Being Mean Girl-ish (RHOP Recap)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

Episode: Being Mean Girl-ish (RHOP Recap)
Date: November 4, 2025
Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp & Dolores Catania (guest co-hosting)
Main Focus: Recapping Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP) Season 10, Episode 5 and discussing “mean girl” behavior among the cast.

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Episode Overview

This episode of Two Ts In A Pod delves into the dynamics of Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP) S10E5. Teddi and Dolores discuss the ongoing group trip, the mounting tensions, and instances of "mean girl" behavior directed at certain cast members—especially Stacy and Angel. Their recap is peppered with personal anecdotes, inside Housewives knowledge, playful banter, and reflections on empathy (or the lack thereof) seen on the show.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up and Housewives Comparisons

• Hosts’ Recent Activities: The episode opens with Teddi and Dolores exchanging personal stories—Dolores helps her son move, Teddi attends events (03:27–07:30).
• Desperate Housewives Crossover: Dolores is excited to appear on Terry Hatcher's Desperate Housewives recap podcast, noting the show's influence on the Housewives franchise (09:42).
  • Quote: "They paved the way for us." —Teddi Mellencamp (10:02)

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2. RHOP Recap: Season 10, Episode 5

The Group Trip and Social Dynamics

• The cast is still on vacation, with much of the drama centered on dinner table confrontations and group games (10:58).
• Stacy and Monique: Speculation about Stacy's connection to Monique's ex, Chris Samuels, arises—Dolores and Teddi debate if the drama is organic or manufactured (11:07–11:53).
  • Quote: "If she did, that just makes her a good housewife. She’s over there just stirring the pot." —Dolores (11:38)
• Stacy as a Target: Dolores defends Stacy against repeated attacks, calling out the group’s "mean girl" tendency (12:09).
  • Quote: "I don't like mean girl stuff all the time. When they do it to the same person over and over, I don't like bullies." —Dolores (12:29)
• Housewives Labels & Stigma: The hosts discuss how once someone is dubbed a 'villain' or 'liar' on a Housewives show, the label sticks (13:11–13:21).
  • Quote: "Once you get that stigma, it’s very hard to break. Once you’re dubbed something..." —Teddi (13:11)

Angel & Kiana: The Outsiders

• Games Lead to Exclusion: During a "who would you kill" game, Angel is visibly hurt after being called a "catfish" and feels ostracized (16:11–17:13).
• Empathy and Insecurity: The group’s lack of support for Angel and Kiana is called out; both hosts highlight how isolating the environment can be for new or less established cast members (13:46–14:17, 26:14).
  • Quote: "This show breeds paranoia. It's like a petri dish for paranoia." —Teddi (14:09)
• Support within the Group: Dolores and Teddi suggest that Angel and Kiana need to stick together amid the group’s hostility (27:51–28:29).
  • Quote: "They should definitely stick together. They're going to need each other through this." —Teddi (27:51)

Giselle’s “Catfish” Comment and Fallout

• Impact on Angel: Giselle calling Angel a "catfish" leads to emotional fallout, with Angel feeling especially sensitive post-baby (17:02–18:43).
• Apology Scene: Giselle attempts to make amends, but the hosts observe she's uncomfortable and not fully empathetic (18:15–18:43).
  • Quote: "Giselle was nervous. She got very blotchy and red when she saw her crying." —Teddi (18:43)
• Stacy’s Bullying: The relentless "mean girl" focus on Stacy is re-examined, with Teddi and Dolores wondering how she remains unbothered (29:20–30:29).
  • Quote: "She’s totally unbothered... She puts up with so much shit without any retaliation and it works for her." —Teddi (33:56)

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3. Personal Perspectives and Housewives “Realness”

• On Using Filters: Comments about “filtering” on social media and how universally common it is among the Housewives (25:12–25:54).
  • Quote: "Listen, who doesn't use filters?" —Teddi (25:25)
• Housewives Friendship Dynamics: The hosts share their real-life and show-related experiences with feeling like outsiders or targets—relating to RHOP cast members' struggles (13:52–14:09, 28:16–28:29).
• Housewives Hazing: Dolores recalls her own experiences of feeling paranoid and "on edge" through her seasons (13:56).
  • Quote: "This is a hard group. It's going to be: can you handle this?" —Teddi (29:08)

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4. Lighter Moments and Notable Quotes

• Dolores’s Son's "Closet" Joke: A running joke on Reddit about Dolores’s son and being “in the closet” (08:41–09:27).
  • Quote: "So I'm in the closet too, Mom." —Dolores's son, Spencer (09:24)
• Host Bloopers: Teddi gets the hiccups, leading to a comic attempt at folk remedies (43:01–48:09).
• Housewives Anecdotes: Dolores and Teddi reflect on gum-chewing, breath fresheners, and the infamous "bad breath" storyline involving Stacy (34:34–35:33).
  • Quote: "Do you think she really has bad breath?" —Teddi (34:34)
• Personal Jabs: Playful joking about practical jokes with husbands (32:19–32:37).
• Reality vs. TV Ethics: Strong opinions about what’s fair game for on-camera vs. off-camera gossip in Housewives world (46:27–47:07).
  • Quote: "If I text you something off camera, and then you go—wrong. Character flaw." —Dolores (46:59)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|--------------------| | 03:27 | Dolores and Teddi catch up, share personal updates | | 09:42 | Dolores guesting on Desperate Housewives podcast | | 10:58 | Start of RHOP S10E5 recap | | 11:07–12:09 | Stacy & Chris Samuels’ storyline discussed | | 13:46–14:17 | Angel & Kiana feel excluded; “petri dish for paranoia” | | 16:11–18:43 | Angel’s feelings hurt by “catfish” comment; Giselle’s apology | | 25:12–25:54 | Filter use in Housewives world | | 27:51–28:29 | Angel and Kiana need to stick together | | 29:51–30:29 | Stacy’s coping mechanisms, “unbothered” persona | | 32:19–32:37 | Practical joke about texting husbands “sex” | | 34:34–35:33 | “Bad breath” and Housewives self-care talk | | 46:27–47:07 | Ethics of sharing off-camera gossip in Housewives | | 47:38–48:14 | Conclusion: episode wrap up and what's next |

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Overall Tone

The hosts balance playful, self-aware banter with sharp critique of Housewives dynamics. Their commentary is both empathetic ("I don't like bullies," "the show breeds paranoia") and insider-savvy, making frequent references to unspoken rules and the lived reality of being a Housewife.

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Memorable Quotes (with Timestamps & Attribution)

• "If she did, that just makes her a good Housewife. She’s over there just stirring the pot." —Dolores (11:38)
• "This show breeds paranoia. It's like a petri dish for paranoia." —Teddi (14:09)
• "Once you get that stigma, it’s very hard to break." —Teddi (13:11)
• "She’s totally unbothered... She puts up with so much shit without any retaliation and it works for her." —Teddi (33:56)
• "If I stick up for you and you’re not credible, then I lose credibility." —Teddi (33:15)
• "If I text you something off camera, and then you go—wrong. Character flaw." —Dolores (46:59)

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Summary/Takeaways

• RHOP S10E5 is marked by group fragmentation and what the hosts call classic “mean girl” behavior, especially targeted at Stacy and Angel.
• Dolores and Teddi are critical of the lack of empathy displayed on RHOP and warn listeners that the same exclusion and labeling happens across Housewives franchises.
• The episode features not just recapping but also advice about navigating Housewife group dynamics, reality TV ethics (what’s fair game on-camera), and working through feelings of paranoia or insecurity.
• Lighthearted asides and personal stories about family, practical jokes, and Housewives “wellness hacks” (like breath fresheners and gum) offer comedic relief amid the heavier discussion.

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For listeners seeking a recap, this episode offers keen Housewives analysis, relatable veteran advice on surviving reality TV, and plenty of fun, self-deprecating humor.

Transcript

[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

Two t's in a pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tama.

[Dolores Catania]

Hey, guys. Welcome to another episode of Two Teas in a Pod with myself and the one, the only, Dolores Catania.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Come to New Jersey.

[Dolores Catania]

I want to come to New Jersey.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Can you just.

[Dolores Catania]

When can I come?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Anytime.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay. I'll be there for Thanksgiving and Christmas.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, good.

[Commercial Narrator]

Are you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You don't want to come here for that. So it's an Italian thing. You know, they say the seven fishes, but we've kind of gotten away from that. We have all different kind of food, but it's very informal and just kids.

[Dolores Catania]

I like informal. In case you have. Yes. Do I look like.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Look at you.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't even, like, take a shower before I do the podcast.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But we like it because that's us. Yeah, we're real. That's real.

[Dolores Catania]

Little makeup.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I put on some lip gloss.

[Dolores Catania]

Just a little. So what are you up to? What have you been doing? You're always so busy. I see you on Instagram all over the place.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, I've been all over. Yeah. So I went to a gala this weekend. What else? I went to a baby shower.

[Dolores Catania]

I'd have to say, when I saw the pictures of the baby shower, I thought it was. At first, I thought it was your son's fiance.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They look alike because they're all in the beauty business.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay. So I go, oh, my God, she's gonna be a grandmother. And she didn't tell me.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, my God, I would totally tell you.

[Dolores Catania]

And then I looked. I'm like, no, no, no. Oh, I got a busy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's in the picture. What'd you do? Yeah. All weekend.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, Eddie's out of town right now. He's on a dirt bike ride. Where they're out in the middle of, I don't know, Northern California with a bunch of guys. They are so fun. Roasting pigs. And he's. Eddie's like, oh, my God, babe, you would even believe this setup that they have. That's a bunch of guys. It's older guys that used to be, like, professional motorcrossers. Now Eddie's only been doing it for maybe nine years. And he's like, they. These guys are kicking my ass. Really kicking my ass. And he's like, yeah, he's like.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And he's in shape, too.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, he's a little bougie when it comes to, like, hotels and things like that. That's one thing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I wouldn't think that he was. I am.

[Dolores Catania]

I, I. I don't care. Doesn't matter. I mean, I like a nice hotel, but it's not like I have to have to have one. But he's sleeping in a sprinter. He's slee. In a Sprinter van. He's not sleeping in a tent. And he's got the top bunk. And he says it's literally like a coffin. There's like, four inches above his face. I go, how are you doing?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You cannot do that. I cannot.

[Dolores Catania]

I go, I would sleep in the driver's seat. There's no way I can do it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I would sleep on the floor. I would. And it. Do not put me in an enclosed space.

[Dolores Catania]

No, no, no, no. So he's like, I just. I'm popping two vena gummies and I'm out.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, that. That's different then. Yeah, that makes it Toler.

[Dolores Catania]

So I've been doing. My son Spencer moved over the weekend, so I was with him, helping him put things away, because you know how boys are. If you don't go over there and help, the boxes will sit there for two months.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, but I kind of like that stuff. I would have come with you to do that if I was around. Like, I've. I've showed up to a friend's house who was, like, getting divorced and moving and packed her whole house. That kind of stuff I love.

[Dolores Catania]

So funny, funny conversation. We're talking and we're moving, and he's like, mom, when you were in Big Bear, we were talking on the phone, and then you got another phone call and you had to click over. I think it was with you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And I didn't mean to take you from.

[Dolores Catania]

No, no, listen. He goes, I heard your whole conversation. I go, you sat there and listened. And he goes, well, I'll tell you. When he hung up, I'll tell you. It was about our interview with Joanna Krupa. So we were talking about the interview we're doing, and then we brought up like, we are not going to talk about the Brandy stuff. And we said. And he's like, what? I got weirdo. You listen to that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

He heard the smelly pussy hole. And I go, mom, that's just what every mom talks about.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. He's like, mom. And I go, well, why were you listening? He goes, it was just weird that we were like.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And he waited that long time. Oh my God, Spencer, what you must think of Aunt Dolores. I know.

[Dolores Catania]

At first I thought that I was talking with my assistant Kaden. Kaden's like, I never had that conversation with you. He goes, I was at Disney World. And I go, oh, maybe it was Dolores. I can't watch Dolores. I'm down. So guys, be careful when you switch over to another phone call. But then again, I'm not very good with that stuff, so I'm very careful. I probably like did a three way call or something and didn't know I did it or something.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, you merged the call.

[Dolores Catania]

I obviously. Obviously. So guys, moral of the story is be careful when you switch over. Make sure.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then you have to make sure that both names is in across the top of the screen. You could have really got us in a pinch. Thank God it was just Spencer. Imagine if it was like Joanna hearing us talk about.

[Dolores Catania]

I know, what was stuff that we said we were not going to talk about.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then.

[Dolores Catania]

So we're helping him move and I said, where's all your, your linens and stuff? He goes, in the closet. He goes, evidently I am too. I go, what? He goes, so there's this Reddit thread.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, that's so funny.

[Dolores Catania]

So there's this Reddit. He started laughing. He goes, there's this Reddit thread that. Well, I sent it to him a while ago and it said, well, you know, Tamara is so liberal because she has a gay son and somebody goes, so Spencer's gay? And so I sent it to him like I don't know, a couple of weeks ago. And he's like, good morning to you too, mom. He's like. And he starts laughing and he goes, no, everybody's sending it to me.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

He sounds so cute though.

[Dolores Catania]

He's funny. He is so funny. He goes, yeah, so I'm in the closet too, mom.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm like, okay, let me tell you, our boys got a real package with their moms. I'll tell you that's funny.

[Dolores Catania]

But okay, let's get going. I'm head to tell LA today. Guess what I'm doing.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

What are you doing?

[Dolores Catania]

I am going to be on Terry Hatcher's Desperate Housewife recap podcast.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I love that. I mean this is such a fun thing.

[Dolores Catania]

So cool. For me, because, you know, that was one of my favorite favorite.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It was good. And they.

[Dolores Catania]

They paved the way for.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I was gonna say because sometimes, you know, it's funny because people call us Desperate Housewives. Like people that don't know the real name of this show, like, say you meet just like some regular. They're like, oh, yeah, Desperate Housewives. It's. No, it's. Right. We sometimes are dubbed that literally and on accident. But yeah, it's. That's really cool because I used to watch that show too.

[Dolores Catania]

We are the weekend I laid in bed and because no one was home, Sophia was gone, Eddie was gone, me and Rugby laid in bed and watched Desperate Housewives.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It was like a great weekend.

[Commercial Narrator]

I know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay, so what do you have to recap?

[Dolores Catania]

Like see Season 1, Episode 16.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Now, how many seasons did they have?

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, my God, I think like 9 or 8 or 10. I mean, they have a lot. They have a lot. They have a lot.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They really good.

[Dolores Catania]

They started two years before Orange county did.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Was that long ago? Yeah, they were the original.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. So let's get into Real Housewives of Potomac, Season 10, Episode 5. The girls are at dinner. They're still on vacation right there for a change.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Wow.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. Really? They're still on their trip. Stacey says that she's just a good friend with Chris Samuels. So at this point in time, did the cast know Monique was going to be returning? Is that why this is being brought up?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I think so, yeah. Yeah. I have to say it's not a coincidence.

[Dolores Catania]

But the crazy thing is is Stacy and Monique have never met. So even if she was, I mean, I don't know. We haven't really.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's not off limits. Listen, he's all is fair in love and war, right.

[Dolores Catania]

He's not off limits. But when she's seeking him out because she knew that he was going to be on the show, but if she did, that just makes her a good housewife. She's over there just stirring the pot. I don't feel like she did.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, No, I don't. I feel like she just went for it. Stacy, no. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Can do no wrong in my eyes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You really like. I think she. Let me tell you, sometimes I feel bad for her because they're hard on her. She's very pretty.

[Dolores Catania]

She's gorgeous. She's absolutely gorgeous.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And she handles herself so well.

[Dolores Catania]

I know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She never loses her.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, her comment when they're coming from for her, she's like, I'm gonna live my best life in my nameless Robe and have a good time.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She didn't get. Oh, geez. They are really. I don't. I don't like mean girl stuff all the time once in a while, but, like, when they do it to the.

[Dolores Catania]

Same person over and over again, that's. I don't like bullies a little too much.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It is. And she's not. No one comes to batt for her. But this was a. This was a pretty emotional episode.

[Dolores Catania]

I think what happens in all these shows, if somebody gets caught in some lies, then they just. Okay, we just keep going. Keep going.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I feel like she does lie all the time.

[Dolores Catania]

Little, little white lies. I mean. I mean, if. If it's true that she paid that guy.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We never got to the bottom of that.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, so it's alleged, but we don't really know. But, you know, the problem is that the. Once you put that out there in housewife world or, you know, it's aired, people have that opinion for sure.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Listen, once you get that stigma, it's very hard to break. Once you're dubbed something.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes, yes.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Then you're always that, I am the villain.

[Dolores Catania]

It's me. I'm always. You're Switzerland. You got the halo. We're like this.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

How do you make a heart? I don't even know how to do that.

[Dolores Catania]

Anyway, love you, Stacy. The girls celebrate Wendy's birthday, and they play a game. Kiana says she's been. She's seen enough of the girls for the day. She's like, peace out. I'm out of here. I don't want to play this game.

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She feels.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I feel like she feels like she doesn't fit in. And, you know, I think she feels like the odd man out.

[Dolores Catania]

That's a horrible feeling. I felt like that all season long.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

I feel like I might have done it to myself. I mean, I remember one point, Heather, Debra saying to me, goes. She goes, why are you so paranoid this season? I go, my nerves, when they get rattled, my nervous system is just a mess.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

On a good day. This show breeds paranoia. I know it breeds it. It's like a petri dish for paranoia.

[Dolores Catania]

Exactly. Ashley asked Wendy if she's been attracted to women sexually. Ashley is a very sexual person.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Let's get back to that. Ashley's a very sexual person. Yes. Is it starting to annoy me? You know, always has.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. I just tell. I know you well enough that you're like, oh, here we go. It started to annoy me a little bit because everything is sex. Wendy says, yes. She was a stripper and she had braces. Not a stripper with braces.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I want to see her. Can we find her? Wendy. I want to text Wendy Osafa, by the way, she looked great in that dress.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, she's got an amazing body.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, she does. Well, she has. She had a tummy tuck from Dr. Joseph Michaels. Oh, yes, she did. And I called. She called me and I said, wendy, put your big girl pants on and go get it done. He's the best. You will not regret it. And she is, like, a couple years out, and she looks amazing. She's got to be six years out from her tummy tuck.

[Dolores Catania]

She looks amazing. But, I mean, obviously she wasn't too turned on by the. She's got a great body because she was looking at her teeth, right? She was looking at her teeth.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

The braces turned her on, you know? That's so funny.

[Dolores Catania]

Maybe she wants her. She wants her next degree will be a dentist. Maybe.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But there's more. There's room for more letters after her name. You could keep going.

[Dolores Catania]

Now, Tia says she was attracted to Rachel Maddow.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Maddow, yes, Maddow.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I.

[Dolores Catania]

This might sound. I don't know who that is.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So Rachel Maddow is a newscaster on msnbc.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. They showed a picture of her. Now, have you ever been attracted to a woman?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I have found women pretty, but not where I want to be with them.

[Dolores Catania]

Gotcha.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

In that way. Like, I'm like, oh, you know.

[Podcast Announcer/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

So angel says if she had to kill someone, she would kill Giselle because she called her a catfish. I mean, that's like.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Who. Who said that?

[Dolores Catania]

Was it Wendy? It's like they're playing this game, and it's like, who would you kill? And I'm like, jesus.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I know. So that's. This is the thing. She was very. I feel like her feelings were very hurt, and they're. And they're trying to pull it off. Like, oh. Because she wasn't. She was fine that night. That. Why did she go back to her room and then be upset? Because sometimes when people's feelings are hurt, they put on a face. That girl was.

[Dolores Catania]

Especially when you have a camera there. When you have a camera, you're like, do I get upset? Do I not. Is this silly? Like. And then you go back. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So the girls are kind of being mean, girlish, and they're saying, like, oh, is she gonna cry again? Listen, we all don't feel our best after we have babies. We don't.

[Dolores Catania]

She.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's not feeling her best self.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, the scene coming up breaks my heart for her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes, yes. So she was truly, like, her feelings were hurt. I believe that. But when Giselle sat in front of her, did you notice Giselle's chest got all blotchy and red?

[Dolores Catania]

Uh huh huh.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Now Jazzy is doing a little bit too much for my liking. Like, she's like, maybe her personality is a catfish too. Like, I just feel like. Just take your foot off her throat.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, guys, come on. When somebody don't kick somebody when they're down, she's hurt. She's not feeling her best self. Although her husband seems very supportive.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. Well, the next morning, angel and Giselle talk. This talk, like, had me, like, almost in tears. And through tears, angel says she is disappointed in Giselle. Giselle says that she didn't mean to hurt her, but I. It was. It was mean of Giselle to do that for sure. Right? Don't you think?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Dolores Catania]

And then prior to Angel, Giselle talking, Angel was talking with. Was it okay? That conversation kind of broke my heart because they do flashbacks of her and do all this stuff and she's just saying, like, but, you know, my husband loves me. He likes me just the way I am. I got a husband and I got a husband husband. So Giselle says that she didn't mean to. To be hurtful.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Giselle was nervous. She got very blotchy and red when she saw her crying. She felt bad about it. But Giselle kind of like, makes light of it and is kidding around. Can I hug you? No. She goes, I'm going to give you a little hug anyway. And then, like, she patters out.

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

So Giselle, you know, Giselle was being. I don't think she was being empathetic to a woman who just had a baby and isn't feeling herself and it just wasn't nice. Listen, who doesn't use filters?

[Dolores Catania]

We all can say, okay, face app is amazing. We all use it to what degree is a whole nother level?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Sometimes it looks like a bobble had somebody else faces on the body.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, I mean if it was something that was so extremely drastic. Then I'd be like, okay, poke fun. But I felt like the way it was brought up was like it was some serious. Like, she committed a crime.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. It was a low blow. Yeah. I mean, it was a low blow. I'm. I'm sure Giselle didn't mean to hurt her feelings, but how else could she not? So I think that Kiana and Angel are getting it. They're getting their hazing. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, I feel bad for angel because I feel like she's kind of out of her comfort zone on the show right now. Like, she hasn't really found where she fits in. And she is so very sweet.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And, you know, Kiarna didn't start off good with her as a friend, because last episode, Kiarna said, chin check. I'll chin check her. And I think that Angel's a better friend to Kiana. Thank you. Then Kiana is start.

[Dolores Catania]

But she did have something to say. When Giselle said, can I give you a hug? She's all, no, I'm good. I'm good.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And then, like, Giselle was like, okay, okay. Let me just. This isn't funny right now. This is.

[Dolores Catania]

Listen, I love Giselle. Giselle.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I like Giselle.

[Dolores Catania]

Giselle stirs the pot. But what comes along with that is the villain role.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

The villain label.

[Podcast Announcer/Ad Voice]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

I don't think Giselle wants to be dubbed the villain.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I don't think she does because she's nice. I like Giselle.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, I. I do, too. She is fun. She's beautiful. She's beautiful in real life. She's. She's just.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's a great person. I love her and Robin's friendship.

[Dolores Catania]

I love Robin, but I miss Robin.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I miss Robin so much. She should still be there. But if I don't have my glasses on, sometimes I think I'm. I think Giselle is me.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. Is that funny?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Is that me?

[Dolores Catania]

Sometimes I see pictures of Kathy Hilton, and I think it's me. I swear. So Kiara and Ashley talk over breakfast. Kiarna says she was upset for Angel. Kiara also feels that Wendy makes her feel disconnected.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. So these girls are feeling insecure in this group. I don't think that they've. You know, I think that they don't feel welcome, and they should definitely stick together. They're going to need each other through this. And then you look at Stacy, who's on an island by herself and just being like, you said I had halitosis. There's worse things you could say about me.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, at least we're not talking about her breath anymore. Breath check.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Does that work?

[Dolores Catania]

No, I guess it doesn't.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Okay, so it's Kiarna's second season. And, I mean, I always feel like you can never judge a housewife by the first season, the second season. That's when you're going to know what kind of housewife you are.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

If you make the second season. And now she has her friend on, and I think they. They should definitely stick together.

[Dolores Catania]

The other girls talk in the cabana. Wendy says that she wishes angel and Kiana would stop bringing the mood down.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, why don't we sit with these girls and ask them how they could. Well, how we can make them feel better in the group, because they are feeling right now like the pariahs here.

[Podcast Announcer/Ad Voice]

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes.

[Dolores Catania]

Like, maybe go ask them. Maybe go talk. Maybe stop making fun of them. But Wendy says it's giving the sad sister duo.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah. There's no empathy here. This is a hard group. They are going. They are now. It's going to be like, okay, can you handle this?

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, she is so unbothered.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

When they attacked her at the table, I almost thought she was gonna cry.

[Dolores Catania]

Have we seen her?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

See, she kind of went like this.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Maybe she's just. I feel like she's just putting on a strong face, but I feel like when she's not filming, she probably goes home and cries in her room.

[Dolores Catania]

You think so? She just seems just so unbothered. And, like, everybody thinks, like, I'm super tough, but then I'm the one that will go and cry in my room afterwards a little bit. Just like.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

But Stacy has to have feelings. Like she's getting, like, pounced on all the time, and she's just like, okay, everybody, you know, and she's still nice.

[Dolores Catania]

Did she.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I commend her. I'm sorry. I do.

[Dolores Catania]

Did she ever admit to reaching out or dating Monique's ex husband?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, she did. She said, so what? We're friends.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, they're just friends.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Do something about it. Like, she didn't say that, but she's like, we're. We're. We're friends. We were going through the same thing. We have things in common. And yeah, we're friends, so.

[Dolores Catania]

But then she also said, I'm back with my husband.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, but she got a little nervous there. She was nervous.

[Dolores Catania]

Do you think we're gonna.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She was like a little bit shaking. Like, she didn't. She's like. Shows her ring. She's like, I'm. I'M back with my husband.

[Dolores Catania]

Do you think we're gonna see more of the. The husband?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I do.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, we got a call that. I mean, text. That's about it. So the girls go to Alexander Hamilton's house. Jazzy asks angel why she was so bubbly last night and then was in a bad mood in the morning, as if she's not allowed to have any feelings. Angel says she slept on it and woke up annoyed. She woke up and chose.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

They showed them back at the room, and her and Kiarna were both upset and feel they were in their feelings. Is that the word? How is that the phrase? In your feelings? So they were both in their feelings. They tried to be tough girls, and then they went back to the room and felt like shit. And you know what? That happens. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

But production was so quick to show the footage of angel changing her tune when she spoke to Kiara, so it's okay. Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I feel like she was just trying to put on a face and then went back to the room and, like, kind of let it out. They both let it out.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. But Stacy, what do you think? I think the same thing. I mean, she got her feelings hurt. Big deal. You're allowed to be upset about something.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Like, leave her alone. But Stacy texting her husband sex. And texting. He text her back. Is this the wrong number or you have the wrong number? I think that was him just being funny because it wasn't. Like, there was more to it. Like, he. He said, like, I don't know, there was a conversation before that. Like, now or something like that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Well, guess what? I don't think it was funny. I think he made her look like an asshole. You think I don't like practical? Like, no, not jokes. Like, I don't like stuff like that. Like, I'm not into practical jokes.

[Dolores Catania]

Can you text Paul right now and say sex and see what he says?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Sex.

[Dolores Catania]

Just text Paul and say sex. Text him sex.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I can't because I'm videoing. Oh, that's right.

[Dolores Catania]

Dang it. I would text Eddie, but he's out in the middle of the desert with no WI Fi. So that is. And then, I don't know, I just thought, like, come on, it's not that big of a deal. And then Ashley, you know, she's got to say it. I think Stacy's in a relationship with herself now. I'll tell you this. If we find out that Stacy's not with her husband and her husband comes out after the season's over, then I'm done with that. I'm just Stacy. Then I can't defend you anymore.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, we're being nice to you, Stacey, but I don't like being made a fool out of. So if I stick up for you and you're not credible, that then I lose credibility.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So then I'm going to be pissed off at you.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. And maybe the girls know more than we know. You know, we only know what we're saying.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Do we only know what we say? So in our defense, and in mine and yours defense, we are only speaking from what we see.

[Dolores Catania]

I just don't see Stacy as being a malicious person.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's definitely not malicious, but I don't think she tells the truth all the time.

[Dolores Catania]

Right, well, right, we know that. But even Andy, like, said, like, how much she loves her and how he finds her entertaining.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's entertaining because she's totally unbothered. She gets. She puts up with so much shit without any retaliation, and it works for her. Like, if another housewife was getting attacked like that, and they just sat there and go, yeah, I don't really care. You'd probably get fired. But Stacy is allowed for some reason. Not only is Stacy allowed to do it, it works for her.

[Dolores Catania]

It's because she's so pretty and her voice is so soothing. And I mean, right now on Instagram, there's like, all these reposts of her on QVC and everybody talking about, oh, just look at her.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

She's like, do you think she really has bad breath?

[Dolores Catania]

Don't we all at one point? I don't know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Maybe she doesn't eat.

[Podcast Announcer/Ad Voice]

Maybe.

[Dolores Catania]

Maybe she doesn't eat and she drinks coffee all day. I don't know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I want to know.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, we're gonna see her at BravoCon, so that is going to be your job to go up. No. Sniff Stacy's breath.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Wait, there's these. I'm not gonna advertise them, but there's these. These breath things that I take. It's parsley pills. You ever see them? I hope it's not a post parsley.

[Dolores Catania]

Wait, parsley pills are for your breath?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yes. It's. This is called breath pearls, but you.

[Dolores Catania]

Just have it right there on your desk. Like, you just.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Peppermint oil, parsley seed oil.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, I was thinking oregano. That's like a gnarly smell.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Parsley is for your breath. So I swallow these and I. And I talk to people in their face and think, I have good breath. I hope it works.

[Dolores Catania]

Have you. Have you've been around Jeff Lewis a lot. Do you Notice he does like breath spray all the time.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

My friend Christina Pasina does that too.

[Dolores Catania]

I love the name. I love the names of your friends. Christina Pastina. There's always like, my friends all have.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Vowels at the end of their name.

[Dolores Catania]

But Jeff Lewis is always like popping. I mean, like, I don't know the spray.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, I used it the other night. I went to a party with her and I'm like, can I have your spray? She doesn't leave home without it. It's all day.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, you know that I just read that guy chew gum a lot and my mom told me, stop chewing gum. And I go, why? She goes, your muscles in your jaw are so, like, strong. And I go, I like that. So I just saw something on Instagram that said chewing gum is so good for you for so many reasons. For digestion to your jaw muscles. It makes you not hungry.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

It's.

[Dolores Catania]

It makes your brain think you're eating so you don't want to eat. Like, oh, really good to know then. Mom, I'm chewing gum all the time.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

That doesn't work for me. I was just chewing gum and I'm going to get off the phone when you have a bagel.

[Dolores Catania]

I've been eating a lot lately and I.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We have Bravo Con coming up. Well, you don't have to worry about being fat. Well, I, I got a lot of going on here.

[Dolores Catania]

I got.

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[Dolores Catania]

We were talking about Jeff Lewis earlier. Jeff Lewis has been getting blamed for being the secret disguise caller at the end of the season finale. Started laughing. I have gotten so many people sending me, that sounds like Jeff. I've seen Instagram post saying it was Jeff Lewis. I'm like, it is not Jeff Lewis.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, it is.

[Dolores Catania]

He would never not.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No.

[Dolores Catania]

But I gotta laugh and I. I'm gonna see.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Does he know that I'm gonna.

[Dolores Catania]

I haven't said anything to him, but I'm gonna see him in a few weeks, so I'm gonna. I'm gonna have to bust his balls about that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

So the girls go back to the balls about it.

[Dolores Catania]

I love busting his balls and he loved busting mine. So we have a good time together. So the girls go back to the chateau. Wendy calls Ashley Captain Save a ho by changing the conversation when they asked Giselle about her date with the football player. Now, okay, Giselle wants to be in everybody's business and who they're dating, but she's very, very private about who she's dating.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

He looked cute. He had big arms.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm like, I'd be flaunting that guy all over the place. What you talking about?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Hey, what's the big secret? Share it. Don't be a gatekeeper. Share some info. Giselle, we're proud of you. But apparently the daughters met him and approved. Approved. He's age approved.

[Dolores Catania]

Do you have the hiccups?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I do. I'm sorry, you have.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh my gosh, the hiccups.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You know how you get rid of the hiccups?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, me and Teddy had a whole thing at Yamava where she got the hiccups. And somebody told her, if you put your head upside down and try to drink water, the hiccups will go away.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I'm going to show you really works. My Aunt Millie taught me this years ago.

[Dolores Catania]

Aunt Millie taught you how to get rid of hiccups?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You take a fork.

[Dolores Catania]

Uh huh. You put a fork in your mouth and drink water at the same time. Well, let's see if it works. That's kind of the same concept of leaning. I don't know, it's weird. But okay, we'll see if it works. So the girls go to dinner minus Wendy, who is sick in bed, and she does look so sick. She said she had some kind of bug running around her house. Jazzy says, I think T has filtered her photos a lot too. Okay, Jazzy, I think that we can.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Think of other things to be talking about when the whole world filters their shit.

[Podcast Announcer/Ad Voice]

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[Dolores Catania]

I just think, like, okay, it's enough. It's enough. Like, leave her alone.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We need to stop.

[Dolores Catania]

It's when you're unrecognizable and your face is the blur is when it's like you can laugh about it, but it's only it's not anything that serious.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Or what about when. When the. Somebody filters their picture and tries to make the. Make their themselves skinnier and then it's all like, squirrel swerved in the background.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know. Yeah, I've seen people being called out for that. But if it's not on Facebook, you don't do that.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Because.

[Dolores Catania]

Giselle tells Karen that Wendy was offended that she didn't want to stay to celebrate Wendy's birthday. Jazzy asked Kiana if she's jealous of her, and they all kind of just roll their eyes at that. Because when you say, are you jealous of me? What do you expect the answer to be? Yes. Yes, Dolores, I am so jealous of you. Like what? Especially in a group of girls you're working with.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I have never said that to someone in an argument. I've never said you. You wish you were me or you're jealous of. I don't know where that. A lot of people say that in this housewife world.

[Dolores Catania]

I know Kiana says she loved Jazzy and thought she was a girl's girl, but now doesn't know. Jazzy says Wendy would be an 8.5 level of mad if she knew what Kiana said about her. And that's like. It's like, if you're gonna say that, just say it. It's like, you, Dolores, you're gonna be so mad if I told you what Margaret said about you.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You're gonna be. You can't do that. You can't do that to somebody. Yes. As a matter of fact, I don't want any. Anyone telling me what someone said about me unless they're going to tell me where it came from.

[Dolores Catania]

Right, Right.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Like, somebody said this about you.

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[Teddi Mellencamp]

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[Dolores Catania]

Second of all, like, do I really need to know this? Is it really something I need to know? Like, just.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

And why are you telling me? Like, why are you telling me? Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Yep, yep, yep. So they're all fighting. I Mean, when are they not fighting? So they're fighting now. So Jazzy wants to expose. What Kay said about Wendy is. That's kind of gross, right? When someone has a private conversation with you and then all of a sudden they're exposing. You know what?

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Somebody said very much against that. Unless it's on camera.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, this is like the whole thing about the housewife shows. It's everything you wouldn't do in real life.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, if it's set on camera, it's fair game. There's nothing you can do.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, you mean if it was set on camera? I thought you meant, like, it's okay to show it if it's on camera.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

No, I'm saying, like, if you're sitting with me and I. And I say, shannon, that, blah, blah, blah, and we're filming, you have to go back and tell Shannon.

[Dolores Catania]

Right, right.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

We know that when we do that.

[Dolores Catania]

But if I text you something off camera and then you go, wrong character. Character flaw.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Can't trust that person.

[Dolores Catania]

Right. I feel like Jazzy and Karen are fighting over a spot on the show at this point.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Who do you think's gonna get it?

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know. I don't know. Too soon to tell. Just doesn't make any sense. But it was a good episode. I liked it. Great episode. We're, what, five episodes in, and we. We have a lot. I'm sure we have a lot more to come.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I want to see more of Ashley's love. Love life, what's going on with her.

[Dolores Catania]

I do, too. She talks about sex and things like that a lot, for sure.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Sorry it didn't work, Aunt Millie. It didn't work.

[Dolores Catania]

In the five years I think that we've had this podcast, this Teddy, will she. She has acid reflux and she'll be, like, burping. But I don't think either one of us have ever had the hiccups. So this is. I'm sorry.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

I haven't had the hiccups so long. I don't know why I have them. But anyway.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, my goodness. Well, thanks, guys, for tuning in to another episode of two T's in a Pod. We appreciate you guys listening. Download, subscribe. Do all the things. Follow us on Instagram. We love you all. We love all your comments. Good, Bad, and the Ugly.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Yeah, send them in. We're good.

[Dolores Catania]

All right, Dolores, you have a good day. I'm gonna. Yeah, get ready, have some calls, then head out to la.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

You have a long day, and so.

[Dolores Catania]

Do I. I know, I know.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

All right, well, this was fun. I will see you soon.

[Dolores Catania]

And tomorrow, safe driving. By the way, tomorrow I'm gonna be with somebody. I'll be posting pictures. I can't. I'll tell you. I'll call you and tell you. I'm going to be with an old friend. So I'm very excited and happy about it.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Oh, I can't wait to hear. Yay.

[Dolores Catania]

All right guys, we'll talk to you soon.

[Teddi Mellencamp]

Bye Bye.

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