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Mary
Welcome back to two judgy girls. This is Mary from the bay and
Courtney
it's Courtney from la. And I don't even. It's going to be hard to find words, even though I'll have some and lots. And this episode of Summer House is diabolical. This was really, really, really hard to watch. What did you think, Courtney?
Mary
How many times did you watch it?
Courtney
Three.
Mary
It's only been out for like 12 hours and she watched it three times.
Courtney
Okay, let me tell you what happened. So a lot of times we get the screener and we got that late. And so I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna watch this live with the east coast. I love being on Threads and seeing what everybody's saying about it. So watched it at 5 and then I watched Watch what happens live. And because our other friends that are on the west coast were going to watch it and I was like, okay, well, I know I need to watch this again, so I'll watch it with them. And then I lost my remote and it like restarted after that. And I think this is my personal hell right now. Like, I cannot watch this anymore. So I guess almost like four times, to be honest, because I put it on again this morning to refresh my memory because I have short term memory loss for some reason. It feels like like you and I share your tbi. It's all consuming. It's all consum. Swimming. How many times did you watch it?
Mary
I was able to watch it about twice. I'd say maybe one and a half.
Courtney
Okay, okay.
Mary
But because. Because I had to see Jesse Solomon last night because we are solo women. Courtney's so sweet. She didn't spoil it at all for me. And what a heartwarming or it was. I mean, I had a blast. My favorite song was Fever, and I think he played a Justin Bieber song as well. He did his own music. I will say Song of the Summer is going to be his closer. Which is Wildflower, right? Is it Wild Seed? What is it?
Courtney
Wildfire.
Mary
Wildfire. Wildflower. Wildfire.
Courtney
So he closed with what would Jesse Solomon do on our show?
Mary
Just kidding. He came out for an encore and sing what would Jesse Solomon do? Yeah. Did you guys have. Did you guys have to do encore? Like. Yeah, encore. Encore.
Courtney
Well, it was like the crowd actually for mine started one more song One more song. And then one of his, like, guitarists came up and was like, okay, everyone start chanting. Jesse, you just chanted one more song. Like, you don't need to get this crowd going. They're gonna get going. I loved it. Okay. I thought it was a fun night out. I don't usually go out on Mondays. He played for about an hour. And what's really fun about these type of shows is it's mostly Bravo fans that are going to this. So you have this built in community at this show that everyone's there to support. I feel like the crowd at mine was. Everybody was there. I mean, the phones were out the whole time. Ours was at the Troubadour, which is really small, but also it's very cool that Jesse got to play at the Troubadour. Like, Elton John played there. I saw Mumford and Sons there before.
Mary
They were like, big, big.
Courtney
Like, it is a very, very famous, iconic venue. Yes, yes. And at mine, the entire cast of Vanderpump Rules, the new squad, they were all there, minus Audrey and the brother cousins.
Mary
Okay.
Courtney
And Natalie performed at ours.
Mary
And Audrey didn't go to the Crappies. She was noticeably missing from that when, like, the entire cast went. So that's kind of interesting. Yeah.
Courtney
But then my friend that I was with, she happened to go to Sur the other week and Audrey was working there, so maybe she's just working. I do recall Natalie telling us that she worked both at sir and Drake. So maybe she just is, like really busy at night. Could be.
Mary
Could be.
Courtney
She's a server multiple places. So at our show, one of the songs he duets. And so Natalie from Vanderpump Rules, she came up and did the duet with him.
Mary
The guitarist's wife sang at ours. And then this amazing girl, she was about 13 years old. She must be like on the Voice or something like that. She was amazing. Incredible. Such an amazing performer. And they did do it too. So it was just a feel good Tuesday night.
Courtney
Yeah, well, and then you're gonna, like, bury the lead and like, not talk about the fact that you.
Mary
Oh, yes. Okay. So. So at the end, you know, I'm waiting for my Uber outside, and who walks by but Jesse. And he's going to go back because at the end of it he sells the merch. And so that's like a really cute way to sell his merch. And you get a picture with him. And I think there's a meet and greet ahead of it too. Like, you can go early for his meet and greet and pay extra as well, but I was like, jesse, I'm Mary from Two Judgy Girls. And I got a quick little photo, and then he ran off. And he was holding a T, you guys, because his voice was feeling a little hoarse, perhaps.
Courtney
I'm sure he was. He's crooning for an hour. I will say, though, and I do have to confirm, because I do remember mentioning after I got back from Coachella that I think he was dating someone. And I'm pretty sure he had this girl on the side doing his, I think, vlog content. And I'm pretty sure he's dating her because at our show, at one point, she's shooting with the GoPro. And he. First off, he does not mention Summer House at all. Like, he's very specific about this tour being the Jesse Solomon show. He's happy to be here. Here. That has two. It's a twofold. Like, he's happy to be on tour, but he's also happy to be alive.
Mary
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Mary
Which is very sweet.
Courtney
Yes. And so at one point during the show, he's like, so I have a crush. And the girl's standing there, and she, like, mouths, it's me. I was like, oh, okay. And she looked like the girl from Coachella. So I was like, oh, okay, he's got a little girlfriend. Maybe she's just shooting the content. I don't know.
Mary
I noticed her as well, so I think you might be onto something here.
Courtney
It was cute. Okay. I do also have to say, too, is that Natalie and Shane are definitely a thing.
Mary
Ooh, what did you see there?
Courtney
Some canoodling.
Mary
Okay.
Courtney
The Vanderpump cast couldn't have been sweeter. I was talking to Shane because at the Troubadour, they have a front bar before you go into the concert venue. And so they're, like, separate but, you know, together. And so they had all walked in, and Shane and I like, locked eyes. I was like, oh, my God.
Mary
Hi.
Courtney
Shane went on your podcast as we were talking. I said, shane, your impact about verticals. Did you see that? Bravo's doing them? He's like, I did. And then he was telling me about his movie with James Franco, and he could not have been lovelier. The whole cast was lovely. At the end of it, they were leaving right before the show ended, and they were walking by me. I was like, oh, great to see you. Mark is like, come with us. I have to go to bed. My back hurts.
Mary
Like, it's a Monday. I gotta get home.
Courtney
It's a Monday. But he. I mean, they couldn't have been lovelier. And she did great. He did great. I thought it was a fun night to go see Jesse perform.
Mary
I also appreciate it. It was nine to 10 with him singing like one hour. It was the perfect amount of time. I was home by 10:30 in my bed rewatching Summer House.
Courtney
Yeah. No bras thrown at mine.
Mary
Neither. Neither.
Courtney
There was a golden retriever there, though, with. With shoes on.
Mary
Stop.
Courtney
I think it was an emotional support dog. But it was very cute, everyone singing along at the end. It was like, what would you say see Solomon do? And the arms were up in the air. I really want him to win. Solo men and women unite.
Mary
So I yelled out, solo women. And he thought I said solo women. And I said it again. I said, solo women. And he says, solo. Yeah. And I was like, well, I guess that just isn't sticking.
Courtney
It's, you know, it's our thing. It's our thing. Go, Jesse. Proud. Proud of you, stranger. I think.
Mary
I think it's honorable to go after your passion, put together a great show. Have fun doing it. He was a true professional and I think he could do this wherever he wanted. I love when Bravo talent takes something they have and, like, creates a live event for people to be around. Other Bravoholics. So good on it. Yeah.
Courtney
Like, you loved, like, the Erika Jane show. You went to, like, you thought that was so fun. It's like the Countess shows. And I'm not kidding. This song, Wildfire, it's very, like, Lionel Richie esque. It was a bop. I could see this being the song of the summer.
Mary
It's. It is. We already know he's releasing it in June. Song of the Summer.
Courtney
Putting it on my playlist now. You go, Jesse, you go. This is going to be very summer house focused, obviously, because what else is going on? We got to talk about Jen Fessler because she's making the rounds. She went on two TE's the other day. She's on Jeff Lewis today, and she's doing herself zero favors.
Mary
When I listened to the clips of two T's in a Pod, I was like, hmm. She was kind of convincing me of something different.
Courtney
Different? What? In what way?
Mary
Like, because she is denying this. She is saying it never happened. She feels very flattered that people would think that Wes would go for her, like, to be compared to Sierra, all of that. And she's totally denying it. Her husband doesn't believe it. Like, everything's okay on the home front. But this did not Happen. And as she was talking, I was like, she is kind of convincing. And then I'm like, but why would Sierra just make this up out of thin air and target Jen Fessler? Like, absolutely not. Something happened. Something happened.
Courtney
Someone is lying. It just depends on where it is. I don't think Sierra is lying. I think someone told her this happened. I mean, Lindsay Hubbard also was doing press for, like, in the city, and she was like. Like, yeah, I believe it. West is for the streets. Like, that doesn't surprise me at all. So it's either like, Jen and West are lying or Wes told people and he's lying. Someone lied at some point. I do not think that Sierra is the liar at all, but someone is lying.
Mary
Also, Lindsay said in that interview, like, she knew about this before Sierra made that comment. So this has been knowledge within the group for a while now.
Courtney
Yeah, the rumor has circulated. Okay, so Abby Bonadi, she posted a recap on thread. So she said Jen Fessler addressed the rumors on Tamara and Ted Teddy's podcast. Says she and Wes were never intimate. Regrets defending him so hard, but says he's still her friend. Claims Jeff Fessler filmed the viral pizza video. Doesn't want to sue Sierra, but says in quotes a lie was written in print. Says west apologized to the whole Fessler family this weekend. Claims west told her he never told Sierra they hooked up. Says her marriage and children will not suffer from this. They just feel bad for her. And then Tamara told Jen that she should be wary of Wes as she thinks there's a good chance Wes did tell the cast that they slept together regardless of if it happened or not. Now, I had heard that it wasn't sex. It was oral sex. So I don't know if there's semantics. This. The whole thing is so crazy that this is even a rumor, but it's like, okay, Jen, you do have to pick a lane in this. If you want to be litigious. You can't be flattered, and you can't say that it's not going to affect your family, because then what's the problem here? This is just like a rumor and you're a public figure.
Mary
And to note that her husband is lawyer.
Courtney
Oh, okay. Was unaware of that. But then you could have gotten out of all of this if you didn't threaten being legal. Because I think if she was like, oh, yeah, you know, that was my audition for summer house guests. I didn't get cast. Like, people would laugh and be like, what the hell? Like, that's so silly. Like, you Know what I mean? Like, if she started to make a joke, she's trying to joke about it now. She posted this. This thing today before going on Jeff Lewis, a manifestation from Amanda Francis. And it's like, it's not funny, though, because you're already threatening that. By the way, Sierra's response, Don't fuck with me.
Mary
The Jeff Lewis thing happened today. We haven't gotten a lot of knowledge about it, but I guarantee you she's saying the exact same things. Denying, denying, denying. And I cannot wait for Jeff to press her so hard. They played Mrs. Robinson, they played promiscuous girl and Wild, Wild west on Jeff Lewis Live today, which I love that show. It's. That's the perfect playlist.
Courtney
What did she think was gonna happen? Now, I do wanna say too, if it's not true, then, like, I do understand why she would defend herself. Like, that's bullshit, right? But if there is any ounce of truth to it, like, you'd have to prove that Sierra purposely lied. I don't think she purposely lied at all. I think she was told this.
Mary
What is true is that Wes told his cast that something happened between him and Jim Bessler.
Courtney
I don't even know if that's true. Wes told somebody else and somebody else told the cast. Like, we don't know where the lie started. Regardless, he's saying to Jen, he didn't say that. Cyr is not lying is what I. The only true thing I actually know is that Cyr is not lying. I don't even know that, but I'm just basing it off of my vibes, and 5 out of 10 times they're correct. There also has to be more women or details. Both. How many of those Bravo loves DMS did he slide into? Do you feel like another Bravo love is going to come out and be like, I did hook up with West?
Mary
Yes.
Courtney
Sierra, what do you know?
Mary
There has to be more. I mean, we know Mia, we know Sally, we know Amanda, we know Sierra, maybe Jen Fessler. There's gotta be more. There's two hands full if you ask me. That was only one.
Courtney
That's actually crazy. Was that Sierra, Amanda, Mia, Sally, Jen Fessler.
Mary
That's one handful.
Courtney
I'm just laughing like, oh, my God, that other hand, there's face. Open your finger. I just don't know what Gem Festlers do. Like, do not go on these shows.
Mary
She love. She loves this, loves this. Her little taste of fame and she's leaning in. I actually really like Jen Fessler. I always liked her on the show. I've liked her on Jeff Lewis. She comes on a lot as a friend of mine. I think she's funny. She's down to earth and maybe something happened.
Courtney
Let's take a break and talk about the reunion looks.
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We're trying to get to the state fairgrounds.
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Mary
Okay, are we starting on the left or the right?
Courtney
Let's look. We're reading a book.
Mary
Okay, so we're starting with Ben. To me, a lot of the people, it was kind of a linen white vibe. So Ben is wearing a white suit with a tan top and. Are those brown shoes?
Courtney
Courtney, I don't like to play color games with you because I'd say it's a green shirt.
Mary
Okay.
Courtney
Could. It could be, I think brown shoes. I think you're. You're right. He looks nice.
Mary
I think it's totally fine. Next we have Bailey. She is wearing a green. What color green would you call this
Courtney
like an olive green? Maybe.
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Mary
Like a martini. Green.
Courtney
Yeah. Yes. Like an apple. Why green? Pure tea. Like.
Mary
Like the olive. Yeah. Even though literally martinis are clear.
Courtney
So like an olive green, would you say?
Mary
But it has a little lime. Okay. She's wearing green. It's sexy. Really low cut.
Courtney
It's like draped. Like, it's giving me, like Grecian goddess.
Mary
Yes. I'm. I'm into it. Next we have Mia. Beautiful hair, kind of slicked back. Back on her shoulders. It is like. Is not feathers. Ostrich.
Courtney
Careful with ostrich.
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Mary
I got in trouble for that once.
Courtney
Yeah. Paige went on a whole rampage about that over Covid. I would say it's. Yes, ostrich feather. It's halter. It's silk. She's Jolieing for us. She and Dara. Jolene for us. With a. With an open slit. She looks fabulous. Mia is so freaking stunning. I mean, honestly, all the women on this cast are tens.
Mary
They're all completely, completely.
Courtney
We've talked about Sierra's. I actually thought Sierra's was a two piece. But then on closer reflection, it's got sheer on the stomach, so it's technically one piece.
Mary
A drift. Right, right, right.
Courtney
Kyle said, I'm coming. Comfortable. I have to do a lot of talking shit here, so I will wear a matching style set, but it's not a suit because there is elastic on the bottom of my jacket and on the pants.
Mary
And there's also there's pockets in his jacket as well. Almost like cargo, short pockets. This is a miss for me.
Courtney
It's fine for me. I think Kyle said I'm going to be here for a long time. I'm going comfort over look. Lindsay is in the Ariana red of a revenge dress. Everyone else kind of got pastels and more mute colors. And Lindsay said, I don't give a fuck. I will be wearing bright red. Looks fantastic.
Mary
I think Lindsay looks incredible here. This is a beautiful dress. I'm gonna say something mean. I think this is Sierra's moment and that she should have worn something a little bit more demure just because it's like this is kind of Sierra's reunion. And I. I think this dress is incredible on Lindsay and it looks fantastic. I think it's a little much for this re in particular.
Courtney
What if it was in a different color?
Mary
Maybe?
Courtney
Okay, yeah. Like black, like a link or something or.
Mary
Totally. Yeah.
Courtney
Do you have to talk about this photo? Because this photo is clearly taken at the end of the reunion. Lindsay beaming. Getting activated makes her look younger by the second like, that is her Benjamin Button fountain of youth. She's never looked better. Everyone else looks a little drained. Lindsay and Carl are also in the center to separate Kyle and Amanda and West.
Mary
Oh, that's a good note.
Courtney
This is not how we are seated. Right. Sierra's over with Mia, then it's Kyle, then it's Lindsay. Carl's in the very center, that six five motherfucker. And he's got that classic white pant. It's a little looser of a white pant. And then he's doing a muted green tank and jacket.
Mary
Yes. Noticeably, none of the men are, like, wearing ties. This feels a little bit more casual for all of them, to be honest.
Courtney
They never wear ties. This group, though.
Mary
That's true. I guess I'm thinking of southern charm.
Courtney
Amanda is in yellow. It's like a yellow corset with straps, underwear, and then sheer top over it. And then, yeah, her. Her skirt has the underwear peeking through and then it's like draped on the corner. It's like a. Almost like a sarong style.
Mary
I was literally like, she came in her underwear. She's wearing a bathing suit. Yeah. With the sarong.
Courtney
I actually think this is a nice look on her. I think she looks good. People are comparing it to Sierra's season eight look when she had the mute purple outfit. I don't think this is like so alike, but I also think that they have similar styles. Like, very revolve.
Mary
Definitely, Definitely.
Courtney
Yeah. West, that man has been through it at this reunion. This guy. The look on his face is like, I can't believe I have to take this photo right now.
Mary
You can tell he's been sweating. Like, his bangs are wet. Yeah, yeah.
Courtney
And like his pants are wrinkled. He has been taking the sweat from his forehead and wiping it on his pants.
Mary
Pants.
Courtney
I would say this is like, it's not a light blue. It's not a dark blue. What would you call it, Courtney?
Mary
I wouldn't know. Just a blue suit.
Courtney
Jesse, he looks fabulous. He's in a tan suit, brown shoes, and a white button up showing some chest. He looks great, I gotta tell you guys. So at our show, he took his jacket off and he was wearing just like a tank underneath those arms. He brought guns to a concert. And I thought you couldn't do that with your clear bags. Literally what they look out for.
Mary
He was wearing a long sleeve sweater for us. And I was so hot in the venue.
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Courtney
I don't know how he was doing it. Literally at one point I had to like, leave the crowd when he started. I guess I'll start. I'm like, I guess I'll start in the back of the place over here. I need a freaking water.
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Right?
Mary
It was really, really, really hot. It was packed because everyone's just having a blast.
Courtney
Yeah. Okay. KJ looks so good. I love KJ's bleached hair. Me too. So he's in a beige suit, black shoes, black belt, white button up with a bunch of different necklaces. He and Dara came to play. Like, I kind of thought it was funny that Amanda and Wes didn't necessarily coordinate their outfits.
Mary
They're not in that type of situationship.
Courtney
Sure, sure. But Dara and kj, she is wearing this like off white dress. She's got the jolie leg going out like this pose. I'm like, they are so hot.
Mary
They really are a good looking couple.
Courtney
I mean, she is so beautiful. It's actually insane. Again, all the women on this cast, they are all so stunning. I saw this video that popped up from like April, like on my tick tock. Because now it's like all summer houses coming through and it's them on a trip and they're in a bathroom jacuzzi and Dara is in it and KJ's sitting on the edge of it and he's got this champagne bottle. So he like pops it open and it spills out everywhere. He pours it in her cup. It's spilling out of her cup. She's trying to, like, get it. He then takes a sip it. The bubbles are so much that he ends up spitting it all into the jacuzzi. And then he's like, well, let me just shake the bottle up. He shakes the bottle up, it shoots Dara straight in the face and like goes in the ceiling. It's like, not more could go wrong with this video. And it's so adorable.
Mary
Oh, send that to me.
Courtney
I will, I will. It just was like, making me laugh. I'm like, they are actually so cute because they, they recorded that and then they said, we gotta post this.
Mary
We gotta share this with the world. Give everyone a giggle. We do. Tell me, who is your favorite woman dress? Sierra doesn't count. She's the number one. Obviously.
Courtney
Lindsay looks really good. I do understand what you're saying about the red dress. I would give. They all look really good. Like, I want to say Mia, but then, like, but then Dara's right there and then like Bailey's right there. Amanda's is very Amanda.
Mary
So your answer is Lindsay?
Courtney
Yeah, but everybody, I Think all the women look really good. What about you?
Mary
Mia?
Courtney
Okay.
Mary
Yeah.
Courtney
I mean, she looks fabulous.
Mary
Best dress for the guys.
Courtney
I will go. Kj.
Mary
I was gonna say KJ or Jesse. Yeah, yeah.
Courtney
Those are my top two choices as well. Like, yeah, Kyle, he doesn't care. He doesn't care. He's like, look, I have receipts. I will be giving them and I need pockets to hide all of the receipts in.
Mary
Cargo shirt pockets.
Courtney
Did you see the really adorable post that KJ made yesterday? No. So KJ posts a photo and it's a photo of his mom with Mia's sister. And they were roommates in college. What is the whole thing is that they're supposed to be family
Mary
world. And when he invited her to have Christmas in the city with him, this episode couldn't be sweeter.
Courtney
I like cried at that. I mean, I cried a lot this episode, you guys. Actually, I. A lot of this was like, tough to just watch. Like, you're literally watching someone completely break down. You're watching these friendships go at it and then you're watching these wholesome moments too. Like KJ feeling it so hard that summer is coming to an end and all of these relationships, he's not going to see them every weekend. He's so concerned about not being able to see his friends. And when I saw that photo, I was like, they literally were meant to be in each other's life. I don't think that they knew each other before this show.
Mary
We also. So Mia had done reality TV before this. Did you know that?
Courtney
Yeah, she was on some like, Realtor Hampton show, right?
Mary
Like for a season. Yes. And I saw that the other day and I was like, wait. I watched that. It was very short, but I didn't connect that altogether.
Courtney
Like, I'm waiting for Mia to be like, KJ day. Are you guys ready to move in? I have a unit in my building. You mean Sierra? We will all be living in the same building. Right. Then your leases are up. Let me know. I will be moving you two into this place. Yeah.
Mary
That's so cute.
Courtney
And then the spin off is just them living in their apartments. Like there's something there.
Mary
I mean, Southern hospitality has it.
Courtney
I need. Please confirm for me because also I do have to make a note too, guys, is that I am leaving. I will be on my sabbatical for a couple weeks. I'm popping in for summer house, but Mary has like a ton of guests lined up. It's going to be very fun. Yeah, that's starting next week.
Mary
Yeah. Courtney's Going on vacate. Gonna be a blast. I wish I could go with you, but I will hold down the fort here.
Courtney
I told her. I was like, I do think I will have to pop in for summer house. We will figure out the time change. It seems like we have to be discussing.
Mary
Okay, let's talk about Carl on watch what happens live.
Courtney
So Carl and Ariana were on it together. Ariana of Love island fame. She looked so good. I feel like Andy was excited because it's like, you have Ariana, who obviously dealt with scandal, but then you have her Love island, and now Sierra is going to be after sun. Then you have Carl, who I think is pretty even keeled. He looked great.
Mary
I. I always think so.
Courtney
Okay. Wow. Okay. All right. Turn him bright red, you guys. Bright red. Wow. You're not even wearing blush today, are you? That's just Carl. But they were just talking a lot about that night. And as we know, like, Lindsay calmed him down. He said, she's a calming presence. This is family. We are calming each other. Those ROTC days of being able to diffuse the situation. He also made a statement, which I found interesting about Amanda's energy. And he was like, in spring, referring to spring 2025. Like, Amanda's energy had shifted.
Mary
And I wonder if it was like, she was just done with that relationship and she didn't know how to get out of it.
Courtney
Yeah, Like, I don't think he was insinuating anything had happened with Wes. And I have, like, a whole theory, too, because I. I don't think that anything happened last summer. Like, I keep trying to convince myself one way or the other, but I do think that Wes was just a nice guy to her. And we've said this, like, multiple times, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were texting at that point as friends. And him also saying, like, you could leave being a friend. Like, same thing like that Sierra is saying to her, but it's coming from a man, and a man is being nice to her and the whole, like, psychology of it all. And so I don't think anything happened still. And maybe we'll find out at the reunion something different. But there was an energy shift, as Carl said, and her knowing that maybe the marriage was done and everyone just needs to do her work for her.
Mary
And then Andy asked him too, like, do you think west and Amanda will last? And he said, absolutely not.
Courtney
The speed in which he answered that one.
Mary
I saw that.
Courtney
And west has texted him a couple of times. He hasn't responded. Amanda has text. She wished him luck at the London Marathon. It seems like they really are trying to potentially leave the door open for Amanda, which I understand the history also there's in the city. But I also think that they're not necessarily holding her to the same standard that I think that they should. What are your thoughts on that?
Mary
Yeah, I mean they don't know west for that long of a time. He's known Amanda for a decade. Obviously she's going through a really challenging time and she did a shitty thing. But Carl's an empath and he's willing to sit down with her and talk to her. Lindsay is also trying to sit down with Amanda so I, I can respect that. I mean this is someone They've known for 10 years, so I respect that also. It's like where are these shows going? That is the burning question for me. And everyone has been seeing a ton of Lindsay and Carl and loving it. And it makes me think in the back of my mind, does Carl really want to reconcile and be friends with Lindsay and be chummy chummy to get on the city?
Courtney
Let's take a break and dissect that.
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Courtney
Tell me more about your theory on this.
Mary
I'm sure Carl would love to be on in the City and it would work if him and Lindsay are getting along. So they are getting along great right now. Does that leave him an opening to transition to that? I wonder too, would they rather do Summer House? Is that shorter filming and only on the weekends more? I mean of course they're filming during the week confessionals and some some stuff the city. But are they also kind of over going to the Hamptons all summer? You know I'd be curious what he would actually prefer Summer house or in the city because she's not going to be on Summer House this upcoming season. I'd imagine maybe a pop in.
Courtney
Yeah. So I think it's twofold because I think Lindsay is a PR maven and I think after her watch what happens live where she's getting Carl down a little bit, I think Lindsay definitely leans into what the audience is saying and maybe was like okay, I've got to like change my tune here. And I think and it's not change it to I don't have to forgive, I don't have to like forget. But I do have to push forward at this point because time has happened and we both, I have this show, I have that show. And so seeing them at Vulture together, that was amazing. Like they went to that friend's birthday party. They're doing press for the upfronts they were doing in the city press yesterday, which I thought was interesting that Carl was doing press for that too.
Mary
Yeah, I, I, that didn't make sense to me. Yeah.
Courtney
But so I think it's, hey, if we're getting along, people do want to see that and if we're not like at each other's throws and that opens the door for us to be on shows together or in the same space filming something. But I really do think that Carl misses that friendship like a lot. The way that Lindsay posted today a picture of the two of them from people of the NBC up front and just, you know, questions Uncle Carl. I think that there is a missing piece of that friendship. They were best friends. They did have this really strong relationship. The toxic in me is like, could it happen again? No, no, Courtney, it couldn't, it shouldn't.
Mary
That's, everyone's saying that I'm like, you
Courtney
guys do not remember I said I'm toxic.
Mary
Well, even at the beginning of the season, we were rooting for Sierra and Wes to get back together. And before this scandal came out, we both said, no, we don't want them back together. I was 40s.
Courtney
I have bad convictions sometimes. Okay, geez, I can't be right all the time. I can't be perfect. But I do think that there is space, like especially because of this scandal. We want to see resolution. We want to see the next phase. We want to see what's going on with this. When you talked about them having a conversation with Amanda, it's like, yeah, they probably do want to have an off camera conversation where they can be a hundred percent honest and not worry about what the audience is going to say about this. The reunion is like a boiling room in the sense of emotions are heightened. They were learning about things in real time and then people haven't had sit downs yet about it. I think that there is space for them to be able to at least talk about it. Doesn't mean that they have to reconcile and all the problems have to be solved. But there should be a space where they can do this without cameras, without Whatever it is.
Mary
Yeah, yeah.
Courtney
So I. I think that the conversation is due. There's so many different layers of this. Obviously, we keep saying that, but Amanda and Wes, whatever they do, it really did rock the show. It rocked Summer House. It rocked in the city. It rocked all their lives, personally and professionally, and they're navigating it with. Also, truthfully, I think trying not to make the same mistakes from Scandival.
Mary
Yes, definitely.
Courtney
People are like, oh, this isn't Scandal. It's like. And Ariana said, and watch what happens live. It's not the same situation. It doesn't have to be the same situation.
Mary
I am just most excited to see who is on the cast for this summer. That's all I really care about at this point.
Courtney
By the way. I think it's genius what Bravo is doing of showing the reunion in an AMC, like part one in an AMC. Apparently, those tickets went in 30 seconds.
Mary
Oh, I believe it. Yeah.
Courtney
But I'm like, it's really hard to watch this episode. Next week's the finale. Then we have to wait and we have another week until the reunion. And it's like, we're leaving a lot of space for. For, like, things to happen or things to come out that also aren't going to be, like, addressed. Like, the Jen Fessler of it, I know isn't going to happen in the reunion if anything else comes out. Like, Carl even mentioned that too. He's like, I haven't texted west back, but obviously, like, some things have happened over the weekend with Housewives and Aria, Anna was like, what do you mean? He's like, oh, wait, no, I did see that. Okay.
Mary
My main concern is who is actually filming me. That's what I want to know. And I want Ben to come back with Sabrina now. That's my new thing.
Courtney
It's like, I want the cast back.
Mary
Bring them all back.
Courtney
What's going to happen next?
Mary
When is it going to be our next sighting of west and Amanda? Because it seems as though they are together.
Courtney
What's together?
Mary
Situationship.
Courtney
No, I know. That's what I'm saying. Like, what's together, though? Like, they're hanging out, their friends. I have a whole theory about west and his. Well, it's not a theory. I mean, it's pretty obvious, but just the level of going for unavailable women so he doesn't have to commit. Tell us more if we want to go down those five fingers that we talked about earlier. Jen Fessler, married, doesn't have to do anything with that. Just the dalliance. Just A notch on the bedpost. Amanda married, separated, whatever. Sierra hated him for years, so he could, like, croon and beg. Didn't have to be worried about that.
Mary
That Mia and Sally.
Courtney
Mia and Sally was just more like, I could hook up, and we don't live in the same place, so it's not a big deal.
Mary
Yeah, that's so true. Like, I'm not doing long distance.
Courtney
Yeah. Like, if I come see you, we could hook up, but we're friends. And. And that way he doesn't have to commit to things. And so I think he likes an unavailable woman because it's like, he can still be the fun friend. Oh. Like, you can lean on me for friendship. You want to have a night out? Oh, yeah. Oh. As soon as they become available, then it throws them off. I don't want to want this.
Mary
Even the girl that he supposedly was in a committed relationship to, it sounds like that was long distance as well.
Courtney
Yeah. She lived in Montana or Chicago or whatever it was. And then I'm thinking too, okay, they're in a committed relationship. We see on this show, we see him make out with that random girl in front of Sierra.
Mary
That's so true.
Courtney
We see next week that he kisses Sierra. Like, what does he think was going to happen at that point? Acting.
Mary
Because they were claiming from February of 2025. This was obviously summer 2025.
Courtney
Hmm.
Mary
That's how he's gonna get out of it. Then he's gonna say, no, I was not in a committed relationship. Why would I hook up on camera with other girls and be flirting? I think they're gonna come to the reunion and say, like, you were dating someone since February of 2025. And then he's gonna deny it and say, no, I wasn't. Why would I have that girl come on camera?
Courtney
And they have receipts Based on the photo of the reunion looks from after, I would say, I don't think he was able to talk himself out of any of these issues that they were sweat.
Mary
I. I also can't imagine him. He. He seems to take it. So it'll be interesting if he has rebuttals.
Courtney
He's not confrontational in general, and I think, too is. I think he will be relatively silent. The three leaks that we've had have really barely anything from him. So I don't know if he's just like, I'm coming to the reunion, and I'm gonna just let them throw it on me and take it, and that's that. I'll sit there. It will be healing well. You know, he learned in real time that he messed up. Oh, you did? Oh, you finally realized that. The reunion, he's like, oh. It was like therapy for me.
Mary
I didn't realize it was that big of a deal because I was off social media. But I learned people were really hurt. Mm. Mm. Yeah.
Courtney
That's why I'm like, I want the reunion. It's like, how much money would you pay right now if they just, like, dropped the reunion? Like, Big Brother live feeds, you pay, like, $20 a month to watch them. I'm like, I would pay more.
Mary
Oh, yeah.
Courtney
Like 250. Like, yeah. Honestly, maybe a thousand.
Mary
I would not pay a thousand dollars for three.
Courtney
Well, listen, though. Here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna rent out a movie theater.
Mary
Sure.
Courtney
Like, I heard Those tickets were $65.
Mary
Wow. For one episode.
Courtney
For one episode. But I also have to assume, like, someone from the cast is gonna pop by.
Mary
Oh, that's cute.
Courtney
I made that up, though.
Mary
But that seems plausible. Yeah.
Courtney
Bravo, you need to be buying movie theaters across the nation because not only for reunions. Like, think about if every Thursday, you could go watch Housewives. Every Tuesday, you could watch the entire Summer House season. You could go with Bravo people. You could go by yourself. You could go with other Bravo fans, and you could go have a watch party every week. You guys are missing out on money.
Mary
There is a market, because I can tell you, last night, I was out. The Bravo girlies are the best. And there was a ton of guys there as well. And guys. Even straight men. I would say there was a ton of straight men at Jesse Solomon's last
Courtney
night that were not boyfriends of the girlfriend who brought them.
Mary
I felt like a big group of friends went that all watched Summer House, and they were having a blast. I was trying to link up with a friend, and this. I was, you know, going through the crowd. I was like, oh, sorry.
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Mary
And he's like, are you a Jesse Solomon fan? I'm like, obviously, I'm a solo woman. That's why I'm here. He's like, okay, you can go. Oh.
Courtney
Cause he didn't want you to heckle him.
Mary
He didn't? No. He didn't want me to be in front of him because I was going closer to the stage. He was a true fan. I was actually going to the back corner where there was, like, kind of a little step that you could stand on.
Courtney
Oh. Like, our venue was, like, small enough, though. Every seat was a great seat.
Mary
Oh, this was no seats. It was standing only.
Courtney
That's. I'm sorry. That's what I meant. Every seat, no matter where you are, you can see Jesse. He's so tall.
Mary
He came out into the crowd.
Courtney
Wow. Wait, what? He did crowd work.
Mary
He did crowd work. And the security, like, went out. I was like, this is absolutely hysterical.
Courtney
Wait, that's so funny that the venue was very crowded. Like, we were kind of shoulder to shoulder, which is why I had to go back into the bar. I love the crowd work. He was there. He was. You know, he had the mic going. People could sing into it with. What would Jesse Solomon do? You know, he was. He was working it. And then. Because at the end, and the way you leave the stage is you go upstairs. Like, the green room is upstairs. And so they were like, jesse, they want you back for one more song. And he just, like, peers around the corner from up high in the rafters, you know, it's like, get on down here, you.
Mary
He. He felt very accessible.
Courtney
If you're thinking of going, honestly, it was like 30 bucks. It's really fun for like an hour to go be with other Bravo people. You get to sing along because he does a lot of covers that everybody knows, too. It's a great night.
Mary
The best time. I had a blast. So.
Courtney
Okay, well, let's take a quick break and then let's come back and unpack the entire episode from start to finish. I'm stressed already.
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Date: May 13, 2026
Hosts: Mary (from the Bay) & Courtney (from LA)
Courtney and Mary reunite to recap a particularly intense and emotional episode of Summer House (Season 10, Episode 15, Part 1), share insider insights from Jesse Solomon's live shows, dissect ongoing drama involving Jen Fessler, Wes, and Sierra, plus do a full, animated breakdown of the Summer House reunion looks. The tone is conversational, passionate, and full of laughter, as the hosts weave personal stories with spicy Bravo commentary.
"It's going to be hard to find words, even though I'll have some and lots. And this episode of Summer House is diabolical. This was really, really, really hard to watch." (02:48, Courtney)
"I think this is my personal hell right now. Like, I cannot watch this anymore." (03:15, Courtney)
"What's really fun about these type of shows is it's mostly Bravo fans that are going to this. So you have this built-in community at this show... Everyone was there...phones were out the whole time." (05:00, Courtney)
"At the end, you know, I'm waiting for my Uber outside, and who walks by but Jesse … I was like, Jesse, I'm Mary from Two Judgy Girls. And I got a quick little photo." (07:01, Mary)
"He does not mention Summer House at all. Like, he's very specific about this tour being the Jesse Solomon show."
"Some canoodling." (08:52, Courtney)
"I love when Bravo talent takes something they have and, like, creates a live event for people..." (10:42, Mary)
"It's very, like, Lionel Richie-esque. It was a bop. I could see this being the song of the summer." (11:03, Courtney)
"It's. It is. We already know he's releasing it in June." (11:15, Mary)
"She is saying it never happened. She feels very flattered that people would think that Wes would go for her… And then I'm like, but why would Sierra just make this up out of thin air and target Jen Fessler? Like, absolutely not. Something happened." (11:51, Mary)
"Someone is lying. It just depends on where it is. I don't think Sierra is lying… Lindsay Hubbard also was doing press and she was like, yeah, I believe it. West is for the streets. Like, that doesn't surprise me at all." (12:27, Courtney)
"She and Wes were never intimate... West apologized to the whole Fessler family this weekend. Claims West told her he never told Sierra they hooked up. Says her marriage and children will not suffer from this..." (13:02, Mary reading Abby’s recap)
"If you want to be litigious, you can't be flattered, and you can't say that it's not going to affect your family, because then what's the problem here?" (13:53, Courtney)
"There's gotta be more. There's two hands full if you ask me." (16:21, Mary)
"How many of those Bravo loves DMs did he slide into?" (16:06, Courtney)
"Lindsay is in the Ariana red of a revenge dress… Looks fantastic." (26:46, Courtney)
"I think this is Sierra's moment and that she should have worn something a little bit more demure…" (27:06, Mary)
"Did you see the really adorable post that KJ made yesterday? It's a photo of his mom with Mia's sister. And they were roommates in college." (32:49, Courtney)
"He also made a statement, which I found interesting about Amanda's energy… like, Amanda's energy had shifted." (35:30, Courtney)
"Andy asked him too, like, do you think West and Amanda will last? And he said, absolutely not." (37:04, Mary) "The speed in which he answered that one." (37:11, Courtney)
"Lindsay definitely leans into what the audience is saying and maybe was like, okay, I've got to like, change my tune here." (41:51, Courtney)
"Just the level of going for unavailable women so he doesn't have to commit…" (46:19, Courtney)
"Even the girl that he supposedly was in a committed relationship to, it sounds like that was long distance as well." (47:25, Mary)
"Bravo, you need to be buying movie theaters across the nation… you could go have a watch party every week. You guys are missing out on money." (50:12, Courtney)
"There was a ton of straight men at Jesse Solomon's last night that were NOT boyfriends of the girlfriend who brought them." (50:34, Mary)
Courtney and Mary continue to embody the blend of heart, humor, and insight that draws Bravo fans in—offering both deep dives on reality TV drama and a window into the vibrant community that surrounds these shows. The episode is a must-listen for any Summer House fan, serving both gossipy details and genuine emotional engagement with the series’ turning points.
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