A Walking Red Flag (RHONY & RHOBH Recap)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode Title: A Walking Red Flag (RHONY & RHOBH Recap)
Release Date: February 6, 2025
Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Guest: Andy Cohen

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Introduction

In this episode of Two Ts In A Pod, hosts Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge dive deep into the latest episodes of The Real Housewives of New York (RHONY) and The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH). Joined by special guest Andy Cohen, they dissect the drama, analyze the characters' actions, and offer their insights into the unfolding narratives.

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Recap of RHONY Episode 17

Emotional Turmoil and Character Conflicts

• Emotional Rollercoaster: Tamra shares her whirlwind of emotions after watching RHONY Episode 17, stating, "I feel like I was taken on a range of emotions, like 5 million different things I needed to kind of go through." (01:10)

• Rebecca's Exit: Both hosts discuss Rebecca's abrupt departure from the show. Tamra notes, "We didn't really get enough from her. But she already announced that she's not coming back." (02:00)

• Bren's Apology Gone Awry: The conversation shifts to Bren's interaction with Jenna and her apology, where Tamra criticizes Bren's sincerity: "Bren got emotional, telling Jenna everyone hates her. Sy Says Bren's waterworks are like clockwork and she needs an Oscar." (05:10)

• UBA and Bren's Tension: The hosts delve into the strained relationship between UBA and Bren. Tamra observes, "I feel like UBA likes Bren more than she likes Aaron." (04:40)

Notable Quotes:

• Andy Cohen: "...Bryn has bad intentions." (05:08)
• Tamra Judge: "If you don't have a friend, have you gone into a reunion where you don't have a friend?" (06:22)

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Recap of RHOBH Episode 10

Sutton and Reba Dynamics

• Revelation of Sutton's Mother: The hosts explore Sutton's relationship with her mother, Reba. Tamra highlights, "Reba... was the new villain." (22:36)

• Sutton's Emotional Struggles: Andy comments on Sutton's emotional state, saying, "She was worried going into it, like, what was possibly going to come out of Reba's mouth." (23:04)

Relationship Issues: PK and Dorit

• Divorce Drama: The tension between PK and Dorit is a focal point. Tamra mentions, "Dorit says PK does not want to be married to her. Dorit says she will go to war if she has to." (39:03)

• Legal Implications: The discussion touches on California's 10-year rule for spousal support, with Andy stating, "The 10-year rule remains mainly replies to spousal support, alimony rather than property division." (43:18)

Keely and Bose's Relationship

• Red Flag Alert: Tamra humorously labels herself as a "queen of red flags," tying it to observations about Bose and Keely's relationship dynamics. "I am a walking red flag at this moment." (26:14)

Notable Quotes:

• Andy Cohen: "If you told me that happened to you, I'd be like, oh, my God." (14:50)
• Tamra Judge: "The person we see on TV is not the person that we had on the pod." (07:08)

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Key Discussions and Insights

Character Analysis and Motivations

• Bren's Manipulative Tactics: Both hosts express skepticism about Bren's genuine remorse, suggesting her emotional displays might be strategic rather than heartfelt.

• UBA's Role: UBA is seen as trying to mediate the conflicts, yet there are indications she might have deeper loyalties affecting her impartiality.

• Rebecca's True Self: Tamra and Andy discuss the disparity between Rebecca's off-camera persona, which they find open and funny, versus her on-camera demeanor, which seems more reserved and business-focused.

Relationship Dynamics and Red Flags

• Sutton's Mother: The intricate and strained relationship between Sutton and her mother Reba is a significant point of analysis, with both hosts questioning Sutton's portrayal and motives.

• PK and Dorit's Divorce: The complexity of Dorit's emotional state and PK's legal maneuvers highlight the often tumultuous nature of relationships depicted in reality TV.

Legal and Financial Implications

• California's 10-Year Rule: The hosts unpack the legal nuances of spousal support and alimony in California, providing listeners with a clearer understanding of how long-term relationships are handled legally.

Humor and Relatability

• Personal Anecdotes: Tamra shares personal experiences, such as her reluctance to carry cash, to draw parallels with show dynamics, adding a relatable layer to the discussion.

Notable Quotes:

• Tamra Judge: "If you have a friend that doesn't like somebody, then you're not supposed to like that person." (38:37)
• Andy Cohen: "Having zero self-awareness is not a good trait to have, for sure." (11:18)

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Conclusions and Final Thoughts

Moving Forward

• Reunions as Turning Points: Both hosts agree that reunions serve as critical moments for cast members to confront past actions and seek resolutions. However, the effectiveness of these confrontations varies, with some issues being glossed over rather than thoroughly addressed.

• Future of the Shows: Teddi and Tamra speculate on the future castings and possible directions for RHONY and RHOBH, especially considering the tensions and unresolved conflicts highlighted in the latest episodes.

Empathy and Understanding

• Supporting Cast Members: The hosts emphasize the importance of empathy, especially when discussing traumatic events like Bren's family issues. They advocate for understanding the psychological defenses people employ in high-stress environments like reality TV.

Final Notable Quotes:

• Andy Cohen: "Well, at the end of the day, it looks like everybody will come back." (17:20)
• Tamra Judge: "I think there is such a soft, like, motherly, kind, loving side of her that we oftentimes don't see." (19:27)

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Closing Remarks

Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge provide an insightful and candid analysis of the latest developments in RHONY and RHOBH. Their conversation, enriched by Andy Cohen's perspectives, offers listeners a comprehensive understanding of the show's dynamics, character motivations, and the intricate web of relationships that define these popular reality series.

Stay tuned for more episodes of Two Ts In A Pod as Teddi and Tamra continue to break down your favorite Housewives with honesty and humor.

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Timestamp Reference

• RHONY Recap:

  • Introduction to Episode 17: 01:10
  • Rebecca's Exit: 02:00
  • Bren's Apology: 05:10
  • UBA and Bren's Tension: 04:40

• RHOBH Recap:

  • Sutton and Reba: 22:36
  • PK and Dorit's Divorce: 39:03
  • Keely and Bose: 26:14

• Key Discussions:

  • Bren's Manipulation: Various timestamps
  • UBA's Role: 07:08
  • Rebecca's Discrepancy: 07:08
  • California's 10-Year Rule: 43:18

(Note: For brevity, only select timestamps are highlighted. The full transcript contains a comprehensive dialogue covering multiple points throughout the episode.)

Transcript

[Teddy Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge. Hi, guys. Welcome to another episode of Two T's in a Pod.

[Andy Cohen]

What's up, Teddy Jo?

[Tamara Judge]

What's up?

[Andy Cohen]

What's up?

[Tamara Judge]

What's up? We are going to be recapping episode 17 of New York and episode 10 of Beverly Hills. Should we start with New York?

[Andy Cohen]

Yes, please. Let's.

[Tamara Judge]

Let's. Okay. So did you enjoy it? I mean, I feel like I was taken on a range of emotions, like 5 million different things I needed to kind of go through. But I can tell you that I left the season feeling differently than I thought I was going to.

[Andy Cohen]

Me too.

[Tamara Judge]

I know.

[Andy Cohen]

And I feel really bad for Rebecca. I feel like she just got annihilated for the 10 minutes she was out there.

[Tamara Judge]

I didn't really. I. I gotta say, it wasn't that I felt bad for Rebecca. I didn't really have any feelings whatsoever.

[Andy Cohen]

I felt bad. I thought that Aaron was really mean to her, and it was all about the Scientology, and. I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, I don't think that we got enough from her. But she already announced that she's not coming back.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Tamara Judge]

Which is a quick turnaround on that announcement. But it starts off where Jenna tells Bren that she can't believe she'd do this to Jessalyn Pavitt. Bren apologizing, saying she's mortified and thought it was a cute joke. Jaisal says Pavitt now questions everything she does. This made me sad because, yeah, it's.

[Andy Cohen]

Not a cute joke. That's not a cute joke, Bren. She was trying to stir the pot, and she's talking about a married woman that's been married for a decade and has kids.

[Tamara Judge]

And clearly this was a conversation had about sex, not about love. And either way, it was a conversation had off camera. And it made me feel like I could totally imagine feeling weird if I was Povet. Like, when Jessel Said, I mean, sometimes Jessel really beats around the bush with what she's talking about. But when she goes, you know, I've always had a husband who's been very cool and easygoing with my trips and my travel and my life and whatever it is that I want to do and been very supportive. And now, for the first time, because of something Bryn said, he's questioning me.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, he's doubting her. I think the girls would be more responsive to Bryn if she just own that she likes to embellish and cause drama.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I mean, there's no way she thought that was a cute joke. No, she's a smart gal.

[Andy Cohen]

Yes. She knew what she was doing. She did it all season long.

[Tamara Judge]

Then Andy brings up Bren giving UBA the advice to not be an angry black woman. This is in quotes. And Bren says UBA said they would not give her fair treatment like Aaron did because she's white. Aaron says UBA never said that. Bren says she identifies as a black woman and hasn't had the same experience as uba. UBA says she's had an excellent experience as a black woman. I feel like what they're not saying is that by the way, Bren presented this to the audience, it felt like she wasn't protecting UBA, but rather trying to manipulate the audience perception of uba.

[Andy Cohen]

But also, did she mean production or the ladies would not give her fair treatment?

[Tamara Judge]

I think that she meant the audience.

[Andy Cohen]

Or that too.

[Tamara Judge]

I think she meant the audience, but I could be wrong. But I don't think she was trying to have uba's back in this.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, UBA was very sweet. I kind of wish that UBA would have held her Bryn more accountable. Like, I feel like she just, like, accepted her apology and moved on, which is good to accept an apology, but it was just very brushed over.

[Tamara Judge]

I also feel like UBA likes Bren more than she likes Aaron.

[Andy Cohen]

UBA likes Bren. It sounds. It seemed like it.

[Tamara Judge]

Like every time Aaron would even open her mouth, like, she was on Aaron.

[Andy Cohen]

Who was on Aaron. Uba.

[Tamara Judge]

Uba. Like, there's something that I'm missing in between that relationship that I don't fully understand. Cause one, they're sitting next to each other on the couch at this point.

[Andy Cohen]

I don't even know who's good friends and who's not.

[Tamara Judge]

Now. Well, I can tell you none of them are good friends. But then they take a break, and the women agree that Bryn is talking in circles. Bren gets emotional, telling Jenna everyone hates her. Sy Says Bren's waterworks are like clockwork and she needs an Oscar. Did you find Bren's tears believable?

[Andy Cohen]

I think there was more to her tears. I think that she was anticipating everybody coming after her so she was getting emotional so people would think, like, oh, don't come for me because I'm so sad. But Jenna lied to her. Everyone there thinks Bryn has bad intentions. Everyone there does. And Jenna's like, no, that's not. Yeah, they do.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I think that, you know, Bren's tears are genuine. I just don't think she's crying because she's misdirected. Yeah, I think she's crying because she can't manipulate herself out of the shit shows.

[Andy Cohen]

It's very hard to go into a reunion where you know that you screwed up all season. I mean, what Bryn did was over the top. And to know that you have to face, you know, your co workers, but also you don't.

[Tamara Judge]

If you don't have a friend. Like, have you gone into a reunion where you don't have a friend?

[Andy Cohen]

I went to a reunion that I was like hours late because I was refusing to go. That's that one where I screamed. That's my opinion.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I can't wait to get to that one because I haven't seen it. But not having a friend and also, like, having the brutality of what we're seeing is hard. Then we get Rebecca joins the women. Rebecca sarcastically says it was fun to hear Bren make fun of her brand and the Nordstrom Rack comment, even though her brand has been around for 20 something years. Bren says Rebecca said she only wanted to promote her brand on the show and she's wasting everyone's time.

[Andy Cohen]

I think a lot of people want to come on and promote their brands. I mean, let's face it, this is a huge platform. But if that's the only reason you're coming on, it's probably not going to happen.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I don't know what Rebecca was planning on showing, but she didn't really open up about her life. I get that she's a friend of. But we didn't really. We loved her on the pod. She was great on the pod. She was open, she was funny. She's funny on text message. And what we're seeing on the show and that 10 little minute blip on the reunion, we saw none of that personality. And I don't know, and maybe I'm just guessing, is that because of her relationship to Scientology?

[Andy Cohen]

No, I. I get. I think she's just a little bit self produced. And, you know, reality TV is not for everyone. Not everybody feels comfortable opening up to the cameras. But on a one on one situation, when she was on the pod, she was way more open than she was ever on the show.

[Tamara Judge]

And she could take a joke. Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

And she's funny. I really like her. The person we see on TV is not the person that we had on the pod. And I think it's just one of those things where she just doesn't feel comfortable. But I did think Bryn wanted the heat off of her, so that's why she was going so hard after Rebecca.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, then Aaron says Rebecca called her to complain about her tone when asking how she can be Jewish and a Scientologist, Even though she. This part confused me. Even though she had prepped her on how to ask about it.

[Andy Cohen]

She did in the helicopter. She's like, if somebody asks, you just say, you know, I don't have no comment. Or something like that. Remember that scene?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but I feel like there was an additional prepping that we didn't see.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh.

[Tamara Judge]

Because the long time had passed in between that. But then Aaron says Rebecca never checked in on her about her dad. Rebecca says she sent Aaron a poem after her dad died. And then Rebecca said she was not reluctant to talk about Scientology on camera and that the subject just has been disrespected. Rebecca says the word cult is hate speech, and Andy would not be asking these questions about other religions.

[Andy Cohen]

How about when Brent says Rebecca doesn't even live in New York? She's got. She's got two houses, one in Florida, which is very common for people in New York. One in Florida, one in New York. Just because she has two houses and she's a successful person doesn't mean she doesn't live in New York.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I've watched Tiktoks longer than Rebecca was on this reunion. We've spent more time talking about Rebecca at the reunion than she was on it.

[Andy Cohen]

I know, but Rebecca's like, oh, that was quick and dirty. Peace out. That's the Rebecca we know.

[Tamara Judge]

That's the Rebecca we know. But then the women discussed their trip to Puerto Rico. UBA says she wasn't calling the ocean disgusting. It was the small stream of water leading up to the ocean. Sai says that as a Puerto Rican, she doesn't want people to be discouraged, to go. UBA apologizes that her this line didn't really make sense to me. UBA apologizes that her authenticity makes the women uncomfortable. UBA says to continue to be Afraid. Andy tells UBA that her friends feel like they need to censor themselves around her. And UBA says they should. But then Andy's like, hold on, that's not a good thing.

[Andy Cohen]

That's not a good thing.

[Tamara Judge]

And she kind of went back and forth.

[Andy Cohen]

UBA says things for shock value. And when Uba's mad, she's a little bit like me, which I'm trying to work on and just is an explosive and speaks her truth. But do you think people don't like that?

[Tamara Judge]

But when you're explosive, and I'm not coming at you, I'm just saying, but when you're explosive, you tend to poke at what somebody is actually going through. Right? I think people in general, I mean.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, you're talking about last year, but.

[Tamara Judge]

You'Re not just willy nilly throwing something out. You have a self awareness that what you're gonna say. So UBA acting as if she has zero self awareness is hard for me to recognize.

[Andy Cohen]

Having zero self awareness is not a good trait to have, for sure. I wish Uber would have just apologized. They could move on. I'm tired of hearing about the dirty beaches and the pigeons.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm tired. I'm tired of the dirty beaches and the pigeons. Then Andy asked Aaron if watching back, she thinks she was involved in the shit talking. Aaron apologizes and says that she stood up for Jessa when it became too much. UBA tells Aaron she does not get a sticker for that. That was kind of funny. Aaron does have a slight issue with just taking accountability for things. And I do think that's where the gaslighting conversation came in.

[Andy Cohen]

But they all just shit talk. They all, Aaron, everybody shit talks on that show. Welcome to the Housewives.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, we should talk and move on. Yeah, let's go.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Then Andy asked Uva why she was insinuating that Bren slept with someone to get this job knowing what had happened on the Jeff Lewis show. UBA says she was mad and regrets saying it. But she said she also didn't realize that happened on the Jeff Lewis show. I mean, whether we wanted to realize that happened on the Jeff Lewis show, we realized. And UBA is clearly on social media. I mean, she's in your dm, so I don't think she's got her head like.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, it's all a matter of. Well now at this point, obviously she knows about the Jeff Lewis thing because wasn't it on the show?

[Tamara Judge]

Yes.

[Andy Cohen]

But back during they were filming, maybe she had not heard about it. I don't know what the timeline is according to were they done filming when Jeff did that? Like, I don't know whether they were done film.

[Tamara Judge]

They were not done filming when Jeff did that. But also, I mean, they were all talking about it multiple times and it was all over social media. It'd be like us saying we didn't realize that Gretchen was coming back to oc. Like, oh, I didn't know.

[Andy Cohen]

Right. Gotcha.

[Tamara Judge]

It's all over the Internet.

[Andy Cohen]

Right, Right.

[Tamara Judge]

Unless she does not go on the Internet, which she's made it very clear she does. She probably knew what Jeff Lewis said.

[Andy Cohen]

Not going to disagree with that then.

[Tamara Judge]

Bren says a week before BravoCon, she called UBA and word vomited everything bad that had happened to her. Bren says that she said, in Uba's defense, she possibly didn't remember her talking about the rape. Sy and Aaron say Bren never said that. Jenna says Bren said UBA might. Might not have clocked it, which felt careless. Andy says the women were upset with UBA on Bren's behalf. Didn't. I'm a little bit. I might need more information. Didn't Bryn originally say she called UBA because her family member committed suicide?

[Andy Cohen]

Yes, that's where I got confused too. So, yeah, she said her family member committed suicide and she was having, like, I don't know if maybe she didn't want to go to Bravicon because of this. And now the story changed to a.

[Tamara Judge]

Family member bought a gun and may have committed. She didn't know if they committed suicide, which also is traumatizing.

[Andy Cohen]

Yes, of course. But here's the thing. Uba's story in this situation has stayed the same while Bren's has changed so many times.

[Tamara Judge]

But do I think that there is a chance that Bryn was hysterically crying to UBA and word vomited a million things and UBA didn't hear every part of it.

[Andy Cohen]

I think that that is such, you know, something that those words are something you would not forget, in my opinion.

[Tamara Judge]

Right.

[Andy Cohen]

If you told me that happened to you, I'd be like, oh, my God. Like, but why was she telling her that at that moment? Had it just happened? Like, why was she word vomiting because of her past?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, what it seemed like is, like, she was very emotional. And I'm not making. I'm neither here nor there on this. Either way, I think it's a traumatizing event. And I do not think that UBA intentionally didn't hear what she said.

[Andy Cohen]

I don't either.

[Tamara Judge]

But I do know that I'VE had conversations where people are hysterical and I can't understand a word they're saying. And I'm just like, I'm here for you. Love you. What do you need? But could I probably remember every part of a conversation if the person is hysterical? I think I want to believe that Bren isn't, like, wouldn't weaponize a situation like that. Do I think that Bren went too far when they were on the trip and said the things that she said? Absolutely. And then acted like nothing happened the next day? Absolutely. But I started doing a little bit of research on people that have gone through, like, traumatic events like this, and that is, like, a huge defense mechanism. And.

[Andy Cohen]

And I was very sweet about it. And she. She forgave her. Like, there was really not too many questions asked. I thought this was going to be the biggest fight at the reunion. And it was. It was a little glazed over.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I think. Because ultimately, I think Bren and Uwa do have a lot of love for each other. And I think that when we really look at the show, they were both the most activated on the show this season. I mean, what else? I mean, Cy and Jessel and Jenna and Raquel, like, we didn't really get much from them. And I could imagine a place where, I mean, those girls were. Granted, Uwa doesn't drink, but those girls were drinking all day long. I would imagine Bren was pretty sauced by then. She looked pretty sauced, right?

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And, you know, she took things too far, in my opinion. She took things too far and then.

[Andy Cohen]

Shit, what do I do?

[Tamara Judge]

What do I do?

[Andy Cohen]

Well, you know, it. At the end of the day, at the end of the reunion, it looks like everybody will come back.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, except for Rebecca.

[Andy Cohen]

Rebecca. But she was a friend. It really was set up like that.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, also, what about Psy, like, giving, like, so proud of Jenna for really bringing it this reunion. But I also. I've never heard of a dry reunion set. Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

I wonder why.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, maybe because of what happened.

[Andy Cohen]

They don't like us to drink until the very end. They'll give us, like, on a break. They'll give us, like, a glass of wine or something like that. But this time, they brought out a cake.

[Tamara Judge]

They brought out a cake. We never drank at the beginning of a reunion ever. After lunch break, like, we would have the option to have a glass of champagne if we wanted. So the fact that it was a dry set leads me to believe maybe.

[Andy Cohen]

Because of, you know, what went down and how deep it was that they Were worried that it was gonna get too dirty if girls were sauced on set. So they're like, come on, guys, this is. You have to be serious about this. But, you know, Sy, she wasn't very happy that Uwe was so forgiving to.

[Tamara Judge]

Bren, but then she was forgiving to her at the end. Then Cy went up to the front.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, she said. She goes. Uba's very kind to forgive and hug her, considering the allegations against her. Like, she really wanted it to, you know, stick.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. But then at the end, she went up to Bren and gave her a hug and said, come over and see the kids. My daughter.

[Andy Cohen]

She was defeated. Everybody else was like, oh, poor, poor Bren. Yeah, I mean, I think she just kind of did that. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, it's. Do I think Bren up in so many ways, obviously.

[Andy Cohen]

Um, but it looks like, you know, everything's good and they're going to move forward. So I know that there's casting going on for New York, and it'll be curious to see what they do with that show.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I wish we got to see this side of UBA more because, I mean, after all, she's still trying to help Bren. And, like, there's such a soft, like, motherly, kind, loving side of her that we oftentimes don't see. Because, you know, Erin made a good point. She will make assumptions about something and get heated before she even knows what the outcome is going to be.

[Andy Cohen]

You know what I think? I think this is only their second season. None of them have been on TV before, so they're trying to navigate through the reality world. And, you know, Sy came back a totally different person this season, very calm. And I think that UBA saw that, you know, the screaming and yelling and saying the things she said throughout the season probably didn't work, and she probably got a lot of hate for it. And she's like, you know what? I'm going to stop doing that. And there's. I always say there's two different types of housewives. There's ones that see themselves and just go, eh, whatever, that's me. Or they're like, I need to work on it.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. But the final thoughts are Sai apologizes for talking poorly about Aaron, says Sai says Aaron has been there for her the past year and she's a good friend. UBA agrees. Then Jenna tells Bren that they love her and they care about her, and Bren apologizes to all the women, and then the women all share a pavlova.

[Andy Cohen]

What the. Oh, that's the cake.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but I got confused about the roach part.

[Andy Cohen]

I missed it because somebody put a roach in the cake prior to Scaram. Member. That was.

[Tamara Judge]

It was one of the stupid pranks.

[Andy Cohen]

One of the stupid pranks in the Hamptons.

[Tamara Judge]

All right, well, let's take a quick break, and then I. I think they're all going to be back.

[Andy Cohen]

I do, too.

[Tamara Judge]

I think they're all going to be back. But let's take a quick break, and then we'll go to Beverly Hills. Hi, guys. We are back to talk all things Beverly Hills. Episode 10. It starts with a flashback, which always confuses me. Like, I'm not smart enough to realize it's a flashback. So.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, I'm like, wait, is this the right episode? Did I start the middle? I mean, they were trying to do some serious Salt Lake City editing in that intro.

[Tamara Judge]

I was like, what? Like, I. Seriously two times. Like, I even was about to text Kendall, one of our producers. Like, I think my episode starting in the wrong part. Like, I'm pressing it back. But it's a flashback to 2016. PK and Dorit profess their love for each other. Flash forward to now. Dorit says PK does not want to be married to her. Dorit says she will go to war if she has to. Then. So this is like the dramatic entrance. And then one week earlier, Sutton invites Garcelle and Kyle to Augusta to meet her mother, Reba. Mistake.

[Andy Cohen]

Reba. Oh, my goodness. She's the new villain.

[Tamara Judge]

Reba and Sutton are the same human being.

[Andy Cohen]

They are.

[Tamara Judge]

They.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, I don't know if Sutton is as bad yet, but you can definitely. It gives a lot of clarity. As bad yet, because, you know, you get worse as you get. I think that it brought a lot of clarity to why Sutton acts the way she does and how she responds to people the way she does because of her mom. Her mom is her.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, it's. It's that things are veiled in a joke, but they're not funny.

[Andy Cohen]

Not in her mom's mind. She's just, like, blatant, like, no, but I think.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, but Sutton is still trying to pull off her comments as shade or as being funny, but they kind of weren't.

[Andy Cohen]

I mean, even Sutton is afraid of her mother. Like, she knows, and she was worried going into it. Like, what was possibly going to come out of Reba's mouth?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, Sutton says she was resentful of her mother's praise for Christian. Sutton also kind of talks about how her mom never gives her love and Kindness in regards to her store or any of those things. And it appears to me like she wants to impress her mother. But because Christian is the one that funds the mother, that's not going to change.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, I think Christian funds Sutton and Sutton funds the mother. So I think that, you know, Sutton broke it down later on in the episode that that's why it was about the money.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Well, what about how Sutton must be like, okay, you guys have lost your mother, so come and meet mine so you can see why you're better off.

[Andy Cohen]

That's a good way of looking at it. I'm actually shocked that Erica was invited.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know that Erica would have gone to meet Sutton's mom, But all I did think while I was watching this Time in Augusta was, I remember my last year on Housewives, they were like, do you want to go to South Carolina with a couple of the gals to, like, meet your mom and your sister? And, like, thankfully, the timing didn't work out because, like, I was watching it, and I was like, this. This isn't working for me. This is giving me anxiety.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, I love when they. They did it on Orange county last year, where I took the girls to Big Bear, and then Gina took the girls to Palm Desert. I like when they do that, where they do two separate, you know, little trips. So they had Kathy Hilton's dinner party versus Augusta and.

[Tamara Judge]

Correct. But before that, we get to Bo's, goes to Dorit's house. Dorit texted PK and he never responded. The last she heard from PK was when he stormed out of therapy, demanding a divorce. Bose tells Dorit to be prepared if he serves papers. This scene is kind of a filler.

[Andy Cohen]

Every. Every scene with Dorit and Bose, they talk about what Dorit is going through. Nothing about Bose. It's always like, you know, Kyle's not warm to me.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, well, that's later on. But before we even get to that, we have Bose and her boyfriend Keely. Who? Bose. Listen, he's giving me.

[Andy Cohen]

He's giving me TJ vibes.

[Tamara Judge]

I can say that I am the queen of red flags. Like, if you were to go to my.

[Andy Cohen]

Why are you queen of red flags?

[Tamara Judge]

Like, I am a red. I am a walking red flag at this moment.

[Andy Cohen]

You know what?

[Tamara Judge]

So I don't know what about. Well, I mean, I. I'm just saying. I don't.

[Andy Cohen]

I mean, the fact that they have not even said I love you to each other, but they're talking about having kids to me, that's really kind of odd.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, you're not saying, I love you, and you're not.

[Andy Cohen]

How do you just jump from I love you to are you ready to have kids?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, how do you jump. Skip over I love you. Are you ready to have kids?

[Andy Cohen]

Right.

[Tamara Judge]

I do think it's one thing if you. When you first start dating somebody. Like, if I were to start dating someone tomorrow and it's not serious at all, and they were to ask me the question, would you have more kids and they were younger or whatever it was that I could probably understand asking that.

[Andy Cohen]

Yes. My. Actually, my son Ryan, he. Him and his girlfriend just broke up after a year because she wanted kids and he doesn't want anymore.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So I understand that conversation at the beginning of, like, dating somebody once you've already had kids, once you're getting more mature and age.

[Andy Cohen]

It's a very normal conversation to have with somebody. Like with me and Eddie, like, he's five years younger than me. So when we got together, I was already 42 or something like that, and we had the discussion, do you want to have kids? But we were already saying I love you and things like that and knew that we wanted to spend the rest of our life together.

[Tamara Judge]

So, yeah, I. I think you either can do it before any of that happens. It's like an initial conversation, like, this is a deal breaker for me if we're gonna go out on a second date or you have it once you're saying I love you and you're wanting to be together.

[Andy Cohen]

Did he actually answer the question? Does he want to have kids?

[Tamara Judge]

He didn't answer any questions. All he said was like, we're on the same page. And I'm like, you don't act. You just like.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, even when he said, like, I thank God every day, she's like, you do. He goes, even if I don't, I'd say it. I'm like, oh, why'd you say that?

[Tamara Judge]

I. I don't really get it. Also, I haven't. But I'm. I don't know. I don't really see that romantic connection between the two of them.

[Andy Cohen]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

It feels like a job interview to me.

[Andy Cohen]

Are they still together, do you know?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know.

[Andy Cohen]

I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't follow feeling.

[Andy Cohen]

I thought you knew everything. Beverly Hills girl.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I thought you had inside scoop. Who? No, I'm not asking Erica about Bose or Kyle about Bose and Keely. I don't. I'm not. I'm not in it like that anymore. Okay, then Kyle and Mauricio practice shooting guns. Kyle says she wants to be able to defend herself. And there's a break in. Kyle gets emotional, saying their house feels different now. Kyle said she is grieving the loss of someone who is still there.

[Andy Cohen]

I mean, I commend them from being able to shoot scenes together and still be around each other. You see on social media that, you know, they post together in Aspen and things like that. The scene really made me sad. I was. I am really rooting for them to get back together. And when I watched the scene, I mean, she seemed like he was hugging her and she was just kind of collapsed into herself, which made me think, like, she's got a little built up anger towards him. But I want them back together.

[Tamara Judge]

Before we get back into the Kyle Mauricio thing, Keely and Bose just posted something together. So I guess they are still together.

[Andy Cohen]

So I guess they figured it out.

[Tamara Judge]

And then in regards to Kyle Mauricio, I think it is. I mean, it's interesting to see the juxtaposition of what's going on with Dorit and PK versus Kyle and Mauricio.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And because, like, clearly, Kyle and Mauricio have been together for so long.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, I think that they have more respect for each other than PK and Dorit have right now. I know going through a divorce, there's lots of ups and downs. One time, one minute you might hate them, the next minute you're like, oh, maybe we should get back together. And the next time you're like, no. So, you know, there is a lot of emotions, and I think you're gonna.

[Tamara Judge]

Go through different level of grief. Like, sometimes. Sure, yeah. Sometimes everything feels great.

[Andy Cohen]

Sometimes you feel like committing a crime. So there's a lot of emotions.

[Tamara Judge]

There's a lot of emotions. But then we get back to Sutton, and Garcelle and Kyle arrive in Augusta. Sutton is nervous for them to meet her mother. She should be, because the way the mother handled getting the scarf from Garcelle made me.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, my God.

[Tamara Judge]

Really uncomfortable.

[Andy Cohen]

I'm like, oh, my God, oh, my God. The entire scene made me so uncomfortable. All the way from talking about kids being weird and the scarf and. Oh, and my thing is, like, okay, so she talks about Garcelle's son being weird. She's obviously never been around him. So she's just like. As if she watched the show. And she's like, yep, that kid's weird. And I'm like, none of her kids are weird. But also, they're adorable.

[Tamara Judge]

Reba, how would you describe yourself Weird. Yeah. Then while this is all happening, Kathy has bows to eat and Erica over for her Capri dinner, gave me a little bit of flowers.

[Andy Cohen]

Is it like the Capri room? Lots of lemons in the Capri room?

[Tamara Judge]

I would say it was maybe slightly above the Capri.

[Andy Cohen]

I love how Kathy's walking around like, you know, when I do things, I go all out and I'm like. She acts like she's hands on and everybody's scattering around like cockroach.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, my gosh. When the have the sage, the fresh sage or whatever it was, I was like, code red. Oh, no, it's a fresh sage. I don't even think I have sage in my home. But Dorit questions why Erica wasn't invited to Augusta. Similar to Tamara questioning that Sutton says she and Erica are push and pull and this trip is emotional. Kathy says a woman in Venice told her she is part Chinese. 3000 BC. The women are confused.

[Andy Cohen]

I mean, everybody just looked like, oh, my God. Did she really just say that?

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, two minutes later she called pkpj. At this point, I think everything is for shocked.

[Andy Cohen]

But what do you mean? Some woman off the street just says, oh, you're part Chinese from 3000 BC. And you're like, oh, thanks. I didn't know that, but I know now.

[Tamara Judge]

But also, that's not even something you could find out on 23andMe.

[Andy Cohen]

No, not from 3000 BC.

[Tamara Judge]

That's what I'm saying.

[Andy Cohen]

Let's break this down. When was 3,000 BC? 3,000 years before Christ. What was going on 3,000 years before Christ?

[Tamara Judge]

You weren't born yet.

[Andy Cohen]

Are you sure?

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, unless your facelift was that good. You weren't born yet.

[Andy Cohen]

But it was 5,000 years ago, so 20.

[Tamara Judge]

25 minus 5,025. That's older than us, Tam. Yeah. Then Sutton says she isn't like her mother and isn't sure.

[Andy Cohen]

Stop, stop.

[Tamara Judge]

And isn't sure if her mother has.

[Andy Cohen]

Right.

[Tamara Judge]

Sutton gets emotional thinking about her mother not being supportive of the opening of her store. I'm gonna sound like an asshole here.

[Andy Cohen]

Okay, go ahead. I love it when you're an asshole. No, I'm sorry. Do it. In this situation, I give you free reign to be an asshole.

[Tamara Judge]

I can't help it. But, like, I think about, like, my dad, who can be kind of an asshole, but. And I love you, dad. I mean, well, yeah, but like, dad, you're the most supportive human in the world. I call you for any advice I would ever have.

[Andy Cohen]

But he's proud of You.

[Tamara Judge]

And he's proud of me when I accomplish something fully on my own, like.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, you're saying you started that store because your husband's giving you. Ex husband giving you $300,000 a month. I mean, oh, by the way, if my ex husband was giving me $300,000 a month, I wouldn't be starting any store. I wouldn't need the headache.

[Tamara Judge]

I wouldn't be on Housewives. I wouldn't be starting any store.

[Andy Cohen]

I don't want to start a store. So I can maybe make 150,000 a year.

[Tamara Judge]

No, you're going to lose $150,000 a year. Like, storefronts. But I couldn't help. And maybe that's my own, like, issues with money, because I guess, you know what, if you've been together in a marriage for that long, supposedly your money is my money, and we created it together. I don't particularly believe in that. The store isn't even open anymore.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, I was just gonna ask.

[Tamara Judge]

Google says it's temporarily closed until filming season. Yeah, but I wanted to be like, okay, so you're mad that your mom has this way she feels about Christian, but Christian not only funds her life, probably still communicates with her, pays her daughter over $300,000 a month, has given her the opportunity to open this store.

[Andy Cohen]

Like, she should be praising Sutton for marrying this guy and divorcing him, because this woman's never had it so good.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I mean, the woman would probably have it better if she was in the front house, not the back house.

[Andy Cohen]

Right. I was shocked. I thought, for some strange reason, I assumed Sutton's mom was very wealthy. I don't know why. You know how you certain like you?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Andy Cohen]

You hear about somebody and you think, you know what they look like or whatever. You seem. You're like, oh, that's not what I expected. I assumed that Sutton grew up rich. I don't know why. No, when she's like, yeah, I'm in the back house, I'm like.

[Tamara Judge]

I was like, yeah, but that's. I mean, that's also another thing. Like it. Sutton doesn't live in Augusta, and she has her mom living in the back house.

[Andy Cohen]

Why?

[Tamara Judge]

If her mom lives in Augusta full.

[Andy Cohen]

Time for the big house or. By the way, why doesn't she just buy her a damn house?

[Tamara Judge]

Clearly, because she's not warm and fuzzy. Clear.

[Andy Cohen]

Because they hate each other.

[Tamara Judge]

They don't like each other.

[Andy Cohen]

I mean, I'm confused. Is Sutton's mom like. Does she not like her? Do you think she's envious of Sutton. Do you think that she's just mean? Do you think she's like old school angry? What is it?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I mean, according to Sutton, her mother is a narcissist. Then according to Sutton, her husband was also a narcissist. But I can say one thing, Sutton, you cannot say you're not like your mother and then introduce us to a woman who is exactly like you. But then Bose tells Kathy that she. This was a weird transition for me. Bose, I think, is such an incredible woman in general and so smart and so whatever. But Bo's telling Kathy that she thinks Kyle is cold. I'm like, you don't even know Kathy.

[Andy Cohen]

I know. And to say that to the sister and thank God I thought, oh shit, Kathy's going to say something that's not going to be nice towards Kyle and it's going to upset Kyle. But she didn't.

[Tamara Judge]

I didn't think she. I thought she did a very. She showed self restraint there. She didn't show self restraint in regards to getting the proper accoutrement for her lemon pasta, but she handled that.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah. Why does Bose have such a hard on for Kyle?

[Tamara Judge]

I think she has a hard on for Kyle because she wants to make sure that she's ride or die for Dorit.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

But I gotta say, I mean, I.

[Andy Cohen]

Feel like Bose is cold to Kyle, not the other way around.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think that Bose has given Kyle a chance.

[Andy Cohen]

True, true.

[Tamara Judge]

I know this.

[Andy Cohen]

Trying to make Dorit's issues with Kyle her own issues and they're not your issues. And I hate that for people. When you have a friend that doesn't like somebody, then you're not supposed to like that person. Yeah, it's very elementary.

[Tamara Judge]

Even when I really had issues with Vee, her name goes to Bea Unsaid. And you still liked Vee. I never asked you not to be friends with Vy.

[Andy Cohen]

No, no, I.

[Tamara Judge]

That's not. Or like give somebody a chance. Then Kathy asked if PK is a good father. This I was floored by. Kathy asked if PK is a good father and Dorit says no. It says PK wrote her a seven page email about finances custody and was filled with threats. Dorit says PK does not want to.

[Andy Cohen]

Be married to divorce.

[Tamara Judge]

Dorit says PK does not want to be married to her. Erica asks what she's waiting for. Erica says PK is trying to divorce Dorit before they hit 10 years because of the California law ensuring they would split everything evenly. Erica tells Dorit to Be proactive or PK will make the decisions for her. Dorit says she will go to war if she has to.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, you're about to go to war because after you said that on national tv, he is not gonna make things easy for you.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, he's already spoke out. Using her own life lessons to give brutally honest advice.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Love to see it.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, once you've gone through it, you know, whatever it is in life, you can give advice, sound advice to somebody like, you know, we've talked about divorce and what to expect and what could happen and things like that. I could also educate people on lawsuits, so if anybody needs any help.

[Tamara Judge]

But also, they haven't. I mean, my math isn't the best, but filming has been over for more than six months and they still haven't filed for divorce, so.

[Andy Cohen]

So the 10 years, baby.

[Tamara Judge]

So it's almost been 10 years. And also, I don't really know that the 10 years thing makes a bit of difference at this point if you're married. I thought it was only if you weren't married. You become somebody's life partner after 10 years.

[Andy Cohen]

I think. I absolutely think that is correct. And when I heard that, I'm like, I don't care. I don't think it's right. I think that if you're married, and I do believe the longer you're married, that might affect it somehow. But I might be wrong. I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. But I think maybe in California law, I mean, there's certain things that California law is different than other places. I mean, California is one of the only no fault states, but they have the common law.

[Andy Cohen]

And that's basically, if you've been together and not married and lived together for 10 years, then I think it's treated as you're a married couple and it's 50.

[Tamara Judge]

50. But it used to be.

[Andy Cohen]

I don't know if it still is.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't either. But what I can say is I just did a very public podcast talking about my relationship and divorce and all of those kinds of things. And I know that I would rather fall on a sword and poke my own eyes out before coming after Edwin the way that Dorit just did about pk because if she's truly saying that she wants to protect her children and that's why she didn't mention to them that they were separated.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Then this last scene is, well, I.

[Andy Cohen]

Don'T see PK keeping his mouth shut. So saying somebody is a bad father or a bad mother from the Parent is disgusting.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I think it's one thing to say our relationship is flawed and.

[Andy Cohen]

Or to say he's not really. He's not really hands on. He travels a lot. That's true.

[Tamara Judge]

He travels a lot. Like all of those things. But for to blatantly say not a good parent. I mean, if you've already told us an episode ago that your son saw on Instagram that they. You're. They were getting separated, for sure as damn hell he's going to read somewhere that his mother is calling the father a bad parent.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, well, we got some information. The ten year rule remain mainly replies to spousal support, alimony rather than property division. According to California family code, if the marriage is less than 10 years, spousal support is usually limited to half the length of the marriage. That's Google.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, well, none of this makes any difference to me because I have a.

[Andy Cohen]

It's kind of what we said.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. I mean, I have a prenup anyway, so that is neither here nor there. I feel like from what we've heard about PK and Jarid's finances, maybe that's not the primary concern at this point.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, if the. I mean, I've read. I don't know if it's true that the house has been in and out of foreclosure, so. Is that because he's not paying and she's supposed to pay?

[Tamara Judge]

I have no idea. All I know about them from the entire time that I've known them is they pay everything in cash. All I know about myself is I never have.

[Andy Cohen]

That's a big, giant red flag is.

[Tamara Judge]

I never have cash. Like I'm the asshole that goes to valet and never has cash. Do you take that?

[Andy Cohen]

I know I might do that.

[Tamara Judge]

And then whatever friend I'm with, I'm like, sorry, I'll venmo you. I don't have. Like, I never have cash.

[Andy Cohen]

I rarely have cash. Really?

[Tamara Judge]

Dove this morning asked me cash for the snack shack and I'm like, she needed $2. I'm like, I have $1 that I.

[Andy Cohen]

I might be able to scrounge coins. Yeah. Well, I do think that Erica being so blunt is exactly what Dorit needs.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I mean, I think. But I also, you know, I am gonna. Don't faint. I am gonna share some empathy towards Dorit here. I don't know that Dorit is ready to believe that PK doesn't want to be with her anymore.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And I.

[Andy Cohen]

When you look at the situation, PK doesn't want Dorit Well, I mean, I.

[Tamara Judge]

Think he very clearly said, you know, she's. She's changed. I think people do change in marriage, and I do think reality television can change people. And if they're beginning of their relationship, Dorit was all about PK and her life revolved around him, and now their life revolves solely around her.

[Andy Cohen]

Do you think the home invasion changed things or put pretty much the nail in the coffin for them?

[Tamara Judge]

No. I mean, yes, I would imagine him not being there afterwards, traveling added an additional level of stress for Dorit. But I think anytime a couple. And maybe I'm wrong here, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but anytime a couple expresses their love to such dramatics that PK and Dorit did, there's probably underlying issues.

[Andy Cohen]

Well, they say that some psychologists said that people that are constantly posting pictures of their relationship or their significant other social platforms. That's a red flag.

[Tamara Judge]

Can we also discuss one other thing?

[Andy Cohen]

What?

[Tamara Judge]

Why in God's name did Garcelle think it was going to be a good idea to talk to Sutton's mom?

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, my God. Next week's episode. What does her mom say? Mind your own business. So that's none of your business.

[Tamara Judge]

That, like, do you go here? Like, what?

[Andy Cohen]

I would love to sit down and talk to Reba. Me and her can go rounds, man.

[Tamara Judge]

Should we have Reba on the pod?

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, yeah. That would be a real party.

[Tamara Judge]

You know what? Reba might actually be nice to me. She might. Sutton might drive Reba crazy enough that Reba would enjoy my company.

[Andy Cohen]

Who was Reba's man? Was that her boyfriend?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know, because when I met Reba at Sutton's store opening years back.

[Andy Cohen]

Oh, you met Reba? I've met Reba holding on to that little nugget.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I mean, I met her for, like, one second. I was. I was busy fighting with Denise's husband. So, like, I didn't. I was.

[Andy Cohen]

By the way, did you see that they announced that Denise Richards new show is coming out? And we see in the promo that a few of the Beverly Hills girls make a little cameo.

[Tamara Judge]

Of course they do. It's the same production company.

[Andy Cohen]

And they got paid.

[Tamara Judge]

And they got paid. Shit.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah, well, we have a few fan thoughts. Sick of talking about Dorit and pk. Is anything happening besides Dorit and pk? Well, yeah, we had text. The texting getting boring. Filler episode. This was kind of a filler episode. I enjoyed it, though. I enjoyed it.

[Tamara Judge]

I. I mean, I don't know if enjoyed is the right word. But I was, I was mesmerized by some of the dynamics that were shown. Like, I needed to see this bows and keely. I needed to see Reba. I needed to see what was more.

[Andy Cohen]

Shocking to you, the bows and Keely scene or Reba?

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, Reba, I wouldn't say was shocking because, like, it's exactly what I would have expected.

[Andy Cohen]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, just the no filter and just saying whatever the you want in the moment, not thinking about how it may hurt the person around you. But yeah, either way, it may have been a filler episode, but I liked it. And I'm glad that we are out of time. So we cannot discuss watch what happens live from last night.

[Andy Cohen]

I didn't watch it.

[Tamara Judge]

Whew. All right, we'll just brush right over that. But we'll be back later this week, so talk soon.