Mary (3:37)

This is Mary from the Bay and it's Courtney from la. And look, we're attached to this story. We're attached to the story. It feels like we have to do a mini update every single day because we're like, what has come out? What's going on since yesterday?

Courtney (3:53)

So much happened though.

Mary (3:56)

I kind of feel like it was really centered around this three part series that Kyle had given a. Oh, accidentally ran into this guy on the street even though he's the same guy that I talked to when we put out our separation statement. But how did he find me again?

Courtney (4:12)

It's so funny. I don't understand why he has this relationship with this Adam Glenn person. And Adam also talked to Andy yesterday. Did you see that video?

Mary (4:23)

Oh, I did not. Can you fill me in?

Courtney (4:25)

Okay, the Andy video is super short and Andy actually mentions on Watch what happens live last night that this is so big that he dropped off Bennett's school and TMZ was at the school outside. That's how crazy this is.

Mary (4:40)

Wait, that's actually pretty gross of TMZ to come to a child's school to get scoop.

Courtney (4:46)

Then Adam interviews Andy and Andy is trying to hail a cab. And in my mind, obviously Kyle and Adam decided to do this. This is the exact same person when they do the divorce statement. So then it like made me think, did Andy call him white? I. I was a little bit weirded out that Adam was able to get in touch with Kyle and Andy.

Mary (5:16)

Especially when Andy has his platform of watch what happens live.

Courtney (5:20)

Yes. So Andy was very brief with him and was like he found out like everyone else did and he feels bad for everyone involved and Andy just kept on saying, you know as much as I do and that type of thing. Also interesting in the three part series from Kyle is Kyle said Andy has not reached out to him at all.

Mary (5:43)

What is Andy supposed to say?

Courtney (5:46)

Maybe just a check in text or I'm thinking about you or. This is a lot.

Mary (5:52)

I understand what you're saying, but I feel like for Andy, he. Sure. He feels for everybody. I think he's, from a business perspective is like, what the fuck?

Courtney (6:02)

The stress level for the people editing the city has to be so high at this point. I'm. The entire city season was gonna be about the separation. It was gonna be about the divorce. It was gonna be about moving out. And Kyle says in this video, he's like, basically, like, at the reunion, he's gonna clear up the timeline of the separation. He keeps on saying it was a little bit murky because, you know, they were pretending at BravoCon they were together, and it. I feel like she was already moved out at that point. They're gonna clear things up.

Mary (6:37)

The announcement of the separation, while it was like, the end of January, beginning of February, before the season started, didn't mean that's the day they separated. No.

Courtney (6:46)

And she said on watch what happens live. She was vague about it. She's like, I don't know. Was it October, November? She was trying to figure it out.

Mary (6:53)

Well, we can't believe a word she says now, Mary.

Courtney (6:57)

It feels like it was definitely more the beginning of October.

Mary (7:01)

So I asked this question yesterday, and I'd love to ask you what you would choose. Okay, so if you had the opportunity to be dropped into one of these three different areas, would you choose the summer house group chat sans Weston Amanda? Would you like to be dropped into west and Amanda's texts, or would you like to be in the Bravo production email threads?

Courtney (7:25)

B. Weston Amanda's texts?

Mary (7:28)

Wow. Okay. Why?

Courtney (7:31)

Because I want to read the texts when they were hooking up.

Mary (7:34)

You want the timeline?

Courtney (7:36)

Yes. I also feel like they maybe hooked up under 10 times. I wonder how many times.

Mary (7:43)

So sober.

Courtney (7:44)

I wonder how many times it happened. Overall, I just feel like this was a fun little fling and not a major relationship, and they got caught, and now they have to get married.

Mary (8:00)

They're moving to New Jersey, and they're popping out some kids, and she's Amanda Wilson. Just kidding.

Courtney (8:06)

The more and more I think about it at the reunion, they're not gonna come together as a couple at all. They. It's gonna be very broken off. You have a theory?

Mary (8:19)

Well, okay. I didn't get to answer mine.

Courtney (8:21)

Oh, I'm sorry.

Mary (8:22)

Sorry.

Courtney (8:23)

I got excited.

Mary (8:28)

Okay. So while I want to be a part of the summer house group chat, I think a lot of that is trying to piece the timeline. I think you're right in the west and Amanda. But I actually want to be in the Bravo production email threads because obviously everybody's watching this season now with a different eye. I still am going with, but, you know, once you say something in conviction, it doesn't actually mean that there's any truth to it. But I still don't believe it happened last summer. I still think this is something that's recent, Only a few months. But from the Bravo production aspect, I'd love to know what's going on with the reunion. I'd love to know if they're trying to figure out in the city. I'd love to know if they're trying to piece the timeline themselves. What's great about what's going on is you and I, we could team up. You could fill me in on the text messages. I'll fill you in on Bravo production. We just need one more person in that summer house group chat, and we've got the full 360. Okay. But my theory is, especially after watching the three parts of this video of Kyle with Adam Glenn, is Kyle and Amanda are getting back together.

Courtney (9:35)

When you said that, I was like, oh, my God, absolutely not. But then the wheels started churning because the way Kyle is in this video, he is really sticking up for Amanda. He is really worried about her mental health, really worried about her cyberbullying. He cannot imagine that West Wilson has gained 50,000 followers in the last couple of days. He is disgusted by it, incensed by it.

Mary (10:07)

Who? This guy lied to everyone, and you want to follow him? What kind of person is that? Now, to be fair, west has started to lose followers today. So Kyle's message was delivered.

Courtney (10:21)

I also. Did he get in trouble, Kyle, for doing this? What about the gag order?

Mary (10:26)

I don't think he really revealed anything, to be honest. In this video, he's saying, I don't know what the timeline is. Obviously, I'm getting DMs that are saying anywhere from last June to a few months ago. He didn't really say anything. He's not going to speak on Sierra's behalf. I mean, he did say, carl's a mess.

Courtney (10:44)

I know.

Mary (10:47)

Like, Carl's so upset by this. Obviously, everybody's feeling the betrayal of it. You know, they ask, when did you find out? Did you find out over the weekend? Like, and he's like, I think Sierra had more evidence, but I'm not gonna tell hers. Like, she let me figure it out. I'm gonna let her tell her story. So it wasn't like he was giving details of anything, but we Said this yesterday. Best introduced Amanda to his family and it's serious. And then Kyle tells us Wes introduced him to his family too, and they rode horses together. Wes is just introducing anyone to family.

Courtney (11:20)

I also, I think Wes mom must be pissed at him.

Mary (11:25)

Well, both of his parents, I think both because they said they're worried about him making an of himself. He said that since the beginning of joining this show. I can only just imagine too is like she is this obgyn. He's always spoken on like the feminist label. And then to see all of this and it's like you just have disappointment. I'm sure of this at such a high scale of what's happening.

Courtney (11:52)

Right. And speaking about Ciara, apparently today TMZ is reporting that Ciara discovered the video of west and Amanda before they confirmed the romance. The star obtained a video allegedly showing Amanda and Wes being intimate in his apartment. Something that left her upset. Were told neither Amanda nor Wes knew they were being recorded.

Mary (12:16)

That peeping Tom. That's gross. That's gross.

Courtney (12:19)

But interesting. It's at his apartment.

Mary (12:22)

So that's what I had actually heard too. So then. So I think when they said somebody saw them, that it was someone across the way that noticed Amanda was like walking around in her underwear or something in West's apartment. That's the video apparently that Sierra saw when she met up with someone. This whole thing is crazy because I'm like, that's actually so invasive and disgusting to tape or record or capture someone in their underwear or in this level of intimacy. Which. What. That's probably maybe why we'll never see that video because gross. That's disgusting. But I had also heard with. And we mentioned yesterday that something was getting weird because she shut off her location. Was that. Is this true or not? But that Sierra had seen Amanda was at West's apartment and then like 15 hours later was still there and sent a text like, what's going on? And Amanda responded with, oh, ha, we're just friends. And then Sierra had responded, just friends or friends that hook up. And then it took Amanda a while to respond. It's not just a hookup. There's something more.

Courtney (13:27)

Oh, daggers to the heart.

Mary (13:31)

Is this real or not? I don't know. So I'm saying this is an alleged rumor, but I just can't imagine being able to put the pieces together. And you know, she's enlisting people too. Like, she's probably calling page saying like, what the. Like calling Mia. What the. Like, people are just trying to figure out. And I keep Thinking about that first we feast thing, Remember I kept saying, mia's not having it with Wes. Like, the question was, who will have, like the most to apologize for? And she said West. And Lindsay was like, wait, why Wes? And she's like, he just always has something to apologize for. And I thought had to find my friends situation already happened. And she knew. And it's like, okay, you're saying you're just friends, which, sure, you can be sure. But it's just sus.

Courtney (14:18)

Super sus.

Mary (14:19)

What do you think about my theory about Kyle and Amanda getting back together, though? Because we didn't finish that thought process over there.

Courtney (14:27)

I think it's really nice that Kyle has been in contact with her. He did feel sincere. I know there could be a little bit put upon because he wants to look good, but at the same time, they have over a decade relationship together and I feel like she is really alone right now.

Mary (14:48)

I'm hoping when it comes down to it is like, Sierra for me is the most important person in this that deserves all the support, all the love, all the people who are like, putting her up and making sure she's okay. I mean, I think we said yesterday too was like, I just hope everyone's okay mentally in this situation. I also think that people are going to be talking about it and are going to be forming opinions around it. And I think what Kyle was trying to say, why is she getting the heat and Wes isn't getting anything? You know, why is it that, like, she's gonna lose followers and west is gaining. Who is finding the good in west and the bad in Amanda? And it's like, welcome to the patriarchy, Kyle. That's. That's always seemingly how it goes. But Kyle, besides the history he has with Amanda in this video, is more pissed at the fact that west had duped him so badly. He's like, we were so close. I don't think people realize the relationship that west and I had besides Amanda. They had that scarf collab that they were doing together, trips that they had taken. He said, again, they were on the

Courtney (15:59)

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Mary (16:02)

He is pissed at the level of betrayal. And I think he's also pissed too, because he said in the third part, I think it was. He was talking about the show, about the cardier watch, and he's like, all of those interviews happened in September and after the season. So he's not only, you know, commenting at the time of saying that I'm being a jerk, I'm doing this and whatever. But then he's going in there and accusing me of the cheating part and buying this one. Watch. So he's doubling down on this and I'm sure Kyle's trying to figure out what the timeline is too and is like he's playing in my face.

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Mary (20:03)

What do you think the text said?

Courtney (20:06)

I'm sorry, I. I didn't want it to come to this. I'm sorry you had to find out this way. You're still my bro. I don't know. I don't know. But I think it's really interesting because Kyle like alluded to re watching and noticing how checked out she was. And then he's like, I feel like looking at their body language and I think it's interesting that he is questioning the timeline and he has got DMS that say maybe this happened in June. He's like, I always get weird DMS though. So I'm like, was this brewing sexual tension for a really long time? Which is so funny too because they've been trying to angle that at Ben this entire season.

Mary (20:50)

F my mite's Mrs. The wrong guy was effing his mates Mrs. The wrong guy.

Courtney (20:55)

So that's really uncomfortable. I would love to know if Carl has reached out to Amanda because I feel like he has a relationship with both Kyle and Amanda and he married them. And I also feel like Carl out of anyone knows about making like poor decisions and choices and someone that's come out on the other side of that. So I wonder if he has like any empathy or sympathy or.

Mary (21:22)

He's a mess. He's a mess. He's in LA right now. Mia and him. I'm not sure what they're doing, but they're staying at the same hotel. I feel like Carl feels this so deeply because we're still waiting to see that Kyle and Carl fight. And it almost sounds like it could be in defense of Amanda. I think betrayal is such a big deal in this. They are a family. In the last episode, Kyle literally cheers when it's to Sierra saying to keeping it in the family, Referencing Sierra with her buying her grandfather's house. But also, what a double entendre that is right there too. Who knew? I still am. Of the ilk that it was. They were maybe had something emotional. Amanda was able to, like, lean on west. And she's playing, she's hanging out with the guys, she's going out with the group. She's being this different version of herself. And then once that separation had, she was like, I'm gonna light the world on fire. I don't give a. Like, her self esteem is in the gutter. She's the queen of self sabotage. People are like, do you think they even thought about. And you know, and I said this too, because professionally, did they think about what would happen? And I'm like, at the end of the day, I don't think they thought about any of that. I don't think they had no care in the world. They were having fun keeping this secret. They're good friends. I was wondering, is Amanda pushing for a relationship? Is Wes trying to figure out?

Courtney (22:41)

I. I honestly think it happened one night, and then they were like, this can never happen again. Like, take this to the grave. Then it happened again, and it kept kind of happening, and they really didn't think about the repercussions. And to me, it's everyone's jobs on the line, like the city. And even in this interview, Kyle talks to the guy about the city was giving us an option not to do Summer house, so if we wanted to have kids, we could just stay on the city. And now he's like, well, maybe I will be on Summer house because I am single. And then I'm like, will they get back together? You just put that in my mind. And maybe. And do I want that? I don't even know anymore. I don't know what I want. It's just. Just. I'm so confused right now. And the reunion is just gonna be insane.

Mary (23:36)

Well, okay, so I also was thinking about the reunion, and I was dming with somebody about this too. I was like, was this also, like, a soft launch for Amanda to not come to the reunion? Maybe she checks herself into a mental health facility and loopholes getting out of the reunion. I also was thinking, who's going to defend her here? It feels very much that like Kyle's going to send like a 17 page email to the cast saying to focus their energy on Wes. Amanda can't handle this. Feels like Kyle's still going to be defending her. And I thought, okay, if Amanda doesn't come to the reunion, does Wes come to the reunion? West is so concerned about how the public views him. I can't see him missing the reunion. But I just need to know what path the two of them are taking. Like you said, I don't think they're arriving together. I think it's over at this point. And I think for the two of them, it's probably the best thing is for it to be over because if they don't get married, what are they trying to do here? The joint statement was for a situationship and then like seeing fan reaction. But I have to say, because you brought up about what's the future of the shows with Kyle. First off, that man is a hustler. He is in a lover boy shirt. He's first and the dogs are going nuts. He's got both the dogs. I don't even know where Amanda is. He's picking up dog shit and holding it for five plus minutes, literally.

Courtney (24:56)

The. The dogs will just start viciously barking at people and he'll be like, race, God damn it, race. Race. It's actually hysterical. But he brings up in the video, how can the group film together at this point? And. And I think that has made Summer House what it is because it is genuine friendships and fun. Summer should be fun. But at this point, they could not film with this same cast at all. Something big has to change.

Mary (25:31)

Do you think that there is a way for the group to come back if they could somehow forgive Amanda and cut west out? That's what I was trying to figure out because Kyle is so, so mad at West. Like, he is livid. He hates this man, hates him. And to be fair, it also sounds like in this video I took from it is that it sounds like west has somewhat turned on Amanda. Not turned, but is trying to keep distance away. It's not a Bonnie and Clyde, us against them. It's kind of like, you know, I think we need to take some distance because the way that he's just describing, at least from Amanda's perspective, sounds like they're not together right now. And Kyle wants to just focus how much he hates west, where he's like, I don't think Wes should come back to the summer house. Kyle is trying to figure out how to save the show while also winning in this aspect too. I also thought it was funny that he was wearing a Celsius hat, because I'm like, is he trying to, like, advertise, like, lover boy on his shirt? Celsius on his hat, Like Celsius? Do you want to buy lover boy? Oh, do you want, like, I'm telling you, like, I feel like the man was hustling the whole time. He's trying to save two shows.

Courtney (26:39)

Yeah.

Mary (26:39)

And his business. And I thought he came off so well in this interview where I'm like, I cannot believe this man who called his wife a dumb is gonna come out of this unscathed.

Courtney (26:51)

I. It's truly wild. So there's scenario one. Wes gets fired. Kyle gets to go back to the summer house, and then that leaves us with. Is he actually going to reconcile with Amanda to re date? Are they friends? What's going to happen there? That's a question mark there. Okay, then scenario two, Scenario two, Kyle just comes back. No. West and Amanda. Number three, Amanda and Wes come back as a couple in the summer house.

Mary (27:29)

Someone's got to be in that primary.

Courtney (27:34)

Scenario four, Summer house is over.

Mary (27:36)

You guys.

Courtney (27:37)

Also, in other breaking news, the house is up for sale.

Mary (27:42)

It really is like a restart. Could I say something, though? Uhhuh. This could save Carl's job.

Courtney (27:50)

Okay, tell me more. Tell me more.

Mary (27:52)

He's not in the city. We know he's not a cast member there. If they have to take west out and Amanda out, there's two spots to fill right now. Could it be Ky, Kyle and Carl? Does Lindsay come back? I mean, because Kyle's saying this in the video too, right? Is, as you mentioned, in the city was that next phase of life. You know, Lindsay is killing it. And as a mom, it's like, it's so crazy to the relationship because we have to talk about Lindsay and Kristen Doty.

Courtney (28:18)

You mean Detective Dodie and Sherlock Hubbard.

Mary (28:22)

Imagine the conversation. Imagine the conversation going back to the summer house is like, at this point, if Wes comes back, who's filming with them? I think Jesse. Jesse apparently was allegedly at the gym today and told someone. He thinks it's a little bit blown out of proportion. You know, Wes seemingly really likes her, and timeline's a lot more chiller than what everybody thinks. It's really happened recently. And then Lindsay comments on that. I was like, isn't Jesse in Miami? I am picturing Dodie and Hubbard sitting at a bar, just. Just chugging wine and being like, can you imagine? Because also, what's crazy too Is if you want to compare it, this really is kind of the Stassi Jax, Kristen sandoval from season 2. Except the social media was not as big as it was.

Courtney (29:11)

Right. And Kristen Doty was on watch what happens last night and she didn't really understand the gravity of the situation. She isn't really in the mix. So obviously Lindsay Hubbard completely filled her in yesterday and got her to do that video.

Mary (29:27)

Yeah, well. And Kristen also was like, I don't even want to talk about because everybody will bring up Kristen. What did you do in the past? He's like, I'm just like team Sierra. Like, I feel for Sierra. You know, Kristen's had so much growth since 14 years ago. She said.

Courtney (29:40)

And the guest on was heym Alana Heim.

Mary (29:44)

Yep. Big Bravo girly.

Courtney (29:46)

And she's a Taylor girly. So then it made me think, does Taylor Swift know about this? I bet she does.

Mary (29:55)

How big of national news is this? I had got a USA today alert, you know, a notification on my phone that was like, summer house scandal. Let's break it down. Like, what today is writing articles on this. Like, it's so crazy and so crazy.

Courtney (30:12)

Also, it's the west side story. That's what we're calling out. It's not Scamanda.

Mary (30:16)

Okay. No, that's Amanda Francis Escamanda was Scandal and it's west side story. And whoever came up with that. You're a genius. You are a genius. Even Jules is chiming in from season four because Amanda was really mean to her and I was like, I mean, she's not, like, wrong. But also, Jules, not the time.

Courtney (30:36)

Not the time, Jules. That's so embarrassing.

Mary (30:38)

Not the time. I just need to know. We gotta find that third person who wants to jump into the summer house text soon to get that full 360. And I don't even know if we'll get a full timeline ever. Like, when it came to scandival, they tried to say it was only, what, seven months? And the rest of us can look back and be like, no way this is going further. Like, I don't know if we'll ever get straight answers. Although you brought up a good point yesterday and you brought up Wes blindsiding Amanda at the reunion. I think now Amanda has Kyle on her side. I. I think for Kyle, there's also a level of guilt too, because he clearly played a part in the breakdown of their marriage. So then I'm sure he's thinking, did I make her run into somebody else's arms? I had this history with her. I clearly love her. Like, almost honestly, the reason I think they could get back together is I could see them both being like, okay, clean slate. I fucked up all these times. I cheated. I did this. Okay, you did this and we were separated. Let's just call it a clean slate and start over.

Courtney (31:39)

It is nice to see him coming to her defense. Like, like, this woman is not well right now.

Mary (31:45)

He could have, like, also maybe said that for, like, Sierra, too. I'm upset for her because her status on the show is actually really questioned because it all depends on the bubble that she wants to feel. Is she comfortable enough going to the summer house?

Courtney (31:58)

Yeah, that's a good point.

Mary (32:00)

Here's what I would actually love. And I think that they could actually be smart about how they go about this. In a way, keep in the city. I think that that could figure out, especially if we focus on the other people who are cast. Obviously the Amanda, Kyle, Lindsay draw. Right. But it's like we have Andrea, we have other couples who are going to be in. We can use them as the, like, gateway into it, but then focus on the other couples. I would love to see Mia and Sierra and like, KJ have a show and like, keep them in the city, especially because KJ is dating Dara and so it's like he doesn't need to necessarily go to the summer house. I would love to see the three of them be an anchor to a show because Sierra shouldn't have to decide where she's going to go because right now, to me, I would see her leaving and that's not cool because she shouldn't have to leave something because of a situation that other people fucked up for her.

Courtney (32:54)

I mean, the summer house could definitely be Jesse, Mia, kj, Dara, Sierra, Bailey, Carl, Kyle, and they throw in like three new people. No west, no Amanda.

Mary (33:07)

I hope that Sierra isn't affected professionally from this because of their dumb decisions. I hope she gets all the offers in the world. I hope she gets to really decide. Like, maybe they can say, sierra, it's you or Wes. You want to be on it? He's out. Done.

Courtney (33:24)

I would love to hear that. It's going to be based on how this reunion goes. And it would be in Amanda and Wes best interest to come together and figure out the timeline and come in with the facts and you and. And just you have to lay it all out there. And I would not be continuing that with this relationship and move on. That that's like the only way to get out or get married.

Mary (33:56)

Did Kyle set this up to defend Amanda was Amanda. Like, I wish somebody would come to my defense. And Kyle Knight in shining armor was like, I got you. Let me set this up. Let me do this. But realistically, we have not heard a peep from them besides this joint statement. I know that there was the photo of west in the Delta Lounge, but no movement on social, no sightings. Really? Like, it's been so quiet from them. I just can't picture what is happening. And like you said, are they talking to each other? Is he avoiding her? Is she avoiding him? Where are they both? I mean, it's a true. Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego?

Courtney (34:38)

I am very excited if April 15th is the actual reunion day, because I'm sure we'll get some leaks out of that.

Mary (34:45)

It's like tax day. It's summer house reunion day.

Courtney (34:51)

Oh, God, Courtney, I love talking about this with you. It's crazy. It's so crazy. It's so crazy.

Mary (34:58)

We'll let another 24 hours go by and then we'll chat about it again. We'll be back tonight with Rhode island and then we'll see you for Beverly Hills and Southern hospitality tomorrow. Bye, everyone.

Courtney (35:07)

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