TJG: The Valley S3 E2!

Summary

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Two Judgey Girls: The Valley S3 E2! (April 9, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this episode, Courtney (from LA) and Mary (from the Bay) dive into episode 2 of The Valley Season 3, providing candid, hilarious commentary on show dynamics, cast drama, and broader Bravo gossip. The discussion covers everything from current social media narratives and rumors to on-screen relationship woes, friendships, and the perils of reality TV parenthood. They also reflect on adjacent Bravo shows like Summer House, Southern Charm, and the drama surrounding crossover events.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

“West Side Story” Updates & Bravo Crossovers

• Wes’s Social Media Moves (05:45–10:16)

  • Courtney and Mary dissect Wes's Instagram activity and promotion of his new Complex Bets show amid Bravo drama. They speculate on strategic PR moves and whether Complex’s audience overlaps with Bravo fans.
    • Courtney (07:11): “Complex probably skews more male. Bravo obviously skews more female... even if people are going to put hateful eyes on it, they're still eyes.”
    • Both discuss if spectatorship will hurt or help Wes and question if the drama will die down before the reunion.
  • Dumois Rumor (10:16–12:10)
    • The hosts analyze a rumor about Wes supposedly receiving death threats, questioning its credibility and highlighting how online chatter affects cast members.
    • Courtney (10:21): “We need to have some sort of proof before we are just, like, running off with this. Sierra's blocked him, so how does he even know what Sierra has said or not said? Nor is she responsible for his behavior.”

• TMZ Article & Relationship Status (12:10–14:36)

  • They break down TMZ’s report that Wes and Amanda are "going strong" and consider its plausibility, especially regarding public scrutinization and the reunion.
    • Mary (13:01): “I just cannot believe this. I... I have to see it to believe it. I don't imagine them coming to the reunion as a united front.”

• Euphoria Premiere & Pop Culture Parallels (14:36–15:44)

  • Sierra's viral comment at the Euphoria premiere sparks conversation about her screen presence, style, and whether “life imitates art” in her remarks to Sydney Sweeney.

• Reunion & Summer House Crossover Prep (15:44–18:14)

  • Cameras are up for confessionals again. The hosts speculate about who will anchor the transition to “Summer House: In The City” and discuss cast allegiances, particularly Lindsay's prospects.

  • Mary (17:05): “It feels like the cast seems to turn against her. I'm a little worried for Lindsay, to be honest... I'm worried she's going to be overproducing, though.”

  • Courtney (17:39): “That trailer got me going... We were worried about The Valley—I'm going to take this with the glass half full approach.”

• Cast Dynamics: Danielle, Andrea & Southern Charm Update (18:14–19:03)

  • Danielle’s return to the cast is met with mixed fan reception, but the hosts defend her role as “great TV.”
  • Southern Charm filming resumes with “no break” for storylines, sparking concern over cast burnout.

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The Valley S3E2: "Snip Snip" Deep Dive

Michelle & Schwartz—A Forced Narrative

• Romantic Storylines & Cast Chemistry (23:36–24:36)
  • Michelle’s lack of interest in Schwartz is clear, despite production efforts.
    • Mary (23:58): “Michelle has made it very apparent she does not want to go on a date with Schwartz... People trying to push this narrative is not the right team to be on.”
  • Briefly touch on Schwartz’s brother Bert’s dramatic weight loss due to serious medical issues (24:18).

Kristen & Luke’s New Parent Struggles (24:36–28:17)

• Honest Portrayal of Postpartum Life
  • Kristen opens up about postpartum anxiety and attachment to her newborn. Mary relates deeply as a new mom.
    • Mary (25:08): “You feel very attached... you're not living in reality.”
  • Tension arises as Luke wants to “reconnect” in their relationship, while Kristen struggles with exhaustion and hormonal changes.
    • Mary (26:10): “She's like, I don't want you near me. I'm exhausted. The last thing I want to do is sex. Her therapist advice really pissed me off too.”
    • The duo debate whether the therapist’s advice was helpful or inconsiderate (26:44–27:36).

Danny’s Vasectomy Storyline & Gendered Labor (29:05–31:01)

• Emotional Labor & Frustration
  • Danny approaches his vasectomy with a lack of empathy, ignoring his wife Nia’s exhaustion and stress as a mom of three.
    • Mary (29:22): “Her wife has been pregnant, like, four times... I felt so bad for her... he’s just like—so 35 times, huh?”

Jesse, Lacy & Co-Parenting Real Talk (31:12–33:12)

• Candidness and Modern Family Debate
  • Lacy asserts independence and healthy boundaries in her renewed relationship with Jesse, refusing to force a “modern family” dynamic with Michelle.
    • Mary (31:12): “She enjoys his company, but not in a romantic way... I love that she wouldn't say I love you to him on camera.”
    • Courtney (33:09): “Jesse’s really pushing it... But Michelle just doesn’t want anything to do with Lacy, which—that’s fine, that’s normal.”

Zach & Britney, Coparenting, and New Relationships (35:21–37:56)

• Britney’s Parental Growth
  • Britney has created a more positive home for her son Cruz post-Jax, which the hosts praise for its emotional impact.
    • Courtney (35:30): “I cried too. You can see... Britney really does bring a sense of positivity to everything she does.”
  • Zach and Brittany express suspicions about Brittany’s new boyfriend Brandon’s intentions.
    • Mary (37:13): “He does come on the show... I think he's looking for the sugar mama.”

Schwartz, Lala, and Friends-of-the-Show Energy (38:02–40:00)

• Lala and Schwartz are described as “harmless,” but the hosts are critical of production using them as connective tissue for fans, preferring their limited presence.
  • Courtney (38:25): “They, to me, are friends of, and they’re maybe bringing back old viewers... I’m not one of them.”

Nia, Janet, and the Apology Stand-Off (40:00–43:31)

• The attempted reconciliation between Janet and Nia is an awkward stalemate; neither is willing to be the first to apologize. This segment highlights the fractured alliances among cast members and looming ensemble dysfunction.
  • Mary (41:42): "Nia, Danny, and Janet are not going to be able to move forward from last season and what was said on that boat in Hawaii."
  • Courtney (43:38): "But I don't think Nia is trying to ice her out. I think she's like, she just doesn't exist to me... Kristen doesn't have the same level of chill that Nia has."

Jesse & Zach’s Airplane Bar Outing (45:17–47:12)

• The hosts share personal anecdotes about the novelty bar, noting only one side is airplane-themed, and relate this to the show’s penchant for quirky locations.
  • Courtney (45:47): “The problem is that I think the get is that it's supposed to look like an airplane... only one side... Everyone there was very lovely... but my stomach was upset the rest of the night.”
• Zach is highlighted as the show’s “judge of character”—liking Lacy but being sus about Brandon.

Events & Social Exclusions (47:12–47:32)

• Curiosity about who makes the cut for kids’ birthday parties, and the social politics of invites/non-invites (i.e., why weren’t Jesse and Zach invited?).

Closing: Michelle & Schwartz’s Salt Room Non-Date & San Diego Talk (47:32–50:10)

• The hosts roll their eyes at another forced "date" between Michelle and Schwartz, joke about the show’s obsession with salt rooms, and reminisce about wild clubbing days in Tijuana.
  • Mary (49:04): “That place is wild... One time I didn’t make the bus home.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Bravo Crossovers:
  Courtney (16:17): “Summer House finale 5/19, In the City premiere 5/19, two hour crossover event.”
• On Relationship Rumors:
  Courtney (12:10): “TMZ has learned they're leaning all the way in...despite speculation west has been seeing other women. That couldn't be further from the truth...”
• On Modern Family Dynamics:
  Mary (31:12): "I think she’s embracing who she is… She embraces who she is. And I love that she wouldn’t say I love you to him on camera."
• On Reality TV Friendships:
  Courtney (46:43): “I do think that Zach is the judge of character for this show. Like, if Zach likes you, I think that is where the litmus test is...”

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Important Timestamps

• 04:51: Episode officially kicks off with Courtney and Mary greeting each other.
• 05:45–10:16: Dissection of Wes’s social media, TV deals, and the “West Side Story” drama.
• 10:16–12:10: Dumois rumor breakdown.
• 12:10–14:36: TMZ confirmation of Wes & Amanda relationship status.
• 15:44–18:14: Reunion speculation and Summer House/Summer House “In the City” crossover.
• 23:36–24:36: Michelle and Schwartz’s non-date and Bert’s medical issues.
• 24:36–28:17: Kristen & Luke’s parenting struggles.
• 29:05–31:01: Danny’s vasectomy and gendered family labor.
• 31:12–33:12: Jesse and Lacy’s relationship and co-parenting discussion.
• 35:21–37:56: Zach & Britney, Cruz’s progress, suspicions about Brandon.
• 38:02–40:00: Lala and Schwartz’s friend-of-the-show status.
• 40:00–43:31: Nia, Janet, and the apology standoff; friendship dynamics.
• 45:17–47:12: Aviator bar review and Zach's place in cast dynamics.
• 47:32–50:10: Michelle & Schwartz salt room and Tijuana clubbing story.

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Final Thoughts & Episode Tone

This episode delivers on the Two Judgey Girls’ signature tone: witty, insightful, openly biased (“we’re not one of those Lala fans!”), and highly personal. Mary and Courtney balance genuine empathy for cast struggles—particularly parenting, post-divorce transitions, and female friendships—while not shying away from calling out lackluster storylines, production machinations, or cast members they find “harmless” or “trying too hard”.

The result is an episode that's equal parts reality TV gossip and authentic conversation between friends—making it just as entertaining for superfans as for casual Bravo watchers.

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[Courtney]

it's Courtney from la. Mary, how you doing?

[Mary]

I'm all right. How you doing? I'm all right.

[Courtney]

Everything is all right. There's nothing that gets me going more than when that theme song starts. And I said, this is not even what the show's vibe is, but I'm all right.

[Mary]

I fucking get giddy when that theme song comes on now. I'm like, I'm all right.

[Courtney]

You get really guttural.

[Mary]

It's totally, like, gritty in your voice.

[Courtney]

Now, there could be other ways to answer that question. How you doing? Not well, bitch. Carl's a mess. I'm a mess, or I'm all right Today? I think we're all right.

[Mary]

We're doing okay. We gotta update the people on the west side Story. I feel like so much happened in the last 24 hours, and I got some questions Answ.

[Courtney]

Tell me what's going on. Give me a few updates. Let's. Let's catch up.

[Mary]

Okay. I feel like Wes posted that story the other day as a first post because yesterday he had to launch the Complex Bets promo he's doing. It looks like he has a show with them, so he needed to put out one first thing before, like a business thing. What do you think?

[Courtney]

Okay, well, I know he's not a collab on the actual post itself from Complex Bets page.

[Mary]

Right.

[Courtney]

It's not like a collab post. Maybe that's why he didn't accept the collab post, because they said, you know, based on what we're seeing around the Internet, we do need to launch this show and you are the host of it, but we also don't necessarily want you to promote it in your feed. A story post for 24 hours. Okay, fine.

[Mary]

I'm so curious what their thought process is. Will this show do really well? Because we're all creepers and want to see what his demeanor is, his mannerisms, Is he in a relationship? What kind of guy is he acting like on camera? Is that why we're going to watch, or are we going to come together and boycott it?

[Courtney]

I think that the complex fans and the Bravo fans and the Venn diagram of overlap is probably not crazy big. I would say complex probably skews more male. Bravo obviously skews more female. I think there Will be eyes on it. Remember that show that he did have, though, where he would take these different influencer girlies on dates that didn't really seem to kick off. That was kind of like the male version of Chicken Shop Date with Amelia de Moldenberg that didn't seemingly take off. And he was liked at the time. So I do wonder how they're going to try to separate Wes Wilson from the Bravo versus West Wilson from Complex. Because he's not introduced from the complex perspective as Wes Wilson, like cast member of Summer House. Right. He's like Wes Wilson, complex host, former college athlete. And then you have to think of behind the scenes, like strategic input. Right. Is, hey, we had this rollout. We've already filmed episodes, We've already edited them. We do need to put this out because we spent money doing this. Do you try to take advantage of the fact that there is talk about it and any publicity is good publicity? And even if people are going to put hateful eyes on it, they're still eyes. You had mentioned, too, some of the comments were making you laugh that people had put on the post itself. And I wonder if complexes. I was like, we don't really care what the comments are. It's engagement.

[Mary]

Nonetheless, they have eyes on it, that's for sure. And women's eyes. A different demographic. Are there tomato emojis being thrown at him? Yes. Are there people asking, could you have found anyone else? Those are basically the comments. That's a summary.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Do you think, though, should they have waited a week? It doesn't feel like things are really going to die down because maybe next week will be slightly quieter. I don't know. There's things that keep being talked about. And then you have the reunion, which I think people are going to be chomping at the bit of like, what happened? What happened? Did they show up? Did they come as a united front? Are they not together? And so you have. I'd say probably until the reunion airs. I don't think that anything is dying down. So if you're complex, do you just put it out?

[Mary]

I think they realize this isn't really going to die down. Maybe they wanted to get it out before the reunion and they're just like, let's do it. Or maybe they just stuck to their original timeline.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Maybe they're not as aware either of how crazy within the Bravo sphere this west side Story is. There's detectives who are combing through evidence episodes, whatever, that are trying to find clues. We keep getting these releases of information from dumois is it true or not true? Does it start speculation? Does it get people talking? Of course. And then you have them also just at the same time trying to live their lives as humans on this planet.

[Mary]

Right. And let's talk about that Dumois rumor. Tell us about that.

[Courtney]

So there was a Dumois rumor that said, oh, my husband is in this group chat that west is a part of and he's talking about how he's getting these death threats and he thinks that Sierra should say something. But also he's not worried about his reputation with Bravo because he thinks he can still be hired like Tom Sandoval and the traitors. I question this because Dumois sometimes gets it right and sometimes gets it wrong. And this, to me could just be something that someone sent in. Like, show me the proof. If there's proof to this, I want to see the screenshot of the group chat because also there's a Judas in there. Like, he better figure out who his friends are. I could see him saying something like this with. Then I'm also like, could he say this? That's just why I'm like, we need to have some sort of proof before we are just, like, running off with this. Sierra's blocked him, so how does he even know what Sierra has said or not said? Nor is she responsible for his behavior. So it's crazy to put that on her. Then the Tom Sandoval part is like, the traitors aren't even on Bravo. I don't know. It sounds like hearsay, right?

[Mary]

I imagine he's very worried because he doesn't know if he's going back to the summer house. He doesn't know if he has a job. That has to worry him. Also, the public is coming for him right now. I'm sure he's a little scared. And then today there's this TMZ article saying that they're still going strong. And I just cannot believe this. I. I have to see it to believe it. And I just. I don't imagine them coming to the reunion as a united front. I don't really, really don't, but I've been wrong many times.

[Courtney]

So let's talk about the TMZ article. TMZ has learned they're leaning all the way in. Sources with direct knowledge tell tmz, despite speculation west has been seeing other women. That couldn't be further from the truth. We're told he's been fully committed to Amanda and showing up as a supportive partner behind the scenes. Our sources say the noise is Largely driven by fan assumptions and social media narratives, painting west as a playboy with even innocent interactions like chatting with fans, getting twisted into something. Bottom line, Amanda isn't bothered. We're told she trusts west and feels confident in their relationship. The two are still going strong and building things without letting outside opinions interfere. As for her castmates, we're told it's a mixed bag. Amanda stays in touch with a few close friends, but not everyone in her orbit. For those not caught up, Amanda will attend the upcoming reunion despite online backlash and claims she's skipping out.

[Mary]

What do you think they're together right now?

[Courtney]

They could be. I don't know what their level of relationship is either. It's like you guys end everything and try to blame it on being stupid and not thinking about others. Or as you've been saying, they should get married. Yep. And let's talk Sierra on the Euphoria carpet. So the premiere was in LA yesterday and Sierra looked hot.

[Mary]

She looked so fun. She's wearing like a two piece. It's like a long skirt, but it's fun and flirty and she could really move it around. The top is strapless. She's glowing. I feel like it was really fun the way she could move in it. She's rocking some bangs.

[Courtney]

She's interviewing the cast. Last night. The clip that is going around that's becoming viral is a clip with Sydney Sweeney. So in Sydney Sweeney's character on Euphoria, she plays this girl Cassie. Cassie and Maddie were best friends. Maddie was with Nate, who's Jacob Elordi. Maddie is played by Alexa Denny. The storyline is that Cassie and Nate start secretly hooking up behind Maddie's back. Obviously there's fall season. Nate and Cassie get married and so that's art imitating life perhaps. And she's talking to Sidney. I wonder if Sidney even knows what the drama is when she's talking about it or if she's just relating it to the storyline of her character.

[Mary]

Sierra says, I mean, if you steal your friend's ex boyfriend, what do you think is the next step? I feel like you ought to get married. You got to make it worth it.

[Courtney]

And she stares directly into the camera as she says that too, which then

[Mary]

kind of makes me think they are together. If she's saying make it worth it, I just, I would be so. I just feel like he's gonna leave her out high and dry at the reunion. I. I don't know. I don't know what's. What's Mandy gonna do?

[Courtney]

Hey, cutie. Hi, Mandy. Nobody got my story that I had made too. Did you get that?

[Mary]

The oranges and Mandy Moore, the cuties.

[Courtney]

Orange cuties, like the brand. They're called cuties. And then Mandy Moore. Hey, cutie. Hey, Mandy.

[Mary]

I missed that. Now I get it. Now I get it.

[Courtney]

Maybe I should have put actual cuties on it.

[Mary]

We don't like to overthink over here.

[Courtney]

I thought it was clever, but I think some people were like, you too, and just said, okay, there's Courtney going off again. A little cuckoo. A little cuckoo bananas. We gotta film the reunion now. I mean, the cameras are seemingly up again for confessionals.

[Mary]

Yeah. So Carl has posted that Kyle posted one and asked production, what show is this for? It's like, stop it, Kyle.

[Courtney]

Well, because I think it's actually for in the City because he's on a couch. Allah, the Valley, how they do their confessionals on a couch. Kyle's strategic. He knows what he's doing. It was confirmed, by the way. Everything that we had thought. Summer House, they leave. It's a crossover event. So Summer House finale 5:19 in the City premiere 5:19 two hour crossover event.

[Mary]

Crazy.

[Courtney]

Does it mean Lindsay, Kyle and Amanda all leave in the same car together?

[Mary]

Oh, maybe.

[Courtney]

We never see them drive together, but I'm wondering that. Or is it Lindsay? Do they film a pickup scene with Lindsay where she's driving and leaving in the car that Carl also paid for? I'm just wondering who is the anchor here? Because as we know, things have changed, right?

[Mary]

No. And it also feels like Lindsay is kind of going to be by herself on the City. It feels like the cast seems to turn against her. I'm a little worried for Lindsay, to be honest. I love her. I think she is great reality tv. I'm worried she's going to be overproducing, though.

[Courtney]

You know what? That trailer got me going. There are a hundred cast members on it. I think we have storylines across the board. I'm not worried. I think it's going to be great. We were worried about the Valley. Remember? We're like I said, one season and canceled. So I'm going to take this with the glass half full approach and say, it's going to be so good. I'm ready for this. I think there's also just so much more attention on this too that we're going to be looking for clues. I mean, the editors knew what they were doing sticking in that Wes and Amanda scene to get the rest of us.

[Mary]

And people really were not liking that Danielle is back. Why does everyone hate Danielle.

[Courtney]

Well, I think what happened was that one Winter House season, remember she just broken up with like, Robert and remember that guy Alex that was from below deck. I was trying to remember why people didn't like her. And she just had a. A crazy two weeks in that winter house. And then I don't think that people, even though she ended up being right, didn't like her approach with Lindsay and Carl and how fast they were moving. And then the engagement party. And she really had a bad season. But based on the preview, she's bringing the drama. She's great tv.

[Mary]

It will be okay. I love Danielle personally, so I'm excited to see her back and Andrea and meet all the new people. In other news, did you see that Southern Charm began filming already? I read something today. They began filming and everyone got invited back, which I'm like, Charlie, we know where she needs to go and that's at Soho.

[Courtney]

It just feels like no break. But I just wish that they had a little bit more time. The storylines. There was that at the end of it. I thought we need a little space for everyone.

[Mary]

But the break they get is between when they finish filming to when it airs.

[Courtney]

It just is so cyclical. It's always going. It's like how I feel about the Salt Lake City women. Give them a break. Should we take a break and come back and talk the Valley? Yes.

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[Mary]

Snip snip is the episode title. Everybody is talking about Michelle and Schwartz. Michelle has made it very apparent she does not want to go on a date with Schwartz. She will film with Schwartz. She enjoys his company, but not in a romantic way. People trying to push this narrative is not the right team to be on.

[Courtney]

No guys. No. Can we also talk about though? So it seems like Schwartz's brother is living with him. I did not even recognize that that was his brother Bert. He's lost so much weight since with the last time we've seen him. Vanderpump rules. I was like. So I was like, who is that? Oh my God. It's his brother.

[Mary]

I think he had some very serious medical issues and hence the weight loss and stuff. I think he like almost died.

[Courtney]

Oh no.

[Mary]

There was like, there was some very serious things going on with him. So hopefully he's healthy. Good to see him living with Tom.

[Courtney]

He looked good. I just didn't recognize him at first. I want to talk about Kristen and Luke because I, I feel so terrible for Kristen.

[Mary]

I think everything she's experiencing is very normal.

[Courtney]

She was like, I can't. I don't want to give her to our friend for 30 minutes. I don't want to even have a date night. She really is just in the thick of it right now.

[Mary]

Yeah. I mean, you feel very attached. You feel like you're the only person that can actually help them, even though you know that's not real, but you're not living in reality.

[Courtney]

It's so bizarre.

[Mary]

And, like, you want to do everything, but you're not capable of doing everything. And then you're worried for someone else to do everything. And then it's this strange moment because it's like they were in you for 40 weeks. You were the person that gave them everything, so you want to continue to give them everything. And then your hormones have, like, shot down like crazy, so you feel crazy.

[Courtney]

I.

[Mary]

Everything she says, like, resonated with me so much.

[Courtney]

Oh, I bet.

[Mary]

Coming from a person that's had a babysitter three to four times, yes. Do I have someone watch Charlie during the day? Yeah. But I don't feel like I'm leaving him because I'm not, because I'm in the house.

[Courtney]

Okay. Okay. This is a great perspective to hear. When I was watching Luke in this scene, obviously it's like he, like, wants to have sex and congrats, Luke, we're so glad you got laid at some point. But he was also saying, kristen, happy parents, happy baby. Like, we also need to put time for us, and not in the intimacy sex world, but we need to reconnect. Did you feel that, or am I giving him too much credit?

[Mary]

I think you're giving him credit. I also feel like your body naturally is giving off birth control to yourself because you're technically aren't supposed to get pregnant for a year after people do it all the time. But sure, that's the recommended from doctors. I think she's just, like, listening to her body. She's like, I don't want you near me. I'm exhausted. The last thing I want to do is sex. Her therapist advice really pissed me off too. What's 15 minutes to you? I'm like, ew, she doesn't want to do it. If she doesn't want to do it, leave her alone.

[Courtney]

I was thinking the therapist was saying, like, somebody watching your kid for a short amount of period, like, it'll be okay. That's how I was thinking it. But I think you have a different perspective being a mom and just going through all this. That's what I was thinking was like, it's going to be okay. Like, 15 minutes at the end of the day. Not for sex, just in general. Is that's such a small amount of your day that you will be okay if somebody watches your child for a small amount of time.

[Mary]

Oh, I felt like the therapist was saying, what, you just have to have sex with him for 15 minutes. Get over it.

[Courtney]

Maybe I, I can see that, too. I, I think I'm just trying to give the benefit of the doubt because that's such terrible advice from a therapist. If she's saying, I don't want to have sex right now, and he says, It's 15 minutes, just lay there.

[Mary]

I, I, that's what it felt like. No, I know.

[Courtney]

I'm saying, I'm trying to say the best, so I hope that wasn't what it was.

[Mary]

And I don't think your sex life will ever go back to being the same. You also were having transactional sex all the time. Like, they struggled with fertility, so they were trying all the time. So it's never going to go back to that. Okay.

[Courtney]

Okay. Feel you're speaking from personal experience over there.

[Mary]

It will never be the same.

[Courtney]

I, I feel like she's like, doesn't even want to take a shower because she's like, that's 10 minutes too long that I'm away from this baby. Like, Luke feeding her. You could tell she's just like, I know I have to let him do it, but, oh, my God. Could he, like, lift her head up just a little bit more? You can see the thoughts outside of her head right now.

[Mary]

Yeah, you want to do everything yourself. And also right before you, like, went into nesting mode where you had, like, OCD cleaning, and, like, that doesn't leave your body super fast. So then when baby sleeping, you're, like, obsessively clean.

[Courtney]

You doing okay? How you doing?

[Mary]

I think she's just being honest and showing us what it's really like.

[Courtney]

Oh, I completely agree. I completely agree. I do think that after this episode, and I wonder if it was like, last week's episode too. I'm like, she has to be in the comments, like, defending Luke, because they're giving a real life aspect of what's going on. And you see him kind of trying to be, you know, okay and a good partner, but he's like, but I really just want to get laid.

[Mary]

I know. It's such a turn off. And like, Danny this week was such a turn off as well.

[Courtney]

And they think that they're being funny, and it's like, it's, it's not funny. And Zach was right. He said, I don't think Danny's funny, but Danny thinks he's funny. And that's because Danny's son thinks he's funny.

[Mary]

Danny did not look good this week. You have to ejaculate 35 times to get out the swimmers before the surgery. And I'm Going to be bendridden for 10 days and I can't pick up the kids. It's like, your wife has been pregnant four times. No, three. Because they have twins. And she is going through it so much. I felt so bad for her on the couch. She's like, I'm just like, exhausted. There's boxes everywhere. There's toddlers. I can't do it all. And I feel like a failure. Sad. And he's just like, so 35 times, huh?

[Courtney]

Who's gonna take care of my wife when she's in a wheelchair? Because I. I did it 35 times. He's like, it's a ballsy procedure of this vasectomy.

[Mary]

That grossed me out so much at the end. He's like, just focus on all the love making on the calendar. I'm like, you're not helping her.

[Courtney]

It's not funny because you're just exhausting her and she's just putting up with it. The woman is tired. Let her breathe.

[Mary]

It was gross.

[Courtney]

And it's like. And you know, I also, at that point too, when we're. When she's sitting on the couch with them, she's like, let me tell you how stressful. I love living in Santa Clarita because we have space and we have all these amenities that we could not get in the Valley. Our kids are working actors and that has to be filmed in Hollywood area at the studios. I'm driving two hours because they're filming, and then I have to drive back and it's taking me forever. I have to pull over because she's crying. I'm now crying. Like, I'm just stressed out. He's like, seems tough. Just console your wife and, like, listen to. Then you're like, you won't schedule sex. She doesn't.

[Mary]

No, it's bad. It's bad.

[Courtney]

She doesn't. Come on, Danny. Come on. Okay, let's talk about Jesse and Lacey.

[Mary]

I love Lacy. I love that she kept putting him in his place. They've known each other for years. Michelle came in the picture and he stopped talking to Lacy. Maybe he didn't stop talking to Lacy, but, you know, he was with Michelle. They reconnected. I just. I love it. I. I think she's also, like, embracing who she is. She's like, yeah, I have fat lips. I have blonde extensions. I'm over the top. She's buying Dolce and Gabbana shoes for his daughter. She's embraces who she is. And I love that she wouldn't say I love you to him on camera. I think it's really funny that he wants to buy the house next door and she's like, you can't even afford it. It's like she is as brutal. I think I like their dynamic. What about you?

[Courtney]

He loves that there's a chase with Lacy.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

He's gotta, like, work for it and hell yeah. Okay. I just need to know why last season she was so against filming and why she's all in now. Like, what happened? Is she trying to change the perspective of what people see her as because of what happened with Michelle at Yamashiro? Is she just more. More serious with Jesse at this point than she was at that point and didn't want to be on camera and have to share more of her life? What was the thought process of why she's all in now?

[Mary]

Yeah, I think maybe more serious. I wonder if her divorce was finalized because apparently she did very well. So maybe there was like custody stuff going on and she didn't want to jeopardize that. I don't know. I'm making all of this up. No, I know.

[Courtney]

I'm just. We're talking it out. We're. We're talking it through. But I also do love that they're like Isabella and Coco. They're best friends. They have their own language. It's really us against them. Jesse really wants this modern family, and Michelle's not really on board with it. She's happy to be a co parent. Michelle just doesn't want anything to do with Lacey, which.

[Mary]

That's fine. That's normal. You don't have to be a modern family.

[Courtney]

Yeah, but Jesse's really pushing it.

[Mary]

Of course he would.

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[Mary]

Let's talk about Zach and Britney. Okay, When Uncle Zach came over and Cruz said Zach, I started crying.

[Courtney]

I cried too. I'm so happy this environment has changed for him. You can see, because we said it last week too, is Britney really does bring a sense of positivity to everything she does, whether you like her or not. Like, I really do think that she tries to see the good in the situations and she wants to provide a positive environment for her son. And she just was in the trenches last season and finally was able to get out. You can just see on cruise how happy he is and all the things that she's done, like that sensory room for him. I started crying when they're like, did he say Zach? And he's like, I did. Did he just say I did?

[Mary]

I know. No, she's created an environment for him to thrive. So. And he is showing great progress and she attributes it to getting rid of Jax's negativity, which, ooh, ouch.

[Courtney]

Well, it just made me hate him so much More that his a sprained brain couldn't make a good environment for his son. The fact that Cruz is thriving so much more now and I think that Britney sees it too. Now people are sus about Brandon, including Zach. Right? That's what I mean.

[Mary]

Yep.

[Courtney]

And he has two baby mamas and he has drama with both. He doesn't even live here. Brittany, you're someone who jumps from relationship to relationship to relationship. She's like, I've been single for two years. And Zach was like, Britney, Britney. She's like, well, okay, okay.

[Mary]

He lives three hours away.

[Courtney]

Zach is basically saying, if you guys are going to progress and he was going to move closer, it would be into your house.

[Mary]

Yes. Yes.

[Courtney]

Do you think that the boyfriend is looking for fame?

[Mary]

Maybe because he does come on the show. I think he's looking for a free ride. I think he's looking for the sugar mama.

[Courtney]

Do you know that Brittany's literally paying Jack's tax liens?

[Mary]

I know, I know.

[Courtney]

So I don't think you're getting a free ride here. I think she's working for every single penny to pay off the debt that she has.

[Mary]

Yeah, you're right. That's so true. The reason why I don't like Brandon is because Zach doesn't like Brandon. And I trust Zach's opinion.

[Courtney]

I agree. Well, and not only that though, I don't think a lot of the cast likes him either. I think that they see him trying to take advantage of Britney, of her fame, of her situation. I guess we'll see, we'll see next week because it doesn't look good for him next week either.

[Mary]

It does not. I'm excited to meet him though, so we can fully assess the situation.

[Courtney]

Let's move on to Sosa's first birthday now, Mary, do you think we need Lala on this show?

[Mary]

I'm so annoyed she is here. Schwartz is fine. I think he adds some comedic relief. I don't like him trying to go for Michelle, but he's harmless. To be honest, I, I don't mind him. Do you don't like him on the show?

[Courtney]

I, I think they think the viewers want to catch up with Schwartz and Lala. Like we've missed them so much over the years because Vanderpump is over and I just don't like, I don't need one on one scenes with Schwartz and Michelle. I don't need scenes with Lala and somebody else. They to me are friends of and they're maybe bringing back old viewers who might have left the area. That care. I'm not one of them.

[Mary]

Yeah, he. He's just harmless. She is trying to do so much. Her giving her number to the lifeguard when she's holding the baby, that was a little much for like, let the

[Courtney]

man do his job. Let Eliza watch the water, okay? She's like, oh, like, if. If the baby wasn't here, I'd have a quickie during nap time. It's like, do you want to play the sexual card or not? Pick your personality for the season. Because it's also like, she's trying to be like this zen queen this season too. And like, I'm just here to mend fences. I'm gonna make sure that Nia and Janet can make up and I'm gonna be the it. But also, I don't mind going like 0 to 100 on my end because, like, I've done that before. Choose Elaine.

[Mary]

Right. It feels like she wants to get sound bites. Like, obviously last week the big thing was, is Luke the father? Clearly he's not, but it's like trying to get articles written up.

[Courtney]

Those kind of moments go viral, if you will.

[Mary]

She knows how to do that. And her bringing Janet and Nia together was absolutely hysterical because nothing happened.

[Courtney]

What was Janet's thought process here? Was she hoping that Nia would say sorry? Because it feels like lala and Janet had a conversation saying, you gotta make up with Mia. Right? Like, that has to be because the group is fractured. This is like an off camera conversation, the way Lala is setting it up in her confessional. I've done crazy things before and I've told Janet when she was out of line. And so lala is presenting as if she thinks that Janet needs to be apologizing. But I'm confused on what Janet thought.

[Mary]

She walks up to the table. Nia's standing there to have a conversation. And Janet seems like the person that's calling the conversation via Lala, right? And then she goes up, she's like, so Nia, is there anything you want to say or get off your chest? And Nia's just quiet. And she's like, because I'm happy to listen and congrats on the baby in the house. And Nia's like, no, what? What? What would I have to say to you? And then Janet just like, runs away with her water bottle. She goes into a room. And then the funniest part about it is that Nia ends up trying to go into the same room to breastfeed her child. But Janet's in there. Nia she's talking to Danny and he says, never in my life have I felt this type of way about someone. And it just feels like, like, Nia, Danny and Janet are not going to be able to move forward from last season. And what was said on that boat in Hawaii.

[Courtney]

Well, it's also crazy, too. There's this, like, triangle of friendship with Luke in the middle, being friendly with Jason and being friendly with Danny. And we see in the preview for next week that Danny's like, if that was me and I was friends with Jason and he was saying the things about you, like, my friendship with him would be over. And so you have this triangle of the women because Nia and Kristen are besties and they don't like Janet. And then it's like Luke is caught in the middle there. Luke is playing Switzerland. Janet, as soon as she has to potentially have her tail between her legs to say, hey, maybe I need to start the combo and say sorry. And I wonder too, if she had said, hey, sorry, whatever she wants to apologize for, to move forward, if Nia would have then also extended an apology. But because Janet wanted Nia to say something first for the conversation that she was looking, it went nowhere.

[Mary]

No, it was super bizarre. And then her conversation with Jasmine was bizarre as well. Jasmine was just trying to eat her taco in peace, you know, And Janet basically apologizes for speaking on stuff that she wasn't involved in. And she talks about how she started therapy and she's working on using not hurtful words. And then they start talking about Jasmine's wedding and who knows if Janet's even gonna be invited at this point. I just don't think Janet is going to repair these friendships, which I think makes it really hard in an ensemble cast because there's gonna be too many teams and alliances. Basically, her only friend right now is Lala, who we don't like, and Michelle. And then it's like team and Britney. Brittany plays both sides, but the other team is Kristen, Nia and Jasmine. And I think when Kristin doesn't like

[Courtney]

you, she will ice.

[Mary]

And she's trying to do that. And Nia is as well. I mean, they're not even acknowledging her.

[Courtney]

But I don't think Mia is trying to ice her out. I think she's like, she just doesn't exist to me. I can sit at a table with her and be fine. It doesn't bother me. There's no tension. When she was walking into the party, like, oh, Janet said there's tension. I didn't see any of It. I didn't feel any of it because she's just such a non factor to her that. That she's like, I'm not wasting brain power. The fact that Janet is in the same room as me now. Kristen will waste brain power. Kristen doesn't have the same level of chill that Nia has. Like, Nia is very much able to like, compartmentalize, do her job. Yes, exactly, exactly. Whereas Kristen is like, I am going to what the out. Like. But Jasmine's read on Janet's interesting because Janet. Janet is trying to make amends, but on camera. And oh, is this going to be my storyline is fixing these relationships. Lala's gonna help me do that. But Jasmine's like, Janet's just Janeting. Things could have happened off camera and then we could have figured out a way to progress forward. I already had a funeral for our friendship. But Janet's waited till filming has started where she probably at the end of the reunion started, needed to start making amends. Yeah.

[Mary]

I wanted to like Janet this season.

[Courtney]

You have been. You're the one who said you did after the premiere.

[Mary]

I know, I know. But this episode did not prove good for her. So Jesse and Zach were not invited to Sosa's birthday party.

[Courtney]

Was Ocean invited to Sosa's birthday party?

[Mary]

So I wonder if she was there but not filmed.

[Courtney]

I hope she's somewhere else. This is a lot of stuff. And Ocean doesn't get to experience, but okay. Jesse and Zach go to this bar that's like down the street from me. And my friend and I actually went when she was visiting because we were like, what is this? We were walking to go meet people at a different bar. And we're like a plane bar. Aviator. Let's go in.

[Mary]

It looks pretty cool, to be honest. 6 out of 10 now. What was the problem?

[Courtney]

Well, the problem is that I think the get is that it's supposed to look like an airplane.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Only one side of the bar is an airplane with the seats like where they were sitting.

[Mary]

I see.

[Courtney]

And so we were sat at a regular table. Now, everyone there was very lovely. They are. The bartenders and wait staff are flight attendants.

[Mary]

I love that. But I want to see them more like in the Britney Spears flight attendant costume.

[Courtney]

I see what you're saying. And then they had like these like mini shot drinks that you could order like a $5 margarita sh. Or whatever that drink. I had two sips of it. I didn't even finish it. My stomach was upset the rest of the night.

[Mary]

Oh, it. It got Something going in you?

[Courtney]

The drink was just not delish and I did not enjoy it. And it kind of ruined my vibe for my dinner. I went to a nice Italian dinner. I couldn't even enjoy a glass of wine because the margarita shot had made me upset.

[Mary]

Oh, I'm so.

[Courtney]

And my stomach upset. We were all upset. We're a mess. Yes. Me and Carl. Like, I do think that Zach is the judge of character for this show. Like, if Zach likes you, I think that is where the litmus test is, if you will. Zach likes you, you're in. Zach doesn't like you. He's right. He likes Lacy.

[Mary]

I know. That's why I like Lacy.

[Courtney]

Okay. I was kind of surprised that Zach wasn't invited to the party.

[Mary]

I was too. And why is there bad blood between Jesse and Lala?

[Courtney]

Remember last year, she yelled at him at a pool party to try to make a scene. Michelle was invited and brought Isabella. Jesse, I can see not coming because she's team Michelle, but I thought it was weird that Zach wasn't invited. I don't know what Zach and Lala's beef is.

[Mary]

Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I gotta get to the bottom of that. Let's wrap this up with Schwartz and Michelle's non date in the Salt Room. Why are they pushing this on us?

[Courtney]

Guys, stop, please. And why are we at another salt Room? We go on this on every series now. We just were there with the Valley Persian Style with Reza Jackson and Gigi.

[Mary]

No, I thought they did get a lot out of this, though. There was a big bang for their buck because the sound was so healing for her. She could feel the energy. She really opened up about her mom's passing, how she's still grieving that, you know, how the divorce has been so hard and the. Then Schwartz, like, been a rough few years. I opened a bar. I put my entire life savings into it. And then my partner. Have you heard of Scandal? Because he's a part of it. He is. Sandoval. So I lost my business and then I got a divorce myself. And, you know, it's just been a wild few years.

[Courtney]

I had a vision. I saw a screaming emerald eagle. That is biblical. And then they're like, you know, let's set up a cast vacation. I've been wanting to go to San Diego. And Michelle grew up in San Diego. I don't think I knew that. And she's like, I used to go to TJ all the time. And I was like, I feel like Mary and Michelle could connect over tj.

[Mary]

That place is wild.

[Courtney]

What was the club that everyone in college would go to? Was it Safari?

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

I never went because I wasn't old enough.

[Mary]

Yeah, it was $20. So you pay 20 bucks, they'd bust you down, all the drinks you wanted and they bus you back home. One time I didn't make the bus home.

[Courtney]

What happened?

[Mary]

That is a tale for another time.

[Courtney]

Courtney. No way. No way. Let's end with this story, please.

[Mary]

Then we were like walking over the freeway pass like it was nuts. I. I don't. We ended up in downtown, like the Gas lamp, you know.

[Courtney]

Okay, we gotta rewind. So you were at the club.

[Mary]

It's really fuzzy. Okay.

[Courtney]

But you were at the club, the bus left, so you just started walking.

[Mary]

Yeah, I do remember. I have a flashback of walking over the overpass because I think we were trying to like we had to cross the border, you know. Then we like ended up in the gas lamp. It was a weird night, you know. That was 20 years ago. I've matured since.

[Courtney]

I don't have any words, so I think the words are bye bye.

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We're lost. It feels like we're going round in circles. I'm gonna ask that man for directions. Hi there. We're trying to get to the state fairground grounds.

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How is their signal out here?

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[Mary]

Actually, can you pull up the way to a T Mobile store?

[Commercial Voice 2]

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[Mary]

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[Commercial Voice]

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[Mary]

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