All That Jass (RHOP Recap)

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod — "All That Jass" (RHOP Recap)

Hosts: Tamra Judge & Vicki Gunvalson
Episode Release: November 11, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively recap, Tamra Judge and Vicki Gunvalson dive deep into the latest dramatic episode of The Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP) Season 10. The pair discuss the show’s ongoing vacation storyline, dissect the interpersonal beefs among the Housewives, and weigh in on themes like accountability, authenticity, and what makes someone a true Housewife. Along the way, they draw parallels to their own experiences on reality TV, share candid behind-the-scenes revelations, and offer their signature sharp (yet friendly) commentary.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Navigating Social Media Hate & Mental Health

[03:35–07:55]

• Vicki shares a disturbing, hateful message she received via DM, referencing the serious impact of online bullying and the responsibility of social media companies and employers.
  • "Somebody wrote me a DM and it said, I truly hope you have consideration of killing yourself. Please do everyone a favor and never show up. And OC again. You've officially ruined the show..." – Vicki [03:40]
• Both hosts emphasize the real-life consequences of such hate and call for zero tolerance policies online.
  • "People can truly kill themselves." – Vicki [04:48]
  • "There needs to be like, a zero tolerance or some kind of rules to social media when it comes to people like this." – Vicki [06:45]
• The company involved reached out, apologized, and opened an internal investigation after Vicki’s public post.

2. Wearing Different “Reality” Hats & Audience Perception

[07:55–10:34]

• Vicki and Tamra discuss how fans’ perceptions are shaped by the show’s editing vs. real life, noting they often hear they’re nicer in person.
• Tamra recounts a recent event with Sonja Morgan where fans remarked how different she is face-to-face.
  • "If you meet Tamara Judge in person, she's nothing like what you see on the show." – Tamra [08:13]
• Both reflect on the toughness required to survive in reality television and the “sharp tongue” expected from Housewife personalities.

3. BravoCon, Reunions, & Industry Stressors

[09:22–12:14]

• Anticipation and anxiety around BravoCon are revealed, particularly for current cast members still airing, as heightened fan engagement and unresolved show drama make public appearances tense.
  • "It's a feeling of, I just want to get through this. I want to get through this." – Vicki [09:49]
• Conversation about cast dynamics: unfollowings on social media, rumors, and misunderstandings are shown to bleed from screen to real life.

4. Recapping RHOP S10E6: Vacation Clashes, ‘Shade’ Shots, and Group Dynamics

[18:16–28:26]

• The hosts break down the girls' vacation dinner and Giselle’s infamous “Giselle hater” shots.
  • "Giselle is the messiest housewife, one of the most messiest housewives... but in a good way." – Vicki [18:19]
  • "She runs that show, but she is always doing something to create drama." – Vicki [18:33]
• Miscommunication between Giselle and Karena: The difference between “not calling” after a fight vs. “not liking” someone, and how intention is everything in housewife feuds.
  • "She should have seen as the intention behind Giselle being not nice to me because she didn’t call and check on me, or was she going through something?" – Tamra [21:15]
• Giselle’s real-life struggles (her father's illness) are highlighted as overlooked during cast disputes.

5. Stacy Under Fire & the ‘No Reaction’ Strategy

[21:44–25:40]

• Stacy’s composure amidst attacks (jokes about her, being left out of group traditions) is noted as a powerful, if unusual, housewives strategy.
  • "They're waiting for her to break, and she is holding." – Tamra [23:27]
  • "She's making everyone look like mean girls. Yep. And she's making everyone look stupid." – Tamra [24:10]
• Andy Cohen’s support of Stacy is mentioned, citing her QVC video past as a fun highlight with fans.
• The hosts discuss how not reacting to “mean girl” tactics sometimes sways fan sympathy.

6. Housewives and the Lie Detector Test Drama

[26:07–27:37]

• Extended riff on the notoriety and credibility (or lack thereof) of lie detector tests within the franchise.
  • "Biggest joke, I know... lie detector tests, by the way, can be beat. So they're really not credible..." – Tamra [27:33]
  • Side conversations about the odd behind-the-scenes realities of TV and maintaining your reputation.

7. Group Divisions, Wedding and Cannabis Launch Excuses

[28:02–33:16]

• Stacy turning down bridesmaid duties for her cannabis line sparks debate over authenticity of friendships.
  • "She still could have been in the wedding. That was a excuse." – Tamra [32:16]
• Ay tensions regarding why Stacy didn't participate, concluding it’s more about closeness than business scheduling.
• Discussion of performativity and how show ‘returnees’ treat relationships differently.

8. Jazzy’s “Try-Hard” Energy and Authenticity Issues

[38:41–39:31]

• Vicki observes that newcomer Jazzy seems to be “trying way too hard” to secure her spot as a Housewife, leading to a feeling of inauthenticity.
  • "I feel like every line, reaction, moment she has, it's kind of like I'm securing my spot on the show." – Vicki [38:41]
  • "Fans don't love that. Matter of fact, that's one of their pet peeves, our Bravo friends." – Tamra [39:29]

9. Off-Camera Dramas Caught On Tape: Angel’s Vulnerability

[39:35–42:52]

• A conversation supposedly “off camera” reveals Angel’s unexpected sharpness when talking about a woman from her past.
  • "She's got a snaggle tooth, stringy haired, hot piece of trash. This is ugly." – Angel (as recounted by Vicki) [40:17]
• The hosts question whether Angel is as soft as she appears or simply less ready for the housewives world.

10. Sexuality Themes & Ashley’s Outspokenness

[43:54–45:09]

• Commentary on the group’s “slut party” and Ashley’s pronounced sexuality.
  • "I do not like public displays of affection and that kind of nonsense. I don't. There's a place for that behind closed doors." – Tamra [43:39]
  • "Ashley Darby, 90% of your conversation is about sex." – Tamra [44:21]

11. Group Ganging Up & Producers’ Hands

[46:19–49:49]

• Explores the accusation that Angel’s past was intentionally brought up on camera for drama.
  • "It was intentional. It was deliberate." – Tamra [47:54]
• The hosts debate when it’s respectful to handle personal matters privately (off camera vs. on camera)—and essentially conclude that to bring it up “with a mic on” is to bring it in front of the world.

12. Who Can Survive Housewives?

[50:21–52:15]

• Consensus that Angel, despite a supportive husband and happy life, likely isn’t cut out for the franchise’s environment.

13. Style Notes & Lighthearted Goodbyes

[52:15–53:08]

• Ends with beauty and hair extension mishaps—classic Housewife material—and anticipation for more RHOP chaos and the looming BravoCon.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Housewife Survival:
  • "I feel at home screaming, yell at me, and I'm like, yeah, let's go." – Vicki [51:37]
• On Fan Perception:
  • "If you meet Tamara Judge in person, she's nothing like what you see on the show." – Tamra [08:13]
• On Housewife Friendship:
  • "You find out who are your real friends and who are your TV friends." – Vicki [31:07]
• On Bringing Up the Past:
  • "There is GoPros in every golf cart. There is mics... You're being filmed. She knows that." – Vicki [45:19]

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Key Timestamps

• [03:35]: Vicki shares details of cyberbullying and its fallout
• [10:34]: Discussion of BravoCon anxiety
• [18:16]: RHOP recap begins: dinner, shots, and drama setup
• [21:44]: Stacy under fire, and how she handles the heat
• [26:07]: Lie detector test debate
• [32:38]: Jazzy invited Stacy to be a bridesmaid (and fallout)
• [38:41]: Hosts analyze Jazzy’s on-air performance
• [43:54]: Reactions to group “slut party” and Ashley’s persona
• [46:19]: Angel’s reputation drama, and how to handle personal issues on a reality show
• [50:21]: Angel’s future as a Housewife considered unlikely
• [52:15]: Lighthearted outro about extensions and preparing for more RHOP

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Episode Takeaways

• Vicki and Tamra provide a sharp-yet-sympathetic look at the darker and lighter sides of reality TV, both on and off camera.
• The Potomac cast’s evolving alliances, accusations, and strategies are given expert analysis—especially in how producers and cast can manipulate “storylines.”
• The real message: authenticity, boundaries, and kindness still matter, on the screen or off.
• Even in the chaos, there’s space for humor and camaraderie—plus a bit of savvy advice for current and future Housewives.

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For further RHOP chaos and real-world reality TV wisdom, tune in next week!

Transcript

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[Vicki Gunvalson]

You had much better day than I had a weekend, that's for sure.

[Tamra Judge]

What happened?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Well, you know, social media gets pretty hateful, right? And yeah, things. Well, somebody wrote me a DM and it said, I truly hope you have consideration of killing yourself. Please do everyone a favor and never show up. And OC again. You've officially ruined the show with your toxicity and your inability to take responsibility. And they went on to say just really nasty comments. They ended it with no one wants your ass on the show.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, that's the trash that talks like this.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

You've never taken responsibility for. Please, if you need me to make the knife sharper.

[Tamra Judge]

Was this like an actual account?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

An actual account. And I posted it on my social media because I think there has to be a time where people put their foot down that this is not okay. What if I. And let me just tell you, I wasn't having a good day when I got there. I was actually having some emotional issues with something that went down. People can truly kill themselves.

[Tamra Judge]

That's true. And it has happened.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

It. Yes.

[Tamra Judge]

More than once.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

You know what happened after I posted that?

[Tamra Judge]

What?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

People did a deep dive on this girl. And even my son Spencer, who was just disgusted by it. And it comes to find out that she works for a. She works in the mental health industry. She works for recovery center mental health in Colorado.

[Tamra Judge]

You're not the only person she's ever spoken to like that. And she needs to be taken out of her job.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Well, the. The company reached out to me several times and apologized. They actually made a public statement. I'm not going to say the name of the company. I'm sure you guys have seen what it says. Were appalled to learn about the message sent to Tamara, former judge on the Real Housewives of Orange county by an individual who appears to be connected to our. Our organization.

[Tamra Judge]

No. Employed by that organization.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah. I mean, they told me they're doing an internal investigation to see what's going on. And I. I mean, I'm. Usually when you get things like that, they're from a, you know, fake account.

[Tamra Judge]

There's. That's why I asked. Yeah.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

A kitten as their, you know, picture or something like that. Bravo has reached out to me. The authorities have reached out to me. Evidently, it's a new law that if you tell somebody to go kill themselves, it's. I don't know if it's a felony or what, but it's.

[Tamra Judge]

It should be. Yeah.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

It's not.

[Tamra Judge]

And it's been like that for a while. I don't know how new it is, because I remember a couple years ago, a few years back, that a girl told her boyfriend to go kill himself.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

They did a documentary about that. And he did.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes, and he did. And she got in trouble for that.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

As she got charged.

[Tamra Judge]

I don't know what the charges were, but I know that it was. Yeah.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I've been talking on the POD forever about there needs to be like, a zero tolerance or some kind of rules to social media when it comes to people like this, because there are a lot of nasty individuals out there that think that they can say whatever they want to if it's a child or, you know, a TV personality that they've never met. And it always gets me when someone says something like that and then goes on to tell me I'm. I'm a bad person on the show. I'll tell you one thing. What I do on the show is for entertainment. Entertainment. I would never in my entire life get on social media and DM somebody to tell them to kill themselves, to harm themselves, to, you know, to. I've had death.

[Tamra Judge]

People don't understand that.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

And how can you not like.

[Tamra Judge]

I mean, you know, a lot of people. What a lot of people say to all of us is that you. We look so much better off camera or to get to know you in person. You're so much nicer. And, you know. Yeah, a lot. I hear that about you all the time.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

All the time. I do, too, actually.

[Tamra Judge]

I don't know. I have brain fog out of. Rough morning. I had a nice morning. I mean. But. Yeah, somebody said that to me just recently. Oh, I did an event with Sonja Morgan.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

And in Chicago where we. We FaceTimed you. And that's what most of the people were saying. They Were all saying, like, if you meet Tamara Judge in person, she's nothing like what you see on the show.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I take my career in my jobs. Not.

[Tamra Judge]

Not career.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Because that's not.

[Tamra Judge]

You take everything. Serious things. But you. You are, by the, like, you're like, well, this is what. This is what I do, and this is whatever.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I mean, I am who I am. You know, I'm not making any excuses by any means. But, you know, I definitely have a sharp tongue. I always have, as do a lot of people on reality tv, I think.

[Tamra Judge]

All of us.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah. And I. I grew up.

[Tamra Judge]

Except Stacy.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah, I grew up. I'm the polar opposite from Stacy. I grew up with the whole mentality, like, oh, you don't look like today.

[Tamra Judge]

I've. I've heard your mom. Yeah, you've heard when she said that you look like you fell off your motorcycle when you got your CO2. Yeah.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

She's like, what happened to your face? Like you got an accident. Like, she's just. That's how I grew up.

[Tamra Judge]

My friend said, you look like you gotta. But, you know, that's what makes us survive in this world also, by the way. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not opposed to that being rough.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Speaking of Vivian, how are you feeling going into Bravo Con?

[Tamra Judge]

I'm excited. I have not one outfit at all, but I'm excited. I really am. It's a lot of work, Tamara, as you know.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I know. I started buying outfits and I still had, you know, here's the thing. For me, going to Bravo Con, it's. It's still a little bit stressful because when you come off of a show and you're still airing and then you have to go to Bravicon.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

The fans are heightened because of the fact that your show is still. Still going on. And then we have, you know, two more. Well, I think Thursday night, Reunion Part two airs, and then, you know, thank God Reunion three doesn't air until we're done, because that one is very explosive. But it's just a. It's a feeling of, I just want to get through this. I want to get through this.

[Tamra Judge]

Like the reunion.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, we. January, we started filming, and then we started doing press, and then we did the Reunion, you know, and. And now Bravo Con. It's just like, I want to breathe. I just want to breathe a little bit and not think about housewives. So we're in Big Bear right now, relaxing.

[Tamra Judge]

I could tell.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Dry. Drying my skin out. So dry up here. Anybody Nervous. Anybody that you're nervous to see?

[Tamra Judge]

No, I. I've thought about it because, you know, I've had my opinions on this pod.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

And I'm like, I wonder who, you know, if there's anyone who's upset with me or anyone who's going to say anything, but I'm ready for it because I own everything I say.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah. Yeah. I know that Wendy was upset with me because she unfollowed me. And that was because I talked about, you know, somebody DMing me, one of her neighbors. And, you know, allegedly. We don't know what has gone down. We don't know what's happening with her until we know what's happening with her. Until, you know, innocent, until proving guilty. I don't dislike her by any means or think anything less of her. So sorry if I upset you, but.

[Tamra Judge]

What typically happens, because I've never been on a podcast before this, so when they see us, they're gonna, like, some people are mad.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

It's fine. No, I'm sure, like, most people in this industry know, like, it's not like we sit here and say hateful things about people. We're not, like, trash talking.

[Tamra Judge]

Do we talk about what's on on the show?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yes, we're recapping what's on the show. And that's when I laugh. People go, you're a blogger. You're no different. You talk about people. I'm not talking about people. We are talking about what happens if we disagree with somebody. We're going to disagree with what they did. Okay. When Teddy and Erica do the podcast, I don't want to listen. I don't want to know. Because if I do something stupid, Teddy's going to disagree with me. And that's okay to call me out. And I don't care.

[Tamra Judge]

I don't care.

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[Tamra Judge]

Like a long vacation.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I know, right?

[Tamra Judge]

Doesn't it?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah, and it's only like, episode. I don't know. It just seems like it's very long. So Giselle hands out shots. She gives K her shot called Giselle hater. Now, Giselle is the. The messiest housewife, one of the most messiest housewives.

[Tamra Judge]

Gonna come for you now.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I know, but in a good way. I mean, she runs that show, but she is always doing something to create drama. You know, she.

[Tamra Judge]

She's now the grand.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

She should get a raise is what she should get. I don't know what she's making, but she should get a raise because she is running that show like nobody's business. So Kirana's shot said Giselle hater. Because Wendy told Giselle that Kiana doesn't like her.

[Tamra Judge]

But that. But Karen, I wants to kind of. She wants to explain. She just felt that. I don't know if she said she doesn't like her. I've never seen Kiarna act like she didn't like Giselle to her face. What I think it more was that she said after the incident, the big fight, that she didn't call me. Yeah, but understandably so.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I think that's a lot different than saying I don't like her or.

[Tamra Judge]

Right. Yeah, right. I didn't. I didn't see the. I don't like you as much as I saw. I'm not happy with her.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Did you hear. Did you hear Giselle pipe in? And I quote, she says I was a champion of K when even Greg didn't like her.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Yeah. Because Giselle was very, very surprised to hear that. Now we've all been there where all of a sudden somebody's mad at us and we didn't know it because they had to say it behind our back and onto our face.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah. Don't talk me about this season. Was exactly that.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm all.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

What I'm saying, like, if I start right now, even getting those words out, because if you're mad at me, like, tell me to my face, like, don't. That's the one thing that I can't stand. Don't talk shit behind me back. Don't go to the friends and tell.

[Tamra Judge]

But yeah, so it was all in presentation as well, saying, I don't. She doesn't like you. Right, Right. But to her, for her, if she would have presented it as she. She's not happy with you or something's not sitting right with her. That's different. But she should have heard it from Kiarna. Yeah, that's the problem I have with that.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I agree.

[Tamra Judge]

I don't have a problem with her being upset with her. But listen, is there a more valid excuse than what Giselle has? No. No, there's not. Her father was sick. It's not all about us. And, you know, everybody thinks that the show is all we have in our lives when we're filming.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

It's not all it is point.

[Tamra Judge]

When we get home, you don't know what somebody.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

That's when real life happens.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

When we get home, we have to deal with family issues, house stuff, you know, husband's kids, you know, and taxes, bills, all that stuff.

[Tamra Judge]

Real problems and everything else.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

And then also jobs. Some of us still have jobs.

[Tamra Judge]

That's true.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Right?

[Tamra Judge]

That's true. But I always say, like, what's the intention behind what somebody does? She should have seen as the intention behind Giselle being not nice to me because she didn't call and check on me, or was she going through something? Clearly it was. She was going through something. But how about look at all the other things Giselle did for you, not what Giselle didn't do for you, Kiara. Yeah, that's where I have my problems.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Right, Right.

[Tamra Judge]

Because I always look at what somebody did for me, not what they didn't do for me.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Now the girls are back at the house. Stacy talks about being separated from Tiamo. Stacy says she's never slept with anyone, including Chris. And then is this.

[Tamra Judge]

No one believed that.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Was this off?

[Tamra Judge]

Yes.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

They were like, they weren't miked right when they were miked, but there was like a camera on the wall or something. They must have.

[Tamra Judge]

Now, we know on our trips those cameras are audio.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Huh?

[Tamra Judge]

Huh.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Now, Ashley says Stacy's line about not having sex with Chris. How does Ashley know? Why does she care? She could assess it, could sleep with whoever she wants. I mean, I don't understand why Ashley has her foot on Stacy's throat like this.

[Tamra Judge]

Everybody has their foot on Stacy's throat. I mean, even when the. This shady shots came out, everybody had like. It was a kind of a. Like a. A shade, but they were okay with it.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I'm actually getting sick and tired of this. No name Stacy. I'm not going to give you a name. I'm not going to put on your robe. I'm not going to put it on your towel. I'm not nice. I'm not going to. I'm going to give you a shot with nothing on it.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm sorry, but that's really me. It is trying to have less in it. And you know what? Stacy doesn't come back she's like, listen, you're not going to break me. I'm not.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I know I'm not.

[Tamra Judge]

I would have said, take your shot glass and I'll help it if I smash it in your teeth.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

See, you are shy. You are shy.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, no, I'm shy, but I'm just kidding. I'm not shy about those type of things. That's what I would have said. Oh, geez. My shot glass doesn't have a lot in it. How's that?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah, I see. I wouldn't sit there like Stacy, but like I said earlier, I mean, Stacy, we know you. I would not. I would not. We know somebody would have got water shot whatever was in there in their face. Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

But they're waiting for her to break, and she is holding.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

She's not breaking. She is not breaking. Now, Stacy, if she slept with Chris or not is none of nobody's goddamn.

[Tamra Judge]

I'm married.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

It's not Ashley's business.

[Tamra Judge]

How was she now? Why is he there?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

But she and Monique have never met and are not friends, period.

[Tamra Judge]

End of story there.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

End of story. You know, it's just weird. I feel like Ashton Giselle are trying to pick a fight with Stacy. I think they want to activate her because she doesn't get activated.

[Tamra Judge]

So let. But you know what Stacy's doing by not getting activated? She's making everyone look like mean girls. Yep. And she's making everyone look stupid.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yep.

[Tamra Judge]

You know, it's easy to pick on the person that people don't really like. Now, how are the fans towards Stacy? Because I've never really seen that part.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I think the fans love her. Andy Cohen, in fact, is one of her biggest fans. And he's always on his show. Watch what happens live, talking about how great Stacy is. Last night he was talking.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

He was talking about how he can't get enough of her old QVC videos that have been resurfacing lately.

[Tamra Judge]

She's winning.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah, she's.

[Tamra Judge]

Hey, guys.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

You know, you might.

[Tamra Judge]

They're so good.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

This is a lot like Katie on Orange County. So many of us went after her right on the cast.

[Tamra Judge]

That's true.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

And even though whatever she did, if she was lying or not lying or whatever you want to call it, everybody sided with her because of the fact she. She didn't fight back like that.

[Tamra Judge]

Yes. And that's how things happen. So if you are capable of sitting back and getting your due from not going after someone and making them. It's almost like a psychological play, but it's not an easy Thing to do.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

You know what I mean?

[Tamra Judge]

Like, you could be sensible. And now Stacy. Nobody's mad at Stacy for not reacting. Like, in the housewife world, it's all about reaction. Do your job. You're boring. But she's winning because now, and she does acting right, she's just like, it's not my style.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Her reaction is a reaction, but not the reaction. And the lack of housewives. It's kind of like she always has something to say, but it's like, you're not going to get me.

[Tamra Judge]

She's like, okay, you're not. I. But. But there was no drink in her shot.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I was like, I didn't notice that.

[Tamra Judge]

There's your no name and there's, like, nothing. The one she spilled on herself.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

See, that's kind of. That's kind of me.

[Tamra Judge]

And you're making yourselves look bad.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I think anytime. And I learned the lesson this year is jumping on board when. Kind of like when everybody went after Katie and believing that this lie detector test was accurate and real and.

[Tamra Judge]

Biggest.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Joke, I know I've never done a lie detector test. So at the moment, I was, like, really heated. And then once I found out, like, Katie had sent me, like, like, information on the guy they gave it to you, then I was like, oh, like I should have.

[Tamra Judge]

You know that when you take a lie detector test, that it is recorded. Not like recorded like where they play it back, but it's like in files that you took a lot, that you took one. So don't ever ask me to take one. Believe me or not, I do not care.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I was told like, the police department or something keeps a file.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, it's like, it's. It's on record.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

On record.

[Tamra Judge]

So if someone does a background check on you, a legitimate lie detector thing will be on your record.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Tamra Judge]

Everybody who wants to do that, that's what I've been told.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Well, any housewife, they bring this. I don't think they'll ever do this again. Just say no, because it will be on record for the rest of your life.

[Tamra Judge]

That's what I was told by my brother. I don't know if that's true, but that's what. That's enough for me. Number one. And you know what? Don't question me. And number two, lie detector tests, by the way, can be beat. So they're really not credible, especially if.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

You'Re a pathological liar or if you clench your butthole. I heard.

[Tamra Judge]

Okay, well, I clench my butthole all the time, so. I'm just gonna tell you, like, if I see somebody, like when I saw Angie get her finger caught in the door last week, my butthole clench. But like, things like that, you know.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Oh, my God.

[Tamra Judge]

So I'm just saying, like, take your lies and talk to test. Shove it. But getting back to here, I just think that, like, Stacy's winning.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

She is. So the girls are on the yacht. Karena tells Giselle that she never said she didn't like Giselle, but was upset with her. Okay. There's a difference there. Everybody, everybody has a monogram towel except for Stacy. So Giselle's making sure that there'll be no monogram anything for Stacy. I feel like the couch at the reunion is going to be monogrammed. I see that coming. Oh, good.

[Tamra Judge]

Good call. Yeah.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Giselle says that she didn't call K after the fight at Gna now room. This was like a few years ago, right? This whole fight happened a couple years ago. So there was a fight. That's when they. Was it. When she threw the glass and it hit her in the head and.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, yeah, that whole thing.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Okay.

[Tamra Judge]

Stitches were involved. Stitches.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Like a good, good amount too. Yeah, good amount.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

So Giselle says she didn't call Karena after the fight because she was focusing on her dad who had a brain tumor and died shortly after that.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. I mean, maybe. Did you call. Did you call Giselle when that happened? And did you actually realize, I mean, you all knew that her dad had passed. I'm sure it was public knowledge. Maybe think back in your head around the time that that happened. She didn't call you what was going on in her life?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah. You know, Tia made a. An excellent, you know, little speech there and she said, listen, I've lost my dad too, and don't expect anything from Giselle for years. It's very hard to lose a parent when you are so close to them.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

So.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, my God. I. The fact that she wouldn't even imagine.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

And think that, you know, to see her father pass away from brain cancer and all that stuff that anybody would think they owed Giselle owed them anything. You're. You are a selfish.

[Tamra Judge]

Be embarrassed. Be embarrassed that you expected something from her at that time. You know, what everyone else called you. Wasn't that enough?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

But why is Wendy. Wendy's the one that actually brought this up. She's stirring up two year old drama between K and Giselle. It's already been hashed out, so it was just kind of. It was windy. I believe that was Just kind of stirring the pot.

[Tamra Judge]

She just brought it up out of nowhere, like Angie does sometimes.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I mean, shouldn't Giselle be mad at Wendy instead for bringing this up?

[Tamra Judge]

No, I don't think so. I don't think so. But she should also just. I just think that Kiarna should be mad at Wendy, not Giselle.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

The girls go to lunch. Jazzy asked Stacy to be a bridesmaid, but she declined because of her marijuana line that she was launching. Now, this was a while back that wasn't obviously that night. So Stacy had to come up with something quick. So she's like, oh, shit. I think she. What the girls are saying is Stacy didn't think that Jazzy was going to be back. So why, you know, say, oh, yeah, I'm going to be in your wedding and all this stuff if this girl ain't going to be back? And that's when you find out who are your real friends and who are your TV friends.

[Tamra Judge]

Right, right, right, right, right.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

So I don't know if that's.

[Tamra Judge]

Does Stacy have any friends really on here?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Jazzy, I guess. But her marijuana line launch was more important.

[Tamra Judge]

President, you know, what launch was she launching it on that day? I mean, you opened up a dispensary.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Well, we have a. We have a line. We have dispensary, but we have a, you know, a line. There's almost six.

[Tamra Judge]

You've opened up a business. You can pick which day you' thing on.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah, I gotta believe this is probably an online business. I don't think she's opening up her own dispensary. I don't know. Maybe she is. It's very, very expensive. But I don't know. I don't know much about this. When you say marijuana, cannabis, all that, there's a lot of different things that she could be selling. I don't know if. Is it gummies? Is it marijuana? Is it hemp? Is it cbd? Like, you know.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, you know, the best.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah. So, I mean, I. I think you can have your launch party any, anytime. And I gotta believe 1000% she's putting her name on this.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Everybody else is doing the rest of the work.

[Tamra Judge]

Right. However. Yeah, it's a very involved however. I'll tell you this. She still could have been in the wedding. That was a excuse.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah. Giselle says that Stacy is only going to Jazzy's wedding now because she's back on the show. She said back in their group, but she meant back on the show.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, I'm glad Jazzy's not upset with the decline.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Well, if you remember, Stacy did apologize, Jesse, a few episodes ago for not being a good friend to her. So maybe that's what she was talking about.

[Tamra Judge]

Maybe.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. Well, whatever. I'd be pretty embarrassed if someone. If I asked somebody to be in the wedding, they said no for a stupid reason.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I know. I mean, especially since weddings are so booked so far out. Like, and it's like you can pick and choose when you want to do your launch of your canvas business.

[Tamra Judge]

It's safe to say she didn't feel close enough to her to be in the wedding.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

And maybe that, you know, maybe you should.

[Tamra Judge]

Stacy should work on getting close with some friends.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah, Might help. Well, Tia, who I absolutely love, says that she was trying to help with the Photoshop situation, but Jazzy was making it worse. Jazzy mocks Tia's accent and mentions how Tia was saying that Mr. Sunshine, like, jazzy. Jazzy thought that was disrespectful to say 14 days before a wedding. It's basically she was saying some guy had the hots for her and, you know, and she's like, there's no competition between my fiance and who? Anybody else. I'm pretty sure it's not that deep.

[Tamra Judge]

No, it's not that. Calm down.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I mean, 14 days before you're winning, if I said you, oh, that guy's got the hots for you, you're like, yeah, I still got it.

[Tamra Judge]

I still got it. Yeah, like, calm down. Stop. Then she's got to look for attention from him and say, somebody's hot for me. Before all the algorithm fed blah and.

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[Vicki Gunvalson]

Okay, so I'm starting to feel like Jazzy's trying way too hard. I feel like every line, reaction, moment she has, it's kind of like I'm securing my spot on the show.

[Tamra Judge]

I can see that. And I. And I agree. So I don't really think we got to know her yet. I don't know who she really is. The dory's out. I think it's very performative.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Tia thinks she knows her because she told her you have anger issues.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, yeah. So I think Tia is right about that. But I. I also think that I don't. We don't really get to know when you're trying to be a housewife. It doesn't work for me.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Well, the cameras never lie. And when you're trying too hard, it comes off as desperate.

[Tamra Judge]

Fans don't love that.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

They don't like that.

[Tamra Judge]

A matter of fact, that's one of their pet peeves, our Bravo friends.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yep. Well, while the cameras were off, I found this very interesting. Angel and Jazzy talk about someone who. We have no idea who she is, but Wendy thinks is threatening angel and her family. So Wendy's overhearing Angel and Jazzy talk now, angel, she was talking. A girl that. We've never heard her talk like this before. She's been very soft spoken. She gets her feelings hurt very easy. But this. This situation, clearly she's not happy with. Now angel says she's got a snaggle tooth, stringy haired, hot piece of trash. This is ugly. I'm shocked. Angel is talking about another person's looks the way she is right now because she was offended by, you know, which is out with a fast to her. Yeah, but this is like, you could tell this is something she.

[Tamra Judge]

It's.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

It's a sore subject with her. And then we find out it's something that happened year. A decade ago. A decade ago.

[Tamra Judge]

But it's like in the words of Margaret, Joseph's hit a nerve.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Hit a nerve, hit a nerve.

[Tamra Judge]

And by the way saying that that's not face tuned is really wrong.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

That hit the nerve too.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

But that they should use Face App.

[Tamra Judge]

Okay. No, I didn't use facetune. I didn't use Facebook. No. It was like face.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Face app. Go to my stories. Right now. I'm actually doing a sponsor with Face App. I love them.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, my God. Love them.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

It's like you can actually make yourself look like yourself with just like cleaning yourself up, you know, that's.

[Tamra Judge]

There's your.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

You don't want that wrinkle. You need a little bit of light, you know?

[Tamra Judge]

You know, I don't want it for real, though. I really don't want it.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

All you influencers or whoever does lots of video. Do you know that they have a video app that. That a lot of people don't know that. So you can literally talk in a video and you can hit the app to make yourself look just a little bit better.

[Tamra Judge]

The Hollywood.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah. Yeah. In video form, not just for still pictures.

[Tamra Judge]

I know.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

It's pretty cool. So anyways, back to this conversation. Now she's really going in about this. That's ugly. And she's got a snack tooth, which now I could see myself saying that Angel's somebody that. I didn't think that had it in her. Do you think maybe after hearing this, just maybe angel is maybe a different person off camera? Or do you think we all have that in us?

[Tamra Judge]

I think we all have it in us, really. But I think angel has to get used to what she's doing here. I think she's.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I don't think angel will be back.

[Tamra Judge]

No.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I think this show's too much for her. I think she gets some people.

[Tamra Judge]

It is too much for.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yep. And no disrespect to her. If she is back, great. If she's not, I think it will be her decision. I think that the show is hard on her. She feels like she's getting ganged up on and Girl.

[Tamra Judge]

Girl. I don't know what Being ganged up.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I know, but. No.

[Tamra Judge]

Right.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Watch the reunion, episode three. Yeah. I. I just don't think sometimes it's just not for you.

[Tamra Judge]

It's not for everyone. I don't feel like angel needs to do it. Yeah. Does she really need to do it? If it's too much for you, then take a break.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah. Take a break now.

[Tamra Judge]

Don't do it.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

The girls have a slut party. And it's. I mean, and this is why we love Stacy so much. She comes out in Oktoberfest costume Similar. Similar to the one I wore a couple weeks ago here in Big Bear at the Oktoberfest. So it cute. I thought about wearing it today, but. And, yeah, but now.

[Tamra Judge]

But no, we both. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah, we both got aviation.

[Tamra Judge]

We should get these for free. I mean, come on. I know.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

So that's her slutty costume. I'm dying. All the girls give Jazzy a lap dance. And as I'm watching this, and as I'm watching Ashley lick her neck and be all sexual, I'm thinking, Dolores is grossed out right now as I'm watching it.

[Tamra Judge]

So grossed out.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I knew it. I knew it.

[Tamra Judge]

I do not like public displays of affection and that kind of nonsense. I don't. There's a place for that behind closed doors.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I knew as I'm watching it go, Dolores, her butthole is clenched. She is rolling. She is shaking her head. She's like, what are we watching?

[Tamra Judge]

It's not okay. And it's not because it's too. Girl. I don't want to see two people kiss in front of me unless I'm alone.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

It's a pretty sexual. Whatever she was licking off of her chest all the way up her neck. Ashley is very. A very sexual person. So, yeah, Ashley.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. That's all she talks about. I want to say, Ashley Darby, 90% of your conversation is about sex.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah, the one.

[Tamra Judge]

The one. The most cringe thing. Ashley, I love you. You're a very sweet girl and very pretty. But you said, but I am in my femininity. And then you were, like, kissing a guy and told him, like, you had your period or something like on that show. That's another thing. I haven't had my period in so long. It's that I would never thank God. Right.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Either have I?

[Tamra Judge]

Listen, I actually had a procedure to get rid of it.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I did, too.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. But, Ashley, I would never tell a man that. I wouldn't say those type of things. I have my.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Someone you don't know.

[Tamra Judge]

You didn't know the guy. You didn't know him.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

She's very open, that's for sure.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, very open. But they had that type of relationship when she was married. Yeah. Ashley. Yeah.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

From what we hear, angel says Jazzy's crime is having a big mouth and reveals that somebody messaged Jazzy about Angel having a reputation of being rude and nasty to somebody. To somebody. Now, I think that Jazzy knew exactly what she was doing. She knows that they're in the middle of filming. It's not like they were. I mean, they were on a trip. It's not like they were, you know, done filming or prior to filming or, you know, not filming that day. And she called her on the phone and said, hey, somebody's, you know. No, she knew what she was doing. I'm sorry. Even though the cameras and the mics weren't completely on them or they thought they weren't filming. You're always filming. There is GoPros in every golf cart. There is mics to those, like, you're. You're being filmed. She knows that. So angel gives the Context of. In 2016, a young woman said angel had stolen money from Bobby's account and had birth control and hid her birth control so she. She could get pregnant with Bobby without his Welch. Now, Angels says girls do that. And we. Yeah, and Angel's saying it's absolutely not true.

[Tamra Judge]

And I have to believe her if she says it's not true.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Well, not only did she say that, but she told Bobby's agent that. So it became a big deal, because these agents for these professionals, they have.

[Tamra Judge]

To be a very.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

They are like handlers. They're everything. They're handlers. They're like bodyguards. They're looking after everything. Money situations, dating situations.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, they don't keep a good enough high. Yeah. You actually have to be with them 24 7, and then you still can't stop them from a lot of them. Everything up.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Do we know. Did angel have a child with Bobby before they got married? Is that where this is coming from? Like, was she. Like, how. How would this strange woman know that she's no longer taking her birth control and she's stealing money? Like, this woman sounds like a nut job to me.

[Tamra Judge]

It sounds like a friend that went rogue.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah, it could have been.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, that sounds like a rogue friend. She knows some details, exaggerates on them.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Now, this is where I disagree with the girls. They tell Jazzy that they respect how she went about the situation. They are confused as to why Angel's upset with Jazzy as she brought everything up without cameras there. It wasn't without cameras. It's on the show, Guys, this is probably something angel did not want on the show. It was in 2016. Jazzy knew exactly what she was doing. Wendy over. We saw footage of them sitting there talking about it. We saw Wendy listening in.

[Tamra Judge]

It was intentional. It was deliberate.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

That was not private. That was not private.

[Tamra Judge]

No, it was not. And by now, there. It doesn't take long. There's a lot of things on the show you can make mistakes as a. As a new housewife, but nobody here was making a mistake. It was absolutely deliberate and intentional.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah. So what the girls were actually praising Jazzy for was not bringing it up in front of everybody. Well, you know how it works. Once you bring it up to somebody, it's going to spread to everybody.

[Tamra Judge]

So you only brought it up in front of about 500, 000 people. But it's not the group, so it's okay.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

No, but it's okay.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah. No, right, exactly. You wanna. If you're bringing it up in, you know, anywhere near, you know, if you. If you got a mic on. If you got a mic on and there's a camera in the room, you're bringing it in front of the group. Yes. You are going to be brought up and repeated. That is protocol.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

See, if I was there, I would have said, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry. I'm not going to give her credit for not bringing up in front of the group, because here we are talking about it as a group. So how can you say, oh, yeah, how about not bring it up at all? Or call her when they get home? And there's. There's no cameras that day or anything.

[Tamra Judge]

That's. That's what.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

You do that when you do that. I've done that for people on our cast. I have gotten sent information and I send it to them directly and say, just want to let you know, somebody from your past is sending me this stuff. So it is possible to do. But she did not do it. Now I'm starting to feel bad for Angel. She's out of there. She doesn't want anything to do with this anymore.

[Tamra Judge]

No.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Her angel wing one is bent and all crooked. He's like, out there. I'm talking to Bobby. I'm talking to Bobby.

[Tamra Judge]

Just. Bobby seems very supportive.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

He does.

[Tamra Judge]

He seems very sweet.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I mean, every lover, it looks like it. He's cooking for her. He's telling her he loves her. Every scene she's in, I feel like she's on edge and on the defense all the time. I just. Like I said, I don't know if it doesn't get better for her, I don't see her wanting to come back.

[Tamra Judge]

It looks like she's got Bobby and he loves her. What does she need?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

She's got an amazing life.

[Tamra Judge]

She's got an amazing life. I don't think that girl's got it. Maybe that's why she can't handle it because things are too good. You know, when things suck you get used to things sucking. Maybe things have been too good for her for too long, and it softened her.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah, maybe.

[Tamra Judge]

Because I don't think she's cut out for it.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I don't at this point. I don't think she's cut out for.

[Tamra Judge]

It because things are too easy. You got a good man at home.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

You need to be a little bit more life. You got to be.

[Tamra Judge]

Got no problems over there, no situations.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

And I'm not saying that we don't need that on housewives, because what makes housewives so good is that there's different Diversity. Diversity. You know, we. Heather to Rose, much like that, she's very. Doesn't like conflict. She doesn't want to talk about certain situations. Like, you know what I mean? Like, she. It makes her nervous. So, you know. And then there's me that has a big mouth to say Mary, too.

[Tamra Judge]

Mary does not like the conflict. Mary Cosby, Yeah. She's like, I get very triggered. I had a hard life. Had a rough life growing up, and people yelling at what in front of me, like, that make me very. Or people that upset make me nervous.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Make her nervous.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, I understand that. Yeah. However, I'm the opposite. I feel at home.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I feel at home screaming, yell at me, and I'm like, yeah, let's go.

[Tamra Judge]

And I'm not gonna think about it when I leave that scene. Sometimes I. I'll apologize. Sometimes I won't. And life moves on. I sleep very well at night. It's like a release.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I think we would do. We would do very well in Salt Lake City, the two of us.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, I think so. I definitely think so. I actually had my extensions cut to be more blended after I saw Heather Gay's back of her head.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Oh, really?

[Tamra Judge]

I like to blend her extensions.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I'll have to check that out. I love the thing with extensions. You have to layer them. You have to layer them, or it looks so fake.

[Tamra Judge]

Well, that's when she went to check on Angie in the room after the big fight on the deck.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

You ran to the salon and go fix the back of my head.

[Tamra Judge]

Oh, no, I think that looks like that. I brought the picture. You know how you bring a picture with, like, what you want something to look like? It's what I don't want it to look.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I don't want it to look like. I think that all of us that have worn extensions, if they're, you know, sewn in ones or clipped in ones, we've all had a moment where the wind blows or something, and there's the track.

[Tamra Judge]

A track. I had tape ins sticking out the diagonally like this.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Like out of the sides, the corner of it.

[Tamra Judge]

It's never fun to watch that back, but hey, it is what it is.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah.

[Tamra Judge]

How many more episodes do we have of Potomac?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Well, I would assume they're probably going to do 17 and we're on six, so we have about 11 more. Okay, 11 more, I'm assuming. I don't know.

[Tamra Judge]

I can't wait to see you, Tam. And everything.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I know, I know. I can't wait to see a lot of people at BravoCon. I think a lot of people.

[Tamra Judge]

Yeah, I think everybody can't wait to see you too.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

We'll see. Okay, guys.

[Tamra Judge]

All right.

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