to Bravo group chats, being the best dancer, and unlimited funds. (26:09–27:14)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On sleuthing:
  “Is it possible they were sent the same PR?” (Courtney, 04:47)
  “The confirmation for me was when Austin posted this story last night…” (Mary, 06:16)
  “I was in Ikea…my wrist starts vibrating because your watch is going off and you’re like, oh, my God.” (Courtney, 08:01)
• On alliance shifts:
  “Lindsay is smart. She’s a powerhouse PR person. She wants to be in the mix.” (Mary, 11:27)
• On fan theories:
  “Obviously this is an elaborate ruse for this Buffalo Wild Wings spawn con…” (Courtney, 14:00)
• On the magnitude of the fallout:
  “I just expected more out of these two people. And sure, are they both single people? Yes, but there’s too many friends involved and you just don’t do this kind of stuff.” (Mary, 15:25)

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2. Ladies of London S1 E5 Recap & Analysis (32:57–54:03)

• Mary’s Turnaround on Micah:
  Mary explains a newfound admiration for Micah because of her “mini manners” puppet etiquette class and vulnerability.

  • “I love her mini manners idea with the puppets… I love her now.” (Mary, 33:07)
  • “She was always giving face value of who she was, but you couldn’t accept that because you’re like, nobody can be this real.” (Courtney, 33:24)
  • Both appreciate Micah’s definition of etiquette as “treating people with kindness and respect,” not snobbery. (Courtney, 34:03)

• Group Dynamics & Social Climbing:
  The duo analyze how Margo seems performative and flaunts her money, possibly using Ladies of London as an acting opportunity.

  • “She was holding Martha to the fire…trying to create a moment in a scene on camera.” (Mary, 43:02)
  • “It all does feel so put upon…she got jaded in LA.” (Mary, 40:35)
  • “She’s changed. It feels very much that way.” (Mary, 40:35)

• Dinner Party Factions:
  The group splits into “old money” and “new money” cliques, creating intrigue about alliances.

  • “It almost felt like an old money group and then, like, the new money group.” (Courtney, 41:01)

• Sobriety & Hosting Faux Pas:
  Awkwardness ensues when Margo, sober, serves only non-alcoholic wine at dinner; Missy is disappointed.

  • “Missy just wanted a glass of wine. She doesn’t want this sparkly, non-alcoholic.” (Mary, 44:04)

• Kimmy’s Unfiltered Opinions:
  Kimmy remains consistently anti-Margo, and Mary sides with her.

  • “I think she is flaunting her money and she’s trying to be something that she’s not.” (Mary, 38:54)
  • “She is despicable. She is tacky. She has horrible taste.” (Mary, 49:25)

• Meta-Reality Reflections:
  They discuss how the cast is aware of their own storylines and positioning, with references to squad status and dinner alliances.

  • “Are we the B squad and that’s the A squad…? Is this alliances?” (Courtney, 48:46)

• Character Analysis:
  Martha is seen as empathetic and a peacemaker, while Kimmy is tough to win over but could be a loyal friend once you do.

  • “I think Martha is just super empathetic and is like, I also have, like, years-long relationship with Margo…” (Courtney, 52:00)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Micah’s puppet class:
  “I love her mini manners idea with the puppets. That was it. I turned.” (Mary, 33:07)
• On Margo’s persona:
  “She is vain, narcissistic, and obsessed with money. It’s all about her all the time. And she is insufferable.” (Mark, per Mary, 50:16) “It just feels like she’s a social climber.” (Mary, 41:01)
• On social circles:
  “Kimmy and Martha remind me just of two, like, bickering sisters. They’re almost like the angel and the devil versions of each other…” (Courtney, 49:44)
• On the show’s trajectory:
  “I think Kimmy will have, like, a second season glow up.” (Mary, 51:38)

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3. Other Major Bravo TV News & Teasers (54:03–End)

• Upcoming Premieres and Reactions:

  • Rhode Island: “It is insane...a fantastic premiere.” (Courtney, 54:20)
  • Beverly Hills: “The worst show on Thursday will be Beverly Hills.” (Mary, 54:37)
  • The Valley premiere, Summer House, and Atlanta also highlighted as making this a huge Bravo TV week.

• Final Reflections:
  The hosts joke about being nervous to step outside in case more Bravo news breaks.

  • “I’m nervous. I should go check [my messages].” (Courtney, 55:25)

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Episode Structure & Important Timestamps

• 04:09 – 27:32: Summer House Rumors & Fallout
• 32:57 – 54:03: Ladies of London S1 E5 Recap & Group Dynamics
• 54:03 – End: Upcoming Bravo Premieres, Final Thoughts

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Summary & Takeaways

This episode captures Courtney and Mary at their best: rapid-fire gossip, analytical sleuthing, and sharp, humorous opinions about their favorite Bravo shows. Whether musing over suspect PR stunts, dissecting Instagram posts, or imagining reunion seating arrangements, the hosts capture the joy and madness of reality TV fandom. The Ladies of London recap blends genuine character insight with playful digs and personal projections, making this episode as rich in pop culture commentary as in pure entertainment.

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Episode Tone

Conversational, witty, and deeply embedded in Bravo fandom. Both hosts mix investigative skepticism with fangirl energy, never taking themselves—or the Bravo universe—too seriously. This results in a highly engaging and accessible episode for both super fans and casual listeners alike.

Transcript

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it's Courtney from la. And I mean you think you get a weekend off and they said I don't think so. This summer house news is just. And by news I mean there's kind of a lack of news. Everything is speculation, assumptions, rumors. No actual evidentiary support here.

[Mary]

But it's the Internet sleuths are working overtime. I mean we have matching hats, so sweatshirts, a napkin moment. Let's talk about everything.

[Courtney]

Okay, let's start there because I do have some questions about things because now it's like this is kind of like what happened with Scandal in a way of you start going backwards looking for clues. Right. Is there a possibility here with the hats specifically because Amanda is wearing it in the first episodes of this season at the country fair, Amanda's wearing this camo hat. West was them wearing the same hat later and then Amanda wore it to like a batch's interview later down the line. So I think within this has been like 6 plus months of this one hat. Is it possible they were sent the same PR?

[Mary]

I agree with that with the hat. The sweatshirt is a little more sus for me.

[Courtney]

I'll tell you why it's weirdly sus, but I can also potentially give a reasoning for it. So it's Remy Wolf, which I would say is Remy Wolf is. Is a smaller artist. And I don't feel like Amanda listens to. It's definitely West's sweatshirt. Amanda was wearing it. Where are we at that location? It looks like we're in someone's apartment. Is it West's apartment? And it's cold and she's asked for a hoodie there while the group is all hanging out. I'm just trying to play both sides here because it looks to be that it could be true and that it's leaning more towards being true than not. But I'm also just trying to poke holes so that we can play both sides here.

[Mary]

Courtney, I appreciate your investigative journalism and you playing both sides. The confirmation for me was when Austin posted this story last night that said pasta and your friends exes are apparently so back. Why is he inserting himself? And it just felt like this has to be true. If he decided to enter the chat and then everyone entered the chat.

[Courtney]

But the Austin thing. Here's some other questions I'd like to ask you, Mary. Kyle and Austin were together Friday night, maybe Thursday night. Friday night, because Kyle was DJing in Charleston. There's a photo of Kyle, Sally and Austin. Could Kyle and Sally have hooked up?

[Mary]

I. What?

[Courtney]

I'm just saying because that would be Austin's ex. Fling, perhaps. Could Kyle have told Austin then that something was going on with Amanda and Wes? Like, does he have firsthand knowledge? He was in Chicago and he saw Andy Cohen's thing. Right. Andy Cohen at the show said he believes nothing has happened between west and Amanda because he ran into Wes. So it doesn't sound like it was from their watch what happens live interview. But he had ran into Wes and just Wes, the way he approached it and talked about the situation, it seemed like there was nothing going on. Then Austin posts that and you were like, he has to be bombed.

[Mary]

Oh, he is so wasted. That story is gone. Yeah.

[Courtney]

Okay, so then yesterday, what really kind of kicked off everything from Sunday. And unfortunately we were involved in that. We were involved in that. And let me tell you, because I was just trying to figure it out. Like the sleuthing, like, we have no evidence on anything. It's all just us, like pointing to each other being like, exactly. And like hyping each other up and being like, but wait, what about. But wait, what about. I had posted a couple of days ago and I had said, okay, but the funniest thing about this rumor is how much we care about Sierra's well being. But none for Kyle, I don't think I've seen a single comment wondering about how he feels. Lol. So that was from like 3 days ago now at this point. And then yesterday, Kyle responds to that with emoji of the blonde guy raising his hand and a sad face. Now, let me tell you where I was when this happened. I was in Ikea. I was buying some boxes for a bookshelf I had and I was in Ikea and I started getting some text messages being like, oh, my God. Oh my God. I'm like, what happened now? Is it Bravo related or my personal life? I don't know. Like, the scariest thing is when you start to get an influx of messages and you don't know why, your wrist starts vibrating because your watch is going off and you're like, oh, my God.

[Mary]

Yeah. Oh God.

[Courtney]

And so then I see that and I'm like, oh, my God. And I'm like, okay, what does this mean? Is that confirmation from Kyle or does he want us to think about him?

[Mary]

I. I know. I almost felt like it was like, yeah, people check on me. I'm sad too. At the end of the day, I just. This has to be true.

[Courtney]

If Kyle gets out of this unscathed from his abhorrent behavior over the season and somehow he still wins, I'm like, God, that guy. That guy's played. Is he the leak?

[Mary]

Also, I bet Lindsay Hubbard is beyond pissed because people were going to watch the city because they want to see Kyle and Amanda. How this transpires. We know they're going to get a divorce. The separation, that was going to be a major plot point, but this is like completely trumped that. Like, I'm like, okay, they're separated. They're done. Like, I'm over that now. I'm not invested in that story anymore, which is going to be the entire city. So Lindsay Hubbard is livid, I imagine.

[Courtney]

Of course she is, because she yesterday post a photo with Sierra. Is this a current photo? Is Lindsay just posting something to let you know that she's Team Sierra? What this mean? And then hours later, Lindsay posts a story which was her reaction to when Amanda on the show had said that Kyle was at a fan's house till 5:30am and that's it. That's what she posts. Everyone's like, what the hell does this mean? What is going on? Is it Team Sierra? Like, what is she reacting to? Well, she posted that after Austin's post, so to ask more questions. Mary, is she saying Sierra told me all the Goss and I Know everything. Because as we talked about on Friday's episode, there's a random photo from inside Amanda's apartment, and Sierra met up with the person. Is she posting a reaction to what the hell is Austin doing trying to involve himself? Is she just posting because she wants to be in the mix?

[Mary]

Lindsay is smart. She's a powerhouse PR person. She wants to be in the mix. I doubt it's a reaction to Austin's, but maybe I'm wrong. That's an interesting theory.

[Courtney]

These are just questions I want to put out there for people to answer to themselves.

[Mary]

But then Carl does one, and kj and it just is like, what's going on? This has happened. This has happened for me. On Friday, I was like, it was a kiss. It was a kiss. It was only a kiss.

[Courtney]

Now I know. Mrs. Bright side, I. Did you wash your face this morning? Washed.

[Mary]

It's washed, yeah.

[Courtney]

Oh. When Lindsay posted that, I was like, what the hell? Because I believe her and Sierra had dinner last night. That picture, I think, was in real time. I think they had dinner. Lindsay got the information. She said, sierra, I'm a PR maven. As you've said, we are going to take them down. She's gotten confirmation of the information. She knows what's up. She's ready to clock in. As you said, they're not going to ruin my show, either of them, and they're not going to hurt my new bestie, Sierra, who we've really come from 0 to 100 on our relationship.

[Mary]

The whole thing is very wild because then in the back of my mind, it was like, april Fools is on Wednesday. Are we getting pranked? You're like, put up a thread. Are we getting punked? What is happening? Bravo must be freaking out. Like, no one is allowed to say a word until the reunion. No one can go on podcasts. Nothing. I feel like this is, like, everything is shut down. This reunion is going to be insane.

[Courtney]

So nobody from Summer House is on watch what happens live this week? I think it is a coincidence. I don't think that that was, like, a planned thing. I will. Once Carl posted, I was like, wait, what? And then when KJ posted, I was like, huh? And that, to me, felt like something weird is going on. But I can't tell if we're being played as the whole cast or if it's just Amanda and Wes that are playing all of us. We are being played somehow by some part of this cast. What are these group chats? What are the side texts that are happening right now? There's Also a rumor that Dumois posted, which I know we're not supposed to believe Dumois, but maybe they are correct in this instance. But that both Amanda and Wes were spotted in Corona del Mar near the Quiet Woman. But everyone is being kind of quiet here, but at this place called Rothschild. Why are they there then? Someone had this really funny theory and his name is Bobby, and he was making me laugh about this Buffalo Wild Wings theory. And he said, obviously this is an elaborate ruse for this Buffalo Wild Wings spawn con that's gonna come out a B. Amanda Batula, a Buffalo West Wilson Wild Wings. A B. W, W. Okay, Carl. A Buffalo Wild Wings ambassador. Is this a whole thing? The crazy part about it all is that the only thing of why I have to believe that there is some truth to this is because Sierra is the driving force. I don't think she would ever, at her own expense let this play out to be a sponsorship. Even if she's getting paid for it. I don't think she would want to be embarrassed. Her changing the life. Could it have been a scheduling issue? Maybe either of them come out and said, oh, this is a scheduling issue. Like, at this point there's nothing for Sierra to say because it's not her responsibility to put a statement out about what two people who she thought were her friends might not be her friends anymore. Amanda could have said something. West could have said something. And as we said on Friday, is the word dating a key word as opposed to hooking up?

[Mary]

Courtney, at this point, I. I think they have to get married because they're going to have no friends. They're only going to have each other. The. This is going to get confirmed. Something definitely happened. And I really am curious what the discourse will be because of this. I just expected more out of these two people. And sure, are they both single people? Yes, but there's too many friends involved and you just don't do this kind of stuff. It's really upsetting and sad and we didn't want to believe it. And I do believe it now. I want to know more details.

[Courtney]

Are.

[Mary]

Are they dating? Do they just hook up? Are they friends with benefits?

[Courtney]

Well, I was wondering, was West's appearance on Watch what happens Live when he said, we are just friends? I want to make that clear. Was that a message to Amanda, like letting her know, like, we might have hooked up at one point but we. We aren't. You know, there's so many questions. And then, yeah, of course we're going to be sleuth to try to Figure out the details.

[Mary]

Something that came across my mind for March Madness. I'm like, was Amanda the one that sent us all the photos from Wes's messages? I mean, I'm just starting to think,

[Courtney]

crazy thing, there's a blind item. Of course, that was from, like, last June of 2025. That was like, this seasonal reality star is cheating on her partner. Okay, well, let's see. Seasonal reality star, summer house. Who's the only person in a relationship in the house? Amanda. Who else would it be on that cast? And these are blind items, so who knows what's like, really true? I think a lot of people just say things and throw it against the wall and see what sticks. I just would love to know the timeline of it. They keep talking about this joint statement, like, bravo and cocktails was like, expect a joint statement. I'm like, what are they gonna say? Like, do an IG collab. Post. Be like, hey, guys, we hooked up and it was fun. Oh, hey, People magazine, do you mind putting a statement together for us? Oh, let's go on the vial files and go ahead and let people know we're together. I just don't know where they go from here. Because even if it was something of a drunken makeout, the fandom is so far gone from what could be reality to what people have purported to be. What do you think?

[Mary]

Tell you where they need to go into hiding. They need to get to Wes's parents ranch and hide out for a very long time and get married. Apparently.

[Courtney]

That's why I'm like, God, they're like, playing in our faces if something's true. They're in Corona del Mar together now. It was said that they were with friends, but, like, you're gonna do that and then, like, play on it. Like, if that was something I was involved with, I feel like I'd probably go into hiding or just separate myself from the situation a little bit more. As we've talked about, west has been through all of this before, and now this will be at a larger scale, unfortunately, because it's Sierra again. The Kyle dynamic of it all. I know we have to think about Kyle and we haven't, but that part of it too, still like a friend doing this. Okay, where do they go? Like, career wise, like, west had it all in the palm of his hands. He was the guy to bring Bravo especially it's very large female demographic into the sports world.

[Mary]

He blew it at this point. If I was them, deny, deny, deny. Take this to the grave. Like, you two know where the bodies Are you? And that's it.

[Courtney]

Bury them deeper than six feet.

[Mary]

I would be so curious who if they've actually told anyone did. Do people actually have evidence photos of this? Like, I need to know the facts. But if I was them and I do not lie. I was seriously, I can't lie.

[Courtney]

It.

[Mary]

It hurts my everything in my body.

[Courtney]

But this is something if it was life altering.

[Mary]

Yeah. Deny, deny, deny.

[Courtney]

Well, that's the thing. There is like supposedly photographic evidence. Where is it? Or is there a way to see the photo? And they're like, okay, we can deny this because we could just say this is a hug. Like, what are you doing? Like, what is actually physical evidence for people that can they then get out of it? Deny, like, what does Sierra really know if this whole thing from last week is true? Does Sierra have the photo now? Like, I just need to know what's out there. I also need to know, like, who's the leak?

[Mary]

I also can't imagine Sierra meeting up with someone to get evidence that just doesn't feel like her style. But maybe I'm so wrong.

[Courtney]

Unless that person's actually a friend.

[Mary]

Right. I was wrong from the beginning of this.

[Courtney]

So as we said, we don't really know these people. I think when we look back at scandival and then there's been so many like mini any scandals and putting quotes around that since scandal that you would just think like you would learn Amanda, you would do that to Sierra. Especially as people start to bring up things that have come up from their friendship in the past and talking about like the fertility thing even just like this season with Sierra supporting Amanda for getting out of this relationship. Okay. Amanda's in her single area. I still think she's like in her self sabotage era where she does not care who it affects and is kind of flying at the seam of her pants, whatever. But it's like Sierra's been there for you. Whether or not you're as close as you say you are at this point with all the men that are there. And west, like we like west. But commitment is probably the number one thing I would say would not describe him.

[Mary]

But also Wes doing this to Kyle, this is his ex wife and actually they're not even divorced yet.

[Courtney]

Yeah, it feels icky.

[Mary]

It's just too soon for sure. It should have never happened and it's really going to affect their careers.

[Courtney]

Well, so that I had two questions for you. One, let's say they waited a year and this happened like next summer and maybe because the show differences have happened Like, Amanda's over on the city. West and Sierra are like, leading Summer House. And let's say in a year we find out, oh, Amanda and Wes have kind of started dating. Would that change it for you?

[Mary]

With time, I think time would benefit them. But overall, this is still just the wrong thing.

[Courtney]

Yeah. It's like one person you can stay away from. Yeah. Okay, my second question is, and you talked about this on Friday, what does this do to the shows?

[Mary]

I'm worried it's going to be very strange. And I think in some sick world, Sierra is going to end up leaving the shows. And I really, I. I predict that. And that is not what should happen, but I weirdly think that is what is going to happen.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I thought. I've thought the same thing. I think I said that, like, it really is dependent on Sierra. And then it's kind of like, I hope too, in the way that Ariana's career has, like, skyrocketed, is that like, this happens for Sierra as well. Like, we know she's gotten these, like, red carpet hosting gigs. She's been doing some modeling. Like, I would love to see the attention and energy put towards Sierra for recognizing her skill set and what she can do and like seeing her getting more opportunities because I think you're right. It's like, I think the shows are dependent on what Sierra does because, like, west will probably come back. I. Amanda's off to the city, and I think that her and Kyle will be as amicable as they can be. I also could see Amanda not coming back to the show either, but that not being as big of a deal.

[Mary]

This really screws up a lot of things because in my ideal world this summer, which this is around the corner, we are in April, basically. So they're going to start filming July 4th, and I wanted to see this summer coming up. It was going to be West, Jesse, Sierra, mia, kj, pretty much the same cast. Amanda probably was gonna go. I don't know what was gonna happen with Kyle. Carl maybe go. Maybe Sierra will come back and Wes will not be invited. What should happen is Sierra should go back on Summer House if that's what she wants to do, and Wes should not be invited. Crazy.

[Courtney]

It. It will be very interesting just to see career wise. It's also crazy too that this is all coming out where it's like, okay, like you said, the reunion's like a couple of weeks away, I believe. I just kept thinking, like, what confirmation are they gonna give us? They're like kind of go into hiding, which they can't really go into hiding because the reunion's coming. They probably are, like. It makes me think of Scandal, though, when they were like, we were gonna, like, wait till after the reunion so we, like, didn't embarrass Ariana. It's like, oh, my God. You guys are so kind, but, like, not have to talk about that. That's. This is obviously going to be a huge source of conversation. We already know that Les doesn't do well in unions. We've never seen Amanda have to bat for herself.

[Mary]

What's the seating arrangement gonna be like, first, then west right next to her. It's, like, so uncomfortable.

[Courtney]

And then what is it, like, Sierra, Lindsay.

[Mary]

No. So, okay, okay. It's gonna be Andy and then Amanda

[Courtney]

West, Jesse, like, Bailey, Levi.

[Mary]

Sure. And then on the other side, it's going to be Kyle, first chair. No, Sierra first chair. Sorry. Kyle right next to her.

[Courtney]

Then Lindsay and Carl and Mia and kj.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Oh, my God. And they're on the other side or so just imagine, too, there's supposed to be this huge thing with, like, Dara Bailey. We don't care anymore.

[Mary]

It kind of screws up everything for me because this feels like what we're watching now feels like, like, really old news. I'm like, we're almost in a new summary. It's old news at this point. I'm like, I don't even care. Kyle, Amanda are done. I don't need to watch the end of that relationship anymore because she's got a new man.

[Courtney]

Wes Wilson. I want the dirt. We. We're fine with the end of that relationship. Oh, we have to, like, watch him yell at her. Okay. We don't care. That's so old news. That's so last week. Jesus.

[Mary]

It's crazy.

[Courtney]

It is also crazy because Coachella is coming up and, like, Sierra and Jesse always seem to go. I wonder if any of the rest of them were gonna be there. Like, there's still events that are happening. I mean, their life is still going. Like, I. God, I would kill. Like, I would literally my life savings to be in the side chats right now. If I had three wishes. Mary, tell me my number one wish. All the summer house, different group chats, and the Bravo group chats. Okay. Like, from production standpoint, like, I need every group chat in one. I'd also like to be the best dancer so that you and I can compete and take the world on with our dance skills. 5, 6, 7, 8, and then 3. I'd also like unlimited funds because I have A lot of side hobbies now of where I want to spend my money and if I have to pay a life savings to get in the group chat, it's okay. It'll replenish after.

[Mary]

These are fantastic wishes. I fully support these three. I hope we need a genie soon.

[Courtney]

West Wilson is Robin Williams as the genie in Aladdin. Wait. Live action.

[Mary]

Aladdin came too soon.

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[Courtney]

What about Robert Irwin? No, no, no, no.

[Mary]

Okay, I'm not there. I'm not there.

[Courtney]

I pushed too hard. I'm sorry. Tell me why. Give me why you finally came around to her.

[Mary]

I think this idea is actually brilliant. I love her mini manners idea with the puppets. And that's. That was it. That's. I turned. It was all she had to create was a children's class and I turned on her. I love her now.

[Courtney]

She was always giving face value of who she was, but you couldn't accept that because you're like, nobody can be this real. But then this week you said maybe they can. You do have to question every person now.

[Mary]

You truly, you truly do. But then I also appreciated her vulnerability of like saying like, I'm just like so exhausted. She feels so off balance. Like she's been working on this for years and years and years. But her husband's like traveling all the time. She has like the weight of the world on her. I appreciate seeing people vulnerable and not acting perfect all the time. So I got to see that this week with her. So it made me like her more well.

[Courtney]

And I also love the way that she talks about etiquette. She's like, etiquette isn't about like being posh or like snobby. It's really about treating people with kindness and respect. And I thought that is such a great outlook. I love the Sesame street meets etiquette classes. I think that's really fun. I was actually thinking like, I wonder if she puts those on YouTube if when Charlie gets older, would you utilize those videos?

[Mary]

Absolutely. I'm all about social, emotional learning. So I think this is Brilliant. I think it's super cute, and I hope it's successful for her.

[Courtney]

Me too. I think Micah just seems like such a nice person, and I. I really like. I. I mean, I have since the beginning. Now I do worry about liking everybody. It's like, I feel like I have to. We just need to not like people your way, not like them, and then be proven wrong and then be proven wrong again when they turn on us.

[Mary]

If something happens with Michael, always be

[Courtney]

like, I knew it.

[Mary]

Remember, I didn't like her from the beginning, and then all she did was make a children's etiquette class. And it fooled me not to go

[Courtney]

back to, like, west and Amanda, but people are like, I always knew. I was like, did you? Come on. We all bought into it.

[Mary]

He fooled me. He fooled me.

[Courtney]

You guys. She washed her face. That's how you know it's serious. But it's like, can I be honest? I never liked Amanda Batula. It's like, all right, let's wait. At least let's get it fully confirmed and then go off with your opinions.

[Mary]

Gosh, who is gonna do the first podcast that's on the cast? I'm just, like, very curious.

[Courtney]

Is it like, Sierra and call her daddy?

[Mary]

Oh, west has his own podcast. I mean, Paige has a podcast. Not that she's really. But I mean, come on, she's clearly good friends with both the girls. Is she, though?

[Courtney]

I like, I would love to know the behind the scenes of the relationship. Sorry, guys. I know we're talking ladies of London, but we have other questions. Okay, but I was thinking, like, I felt like I had heard that giggly squad was gonna start doing guests. Is this the first guest? Is putting Sierra on there? I also don't know that it be the weight of Sierra having to be the one to confirm it and, like, discuss. Does feel like maybe the joint statement does need to happen. I don't know.

[Mary]

Wait, and Carl has podcast now, and

[Courtney]

Sierra was on it already, so imagine it with Lindsay on Carl's podcast.

[Mary]

Wow. I can't believe Lindsay. Lindsay hasn't made a podcast called Activated yet.

[Courtney]

Brilliant.

[Mary]

Thank you.

[Courtney]

I love that Activated podcast. That's such a good idea. You should DM her. I'm sure she's not thinking about anything else right now.

[Mary]

Lindsay, I just thought maybe you could launch a podcast this week, call it Activated, and have Sierra on as your first guest.

[Courtney]

Brilliant. You, my friend, you got it.

[Mary]

You can actually use my platform to start it. And come on, two judgy girls. But me and Courtney won't be on it. You guys can be the two judgy girls.

[Courtney]

Well, just drop the episode in our feed.

[Mary]

Exactly.

[Courtney]

Somehow we've involved ourselves here. My greatest fear is that we were used as, like a blogger storyline. That was like one of my greatest fears. I was like, I don't want that. I don't want that. Because that thread really circulated with Kyle.

[Mary]

Luckily, there's no cameras up.

[Courtney]

Or are there. Were there cameras at the Lindsay Sierra dinner last night? Anyways, the ladies of London. Do you.

[Mary]

Do you put ketchup on your eggs?

[Courtney]

Gross. No, gross. Hot sauce. Do you?

[Mary]

No. Like, at my home, I would never. But if I went to a diner and I got an omelette.

[Courtney]

Mary, you can't have eggs out in public.

[Mary]

I know, but.

[Courtney]

But in case you were going to test things,

[Mary]

I would put some ketchup on the side by the hash browns and then if like a little egg got a part of that, it would be okay.

[Courtney]

Sure. But that's not intentional.

[Mary]

No, no.

[Courtney]

Okay.

[Mary]

How do you feel about dating a vegetarian or a vegan?

[Courtney]

Unfortunately, I do have to agree with Kimmy on this. I do.

[Mary]

Yes. Vegan is tough. Okay, so basically, Kimmy apologized to Missy, but she is pissed at Margot. Margot made this into something bigger than it was. And I agree. I am team Kimmy the whole way here. And I feel bad for Martha in this moment because she is trying to play the peacekeeper and she is in the middle, but I don't trust that Margo. And I think she is flaunting her money and she's trying to be something that she's not. And I actually find it very meta that she came to London to look for work and this is her work.

[Courtney]

Do you know what I mean? Which she was like, I want to get back into acting. I wanted to say that's not going to happen for you, babe. And that's okay. This.

[Mary]

This is her acting job. This, ladies of London is her acting job. It all does feel so put upon. Like the way that she inserted herself into this Missy Kimmy situation last week and now this week. I don't trust the girl. And I thought it was very telling what Mark said.

[Courtney]

I did have to say when I was watching, I was like, ah, that Mary. She's right. She was right. I did feel that after Mark said that after spending $60,000. First off, $60,000 for a rainbow house. That was wild. I was like, the floors are painted, the color, There's a lot of stairs for having a toddler. $60,000 for three months? That's insane. What does the husband do? Who is the hus. We have so much cash. I do think she likes the money. And as Mark said, she's changed.

[Mary]

It feels very much that way. And it feels like she got jaded in la. Where is she originally from?

[Courtney]

The States.

[Mary]

I know. I'd like to know which state.

[Courtney]

That's a good question. You could keep talking. I'm happy to look it up.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Courtney]

From the south because of Southern charm. Remember, she was gonna be potentially. Yeah, yeah, I'll keep looking. You. You. You keep going.

[Mary]

It just feels like she's a social climber. I did feel like she trapped her husband. And it feels like she lived in LA and got a taste of the money and wants to let everyone know now that she does have money. I mean, the way that she's talking to Lottie, like, oh, my gosh. I had 24, seven helpers. I had get three nannies. And I love Lottie's outlook on it. She's like, I'd love to do it alone. You know, Missy's like, I had a night nurse. I'd recommend that. You know, I did it mostly on my own with my second one. This was like, Margo's, like, power move. Like, I always had help. I could do whatever I wanted when I had my baby.

[Courtney]

So Margot was born in Conway, South Carolina, and she grew up between Conway and Swansboro, North Carolina. So you were right. I. I don't trust myself in anything anymore. Honestly, I. I question a lot. I question a lot. I think with, like, Margot, it's almost like she feels like she needs to compete with the women. Like, I thought that the groupings for the dinner later in the episode were interesting. It almost felt like an old money group and then, like, the new money group. And so it feels like Margot is, like, trying to make up for something, whether that's like. Like, lack of time with her husband, trying to get back to the life that she thought she lived before. It feels a little braggadocious to me about how she's living that life. I like to think that she's inherently a good person and she's just playing it up for the show and wants to be Missy's friend. And I do think that Kimmy is a little judgy. Kimmy. Kimmy is a little judging, a little negative. And I do love that she met up with Missy and that they worked it and that she kind of admitted it out loud, too, of like, you know what? Maybe I was a little insensitive. Maybe I was a little bit judgmental and I think she needed that. She wanted to admit it to Missy and she'll never admit it to Margo. That Margo might have been slightly right.

[Mary]

No, I like your point that you said about her playing it up. Because I just, I. I can't get over the storage scene where she was holding Martha to the fire. And I feel like she was very much like trying to create a moment in a scene on camera. And then now like with her house just showing it off. But then, then at the same time being like, I never host, I don't know how to do this. Which I feel like someone that has a lot of money loves to host because they outsource everything.

[Courtney]

Well, it did seem like she was outsourcing dinner. Yes. And then it also felt like she was almost doing a brand deal when the girls came over and she wanted everyone to try the non alcoholic wine. I did feel kind of bad for her because Missy really wanted a glass of wine. She just wanted a glass of wine. And Margo's sober. And I almost feel like Margo really doesn't keep alcohol in the house because she doesn't want the temptation of. And it is what it is in that regard. And Missy just being like, where's the wine?

[Mary]

She was really looking forward to going over to her friend's house, having dinner and having a glass of wine. She doesn't want this sparkly, non alcoholic. It's too sparkly. I did think it was very interesting that Lottie is very much team Margot. That was a little bit shocking to me. What did you think about that?

[Courtney]

I don't think so because I think Lottie is for what's right. And I think that she was team Margo because she was team Missy. And so I think because Margot was standing up for Missy, that, for Lottie, that was her being like, I'm standing up for here. And I do think that Kimmy is a hard EG to crack. I think Kimmy has a lot of preconceived notions. And I don't really know what Kimmy and Lottie's relationship is, but like I said, with that, like old money, new money, it does feel like you have to really work to get Kimmy to like you.

[Mary]

I'd agree with that. Do you think Kimmy would like me?

[Courtney]

No. What? It would take a few times. Eventually she would. Eventually she would. But the first time it would be both of us. Like, I think she would just kind of be like, who are these women?

[Mary]

Okay.

[Courtney]

But then you'd Crack her.

[Mary]

Thank you.

[Courtney]

Yeah, like you get her eventually because she'd be like, oh, no, she's just like this fun girl who just like, wants to be my friend.

[Mary]

I'd be like, I'll go sit in the corner with you and have wine and we can talk shit on everyone and I'll keep it a secret.

[Courtney]

Yeah, you would get the wine she likes and you would, like, win her over that way.

[Mary]

Good.

[Courtney]

I'm sorry, I don't. I. I don't want to again, don't believe me on anything these days. So maybe she'd like you right away. Okay, let's take a break and then let's come back and talk about the gender reveal.

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I thought it was very interesting that none of the women were invited to the gender reveal.

[Courtney]

You know, I didn't even notice that. But I also think it's kind of sweet that they weren't because it felt like very much a party for them and not for the show. Yes, you can film it, but no, it's just going to be family. I love too. And she's like, that's a very American thing. But because of, like, tick tock, it's now getting more and more popular. Their gender reveal was very sweet, and I was like, I would like to eat both of those cakes you just described. I was hoping for a girl, because as a creme brulee, strawberry jam

[Mary]

sounded delicious. So they're expecting a little boy. You know, she has a little willy in her feel that way too. You do think about that? Yeah, you definitely did. I think it's really cute that they want to celebrate everything because, you know, her dad and he has since passed. Her father passed away, so. So I love that we got to share this moment. And he. He met her son.

[Courtney]

Oh, good. Oh, okay, let's talk the dueling parties, because you're telling me there's two events happening on the same night and I gotta go to Margo's when I could go to Emma's. I know.

[Mary]

Aperol spritz cakes.

[Courtney]

When. When Margo said, oh, yeah, the other women. And I think it was Lottie or some. Or Missy was like, like, wait, the other ones are getting together? They were like, are we the B squad and that's the A squad, or is this alliances? Like, do you think that they have to start thinking that way when these. They film these shows, especially Missy, who's done it before, or Mark Francis, who has done these shows before, do you think they start to think about the meta aspect of who's at what dinner?

[Mary]

I think someone like Missy does and Margo does and Kimmy's above it because

[Courtney]

Margo calls Martha to ask to come over and she's like, oh, no, I'm going to Emma's. Oh, interesting.

[Mary]

Kimmy and Martha at the dinner together was absolutely hilarious because Kimmy's like, I can't believe you like that Margot woman. She is despicable. She is tacky. She has horrible taste. You were the one that said it first. That crushed velvet suit. Ugly, hideous.

[Courtney]

Martha was so funny when she was like, you know, last time she was in London, she wasn't wearing clothes, so we should be excited. She's wearing clothes now. Kimmy and Martha remind me just of two, like, bickering sisters. They're almost like the angel and the devil versions of each other in a way, because it's like the hair. Kimmy's hair, by the way, does not move. It is shellacked onto her head. There is no movement on it. If you told me it was a wig, I would believe you because I have not seen it move. But when Emma described them as the two Muppets in the balcony at the theater, I was giggling. I was like, that is exactly who they are.

[Mary]

Absolutely. And I like where Kimmy stands, though. She's like, sorry, I'm just consistent, like, I don't like this girl. I'm not gonna like this girl. And you should actually probably come a little bit more on my side about this, because we know she's not gonna last long in London. And then Mark piggybacks on that and is like, I heard she is unrecognizable in terms of her manners and demeanor. She is vain, narcissistic, and obsessed with money. It's all about her all the time. And she is insufferable. I die the way his, like, execution of it was just impeccable.

[Courtney]

And then Emma is breaking out into hives from talking. Do you see what's happening to me? Because you guys are talking like, I can't handle this. I am in the royal family. I'm fascinated by her. I want so much more. The hard thing with this show is because it's so great, but there's so many of them that we have to learn about each week that I'm like, we don't have enough episodes because I'm obsessed with everyone. I think everyone is playing a part on this show, and I love it. It's like, even Dara, who I still think about, and she was only in 1.25 episodes. I am so invested in all of these women, and yet I'm not getting enough of them. And I know the entire cast.

[Mary]

Yeah, I really am curious because I think Kimmy will have, like, a second season glow up. I'm excited to see that. I think it's really interesting that Martha is still trying to bat for Margo. She's like, well, she's sober. You know, she. She isn't the worst. She's I absolutely amazing. And Kimmy's like, no, she's not. Like, I'm done with this girl.

[Courtney]

She's gonna you over. Mark my words. Guess what? She already did. And then Martha's like, oh, come on. She's like, well, I am not your friend then. And I think Martha is just super empathetic and is like, I also have, like, years long relationship with Margo, and to be honest, she hasn't been in London for so long, so I'm just happy my friend is back in town. I think Kimmy just Doesn't like that she was called out by Margot and I. And I don't think that people come against Kimmy that often.

[Mary]

But don't you think Margo was just trying to have a moment there? Like, maybe they don't actually have a beef.

[Courtney]

But I'm saying, like, I don't think that Kimmy has a lot of pushback from people in general. I think she's like a force to be reckoned with. And I think she's super fun. So it's not like I'm saying she's a bad person. It's more along the lines of she probably has energy that you're like, oh, if you're gonna, like, go up against her, you better be ready.

[Mary]

Do you think she's a deranged?

[Courtney]

Corky? That was a funny image to think about because I love a corgi's butt and I feel like that's her hair. Like, that's the part of her hair is like the corgi's butt is her shellac, wig hair. Kimmy is fascinating to me because there's something dark in her history, which is why she is who she is. Where do you think this goes with this group? I mean, it sounds like next week we're gonna see a blow up between Mark and Margot. Is Margot gonna be on the outs?

[Mary]

Think we hit the nail on the head. We figured out who Margo truly is, and she came to London to be on this show. This is her job. She is acting and she's putting it all on and she's trying to be something that she's not. And I think it's very off putting to the group. So I think that will be her ultimate downfall.

[Courtney]

Off putting to the group, though, or is it just to a number, like two people in the group, which would be Mark and Kim, me and Emma.

[Mary]

I think Emma isn't allowed to say too much, but she's definitely more on their side.

[Courtney]

She's co signing by being there, but not necessarily co signing by repeating everything.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Yeah. I love this show. I think it's been great for first season. It's like, okay, this week it is insane. We have Ladies of London. This week we have the premiere of Rhode island, which Mary and I have both watched. You guys, it is insane.

[Mary]

So good.

[Courtney]

I don't want to, like, put the expectations high for everyone, but it is a fantastic premiere. Even though I'm still having trouble telling them apart. I think you guys are really going to enjoy it. The worst show on Thursday will be Beverly Hills.

[Mary]

Very true.

[Courtney]

You have the valley premiere on Wednesday. We've got summer house tomorrow. We have Atlanta coming Sunday. It's like, this is an embarrassment of

[Mary]

riches is and then Rhode island will move to Sundays.

[Courtney]

Wow, this is a big week, you guys. Of content. I'm just going to warn you two, we'll be putting a lot out there, but this is just a big week for all of us. And then we have to, like, figure out rumors and confirmation and whatever. I'm like nervous to do anything in my life in case something happens.

[Mary]

Don't leave the house. Your I watch will be Courtney left the house.

[Courtney]

I have do not disturb on right now, but I can see my messages piling up on my computer. I'm like, what are they saying?

[Mary]

You're nervous.

[Courtney]

I am. I'm nervous. I should go check them. Okay, we'll be back tomorrow. See you then, guys.

[Mary]

Bye.

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