TJG: The Valley S3 E7!

Summary

Two Judgey Girls – TJG: The Valley S3 E7! (May 15, 2026)

Episode Overview

Courtney (from L.A.) and Mary (from the Bay) break down Season 3, Episode 7 of Bravo’s The Valley—a tension-packed installment full of relationship drama, parental struggles, and one of the most uncomfortable group trips yet. They open with quick hits on Bravo news and gossip before diving into the episode’s emotional and explosive moments, especially the unraveling of Danny and Nia’s marriage and the ongoing cold war between Lacy, Janet, and Michelle. Memorable quotes, emotional commentary, and plenty of "judgey" laughs carry listeners through the recap.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up & Bravo News ([03:18]–[08:06])

• Vacation Prep Stress
  • Courtney and Mary commiserate about millennial vacation anxiety: nails, outfits, packing, waxing, spray tans—“There’s nothing worse than a millennial woman going on vacation. They are stressed.” (Mary, 03:31)
  • “Why did you have to tell me all that? I’m feeling stressed now.” (Courtney, 03:54)
• Somber Note: Archie Boudor’s Passing ([04:52])
  • Both express sadness over Shannon Beador’s beloved dog’s death—Archie, the “number one Bravo dog.”
  • “There’s nothing worse than a pet passing. So sending our love to the Beador women, the Storms, and to our sweet little Archie.” (Mary, 05:35)
• Summer House Rumors & Reactions
  • Sierra’s potential exit stirs speculation after misleading TMZ reports.
    • “Will she be returning?” (Mary, 06:12)
    • “She’s in Cannes right now, living it up.” (Courtney, 06:28)
  • Discourse on Bravo leaks, cast dynamics, and the future of Summer House after major splits and new opportunities.
  • “Ciera is booked and busy... I can understand her wanting to have the summer off.” (Mary, 06:53)

Notable Quote:
“It matters until the reunion where the audience opinion happens.” (Courtney, 08:08)

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2. Summer House Scandals & Social Media ([08:06]–[17:43])

• Casting & Reunion Wishlists
  • Discuss ideal pairings for Watch What Happens Live: “Kyle and Lindsay,” “Wes and Amanda,” “K.J. and Jesse...end with Sierra and Mia.” (Courtney, 09:55)
• Danielle’s Pregnancy & Online Hate
  • Danielle congratulated by Lindsay on IG after announcing her first child; Mary and Courtney condemn negative online comments.
  • “This woman is welcoming a child. Be happy for her, you know?” (Mary, 10:31)
• Amanda’s Wig Scandal
  • Viral clip surfaces: was Amanda wearing a wig at a restaurant?
    • Both find it absurd but hilarious: “I want to believe that it’s Amanda wearing a wig. That just makes me cackle and giggle, and I’m obsessed.” (Mary, 12:26)
• New York Paper Signs & Aggressive Fandom
  • Posters slandering Wes and Amanda in NYC shock both hosts:
    • “People are getting psycho.” (Mary, 14:03)
    • “That’s really weird...there’s a line of bullying and harassment.” (Courtney, 14:05)
• Wes’s Wedding Footage & Rumors
  • Footage misinterpreted by fans—Courtney calls out unhealthy speculation.
• Jesse & Montana Girl: Friendship Fallout
  • Courtney sympathizes with Jesse: “He told me so many lies…now I’m asking about Amanda, and he kept saying no. So I don’t really know what to believe that comes out of his mouth. I think Jesse is really hurt by the situation.” (Mary, 15:56)
• Vagisil Leaning In
  • Vagisil’s “Summer House” social post illustrates the breadth of the scandal:
    • “When you have [Vagisil] like that, I’m like, oh no—really so many people know about this.” (Courtney, 17:05)

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3. The Valley S3 E7 Deep Dive ([20:13]–[55:49])

“The Most Miserable Group Trip Ever” ([20:21]–[21:10])

• The hosts agree: all the cast members are miserable, and it’s contagious.
  • “Everybody on this show is miserable...I am miserable.” (Courtney, 20:23)
  • “To be honest, I thought this was one of the best episodes of the season.” (Mary, 20:41)

Awkward Group Dynamics ([21:10]–[24:07])

• Drafts dinner scene sets an uncomfortable tone: Michelle forced to sit near husband’s new girlfriend, Lacy.
  • “Never would I want to hang out with my ex husband’s new girlfriend. And not only that…there’s three house options, and I have to stay in the main house with them. Are you kidding me?” (Courtney, 21:46)
• Kristen’s postpartum struggle on the San Diego trip.
  • “Kristen just go...If you want Luke to go with you, tell him he needs to come with you.” (Courtney, 23:39)

Parenting Struggles: Kristen & Luke, Nia & Danny ([24:07]–[26:55])

• Empathy for new parents but clear call for support and boundaries.
  • “He’s trying to be a little sympathetic, but he’s also like, and here we are.” (Courtney, 23:26)
  • “It’s too much for her. It’s too much for Nia and this is her fourth time.” (Courtney, 25:15)

Dark Side Danny: Substance Issues & Unraveling Marriage ([27:21]–[29:36])

• Danny’s erratic, drunken behavior and immature conduct is a focal point.
  • “Dark side Danny...the way he spoke to Lala, to Nia, he is disgusting on so many levels.” (Mary, 27:47)
  • “He’s got to go.” (Mary, 29:36)
  • Frustration that Kristen supports Danny in social media comments even after his on-camera outbursts.

Lacy vs. Janet: Receipts, Reddit, and Cease & Desist ([30:00]–[33:58])

• Janet’s tendency to “do research” comes under fire; hosts agree honesty would serve her better.
  • “I wish she would just take ownership for the things she does, and I think that would make her more likable.” (Courtney, 32:05)
• Lacy being called out for RHOC tryouts, becoming Jesse’s girlfriend as a route into reality TV.

Marriage Fallout: Jesse, Michelle, and the Window Incident ([33:40]–[38:53])

• The fight between Lacy and Michelle spirals over past texts, the infamous window-breaking incident, and boundaries regarding Michelle’s daughter.
  • “This went, like, haywire so, so fast...Lacy goes really low and brings up this whole window situation...two completely different stories.” (Mary, 36:25)

Parenting on Parade: Safari Park Disaster ([42:31]–[47:43])

• Both hosts debate the wisdom of bringing babies (and relationship drama) on cast trips.
  • “You’re ruining everybody else’s time by bickering and having the baby there. Just don’t go.” (Courtney, 44:24)
  • Nia’s struggles breastfeeding and Danny’s cluelessness: “...he never knows what time the baby needs to eat, that she needs to release herself. And he’s just, like, so immature.” (Mary, 44:22)

Final Showdown: Danny Disrespects Nia & Lala Intervenes ([50:14]–[55:02])

• Danny becomes verbally aggressive when getting ready for a drag show, berating Nia for her makeup and styling.
• Lala steps in forcefully:
  • “You’re triggering me. Like, this is supposed to be fun. You’re not being kind. It’s not fun. It’s super aggressive and really disrespectful.” (Lala, relayed by Mary, 52:22)
  • “I can’t even imagine what you say to her when the cameras are down, because this is disgusting.” (Lala, relayed by Mary, 52:53)
• Host outrage:
  • “There’s no way he can win the audience back...No recovering from this.” (Mary, 54:55)
  • “You do have a drinking problem and you need to go deal with your shit over there. You’re not even nice to your wife.” (Courtney, 55:04)
  • “Girl, know your worth. Get out.” (Mary, 55:18)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Danny's Downfall:
  • “He’s got to go.” (Mary, 29:36)
  • “She won.” — on Lala’s intervention (Mary, 54:07)
• On Surreal Realities of Reality TV:
  • “It is not normal for exes to be on trips together. It is not normal for these relationships to be together.” (Courtney, 42:31)
• On Janet’s “Detective Work”:
  • “Her pretending that she doesn’t do research on people is not a good look because it’s so obvious that she does, you know, just own up to it.” (Mary, 32:05)
• On Internet & Fan Culture:
  • “That’s, like, really weird.” (Courtney, 14:05)
  • “Go touch grass.” (Mary, 14:48)
• On Relationships & Divorce Fallout:
  • “...he probably fell back and a normal person wouldn’t have.” (Mary, 37:17)
• On Parenting in Public:
  • “And they keep being like, she—I’m so hungry. No. To me, though, if you guys are going to bicker this entire time...just do yourself a fav and sit this one out.” (Courtney, 44:49)

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Important Timestamps

• Vacation Prep & Bravo News: [03:18]–[08:06]
• Archie Boudor Tribute: [04:52]
• Summer House Scandal Updates: [05:53]–[17:43]
• The Valley Recap Begins: [20:13]
• Drafts Dinner Awkwardness: [21:10]–[24:07]
• Kristen’s Postpartum Scene: [21:46]–[26:07]
• Dark Side Danny’s Behavior: [27:21]–[29:36]; [50:14]–[55:18]
• Janet vs. Lacy & Info Gathering: [30:00]–[33:58]
• Michelle & Jesse Window Story: [36:25]–[38:53]
• Safari Park Disaster: [42:31]–[47:43]
• Drag Show Dressing Room Blowup: [50:14]–[55:18]

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Overall Tone & Final Thoughts

Engaging, snarky, and empathetic. Courtney and Mary mix genuine concern for “The Valley’s” cast members with trademark Bravo fandom humor and exasperation, never hesitating to call out toxic behavior or absurd reality TV conventions. They close the episode with a reminder to "surround yourself with positivity" after such an emotionally draining recap.

Sign-off:
“Surround yourself with positivity. Have a fab weekend. We’ll see you Monday.” (Courtney, 55:44)

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For dedicated fans and newcomers alike, this episode delivers a thorough, heartfelt, and incisive look at the ongoing messes—on and off reality TV.

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[Mary]

Welcome back to two Judgy Girls. This is Mary from the Bay and

[Courtney]

it's Courtney from la. Tgif baby.

[Mary]

Happy Friday. You got hot weekend plans?

[Courtney]

No.

[Mary]

You have a lot coming up. You gotta pack for the trip. Get all your ducks in a row. There's nothing worse than a millennial. Women going on a vacation. They are stressed. They gotta get their nails done, they gotta plan out their outfits, they gotta do their laundry, they gotta get the waxes, the spray tans. You got appointments.

[Courtney]

Why did you have to tell me all that? I'm feeling stressed now.

[Mary]

Sorry, I'm.

[Courtney]

The rest. Oh my God, my nails. You're so right. I ripped mine off the other day and I was, I've been looking at nail designs because I'm like, I want one set for Harry Styles, of course, and then like, I want another set for like the rest of the trip. So I'm trying to figure that out, but then it's like, also, yeah, when the hell am I going to do all that? I don't know. I don't know. Later today, like tonight probably. I'm going to start like laying everything out. Like, what am I taking then? You know, you got to edit it and edit it and edit it. And then it's also like, you got to like, have space because they're probably gonna buy things while I'm there.

[Mary]

Of course.

[Courtney]

Stress. So thank you. Tgif. Oh, God, tgit. I wish it was Tuesday four days ago. Anyways, what are your weekend plans?

[Mary]

Nothing.

[Courtney]

Okay. You miss stress with me.

[Mary]

Yeah, I can get stressed out with you.

[Courtney]

Empathetic stress. Thank you.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Thank you. Should we start with the somber news? I'm. I'm pretty. I'm pretty upset about this one. This one this one hit hard. Last night, Shannon let us know that Archie Boudor has passed. I know.

[Mary]

I can't believe he was 10. Doesn't he seem like younger?

[Courtney]

It's just time has flown by. And Archie was all of our dog. I feel like he was the number one dog on Bravo. The number one pet on Bravo. Shannon announced, I think it was, like, early last week that he had had brain cancer. She waited for the daughter that was in Paris, flew home. They all got to say goodbye to. He got treats and got to go to the beach and have, like, his last day. I'm, like, really pretty sad about it.

[Mary]

I mean, there's nothing worse than a pet passing. So sending our love to the bedor women, the storms, and to our sweet little Archie.

[Courtney]

Should we jump into all the Summer House news? You just don't record for a day?

[Mary]

Well, as Sierra said, she said I took one day off because basically TMZ reported like, no, she's definitely still going to be on Summer House. And she's like, my team did not talk to TMZ and they never will. So it's kind of like up in the air. Will she be returning?

[Courtney]

So TMZ then changed the article saying she could do Summer House. Not that she will be, but she could. But I took it, though, as she was also saying, like, Amanda's team and west team, like, they tell TMZ stuff. I don't say shit.

[Mary]

Oh, okay.

[Courtney]

And she's in Cannes right now, living it up.

[Mary]

She's going to do the red carpet there. I think.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary]

That maybe she won't come back. Think about it. I feel like Paige, kind of a big weight was lifted off her shoulders when she didn't have to go back

[Courtney]

to Summer House, didn't have to address the breakup, didn't have to do that anymore.

[Mary]

Yes. And Ciera is booked and busy. She has Love Island. She has Dancing with the Stars. I can understand her wanting to have the summer off and kind of, like, move past this whole situation and just move forward.

[Courtney]

I think it depends on the cast, and I could see that also being a deciding factor. And we. We like to say, you know, it doesn't. It matters until the reunion where the audience opinion happens. If they were going to bring back Wes and Amanda and she doesn't want to put herself in that house with them, then, like, goodbye. She's over. She's done with it. They're not going to. And she wants to be in the house. I think it's obviously her choice to make. I don't even think contracts have gone out yet for it. We still have a July 4th weekend until it all kicks off, so I think she has time to decide what do I want to do. I would like for her to at least have a weekend or two in the house where she shows up and has a good time. We get a final send off of the costumes. Like, her last costume is going to be this outfit. This is a cute costume and all, but this is not the way I want Sierra going out with her costume. She needs to come back for one final costume party. Mm.

[Mary]

I kind of want her to go because she's bigger and better than it. Sure.

[Courtney]

Okay. Okay, I'm open. The world is her oyster.

[Mary]

And guys, you guys, I'm so. I mean, Tuesday is. It's the big day. It's going to be the finale. It's going to be the city. Kyle and Lindsay are going to be on watch what happens live together. I cannot wait. Will they talk about Amanda in this wig? Let's talk about Amanda in this wig.

[Courtney]

Also, though, you had said you thought Lindsay would be on the finale, and I was like, I don't think so. She was just on, like, a couple of weeks ago, like, two weeks ago. But you were right. I wanted to just give you your flowers there because you corrected that, and I think it's perfect to have them. But then I thought, does that mean that Sierra's not going to be on it?

[Mary]

I mean, clearly they want to promote the city right now because that's the intention there. I. I don't know.

[Courtney]

Okay, here's what I think would be kind of funny. Okay. You have Kyle and Lindsay this week. Then they also have Luke and Danny on Wednesday. I'm like, oh, okay, so we'll just watch Tuesday twice. We don't need to watch Wednesday. It's better to put them together so that everybody can just skip one episode and not have to skip two episodes of watch what happens live.

[Mary]

I, like, have this weird feeling that, like, Danny's not gonna make that.

[Courtney]

Oh, I. I think he's going to blame editing. I don't know if he'll come to the reunion, but I think he will be coming to watch what happens live, pleading his case, and then we'll see from there, but I won't be watching. You could give me the highlights. You could text them all to me.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Courtney]

Okay. But then I also think you need an episode with Wes and Amanda on it.

[Mary]

That would be goals. I'd love to watch that personally.

[Courtney]

And then I want, like, K.J. and Jesse, maybe. And then I want you to end with Sierra and Mia.

[Mary]

Love it. Sign me up.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Now, I know that won't happen because we're gonna get in the city, people. But, like, in my ideal world, I'm like, I would love for it to be boom, boom, boom, boom, and help.

[Mary]

And Danielle would be kind of interesting to pair with someone from summer house because she knows the players and she's gonna be in the city. And major congrats to her. She's welcoming her first baby. Super exciting. I wonder what Lindsay has to say about this.

[Courtney]

She congratulated her on ig. I feel a little bad because she's posting that people are mean.

[Mary]

I think that's disgusting. I mean, this woman is welcoming a child. Be happy for her, you know?

[Courtney]

Well, or don't comment.

[Mary]

Exactly.

[Courtney]

Yeah. And I know we're judgy. We had posted and people were saying things. I'm like, oh, my God.

[Mary]

No, it just like, the first thing that came to my mind was that conversation that Danielle had to Lindsay on camera. But it's also a kind of different

[Courtney]

scenario now where she said, like, this is over.

[Mary]

Like, you can't bring a baby to the summer house, but you don't have

[Courtney]

to when you're on in the city. Babies can stay in the city.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

But also, like, it was very fast for her. How long has she been with this guy?

[Mary]

Oh, I think they've been together a while.

[Courtney]

Oh, no, no. I'm just saying, like, I feel like all these things that she said to Lindsay are now coming back, like, to around to her. But I'm like, you know what? Congrats, Congrats. Let's go back to Amanda in the wig. So there was this video that came out yesterday and it was somebody in a restaurant and it appeared to be Amanda in a wig.

[Mary]

I thought it looked like her. It looks like her face.

[Courtney]

Yeah. And then also there's a friend next to her that it looks like. The friend is also in a wig now. It's come out today. It's not Amanda. Someone's like, that's like, actually my friend. And like, this is so weird because they're being so mean to Amanda, you know, oh, who is this? Edna mode, like, in this terrible wig. And then I thought if it was her and she's wearing this wig and it looks like her friend is too. So maybe she's at a wig party. I don't know. We don't know the details. We have this three second video, and if she is, let's just say her friend isn't wearing a wig, and she's wearing a wig out. Because she's gotta still go live her life. Imagine, like, you being in a scandal and then being like, I have to go to my friend's dinner. And then you're like, okay, well, I don't want to draw attention to the person's dinner, so I'll try to, like, be more inconspicuous. And then people see you, and they just rail on her. But I'm like, it looks like she was at a wig party.

[Mary]

Okay, first of all, I want to believe that it's Amanda wearing a wig. And that just makes me cackle and giggle, and I'm obsessed with it. Like, I. The someone is in a restaurant being like, is that person wearing a wig? Wait, I actually recognize that person. She is the girl that slept with. Let me tell you guys everything. You know? Like, this is how I imagine that going down. However, if this isn't even Amanda, is this even actually a wig?

[Courtney]

I don't.

[Mary]

Do you know what I mean? Like, it's this person's real hair. Yeah. Yeah.

[Courtney]

And everyone just, like, wants to, like, rail on her. And so then it's like, it's not even her. This poor girl.

[Mary]

So I'm just gonna believe that it was Amanda wearing a wig. That's more fun.

[Courtney]

Yeah. People are trying to, like, grasp at things. There's things that you can be mad at Amanda about, but what is she supposed to do, not live her life?

[Mary]

Well, we did get, like, a lot of. Basically, people in New York were putting up on, like, you know, telephone poles and stuff, like, posters of west and Amanda, like, a couple weeks ago. Did you ever see these?

[Courtney]

No. Tell me more.

[Mary]

Oh, my gosh. My cousin, she sent me. She lives in New York. And people were putting on, like, telephone polls. Beware, West. TD and Scamanda. Schmuck, snake scums. Both will betray you. And one is riddled with STDs. And the photos of them, like, people are getting psycho.

[Courtney]

No, that's weird.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Courtney]

That's, like, really weird.

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[Courtney]

I know.

[Mary]

Insane.

[Courtney]

I don't like that. It's like, don't touch the poop, you know? Also, it was last weekend. West was at a wedding. And there's, like, this dance floor footage that came out. Did you see that? And he's literally, like, whispering into one of his girl space friends. A girl. He's, like, whispering to her. And they're like, he's making out with her. Like, you can clearly see a hand in that. I just feel like, people are looking for. And look, I want details. Like, I am no better except for that I'm. When I see something and it's being read wrong or said wrong, like, that feels weird. Like, the signage that someone's making that. That feels like there's a line of, like, bullying and harassment.

[Mary]

Go touch grass.

[Courtney]

Yeah. And then there's, like, us. You want to, like, peer through the window. Not window. When they're being intimate. Freaks. But you know what I mean. They're in a microscope.

[Mary]

Yes. Will we see them this weekend? What are they gonna do?

[Courtney]

Well, I mean, I hope if she wears a better wig if we're gonna see her. Are they laying low? I mean, maybe they don't want to be seen anymore. Who knows? Maybe they're not talking. I don't know.

[Mary]

I really hope we see them this week. It's Friday night, baby. They love to go out on the weekends.

[Courtney]

I mean, he posted yesterday, his kickball team, they won. They're undefeated. It sounds like they're going into the playoffs now. And I just laugh because I'm like, he's just posted. No biggie. No biggie.

[Mary]

That wasn't a repost. That was his post.

[Courtney]

No, that was. That was his own photo. His own photo. But then also. So Jesse's on, like, a press tour right now, and he's obviously being asked a lot of questions. And so he seemed to know about Montana Girl now. He just said. I assumed they had an agreement.

[Mary]

I kind of feel bad for Jesse because I think him and west are very good friends, and they came onto the show together at the same time. They're buddies. They've shared a room multiple summers. And I think Jesse feels betrayed by him. He's like, I don't really know what was real. Like, he told me so many lies. This Montana girl, yeah, I knew about her, but I thought they had an understanding. And then I started asking him about Amanda, and he kept saying no. So I don't really know what to believe that comes out of his mouth. I think Jesse is really hurt by the situation, and we know Carl's a mess.

[Courtney]

Well, yeah. Yeah, well. And then he also said, too, when KJ read that text on Watch what happens Live, Wes sent me basically the same text. And then I'm thinking, like, you guys aren't in a group chat, all copy, pasting these texts to each other, trying to compare notes at this point, like, what did he say to you? What do you. What did he say to you? Every day? Keep thinking, like, what's going to come out who's he hooking up with next that's going to be exposed. Or before. The whole thing just feels crazy. It's crazy.

[Mary]

It's crazy. We cannot wait for Tuesday.

[Courtney]

I mean, I. Oh, it's gonna be insane. Also though, we have to talk about Vagisil because they posted. Their social media team posted a photo of the Vagisil with a summer house in the back. I said that social media team, way to go. And then I start thinking, because I start thinking about these things like Scandival or West side Story and like how big it is because you think, oh, is this just big in the Bravo world? We're so in it. We know all the details. But then when you have it like that, I'm like, oh no. Like really so many people know about this.

[Mary]

It's across the pond. Corny. Micah told us made it across the pond.

[Courtney]

I know. It's just like, I feel like when I see that, like Vagisil leaning in.

[Mary]

Right, right.

[Courtney]

I'm like, oh, no, we're, we're something. Our little niche, our little niche community. We're international. Anything else or should we take a break and come back and talk the value.

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[Mary]

We're lost.

[Lost Person 1]

It feels like we're going round in circles. I'm going to ask that man for directions. Hi there. We're trying to get to the state fairgrounds.

[Lost Person 2]

Well, you're going to take a left at the old oak tree at this here road. Nah, I'm just kidding. Let me get my phone out.

[Lost Person 1]

How is there signal out here?

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T Mobile and US Cellular are coming together. So the network out here is huge. We get the same great signal as the city, saving a boatload with benefits. And there's a five year price guarantee too. Okay, here's the turn.

[Lost Person 1]

Actually, can you pull up the way to a table.

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[Mary]

Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty.

[Therapist Voice]

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[Mary]

Everything is all right.

[Courtney]

I'm all right. A little recipe today.

[Mary]

Extra grit, extra grip.

[Courtney]

Because we're. I feel like we're driving on dirt roads. We're in San Diego and I just gotta tell you, everybody on this show is miserable. They are so miserable that I am miserable. They. I was watching this episode, I'm like, God, this feels so long. And then you told me today was extended. This is not gonna extended episode.

[Mary]

No extra 15 minutes. To be honest, I thought this was one of the best episodes of the season.

[Courtney]

I agree. Except that I'm like, everybody hates each other. Nobody is happy. The ones in relationships aren't happy with each other. This is a tough watch to watch. Relationships, just different dynamics, seeing everyone. Like, I don't wanna ever stay in a fucking Airbnb with these people. Where is my hotel room?

[Mary]

This was tough. This was tough. So it starts out, we all go to drafts and we're gonna have a sit down. And Michelle's like, are you kidding me? Out of all the seats left, I can either sit next to Lacy or across from her. Like, absolutely not. And luckily Janet saved her and let her sit next to her, which I get. It's like, why would I want to sit next to my ex husband's new girlfriend? Truly crazy.

[Courtney]

Like, this is not normal. Never would I want to hang out with my ex husband. By the way, they're not even Divorced. They're not even divorced.

[Mary]

That's good point.

[Courtney]

So I'm gonna say X for the reason, but, like, never would I want to hang out with my ex husband's new girlfriend. Okay. I'm not Gina from Real Housewives of Orange County. Okay. I'm glad you guys have a good relationship. And then if I'm the girlfriend, never do I want to hang out with my boyfriend's ex wife. I don't want to do it. And not only that, we're in the same house. There's three house options, and I have to stay in the main house with them. Are you kidding me?

[Mary]

It's awful. It's awful.

[Courtney]

Terrible.

[Mary]

And it's as awful as Kristen's first period post baby. She is dying in Luke. You can tell. Like, you go, like, I get it. You don't have to stay here anymore, but I'm not going with you. I'll bring you back food, okay? Just go. You're miserable. I don't want to be around you any longer. I can't help you. I'm not in your body. Go home. And also, that period is wild. I can speak to it. It really, really, really is. And I am very sympathetic towards her because I can't imagine going on, like, roller coasters, filming a show, being away from your baby, and you want to feel like you feel like. And, yeah, you just want to.

[Courtney]

Also, this was, like, so tough because I wanted to just be like, kristen, just go. Just get up from the table and go. But she, like, wanted Luke to go with her, and I'm like, just tell him you want him to go with you, because he. He doesn't want to, but if he wants to be a good partner, then he should. And then when she goes, are you just saying all of this because you're mic'd up? Which I did feel like he was. She's got hormones running through her.

[Mary]

She has postpartum anxiety. It's called pva.

[Courtney]

Like, truly, like, she is experiencing all of this. It's been three months.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Luke, I feel like he's trying to be a little sympathetic, but he's also like, and here we are. And he doesn't want to go back with her because he's afraid.

[Mary]

He's like, I need some time away from you. Please go. Please, I'm begging you.

[Courtney]

They're standing in the corner. So then everybody's kind of. Zach comes up to her. This isn't what I wanted. Like, Mia comes up to her. Britney comes up to her. It's like, Kristen Just go. Just do yourself a favor and go. And if you want Luke to go with you, tell him he needs to come with you. He's like, I'll bring you back some wings and fried pickles. It's like, this is, it's too much.

[Mary]

I actually think Luke had a pretty good week. What do you think?

[Courtney]

So did you watch the after show?

[Mary]

I did, I did. Okay, you have that one comment that you'd like to speak to. Wait, before we, before we talk about that. I thought they had a nice heart to heart on the bench. Like, yes, they were really communicating. They were listening to each other. They're, you know, I love you. We gotta respect each other. You know, you make me feel like I'm not a good dad. I feel like I'm failing you. It's just like too much. And Kristen takes some ownership of this. It's just a lot. And it is, it's a lot having a new baby in your life. And he's like, I don't know how much is this is normal. Like, yeah, we're new parents, but is

[Courtney]

it supposed to be this insane?

[Mary]

So there's a lot going on. I feel for them.

[Courtney]

I, I do too. But I'm also like, it's been three months where I feel like he's talking about that. This has been like a year and it's like you. It is going to be crazy. They shouldn't have picked up filming. They should have given Kristen a couple of months and let her come in at the end of filming or not required her to go on these vacations. It's too much for her. It's too much for Nia and this is her fourth time.

[Mary]

It's also crazy that they took the train down. Like, how much easier would it have been for Danny, Nia, Luke, and Kristen to drive down, just the four of them with all the babies stuff.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I can see where Luke is coming from in certain aspects. Like, I get it. But I'm also like, right now, just be there for Kristen and when she's doing this, either send her home and just make sure she gets in the car. Okay, Tell her, I got this. I'm going to do the job. I'll do the job for us. I'll stay here. I'll do this. And then you go lay down and go take care of yourself. And why don't you, instead of me being there, leave the baby with the nanny too. Go take a bath, go do whatever. Have some time off camera.

[Mary]

Right?

[Courtney]

And I feel like when he keeps saying, oh, I'm not in your body. I'm not in your body. It's like, that's unhelpful. Those words are unhelpful.

[Mary]

I know. Yeah.

[Courtney]

But then on the after show, this little shit. So sitting on the after show, it's Luke, it's Dani, and it's Jesse, and they're talking about Luke and Kristen getting married, and they don't really think it'll happen until, like, 2028. I think Kristin might say that with. And she's talking to Nia, and he's talking about who might be the officiant, because we're talking about Jesse potential officiating Michelle and Jasmine's wedding. And Danny's like, well, I'm ordained. I could do this. Jesse and him are joking about it. But then Luke says, well, it can't be either of you, because I want both of you on my bachelor party. And at bachelor parties, things happen and secrets need to be kept. And I wouldn't want my officiant to know any of those secrets.

[Mary]

Not a good look.

[Courtney]

What the are you doing on your bachelor party? Literally, Jesse's like, so it's not just guys getting drunk and golfing because Jess didn't have a bachelor party. Oh, my God. Literally talking about basically doing something that could hurt your relationship. If Kristen found out, like, what the hell?

[Mary]

Like, no. Ew was not a good look. That was not smart to say.

[Courtney]

And then, like, him and Danny are snickering. Like, Danny, you shut the up, you short piece of.

[Mary]

What was your line on Threads this week when you watched the episode?

[Courtney]

I'm sorry, you guys, for my rage. This show brings out. I am like Kristen, and I'm not. I don't even have postpartum. I'm prepartum over here. Okay? But I said, look, I know you can't control your height, but Danny deserves to be short.

[Mary]

Danny, really? There's no way to get out of this. The way that he spoke to Lala, to Nia, he is disgusting on so many levels. The way that it first started at that draft's dinner, and he is so wasted on camera. I was truly shocked he was allowed to have drinks on camera again. And then I'm like, is he, like, a really big lightweight? Is he mixing something? It seems like he goes from 0 to 60 really fast. Like, she's starting. The whole table starts to feel uncomfortable because he's being rude. He is shouting out. And they all seem, like, very nervous. Like, what is to come next?

[Courtney]

He's just being annoying, too. Totally.

[Mary]

Totally. And I have to say, like, maybe Janet was right.

[Courtney]

You know, I feel like him and Nia had an agreement. Like, no drinking on camera. Like, we're not going to let people accuse us. Even though he's going to make the accusations loud enough for Janet to hear. Don't get sleepy, Michelle, because then they'll accuse you of being an alcoholic. But he's slurring all of his words, and I'm like, so Janet wasn't wrong with dark side Danny. It was her delivery of like, yeah. And once she said it out loud, she needed to drop it because she said it. She put it out there. And maybe she could have used different words, whatever. But I don't think she was wrong.

[Mary]

I definitely think she was right.

[Courtney]

You could just tell he's annoying. Just, like, standing in the corner wanting attention so badly that he, like, overcompensates in it. And he thinks he's so funny because his son said he was funny. And it's like, danny, you're not funny.

[Mary]

No, I. This man, like, repulses me. So disgusting. He's gotta go.

[Courtney]

He's got to go.

[Mary]

Like, I really do think this is their last season.

[Courtney]

Yeah, I don't know that he shows up to the reunion. Kristen's already in the comments offending him. Kristen, I want your battle.

[Mary]

So shocked to see that too. I'm like, really? After the way that he spoke to Nia and then Lala definitely just be quiet.

[Courtney]

Don't touch it. That's not even your battle.

[Mary]

Let's talk about Lacy versus Janet.

[Courtney]

So Janet has this way. And Jesse did make me laugh. He's like, see, these apologies are why people don't like you. Janet keeps doing this thing where she's like, hey, do you mind if we talk? And then she's like, if you have anything to say, here's your moment. And it's like, no, Janet, you are asking the people to talk. Same thing with, like, Nia earlier in this season. She's like, why don't you tell me the things that you're upset about so that I only have to apologize for those as opposed to just saying what you did.

[Mary]

And what Lacy is really upset about is that Janet told everyone about the cease and desist and the after show tells you a lot. Janet is like, I go on Reddit to read about, like, does she say, like, science experiments or something? Like, she says something so weird. She's like, no, no, no. I'm only on my phone a couple hours a day. I do no digging. Zach is like, she has A file on every single person. At the end of the day, we know Janet does her research. I think she is in the comments, listening to podcasts on Reddit. She knew that Lacy tried out for rhoc and it's like, just be forthcoming. Like, yeah, I read about everyone, as the housewives say. Like, we see it in the tabloids. This is nothing to be ashamed of. Lacy tried out for Orange County. It's not that big of a deal.

[Courtney]

17 times.

[Mary]

I don't think it was 17 times. I think she, like, test shot a couple times. But I also think that Lacey was really protective because her divorce wasn't finalized and her custody wasn't finalized.

[Courtney]

I wish Janet would just say what Lacy said. Like, michelle is my bestie. You are the new girlfriend of her ex who's going to be around my child. And so we wanted to know. And then you know what? Yeah. When you guys did that shit at Yamashiro last season, it was weird. So then you, like, do threaten these cease and desist. And now Michelle has it. And Janet said on the after show, too, you know, Michelle. Michelle reached out because Jason's a lawyer and was like, what do I do with this? What lawyer do I need to have? So of course I'm getting myself involved. Like, I wish she would just take ownership for the things she does, and I think that would make her more likable.

[Mary]

Her pretending that she doesn't do research on people is not a good look because it's so obvious that she does, you know, just own up to it.

[Courtney]

Yeah, right. Exactly. And at the end of the day, it's like, Lacy is now on this show. They need to all move past it because this show has a problem with accepting apologies and moving on.

[Mary]

I will say I did giggle when Lacey told us David Hasselhoff blocked me insane with his new girlfriend.

[Courtney]

It wasn't even. He wasn't even the one I slept with. When Janet, like, walks off because Jesse starts yelling at her and she, like, flips the camera off, I'm like, oh, God, I love a middle finger.

[Mary]

I know. Also, the way that Lacy was, like, obsessed with Jesse apologizing, this episode was really interesting. She's like, you need to apologize to Janet for the way that you spoke to her. Then later on, Michelle, you're giving me the ick. She definitely seems like the person that wants to take the high road. Yeah, it appears that way.

[Courtney]

Do you think she got with Jesse to get on the show because Orange county didn't work out?

[Mary]

I thought about this. Definitely crossed my Mind. But at the same time, they've known each other for, like, a decade, so it's not like she could predict that he was going to be on a reality TV show. I mean, did they date about timing? They've been talking to each other for 10 years.

[Courtney]

Okay. But they both had full on marriages and children.

[Mary]

Yeah, timing's wild. Timing's wild.

[Courtney]

But maybe she did start dating him because he was on the show and I was like, I kind of like him, even though I think I don't.

[Mary]

I think I actually really like them as a couple. I think he bows down to her. She puts him in his place. They seem happy together. Their girls get along.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary]

I think they're sweet. I. I root for them personally. No, I agree.

[Courtney]

I think they have good banter, too. And I think she, like, holds him, like, accountable.

[Mary]

Yes. And he respects her. And he didn't respect Michelle. That was kind of the problem there.

[Courtney]

Well, I think he did respect Michelle. I think him and Michelle probably had a very similar relationship to the way that he and Lacy have. But then when the kids happened and Covid happened, things flipped and things changed.

[Mary]

Remember when he came back from his ayahuasca trip with the beeping and the flip flops? Like, it's so crazy that we started this show and they were together. Like, doesn't that feel like so long ago? And I can't even believe that we saw them married together. Guys, we're only on season three. I know.

[Courtney]

So when they're in that kitchen, too, because Lacy's like, you need to apologize to Jason. Because I also. I'm sorry. I like Jason. Jason's also very attractive, especially in a backwards hat.

[Mary]

And he has that woman's back. Like, he is right or die for Janet. You need a man like that.

[Courtney]

Yes. And, like, whether she's right or wrong, he's got her back, especially publicly. And that's very sexy.

[Mary]

Completely.

[Courtney]

But then Britney and I love, too, that Jesse calls this out. But, like, Britney's like, you know, Lacey, Lacey, I think you and Michelle need to talk about all the things in the past. Michelle's like, what? She's like, oh. Oh, shoot. Are you. Have you been sitting there the whole time? Oh, it's date night.

[Mary]

No, but Jesse is like, I don't know if she does it purposely or she was trained by Jax. It's unclear, but I totally. I'm naive for Britney. I don't think she has bad intentions.

[Courtney]

Oh, God, she has the worst intentions.

[Mary]

Oh, that breaks my heart. She's just a Kentucky Girl, okay?

[Courtney]

She's been, like, out of Kentucky for a while. The accent gets stronger. I don't understand that. I don't understand.

[Mary]

I don't know. I like Britney. I think she's kind.

[Courtney]

I'm also like, what is the timeline here? What time are we at in the house? I kept trying to see, like, a clock. For what? Like, what time it was because we've all started drinking. Because then Brittany, you know, they need to talk. And then, like, Michelle, today's like, you threatened to sue me, right? And then Lacy's like, so here's why I'm pissed, because you called me ugly. You called me that thing. I will never be Isabella's stepmom. Like, why did Jesse show these texts to her?

[Mary]

That was actually insane. This went, like, haywire so, so fast. And then Lacy goes really low and brings up this whole window situation. And we hear from Jesse's side and Michelle's side, and they're two completely different stories. So Jesse's version of the story is they were talking about a real estate deal. He was doing his laundry, she pushed him, and his hand went through the window. Michelle's version of this story is that Jesse was drunk and kind of felt. She says she softly pushed him and he.

[Courtney]

And he, like, fell into the window. But which. What do you believe? His story, her story, or the truth? Three sides to each story.

[Mary]

It sounds like a window was definitely broken. I want to say there was alcohol involved. I do want to say that Michelle probably did push him, but because he was wasted and probably that in her space control that he probably fell back and a normal person wouldn't have.

[Courtney]

Do you think he was wearing those flip flops when he was getting pushed?

[Mary]

Could be.

[Courtney]

He loves a song. Flip flop. And then it's like, how did we get here? Everyone's screaming. It's so insane. Because we're in the Upside down because of the amount of times I agree with Lala. Lala, like, call me. He's like, she brought this up. Why is she bringing up something about their marriage that she is not privy to? This is getting out of. Why am I agreeing with her?

[Mary]

No, Lala called. She's like, michelle, like, they got under your skin. Like, they won there. You got so activated. That girl barely likes him.

[Courtney]

Divorce me. She's being performative. It's like, Jesse, just divorce her, though.

[Mary]

I know. Then I thought it was crazy that Jasmine was, like, taking Jesse's side on this one and then pretending to order a vibrator for Michelle via doordash. It was weird. Funny.

[Courtney]

It's like. And also like when you're doing that in your talking head that's filmed months later, you're not ordering her a vibrator on doordash.

[Mary]

Yeah, this fight got really low though, because we hear about these texts and we hear about this window situation. It escalated really, really fast.

[Courtney]

Yeah. Okay, let's take a break and come back with the next morning.

[Mary]

We're lost.

[Lost Person 1]

It feels like we're going round in circles. I'm going to ask that man for directions. Hi there. We're trying to get to the state fairgrounds.

[Lost Person 2]

Well, you're going to take a left at the old oak tree at this here road N. I'm just kidding. Let me get my phone out.

[Lost Person 1]

How is their signal out here?

[Lost Person 2]

T Mobile and US Cellular are coming together so the network out here is huge. We get the same great signal as the city, saving a boatload with benefits. And there's a five year price guarantee too. Okay, here's the turn.

[Lost Person 1]

Actually, can you pull up the way to a T Mobile store?

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[Mary]

You too.

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[Courtney]

vacation rental that's loved for all the right reasons.

[Mary]

Reasons I love my verbo for the location.

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[Lost Person 1]

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[Mary]

I don't want to hear about Schwartz's sex dreams. They talked about this for so long on the after show. I'm not interested at all. Also, I don't think Lala's even wild in the bedroom. I'm calling it I'll never know and

[Courtney]

nor do I want to. But he's like, I had a fleshly sex dream about us. Schwartz is so pathetic. It is embarrassing to watch him on camera.

[Mary]

Schwartz doesn't. He doesn't bother me. To be honest, I kind of like him. He's fine. Lala bothers me more. Although I loved her this week. But let's just talk about the safari

[Courtney]

park because why do we have to do this? We don't need to go on these trips. It is not normal for exes to be on trips together. It is not normal for these relationships to be together. People who cannot stand each other to be staying in the same house. It's not normal.

[Mary]

True. You're. Are you saying you don't want them to go on trips on this show?

[Courtney]

Not in this capacity where we're all staying in the same house. If you want to put them in a hotel where we can have like different groups together, that's. That's fine. But like, don't try to tell me that Lacy is staying in the house. Like, she's like, you girls are mean girls. She tells that to Janet and she's like, no, we don't talk about you. And then they're all four in a room while Janet's being so silly in a massage chair talking shit. And Lacy's in the room next door. Like, it's so awkward because it's like, these situations would never happen.

[Mary]

Right? They're all high, which is in the chair. Yeah, yeah.

[Courtney]

Lala's not.

[Mary]

That's the only one not.

[Courtney]

I know. I guess it's just like, these are such a natural situation that we're putting people in that we're actually at this point, just waiting for someone to pop off.

[Mary]

Well, and Danny's really the one that pops off. Thing about Danny, he doesn't know what's going on. So he doesn't know when the baby needs to be fed. And I don't think he understands the concept. Nia's like, so every three hours on the dot, the baby needs to be fed. Also, I'm uncomfortable if I don't feed the baby in that time. So no matter what, the baby has to be with us all the time. Because guess what? The baby doesn't take a bottle. And it's like, he doesn't comprehend that. So she's, like, so frustrated with him all the time because he never knows what time the baby needs to eat, that she needs to release herself. And he's just, like, so immature.

[Courtney]

I have to say something.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

Please don't go to the safari park, guys. You're ruining everybody else's time by bickering and having the bab there. Just don't go at the safari park at this point. Let the cameras go. I understand. Nia is giving her body, and I'm like, I keep feeling bad every time they have to show a clip or a sound bite of her saying, I'm hungry. It's like, yeah, of course she is. She's literally giving her body to this baby all day long every three hours, as you said. Right?

[Mary]

Like.

[Courtney]

And they keep being like, she. I'm so hungry. Like, no. To me, though, if you guys are going to bicker this entire time where Danny's like, can the nanny come on the safari truck with us then? And she can hold the baby while we're sitting here doing our job. And I feel like, like, sometimes, too. It's like Nia wants him to be so much more present. He's like, he's not.

[Mary]

I know.

[Courtney]

Well, he's not and so you're ruining everyone else's day right now.

[Mary]

But also they're just working like they, I feel like they had to do

[Courtney]

this maybe, but get me on the other safari truck. I, I, I don't want to be on this one with them. You clearly like, Nia's so uncomfortable. The baby is hot. There's no shade. Jesse's like, here's my hat to fan the baby. Like, it's just uncomfortable. Just do yourself a fav like and sit this one out.

[Mary]

It was just so tough to watch. And it just also shows the difference between a man and a woman.

[Courtney]

100%. What? 100%. I think that production could have let her slide from this one. And of course, you know, Danny wants to go because he has to be the front and center because he's like, how do I sneak white claws here?

[Mary]

He, yes, you're so right. He also thought this trip was going to be so different. He's like, great, we got the nanny. She's going to take the baby the whole time and Nia will just have to feed the baby. And it's like that's not how it works. You know, like she wants to be with the baby. She's attached to the baby. The baby wants to be with her. Like it's not just like you can just hand it off and like shut off your emotions. Also she, I, like she literally can't get away from the baby because ideally the baby's eating every three hours, but it's like they need breastfeeding. They go through the milk way faster. So it's like could be every two hours.

[Courtney]

Like, well, and it's not just a five minute suckle.

[Mary]

Yeah, yeah.

[Courtney]

Right. Like it's a no, but like it's a process. Right. So like I feel, I feel terrible for Nia. I just also, I'm like, I wish and I, she just can't. She's just so you could just see how tired she is and how frustrated she is because Danny's like, no, that's what the nanny's for. And she's like, I need you to be a parent.

[Mary]

Yeah. Yeah. Sucks.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Courtney]

So I, for me, I wish that they just wouldn't have come to the safari park at this point.

[Mary]

It's also interesting, like think about Nia last year, how she would try to do everything off camera and like walk away from this situations in this season she is exposing them and even in her confessional they ask like, how are you feeling in this moment? And she's feeling two ways don't come into my marriage. Yeah.

[Courtney]

And then. And then two. I'm glad someone else is seeing this.

[Mary]

Yeah. That kind of says it all. She's willing to show his cracks, his weaknesses. When, like, last season she wasn't.

[Courtney]

Then this week, like, they have a podcast, apparently, and she's, like, back to defending him, and she's not gonna leave him.

[Mary]

So lala, on Watch what Happens Live, basically said that she wishes that Nia would leave Danny.

[Courtney]

Yikes. Yikes. But that's. I don't think that's gonna happen. I think that they'll probably, at some point, have 500 bucks.

[Liv Albert]

Stop.

[Mary]

Make it stop. Okay, let's talk about Lacy and Michelle. Lacy is wearing the Kathy Hilton hat. I got to wear this at Bahamar. Lacy does apologize, and she's just like, michelle, I want to get along with you. And Michelle's like, well, you know what? A lot of shit happened. Like, he was never supposed to introduce you to Isabella. Like, I show up at his house, and your car's in the driveway. Like, that was so fucked up. And I left my marriage for a reason. You are getting one side of the story. And at the end of the day, don't talk about my marriage and my past with my friends. You don't know the whole story. You're hearing Jesse's side of the story, and that's where my boundaries are, and that's where the line is, is, I thought Michelle did a good job defending

[Courtney]

herself, but I also wish that Michelle would have apologized for the text that she said that would be. That's what Lacy was looking for, too. And I think that Lacy did take accountability and was like, you're right. Like, I'm sorry. And she's like, you know, you said some really mean things. And she did that. She sent that to hurt Jesse, right? Like, not because she wants to hurt Lacy. It's like, she wants to hurt Jesse. And so I wish she could have just said, you know what? It could have been whoever. Obviously, you're here now. So, like, it's a totally different situation. But when I saw that, I saw red. Like, that's my daughter. Or. And I shouldn't have said it. You're right.

[Mary]

Yeah, that would have been nice.

[Courtney]

And I think that they could have, like, moved forward from that. I thought it was a nice conversation, though. Again, lala, the voice of reasons, like, just have a combo with her. Like, what the. Where are we? The safari park. When they also were all ziplining, by the way. First off, the camera angle was rude. Who's putting a camera here. Not one person looked good in that. Like the GoPro was on their chest looking straight up like, we don't need to see the angle. Guys, guys, we don't need. We just saw ziplining on Southern hospitality.

[Mary]

That ziplining looks kind of cool though.

[Courtney]

But don't scream because the animals. Not the fact that there's people that are flying over these animals heads where they're like, what the. But it's the scream that would be weird to them. Yeah, I will say too. Zach not going when he's like, I'd love a rhino full of vodka.

[Mary]

Then he brings back four locos to the house. Oh, they are getting ready for this drag show. Luke is going to be the Little Mermaid. You know, that's his hall pass.

[Courtney]

He's gonna himself tonight.

[Mary]

Okay. And then Danny is basically bombed again and just starts going off at Nia.

[Courtney]

What?

[Mary]

Where have you been? Everyone's been getting ready for 20 minutes. We are here to win in. And this is just like, honestly, so disgusting. The way he was talking to her.

[Courtney]

She's like, I'm literally trying to put the baby down. He's like, you know, I'm not getting enough attention. And like, there's not enough thought being put into this. I think he's drunk and he thinks

[Mary]

he's playing a character.

[Courtney]

Right? But what he's actually doing is embarrassing Nia in front of everyone. Like, you're the pageant girl. We should be winning this. And she's like, do you want a full face of makeup? And he's like, I don't know. You tell me. And she's like, she's just so tired because again, what time is it? How long were we at the park for? It is dark now.

[Mary]

But he's genuinely getting mad at his wife, saying, my dress isn't tight enough. This wig, this is how my hair is going to be. You don't even know my complexion. I mean, it was disgusting. And her staying very calm and just saying, you're being really critical.

[Courtney]

Stop.

[Mary]

Like, she couldn't have been nicer, communicating exactly what she needs and he is not getting it. And thank God for Lala walking in because he needed to be put in his place. She's like, you're triggering me. Like, this is supposed to be fun. You're not being kind. It's not fun. It's super aggressive and really disrespectful. And he is just like, well, guess what? Now I'm gonna be mistriggered. I was so disgusted, I wanted to punch it Him. This was truly, really unbearable to watch. It was disgusting. And I love what Lala said. Like, I can't even imagine what you say to her when the cameras are down, because this is disgusting. And the way they're going to mock me being triggered is revolting. I, I, I don't even have words for the situation.

[Courtney]

What he says to Nia, don't let her talk to me that way.

[Mary]

I know.

[Courtney]

I was like, you are darkside Danny. You're so lucky that Jax was around for the first two seasons exactly who you are. You probably drink at home all the time once the kids go to bed. And I think what kind of annoyed me was, I wish that Jesse would have stood up at some point and stopped it. But I think he also was like, no. Like, if you try to stop him, he is actually going to make the situation worse. And I don't even want to do that. Like, you said it, you said all the right things. Our responsibility now is making sure you're okay. But when he comes into the gym and Jesse's getting his makeup, I'm like, oh, my God, all these boys are ugly as women. Ugly women in. And he's like, I miss triggered. She's like, enough, stop. And you can see Jesse, like, put his hand because he was protecting Lala. It was like, danny, you're so annoying and you're not gonna do to me. Jesse, thanks for being protective. I'm not worried about this guy doing a single thing to me. I could freaking flick him and he'd go across the hall there. Okay, I'm not worried about this little piece of shit. But when she's like, you're being passive aggressive and I'm just aggressive.

[Mary]

I mean, she's a reality TV veteran. She knows exactly what she's doing. She can stand up for herself. I do think Jesse should have stepped in as well. I think he was scared of Danny because he knew how much he had drank. And he's like, this guy is not going to be rational right now. I kind of don't want to be involved because he's not going to make sense right now and he's going to be truly embarrassed tomorrow. But I love how Lala was popping off. Like, I've got a brain, two eyes and two ears. Like, you are despicable, disgusting. I know who you are. And the cameras are seeing it too. And I can't even imagine what you do to your wife when the cameras are off. Like, she won.

[Courtney]

She won. Oh, 100%. Yeah. No, I'm with you. Like, I feel like Jesse was like me telling Danny to calm down is going to make him not calm. We've seen this a hundred times. I don't want to deal with him. Like, let's just get the makeup done. Let's go in the other room to

[Mary]

take a step back.

[Courtney]

Like, yeah.

[Mary]

This is so wild. Jesse is wearing these thick stripper high heels, getting his face painted in a full blown dress and it's just like, keep putting the makeup on.

[Courtney]

I don't want to deal with this right now.

[Mary]

Danny is in a blonde wig. Like nobody talks to me like that. I'll show you something like that.

[Courtney]

Danny's wearing six inch platforms and he's still the shortest person in the room. I cannot stand him. I am so sick of his shit. Like, you're an asshole.

[Mary]

There's no way he can win the audience back. Like there's no recovering from this. No.

[Courtney]

And people are like, I can't believe I'm on Janet's side.

[Mary]

Yep, me too.

[Courtney]

And I'm, I, I'm just like so over Danny because it's like you've never been funny. You do have a drinking problem and you need to go deal with your shit over there. You're not even nice to your wife.

[Mary]

No. It's despicable. And she is gorgeous. She is fantastic. She is smart, she's an amazing mother. She's a hard worker. It's like, girl, know your worth. Get out.

[Courtney]

Sometimes it's easier said than done.

[Mary]

So true.

[Courtney]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Well, well, everyone on that note, have a great weekend.

[Courtney]

Surround yourself with positivity. Have a fab weekend. We'll see you Monday.

[Mary]

Bye. Bye. We're lost.

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