A Villain with Fresh Botox (SLOMW E3 & 4)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: A Villain with Fresh Botox (SLOMW E3 & 4)
Date: November 26, 2025
Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp & Tamra Judge

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

The latest episode of Two Ts In A Pod is a raucous, unfiltered recap of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives (Season 3, Episodes 3 & 4). Teddi and Tamra—veteran Housewives themselves—deep-dive into the drama swirling around affairs, lie detector tests, frenemies, and questionable romantic choices, focusing on main players Marciano, Jesse, Demi, and Jordan. Across the hour, they add their signature blend of snark, personal anecdotes, and reality TV wisdom to dissect secret hookups, relationship breakdowns, and the “reality TV effect” on real relationships.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. Housewives and Arrests: Real-Life Drama Bleeds Over

• Opening game: Teddi kicks off with, “What housewife hasn’t been arrested? Can you name them?” [03:45]
• Tamra and Teddi remark on the surprising number of legal troubles among Housewives—three in Potomac alone.
  • “Every day you’re waking up and it’s like, what’s next?” – Tamra [04:10]
• Both joke about staying out of trouble, poking fun at the constant drama in the Housewives world.

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2. SLOMW Episode 3: Marciano's Messy Entanglements

• Marciano at the center: Teddi and Tamra are exhausted by Marciano’s presence and salacious stories.
  • “If I never hear the name Marciano again, it’ll be too soon.” – Teddi [04:30]
  • “His cum spots, I just can’t.” – Tamra [04:37]
• The pair question the veracity and necessity of Marciano’s claims about Demi and Jesse (“I don’t know why we’re believing this guy at all” – Tamra [05:43]).
• Discussion of the infamous “log cabin” meetup, geography confusion, and the general absurdity of the setting.

Erectile Dysfunction, Stage Fright & Attraction—Or Lack Thereof

• Marciano claims his issues in bed were just “stage fright”—and the Ts are incredulous.
  • “What guy has stage fright?...Guy that’s boning as much as he supposedly is?” – Tamra & Teddi [06:21-06:35]
• Neither host sees his appeal:
  • “I don’t find him hot. No. I don’t get it at all.” – Teddi [06:41]

Jordan & Zach: Real Talk About Relationship Fallout

• Jordan takes responsibility for mistakes in his marriage with Jen—a contrast to other cast members.
• Tamra praises Zach’s supportive advice, contrasting it with Dakota’s passivity (“Dakota’s like, ‘Wow, man,’ and Zach’s like ‘how are you feeling, how are you going to move forward’” – Tamra [07:36]).
• Recap of previous seasons’ drama (porn, Chippendales, etc.), layering in context for returning listeners.

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3. Lie Detector Tests & the Limits of Reality TV Drama

• The duo dissect the show’s reliance on lie detector drama, doubting the reliability of such tests.
  • “I’m going to need all reality show producers to knock it off with the lie detector test.” – Teddi [13:46]
• Tamra explains—based on her OC experience—why quick, on-camera polygraphs aren’t credible.
  • “Our lie detector test...results came back, like, that...her father is a chief of police...he said, absolutely not possible to get accurate results from how it was done on Orange County.” – Tamra [14:09]

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4. Jesse, Marciano, and the Dinner Date Debacle

• Both hosts are bewildered by Jesse welcoming Marciano with flowers and getting “dolled up” for him.
  • “She’s making sure she looks good...The chemistry between them is so obvious. The camera does not lie.” – Tamra [19:53]
• Teddi: “It pissed me off...Nothing she did was right in this episode.” [20:16]
• They agree that Jesse’s interactions do not help her marriage, and seem to prioritize TV drama.
  • “Jesse seems to want to make reality good TV more than she wants to mend her marriage.” – Teddi [24:07]

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5. Friendships, Betrayals & Projected Drama

• Jesse’s apology to Jen for projecting her relationship drama—Tamra isn’t buying it:
  • “I think she was just being a bitch...feels like haha, I have something on you, I’m gonna bring it out, I’m gonna make drama over this.” [38:34]
• Jen's growth and likability are lauded, as is Zach's, with Tamra observing: “She’s cute, so many lovable qualities...dare I say I’ve been liking her husband this season.” [30:13]
• The hosts dissect Layla's subplot about her hair and cultural identity, ultimately agreeing the "secret" was unnecessary and felt set up, though Layla did share vulnerabilities about not feeling like she fits in due to her biracial background and strict LDS culture [29:13].

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6. Shifting Alliances and Female Solidarity

• When Jesse claims Jordan was emotionally abusive, the other women rally around her, a level of support Jen never received during her own marital struggles.
  • “The girls start standing up for her...they don’t even have...they’re standing up for her because Jesse told them he was abusive. So now: okay, we got our girl.” – Tamra [31:45–31:55]
• References to the emotional difficulties in leaving a marriage, and personal anecdotes from the hosts about their own past relationships.

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7. Humor, Housewives-isms & Notable Sidebars

• Comic relief seeps throughout, especially when Taylor steers the conversation to “anal,” revealing who in the cast enjoys it and providing a perplexing bit of TMI about hemorrhoids. (“My anal days are over...Interfere with my hemorrhoids.” – Tamra [32:32–32:46])
• Wardrobe critiques at the barbecue: “Those 1985 shirts with armpit holes are cut all the way down...I couldn’t even imagine Eddie walking out in one of those.” – Tamra [37:15]
• Callbacks to the constant, inescapable sponsor reads and “gummy” wellness packs—always with irreverent commentary.

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MEMORABLE QUOTES & MOMENTS (with Timestamps)

On Housewife Arrests:

• “Every day you’re waking up, and it’s like, what’s next? I’m just gonna stay home so I don’t get in trouble.”
  – Tamra, [04:10]

On Marciano’s Sexcapades:

• “If I never hear the name Marciano again, it’ll be too soon.”
  – Teddi, [04:30]

• “His cum spots, I just can’t.”
  – Tamra, [04:37]

On Lie Detector Tests in Reality TV:

• “I’m going to need all reality show producers to knock it off with the lie detector test.”
  – Teddi, [13:46]

On Jesse and Marciano’s Flirtation:

• “She’s making sure she looks good...The chemistry between them is so obvious. The camera does not lie.”
  – Tamra, [19:53]

• “Jesse seems to want to make reality good TV more than she wants to mend her marriage.”
  – Teddi, [24:07]

On Anal and Hemorrhoids:

• “Just when—my anal days are over. So are mine. Interfere with my hemorrhoids.”
  – Tamra, [32:32–32:46]

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• 03:45 – Housewives Arrest Game & Potomac drama
• 04:30 – 06:13 – Marciano’s stories, setting confusion, and hosts’ skepticism
• 07:36 – Comparing advice: Zach vs. Dakota
• 13:46 – 14:31 – Lie detector analysis and reality TV meta critique
• 19:44 – 22:12 – Jesse & Marciano's reunion, flowers, and evident chemistry
• 24:07 – Discussion about reality TV priorities versus real relationships
• 29:13 – 29:48 – Layla’s hair/identity struggle and hosts’ thoughts
• 31:10 – 31:55 – The girls standing up for Jesse, solidarity
• 32:32 – 32:46 – Taylor brings up anal, iconic TMI moment
• 37:15 – 37:41 – Wardrobe jokes at the barbecue

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TONE & STYLE

Throughout, Teddi and Tamra maintain their quick-witted, slightly irreverent, and gossip-forward tone. They weave in firsthand Housewives experience, offer pointed reality TV critiques, and play up the absurdity and relatability in equal measure. Their dynamic is equal parts older-sisterly advice and playful shade.

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SUMMARY TAKEAWAYS

• Marciano-fatigue is real. The hosts, and likely viewers, are tired of his drama—both don’t buy his stories or his allure.
• Jesse’s priorities are suspect. Her eagerness to make good TV seems to eclipse her marital loyalty.
• Lie detector tests = Reality TV nonsense. The Ts call out the production trick for its lack of credibility and effect on real families.
• Solidarity among women shifts. When abuse is alleged, the other “wives” rally, in sharp contrast to their response to Jen’s previous ordeal.
• Humor and self-deprecation abound. Whether it’s fashion, hemorrhoids, or the pitfalls of texting, Teddi and Tamra keep things light even amid the scandal.

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Who Should Listen:
Fans of Housewives, SLOMW, or anyone who loves smart, funny reality TV commentary with a side of real-life wisdom and biting wit.

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“That is Secret Lives of Mormon Wives! I’m excited to get to Southern Charm and some of these other Housewife shows, because, actually—Beverly Hills coming up soon, right?” – Teddi [43:05]

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End of Episode Content

Transcript

[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

Hi guys welcome to another episode of two t's in a pod with myself teddy mellencamp and tamara judge and we are recapping secret lives of mormon wives season three episode three and episode four first can we play a game sure.

[Tamara Judge]

What housewife hasn't been arrested can you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Name them me i me too yeah crazy this is getting insane this is.

[Tamara Judge]

Getting out of control like potomac we.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Got three down in potomac three down.

[Tamara Judge]

Mia karen and wendy this is it's.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

A lot it is a lot it's.

[Tamara Judge]

A lot every day you're waking up and it's like what's next i'm like.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Who'S who's i'm just gonna stay home today i'm not i just want to.

[Tamara Judge]

Stay home i don't want to do anything i'm afraid i'm gonna get in.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Trouble i can't imagine us getting in trouble for any of the things oh.

[Tamara Judge]

Not those things yep.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

So this episode if i never hear the name marciano again it'll be too soon him and.

[Tamara Judge]

His cum spots i just can't i.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Can'T no no well it starts out with macy and michaela continue their conversation with marciano marciano says that demi told him to tell everyone that he slept with jesse he also told them that he kissed to me in the villa.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay first of all where are they they're like in a log cabin in las vegas is that his house no i'm like i've never seen this area of las vegas it's all like i don't know it was weird it's not.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

In vegas i think it's in between.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh i thought they met at in vegas because he lived there no because they drove like four or five hours isn't that how long it takes to.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Get to vegas yeah it was only supposed to take them two and a half hours but they had to stop to pee on themselves multiple times they met in beaver utah oh okay so.

[Tamara Judge]

Demi behind the scenes is doing all this but yet she made out with him too and she's married i i.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Mean it's all too much for me to even take in and i also don't know why we're believing this guy.

[Tamara Judge]

At all i don't know why he's on our screen i don't know why but can we get him on the podcast i want to hear it all marciano cherry or whatever his name is.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well then jordan tells zach about the affair i just want to point out that jordan is telling zach while wearing a dad talk merch hat hat they.

[Tamara Judge]

Had shirts but are you happy to know that marciano doesn't have ed.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Erectile.

[Tamara Judge]

Dysfunction yeah he made that clear he made that clear when he was talking he's like they're like why are you taking that pill well i don't have.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Erectile dysfunction he said i just had stage fright what guy has stage fright.

[Tamara Judge]

Come on.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Guy that's boning as much as he's supposedly boning has stage fright.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't find then why do you i'm with taylor i'm with taylor i don't find him i don't find him.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Hot no i don't see the taylor.

[Tamara Judge]

Cracks me up she's like yeah i get it now yeah i get why they're all into him she's like no.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't no actually i don't i don't get it at all but zach tells jordan that it will get worse before it gets better because the public opinions after the show airs he didn't know if jen's relationship would serve survive when going through their problems jordan said he is willing to take responsibility for mistakes he has made in order to make things work remind me what jen.

[Tamara Judge]

And sack's problem were is he the one that was looking at porn or.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Something he's the one that like flipped out when she went to chippendales remember.

[Tamara Judge]

And then but but there was bigger.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Problems than that yeah but he like was like what kind of wife are you you're disgusting like i'm paraphrasing but whitney's husband was the one who was.

[Tamara Judge]

Looking at porn oh that's right okay so i will say that zach had good advice for jordan much different than when he talked to dakota dakota's like wow man and zach's like you know how are you feeling how are you going to move forward you know he's asking all the right questions and talking to him but dakota's like i'm just here to look hot with my baby.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Blue eyes dark hair minor blue he said that later in the episode yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

That was his minor green but jordan is absolutely convinced that they did not.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Have sex well i think he's probably just saying that well do you think.

[Tamara Judge]

If the pill worked they would that's.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

My point if the pill would have worked do you why would the pill not work because they passed out beforehand because he was drunk and then took the pill and then he tried to get hard and then couldn't and then they fell asleep so they were just dry humping allegedly they were bed jumping.

[Tamara Judge]

Bed jumping better than bed rotting well.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I mean can you even soak when.

[Tamara Judge]

Somebody'S soft oh god i mean it was no it's like putting mashed potatoes.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

In no oh my gosh but this whole thing is just getting so blown out of proportion because i just don't believe this guy i don't believe one word this guy says whether he's taking a lie detector test or not then demi and camille show up to this acta event leila tells demi that they know she tried to conspire with marciano demi shows layla text between her and marciano as proof but leila is confused on why she keeps getting involved leila calls jesse while demi is right next to her and jesse is upset because she feels like the phone call was blindsiding demi then runs off threatens to go live on insta and tell everyone about jesse's affair involved we got a.

[Tamara Judge]

Lot to talk about damn it like she's not doing herself any favors especially by saying she's going to go live and then to say she doesn't want to get goes crazy says she doesn't want to get involved but yet the text messages between her and marciano are non stop she's scrolling and scrolling is.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It like chat gp i mean how who writes those long of text messages.

[Tamara Judge]

Not me you know me bullet points.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Yeah we write a couple sentences here and there and that's like a major feat but she's like i don't want.

[Tamara Judge]

To get involved then she reads something that makes her look like she's getting.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Involved her texts with jesse were just.

[Tamara Judge]

As long nobody texts me like that.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Okay i'm not you have that much.

[Tamara Judge]

To say just pick up the phone.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And call me yeah even if you're blocked like you know i might not.

[Tamara Judge]

Have my readers on i won't be able to see it'll give me a headache like just call me i'm not.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That interested in anything anybody has to say if it needs to take that many words right but i think the move here would have been for layla to call marciano with demi there that would have been the move if she was going to do one even though yeah but i think her talent i just messy layla is messy this season and she doesn't care what she has.

[Tamara Judge]

To do do you remember when we interviewed her after or interviewed a bunch of them after season two and they were already in season three and we said something like i feel like you need to get more involved she's like wait till next season well here it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Is and she's involved she's involved then the girls all decide they're going to so but they're at this jet but then they don't take the jet anywhere which i was confused by i think.

[Tamara Judge]

It was just like an event thing.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Right out of jet like a hanger.

[Tamara Judge]

It was like at a hangar it was kind of cool i thought yeah.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

If you're gonna fly somewhere after but if not like i don't need to go to the airport to hang out.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah i don't know if it was actually an airport or just just like a museum almost where planes are just.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Parked in there well i that i mean i don't know who do you.

[Tamara Judge]

Think the mole is i think i figured it out i i think i think it's marciano i think jesse is telling marciano stuff and marciano was telling.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Demi stuff yeah i think so too that's that's probably a good thing because you can tell by way the the way they're talking they haven't stopped talking and the smiles and the outfits and the all the things but first the girls decide to go on a trip to saint george they say in utah.

[Tamara Judge]

They don't go very far do they.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Miranda is officially back in mom talk but like when did she leave she's been there the whole time i don't.

[Tamara Judge]

Think they actually she was she came back last season right yeah i don't think she was actually back in mom.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Talk okay so she's had to work her way back by not showing by showing she's not the mall but then jesse says she feels betrayed by marciano because he lied but she wants to talk to him because she feels like she needs closure the girls are confused why she wants to see him you know know what so am i so am i well i don't know i.

[Tamara Judge]

Just want to say no girl no you don't want to sit down with him he's trying to destroy your life publicly like why would you give him.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The time the sitting down in the lie detector test is one thing but the dinner is a completely other thing.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh yeah i have a lot to.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Say about that yeah so jen then we see jen learning about the affair jen feels like jesse gaslighted her by calling her a liar even though jesse was hiding all these secrets behind closed doors i mean they might as well be on housewives they kind of are yeah and then jesse asked marciano to take the lie detector with her according to the lie detector demi and marciano didn't have sex according to the lie detector it's inconclusive that jesse and marciano did have the sexual contact i'm going to need all reality show producers to knock it off with the lie detector.

[Tamara Judge]

Test well here's the thing with a lie detector test now this lady did not want to be shown on camera she said no cameras to be in there she also said after the test is taken it takes an hour and a half to get the results back this is how i know that this one is semi you know more legit yeah because our lie detector test we took all of us went in and out in and out in and out there was what six seven of us and then our results came back like that yeah and from what dolores had told me because her father is a chief of police or something like that she he said he was in the background when we were talking about this and he said absolutely not possible to get accurate results from how it was done on orange county so it just goes to prove it was not accurate.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Tamara Judge]

How about jesse like fixing herself in the mirror because marciano's coming and he's walking in with flowers i'm like no why would you.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Walk in with flowers why was she.

[Tamara Judge]

Getting herself all dolled up like she's like making sure she looks good the the chemistry between them is so obvious the camera does not lie it's quite clear that they still have feelings for.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Each other and they're flirting on camera.

[Tamara Judge]

Like does she think this is going to help and when her husband saw it he i don't even know if they're still together i mean it had to have pissed him off it had.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It pissed me off i i know it and of all the outfits to wear all the things it's not one thing did she do is right in.

[Tamara Judge]

This episode well why is she being sweet to him and telling him like i'm separated now and this guy tried to destroy your marriage because clearly she.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Is interested in him yeah i mean clearly i mean she's got to be.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean the poor michaela did you notice like i know she's michaela has the autoimmune issues right yeah she was scratching it seemed like her neck was.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Swollen oh i wonder it's coming back.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh i felt bad for her probably.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The stress of being pregnant and being on the show yeah yeah i bet that's probably why but then i mean that was pretty much like the entire episode three and then we get right into episode four and macy and mikayla are continuing to read the lie detector results at dinner which they invited marciano to by they i mean jesse jesse and who would have thought that taylor repeatedly the voice of reason here over and over again yeah she's like i think i don't think this is a good idea to invite and we know.

[Tamara Judge]

Where the show started it was taylor getting arrested yeah and now now she is the voice of reason i love her to death and i love how she chews on the side of her mouth when she talks i think it's so cute but did she but i i swear jesse said something along the lines is she can't promise that she won't talk to marciano again are they going to be together next season i.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Really hope not but the flowers why would you bring flowers why they had.

[Tamara Judge]

Matching colored outfits and like let's wear.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Beige and pink today the marciano sitting.

[Tamara Judge]

On the couch doing the whatever he was his suit or whatever he was wearing just blended right into the same fabric it was a couch it was the same like what is going on.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Here and i couldn't be less into a person couldn't okay there's something about.

[Tamara Judge]

Him that's just not no not it.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I wanna i wanna i wanna talk to some of the production over at the show and be like why guys why why did we need to do this we could have done all of this without him being there i don't.

[Tamara Judge]

Know feels a little scripted like i said and i feel like i don't know i i feel like they have to all be on in on it because i couldn't imagine having an affair on my husband and then going oh by the way we're gonna bring him on the show and i'm gonna go meet with him then i'm gonna have dinner with him i mean if and.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

He'S gonna be the only guy at dinner and he's gonna sit next to me and we're gonna laugh and we're gonna put our hands on each other and we're gonna oh my god really like no you just took a lie detector test that you guys failed some results on so i wouldn't be so.

[Tamara Judge]

Happy would have packed my bags and sent me go get out you're done.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Here but then when jesse asked regarding the situation involving marcelo have you lied about any of it and regarding the situation involving marcelo have you told any lies about demi jesse said no it claims she lied both times then jordan calls her and he's pissed that he's she's at dinner with marciano she is.

[Tamara Judge]

Meeting with a guy that she had an affair with and then when she gets called out by her husband she.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Shuts down completely shuts down i mean i think the issue we're not saying here is that jesse seems to want to make reality good tv more than she wants to mend her marriage relationship.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah it sounds like it it really.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Does because i mean between that and when she was talking about him and reading the text and her husband was standing right behind her.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean it's almost like she's pushing it in his face okay is it me or does she look exactly like jen pedrante is.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

It me or she look exactly like demi now well they i kind of.

[Tamara Judge]

Think they did last year but i she reminds me of jen pedanti the face the jaw the hair the the way she talks and is a little bit angelic in the way she speaks and i swear every time i watch i'm like oh my god they could be like they need to take dna.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Tests they could be related they could take a dna test right after they finish their lie detector test just get the urine ready but taylor brings all the girls together so jesse has the opportunity to open up to them and jesse reveals how awful her relationship with jordan really was and jesse fully breaks down realizing she could be getting a second divorce one more and she's ross from friends.

[Tamara Judge]

So i didn't realize she was married before yeah she had a child from another marriage too i don't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Know because they don't show her kids.

[Tamara Judge]

We haven't seen too many kids except for taylor's yeah we saw her one we don't see her other children from her other marriage but we saw i think michaela's kids or yeah yeah when.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

They were doing like a tick tock or something like that well jesse gets back home and jordan blows up at her for going to dinner with marciano which i didn't think he necessarily blew up he just was like hey why are we doing this i will tell.

[Tamara Judge]

You right now if i cheated on eddie then went to dinner with the guy brought him on the show and was fixing my hair and being all lovey dovey with him i'm pretty sure he'd be worse than jordan and he.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Brought you flowers and he brought me.

[Tamara Judge]

Flowers i think his eddie's delivery be a hell of a lot harder than what jordan's was yeah first of all eddie probably wouldn't film he'd be like i'm out of here goodbye i'm gonna pack your bags you're leaving i'm actually.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Surprised he does keep filming but he and then he even films like a thing at his house a barbecue at his house that was weird but he needs her to promise that she'll never speak to marciano again but she says she can't she can't because marciano is now part of this world and the storyline and unfortunately jordan that's the way the cookie crumbles now he's welcome to reality tv we can't get like the fact that he's willing to drive these far distances and come in just to look like an does he not get it he looks like a complete douche lord he looks like a douche then layla and miranda go to coffee and leila voices her insecurities about her hair it's falling out from her extensions from jay z styles she needs to go to someone that knows her hair texture but doesn't want to hurt jesse's okay.

[Tamara Judge]

How did you feel about this i.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Felt like it was just another way for her to cause drama because just tell her i need to and it.

[Tamara Judge]

Fell flat and it fell flat but i've seen the wind blow and i've seen her hair extensions in the past and they look like they were tape ins which tape ins are so damaging to your hair but i thought jesse does the sew in one well either.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Way we don't know clearly if she said she needed to go to a different hairstylist she needed to go to a different hairstylist that's going to protect her hair but why she felt the need to not be able to tell jesse and then make jesse have to explain it on camera it just seemed like a follow up from last season when demi was like oh i don't want to go to jesse for my hair clearly she needed to find someone that could do her hair and make it so it wasn't gonna be in the situation that it was and i think jesse clearly understood that she just didn't understand why laila was trying to keep it a secret and you know what to be perfectly honest i don't know why she was trying to keep it a secret either well i think.

[Tamara Judge]

Jesse handled it very well she said.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I don't have the background to do your particular hair so i'd love to see the way that she did it it yeah and she handled it with grace and knew that it was something that she had to step away for for somebody that had more experience but.

[Tamara Judge]

But do you think that layla was expecting a fight over it and that's why she brought it on tv or wanted a fight or was it they just wanted to give her a little bit of personal story because she did in that scene when she was getting her hair done talk about you know her dad being black and her mom being white and she wasn't really around her dad that much and she was called whitewashed her whole life and didn't feel like she fit in and the church frowns upon darker skin which is absolutely crazy to me yeah i think.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

That it was definitely a way to give her some personal story but i wish she would have just handled it differently yeah instead of making it a drama just making it about us getting to know her because that ended up making us instead of it being a learning opportunity it was like why don't you just tell your friend come on it made it look like she did something wrong as opposed to just being honest then at the mco beauty event all the mom talk girls reunite with jen for the first time in a while jen pulls jesse aside jesse apologizes saying she was projecting her own relationship issues onto jen and zach well jen affleck got her redemption a spot on dancing with the stars a commercial with cousin ben she's killing it she is killing it i know she and she handled that really well i thought too i thought she was nice and i.

[Tamara Judge]

Liked her i i she's cute i think she has so many lovable qualities.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

About her me too and dare i say i've been liking her husband this season zach yeah yeah i know.

[Tamara Judge]

Yep.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

I like him too i know that's why you're on these good couple episodes then jordan invites all the dad talk guys over to jesse's house jordan essentially asking the guys to tell their wives to support him and jesse getting back together i mean the fact that jesse wasn't invited was a little strange to me like if you're wanting to have this open conversation in this open dialogue then she should have been there i agree like let's just have her there and he could say listen i love you i want to be with you i want all these girls to know that yes i have made mistakes but you are my priority and these are the things that have upset me but i want to be together i mean that would have been a lot easier than the way that this but that.

[Tamara Judge]

Wouldn'T have been good tv probably well.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

At least it would have been realistic television because now macy and jacob are in their backyard talking about marciano macy and jacob compare the stories they've heard from jordan and jesse we learned that jordan invited everyone over except for jesse.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah i think that's kind of a dick move i think that they should have she should have been there she should have heard what he said it's not like they you know they didn't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like getting divorced yeah no but i.

[Tamara Judge]

Mean as we see nobody girls then.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Start kind of standing up for her they don't even have they're standing up.

[Tamara Judge]

For because jesse told them that he was abusive so now the girl's like okay we got our girl this ain't.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Gonna happen well i feel like there has to be some truth to that.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean i wasn't in the greatest.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Marriage yep but how long were you.

[Tamara Judge]

In it i was in it eleven.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Years yeah so it takes a while for some people to finally feel comfortable to leave but the girls get together at the barbecue and they start off by talking about jordan's intentions and taylor quickly switches the conversation to talk about anal taylor gotta love her do you like it does it hurt jen insinuates that her and zach do it good for them just when my anal days are over so are mine i interfere.

[Tamara Judge]

With my hemorrhoids.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

How many you got these days i don't know i lost.

[Tamara Judge]

Count the whole cluster.

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[Teddy Mellencamp]

The whole outfits of everybody at the barbecue they're wearing these cut off tank tops and they're giving so many nip slips oh my god and.

[Tamara Judge]

I'M talking about the male yes those those nineteen eighty five shirts that are the armpit holes are cut all the way down to the waist no no.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And so many of them i couldn't.

[Tamara Judge]

Even imagine eddie walking out in one of those get your ass in there and change you're not put on a.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Viori shirt right now anything but that.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't even like tank tops on.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Guys me neither i don't i'm not a tank top person but then the girl jordan tears up and tells his side of the story then the girls remind him that he behaved poorly in the relationship too jen and zach wish they received this type of support when their marriage was on the line they did not at all but something that i do think we need to dig into a little bit more is remember back when there was issues with jen and her husband and how on it jesse was to kind of like come at her for the way he treated her huh and now here we are.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah so she's not giving her jen is not doing it back to her.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Though yet no jesse said to jen she was projecting so i mean i.

[Tamara Judge]

Don'T i don't necessarily think that's true i think she was just being a bitch and she feels like haha i have something on you i'm gonna bring it out i'm gonna make drama over this i don't think she was projecting.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

But clearly jen was like really struggling then really struggling that's the thing jen.

[Tamara Judge]

Was in such a bad place she went to a mental health facility like she wasn't to my knowledge being like.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Some big no she was just brokenhearted about her husband yeah yeah i agree i mean and this is before she went into this is before she got pregnant again this was just her brokenhearted sharing with her friends what was going on with her husband and they all you know kind of turned on her.

[Tamara Judge]

Did you notice layla's little comment when she walked in and she saw jordan she's all are you paying hourly for.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

The house i know she keeps trying to do these little digs and they're not landing for me i know she.

[Tamara Judge]

Is trying to be messy but do.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

You think they're like she's written them down on her hand before she goes in and then she's like let me.

[Tamara Judge]

Memorize this but again taylor is the voice of reason she sees both sides she's sympathetic with did you see taylor.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

And dakota wanting to go at it for a second then they reeled it in no yes like fighting yes for a sec there was like a quick second i didn't notice that dakota was like yeah i mean but the difference with me is like it was before we were even together and then she's like really before we were even together and then all of a sudden both of them were like.

[Tamara Judge]

Taylor from the beginning to the end has said it was not a good idea for jesse to bring marciano dinner she said it that night at dinner yeah and then she said it amongst the group she's the only girl in that group i mean any woman would say not a.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Good idea not a good idea any single one and especially after sitting down for dinner with him then i would have even if i didn't realize it at first then i would have been like okay this is really a bad idea because of the flirtation it's not.

[Tamara Judge]

Just me you saw the chemistry between.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Them yes and i didn't want to see it i really wanted to not see it i wanted to because now i'm like what are they fighting for to get back together but why would.

[Tamara Judge]

You act that way to a guy that's publicly trying to destroy you because.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She'S in lust with him oh god.

[Tamara Judge]

What if she lights up with him.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

She did an interview on the fourteenth saying she's working on things with jordan so she is back together with jordan working on things right but still i just it's i don't know i feel like we i'm ready for whitney to come back i'm ready for everybody to get involved i'm ready for the message where is whitney whitney's waiting till they invite her to the oscars remember so.

[Tamara Judge]

Whitney it's a contract issue right now that's why she's not filming.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Wow but she'll be back but i'm ready for everybody to come back and i'm ready for it to be a different story because i to be perfectly honest i don't actually care about the marcianos thing.

[Tamara Judge]

No but don't you think demi came in just she came in hot i.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Mean when they have a girl what are you doing ran to her car with her celsius to like i'm gonna go live i'm gonna go live i'm like maybe you should quit sipping on that celsius and i have a cell.

[Tamara Judge]

Right now i never drink them ever but it was in there and i felt like i needed some energy and this is from bravocon they put them.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

In our goodie bags yep take a gulp and then yell at someone who you gonna go live about i don't.

[Tamara Judge]

Know piss me off the days young.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Well you need i have a new show for you to watch truth and proof no the beast in me the beast in me claire danes what is it so good i don't know but.

[Tamara Judge]

It'S so good are you watching landman.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

No i haven't started yet but i.

[Tamara Judge]

Got it but you have to start.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

From season one well i watched season one oh you did i just love it and i love it too but yeah that is secret lives of mormon wives i'm excited to get to southern charm and some of these other housewife shows because i actually beverly hills coming.

[Tamara Judge]

Up soon right december ninth or something.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

Like that maybe december sixth six i can't remember neither we're both wrong we're.

[Tamara Judge]

Both wrong it's even sooner than we thought it's going out in a little over a week i'm excited about that what else is coming on so orange county is done as of thursday and then we still have salt lake city i heard they're going to film the reunion soon wow and potomac yeah we're going to be busy yeah we're going.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

To be busy we've got southern charm it's gonna be good we got a lot of them we got a lot of them but i love you tam.

[Tamara Judge]

Love you too thanks guys for tuning.

[Teddy Mellencamp]

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