Backstabbing 101 (Southern Charm & Traitors Recap)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Episode: Backstabbing 101 (Southern Charm & Traitors Recap)
Release Date: February 22, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge, hosted by iHeartPodcasts, Teddi and Tamra dive deep into the latest episodes of two popular reality TV shows: Southern Charm and Traitors. Their dynamic chemistry and insider perspectives offer listeners an engaging and insightful analysis of the drama, interpersonal dynamics, and strategic maneuvers unfolding on screen.

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Southern Charm Recap: Season 10, Episode 11

Key Highlights:

• Shep and Sienna's Tense Interaction:
  The episode centers around the strained relationship between Shep and Sienna. Teddi and Tamra express their frustration with Shep's desperate attempts to secure Sienna's affection.

  • Teddi Mellencamp (03:01): "You and everybody else."

  • Tamra Judge (04:31): "Or is he just that overly confident in himself, like sort of narcissistic?"

• Shep's Confession and Public Reception:
  Shep confesses his feelings to Sienna, expecting reciprocation, but instead faces cold responses from both Sienna and their mutual friends.

  • Teddi Mellencamp (03:58): "He says life is too short to ignore a strong feeling about someone that's all one sided."

  • Tamra Judge (04:44): "It feels like lust instead of love for me because they have not spent enough time together."

• Group Dynamics and Reactions:
  The group's reactions to Shep's behavior range from second-hand embarrassment to outright amusement. Taylor and Madison find Shep's actions laughable, while Austin expresses doubt about Shep's ability to read social cues.

  • Tamra Judge (09:05): "And Shep's text is so long and dramatic. It could be a Taylor Swift song at this point."

• Sienna's Defense and Social Media Drama:
  Sienna takes to TikTok to clarify her intentions, leading to further misunderstandings and tensions within the group.

  • Teddi Mellencamp (22:30): "She could be dating someone else at the same time."

• Final Thoughts on Shep and Sienna's Relationship:
  Teddi and Tamra conclude that Shep's relentless pursuit may be more harmful than helpful, suggesting he might benefit from dating someone closer to his age.

  • Tamra Judge (27:03): "Like, get somebody closer to your age."

Notable Quotes:

• "Shep is acting like a pervy uncle this episode. It's like really grossing me out." – Tamra Judge (09:45)

• "Karma's a bitch." – Teddi Mellencamp (16:42)

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Traitors Recap: Season 3, Episode 9

Key Highlights:

• Factional Struggles and Betrayals:
  The episode intensifies the battle between the Faithfuls and the Traitors, with alliances being tested and loyalty questioned.

  • Teddi Mellencamp (35:16): "I thought the season is amazing."

• Carolyn and Danielle's Antagonism:
  The hosts discuss the volatile relationship between Carolyn and Danielle, highlighting their constant bickering and lack of trust.

  • Teddi Mellencamp (36:14): "They fight constantly. They bicker."

• Strategic Gameplay and Challenges:
  Challenges like the giant game of chess force contestants to think strategically, revealing traitorous behaviors and alliances.

  • Teddi Mellencamp (39:53): "In today's challenge, they're playing a giant game of chess."

• Elimination and Emotional Confessions:
  The drama culminates in an emotional confrontation where Danielle is revealed as a traitor, leading to her dramatic downfall.

  • Teddi Mellencamp (43:37): "So Dylan has the deciding vote tonight, and he voted for Carolyn."

Notable Quotes:

• "He is such a narcissist. Of course, he thinks that every single question is directed toward him or about him." – Tamra Judge (40:54)

• "She could be dating someone else at the same time." – Tamra Judge (39:37)

• "She's just insufferable. To me, especially this episode, falling on the ground is too much." – Teddi Mellencamp (44:12)

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Insights and Analysis

Character Dynamics:

• Shep's Desperation vs. Sienna's Indifference:
  The hosts critically analyze Shep's inability to gauge Sienna's feelings, portraying his actions as both cringe-worthy and strategically flawed.

• Carolyn's Manipulative Tactics:
  In Traitors, Carolyn's attempts to sabotage Danielle's position are dissected, showcasing her manipulative nature and the consequences of her actions.

Strategic Gameplay:

• Chess Challenge as a Metaphor:
  The chess game in Traitors serves as a metaphor for the strategic maneuvers and power plays inherent in the game, reflecting the contestants' abilities to think several steps ahead.

Emotional Fallout:

• Danielle's Dramatic Reveal:
  The revelation of Danielle as a traitor and her subsequent emotional breakdown highlight the intense pressure and high stakes of reality TV competitions.

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Conclusions

Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge deliver a compelling and thorough recap of Southern Charm and Traitors, blending humor with sharp observations. Their discussions not only highlight the dramatic moments but also delve into the underlying motivations and strategies of the contestants. For fans seeking an in-depth analysis of their favorite reality TV shows, this episode of Two Ts In A Pod offers both entertainment and insightful commentary.

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Notable Quotes Compilation

1. "Shep is acting like a pervy uncle this episode. It's like really grossing me out." – Tamra Judge [09:45]
2. "Karma's a bitch." – Teddi Mellencamp [16:42]
3. "He is such a narcissist. Of course, he thinks that every single question is directed toward him or about him." – Tamra Judge [40:54]
4. "She's just insufferable. To me, especially this episode, falling on the ground is too much." – Teddi Mellencamp [44:12]
5. "She could be dating someone else at the same time." – Tamra Judge [39:37]

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the essence of the Backstabbing 101 episode, providing listeners with a clear understanding of the discussions and viewpoints shared by Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge.

Transcript

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[Molly]

Two T's in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Judge.

[Trishell]

Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of two T's in a Pod with Myself and Trishell Hello. Woohoo. We're going to recap. Southern charm and traitors. We're going to go ahead and start with Southern charm. Season 10 Episode 11 Now I'm going to start off by saying, could Shep been any more desperate?

[Molly]

Oh my God, I was. I had such second hand embarrassment for him. I was like, no. Like my whole body was tense. It was just so embarrassing.

[Trishell]

You and everybody else.

[Molly]

Yes, she does not like him at all.

[Trishell]

No, I know. And we're going to get into it. But I'm like, dude, where are your balls? Yeah, where are your balls? Well, it starts out that Shep and Sienna have a little talk before dinner. They haven't seen each other in a month and a half. Apparently Sienna told Shep that they'd have a beautiful babies. I find that hard to believe. So his mind was obviously going there. And then Shep tells her he's in love with her. I'm like, shep, please, dude. In Sienna's mind, they never define the relationship. But now she knows how he feels and she still doesn't give him any reassurance. But Shep is happy with the way the conversation has gone and ends it there in his confessional. He says life is too short to ignore a strong feeling about someone that's all one sided.

[Molly]

I think that he has given. He's given her the ick so badly that she can't ick. She can't even hug him. It is so, so awkward to watch.

[Trishell]

I mean, she didn't show up to the airport. She came over and if for somebody that he thinks is the one and they're in love, she's like, gave him like a best friend hug.

[Molly]

Craig.

[Trishell]

A bigger hug than she gave Shep, right? Shepherd, what are you doing? I mean, he is absolutely delusional.

[Molly]

Or is he just that overly confident in himself, like sort of like narcissistic?

[Trishell]

I don't know. Or just denial, delusion. I don't know. In love, blinded.

[Molly]

It feels like lust instead of love for me because they have not spent enough time together. But I mean, it is funny when they did that flashback of him and Madison talking and he was like, well, I'm gonna find my love on a white sandy beach somewhere. And I'm like, okay, maybe he had that in his head for like three years.

[Trishell]

Maybe that was his fantasy since he was a little boy.

[Molly]

Yeah.

[Trishell]

Find his love on a white sandy beach. I think also that Shep met his match. I think Shep will probably be a bachelor his entire life. And I think that he found A girl that's like, just like him. Like, nah, you know, I could take it or leave it. I don't need to be in a relationship. And he's like, what?

[Molly]

Yeah, but he needs to calm down. The baby talk, it's too intense. I mean, it's. It's a lot.

[Trishell]

Yeah. Well, Siena is not very happy because she took to TikTok to recap last night on and Queens of Bravo posted it. She and Shep met on Raya. Thought he was a cute Southern boy. Whitney DM'd her first. She provided the receipt. He doesn't look like his picture in person. She said grandma is a fan of the show. She didn't know Shep or Whitney were on reality TV when she met them. Denies grandma put her up to the date with Shep to be on the show. Doesn't clarify if she was dating Shep. Calls him a friend. So she's, like, getting pissed because I think it's looking like, you know, she was insensitive and just wanted to be on the show and used him. And. And she's like, wait a minute, Whitney. She was the one that received me, right?

[Molly]

She. Because she's mad because she's looking thirsty right now. And I think this girl just wants to kill it on Raya. But I will say she's probably going to get kicked off of Raya because the whole thing, it's like fight club. Like, you can't mention it. And, like, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah. And there's, like, this big rule, like, people get. Okay, first off, like, I've never been on Ryan, but I think if I are single, I would kill it on there. Like, I'm funny, and I'm like, I don't know. Yeah, it's. In another life, I would be on it. But I heard that if screenshot your conversation that they give you, like, one or two warnings, and then you're kicked off.

[Trishell]

Oh, wow.

[Molly]

Yeah.

[Trishell]

Well, then she's probably going to be kicked off then.

[Molly]

I think so.

[Trishell]

Or they're loving the attention. That. Right? But you know what? Isn't Raya the one that has, like, a waiting list to get on? Like, it's really hard.

[Molly]

Yeah, yeah. You have to, like, apply or something.

[Trishell]

Bye. Bye, guys. You're not gonna be on rye anymore. Chef's been on it for a long time. Come on, chef. You're 45 years old. You need to find a girl that is your age to settle down with. Meanwhile, the rest of the group, minus Molly, are at dinner. Shep and Sienna show up, and Shep awkwardly pulls out Sienna's chair for her. Taylor and Madison can't help but laugh at him. Austin pulls Chef over to the bar, and Sienna joins the girls. Madison mentions that Sienna is playing hard to get, but Sienna poses the question can am I playing hard to get or am I hard to get? That was a really good line, right?

[Molly]

Yeah. First off, I think I love Molly because she has, like, two day hangovers. I can. She's very relatable. She just didn't want to go to dinner.

[Trishell]

I question Molly a little bit, and I'll tell you why in a minute.

[Molly]

Okay. I just think it's funny that at dinner, whenever Shep pulls out her car, Madison's like, ew. It's like he is just being not himself. And all of his friends are like, dude, what are you doing? Doing? It's not working. Like, no one's having it.

[Trishell]

Yeah. So she. I mean, she basically saying, am I playing hard to get? No, I mean, just am hard to get. I mean, this is such a chat GPT way of saying, shop. I'm using you to be on tv.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Molly]

And I think that the cast is picking up on that. It feels like. I don't know. Did you feel like they don't like her?

[Trishell]

No, I think maybe they like her, but they also know that she doesn't like him. And I think that how it's looking is that okay. Sian, you're out there saying, like, you know, Whitney reached out to me, but you. And then Shep reached out to her, but you agreed to film. You are having this guy come to the Bahamas to film with you. Yeah. And that's leading him on, I think. I think.

[Molly]

And I feel like the cast is kind of interrogating her a little bit and just, like, asking instead of trying to get to know her, they're, like, asking her pointed questions, and she's just, like, being very coy. I mean, maybe just like she's living the island life. I just. I kind of don't understand her.

[Trishell]

I know. I know. So Sienna casually tells them she loves Shep. He's a great person, and they had a lot of fun. Madison asked Sienna if she and Shep are together, and Sienna says they've never had that conversation. So it seems like it's a no. It's a no. Sienna tells them that she and Shep are similar in wanting something that's non committal. So it works for both of them.

[Molly]

Hi. I feel like Shep is acting like a pervy uncle this episode. It's like really grossing me out.

[Trishell]

I mean, my God.

[Molly]

I mean. And Madison's literally like, she doesn't like you.

[Trishell]

I so cute. She, every time she opens about, I'm like, I just love everything she says.

[Molly]

Same, same.

[Trishell]

I mean, Chef and Sienna's relationship is like, literally like a car crash. You can't help but want to watch more. The dynamic between them is just so off, you know? And then there's Molly over there on the sidelines, like, pick me.

[Molly]

She's like doing a cartwheel.

[Trishell]

I'm here, I'm on my tuba. I'm over here. I'm in my bikini. And Shep's like, no, no. I went. This freckled lipped girl from the Bahamas. It doesn't like me.

[Molly]

I think he's just. The girls in Charleston are so dehydrated for these guys. Like, they are so thirsty. And I think that they just, you know, the last name and the status and everything. And this girl's like, I'm 22. I'm on Raya. I'm living my life on the island. And he, he just has to have it, but he can't.

[Trishell]

What would a 22 year old, I mean, I'm sure it happens all the time, but 22 year old want with the 40, you know, 5, 47 year old guy?

[Molly]

I guess she thought she'd be more attracted to him and she's not.

[Trishell]

Is it the dad jeans and the belt?

[Molly]

The flip flops? Yes. The whole, the whole look, The Tommy Bahama wardrobe.

[Trishell]

The Tommy Bahama stuff. He's like, no. Hard pass. Hard pass.

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[Trishell]

Meanwhile, Austin and Shep are across the restaurant talking about the same thing. Shep says Sienna told him she missed him, but the camera crew got something entirely different. The real conversation was Shep asked her, did you miss me? And she responded, I'll see.

[Molly]

Oh.

[Trishell]

Austin doesn't think Shep is the best at picking up on certain signals. Oh, duh. So he's doubting if the conversation actually went that way. When Shep and Austin joined the group at dinner again, Sally mentioned Sienna's comment about them being non committal, which obviously throws him a bit.

[Molly]

That text message thing when the cameras caught it, I loved it. But, Tamara, have you ever had one of those moments where you did something so embarrassing or somebody saw something that you did, or whatever said, and you think about it like years, months, whatever later, and you just shiver?

[Trishell]

Yes.

[Molly]

I feel like this is going to haunt him for a minute.

[Trishell]

Oh, my God. Nobody is more embarrassed than Shep watching this back right now.

[Molly]

Oh, my God, I cannot imagine.

[Trishell]

And you know, there's Taylor over there going, oh, she's loving every bit bit of it. Taylor's looks thrilled at dinner, like she was getting off on Shep's delusion. So, I mean, and I had to think about it. Okay, the backstory. Shep and Taylor dated for two years and broke up in 2022 due to Shep cheating multiple times and refusing to commit. And here he's chasing a non committal.

[Molly]

There it is.

[Trishell]

I think that's called karma.

[Molly]

It is karma. Yes. Karma's a bitch. There you go.

[Trishell]

Yep. The next morning, Shep and Taylor are the first to wake up after a long night of drinking. We get a flashback of last night. Everyone came back to the girl's suite because Sienna, who went home because she had a stomachache. When she said bye to Shep, she just gave. Oh, my God. They just gave each other an awkward hug, like brothers and sisters. No kiss, nothing. And back in the suite, Madison straight up told ship she doesn't like you shop. Like, get it through your head.

[Molly]

Do you think that they have had sex? Because I feel like, no, I don't know.

[Trishell]

That's a good question.

[Molly]

I feel like the body language is saying no. Or they did, like, one drunken night. Now she's like, ugh, I can't. Because she's repulsed by him.

[Trishell]

It seems like, Well, I think that she has her own embarrassment. Like, oh, my God, I agreed to this. Yeah, Adam, we probably, like, had a few drinks and had sex, and now, you know, months later, I'm inviting him to My hometown. And he's bringing cameras, and this guy's grossing me out.

[Molly]

Yeah, I, I. Either that or she, like, is kind of in a situationship with someone else, and she's just like, I don't know. There's something up there.

[Trishell]

Oh, she could. That could be it. That could be it. She could be dating someone else. And now she's like, oh, my life. I got to film this show. And she probably was super excited at the very beginning. I don't know if she's been like, well, she's a beauty queen, right?

[Molly]

Yeah.

[Trishell]

So she thrives that attention and platform. So she's like, oh, I'm going to be on TV with.

[Molly]

She's Ms. Bahamas. She's obviously been pursued by more people than Shep. She's on Raya. So, like, yeah, she could be dating someone else at the same time.

[Trishell]

But Taylor feels like he needs the truth. He's finally getting a taste of his own medicine. Shep decides to wake Austin up that morning so he can read the text he sent to Sienna. And all I can think of is when he jumped on Austin and talking this close to Austin's face, who just woke up, I'm like, ew, gross morning breath. I'm grossed out. Shep's text says, good morning, Sienna. Listen, I love seeing you, and no one else makes me feel the way you do. No one. But I am not going to try to convince someone that they love me for three days, especially when I know deep down that they do. Here's hoping you understand my feelings and exalt them. I just don't feel this way almost ever. I know that you agree, and I know that you agree. That's where I'm like, okay. And feel a lot of what I do, because I've heard it from you, perfect, freckled little lips. And those around us can say and think what they will, but we'll have the last laugh, and we can have love, laughter, and literally everything that matters. Okay, my TED Talk is over.

[Molly]

Ugh. Exalt, freckled lips. Love, laughter. I just so grossed out right now. I need a shower like that. It just. Ew. Yeah, Austin. Austin and Craig are just, like, laughing at, looking at each other like, how is this happening?

[Trishell]

How is this, Shep? I just want her back. Shep, I don't think you ever had her in the beginning, so I don't think she's going back to something she didn't have.

[Molly]

He's a very smart guy. I just don't understand how he can't Read the room. In this situation, it is very clear to everyone. Madison literally was like, she doesn't like you. I just don't understand.

[Trishell]

I mean, Shep's text is so long and dramatic. It could be a Taylor Swift song at this point.

[Molly]

Yes, but just. I mean, the fact that she's not.

[Trishell]

Responding, I can't even remember what her response was.

[Molly]

I don't think she said it was intense.

[Trishell]

Intense. That's right.

[Molly]

It's not positive.

[Trishell]

That's not exactly the response you want when you, like, pour your heart out.

[Molly]

Oh, she's weirded out. It weirded her out.

[Trishell]

I mean, this whole episode was intense.

[Molly]

My favorite thing about the episode was flamingo yoga. I feel like I would fly all the way to the Bahamas to be rejected by Sienna just to do that.

[Trishell]

I know, right? That was cool. That was very. That was visually very cool. We didn't get a lot of it, but it was very visual. Taylor, Molly, and Rod do yoga with a flamingo. Then Venita, Whitney, and Ryan arrive. Meanwhile, Shep wakes up Craig so he can read him the text he sent to Sienna, too.

[Molly]

Stop. It's like a train wreck when I'm.

[Trishell]

Like, oh, my God, we're gonna have to hear this again. And he's reading it, and they're both just dying, and Sienna still hasn't responded to the text. Craig has the same response as Austin. This relationship is being so forced. I'm like, dude, no. How many times can I say no? But I have to tell you, this was a good episode.

[Molly]

It was. It was. You know what else I thought was weird, though? Whenever Shep was like, I need to go snorkeling, and then Sienna was going to go to the fish fry instead, I'm like, why do you want to go snorkeling so bad? Didn't you say, it's not like you're going to jump out of an airplane? Like, you can snorkel in Florida.

[Trishell]

Right?

[Molly]

It just was weird. And then she didn't end up even going to the fish fry. I mean, she's like, michelle, she wants.

[Trishell]

Nothing to do with him. She's like, I got my 15 minutes. I'm out. Peace, goodbye. I'm never gonna see you again. Guarantee you again. They never saw each other again. I bet you.

[Molly]

Yeah, actually, I agree with you.

[Trishell]

I mean, if she shows up to the reunion, then I'm gonna be like, okay, this girl's like a fame whore.

[Molly]

And. No, but what did you think about her defending herself on Tik Tok? I think that's okay. When people are coming at you.

[Trishell]

Well, yes, I think when Miss. She's not a cast member of that show, and she'll never be back on that show. So when misinformation comes out where. I think where she's mad, what she's mad about is that Ms. Patricia said that she reached out to Whitney first, and then she reached out to Austin. I mean, to Shep. So it made her look like she was a star. So I. Right. So I think that's where the problem lies. And I think now that it's. She's like, oh, no, I'm clearing that up. I am clearing that up. Whitney reached out to me. They had, like, a one line conversation.

[Molly]

Right. But you know what? Whitney has a history of being messy and twisting the story a little bit because he did that with, like, the redhead to Catherine or.

[Trishell]

But what is the appeal to Whitney? I don't get it.

[Molly]

I don't either. He looks like he belongs in the. What is it? Madame Tussauds Wax Museum.

[Trishell]

Right. I'm like, I don't get it. And he's a producer on that show.

[Molly]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't understand at all. Maybe that's the. Maybe that's the appeal for some women.

[Trishell]

Yeah. That he's a producer.

[Molly]

Yeah. They're just trying to get on. Oh, I did have another thing. So they. I had a moment that whenever they were getting ready to go snorkeling, I was like, oh, my God, who is that hot guy? Molly should hook up with him. And I didn't realize it's that guy Ryan, who's has a husband.

[Trishell]

Oh, yes. Yeah.

[Molly]

And so I'm like, where has he been? Like, you can't just, like, throw a really hot guy on the screen with no shirt on.

[Trishell]

I'm like, we haven't seen a lot of Ryan.

[Molly]

No. That's why I thought he was like, some new guy. And I'm like, molly should make out with him. He's married to a man.

[Trishell]

Yeah, he's gorgeous, but I. I don't think that's gonna work out.

[Molly]

He's hot.

[Trishell]

Yes. Most of the group is planning to go to the fish fry today, including Sienna, but Shep won't be there because he's going snorkeling instead. And like you said earlier, like, if he knows she's going to the fish fry, why doesn't he go to the. Why doesn't he want to go to the fish fry? After that big old Long, you know, poured his heart out to her, he's like, nah, I Don't want to see her. I think I'm gonna go snorkeling instead.

[Molly]

Snorkeling. And it's, like, the least cool thing ever. It's not even scuba diving. It's just, like, on the surface with a mask.

[Trishell]

Huh. Huh? Craig thinks it's pointless for Santa to come if Chef won't even be there, which I totally agree. Also doesn't like that he's kicking Shep while he's down. I'm like, hold on. It's. How can you not kick him when he's down? Because this is so ridiculous and embarrassing. Sienna calls Shep and tells him she's not up for the fish fry today. She still feels sick from the alcohol last night, poor thing. Shep brings up the text he sent her. Oh, my God, again? And she admits it was very intense. Heartfelt. She thinks she wants to talk to him about it in person before he leaves. In his confessional, Shep says they have something really special, so he doesn't think she could possibly step away from that.

[Molly]

That's crazy. I mean, I feel like we're gonna see. I don't know, are we going to see the breakup happening on camera, or is she just going to ghost? I feel like she might ghost.

[Trishell]

She's going to go, there is no us.

[Molly]

Yeah.

[Trishell]

There's no us to break up. Yeah. Like, seriously intense.

[Molly]

And heartfelt is not the response that you want after you told someone you're in love with them.

[Trishell]

Right. And, you know, I mean, I agree with Craig. I mean, at this point in the game, it only. The only reason Santa wants to hang out with a group without Shep is because she wants camera time.

[Molly]

Right. Right. Craig is being a good friend, and he's not engaging with her, and he's immediately. Actually, he sussed it out from the very beginning. And you know what? Craig doesn't have a lot of good reads. Clearly, we're watching his breakup with Paige, but he does have a good read on Sienna.

[Trishell]

Chef Taylor, Molly, and Ryan are snorkeling while the rest of the group go to the fish fry. At lunch, Craig, Sally, and Madison are openly talking about Sienna. Craig is adamant that she gave off really bad vibes, and that's why he left the suite as soon as he got there. Over at snorkeling, everyone seems to be having fun in the water, but as soon as they're out, Shep can't hide his sadness. Poor Shep. Taylor thinks this should be a sign for him to date people his own age. And I totally agree with that?

[Molly]

Yes.

[Trishell]

Like, where do you think you're going, Shep? You're not like this billionaire that's going to get some 22 year old hot piece of ass that's going to. You can parade around.

[Molly]

No, he's trying to George Clooney it, but he's not George Clooney.

[Trishell]

Exactly. Like, get somebody closer to your age. She doesn't have to be, you know, in her 40s, but at least like late 30s. Come on.

[Molly]

Yes.

[Trishell]

Molly thinks she's the better fit rather than Sienna, which I agree. But Molly, you see the desperation in this guy. Is this really what you want to do?

[Molly]

No, dude, there is nothing that Molly could do that would make me hate her. I just think she's a quirky queen and I think she deserves a quirky nerdy guy and not the cool guy like Shep. Like, I want her to be with a nerd. They make the best husbands.

[Trishell]

I know, but I kind of feel like Shep is a nerd. I kind of do.

[Molly]

Really? I think.

[Trishell]

I don't know.

[Molly]

Maybe that's why so desperately to be.

[Trishell]

Cool in Southern world. But for me, it's a hard past dog with the pants, the belt, the shirt tucked in, the flip flops, and the weird hair parted way over here. Like I'm like, oh, no, grandpa.

[Molly]

Ish.

[Trishell]

Yeah, yeah. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. But do you think Shep will ever fall for Molly?

[Molly]

No, I think she's too normal for Shep. And I think there would be like a real relationship and he doesn't want to confront that.

[Trishell]

So Craig and Madison separate from the group when they head to the and they head to the next bar. Craig tells her that Austin hates him and she doesn't deny it. I don't see the hate. I think he's like annoyed with them.

[Molly]

But these guys need a tampon. Like, they are worse than the women I feel. They're so dramatic.

[Trishell]

I know. And then Craig tells her that Austin hates him and she doesn't deny it. And then it's like, come on, guys, get over this. This is so stupid. You are grown men. Guys don't. Guys I know don't fight about stuff like this. Guys don't fight.

[Molly]

Usually I have one friend and I actually call him Austin. I'm like, you remind me of Austin from Southern Charm. And because he is the one guy that fights with the other guys and gets mad and I'm just like, this is so weird. Yeah. Most guys that I know are not like that. Except for one I know.

[Trishell]

I Mean, now that Craig is single, though, I wonder if their friendship will get back to normal.

[Molly]

Well, remember I told you that I saw Craig in for the super bowl out at Lafitte's in the French Quarter, and I'm pretty sure Austin was there with him.

[Trishell]

Oh, really?

[Molly]

Yeah. So maybe, hey, maybe they're gonna be two single guys out and about.

[Trishell]

Were they. Were they with girls?

[Molly]

There were like three hot young girls, like, fangirling.

[Trishell]

Rumor has it that Paige was there as well, but she was with the guy that she's supposedly not dating.

[Molly]

Yeah, Paige is not going to be slumming it in the French Quarter, though. She is, like, at some nice fancy bar, you know, uptown or somewhere. Yeah. Do these guys are just like, you know, they're like frat guys. They were hanging out with the young girls at the bar.

[Trishell]

Oh, 100%. I mean, I think sometimes when it comes to Craig, like any guys, Craig and Austin, they're kind of outgrowing their friendship. And I really do think, like Craig at this time right now, because when he was with Paige, he really thought, like, he was a big boy now. He was gonna get married. He found his girl. He's gonna get the farm, the chickens, the bees, all the things he wants. And. And you know, Paige was going to be that girl, so he didn't have time for frat boy shit anymore.

[Molly]

Yeah. And. But now he's back to square one. Now he's going to be hanging out with Austin again.

[Trishell]

Oh, I think so too. I think so too.

[Molly]

But you're right. I think that sometimes people outgrow friendships, and that's really sad. And I think that Austin didn't want that. He saw that happening and he was kind of nervous. But I feel like they're back together. Next season will be fun and interesting.

[Trishell]

Yeah, it will. All right, guys. Well, until next week, that is Southern charm. We'll take a break and then we'll get to. Traitors Season 3 Episode 9.

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[Trishell]

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[Trishell]

There'S no better person to recap traders than with you.

[Molly]

That's right.

[Trishell]

Won the season that I was on.

[Molly]

This season, I mean, I didn't have high expectations because I felt our season was so good, but it's really surprising me. I think it's. I think.

[Trishell]

I think. I think the season is amazing. I thought the same thing. I thought, you know, not because my participation, because I got booted by episode five, but just because of the cast. But this one is good. And the fact that Tom Sandoval is still on there, to me is freaking mind blowing.

[Molly]

I mean, but here's the thing. He's so unlikable. Why would you get rid of him?

[Trishell]

I don't know. I would want to get rid of him just because he is unlikeable.

[Molly]

Actually, that's true. You do. You wanted to get rid of Kevin, like, the first day you met him.

[Trishell]

Kevin, I'm like, nope, you need to go. You chew too loud? No, but. Okay, so let's get started. So Carolyn and Danielle are in the turret. Despite Danielle begging to recruit Britney as a traitor, Carolyn refuses. They both don't trust each other. At this point, it's just a matter of who's able to get the other one out first. Have. I mean, it's crazy that these Traders, since the very beginning, cannot stick together.

[Molly]

No. They fight constantly. They bicker. And it's so funny because when I was watching Carolyn and Danielle in the Torrent at the very beginning, I said, that is just like my husband and I. Whenever he's asking me what I want for dinner, every time he suggests something, I'm like, nope, nope. Like they can't agree.

[Trishell]

Do you think they should have recruited a new trader?

[Molly]

Yes, I do. And I think it should have been Brittany. I actually agree with Danielle.

[Trishell]

Yeah. But do you think it's more fun to watch the Traders not get along than in previous seasons where they stuck together?

[Molly]

Oh, I think it's more fun to watch them fight. I do. Yes. But I. I would like to see Brittany in the mix too, because Carolyn is so jealous of her closeness with Danielle.

[Trishell]

Okay. Carolyn, I am mildly obsessed with.

[Molly]

Yeah.

[Trishell]

Because of her quirkiness and her voice and facial expressions. She's amazing. Great tv.

[Molly]

Yes.

[Trishell]

Next morning, Gabby and Carolyn are the first to arrive. And Gabby pitches the theory that Danielle is a traitor. This time, Carolyn agrees. They both Think Danielle's crying is over the top and their alibi isn't good enough. Danielle has a feeling that Caroline is going to pull one over on her, so she's going to plant seeds to get ahead of her. Dylan. Hot little Dylan. Mr. Abs. Dylan is the last to arrive, which means Sam was last night's murder victim. Was Sam a good choice?

[Molly]

First off, whenever Danielle suggests Sam in the torrid and she's like, he's really smart. And Carolyn says, yeah, but that's very recent. That's exactly how I felt. I'm like, wait, Sam's here.

[Trishell]

Sam has only we. It took eight episodes for Sam to speak.

[Molly]

Exactly. So I know that was just a really funny moment. I do think that he's the right move because he is starting to smarten up a little bit.

[Trishell]

I know. If you had to choose a pair of abs to stay, I'm just changing the game right now. I guess the edge would have to go to Dylan, right?

[Molly]

Yeah. You hate to see the two hottest guys in the castle be the last ones into breakfast.

[Trishell]

I know.

[Molly]

It's a lose, lose situation.

[Trishell]

So at this point, everyone's strategizing after breakfast. They're trying to figure shit out. And Dylan is finally starting to realize that Danielle is a traitor. Britney starts crying because she was so worried that Danielle would be murdered last night and I wanted to kick her.

[Molly]

It is so hard to watch Britney crying and carrying on in these interviews. I'm like, girl, you know that Danielle's a traitor. Danielle doesn't even try to hide it at breakfast. She's, like, excited to see what everyone's reaction is of who she murdered the night before.

[Trishell]

Well, the guilt is eaten away at Danielle and she starts crying as well. Danielle is set on getting Carolyn out and Britney can be a traitor together. So as much as Danielle bugs me, she has Britney fooled. She is like a very good actress in this. And I'm telling like, you know, part of winning is being a great actress.

[Molly]

See, I think that Britney is playing us all. I think Britney knows that Danielle's a traitor. I really do. Because I've seen Britney on Big Brother and it just doesn't check. I. I think that she's smarter and I think that she doesn't want the producers to mess with anything, so that's why she's going along with it in her interviews.

[Trishell]

Well, I did a little research and like you said, Brittany and Danielle competed together on Big Brother. Brittany evicted Danielle from the Big Brother house, so I think Brittany is trying to make up for it.

[Molly]

Okay, that could be true.

[Trishell]

Okay. I don't know. I'm just saying I'm not a gamer here, you know?

[Molly]

Yeah, that could be.

[Trishell]

In today's challenge, they're playing a giant game of chess. They'll have to think like the traitors and answer questions the way they think the traitors would. They bring back Kate Chastain in Parvati, which was nice to see them, but all they were is visuals. Like, they were just dressed like, you know, they were at a Mad Hatter tea party or something.

[Molly]

I just think it's always exciting whenever you see people from another show or another season, whenever you're just, like, stuck with the same cast in the castle.

[Trishell]

Right.

[Molly]

Like, when we saw Dr. Will, I was beyond excited. Just, it's a new person. It brings excitement. Excitement.

[Trishell]

I know. Tom keeps volunteering himself for answers, like, who's the biggest threat to the traders? Who's a leader of the pack? Carolyn isn't going with the group on the third question, which makes Dylan suspicious of her. She guessed the right answer when the rest of the group is guessed wrong. No matter how badly Tom wants to play chess, in his mind, he's playing checkers 100%.

[Molly]

He is such a narcissist. Of course, he thinks that every single question is directed toward him or about him. And I'm like, boys, stop. Like, you are not a threat. You are nothing in this game. It's just hysterical.

[Trishell]

Well, I mean, Dolores looking at him like, you're just a complete idiot. You're a complete idiot. She's like, I'm just going to keep voting for you at the round table because you are an idiot. Um, I think the only reason Tom has lasted this long is because it'd be too obvious if he was a traitor.

[Molly]

I think so, too.

[Trishell]

Cheater, traitor. You know, people would expect it.

[Molly]

Yes, they would. Um, but also for this game, I feel like Carolyn's being kind of obvious.

[Trishell]

She has been quite obvious at times.

[Molly]

There's like, a fine line of being too talkative and to not enough talkative. Like, Dan was not talkative at all on our season, which was weird. Made me think that he was a traitor. But being too talkative like Carolyn could sus. Could make it sus too. Phaedra was the perfect trader because she was in the middle.

[Trishell]

Yeah, she was in the middle. She's praying for everybody. After the challenge, new theories are coming out. Carolyn's still really pushing Danielle's name, but Dylan is more convinced Carolyn is a traitor now versus Danielle, Ivar and Tom don't think Carolyn could pull it off, and if she is, they think she deserves an Oscar. Carolyn starts to get emotional when talking to Dylan and pleading her case. Dylan knows it's either Danielle or Carolyn tonight, and he's terrified to have to choose between them. Danielle learns that Carolyn been throwing her name out again, so she's ready to fight the round table tonight.

[Molly]

You know what? Carolyn really messed up in that challenge, and that's where you can really see who a traitor is. Even Kate mentioned that Carolyn's a trader, and Kate just got there as a guest to host a, you know, competition. Um, Carolyn should not have named herself in one of the games and then outed herself.

[Trishell]

So Danielle and Carolyn are going head to head at the round table. I love the roundtable part. The best out of all of it. And Danielle uses a lot of good points against Carolyn, but it's hard for a lot of people to believe she could pull it off. Carolyn gets emotional again because she feels like no one's listening to her, which happens a lot because of her personality. And then we get like, you know, nobody understands me. And, you know, I feel like everybody that. That.

[Molly]

That I kind of got sad.

[Trishell]

I know it was sad. If I were Carolyn, I. I'd be insulted watching this back, seeing everyone say she couldn't pull off being a traitor, because she. She did.

[Molly]

Yeah, I could. That would have pissed you off. I think that actually I would have pissed me off to seeing people say that. I'm like, hello. Yeah, I can.

[Trishell]

So Dylan has the deciding vote tonight, and he voted for Carolyn. Carolyn's emotional as she says her farewell speech. I thought it was a very good speech. And when she reveals that she was a traitor, everybody freaks out. And then Danielle falls to the floor, shaking and crying, and I'm like, oh, my God, are you.

[Molly]

That was the worst acting I think I've ever seen.

[Trishell]

The worst. If I was there and I saw that, I'm like, she's a traitor. She's a traitor.

[Molly]

She's just insufferable. To me, especially this episode, falling on the ground is too much. And then everyone's like, oh, you did it. I'm like, oh, yeah, I know.

[Trishell]

But Danielle is over the moon, and she's getting all the credit for the banishment. But Gabby's on to her. She thought that fight was traitor versus traitor, especially after we saw Rob and Bob go at it. Even Brittany is starting to agree with her.

[Molly]

Good for Gabby for clocking that the. The Bob the Drag Queen and Boston Rob, because that's exactly what we just witnessed.

[Trishell]

Yeah. I mean, I didn't think Danielle can get any more insufferable until I watched her fall off her chair, shaking, crying. I just.

[Molly]

What are the viewers.

[Trishell]

I need her to be gone. I need her to be banished. Just heard people can't stand her.

[Molly]

Oh, okay.

[Trishell]

Just said people can stand her.

[Molly]

Got it. Okay. Well, that makes sense.

[Trishell]

Yeah.

[Molly]

But, you know, I don't understand why the faithfuls aren't going back to the beginning and looking at behaviors for the traitors from the beginning. Because if they did, they would have saw that Danielle was so suspicious whenever she. Whenever Derek was in the game and she saved him instead of putting her own picture up, that whole thing. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like maybe they're not taking notes like we did in our season.

[Trishell]

Well, it's. Maybe not. It's getting very interesting because what do we have a couple more episodes left? There's hardly anybody left. If you had to predict who's going to win Traders, who do you think it is?

[Molly]

I think it's going to be the Faithfuls. I don't think that the Traders are going to win. I think it's going to be the Faithfuls, and I think it's probably going to be Dylan, and maybe it's going.

[Trishell]

To be Dylan or Dolores.

[Molly]

Dolores. Yeah.

[Trishell]

Or it could be both of them. Like when you won, you won with ct.

[Molly]

Yes. I could see Dylan and Dolores winning together. That's. I like that. That duo.

[Trishell]

I love that duo. So Danielle heads up to the turret alone. Per the rules, she will now recruit another traitor to join her. This will be the last time she can do this in the game. Danielle will offer one faithful and ultimatum tonight and meet them face to face in the dungeon. After she recruits an accomplice, they will make a murder. Tonight, Brittany is called down to the dungeon to meet the traitor for recruitment. She wonders if it's Danielle, but she thinks it's too obvious for the two of them to be traitors together. Do you think Danielle's recruiting Britney is a good idea?

[Molly]

No, absolutely not. Because I. If I were Danielle, I would recruit someone like Dylan who already was looking at me and would vote against me. She already has Britney in her corner, so why would she take away a vote for herself?

[Trishell]

Yeah, that's true.

[Molly]

I just feel like Danielle's not that strategic.

[Trishell]

Do you think that Brittany will tell Danielle that Gabby accused her of being a traitor on Traitor Fight?

[Molly]

Yes, because Britney is. Her nose is so far up Danielle's ass, she'll. She'll probably end up going home before Danielle.

[Trishell]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's it until next week, guys. So thank you so much, Michelle. You're gonna have so much fun at Mardi Gras.

[Molly]

Thank you.

[Trishell]

Thank you. Showing your boobies to anybody. Woo.

[Molly]

I sure will.

[Trishell]

And we're just asking those viewers to keep praying for our Teddy Jo. So I'll see you next week.

[Molly]

All right. Bye girl.

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