TJG: Summer House S10 E10!

Summary

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Two Judgey Girls: Summer House S10 E10!

Hosts: Courtney (LA) & Mary (Bay Area)
Air Date: April 8, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode, Courtney and Mary dive into Season 10, Episode 10 of Summer House. They dissect all the off-camera drama, current friendship fractures, and the burgeoning romantic entanglements—themes that now spill well beyond just what’s aired. From Lindsay’s career recalibrations and Amanda/West’s love triangle fallout to fan reactions and new cast members, the hosts balance classic “judgey” humor with sincere reflection on the nature of betrayal and female friendship.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Off-Camera Drama: The Amanda, West, and Sierra Triangle

• Lindsay Unfollows West:
  • Lindsay's social media moves hint at deeper rifts in the cast, specifically her unfollowing West but not Amanda.
  • Mary (06:01): “She is a PR maven. She’s always thinking big business… She’s a smart cookie.”
• West’s Public Moves:
  • West posts a peace-sign photo with “Soho Brody,” his first post since the joint statement about Amanda.
  • Courtney (07:12): “Any photo he posted would be ridiculed regardless… People think that he should be living in a hole and he should never emerge.”
• Blame Game:
  • The hosts debate who should be more accountable—Amanda or West—for the breach of friendship with Sierra.
  • Mary (08:33): “Who are you more mad at, West or Amanda or are you equal?”
  • Courtney (08:38): “I think they both are bad in this…when people are blaming Amanda more, that feels more misogynistic… The one I’m most upset for is Sierra out of all of this.”

Memorable Quote:

• Courtney (10:16): “The betrayal really comes from the people around them... once they started hooking up... you have to realize now you are burning all the bridges around you.”

2. Anticipation for the Reunion: Questions and Fallout

• Speculation on the Reunion:
  • The hosts anticipate how West and Amanda will address their relationship, and if Sierra will “bring receipts.”
  • Mary (13:18): “I think we need to write down all the questions we need Andy to ask... When was the first time you hooked up?... Was there overlap between Sierra and Amanda?”
• Timeline Obsession:
  • The timeline of Amanda and West’s hook-up, especially “overlap” with Sierra, becomes a central fascination.
  • The idea of Sierra coming with a “whiteboard timeline” is both a comedic and poignant visual.
• Real-Time Implications:
  • The hosts reflect on separating the “art from the artist,” struggling to watch Summer House knowing what’s been happening off-screen.

Memorable Quote:

• Courtney (14:20): “I would actually love if Sierra came into the reunion like guns ablaze and was like, here’s my timeline. Here’s my timeline on a whiteboard.”

3. Housewarming Party and New Faces: Sabrina & Dara

• Sabrina’s Controversial Appearance:
  • Sabrina, Ben’s girlfriend, is heavily scrutinized for her eagerness and insider knowledge on the cast.
  • Courtney (27:29): “She has studied the show. She knows the players… She’s a fan of the entire franchise. She knows the Workus twins. She knows Stephen McGee.”
• Comparing Newcomers:
  • The juxtaposition between Sabrina and Dara’s respective styles—one overtly forward, one smoothly integrating—is highlighted.
  • The girls discuss Amanda’s awkward “pick me” moment with Sabrina, suggesting Amanda’s behavior is colored by the knowledge of real-life events.

Memorable Quote:

• Courtney (27:54): “Nobody has ever said Jesse is cool. If you said it was about West, I'd believe it.”

4. Relationship Updates and Character Growth

• Mia and Scott’s Long-Distance Dynamics:
  • The viability of Mia’s relationship with Scott, who travels frequently for work, raises concerns.
  • Mary (41:03): “I'm super worried. I don't think we know enough about him but I'm worried that she had to make a contract... says you can't be gone for more than 10 days at a time.”
• Mia and Sierra’s Supportive Bond:
  • The hosts praise the genuine friendship between Mia and Sierra, with both coming from complicated family backgrounds.

Touching Moment:

• Mary (43:17): “When Mia says that she wants to have a baby because she thinks it would heal her. I was like, oh, my God. Because she wants to have that mother daughter relationship that she's missing and she just feels like she has so much love to give.”

5. Sierra’s House Purchase Story

• Sierra’s Scheme:
  • Sierra’s purchase of her grandparents’ house is lauded both for her determination and for her complicated, secretive tactics (LLC & trust).
  • Courtney (44:58): “I watched that scene twice, and I laughed both times just at her delivery of it... She put in an offer, they denied it, then a higher one, and they still have no idea it's me. But they will now because they're watching this show.”

6. Carl and Kyle: Friendship Fraying

• Missed Milestones:
  • Carl is hurt Kyle didn’t reach out on the fifth anniversary of his brother’s passing, especially as Kyle instead posted a birthday tribute to Lindsay.
  • Mary (47:06): “Carl is really upset because it's one thing not to hear from him. But then on top of it, he posts a Lindsay happy birthday Instagram.”
• Advice for Apologies:
  • West’s advice: don’t lead with excuses, just apologize.
  • Courtney (48:47): “All Kyle needed to do is be like, I'm so sorry, I forgot… Don't say why you couldn't say it, why you didn't say it. Just say you're sorry.”
• Long-term Tension:
  • This oversight is seen not just as one event but a symbol of deepening fissures in the cast.

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Other Notable Moments & Quotes

• Jesse’s Song as Running Gag:
  • Courtney and Mary laugh at the recurring “I guess I’ll start” song from Jesse, noting its TikTok virality and meme potential.
  • Courtney (20:13): “Maybe that's actually how we start the reunion. Like Andy will be like, hey Jesse, do you want to kick us off with an intention?... It’s an earworm.”
• Amanda’s ‘Pick Me’ Phase:
  • Amanda’s social awkwardness and cliquey moves at the housewarming party are dissected through the lens of what viewers now know about her off-screen entanglement.
• Amanda and Kyle’s Future:
  • Speculation on whether Amanda and Kyle could reconcile, and whether their loyalty to Sierra could complicate or strengthen certain friendships.
  • Courtney (54:12): “In my mind, I was like, they could get back together. But then you see how fiercely loyal Kyle is to Sierra.”

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“In the City” Trailer Breakdown (55:36–58:50)

• Spin-off Anticipation:
  • The “In the City” trailer drops mid-episode. The hosts compare it to The Valley, noting the expanded cast and fresh relationship drama.
  • Amanda and Kyle’s split, lingering betrayal dynamics, and Danielle’s rumored relationship with a married man are teased.
• West’s Increased Role:
  • The hosts anticipate reshoots and trailer re-edits to emphasize Amanda, West, and Sierra, predicting this love triangle will be a major storyline in both franchises.

Memorable Quote:

• Courtney (57:33): “There’s a lot happening in that trailer, and it looks like the people are going to go after Lindsay as well… Is that the Janet of the group?”

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Episode Structure & Timestamps

| Time | Segment | |---------|----------------------------------------------------------------| | 05:10 | News update: Lindsay unfollowing West/Amanda; social fallout | | 08:33 | Blame and betrayal: Amanda & West; Sierra’s perspective | | 13:18 | Reunion theorizing—timelines, questions, wish lists | | 27:29 | Housewarming party: introduction of Sabrina and Dara | | 41:03 | Mia’s relationship; family backgrounds; maternal longing | | 44:58 | Sierra’s house purchase story—method and family implications | | 47:06 | Carl & Kyle’s friendship tension and advice to Kyle | | 55:36 | “In the City” trailer discussion, cast speculation |

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Tone & Language

• Candid, conversational, slightly irreverent “This is just my silly little show and nothing bad has happened in the real world of these relationships.” (Courtney, 52:26)
• Supportive of women; wary of misogynistic tropes
• Freely gossipy but often empathetic: “The saddest part at the end of the day is Amanda and Sierra’s friendship will never, never, ever, ever, ever. Yeah. A friendship again.” (Mary, 09:57)

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Takeaways

• This episode centers less on the onscreen drama and more on messy real-life entanglements and their fallout for both cast and fans.
• The loyalty and betrayal among the women are the true stakes, superseding any romantic drama.
• Next week promises even more explosive content—especially as off-screen and on-screen timelines collide.

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Notable Quote to Sum Up the Episode:
"You guys really had everything and you flew too close to the sun… The one I’m most upset for is Sierra out of all of this.” — Courtney (08:38)

Transcript

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[Courtney]

And it's Courtney from la. And it is Summer House Tuesday now, not to be confused with Summer House Monday updates, Summer House Friday update. Summer House Thursday updates is just regular Summer House Tuesday.

[Mary]

It's regular Summer House. We're gonna be recapping tea time, but of course we have to go over the news. What transpired in the last 24 hours. Courtney, kick us off.

[Courtney]

I don't wanna. There's just so much. It just never ends. Now, we said this yesterday too, is. I'm like over the investigative journalism of it all. I just want to watch my stupid little show. But there are some, like, tangible aspects that are happening. For instance, Lindsay has unfollowed West Wilson, but not Amanda. I think that is more complicated. They obviously have such a history together. I also think they're on in the City together. West is not. And so I don't think it makes sense for her to unfollow Amanda at this point. From a business perspective.

[Mary]

And she is a PR maven. She's always thinking big business. At the end of the day, that Uber Eats ad, you know, she's a smart cookie.

[Courtney]

Well, she's also worried, I think, about in the City, which is her next vehicle, which we know she has been looking for. What goes on after Summer House? For Lindsay, this is really kind of messing with her career. That's something that you said is not only is it jumbling their personal lives, but this is also throwing things up business wise. In the air. Totally. Totally. Yesterday, west posts his first story since the joint statement. And it is a photo of him throwing up the peace sign with Soho Brody, who is the man that does the whiteboard explanations, oftentimes featuring west. And they were at the NCAA men's championship game. What are your thoughts on this post?

[Mary]

I think he was trying to see how people would respond. Although you couldn't message him about the story, so I feel like he was testing the waters. How mad are people with me?

[Courtney]

And facing pretty bad. I don't also know what they're supposed to do. Any photo he posted would be ridiculed regardless. Right? Like, people think that he should be living in a hole and he should never emerge. And we know that he's there because he went from the Final Four in Phoenix where the women were playing, to Indianapolis where the men were playing, because he was doing podcast episodes in both. And I'm not defending him. I don't think that the photo he chose was a good one. I probably would have maybe done something more in a professional aspect But I also think it was kind of him saying like, you guys or a little

[Mary]

bit like, I'm just going to move on from this. My life is going to resume.

[Courtney]

I think it was bravo and cocktails that had said they gotten a hold of some text that west had sent somebody else. I was like, wes, you better start checking your friend group of who is the mole here. But said something along the lines inferring that he and Amanda are more serious in what people are saying. It's not just a hookup. And who cares about dating your ex's friend of someone you dated two years ago. So not even considering Kyle but referring to Sierra. Sierra cares about everything. Okay, first off, you in a way of whoever he's talking to. But secondly too is like who is exposing this? Because that's not a good look.

[Mary]

Well, who are you more mad at, west or Amanda or are you equal?

[Courtney]

I think they both are bad in this. I'm not mad at either of them. It's more like disappointment in the sense of wow, you guys really had everything and you flew too close to the sun. I think they deserve equal brunt. And I think when people are blaming Amanda more is that feels more misogynistic of the woman always taking the brunt. Lala said it. She told Raquel. She told her. I think west doing this to Sierra especially potentially hooking up very close to when he's also hooking up with Amanda. And I think his friendship with Kyle, that sucks because I think there was the level of betrayal and I think Amanda, I won't even put Kyle into the equation of this because they were separated. But Amanda who said that Sierra is one of her best friends, that's a level of betrayal too. The one that I'm most upset for is Sierra out of all of this. And then Kyle, I'm. What about you?

[Mary]

I'm also very curious because say west and Sierra were hooking up, it seems to be like in the last month or two or something like that.

[Courtney]

Yeah, 20, 26, I'd say it sounds like there might have been a hookup that.

[Mary]

What if Sierra told Amanda that?

[Courtney]

See, that's what I'm saying. That would be really upsetting. But they should both shoulder the blame because at the end of the day there wasn't cheating happening.

[Mary]

The saddest part at the end of the day is Amanda and Sierra's friendship will never, never, ever, ever, ever. Yeah. A friendship again.

[Courtney]

No, exactly.

[Mary]

Who lost a friend. And that's the saddest part of the story, to be honest. Yeah.

[Courtney]

I think as viewers, as, like, you and I, I think our disappointment comes from the fact of, like, Amanda finally left her relationship. We were so happy to see her. You, Ted, messed up, and then it seemed as if, like, Sierra forgave him, and so then we, as viewers could forgive him. He rose back to the top, and then you're just like, oh, he's like a dog. We don't know these people. But the betrayal really comes from the people around them. And to a point where it was like, even if. Because you said, you gotta get married now, you gotta get married, but even if that was, like, a relationship, like, once they started hooking up and they didn't stop after that first time, you have to realize now you are burning all the bridges around you.

[Mary]

I just think he's gonna come to the reunion in a really downplay the Sierra relationship, and he's gonna be like, we hooked summer, Then we tried to do things in the fall, and I told you I don't want to be in a relationship. So I don't know what else to say to you. And he's going to downplay it.

[Courtney]

I think that you are correct about that. People are like, why is he just gallivanting around the country? And Amanda looks depressed in her pictures. He still has to work. He's got this podcast he's recording episodes from. He's going to the game because that's his job.

[Mary]

I will be shocked if they come to the reunion as a couple. I just don't believe it. I think he probably got so scared of all of this, and he hasn't wanted to be in a relationship this whole time that we've known him. I can't imagine. It's like I finally found the one. No, I really, really think he will blindside Amanda at the reunion, that they're not going to be together, and he will downplay the Sierra situation.

[Courtney]

See, I would love to be in their text messages right now because I would love to know if they're like, we can't do this anymore, or if it's something serious. And they're like, we're still going to try. Where Kyle falls in all of this too. Is he going to be defending Amanda?

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

It's so complicated on so many different levels. I think the whole thing is shocking. So shocking to me is because they were both on top of the world in a sense. Like, Amanda could do no wrong because she had left Kyle, except that she was so wrong and she screwed her friend over so much, and now you just see her and you watch her on Summer House and my stupid little show I want to watch. I sit there and I'm trying to separate the art from the artist and watch this show. And then you start second guessing all of the moves. Like, I watched this episode, and I'm like, there's just no way they could be doing any of this during the season. And I'm trying to, like, separate that. I even text you. They're like, do you feel like this was a westless episode because they were editing it, or is it just like divine intervention that he was in Italy and so there wasn't content to show of him?

[Mary]

I don't think they edited this episode because of this scandal at all. I think he wasn't there to edit out in any way because he was in Italy. I just. I really. I think we need to write down all the questions we need Andy to ask because question number one would be, when was the first time you hooked up? Question number two, what's the second time? Have you gone on a date one on one without a group?

[Courtney]

How about since the scandal has broken, have they had a meetup? Add that addendum.

[Mary]

When was the last time you hooked up with Sierra? Was there overlapping between Sierra and Amanda? Could you imagine if you had to sit there and answer these questions because it's your job?

[Courtney]

Did Sierra tell Amanda Weston her were considering trying to date again? There are questions that we could probably get answers and questions that we don't. Honestly, I would actually love if Sierra came into the reunion like guns ablaze and was like, here's my timeline. Here's my timeline on a whiteboard.

[Mary]

On a whiteboard.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Putting it on the big screen. She's like, here's what happened at the end of summer. Here is when we had a rendevu. There was nothing there. Here in January is when he told me we should maybe start seeing each other. Here's us at super bowl, and I went. Went home with him, and then she just lights it all on fire. But any point that he was trying to downplay, she's like, no, no. And not only that, screenshots, the text messages.

[Mary]

Do you think they hooked up on Super Bowl?

[Courtney]

No. Right?

[Mary]

No.

[Courtney]

They were very chummy at super bowl. And if there was a recent hookup, I could see that being then. I don't know. I think at the reunion is I want an honest timeline.

[Mary]

I wonder how specific he will be, though.

[Courtney]

Does he want to expose himself in a way of like, hey, I told all these people that nothing was serious. I'm a single guy in New York who, you know, goes out, might meet somebody and hook up with them. And that's what you do at 31. I'm not saying this is what you do, but that's what he's saying.

[Mary]

No, I think a lot of people do that.

[Courtney]

I'm not trying to defend Wes is what I mean here.

[Mary]

Oh, no.

[Courtney]

And then I think it's like Amanda and I made a mistake. It was drunk. It was stupid. We said never again. But we also hang out in the same group, and it developed. And that joint statement was probably put out way too early. But at the same time, there was so many rumors about it. But we really are trying to figure out what this is because it does feel like it could be something more. I just don't think the honesty is going to come through on that. I think he's going to play silent. Was he silent or silent Mary?

[Mary]

Both.

[Courtney]

In this case, yes. The cast, how do they play it? Because obviously they're all upset. Everyone is seemingly very Team Sierra. How do they play it?

[Mary]

Lindsay's gonna be way too activated. It's gonna annoy me. I'm really curious because Carl posted the green screen of a confessional, so they must be doing something to tack on to the end here. I think Carl will kind of try to see maybe the best in everybody but be team Sierra. But he has a relationship with Amanda.

[Courtney]

I think that's why he's a mess. Mary.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I think that's why he's a mess. I will wonder, though, if they start flashing these things of, like, things that had happened. Because then I think within the city, you can still air the entire season. I'm here to see it. But you can't not add this to the end of it, right? Have they talked to Amanda and West's production side and asked for a timeline? Because does the timeline line up with when they were filming too? Like, were things happening at BravoCon? When did this start again? The biggest thing here, I think, is the betrayal factor and being lied to and, like, the sneaking around. That's the ickiest part. That's why I asked in a year, if it happened, would you be as disappointed knowing that because maybe Kyle and Amanda have divorced at that point. Sierra and west are no longer. They've realized that their boundaries, straight friendship. Amanda has talked to Sierra. There's just so much further removed. Would that change?

[Mary]

Of course, time would help them a little bit. But at the end of the day, the relationship between Amanda and Sierra, that's the Most upsetting part of it.

[Courtney]

Boys will be boys.

[Mary]

If you ask me, I'd never.

[Courtney]

I was gonna say never trust a man we shouldn't. And it's just so disappointing to think like that. Your friendship, you just start thinking, did it really mean nothing? I say, she's in her self sabotage, Light the world on fire. I don't think either of them were thinking about the full consequences of it. And if they were, I think they were giving themselves excuses of why it was okay.

[Mary]

They probably kept on saying, oh, it's just a drunk thing. It's just for fun.

[Courtney]

We will tell them when we're ready to tell them. I don't even think it's that big of a deal. But I like where we are right now with being able to not have to be public with this and the little clues we give each other.

[Mary]

I.

[Courtney]

What if like he comes to the reunion, says, I love her.

[Mary]

I just, I really don't imagine that happening. I, I really think he is going to separate himself from her. And then I'm like, what else are we going to talk about at the reunion? Do we care about anyone else's packages? I mean, this really screws things up. This is not going to be a typical reunion.

[Courtney]

How would you play this if you're Bravo, though, it's almost like maybe you start off with a couple of different storylines, but obviously like the meat and potatoes here is Amanda and Wes and you can't avoid it even though it has nothing to do with the season as of now, unless we find out something about a timeline. But at the end of the day, it's like this is the main thing. People are going to be tuning in. You're gonna have say this probably will be a three part reunion, at least at this point. So the second episode will be dedicated to this. The end of the first will touch upon it and then the beginning of the third. How do you sandwich it in for people to care? You obviously talk about the Amanda and Kyle divorce and I think that segues in, but everybody else, no, I think

[Mary]

nobody gets a package and that you just start with it and then try to figure out, is there any way to make amends or move forward because where is Summer House going based on this reunion? And spin it that way and then you can interstitial relationships with that. Like they could do a KJ Mia Sierra package. Even a Sierra package on her own. Buying the house. Lindsay, no package. Carl, no package. Kyle and Amanda can have a package. West, no package.

[Courtney]

Jesse.

[Mary]

Sorry, you're singing.

[Courtney]

Maybe that's actually how we start the reunion. Like. Like Andy will be like, hey Jesse, do you want to kick us off with an intention? He's like, I guess I'll start hoping a way that the cast can get together and we can all hug it out. I don't even know the lyrics. All I know is I guess I'll start and that just repeats in my head. Over and it's an earworm.

[Mary]

It's all over TikTok I have prayer

[Courtney]

for Coachella this weekend is that I go watch a DJ set and someone has remixed. I guess I'll start.

[Mary]

You're gonna see Jesse Solomon, I bet.

[Courtney]

Crossing my fingers. Let's take a break and come back with the episode.

[Mary]

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[Courtney]

Oh my God.

[Mary]

Is insane, you guys. She has studied the show. She knows the players. I think her and Ben were together the entire summer. He was texting her every little bit. It's the last two weekends. So he's finally like, okay, I can tell everyone I'm actually in a relationship.

[Courtney]

He had to come on the show single. That was what they said. They told him, oh, you're single. Great. Because we're not doing people in relationships as new cast members. Except for Mia, because we love her. What do you mean you've had a girlfriend? I'm on the Jesse train with this too. Him saying that, and of course with timing too. And he's like, he had a secret girlfriend. I think that's a theory. And I just started laughing. If only we knew what we know now.

[Mary]

Jesse is totally outing Ben. But this Sabrina girl, she's like, sees Sierra and she's like, oh my God, I'm obsessed with you.

[Courtney]

Connection. I don't do this often. Like, I never find soulmates often. But I saw you and I knew. I knew it right away. I'm like, you are so creepy. Bringing the flowers for Lindsay. She was like, okay, get Lindsay on my good side. The way that she introduced herself to Jesse, oh, my God, I've heard so many good things about you that you're just, like, so cool. I'm like, nobody has ever said Jesse is cool. If you said it was about West, I'd believe it.

[Mary]

The way she inserted herself, she's like, amanda, what is going on with your relationship? You deserve true love. If. If it's not him, you know, we can go out and find it. I want you happy. Amanda's never talked to this woman before. Like, how creepy is this? This is a. A fan of the entire franchise. She knows the Workus twins. She knows Stephen McGee.

[Courtney]

They know her.

[Mary]

She has watched from the beginning. She got Ben on the show.

[Courtney]

She was like, wait, you went to a wedding with Amanda and Kyle? Ben, you're hot. And also, though, I'm going to make you grow this little mustache, and I'm going to Cory Matthews your hair because I don't want any other girl to have you. I think she's sabotaging him from being super hot. But she said, we're going to get you on that show. That's your in. You could be single and you can make out with one girl. One time.

[Mary]

Time I went on her social media, she has about 30,000 followers. She definitely, like, curated it down. But then in her highlights, she has this trip to Australia, and you guys, she's one of these girls. She has been bringing her flowers, and I'm like, well, how did you know he was bringing you flowers?

[Courtney]

Like, she was filming and he accidentally walked in with flowers.

[Mary]

Like, everything is curated. Yeah, there isn't that much on her social media. I bet she scrubbed it because she knew this episode's coming out.

[Courtney]

I think she runs Ben's Instagram as well. And look, your partner should be obsessed with you, okay? They should love you to the nth degree. The best relationship advice that we've always heard is, you should be with someone who loves you more than you love them. But it just feels like the captions written have a woman's touch.

[Mary]

And then it makes me think about March Madness because I was kind of shocking. He didn't participate or, like, something. Yes.

[Courtney]

He didn't respond to a message. Not even, like, a heart, like, acknowledging it. And that's what I'm telling you. I think she Wants him to be ugly to others and hot to her.

[Mary]

It just is. She was truly fascinating. I wish we got to meet her like a month ago, to be honest. Like, I wish she was on our screens a little bit before you did.

[Courtney]

A little crazy. And I think Amanda's being kind of a little bit of a pick me with the situation about what she said to Sabrina. But we'll get there. But even the fact that they're gonna have a scene next week, I was like, oh, Sabrina's been waiting to have conflict. Sabrina, you didn't even know she's gonna be in a controversy when your episode comes out.

[Mary]

Also, like, the juxtaposition between Dara and Sabrina, I mean, how crazy is that? Like, Dara's brand new too. She's like, calm, cool, collective, like, slid right in. No problem. Sabrina is scary. Amanda's like, like, why does she know so much? This is really off putting.

[Courtney]

Well, and then too, at the housewarming party, you hear because the party is so crowded. I also was wondering if this was Lindsay's birthday party, because Lindsay didn't get a party at the house. We did Kyle's birthday party, and then we're going back to the house. It's not. Lindsay had her birthday during the week, but she has the housewarming. So I'm assuming this is also her birthday party that we're celebrating the housewarming. So you're just listening, right? You're seeing a scene of people, but you're actually just hearing the conversation. She's like, oh, my God. I was looking for people I knew. And they're just being inviting the girls in summer house. But Sabrina is saying that, like, oh, you can, like, stand with us. She's like, oh, my God, my friends. It's like, baby, you just met them 10 minutes ago. And then to be the first thing you say to Amanda's like, so what's going on with this relationship? You know what that is? That is like a crazy fan that doesn't know what to say. And, like, got put in front of that person so just starts like word vomiting. Because you're so excited to be in their presence that you're like, oh, my God, I just want the best for you. You're so cool. I love your style. Like, Kyle isn't treat you that well. You deserve the absolute world.

[Mary]

Could you imagine going up to someone you've never met and talking about their relationship with them? Because you know how bad it is. Like, it's psychotic.

[Courtney]

It's not even I loved your relationship you and Kyle are so cute. It's like, so when are you divorcing?

[Mary]

I know. Like, it's so. So psychotic. Bizarre. Also. Oh, God. When she finds out about Dara and Ben, I'm scared for Ben because Bailey's like, well, you know, I saw you go into his room. And she's like, no, I did.

[Courtney]

She's also telling different details, though. Last week, at the end of the episode, she's like, no, nothing happened. I didn't go into Ben's room. Then this week, she says, actually, they put my suitcase in his room, so I went into there to change. But we watch her carry her suitcase and roll it into Ben's room. So the details are murky in the sense of what Dara is saying as the full truth.

[Mary]

I think at the beginning, she probably was open to hanging out with anyone, flirting with anyone. So the first person she flirts with is Ben. And Ben is doing, like, full court press on her. And then she's like, I'm not super into it. She starts talking to kj. They really hit it off. They're still together in real time. And she's like, kind of rewriting history a little bit, as she says he did. But she's like, well, he got his feelings hurt because he got rejected by me. And maybe that is the case. I do. I think she went in that room. Yeah. Did she change in there? Yeah. I mean, we have the evidence, like you said.

[Courtney]

I don't think it was, like, anything nefarious. She wasn't even with KJ at this point. She had just met both of them. I think she was kind of being young, flirty, and fun and seeing who she was vibing with. At the end of the day, it wasn't Ben. But then I started laughing when she was like, so what do you mean? He denied that we weren't flirting. Like, she started getting offended. I guess that's what somebody would say when their feelings get her. And I started laughing, just being like, I think he's is downplaying it because you did start dating kj. And then he didn't want to make a big deal of it because KJ's in his head about this relationship. I don't think either of them were being bad.

[Mary]

No.

[Courtney]

But then I left to Bailey was like, well, okay, why am I getting the blame for this? Like, you did go in the room. He was flirting. And I've been watching Ben like a hawk. Cause I think he's hot, Right. And I think he wants to f his night's Mrs.

[Mary]

I think Bailey is everyone like, oh, I love Bailey, she's such a girl's girl. And I don't think anything will transpire with her and Carl, which also it's kind of crazy that we've barely seen Soft Bar this whole summer because I don't think think he got it open on time for them filming.

[Courtney]

No, I know that they filmed there for in the City. I know Kyle and him had a scene there. I also though did think it was sweet because I do think that Bailey is potentially interested in Carl. And I noticed that at Lindsay's party she was drinking a non alcoholic margarita and then when they went golfing she ordered a diet Coke. I think he appreciates that.

[Mary]

Well, that was the nicest thing that happened to him that night because Lindsay made it very uncomfortable for him. She gives a speech, but she hates, hates giving speeches. Flashback to every speech she's given that sometimes lasts hours. You can see as she starts talking like Carl's like, does this big gulp like swallow and she's like, you know, I have lots of new friends, old friends. I have one ex fiance here.

[Courtney]

Sierra's like, gross, that's growth. Carl would never. But I wish he would have been like, that's me. Like I wish he would have played into it. He just felt so uncomfortable because he was like, I can't believe she invited me here. And then he's like, oh God, two mentions in a speech. Like, I can't escape this.

[Mary]

He did get the thank you text though. And when he talked about Lindsay Hubbard's name popping up on his phone, he's like, it was jarring, it was scary. I didn't know what I was opening up.

[Courtney]

Carl does not have the messages. Do you have on your phone where it'll say Courtney Frame imessage or do you have where it shows my message imessage? Oh, I have the message.

[Mary]

I know. I feel like that's very dangerous.

[Courtney]

Why? What am I getting sent it?

[Mary]

People can read your messages.

[Courtney]

Well, why are you talking so much shit?

[Mary]

I'm not talking shit. I just don't want people to read my messages.

[Courtney]

See, my thing is though is I don't always want to open my messages. So when I can see what it is, I know if I need to respond to it or if I can like let it sit for a minute. So I like being able to see that and then I silence the, the messages that I never care about what they say in it. So I don't even get, get a notification about it because it's just muted in my messages. I think it's crazy people that put imessage. I guess I'm just trusting. I guess I'm just a good person who doesn't talk badly about people so I'm not worried who would see a message.

[Mary]

I I think it is risky, risky business.

[Courtney]

Well, I think you would think that if you're talking bad in your messages.

[Mary]

I was also a teacher for 15 years. I don't want children reading my messages.

[Courtney]

Oh please. Look, just say you talk shit.

[Mary]

Well, we know I do that.

[Courtney]

Okay, let's take one more break and come back.

[Mary]

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[Courtney]

needed more of an intro to Scott. I wanted to see him here and then I wanted to see like a one on one lunch or something with him. He seems lovely. I also thought between meeting Scott and then Mia telling a little bit more of her backstory at the lunch with Amanda and Lindsay, I was like oh wow, this is a really non conventional relationship for her of what she's like looking for.

[Mary]

I'm very worried. I'm super worried. I don't think we know enough about him but I'm worried that she had to make a contract. I'm worried that that the contract says you can't be gone for more than 10 days at a time. I like that she set those boundaries.

[Courtney]

What bothers you about that, though? I want to ask this because I don't actually think that's crazy.

[Mary]

I think 10 days is way too long to go without seeing each other.

[Courtney]

No, I know, but when he's opening a restaurant, I feel like he could be gone three weeks at a time. And then when he has a day off, he doesn't fly back or do whatever. So she's saying 10 days because you're doing what you need to do. Like, that's the math.

[Mary]

Ex. It feels like this is going to be hard to have kids with someone that is gone that much.

[Courtney]

Lindy asked the question, she didn't answer, but Lindsay was like, how long have you guys been together? And I don't know how long they've been together. Has this always been what their relationship has been like? Because she's in real estate, it sounds like she might only be able to do real estate in New York, so she maybe doesn't have as many opportunities to fly, especially on a weekend. When comes to it is that's the biggest time for real estate with open houses and selling, but also the biggest

[Mary]

time for restaurants, too. I'm sure he works on the weekends.

[Courtney]

You're right. You're right. So maybe Monday, Tuesday really is their weekend and works for them. I want the best for Mia. I love Mia so hard. And watching this episode with Sierra talking about her house, Mia talking about her background, which is that her dad passed when she was 22. And then like a year and a half ago, her mom had passed. And I thought her and Sierra really are sisters. Sierra has kind of a tough relationship with her mom. We got to meet her this week and then obviously doesn't talk to her dad. That I was like, I love that they live in the same building together. And I really think that they are each other's people.

[Mary]

I love their relationship. But I am worried about Scott. I just, I think there's some red flags and I want the best for Mia. When Lindsay said, so, do you have a timeline?

[Courtney]

It was tough for her to cough that word out. Out.

[Mary]

And then she was like, well, you know, you can pay for a village. Which honestly, most people have to do now. Most people, I think both parents work now.

[Courtney]

It's tough.

[Mary]

When Mia says that she wants to have a baby because she thinks it would heal her. I was like, oh, my God. Because she wants to have that mother daughter relationship that she's missing and she Just feels like she has so much love to give. And I just hope. Hope that if she's super in love with Scott and he's going to be at home more, then great. But it made me nervous. It made me nervous.

[Courtney]

What I also loved when she's about having a baby to give her love to. And then Lindsay could so relate. I was like, this is a friendship. I also want to happen is Mia and Lindsay. And it's really been nice to see Lindsay bond so much more with the women this season. There's just something so different about Lindsay this season. But there's just her being able to say, I don't talk to my mom. The feeling you're talking about, I completely understand. I don't know. I just, like, loved it.

[Mary]

I'm excited to see Lindsay on the city. Yeah, this was fun, this lunch. But I just don't think Lindsay fits into summer house at all anymore. She's so ready for the next phase. But I also want to see her dating. When she said that comment, what's your name? He's like, Paulo from Columbia. She's like, like, I had a nice night with Apollo from Columbia. And then the. The guy goes, I hope he was good.

[Courtney]

I was like, how can you not love her?

[Mary]

I know. Okay, let's talk about Sierra and her mom. I felt like that came out of nowhere. I was very shocked to see her mom on camera. The way that Sierra got her house is pretty crazy. So she basically had to create a trust with a different name so that she could buy it from her family without them knowing.

[Courtney]

I. I watched that scene twice, and I laughed both times just at her delivery of it. So I told my accountant I wanted to buy this house, and we got a real estate agent, and then I got a trust. And then I got another llc. And then the real estate agent, my attorney then went there, we put in an offer, they denied it. Then we put in a higher offer, and then I got it. And they still have no idea it's me. But they will now because they're watching this show.

[Mary]

I am very interested to see how that goes down. I'm sure we'll hear about that at the reunion.

[Courtney]

I also am just so proud of Sierra, too, because, okay, I was thinking about him, like, what if Sierra was having a bad season? I think she's just had such a fantastic season. She feels so much herself. She's doing all these things with her life, and she's just, like, progressing forward. And to see her buying this house, we get to go to the House. How often are we doing that? They literally flew a camera crew to North Carolina so that we could see this process of her renovating the house while also, you know, preserving it the way that her grandparents would want to. I loved this scene so much because I was like, thank God she's doing all these things and we get to see this and that people get to see her for, like the amazing person that she is because it would be really hard to have to see her struggling during this season because we want the best for her. And so seeing her doing all these things, I'm like, God, I'm just so happy that she has all of these different outlets that she's living her life through. She's thriving 100%. Her mom was like, you know, he's gonna have to know at some point. I think at the reunion we will find out. Sierra, you bought a house, like, oh, now your dad knows what happened. And I kind of love how she did it too, where she was like, I don't want any special treatment. I don't want him to sell it to me for like $1. It was just like, I loved this house. I have the means to own it. And it could be an opening if she ever wanted to reconcile with her dad. And it could also be, I think, from his persp perspective, I hope that he sees of like, wow, I'm proud of my daughter.

[Mary]

I'll be very curious what his final reaction was when he finds out that she was a person to buy it.

[Courtney]

Let's go into the following weekend.

[Mary]

Okay, so this is really interesting. Carl on the ride up tells everyone he is just having a tough time with Kyle because Kyle didn't reach out to him. It was the five year anniversary of his brother's passing. And it also links up with Lindsay's birthday. Kyle posted a happy birthday to Lindsay on Instagram, but never reaches out to Carl the same day. Also, I'm like, Kyle, in your mind, how did those two things not come together? I even remember that, you know what I mean? The timeline of it. So Carl is really upset because it's one thing not to hear from him. But then on top of it, he posts a Lindsay happy birthday Instagram him. So he's. He's super upset and he tells the house and west goes to Kyle and fills him in and Kyle immediately just starts making excuses and Wes is like, stop. Definitely don't lead with you had laundry that day and an important phone call. Just say you forgot and apologize. And don't say, but Carl says too,

[Courtney]

he's like, Jesse reached out. He wasn't even there that summer. I love knowing too that Carl and Sierra have such a relationship outside of this. When Sierra brought up, she's like, by the way, I talked to Lindsay about that text message. I'm like, oh, that's because Carl told Sierra Lindsay had sent a text message. And then I also wondered too, did Lindsay send a text message thanking for the book and also about his brother? And then I thought, I wonder if Amanda did. And I wonder if Amanda purposely didn't remind Kyle. Not because she needs to remind Kyle.

[Mary]

I would be curious if Amanda sent him a text. I'm not sure. Yeah.

[Courtney]

But all Kyle needed to do is be like, I'm so sorry, I forgot. I don't need you to tell, you know that Lindsay would get upset if I didn't post anything for your birthday. He literally just needs to be like, tail between his legs. I'm so sorry. That was terrible of me. You're right. I was one of the first people you came to. I can't believe I forgot. Yeah, I've been preoccupied. But that I should never forget about that. I'm really sorry. Don't say why you couldn't say it, why you didn't say it. Just say you're sorry.

[Mary]

Well, I think it was really telling when Carl was like, well, I know how Amanda feels. He wouldn't care about any of us if this house was burning down. He would take out his DJ shit, get his equipment. And Carl wants to go off on him. He wants to say fuck you. But he also apparently needs a line and a bottle of rose to do that. He wants to rage on Kyle. But Kyle making the excuse like, well, and also like, you do a lot of cool shit and like you never invite me to those things. I'm like, kyle, not the time. What are you talking about? At the end of the day, it shows who your real friends are when you're going through hard times and difficult times and yeah, did Kyle have a bad summer? Of course. But I'm sorry, this is non negotiable. You check on your friends when things like this happen and you have to remember these days.

[Courtney]

Yeah. And the thing is, is like, I understand if Kyle forgot. I'm sure he has 150,000 things that are going on. He's trying to save his marriage, he's trying to save his company and, and unfortunately he's let his friendships go to the wayside while he's trying to do all of this. And he's just like, has like Tunnel vision of doing this. He just needed to say, I'm sorry. It's starting to build up with Carl and he's getting this resentment for Kyle, which I think then escalates and culminates into the fight between the two of them at the end of this season. At a certain point, Kyle's gonna become his bitch eating crackers. Like, anything Kyle does is just going to piss Carl off because Carl also is such a people pleaser. He doesn't want people to be upset. And instead of just saying, I'm really upset with you, he, like, doesn't want any friction between him and Kyle because he'll say too, I know Kyle's going through a really hard time, and he'll set aside his feelings because of that. It's. It's actually kind of crazy because this whole Wes and Amanda thing has really united the rest of them through this, which is insane at the end of the day, but you're watching all. All this, almost watching it. Like, you guys are gonna be okay. You will have to weather the storm, and there is going to be a huge thing that's going to rock all of you, but at the end of the day, it's going to bring you all closer together. And look, you're a mess, Carl, but I'm going to help you through it.

[Mary]

Okay, then. The other thing that was really wild is Ben is annoyed at Amanda because Amanda told Sabrina everyone in the house thinks he's in love with her. Me and Sabrina obviously did not like that. When Ben pulls Amanda, she knows what is coming. She's like, oh, no. I said that weird comment to Sabrina. And then it just made me think, oh, my God, she's such a pick me. And I only think this because I know what happened. I would never have thought this weeks ago. And I'm just like, why would she say that? That is so strange. Like, what was your intention?

[Courtney]

Well, then I thought too, was she saying like, oh, my God, I'm so glad to finally meet you, because everybody in the house was saying he was in love with me, but obviously he's in love with you or something? Like, no, no.

[Mary]

That's so weird.

[Courtney]

I know. I guess I'm trying to look at it as a lens of what we know, but I don't want to know. Like, this is just my silly little show and nothing bad has happened in the real world of these relationships. So I tried to think, like, was she just trying to be silly? Because what a weird thing to say to somebody's girlfriend. Although, are they girlfriend Boyfriend. What's the timeline, Benjamin?

[Mary]

Also, how many times has Amanda been in hot water on the show? Not that many.

[Courtney]

I'd say the cheating stuff mostly with Kyle them ruining the house vibes because her and Kyle are fighting. But I'd say her and Jules had some drama. She started that with Luke with that ended with I don't like you. We had the Hannah stuff. That's why they're not friends. And then there was some Lindsay drama too. But realistically, her plot point has always been Kyle focus. Never really other housemates.

[Mary]

Right? And she's always the good one because it's always her. It's always her and Kyle, so. And it's their fighting.

[Courtney]

17 page email. Mary.

[Mary]

She's never really been in like a ton of hot water by herself without

[Courtney]

ever had to defend herself on her own. She's either had Kyle to do it for her or Paige and Hannah or Sierra. She's never had to fight a battle alone. And it will be interesting for the reunion if they come in as a collective twosome or if they're going to try to save themselves at or expense of the other.

[Mary]

Or are Kyle and Amanda coming as a united front, dating each other again to the reunion based on nothing. Based on nothing.

[Courtney]

In my mind, I was like, they could get back together. But then you see how fiercely loyal Kyle is to Sierra. And it was that scene where they were talking about the fifth wheel and Kyle was like, oh, Sierra's gonna be the fifth wheel. And Amanda's like, no, it's you, Kyle. Him and Sierra look at each other, start laughing. And then he even says to Sierra, I will sit in the awkward chair. And I know that's such a small comment and doesn't mean anything, but I think he was really saying, like, I would love for you to ever come out with us, Sierra. You're never the fifth wheel when you come out with us. And I think that's also why it bothered him so hard when he snapped at the table in the beginning of the season because she said, like, is this play about us? You know, is this dinner about us? He is so loyal to Sierra too, that I wonder if getting back together with her, if that is on the table. What do you think?

[Mary]

Think I. I cannot wait for this reunion. I wish it was on the 15th. It sounds like it's gonna be like on the 23rd. I. I just. I'm so curious what the direction the show's gonna go in also, I mean, think about this week. Like, we didn't get any west this week. Jesse, even kj, which is kind of crazy. Next week is gonna be nuts. West is hooking up with someone in front of Sierra.

[Courtney]

It was in front of our eyes, Mary, the whole time.

[Mary]

Carl wants to rage on Kyle and he needs the ros and align to do it.

[Courtney]

Okay, so the in the City trailer just came out right now. The premiere date is May 19, which is six Tuesdays from now. It does seem like they might be driving from that season finale. That must be the 519 season finale of Summer House into In the City. This is giving me some such the Valley vibes.

[Mary]

So the Valley, lots of new couples, lots of new faces. Familiar faces is Danielle, who apparently is dating a married man.

[Courtney]

Funny coming from Amanda too, being like, he's got a whole ass wife. And I'm like, little do you know what's coming? Unless you already know because you started it. Then. Okay, I don't know.

[Mary]

Then we see west in the trailer meeting up with Amanda. Then I thought the trailer would have more Kyle and Amanda, to be honest, we. Which is maybe refreshing. It's only at the end her saying to someone, do you know how many times he cheated on me? She says, who was in our apartment last night?

[Courtney]

We don't have a prenup. Amanda says to Kyle, she says, if you come for me, I'll come for you. And Kyle says, well, that'll be a losing battle. And Amanda responds, is that a threat? I think they reworked this trailer because I do think it was going to be obviously very Amanda and Kyle centric about separating. But based on all the other couples that we have in here, I'm not worried about it. I love seeing Andrea and Lexi. They're trying to have a baby and go to that next stage of life. Thank God he has an underwear scene in his bed. That's our hot hall of fame winner right there. For like the 100th year in a row, Gavin is going to be drama. Gavin does not seem to be in a couple, but he is here to start. I kind of love it. Lindsay's friends Yvonne and Nick, Are they married or not? Isn't that public record?

[Mary]

There's a lot happening in that trailer, and it looks like the people are going to go after Lindsay as well. Someone's talking about, I am sick of bowing down to Lindsay Hubbard.

[Courtney]

I'm like, is that the Janet of the group? Will she be the Janet?

[Mary]

I can't wait.

[Courtney]

I think this still looks good. You were saying you don't want to watch it? I said, I think if they focus on the other people. It will be a good show.

[Mary]

I thought there would be a lot more filmmak familiar faces and I think I was shocked by the amount of new couples. It seems like a very big cast.

[Courtney]

I love it. I'm excited for it. And then I think obviously they're going to probably rework some of it with obviously featuring West. You know, as you said, there was a Kyle and Carl scene filmed at softbar. Are they talking about the separation? There's. This is gonna be good. May 19th.

[Mary]

I wonder how much she's going to expose color Kyle.

[Courtney]

Well, when she has that confessional, she said so do you want to know what happened? It sounds like there was a specific event that happened that really ended it all. And she's like, I hooked up with West. Kidding. Could you imagine? That's what it was. I feel like they were almost wanting us to believe that, but I'm like, oh my God, that sounds like Summer house season finale will be the 19th. We'll leave the summer house, we'll drive back into the city and we're kicking off a new show.

[Mary]

Show exciting time.

[Courtney]

Glad we caught this at the end of the pod. We'll see you tomorrow.

[Mary]

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