Angel’s Hate Train (RHOP Recap)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: Angel’s Hate Train (RHOP Recap)

Release Date: January 12, 2026
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge sit down to rehash "The Real Housewives of Potomac" Season 8, Episode 14. The duo dives into the group dynamics, controversies, and standout moments from the episode, with their trademark inside perspective and cheeky tone. While the Potomac episode felt a bit like a filler to the hosts, there's plenty of juicy conversation about Angel’s fraught relationship with the rest of the cast, marital rumors, trip logistics, and some Bravo-wide headlines. As always, listeners get unfiltered housewives commentary—as only actual Housewives can deliver.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Housewives Headlines & Bravo News

Starts ~[06:40]

• Katie Leaving OC:

  • Tamra and Teddi discuss Katie’s classy statement about her departure from Real Housewives of Orange County and the subtle shade in her final line.
  • Quote:
    Teddi: “This chapter may be closing, but my voice and my story don’t end here.” ([07:37])
    Tamra: “You took it as a threat.”
    Teddi: “I’d be scared. Yes, I’m taking that as a threat because Katie’s not one to not say things, as we know.” ([07:52])

• Jen Shah & Celebrity Fans:

  • Coverage of Emma Stone and Jennifer Lawrence admitting their Bravo obsessions.
  • Quote:
    Tamra (on Emma Stone): “She waited... outside in the freezing weather to see Jen Shaw during her 2023 sentencing.” ([08:27])
    Teddi: “If it took Emma Stone to have to go to the courthouse to see me getting sent off to jail for a couple years to wait for me, I would rather not.” ([09:34])
  • Tamra jokes about being talked about by Jennifer Lawrence:
    “At least Jennifer Lawrence knows who I am and she’s talking about me and that’s really all that matters.” ([09:07])

• Gigi & Jax Taylor Hookup Confession:

  • Teddi and Tamra have a hilarious exchange about Gigi’s “shameful” hookup with Jax post-Stassi break-up.
  • Quote:
    Teddi: “You hooked up with him when he didn’t have a bed. It was on the floor!... At this age, on a mattress on the floor—it’s not happening.” ([10:33])

• Bravo Production Updates:

  • Brief mentions of RHONY and RHONJ prepping for filming, and excitement about cast shifts.

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2. Potomac Episode 14 Recap ("Angel’s Hate Train")

Potomac segment starts ~[19:54]

A. General Impressions

• Teddi and Tamra agree the episode was “kind of a filler” but still full of important dynamics. ([20:06])

B. The $14,000 Rental Rumor

• Wendy accuses Angel of only wanting to pay $1,000/month rent, which both hosts call out as totally unrealistic.
  • Quote:
    Tamra: “There’s nowhere to live for a thousand dollars. Nowhere.” ([20:33])
    Teddi: “It’s an absolute blatant lie.”
  • They debate real estate agent ethics and reference similar Bravo situations on other cities ([20:56]).

C. The Group’s Treatment of Angel

• Angel is isolated and under constant scrutiny from the women, especially Giselle.
  • Quote:
    Tamra: "Giselle is so hard, like she can't even try to say something nice to her." ([22:32]) Teddi: “It’s kind of like they’re pouncing on her. But she’s gotta be able to hold her own.”
• Teddi and Tamra discuss how Angel’s more reserved, “classy” approach isn’t working in this group:
  Teddi: “If she thinks that she’s being too classy or if she thinks that she’s gonna kill them with kindness, that doesn’t work here. That’s not working. You’ve tried that.” ([25:43])
• Angel’s codependency on her husband and perceived lack of independence in the group is a running theme, with Tamra sharing her own early Housewives experience of being codependent ([40:13]).

D. House Division & Production Meddling

• Ongoing complaints about the divided housing setup on the trip and its negative effect on group bonding.
  • The hosts break down the “fourth wall,” acknowledging that producers often influence logistics and drama ([24:02], [24:13]).
• The “no running water” fiasco at the house is a major plotline, with the hosts sharing logistical horror stories and possible explanations ([41:30–44:37]). Tamra: “Why are these ladies trying to punish Angel for not having water?” ([43:33]) Teddi: “Angel didn’t know that when she booked it…allegedly that there was no water.”

E. Marital Speculation & Group Tension

• The group begins to direct their suspicions at Angel’s marriage, with Monique expressing concerns about possible control issues.
  • Quote:
    Tamra: “She thinks there is something Angel is not sharing about her marriage… I don’t think they’re happy. I think he’s controlling. Is it projecting?” ([27:27])
    Teddi: “I don’t get that from him.” ([28:58])
  • Both hosts are cautious about giving weight to the control claims without more on-screen evidence.
• They invoke personal experience, relating to codependency and behind-the-scenes drama that might not always make the edit.

F. Shift in "Hate Train" Focus

• As the group shifts their negativity from Stacy to Angel, Stacy feels a momentary reprieve, allowing her to voice prior grievances ([37:20–38:54]).

G. Dinner Party and Group Dynamics

• Praise for Angel’s beautifully decorated home and elegant dinner, though Tamra questions the authenticity of the group’s changing attitudes.
  • Quote:
    Tamra: “I feel like the girls kind of change their tune, especially Giselle… she’s looking around her house like, oh, she’s got something nice.” ([30:16])
• The “pajama party” plan at the rental house becomes another area of contention, with speculation about why Angel needs to consult her husband before agreeing ([39:20]).
• The cast's recurring argument about who lied regarding Chris Samuels, and why old drama gets resurrected ([38:14–38:54]).

H. Poop Talk and the Water Crisis

• A classic Housewives tangent about toilet troubles, frequent bowel movements, and medication tips, all triggered by the no-water disaster in the house ([41:30–43:29]). Teddi: “Listen, I can’t be with no water, I’m sorry.”

I. Looking Ahead: Aspen Trip

• The episode closes out with anticipation for the next RHOP episode, where the cast heads to Aspen and the possibility of more crossover drama with RHOBH personalities.

  • Quote:
    Tamra: "It looks like Giselle is going to come to the rescue. She’s like, ‘I'm getting us out of here.’ And I don’t blame her.” ([44:42]) Teddi: “So next week, they're going to Kimosabe. That's Kyle's place.” ([49:28])

• The hosts joke about reality TV tropes they’d like to see retired: Gatsby parties, sound baths, repeat hat shop visits ([50:00–50:39]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Katie’s Goodbye to OC:
  “If I was a betting woman, I’d say if she was my enemy, I’d be scared if she had something on me.”
  — Teddi Mellencamp ([07:37])

• On Angel’s Group Dynamic:
  “They’re just like... it’s kind of like they’re pouncing on her. But she’s got to be able to hold her own.”
  — Teddi Mellencamp ([22:42])

• On Housewives Production Realities:
  “When it does come to a trip, yeah, you do want it to be nice, and you do want to have your little parts... you just want to put your own little touch on it."
  — Teddi Mellencamp ([27:14])

• On No Water at the House:
  “Why are these ladies trying to punish Angel for not having water? They know production… Angel didn’t know that when she booked it, you know, allegedly that there was no water.”
  — Tamra Judge ([43:33], [43:43])

• On Marital Rumors:
  “She thinks there is something Angel is not sharing about her marriage… I don’t think they’re happy. I think he’s controlling. Is it projecting? I don’t know what it is or why she’s doing this, because I’ve never got that.”
  — Tamra Judge ([27:27])

• On Theme Party Fatigue:
  “We have to retire the Great Gatsby parties. That’s in the… we’re gonna put these all in the time capsule, and we’re gonna bury them.”
  — Teddi Mellencamp ([50:24])

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Key Timestamps

• [06:40] – Headlines: Katie leaves OC, Jen Shah, Gigi/Jax hookup
• [19:54] – Potomac recap begins
• [20:30] – $1,000 rent allegation
• [22:28] – Angel under scrutiny, group “hate train”
• [24:02] – Production involvement in housing drama
• [27:27] – Debate over Angel’s marriage and controlling spouse rumors
• [30:00] – Angel’s dinner party, group changes attitude
• [37:20] – Stacy happy the “hate train” shifted from her to Angel
• [39:20] – Pajama party at rental house, codependency talk
• [41:30] – No running water and group bathroom complaints
• [44:42] – Giselle wants to get the group out of the bad rental
• [49:28] – Looking ahead to Aspen trip and cross-franchise moments
• [50:24] – Retiring overused reality TV tropes

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Tone & Style

Teddi and Tamra keep things real, fun, and unfiltered—often using housewife lingo, dropping playful shade, relating events to their own lives, and speaking with authority as insiders. The episode is heavy on laughter and candid advice, with genuine empathy for the challenges of being a Housewife, especially as the group targets Angel.

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Summary Takeaway

Even in a “filler” episode, the Potomac women bring plenty of drama, with Angel at the center of growing speculation and “hate train” tactics. Tamra and Teddi deliver sharp analysis, personal reflections, and signature Bravo sass—making this recap both entertaining and insightful for Housewives obsessives and casual viewers alike.

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Next Week

See you in Aspen, where the forecast is chilly—inside and out!

Transcript

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

I was a monster.

[Jill Winterstein]

Listen to Burden of guilt season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Two T's in a pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Tamara Judge]

Hey, guys. Welcome back to another episode of two T's in a Pod. Myself and Dolores as we are just sitting here talking about hair extensions.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, yes, we were. We were saying, you know, she got Sophia to take out her extensions.

[Jill Winterstein]

Yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

When they get to the point where they're. And you know, we can't live without them once we've had them, it's really, really hard because then you feel like you're not yourself. Well, you kind of feel. Not frumpy, but bald. I never feel bald.

[Tamara Judge]

I just feel like you probably have a lot of hair. I don't have a lot of hair. I had way more hair before I started using hair extensions. And now I'm like, will it ever grow back? Because there is going to be a time I'm not going to be 70 years old sitting in the chair getting hair extensions.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

There's going to be a time where we're going to have to concede to that. I don't know when that'll happen. I think everybody has their own time frame and their own age to do that. When they're finally like, I concede, I'm over it. I'm comfortable with it. But I found that I was very against the sew in wefts forever.

[Tamara Judge]

Yep.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So was I. I haven't lost one piece of hair since I've been doing it.

[Tamara Judge]

Did you do the individuals the glue in kind before that?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I did. It was like disaster. Absolute.

[Tamara Judge]

I loved them.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But let me tell you, not break your hair.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. The wefts, if they're putting correctly, will not. Well, less damaging. And that's why I went to them. But my hair is thin. So if you have thin hair and you have left, sometimes you got to worry about the track showing. So that was always my issue.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But yeah. Yeah. So they come a long way though. They have the micro. My. My friend Al. You know Al?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She is the master. Go to her, ask her any questions. Anyway, she's one of my best friends. She's like a sister to me. But yeah, I'll attack her in this.

[Tamara Judge]

Somebody was just saying, oh, it was. I call her my daughter in law, but she's not Sarah, Ava's mom. She was saying, you know, L. She was telling me that friends would say,

[Teddi Mellencamp]

she sounds like Sarah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

With Sarah. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yep, yep.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Probably Elle is Probably one of the best friends anybody will ever have. And she is a master at hair extensions and. And wefts.

[Tamara Judge]

I have a lot of questions for 2026. I want to do all the things.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, then let's get Elle on.

[Tamara Judge]

She's extensions.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She teaches how to do it. I mean, I think, you know, there should be times where the things that we talk about, we should have the experts on that we go to share. I'm not a gatekeeper, okay?

[Tamara Judge]

I've been telling you that I've been going down this rabb of peptides and I just sit there and listen to so many different people talk about them, negative and positive.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, there's only one.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know what to believe. And I'm T NAD and CBD157 and the this and that and glow and clo and reduta. I don't know. There's so many peptides out there. Okay, get her on and tell. I want to talk to her about this.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Tell me when you want. When you want her.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I gotta get botox. I gotta get my hair done tomorrow. I'm just. I'm falling apart.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It hurts, doesn't it?

[Tamara Judge]

I need another facelift. I need my eyes done.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I need something getting old sucks.

[Tamara Judge]

It does. Well, getting old on TV sucks. Because everybody wants to let you know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, you see yourself.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So we have some headlines.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes, we do. Yes, we do.

[Tamara Judge]

So the very first headline we have, Katie has confirmed Orange County.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

That she is not going to be back. Us weekly posted. Well, she posted originally on her Instagram.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I saw that. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And I thought that it was a very tasteful post for, you know, because I. I know she's upset, I know she's hurt, but it was very tasteful. It was very classy the way she did post it. After two season as a cast member, the network has decided to move forward with season 20 without me. Katie wrote on Instagram. While disappointed, it's not entirely surprising after seeing how season 19 played out, the reality star continued. I'm incredibly grateful for the love and support I received. Did you see this coming? You?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I did. I. I did. But here's the. Here's what I thought was peaceful until the last line. The last line.

[Tamara Judge]

Go ahead, read it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

This chapter may be closing, but my voice and my story don't end here. Love, Katie. Well, if I was a betting woman, I'd say if she was my enemy, I'd be scared if she had something on me.

[Tamara Judge]

So you take. You took it as a threat.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'd be scared. Yes, I'm taking that as a threat because Katie's not one to not say things as we know. And Katie.

[Tamara Judge]

So you think if she's got anything in text message receipts, she's going to show it?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, listen, listen, I'm here for that show. I want a front row seat.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, Jen Shaw is in the news.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She Amazing.

[Tamara Judge]

Amazing. There was a reaction to Emma Stone's superfan confession. Did you see that?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So that she's waited outside the courtroom to see her.

[Tamara Judge]

So basically what she's saying is these a list celebrities are just like us.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They.

[Tamara Judge]

She waited Emma Stone outside in the freezing weather to see Jen shaw during her 2023 sentencing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That. These real talented women.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think I'd ever do that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But Jennifer Lawrence too. She's a big fan.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, Jennifer Lawrence, I love you so much. I don't care if you think I'm toxic and you don't even know me.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, but that's okay. We can.

[Tamara Judge]

That's okay.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

People are allowed to have their own opinions.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes. At least you know what? Jennifer Lawrence knows who I am and she's talking and she's talking about me and that's really all that matters.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That is so true. Right. What does Mae west say? Talk about me bad. Talk about me good, but just talk about me. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

So in her response, she's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Wow.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm genuinely so touched that Emma Stone, who I admired for so long, took the time to. To wait out in the cold for me. That's incredible.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know. Listen, if it. If it took Emma Stone to have to go to the courthouse to see me getting sent off to jail for a couple years to wait for me, I would rather not.

[Tamara Judge]

But Stone wants to see me. Just DM me and I'll be anyone.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She was at the Golden Globes.

[Tamara Judge]

I'll buy you lunch. I'll buy you dinner. Just call me.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes, Emma, I think you're adorable and wonderful and Jennifer Lawrence also. Even though you said that about my friend, we're not holding that against you. We're allowed to have opinions and so are you.

[Tamara Judge]

I would like to be on watch what happens live with her next year.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

All right. Okay, you put that. But wait a second. What about. Did you hear that Gigi from that The Persian style. The Valley hooked up with Jax Taylor. Gigi, you waited a long time to talk about this. Why would you even.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, she said she was ashamed to say it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, you know what was more shameful? The fact that he didn't have a Bed. And you hooked up with him when he didn't have a bed. It was on the floor. The mattress was on the floor. If you don't have a headboard or. Okay, I'll take out. I take away the headboard because my headboard is a quilted wall, a velvet quilted wall. If you don't have, like, listen, I'm walking right out. I am not, at this age on a mattress on the floor. It's not happening.

[Tamara Judge]

I can't even get on the floor.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Please never have that happen again. But. Well, I'm glad that you're upfront and transparent, and it was fun for us.

[Tamara Judge]

I think I would have taken that one to the grave. It was season two or something like that. So it was before his complete douche hour, I guess. I don't know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Right after he broke up with Stasi. But here's the thing, Gigi. You got away with it this long with nobody knowing. You could have died with that. You could have took that to the grave. We would have been okay with not knowing that, and you would have been okay with never admitting to that. You got so much going on, you could have left it on the side.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay. Did you see Zach kind of commented on this? He said something like, I love Zach.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

He's a good friend.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, yeah. He commented something about you're still in his. Like, up in his Instagram making comments and stuff. The Gigi was something like that. I can't remember. We got to pull that up.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay, well, Zach, do yourself a favor. Don't pick a fight with Gigi. Don't.

[Tamara Judge]

Nobody should ever fight with Gigi.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm telling you right now. Don't do it. You are in the no feeding part of the zoo. Step back away from the cage.

[Tamara Judge]

Step back, Zach.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I like Zach, so I'm giving you a little bit of forewarning there. She will you up.

[Tamara Judge]

She will. Now Queens of Bravo is reporting that good news. Hearing that from a very reliable source that Real House of New York is beginning production next week. Amazing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Nice to see Jersey's back, too. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Where is Jersey? Where the is Jersey?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, come on.

[Tamara Judge]

Your cast really that up rating?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Stop. My cast?

[Tamara Judge]

Like, oh, so guess what? Where I went this weekend.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I want to know.

[Tamara Judge]

I went to the movie theater. Asked me the last time I've been to a movie theater. It's been a while, I think. I took Ava to see the first Wicked. I saw Housemade. Have you seen it?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So I know Margaret and Melissa went to the premiere. Oh. And I was. God, it was so good. It was.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, it is so good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You're gonna make me go.

[Tamara Judge]

No, you have to go.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Maybe Frankie Funicelli will come with me.

[Tamara Judge]

It's funny, it's eerie, it's scary.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's.

[Tamara Judge]

It's so. It's everything and everything. And all I can think about the whole time is the cast. The main cast did a tick tock with. That's my opinion. The on set that just. I told Eddie it just hits different. Watching it Sweeney was amazing. Amazing. That poor girl gets so much from so many people. Like I've seen grown ass men on Instagram talking about her looks in a negative way. I'm like, she is adorable. Leave her alone.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And if you're a man, just act like one.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, you little. She's great in this show.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Great.

[Tamara Judge]

And I think there's already like a sequel or something.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Really? Okay. I'm gonna have to watch the way it ends.

[Tamara Judge]

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embracing of the isness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity and real life, this episode is a must. Listen Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcast. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy car?

[Tamara Judge]

When you look at your car, you're

[Ben Higgins]

going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Jill Winterstein]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

[Ben Higgins]

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

[Jill Winterstein]

Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. Nlp, AKA Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's about engineering consciousness.

[Jill Winterstein]

Mind Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all nlp might actually work.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

This is wild.

[Jill Winterstein]

Listen to mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you you get your podcasts.

[Ben Higgins]

What do you do when the headlines don't explain what's happening inside of you? I'm Ben Higgins, and if you can hear me is where culture meets the soul. A place for real conversation. Each episode, I sit down with people from all walks of life. Celebrities, thinkers, and everyday folks. And we go deeper than the polished story. We talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff. Identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore. Loss that changes you Purpose when success isn't enough. Peace when your mind won't slow down. Faith when it's complicated. Some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to if you can hear me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, so today we are going to be recapping Potomac Episode 14. Felt a little bit like a filler episode to me. What do you think?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I mean, I can. I'd go with that little filler.

[Tamara Judge]

Not. Not a whole lot went down in this episode. Not a whole lot. But it starts out with Wendy tells Angel she was told by a realtor friend that she found a property for rent at $14,000 a month, and angel said she would only do it for a thousand. Okay, this is so far fetched.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And by the way, it is so far fetched. There's nowhere to live for a thousand dollars.

[Tamara Judge]

Nowhere.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So it's an absolute blatant lie.

[Tamara Judge]

You can'.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Then it shouldn't even be repeated because whoever repeating that is not credible to me.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, if you're a real estate agent, and you are.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, there you go too.

[Tamara Judge]

That's like you're gonna get. And you know if you're reported, you can get in big trouble.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know you can.

[Tamara Judge]

By the board of real estate. Yes, you take an ethics course, but

[Teddi Mellencamp]

this happened on Salt Lake City, too, when the jeweler talked about Bronwyn not buying the. The piece.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but with a real estate agent, you can get your license.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, yeah, you're holding an actual license as a jeweler. You're not. You're just gonna. Kind of. It's unethical, but for this, you're gonna. You could get in trouble. And as you should. As you absolutely Should.

[Tamara Judge]

Angel has an idea of who this real estate agent is, and she says that they're just upset because she didn't go with them, so she turned them down. But if. Did you watch. Watch what Happens Live?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

So on. Watch what Happens live, Angel said she spoke to the realtor who denied Winnie's claim and said the conversation never happened. Well, of course she's going to say that because she's going to get in trouble by the border real estate if she did do that. Do you agree with Jazzy that Tia is being friendly with angel because she wants to sell the home? She wants to sell her a home?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, I think that angels kind of dragon Tia in more because who else is being nice to her? She's being decent with her. She's not being that nice. She's not sticking up for her. She's not up her ass. She. She wouldn't be upset if she wasn't invited to her house, which you'll see later on in the. In the episode. So I kind of. I. I liked this episode. It did show a lot. The girls were, like, merciless here. But they're so.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, God, they're so hard on her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They are very hard.

[Tamara Judge]

Giselle is so hard. Like, she can't even try to say something nice to her. I don't know. That's why I'm like, do. Is there something we don't know?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They're just like. It's kind of like they're pouncing on her. But she's got to be able to hold her own.

[Tamara Judge]

But now they're going after her marriage.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, we're gonna get to that. And that's something where maybe she'll show her what she's got. What? Show us what you got. Because there's nothing left for them to go after except your marriage. And you need to really make an impact. And you say you're gonna. But let's see. So the. You know, and it. You know, after they go through the whole realtor thing, it's time for them to leave. Right. So the whole. The whole dynamics of this trip in this house is they're divided. And that is not the idea of a girls trip.

[Tamara Judge]

Right. That's what I said.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Supposed to be on one roof. However, how much is this Angel's idea? You know, it's kind of like, you'll see, like, production. I'm not even giving out, like, breaking the third wall. Production has an idea and has a play in all of this. So the fact that they have to drive an hour from this whole. This. Where the other girls are doesn't make a whole lot of sense because. And this is true. And Wendy started talking. She was saying, my favorite parts of the girls trip is later on at night when we all meet in the kitchen because we're hungry, and we're. We're eating the food that's leftover. And that is when you get some of the hot mic moments.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Now, did you notice Monique, in her confessional, kind of broke the fourth wall? And she's talked about production and how production sets up some of these trips. But it's up to us.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Your name is on it.

[Tamara Judge]

Your name's on it. And you want it to be good. And there's certain housewives are like, yeah, whatever. Do whatever. And there's others like, I want to do this activity. I want to do this. I want to do that. And she was kind. I don't know. That the rental was picked by angel. And there's no water. I mean, the place is great, but there's no water. I don't think that is something anybody thought, like, oh, let's put them in there, because there's no water.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Right, Right. And why it only is some. Some houses. Maybe it's the height. Maybe for what you knew. You. You know.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I mean, that's an Airbnb issue. Like, it's not, you know, I'm sure production was on the phone going, hey, we have no water. Like, we want our money back, or we're getting them out of there. But, you know, the bottom line is the girls don't like Angel. And at this point, they're only tolerating Stacy because they can't win with Stacy. Nobody can win with Stacy. She's too good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She is. She is. She is an example of what you should be when people are attacking you. But Angel's really not getting worked up either. Like, I probably would have threw a table at somebody by now.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you could see in her face like, she wants to say more, and she's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Why are you holding back? Angel? Angel, you have nothing to lose. You don't have a friend in the group. So you're like.

[Tamara Judge]

So you're saying she's allowing them to do this to her?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, if she thinks that she's being too classy or if she thinks that she's gonna kill them with kindness. That doesn't work here. That's not working. You've tried that.

[Tamara Judge]

And I worked with Stacy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I agree with you trying that. It doesn't even work with Stacy. Because they still come for her. She just doesn't get.

[Tamara Judge]

She doesn't care.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She doesn't care. And angels, you know, angels knew. And listen, it's not off. She's not off to a good start here. It's just. It's hard. And. And, you know, Monique, What. Do you agree with what Monique was saying? Because I have been involved in Southern trips. Like, okay, so the trip to Ireland I hosted. I posted most finales because I was the neutral one. So the trip to Ireland, Paul was very involved. Paul hired our hair and makeup girls to come every day. They drove, like, three hours every day to come do our hair and makeup, all from him. Paul had someone come and sing there. He had gifted bags made with all shirts for us to match.

[Tamara Judge]

Wait, this is a trip to Ireland? Yeah, well, of course. That's, like, his hometown, so he wanted it to be, like, extra special.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

He wanted you guys to be extra special. Very cute. Very, very cute. But. But when it does come to a trip. Yeah. You do want it to be nice, and you do want to have your little parts. And I brought goodie bags. And even hosting the last girls, I

[Tamara Judge]

usually do that, too.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You know what I mean? Like, you just want to put your own little touch on it. But I think that we. We just got there. We're not there five minutes, and everybody's shitting all over this.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, Monique starts talking about her experience. She thinks there is something angel is not sharing about her marriage. And she's, as an observer, is looking at them going, I don't think they're happy. I don't. I think there's problems. I think he's controlling. Is it projecting? I don't know what it is or why she's doing this, because I've never got that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, I don't see. We're not seeing it. Maybe she's saying something that we're not like.

[Tamara Judge]

Exactly.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We have to say this a lot in our. In our pods. Because, like, even with Salt Lake City, is there something with Meredith we're not seeing? Right.

[Tamara Judge]

By the way, guys, go listen to the Meredith interview. It is so good. She does open up about a lot of things. So you want to hear more about Meredith? Listen. People are loving it. Loving it.

[Jill Winterstein]

Really?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm gonna go listen.

[Tamara Judge]

You have to go listen. She really opens up a lot.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Did she talk about, like. Like, maybe she does do stuff or.

[Tamara Judge]

No, you have to listen.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You have to listen. Why are you gonna make me do that? I don't have any time today.

[Tamara Judge]

I'll tell you Afterwards, Okay. Afterwards.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay, fine.

[Tamara Judge]

When they go to. So Monique starts opening up about her concerns. I thought that was pretty ballsy to go after somebody's marriage when we really, as viewers, have not seen much going on now. They think he's controlling. I haven't. He's just. All I see him is picking up the kids, making food, and I'm like, it just doesn't give that energy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't get that from him.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't either. When the girls got to Angel's house, there was like, a bunch of guys around, like a fire pit or something. Not one of them stood up to greet the ladies. Not one of them. And then when they were introduced, they just looked at him. I'm like, was that, like, weird editing? I don't think it was. I think it was like, what. What is going on?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It was a little weird, but then it's uncomfortable.

[Tamara Judge]

I could imagine.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

He came out, he helped her out of the car, as she should first, and left them there. He should have said, girls, I'll come back for you. I mean, doesn't anybody have a fucking umbrella? He should have come out with an umbrella. If you're going to come out and do that for your wife. I do that for the other women in the car as well. Yeah, but then those women don't.

[Tamara Judge]

But there was a whole bunch of guys there. They could have helped out. It was just like. They just sat there, like, just staring at them.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't know what the hell. Yeah, no, I'm not disagreeing with you on that. But listen, it could be only what we saw. We don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So at Angel's dinner, Giselle confronts her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

By the way, was decorated beautifully.

[Tamara Judge]

So pretty. What'd you think about her house? Gorgeous. Gorgeous, right?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Gorgeous. Classy. Just done.

[Tamara Judge]

I feel like the girls kind of change their tune, especially Giselle. She's like, oh, okay, I see you, Angel. I see you. She's looking around her house like, oh, she's got something nice.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, I think they're trying to prove it, though.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, but I. I guess in Giselle mine, it has to be proven. I'm not sure I want to know. I want to talk to Giselle. I want to know why she doesn't like her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Ask her.

[Tamara Judge]

Because I like Giselle. And if there's something there and we don't know, like, we need to know, right? Need to let us in on this.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So. Yeah, I mean, angel should ask her. Why are we asking her? Why did angel just ask her?

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So Giselle's pissed off because there's no running water and they're 45 minutes away. So. And even angel says in confessional nobody should be without water. Not even Giselle and Ashley. A little shade.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

See, I wouldn't even say that. I'd be like, well, I guess they'll have to stay dirty. So on the Potomac, an animal. I'm sorry. Angel is so nice.

[Tamara Judge]

I know. So on Potomac, after show, angel explained that the cast trip was originally planned as a couple's trip.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh. Because, you know, it's funny that you're saying that, but why would you have a couple's trip in a group where Giselle and Ashley don't have significant others?

[Tamara Judge]

It does. Monique.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm sorry, Monique. Giselle and Ashley don't have significant others. Yeah. How do you do that? How do you do that? Do you leave out the ones that don't have a significant other? That doesn't make it.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe that's why they had two houses. Maybe they had like her. Angel's house is for the couples. The other house is for the single girls.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So what changed it?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. She didn't say what changed it should not say.

[Jill Winterstein]

Hi, this is Jo Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver, the Irish traveler said when

[Tamara Judge]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Ben Higgins]

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[Jill Winterstein]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

[Ben Higgins]

I gave her some suggestions to be Sexually aroused?

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Ben Higgins]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Tamara Judge]

The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is

[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Tamara Judge]

So Stacy is very happy that the ladies have diverted the hate train onto Angel.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Of course she should be.

[Tamara Judge]

And she's just like. She's one of the girls now. She's just having fun with them, and she doesn't have to for now.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Don't be used to it, Stacy, because what? You know, they're going to come back to you any minute, so don't worry about it.

[Tamara Judge]

Yep. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They're just busy right now. But, you know, Stacy seems to really be finding her voice now that she's gotten a break from being the victim these days. So at dinner, she starts to, like, really open up and talk about how she felt. Tia jumped on the hate Stacy train. And, you know, t is like, well, I just don't like liars. And you were lying about Chris Samuels, but what does that have to do with you, Tia? Like that. Nothing.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, I think that was like, okay, what are we gonna do next? We gotta bring something up.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So we're gonna.

[Tamara Judge]

We're gonna circle back to. To Stacy calling. Supposedly calling.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And all that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And it turned out it wasn't Stacy at the end of the day. Right.

[Tamara Judge]

Who was it? I don't even know who it was.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm so confused to the bottom of it, or maybe it was. I don't remember. But it never came to fruition. Nothing ever really came about it. We never really knew. And why was it let go? But it was so.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, even Monique is not upset about it. She says she. She'll stay, you know, neutral with her until the lies directly to her. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Or about her.

[Tamara Judge]

Why are we going back to this? I don't get it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, Stacy wanted to get this off her chest because she felt like she hasn't been getting any airtime because no one's picking on her at this moment. So she had to bring. She had to bring some Attention to herself on this trip, so. But, yeah. But no, honestly, kudos to Angel. It was a beautiful dinner she set up. Gorgeous. And. And it was really nice. It was.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, somebody suggested they have a pajama party at the rental house.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. So all the girls have to be under one roof. Right.

[Tamara Judge]

And then angel says she had to check with Bobby. So that just feeds into the girls going, oh, he's so controlling. But I think what it is, is, like she said, I'm still breastfeeding. I have kids. My husband's here. He's taking care of them. Maybe he's one of those guys that can only do so much. You know what I mean? It's like he taps it out.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like a lot of husbands, family members for. Or a nanny.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You know, but here's the thing. Do you think that maybe she was doing it because she's so afraid to be with those girls on her own? She leans on her husband a lot. I've seen this in women before. Like, she. She is, like, attached to him. It's like a codependency. Right. She's not a very independent girl from him. I don't believe. No.

[Tamara Judge]

Which is fine.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Which is fine. I'm not faulting you for it.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's not a good position. It's not a strong position. You should never be codependent on anybody. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. But this is a hard show to be on if you're like that. Like, when I started the show, I was very codependent on my ex because he made. He was controlling, and he made sure that I was codependent on him, so.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, maybe then you just prove something. Maybe.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe that's.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Now that you just said that even though he was controlling and he was whatever he was to you, you still depended on him a lot.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. Because a lot of times, like, you know, the cast will witness things that are not being filmed or some guys have freakouts or. I don't know, maybe something happened with Bobby that we don't know about and the cast does, so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, well, they'll let us know.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I feel like they would have said it already.

[Tamara Judge]

They don't have that many episodes left. Right.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I feel like they would have said it, but, you know, I don't. I. I still. I'm. Ijorie's out for me on the whole controlling thing.

[Tamara Judge]

Me, too. Me too. I need more evidence, because from what we've seen, it's not really. We don't see any. So the next morning, Stacy's room is the only room that has water until it is shut off.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Listen, I can't be with no water. I'm sorry.

[Tamara Judge]

No, I mean, you can't flush a toilet. And you know, what is it? Ashley poops three times a day. And Giselle. I know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And she's no like cellulite anywhere. It's just because she poops all the time.

[Tamara Judge]

That's not good. You need to fix your pooper.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, no. Don't oh me. Yeah. Yes, I gotta fix it. It's called. Well, there's this stuff called Lynzest that you have to take. It's just not. It's bad.

[Tamara Judge]

I've shoving suppositories at my ass if I didn't.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, I. I battled this my whole life. It's really. It hasn't been easy for me. Yeah, it's not.

[Tamara Judge]

I have a child like that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. So it's just socks. And you feel like, you know, I feel like it's part to do with weight and. And you hold on to things.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, it's just start drinking olive oil every night.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I'll pass on that.

[Tamara Judge]

Olive oil with a little lemon in it. And it lubricates your. Your buttholes. Lubricate your intestines. If I did that, I'd be like. I'd be like a dog dragging its ass on the ground.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So. So there's something called Linzess. And it's a laxative. It's a medication. Linzess. It doesn't cause cramping or anything.

[Tamara Judge]

How the hell did you ever do Ozempic if you can't your pooper doesn't work.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, because I have Lynzest. And what happens is Ozempic in the beginning does make you go to the bathroom.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, I thought it was the opposite. I thought it like.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It could be either way because you eat a lot of protein.

[Tamara Judge]

I mean, my luck, if I did it, I'd be like shitting more.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, if anybody wants to know if anybody's chronically having problems, tell your doctor to prescribed Linzest. Make sure your insurance covers it because it's 300 a bottle for a 30 day.

[Tamara Judge]

Holy moly.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

For a 30 day. Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Wow.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. So anyway. Anyway.

[Tamara Judge]

So the girls have no water. They're pissed off. I would be pissed off too. But why are these ladies trying to punish angel for not having water? They know production.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Angel doesn't know.

[Tamara Judge]

Angel didn't know that when she booked it, you know, allegedly that there was no water. And why is there no water? It's not like I could see, like, the electricity, like the.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You live.

[Tamara Judge]

Or something like that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You live on a big mountain, right? Three hours to get there.

[Tamara Judge]

The only thing that happens on the mountain is they cut our electricity if it gets too windy because the power poles, the lines are not buried. They're not buried. So it could cause fire. So that's the only thing that they will do. Water. We've never had an issue with water ever. I don't understand why they would have an issue. Unless they're like, maybe they're on a well. Maybe they run off a well or something like that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I have a well. No, they do a lot. They do it a lot in Europe. So angel should be on the horn with the realtor that she rented it from and say, what the. Well, it's a flop.

[Tamara Judge]

Get over here and fix it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Get. Get up here and fix it. Or give me money off.

[Tamara Judge]

Sorry, Money off. Like, give me my money back. Well, it looks like Giselle is going to come to the rescue. She's like, I'm getting us out of here. And I don't blame her. Get me out of here. I will find another Airbnb or.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They're not there a week.

[Tamara Judge]

How long are they there for?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I mean, it's only a couple of days. Girls did. So what you have to do is you have to fill buckets up with water from the. From the. In case you poop.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, hell no.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know. We. We're just spoiled.

[Tamara Judge]

Wait, so is this their big cast trip? This is the only. I can't remind me. You know, I have the worst memory. Is this their only cast trip? Their big one. Colorado.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It has to be, because there's no more. Anything left.

[Tamara Judge]

There's nothing left. But did they go on. And a different one?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, they went to Nevis. That was the big cast trip. That was the trip. They were in the beginning of the. Of this.

[Tamara Judge]

I remember that. That's how bad. When you guys say, like, oh. She's like, no, she don't remember.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No. Nevis was. It's beautiful. And the reason I remember is because Gabby went to school in St. Kitts. She went to.

[Tamara Judge]

That's right. That's right.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

To Ross. And then.

[Tamara Judge]

So they had two cast trips and the first one was a little bit

[Teddi Mellencamp]

better, like the bomb.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, they are going to go to Aspen. So next week you see them going to Aspen. And who the hell.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Over there by Colorado.

[Tamara Judge]

Aspen, Colorado.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, don't ask me. I'm not going to hold places really?

[Tamara Judge]

Make sure that's a clip, guys, please.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't care. I don't want to know where anything cold is. Gabby's going to ask. You live in the cold. Yeah, and I don't like it.

[Tamara Judge]

We'll get your ass over to California.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I wouldn't go skiing to the cold. I wouldn't. I'm going to take a vacation and be cold.

[Tamara Judge]

We've had two Jersey wives move over here. Dina Manzo and Jacqueline Loretta. So maybe you can just move over here to California, as far.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

My mom doesn't drive on the highway. Oh, well. And she don't fly.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, it'd be a long drive. Maybe get a part time house and you can just live here while we're filming.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So you. I would love that.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, you can be a Meredith.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Listen, I rented. I rented in Rhode Island.

[Tamara Judge]

I know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I hope they bring me back. I had so much fun there. I loved it. It was so beautiful. Wait, strangers everywhere.

[Tamara Judge]

I can. Oh, I love that. I cannot wait. When's the premiere? Do you. Do you know? Have they said.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They still haven't said.

[Tamara Judge]

It's got to be soon, right?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

February, March, it has to be.

[Tamara Judge]

I can't wait.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You're gonna like.

[Tamara Judge]

So wait, so angel says Jazzy told her what Monique said about her marriage. Yikes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, now, let's see. But, you know, Stacy warned Monique in the car on the way to the dinner.

[Tamara Judge]

She did?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She warned her. And she was like, listen to me. You better be careful.

[Tamara Judge]

You better know for sure. Like, you know what I mean when it comes to somebody's marriage. Like, you better know for sure.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She wouldn't know for sure unless she was there behind closed doors. They're not closed.

[Tamara Judge]

I. You know what I wish? I wish that I think this is a mistake on Monique's side. And I love Monique. I think she should have went to angel and said, are you okay?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm just seeing things before she's, like, saying all this.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But, you know, here's the thing, Tamara. I've been in relationships like that. You've been in relationships like that. You know when somebody else is in a relationship like that, when you're around it.

[Tamara Judge]

Right, right. Absolutely.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm not discounting Monique, and I'm not committing to the fact that I agree with this yet. It's. We don't have a lot of time for this to play out. But we're gonna find out, I think, in the next episode, because it comes up and her saying, I will go nuts if you guys go after my husband now. Let's see. You know what, angel? At this point, let it ride. Show us what you got. Show us now. You're not sticking up for yourself. You're sticking up for your husband. Show us what you got.

[Tamara Judge]

Do you know something was said that bothered me?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, tell me.

[Tamara Judge]

It was at the very end when we see Mauricio walk up and he hugs Giselle, and Ashley goes, he's single now. I'm like, nope. Don't you dare go there. Do not go there. No, he is not divorced. You do not go after one of your fellow sisters.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, no.

[Tamara Judge]

Husband's a husband of, like, 30 years. Don't do that big.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, no, I didn't like that. I didn't like that.

[Tamara Judge]

But I also didn't like Mauricio filming. And I get all I. The first thing I thought about was Kyle. When I. When it's like Kyle seeing this and going, ugh, I don't like that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think. I think everyone's okay. But, you know, you said it for no reason.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. So it. The previews for next week, they're going to Kimosabe. That's Kyle's place that, you know. Kyle and Mariso have a house in Aspen, and they're there all the time and not necessarily together, but they're there. And we're going to see them having a good old time at the hat place.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay. Okay. So we're going to have to retire some scenes. Hat place. We've done that couple.

[Tamara Judge]

Kabi has been on Housewives many times. Okay, we're going to retire Orange County. Went to Aspen when I was 15. Fired, and they tried to get to Kimosabi and they said no.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay, well, there you go. So not doing. We're not doing another sound bath. No sound bath. No.

[Tamara Judge]

What else? There's a few things.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, let's retire a. And I know this hasn't been in a while. We have to retire the Great Gatsby parties. That's in the. We're going to put these all in the time capsule, and we're going to bury them. Okay, guys.

[Tamara Judge]

I like a good theme party, though.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I really. I love a theme party. I know when I was doing the Peaky Blinders party here, they were like, andy never wants to see another Great Gatsby party ever. So it wasn't a great Gatsby party. I had, like, people flown in from Ireland. I had Irish whiskey here. I had go to Ireland premiere events by Rima getting Irish flowers. I mean, I had actors coming in, making believe they were drunk when you walked in. I had Irish dancers outside in my driveway.

[Tamara Judge]

You're a good party planner.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That was Paul.

[Tamara Judge]

Paul's a good party planner.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I had them all greeted with Irish dancers. And you know what? Right here and behind me is what? Where it all went down.

[Tamara Judge]

You have it all blurred out.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You can't tell me. Like, you can't tell me we don't belong back. I'm sorry.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm sorry. Bring Jersey back. Bring Jersey back.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Jersey back. Dog has a bit. All righty.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, that's it for Potomac. Thank you guys so much. And we'll see you next week in Aspen.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay, See you next week in Aspen. You can have it, Gabby. You'll see Gabby there. Gabby and Mike. Her and her boyfriend are going next month.

[Tamara Judge]

Have fun.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

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