TJG: The Real Housewives of Atlanta Season 17 Premiere!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Judgey Girls – "TJG: The Real Housewives of Atlanta Season 17 Premiere!"

Release Date: April 6, 2026
Hosts: Courtney (LA) & Mary (Bay Area)
Episode Focus: The explosive Season 17 premiere of The Real Housewives of Atlanta—new dynamics, cast shake-ups, and early queen bee contenders.

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Episode Overview

Courtney and Mary reunite (virtually) to dive deep into the Season 17 premiere of RHOA, dissecting the fresh cast feuds, shifting alliances, and the new and returning faces who are vying for top billing. The conversation is candid, punchy, and packed with their signature pop culture humor as they weigh in on queen bee campaigns, shade, and standout moments from the new episode.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Season 17 Opens: Cast Changes & The Cynthia Conundrum

• Opening Scene Reaction
  • Courtney: "It is the season 17 of Real Housewives of Atlanta. Seventeen? That is wild. They can see R-rated movies now." (03:00)
  • Both hosts find the Cynthia-centric opening "kitschy" and raise eyebrows about her authenticity as an Atlanta cast member since she mainly lives in LA.
  • Mary: "I don't like when people lie about where they live. Is she lying?" (04:20)
  • Courtney criticizes the forced nature of Cynthia’s involvement and questions her relevance to the current ATL scene.

Phaedra Returns: Family, Romance, and Queen Bee Potential

• Commentary on Phaedra’s opener with her son discussing qualities in a date.
  • "She has to basically be hot. And she's like, what about smart?" (04:36)
• The hosts speculate about Phaedra’s boyfriend status and her potential new position in the group after last season's return.
• Courtney: "Is Phaedra gonna be the queen bee and freaking frack unite?" (12:20)

Angela & Charles—Real, Raw, and Refreshing

• Angela Oakley emerges as a fan-favorite for her authentic, unbothered persona and hilarious dynamic with her husband, Charles ("the cook/the chef").
• Courtney: “There’s something about Angela… No F’s attitude she’s going into this season with.” (05:27)
• Highlight: Angela jokes on Charles' podcast story about being drugged before their wedding, showing their playful “Bickersons” marriage.
• Mary: "I love that she's just calling him out on his shit. She's like, you went on a podcast and said you drank something, and that's why we're married. What is wrong with you?" (07:11)
• Angela’s fan business is discussed (with Courtney jokingly calling her supporters “Fangelas”).

New Blood: K. Michelle Impresses

• K. Michelle is hailed as a likely breakout star for her honesty and vulnerability.
• Mary: "Ooh, I am loving this pudding. K. Michelle... my number one girl." (08:28)
• Her background in reality TV (Queen’s Court, Love & Hip Hop: Atlanta) gives her a tough edge—she bonds with Portia, but tension simmers.
• K. Michelle’s marriage to her dentist, her new country album, and emotional struggles get spotlighted.

Portia’s Party & Romantic Drama

• Portia hosts the first group event in the former marital home, now her own—guests joking about the “ghost of Simon’s past wandering.”
• Courtney: "It was also funny to me because I'm like, I can't even believe we're having a couple's party when Portia's not in a couple. Who is this man?" (24:34)
• The "date on the phone" bit with Drew is roundly mocked (“Where does he live? In the phone. You saw it?” – 26:05), alongside Cynthia’s “man-doll.”
• Portia’s relationship timeline is debated, especially with the man brought as her date—“he comes late and then kind of asserts as the man of the house...the man of Simon's house.” (27:03)

Alliance Shifts, Feuding, and Queen Bee Chess

• The classic RHOA social politics intensify—lines drawn early between Portia, Phaedra, Shamia, K. Michelle, Kelly, Angela, Pinky, and Drew.
  • Shamia’s growing ambition, new rum company, and possible marital troubles stirred speculation.
  • Mary: "Is there trouble in her marriage? ...he wasn't going to go anyway." (16:03)
• Phaedra and Angela’s fallout centers on last season’s “Atlanta Hawks game/tapes” kerfuffle.
  • Courtney: "Phaedra, to me, though, is not a good queen bee either. She can't even get her story straight." (12:28)
• Drew is labeled a chronic flip-flopper, angling to side with whoever’s on top.
  • Courtney: "...Drew is embarrassing. Oh, Phaedra, I. You're gonna be a fan favorite. I want to be on your side." (30:27)
• The hosts identify the group as fractured, with deep cracks between former friends, shifting BFFs, and strategic alignments.

Deep Dives: Pinky, Kelly, and Business Battle Lines

• Pinky (Slutty Vegan owner) is introduced as a major figure in Atlanta but is facing bankruptcy in real time (32:57).
• Courtney questions if restaurant rivalry (Slutty Vegan vs. “her chicken and waffles restaurant”) is fueling underlying drama with Kelly.
• Pinky's declared veganism comes with a signature tagline suggestion: “the only meat I eat is my man's.” (34:04)

Shamia vs. Portia, The Apology Video, and the Quest for Relevance

• Portia and Shamia’s friendship is dissected, with both hosts believing Shamia is ready to burn the bridge while Portia is staying superficially friendly for “the job.”
• Drew and Shamia’s feud is touched on—courtship imposter syndrome, apology videos, and musical rivalry (36:30).
• Courtney predicts Shamia’s “downfall” this season, referencing her ambition overreaching her reality star status.

Queen Bee Watch: Who Will Reign?

• No consensus on a current queen bee.
  • K. Michelle and Shamia noted as contenders.
  • Angela dismissed as “too above it all.”
  • Portia seen as a better sidekick than centerpiece.
  • Courtney: “They're all competing to be the top dog and nobody's there yet.” (40:59)
• The hosts predict that alliances will keep shifting, with K. Michelle expected to emerge as a fan favorite (and perhaps the new HBIC—Head Bitch In Charge).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Courtney (on Cynthia): “It just seems strange. And then she, like, turned around. Now what else is going on? I don't know, Cynthia, you tell me.” (04:36)
• Courtney (on Angela & Charles): “I just think she's so funny. And the Bickersons that they have—it’s not to, like, the Adrian and Paul level…but in, like, a healthy way.” (07:48)
• Mary (on Phaedra's tape bluff): “Her admitting in the confessional that she didn't have the tapes was absolutely hysterical. Like, the timing of it was perfect.” (13:07)
• Courtney (on queen bee politics): “The worst is when they're pretending that everything's okay... at least here they're being honest about who they dislike.” (39:43)
• Mary (on cast drama): “I'm kind of like, with Pinky, I'd be out smoking the cigars, choking on them, because all of this feels very confusing. Everyone is fighting with everyone, and no one wants to be friends.” (37:27)
• Courtney (on group dynamics): “Drew will align with whatever makes most sense for her. So if the majority is Portia-Phaedra, she's trying to make amends with Phaedra, she wants to be on that side.” (38:58)
• Mary (on Pinky): “And she doesn't eat Meat only her man. Yes, she made us aware of that. That should be her tagline.” (34:04)
• Courtney (on the season launch): "I thought the premiere was a stronger premiere than how I felt about last season, to be honest…with this cast, there's a lot that could be happening. I'm excited—we will be watching this." (43:16)

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Key Segment Timestamps

• 03:00: Season 17 kickoff, cast opening critique
• 05:27: Angela Oakley and Charles' dynamic—Angela emerges as host favorite
• 08:28: K. Michelle’s promising debut and reality TV history
• 10:45: Portia’s divorce, finances, and house drama
• 12:20: Queen bee politics and early alliance lines
• 13:07: Phaedra’s tape bluff and confessional
• 15:16: Shamia's business moves, marriage speculation
• 24:34: Portia’s "Mystic Island" party and dating awkwardness
• 28:22: Angela vs Phaedra, Toastgate drama
• 30:52: Feuds rundown—shifting alliances
• 32:57: Pinky’s Atlanta status, business update
• 34:04: Pinky's iconic potential tagline
• 37:27: Fractured cast, Shamia’s ambitious downfall predicted
• 40:06: Who will be queen bee? (Consensus: no current HBIC, but K. Michelle has momentum)
• 43:16: Final thoughts — strong premiere and excited for the season

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Final Thoughts

This episode delivers a fast-paced, in-depth, and shade-filled look at RHOA’s new season, positioning K. Michelle, Angela, and even Pinky as major players to watch. The hosts' chemistry is as sharp as ever, blending roast-worthy humor, nostalgic references, and a keen eye for Bravo politics.

If you've missed the premiere, this recap will leave you primed for every dinner-table blow-up and soon-to-unravel alliance.

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[Courtney]

It's Courtney from LA. And it is the season 17 of Real Housewives of Atlanta. Seventeen? That is wild. They can see R rated movies now. Like the movie that started the episode.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Okay, how do you feel about that opening? Did you think it was gonna be Cynthia?

[Courtney]

I was like, what is happening here? It's a little too kitschy for me if we have to be gimmicky. Is this like a foretelling of the season?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

I also don't love Cynthia being on it because she primarily lives in Los Angeles. So I think she exclusively comes for like eight weeks and films and then goes back to la.

[Courtney]

A la Dolores for Rhode Island. A la Meredith Marks for Salt Lake City.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Yes. I don't like that.

[Courtney]

What, she doesn't have Lake Bailey anymore?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

No, I think she still owns that property. But she's in LA all the time. She primarily lives in la, and I know that because she does her podcast with Crystal. She's on Jeff Lewis all the time. Her daughter lives out there.

[Courtney]

So what you're saying is she's quite available in the LA area?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Yes. I don't like when people lie about where they live.

[Courtney]

Is she lying?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

It feels like it. Angel.

[Courtney]

Oh, Angel.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Meredith.

[Courtney]

I just didn't understand why we were doing this. It just seems strange. And then she, like, turned around. Now what else is going on? I don't know, Cynthia, you tell me. I also love when we start a new season and we figure out who is opening up the season. Like, for this episode, it was Phaedra with her son and they're talking about his homecoming dance and what his qualities are in a date. And she has to basically be hot. And she's like, what about smart?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

And then he's like, you should go for Drake, Mom.

[Courtney]

And then I thought, did she break up with her boyfriend? Which she didn't because he's later in the episode.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

I was. Then it made me think, think, has your son met your boyfriend? I don't know.

[Courtney]

Does he know his mom is dating?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

I. Unclear.

[Courtney]

I know. And then after Phaedra, which I think we had said too, with last season, is we thought that Phaedra came in at the end and had that guarantee for this season. And so it was like, okay, we're opening with her. Then we go to Angela and Charles. And I'm obsessed with Angela. I love her. I think she is actually one of the most honest and open houses housewives of this crew. I don't feel like she's acting for us, even though she is trying to act for the her husband to make sure he likes her. But there's something about Angela that I'm like, I love this. No F's attitude. She's going into this season with, yeah,

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

if you want to make up a rumor that my husband is sleeping with the candy lady, so be it. You want to say he wakes up with pink rollers in his hair, go ahead. Nothing's going to bother me this year. I also think that Charles is hilarious. He doesn't care about the cameras. At one point, she's barbecuing, there's smoke everywhere. And he was known as, like, the cook, the chef last season. And he shows the camera, like, now look at this burger. Like, he looks directly into the camera, all of the office. And I was like, this guy doesn't give a fuck. Which is kind of amazing.

[Courtney]

He's so funny. Because she's concerned, like, oh, God, is the burger gonna be good? He takes a bite and he says it's good. But then he also tells her daughter when she comes out, she's like, can you get me my fan? He's like, can I get some water? Water? Because it might be a little dry. And she's like, make sure the water's clear and not murky. Because on a podcast, Charles said someone slipped something in his drink the night we got married.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

I love that she was calling him out on his shit. She's like, you went on a podcast and said you drank something, and that's why we're married. What is wrong with you?

[Courtney]

And not only that. You're insinuating I did it.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Did she start that fan business?

[Courtney]

Where are the fangelas?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Wait, I genuinely can't remember. You just made that up, right? There is no fan business.

[Courtney]

No, she was telling us last season she was doing a fan business.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Okay? You named it.

[Courtney]

No, no, no. I don't think I named it. I think the fans of Angela's were fangelas, okay? And I am one of them. And I will buy the fan because I know she's staying cool. I love her. I just think she's so funny. And the Bickersons that they have, it's not to, like, the Adrian and Paul level of Bickerson, which it kind of might have look like last season. Now I think their banter is just part of who they are, but in, like, a healthy way. She's like, hug me. Touch my booty. Okay. Like, he's like, okay. I like. I love Charles Oakley. I love Angela. I think she might be my favorite housewife on Atlanta.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Ooh, I am loving this pudding. K. Michelle, I think she's going to be a great addition. She's kind of my number one girl. And I think Beyonce personally invited her to the Cowboy Carter concert. Alla flowers.

[Courtney]

Wow.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Porsha trying to slither her way into that. Kay is like, no, honey, I'm the real deal and you're not coming to the concert with me.

[Courtney]

Porsche is so funny because she's like, you know, they say we look alike. We were like in a movie. I'm like, I don't know that you guys look alike. But sure. K. Michelle is so tiny. I don't know if in Portia, if you noticed when Portia walked into the photo shoot, Portia literally puts her back at like a 90 degree angle from her legs to give her a hug. Like, the way that she hugged her was that she had to go so low down. I was cracking up. Like, Portia is a. K. Michelle is gonna be on my side now. K. Michelle has had reality TV history and is still shocked on what's happening on this show.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Yes. So she has been on the Queen's court and I believe love and hip hop Atlanta. And I think that's what she was talking about how Atlanta is a mean girl city. And she gets really angry with Portia at the end. She starts crying and it feels like people kind of betrayed her. Maybe in past reality TV shows or she really got hurt. She has a past. Or was that the ex? And she recently got married. She went down to the courthouse, married her dentist.

[Courtney]

Okay. Something that I'm always like. If I was looking for partners, I would love for them to have a skill set that, like, would benefit me. Imagine having great teeth, nice and white, pearly whites, the best. And I'm paying like $0 for it because I'm getting the friends and family fee. 3.99 Rue could have benefited going to Dr. Caston because her new veneers are wild. Wild. But K. Michelle, I really liked her energy. She's getting the lowdown from Portia on who everybody is. We're finding out. Portia, she's finally divorced and she feels like she could start dating again. I'm like, what am I doing in my own life?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

And everyone is very shocked that Portia is still in the home, because this was Simon and hers marital home. I, I It's also kind of unclear of his finances because it, it feels like there was a lot of muddy water with that. But she somehow ended up with the house and is paying the bills on it.

[Courtney]

Is he still around here? Because wasn't he deported?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

I don't think he's around anymore.

[Courtney]

She said none of the girls ever even met him. They did when he was Fallon's husband, but they haven't met as Portia's husband and ex husband. The last person that Portia dated that they had met was Dennis the hot dog king.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Which feels like centuries ago at this point.

[Courtney]

Centuries, Medieval times. Something about Portia too is. I said this at glasses. I don't think that Portia is a good leading lady. I think Portia is best as a sidekick, as a number two. And like, could K. Michelle be the leading lady and Portia be her number two? That was happening with this crew, especially in the premiere episode, is the fight for queen be status. And within trying to be the queen bee. The lines have been drawn on who is getting along with who, who is aligning with who. And something that I said on Beverly Hills was, we would love for these girls to stop pretending like they're friends and just come out and say you hate each other. It feels like that's what's happening here.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

They just have to say it. Or is Phaedra gonna be the queen bee and freaking frack unite?

[Courtney]

Phaedra, to me, though, is not a good queen bee either. She can't even get her story straight. This Atlanta Hawks game where an incident happened with Angela and the girl that Phaedra was with came up to her and said, I'm the girl who will throw hands. And Phaedra said, well, I've got the tapes and that's not true. And in the confessional, couldn't even finish the lie and said, what? Well, no, I haven't seen the tapes, but I did request them. And as Kelly said, you have that much pull to get the security tapes with the sound. Okay, Bad Mama Jama.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

But her admitting in the confessional that she didn't have the tapes was absolutely hysterical. Like, the timing of it was perfect.

[Courtney]

We knew she didn't have the tapes. And so it's like, it's crazy to even call that bluff because it's, like, laughable.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

It had me giggling.

[Courtney]

Okay, Kelly and Shamia, I'm loving this friendship.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

I love that they're best friends. I didn't appreciate Shamia's basket to her daughter Chloe. Don't put condoms and alcohol in a basket for my daughter going off to college. I'm not promoting that abstinence in both ways.

[Courtney]

Okay? So this friendship is a friendship of convenience for me. I think when Shamia's like, that is my BFF Best friend forever. I'm like, so, Portia, was that last season for you? So you and Kelly have had about a year and a half history together, Max. That's being generous, Max. Year and a half history. She's your best friend forever. You guys have this alliance where you're like, shamia is going to be the top dog. Kelly's going to be her sidekick. The way that they were laughing and overdoing it to me was too much. Shamia has her second season, I think, downfall happening here. You know, she has a good first season. I think the second season's happening as I believe it was K. Michelle who said, she's got a new body.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

No, the only downfall for Shamia right now is the mohawk wig.

[Courtney]

I mean, I think we're being nice calling it a mohawk when it's a mullet. That was business in the front, party in the back.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

It was bad overall. I was cackling, though, when Kelly and Shamia were talking about Portia banging in Simon's house. Did that make you giggle?

[Courtney]

I think that they're gonna realize that they're the mean girls here. I think especially after this episode too, because Portia was way too nice to them. I see this as a downfall, and I see their friendship ending after this season. Now, I did check in on their socials, and they're posting a lot together right now, but I do not see this lasting forever.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

As Shamita said, they're gonna just be b F. Not Fiona.

[Courtney]

Sure. Best friend. F now. I'm sorry. Best friend for now. Yes.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Yeah, I got it. I got it.

[Courtney]

Thank you. I was like, wait a second. But I'm proud of Shamia. Shamia has a rum company. When she went to Granada, she is looking for other opportunities so she doesn't have to spend Gerald's money.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Wait, it was a rum company.

[Courtney]

What did you think she said, Courtney?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

I thought she said she was in a rom com. And I was like, huh? This is really fascinating. A rum company. Okay, wait.

[Courtney]

Mary's notes. You guys says, Shamia has a rom com coming out. Is there trouble in her marriage?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Because I started getting suspicious because she's like, I want to be able to bring in my own money. And then obviously her husband was able to go to this couple's dinner. He is, quote unquote, stuck in Charlotte. He didn't want to go. He might be stuck in Charlotte, but he wasn't going to go anyways. And then it just made me think, is there a little bit of trouble in the marriage? Is he not supportive of her being on the show?

[Courtney]

She hasn't been. That's what Portia said years before. The reason Shamia never was on the show was because he didn't necessarily want her to be. She ended up joining. Obviously she's been a friend of for so long, but she got that peach last season. Gerald, like, he's never coming to these. He didn't come to anything last season. I think he's going to support her from afar. I don't think him being there was that crazy. I think Cynthia even said so too. Like, why would he be here? He never attends these things. But you do bring up a good point because when she says it's a couple's thing, she's trying to hint to him she wants him to go even though she knows he's not comfortable being filmed. So is there trouble?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Oh God, that rom com better come out soon.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

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[Unnamed Female Commentator]

So Portia decides to throw a party. She thinks it's called the Majestic island, but it was really the Mystic Island.

[Courtney]

She even had to redo it again to say it again and still got it wrong.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

The ghost of Simon's past walking around throughout the house. I love that people are just so obsessed that this is Simon's house. That would be me and them just talking about her screwing around in that house. It has me giggling. Okay.

[Courtney]

It was also funny to me because I'm like, I can't even believe we're having a couple's party when Portia's not in a couple. Who is this man? Drew is in a weird. Whatever.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

No, let's talk about him being on the phone. People are like, this was a paid actor. They had a ring light on. He never even went to the bathroom one time. That was so embarrassing on every level.

[Courtney]

But Drew is embarrassing. That's the thing. Drew does not have any shame. She lives a level of embarrassment as her regular life Mary.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

What was more embarrassing? Finding out that Ralph is still downstairs in the basement? Her having her date in the phone or Cynthia bringing a doll as her man.

[Courtney]

Okay. I'm gonna give her a pass on Ralph living downstairs because I think that was a court ordered thing, which we saw. So I don't know that Drew can necessarily get out of that. I'm going to say that's not her fault.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Okay.

[Courtney]

The phone with the ring light and the full. I mean, he was on that from the time she got out of the car to the time she left the event. Cynthia bringing the doll is just, like, funny to me because he does not live here. Yes.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

And she's in the serious relationship with him.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Like, I think she was just doing that to be silly. As opposed to Drew, who I think, again, with the level of embarrassment, wanted to do that because he couldn't physically attend. But she wanted everybody to know she's got a man.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Where does he live?

[Courtney]

In the phone. You saw it?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Yeah, I'M really curious how far.

[Courtney]

Okay.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

But then Angela and Charles come. Charles didn't get the memo to wear black. Neither did K. Michelle. Phaedra comes with her younger beau, and everyone is there but Shamia and Pinky and Kelly.

[Courtney]

Kelly comes late, too, but Kelly is bringing a guy who's the town bicycle, apparently, and he has been with everybody in this group. And you know what? Kelly was married for 11 years, so she's gonna do what she wants to do. It was funny, though, because obviously people had different call times for this party.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Did you also know, too, that the dress that Portia was wearing, Paige has worn a version of this. It was like a brown suede one. She wore it on for Love island, and she wore it to something else. And I hate this dress so much.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Oh, I really liked Portia's hair at this event.

[Courtney]

Oh, my God, it was so cute with that little flip. That was a really good look on her. She should keep that. Her date coming. He comes late and then kind of asserts as the man of the house and by the man of the house, the man of Simon's house.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

But don't you think Portia was pushing him into that? I feel like she was like, give a toast. Thank everyone for coming. They haven't slept together in nine months, and I feel like they slept together one time she hit it and quit it. And she needed a date for this party, and so she invited him, but

[Courtney]

she didn't need a date. She threw the party and made the guidelines. It could have been a regular party with no dates. I was thinking this man was a hired actor because I couldn't figure out what their relationship was knowing that they had slept together nine months ago. At some point, I was like, wait, what? Have we seen him before?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

I thought Mike was quite handsome.

[Courtney]

Well, he was her quote, unquote, friend, friend. And so then I wanted to call him Mike. Mike. Mike. Mike. Porsche's friend.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Friend. I mean, he actually got down on one knee.

[Courtney]

He did. And I'm. I'm also worried we should check the files, because if Kelly's a real officiant, could they be married? Oh,

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

it. Okay, so let's talk about who is feuding right now.

[Courtney]

Yes, let's get in there, because there's a lot. There's a lot happening.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

So Phaedra is upset with Angela from last season, and she recounts that George Jefferson June Bug, who I gave money to, that made me the Godfather of Atlanta, and I started Toastgate, and there's just, like, a lot of unfinished business there. Who do you believe in this situation? Are you Team Angela or Team Phaedra?

[Courtney]

Well, I'm a Fanula, so I'm going there, but I think for this one here, I think we need to reset and align together.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Something happened, though.

[Courtney]

Phaedra really started the whole thing last year when she was like, wait, Charles is married? As if Angela's not a cast member on this show. Like, she was already starting to get the wheels in motion here. And so for that, I'm gonna go Team angel, because she doesn't want any rumors. She just wants to have fun.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

No, I. Phaedra is involved in some way. I don't know if she paid this man to say this stuff. The toast gate, but I do think there is a connection there. I hope more surfaces about it, to be honest, because I just need to, like, get to the bottom of it. But then we also have Phaedra and Drew fighting from the reunion, and about what, though?

[Courtney]

Like, some of these fights, I was like, I don't even know what we're actually feuding about. I mean, you're telling me what we're feuding about, but this is such small potatoes, because anyone that Drew is feuding with, again, is just an embarrassment, because Drew is a liar. We know from years of Drew is that she's a big liar.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Well, Drew was Team Angela. And then after the reunion, I think she realized, ooh, Phaedra's coming back, and she's going to be queen bee. So I want to align with her and be friends with her. And Phaedra's like, absolutely, absolutely not. You're the one that started all this shit with me, and you're Super Team Angela. Why would I be friendly with you? Which I understand. Right.

[Courtney]

That's what I'm saying is Drew is embarrassing. Oh, Phaedra, I. You're gonna be a fan favorite. I want to be on your side.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Phaedra's played this game plenty of times. She knows how to go from the highs to the lows. She knows what she's doing. Because also, Drew isn't slick about it. Drew thinks that she's being like, oh, she'll never know my. My motives. And, like, it's written on your face, babe.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

I'm also curious what will Phaedra's storyline be? Because for the most part, she's, like, a narrator, I feel like.

[Courtney]

But isn't that Cynthia, too?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Yeah. So I'll be curious what Phaedra is willing to share with us.

[Courtney]

Yeah. What's going on with the mortician business? Does she know any Haitian morticians?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Okay, this makes me think. I have an idea. Okay. For the next Amazon jury duty. And what if they did it at a mortician place? There could be so many angles there. It sounds bad, but, like, fake dead people. But imagine all their families coming in and stuff and being able to tell, like, these crazy, wild stories about the person.

[Courtney]

What about more of a funeral home route?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Then the mortician's office.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Well, they're all together. Okay. It would be very funny.

[Courtney]

I mean, it would be. But now I'm worried. Now I'm literally thinking, like, rigor mortis and, like, the body sits right up or something like. Oh, God. Is that not what your mind was going with? Like, the dead bodies? I just thought maybe, like, the prank is one is still alive or something like. No, don't embalm me,

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Courtney. Okay, that's brilliant. That's brilliant. I was just thinking the angle of, like, they could tell a ton of stories because the person's not alive, you know, and then. And then just, like, all the interesting people coming to visit them. Yeah. Anyways, there's something there.

[Courtney]

Okay. Is it Phaedra's business?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

She should start that storyline there.

[Courtney]

There you go. Perfect. Back to the show.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

So let's talk a little bit about Pinky. She owns Slutty Vegan and seems very well known and connected in Atlanta.

[Courtney]

She's also filed for bankruptcy in real time. Like, in the past couple of weeks, she's filed for bankruptcy. I think it's funny that she's aligning with Shamia. So she goes over to Shamia's house before. And this is what I'm talking about. The, like, call times for everyone. Because by the time she's at Shamia's house, everyone's already at Portia's.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

True.

[Courtney]

And they're pretending that they're gonna wait for Shamia's husband to show up, but he's still stuck in Charlotte. Like, you don't you have his location? But she's showing her acting chops for her rom com. I thought that Pinky was dressed for a funeral here.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Well, they all were.

[Courtney]

She had, like, the netting over her face that was giving me, like, if we're going with the mortician storyline here, that she was, like, the wife of the deceased.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Okay. Yes, yes.

[Courtney]

But she's a mother. She's that girl. She's got the magazine covers. She's got it at all. She seemingly is a big deal within her mind and potentially Atlanta.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

And she doesn't eat Meat only her man. Yes, she made us aware of that.

[Courtney]

That should be her tagline. When we get the taglines, imagine the only meat I eat is my man's. Oh, God. Shamia and Portia, they're still feuding, but I think this is more of a one sided fe from Shamia's side because I don't think Portia wants one. I think Shamia knows where all the bodies are buried with Portia. Like, they go so deep with each other. I don't think Portia really wants this feud. And so she's like welcoming Shamia into her house because Shamia's like, I think she forgot I was on the group text. Very Carl and Lindsay housewarming.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Sure, sure. Well, Portia, I think knows that the show has to work with them getting along. It doesn't really work with them fighting the entire time. So she's willing to make amends for her job, but she doesn't genuinely mean it.

[Courtney]

Oh, you think so?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

I don't think she means it. It's not coming from her heart. She says, I have no ill will towards Shamia. But then Shamia, in her confessional mimes their text conversation, which was a lot of middle fingers, some. Some punches and some fus. So I think Shamia is cautious with Portia because she, she knows that maybe this isn't coming from the right place. And maybe from a job perspective.

[Courtney]

I don't think she's cautious. I think she's like, the line is drawn. Like, I think she actually hates Portia, but Portia's not matching her energy at this party and so she has to downplay it a little bit is what I'm feeling. I think Kelly and Shamia have talked off camera because they're BFFs and they have said, this is our show now. Portia is not the top dog. If I go back to being friends with Portia, I'm always going to be Portia's sidekick. And that's not how it's going to work anymore. So that's why I feel like Shamia is ready to burn that relationship and never make it. But because Portia's being nice to her at this party, she can't come in as hot as she wants, which is why you kind of see some looks from her and some like, okay, great, she's sussing it out.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

The group is very fractured because Shamia and Drew are also in a fight.

[Courtney]

Tell us why Shamia and Drew are feuding and where we're at with that.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Drew does an impersonation of Shamia of her sorry video. But Shamia kind of goes a little rogue in the video, and she's like, I could have gone a lot harder on Drew, but I don't remember why they're fighting.

[Courtney]

I honestly don't either. I think it's because Drew was aligned with Portia. Oh, it was the singing thing too. They're both singers.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Okay.

[Courtney]

It doesn't make sense because, again, every storyline with Drew is just so silly. But. But Shamia doing an apology video on, like, her YouTube channel and the impersonation from Drew where she was like, I'm sorry. I don't know why I'm sorry. But I do feel like I need to make amends because then it gives me a clean slate for me to go after whoever I want for the following season. I'm telling you, I think Shamia is going to have a downfall this season. I think she's gonna get too big for her britches and she's going to go down.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

I just. I'm kind of like, with Pinky, I'd be out smoking the cigars, choking on them, because all of this feels very confusing. Everyone is fighting with everyone, and no one wants to be friends. The group, it feels like it's Kelly and Shamia.

[Courtney]

Pinky's with Shamia, though I would say actually she's not because Kelly says Pinky isn't a girl's girl. So Shamia. Pinky, but also Shamia and Kelly.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Do you think that there's drama because of slutty vegan versus her chicken and waffles restaurant? Is there restaurant drama? Oh, and is that part of the lack of support for Kelly is feeling is because they're in the same business,

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

in the same inner circle? I'm sure know a lot of the same people.

[Courtney]

And Pinky and K. Michelle, they know each other because they were in the same sorority.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Great. Allah angel and Wendy.

[Courtney]

Yes. So a la us.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Yes.

[Courtney]

And Amanda, our Gigi sister. But so they're aligned. Cynthia will play Switzerland. She's going to be in the middle,

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

but kind of like the OG Is like Portia, Cynthia, Phaedra, all together. I think K. Michelle will more align with that group. Angela Oakley and Drew are, like, by themselves on an island.

[Courtney]

Oh, see, I would say they're with Portia.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Drew's on an island.

[Courtney]

She.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Well, she swims between the islands because she's a flip flopper.

[Courtney]

Yeah, yeah. She's got floaties. She's just going wherever. But Drew will align with whatever makes most sense for her. So if the majority Is Portia Phaedra. I mean, she's trying to make amends with Phaedra. Right. I think she wants to be on that side of things. I think she realizes. I don't think that it's with Shamia when she was like, so where's your husband? And she's like, exactly where your boyfriend is in the phone. Oh, this is crazy that we're literally fighting about partners.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Yes.

[Courtney]

One could be fake and then one just doesn't want to be on camera. And we're all fighting about this.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Yeah. I'm really curious how this will go because it's annoying when people, like, couple up and there's teams and there's alliances. They need to go on a cast trip soon and have some fun.

[Courtney]

I like, though, that they're all being relatively honest about who they don't like in this group right now because I think the worst is when they're pretending that everything's okay. The cast trips are always interesting, though, because I think the alliances start to change and then someone jumps ship somewhere else. I think K. Michelle is starting with Portia, but I don't think she's going to end up with Portia.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

She'll be more on Shamia's side.

[Courtney]

I think she's going to be leading her own alliance.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Oh, who's going to be a part of it? Hopefully Angela Oakley.

[Courtney]

I and I could see Drew going over there because K. Michelle is successful in the music industry. Drew wants to be more successful. Shamia won't go over there because she's her own star. It's kind of like K. Michelle, Portia and Shamia to me, seem like the HBIC's right now. Okay.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Okay. But Phaedra, Phaedra, she's not a queen

[Courtney]

bee to me, really. Portia isn't either. But they really rallied around Portia Bravo itself for last season of her return, her being the star. But I think she just does so much better as a sidekick. To be fair, none of them are really the hbic.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

They're just all competing.

[Courtney]

They're all competing to be. And I think K. Michelle could be. I think Angela doesn't care enough to be, so maybe she could be. They're all competing to be the top dog and nobody's there yet.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

K. Michelle will get there.

[Courtney]

I agree. I agree. Like, I see a very big future for her. I see her becoming a fan favorite.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

We need to listen to K. Michelle's music. So she has her first country album. She has a lot of R B albums. So we gotta support.

[Courtney]

I Think she's a star. She seems to me like a good addition already.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

There's definitely gonna be something with her husband. I feel like they laid that up. They've known each other since the ninth grade. Something's gonna happen with that. I'm assuming they did say.

[Courtney]

They said, who fights the most to have the makeup sex? And he says she doesn't. She does it very well.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Okay.

[Courtney]

She fights a lot.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

Right? Right, Right.

[Courtney]

I hope not. I hope not. Wait, what?

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

The couple who previously appeared on Marriage Boot Camp quietly tied the knot following a decade long courtship. They're still together.

[Courtney]

Oh, thank God. At least they're still. Wait, when did they do Marriage Boot Camp? Don't you have to be married to do the boot camp? That's called Marriage Boot Camp.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

So apparently they were in Marriage boot camp in 2022, and then they got married in September of 2025.

[Courtney]

Can you Google for me too? I believe Queen's Court was last summer. Perhaps too.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

So this is making more sense because she went on Queen's Court to get him to finally commit.

[Courtney]

Yes, she is playing the long game.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

The Queen's court was October 6, 2024. So they do Marriage Boot Camp, then they must breakup, then she does Queen's Court, and then they finally get married in 2025.

[Courtney]

Okay. Also what's funny too is it says that her height is 5. 5. If you told me 411, I'd have believed it. Well, it's just that hug from Portia. She was able to go to a straight 90 degrees down. But I guess maybe Portia was in like 6 inch heels or something. 5.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

5. You're not believing all these heights of people online are fake news.

[Courtney]

Portia's 5 8. So I guess with that. Okay. I thought the premiere was a stronger premiere than how I felt about last season, to be honest. Even though I'm sure I said that it was a good premiere. I think with this cast, there's a lot that could be happening. I'm excited we will be watching this.

[Unnamed Female Commentator]

This is on Sundays. And Rory, lots happening. I can't wait to recap it with you.

[Courtney]

Bye.

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