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Welcome back to another episode of two T's in a Pub. Myself and Dolores, I feel like we took a little break. Did we take a little break? I feel like I haven't talked to you in days.
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No, well, you haven't because the last one I saw on here was Teddy.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. Yeah, I think I was out. So. Yeah, between traveling to New York and the show airing and all that. So have you've been watching Orange County?
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No, because I haven't had time and I don't like interruptions. So tonight me and my dad are going to sit down and watch it together.
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So I watched the first episode and I have not watched the second episode, last week's episode. I can't. I can't get myself to do it because I know it's two people that are just going to. They're just attacking me, creating lies, all this stuff. And I'm like, I don't want to hear it. You know what I mean? I need to protect my mental health right now. And that is stuff I just like. I don't want to get riled up about it. I already got riled up about the clips that I saw. So now I'm like, yeah, I mean.
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People don't understand now. This comes down to, you know, you film it, you go through it and then you relive it. So I did watch some of the first episode, but then I got interrupted. I in my rental here, there's only one tv. I'm afraid to go downstairs by myself. It's an old house. I'm like, there's A TV in the basement.
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Well, you let me know how. What you think about it.
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No, I am. Because you're my friend, and I need to watch. I need to see what's going on. I need to know, because, you know.
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Yep. So reunion Atlanta Reunion Part two. It was good. Do you think it was good?
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You know, these girls did a great job this year. They really, really did. And they all speak their mind. They go at it, but they actually let each other speak. They let each other talk and yell.
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At each other, and they yell right back. And it's like.
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Right. But it's almost. It's yelling, but it's productive yelling. To me, they get to resolution. So the thing that.
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That's your language. That's my language. Like, that's. We. We can connect like that. Like, we could yell at each other. Some cast members in different shows, they're like, oh, I'm tr. Hurt me. It's hard to deal with people like that. So that's why I love watching Atlanta because they can, like, dish it out, and they can just sit there and be like, well, you look 65, you know, and, like, no big deal. Don't care.
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You know what? Not Angela bringing her birth certificate in to prove how old she is. She was born in 81. 1981.
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81. By the way, I had a son that was born in 1985.
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I. I was still in grammar school. No, I think I was just in high. No, I graduated in 1988. I was in. I was, like, in fifth grade, but whatever.
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You were not in fifth grade in 85.
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You graduated in 88, graduated high school in 1980. No, I thought you said 1981.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, you mean. Okay. Yeah, yeah.
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So I'm trying to think where I was in my life. I was in.
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When she was born. Okay? Oh, yeah, you were.
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Yeah, I was 11 years.
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Right. You're right. I was thinking 80. She was born in 85 for some reason. No, 81.
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Okay. So, Angela. All right. Okay. So we don't. You know, it's been a hard season for her.
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Well, she brought it, that's for sure. Now it starts.
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Appreciate her. She held her own.
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Yeah. I mean, for a newbie. Holy moly. It starts out with Andy asking Angela how she was certain Phaedra sent Marcus, you know, and that whole debacle about we didn't get any resolution from this. Like, we don't.
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In. In Italian, we say, we got ugats. Means we got nothing.
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We got dick. We got dick. We got nothing.
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I mean, I'M so on underwhelmed with this. It could have been.
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I expected there to be some kind of like, aha moment. Like, holy. I think that we got it. After the reunion aired, there's been a lot of talk from Marcus, but he's not credible.
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Not. Not this much.
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No, not at all.
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Not even Marcus. I'm not talking shit. I mean, it's just the truth, bro. You're all over the place.
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First it's Angela, then it's this part like, dude, sit down, shut up. I'm embarrassed.
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I'm over it. You know what? I'm already annoyed by it. I'm already annoyed. I don't even want to know who really did it. I. I don't care. I don't care.
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Well, Angela had big, giant balls. She's like. She was going after Phaedra and she was telling her, like, you're. You just did this to secure your spot. You're a self producer.
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Angela. Angela, did you just meet Phaedra? Phaedra's got more secure spots.
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Yeah.
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Than anybody I know. Nobody's got more secure spots.
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I mean, the last person that had secure spots is probably Bethenny Frankel. You know what these girl. Like, she probably has in her contract that she can never be fired. And they probably went, okay, we'll sign that.
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Phaedra's got. She's got a law degree. She's got. She's a mortician. She's.
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She's a Reiki healer.
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She's a Reiki healer.
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Reiki, Reiki. Yeah.
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She to me, was great on your. She. She, you know, she was a great trader. She's wanted everywhere and she's been in and out of a lot of rooms. Angela, we can't belittle what the queen is, but I don't know why. Why Angela's got a hard on for her.
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Oh, she had a huge hard on for her. Now she was saying that she met Charles 10 years ago or new Charles. And. And she's like. Angela's like, no, no, you didn't.
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Yeah.
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Angelia.
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So what if they met? So what? And then. And then going after Phaedra. And I happen to like Angela and I want to speak to her about her hot flashes. But I mean, after going after Phaedra, Will your brother's friend. Facebook and then.
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Yes, sisters, Brothers on Facebook, on MySpace and Dolores. The whole, the whole thing about, you know, them talking about what rooms they're in.
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Yeah. So you get that, right?
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Like, I mean, well, she was like, Oscar, Emmys and I'm like, well, what room are we in? Are we like in Target or Walmart? What room are we in?
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I mean, I could tell you. I'm in CBS most of the time.
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Yeah. Yeah. That's the only room. I'm in my bedroom and I'm in my Target.
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I'm in. Yeah. No, I'm. I don't even know if I'm in a room. I don't even think I qualify for a room at this moment in time. But yeah, I'm in a clock. I'm in a closet.
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I was most impressed that grabbed somebody else's phone to call her brother. And she knew his phone number by heart.
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I thought this. Listen, the love. My brother is the love of my life. I can never say it enough. I know his phone number by heart.
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You do?
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I do.
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Because he had it for like 30 years or something.
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Yeah, forever. 30. 30. 30 plus. Yeah. So I know my brother's number. I know his friend Danny DeAngelis number. I know. I know numbers. When I could remember things. I don't remember numbers from when I started to lose my memory.
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Okay. You know what number I know?
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That makes sense. What. Who's.
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The only number I remember is my childhood phone number. I don't know my husband's number by heart. I don't know my kids numbers.
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I know.
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Yeah. My phone number from when I grew up. Because we had to remember.
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No.
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Who has a landline anymore?
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My mom.
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Okay. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Yeah, it was. It was impressive that she was able to pick up that phone, call her brother. I didn't even.
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Nothing about what she can do.
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I know Phaedra's siblings. I didn't know that she had a brother. A sister.
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I'd love to see me at her. I'd love to meet her family. You know, I always. I always get to know people through their family a lot. And I'd love to meet. I'm. I'm intrigued. And she's an amazing mom, too. I mean, I just.
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Have her siblings been on TV before or. No, I don't. I've never seen.
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Guess what? You've never seen mine either. I'm one of five.
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How come they're not interested?
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Yeah, they would do whatever I told them to do. They'd stand on their head if I told them to do it, but they just haven't really. They never really took an interest in my family. And I figured, why push that? They didn't sign up for this. Yeah, normal people get nervous to do these things, Tamara.
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I Know, well, you know, I had a lot of family members that would do it in the beginning. And then the first time they look bad on the show, they're like, I ain't doing that again. I'm not getting paid to. To look like an ass.
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Exactly.
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So I think my brother got labeled as the angry drunk person at a party.
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Oh, well, my sister did come on one time. She finally made it to air, and they put her down as my cousin.
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Oh, my gosh.
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When she walked in under her name and said, dolores, forget it.
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Forget it. I know that my. The girl that does my hair, Michelle, she texts me and she's like, oh, my God, I finally made an episode. She's been filming with me for, I don't know, 15 years.
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And so funny.
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And she. And it's always. She's got one arm that's tattooed, and you always see her tattooed arm doing the hair. She's like, they even said my name there and everything. And I'm like, oh, wow.
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Oh, God bless her. She finally. Meanwhile, my. The girl that does my hair, Marissa Stissy, they did a whole season about. Because fighting over her.
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Yep.
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When Danielle punched Genaden, it was all over Marissa Stissy.
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Oh, my God. So. Well, when Angela says that someone in Phaedra's circle threatened her with hands.
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It's so funny when Andy hears these things, because they really have the sayings, these girls in Atlanta, don't they?
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I didn't know what it meant.
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Oh, I know what it meant.
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But, like, she was gonna hit her.
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I got hands. So if someone comes up to me and says, I got hands, I'll be.
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Like, and what does it mean?
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It means they're gonna hit you. They're gonna throw down. We're gonna throw.
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So they cut out.
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Like when somebody says, throw hands. You've heard that.
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Yeah.
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So they took the throw out.
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Oh, okay. That's because they bleeped part of it when they were saying it. They bleeped it. And I'm like, I don't understand.
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Not every time.
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No. But at the reunion, they bleep part of what they were saying, so I didn't completely understand it.
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They blee lot of names. Maybe. It was so pissed off that we never resolved the whole Marcus thing that I don't even want to hear anybody else's unless they're coming with.
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I know. I mean, the guys, like, they talked about it being just about everybody on the cast. And then Cynthia comes forward and says, if Angela set this up, this is the biggest.
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The biggest heist. It's like all kinds of heist. No, listen to me. I don't. I don't know what to believe anymore, but I need to move on from it because I don't think. I think it's a very.
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You and Andy Cohen both. He's like, let's go over it.
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Unless you come up and you got true facts, he really don't want to hear it.
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Yeah.
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And you know what else? He hates really bad shit that happens off camera. He's not interested. He's not wasting the reunion, even though that happened on camera. But another pet peeve of his is talking about something that happened with a blogger off camera.
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Well, I think it's a pet peeve of all of ours at this point. You know, Orange County's been hit with that this year and people are like outraged. They're like, stop giving these block. Well, they content creators attention. Because what's happening now is the bottom feeder ones are trying to do something to get their name into the show. And that's where it's getting really bad like that. You know, there's a lot of great content creators out there, a lot of wonderful, amazing that promote the shows that give their opinions. And I love it.
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I am. I embrace them, I invite them. I love their criticism, constructive criticism, and it's a good POV of what's going on and what people that are watching really feel about it. So I love, I love a good one, but I don't like the toxic ones, like the ones that are just out to get their name out and just.
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So we're anyway but you know, moving on from whatever stupid that we got no resolution from.
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Well, Andy asked Angela like where does she stand with the ladies now?
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I don't think anybody was nice to her. Not one person.
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Well, she was very vocal. She was, she was.
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But nobody's nice to her.
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Well, she says that she can move on and she wants to move on.
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Of course she does. She wants to stay on the show and unless people, people want to be your friend, you're not staying.
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Very true. Kelly wanted to dispute that she ever compared her marriage to Angela. But obviously they have flashback show that Kelly said she's been in Angela's position. So I mean you have to, in these shows you have to think 10 steps ahead. You really do.
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You do. But I mean I can't remember what I said this morning. So when you, when you're sitting on that couch Six months, a year later, and you don't. It's a valid excuse to say I don't remember. But you also have to own it and say if I said it. If I said it, you do it. Tamara.
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Yeah, yeah.
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If I said it, then I apologize or I don't. But you can't adamantly deny because if it's coming up, chances are they're going to make you look like a liar and flash that you said it.
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They love doing that.
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Oh, they love it. It's like.
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Well, we talked about it earlier a little bit about Angela having to prove her birth date. Now, Andy brought it in as a question from a fan. Do you think that that was a fair question to ask or was it.
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Like, you know, I. I find that Angela handled all of that really well. Am I mad at him bringing it up? No, because it was such a talked about thing on and off camera. So. But like I said, like, I probably would be upset by that because, you know, I tried to stay looking young. That would really bother me.
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I think it would bother any woman to think that they're. People are saying she looks 10 years older than what she actually is.
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That's a lot. That's 10 years older is a really a lot.
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And then Angela says, like, If I look 53, Phaedra, you look 63. Oh, God, here we go. Here we go.
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Handles her well, too. Let me tell you about Phaedra. She don't lose her cool.
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She doesn't. She did not lose her cool at all.
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She wins.
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This part's confusing. When Andy asked about Angela's rental properties and she basically said she foreclosed on them. And I'm like, how can anybody in this day and age have their properties go into foreclosure?
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Like, she paid too high for them. The market was really high.
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I mean, I don't know the market in Atlanta, but I'm like, isn't it.
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Oh, I don't know it in Atlanta, but there was a time where houses were selling, there was bidding wars over these homes, and people paid a lot more for them. And then the market went south, so. And why buy so many? See, I'm so worried, like, that would give me.
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Well, I would have found something to do. I would have started renting them out or do something to try to hold on to them until maybe the market got better or. It's just very confusing to me.
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I would have to say that she probably tried everything she could before she did that. She was in major debt, this woman. The stress she had I mean, all these women on this cast, I don't know how they did it this season just to talk about her stress alone. She had the financial issue, which that was. It would have been enough to put me in the hospital. Then she had her poor mom passed away. God bless her. She. The mom passed away. Then she had to fight for her marriage and everybody attacking her husband. Then she has Marcus come out of the woodwork or under. From under the rock. And then she has to keep her husband calm that he doesn't punch him in the face and get charged with something.
- [25:17]
A
Yeah, she did. She went through a lot, for sure. Now, Andy did not hold back when he asked Phaedra, like, phaedra, you skipped Married a Medicine reunion? Like, what made you come here? And he really dove into it, like, you skipped the reunion. And, you know, like that. You don't like that? Bravo doesn't like that.
- [25:35]
B
No. I mean, and he had one there that skipped the reunion, too. So it was like throwing salt in the wound. You can't.
- [25:42]
A
But if you decide not to go to the reunion, you're deciding that you're not ever coming back. They won't bring you back.
- [25:50]
B
No.
- [25:50]
A
I mean, unless you're like, a medical concern or something's happened.
- [25:55]
B
Didn't somebody not show up to a reunion on Jersey one time? But then they did come back.
- [26:00]
A
I don't remember. Was. Wait, didn't Mary Cosby or somebody.
- [26:04]
B
Mary Cosby didn't know. People have come back from this, but probably they really have to need you.
- [26:11]
A
They really have to need you. If you're like a no show at the reunion. Like, they don't need Brad.
- [26:15]
B
That's not okay.
- [26:16]
A
They're brave.
- [26:17]
B
That's not okay. Yeah.
- [26:19]
A
Yeah. But she said she skipped Married to Medicine reunion because she had nothing left to give them. And the ladies didn't give her any. Didn't hold any value in her being on the show.
- [26:29]
B
They weren't nice there.
- [26:31]
A
I never watched it, so I don't know.
- [26:33]
B
I did tune in a few times because she was on it, and I felt that she had no connection to anybody on the cast.
- [26:41]
A
I could be wrong, because she's a housewife at heart.
- [26:44]
B
They even brought Apollo to something.
- [26:47]
A
Okay, that's just shitty, I think.
- [26:49]
B
Yeah, they brought Apollo. I feel like that happened. And she was like, are you trying to bother me with that? Like, it didn't work. Like, give me a break.
- [26:59]
A
Well, then Annie moves on and asks me if Portia forgave Phaedra too easily.
- [27:05]
B
Who said that? Andy. Andy did I miss that. Portia for gave.
- [27:09]
A
And this is where I'm like, are we talking about years ago? Like, what happened years ago?
- [27:14]
B
Yeah, that's what he's talking about. But here's the thing. He. He said she forget because they don't like that. Yeah, Rob, I don't like that. All of a sudden you, you know, but, but, you know, why not forgive her? Because Portia didn't catch any flack from that, did she?
- [27:33]
A
I don't think so. Well, Shamia says she was upset.
- [27:35]
B
How does she care?
- [27:36]
A
Yeah, but she, she said that she was upset with Phaedra. Had said, but she downplayed it. Phaedra calls out that Shamia acts cool around her but will bring up things still in interviews. And, and I mean, obviously there's some really bad blood between Shamia and Portia, which is really sad because they've known each other since they were kids. And now it's like, you know, Shamia is still hurt by Phaedra saying she's sleeping with everyone's husband during season nine. So that's where that came from. Now, I love seeing some of the fat flashbacks of Shamia because when she came in this season, I didn't realize that she had been around this group for so many years. But she was never a. Oh, my God.
- [28:24]
B
She was always a. She wasn't even a friend of. She would just, like, show up.
- [28:30]
A
Well, why would Phaedra in the first place say that she's sleeping with everybody's husband? Was there truth to that or did she just pull that out of her ass? It's rumors, Just rumors.
- [28:43]
B
It is rumors. I mean, I don't know if there's truth to it, but it's. It's being said. It's a thing. And I mean, I don't know, but I don't think that's true.
- [28:56]
A
Yeah. Now. Now during lunch, they take a break. During lunch, we see Charles dancing and smiling with his.
- [29:04]
B
He's glad it's over.
- [29:05]
A
Is that what it is? I don't know what it was, but.
- [29:07]
B
I'm like, oh, my God, wouldn't you be dancing?
- [29:11]
A
It was so nice to see him like that.
- [29:13]
B
Was he being nice to her? Because I only saw the part where I'm. I'm glad for her that he. He's giving her that in the end. Like, she needs that. Because I did, I did walk away from. I was doing something, and I maybe just missed that part. I saw when they took their break and Shamiya and. And Kelly were talking, and then I just For a second, I didn't watch it.
- [29:41]
A
But, yeah, so, yeah, it was a split, split second. But he came in, he was dancing, and she was dancing, and they were all excited.
- [29:49]
B
Finally got that. But she stood by her man. She deserves.
- [29:52]
A
Dennis shows up. Dennis.
- [29:54]
B
I know.
- [29:55]
A
I was a little bit shocked. I mean, I know there was a lot of talk about him, but he's not dating anybody on the show, so, like, he's not attached romantically to anybody on the show. So I'm like, why is he there? But then I'm like, ah, I get it. There's a lot going on between Portia and Drew, the whole triangle.
- [30:12]
B
Yeah. No, he absolutely should have been there. And I wonder if he's going to clear up some things, because, you know, they really calling Drew out for being a liar on so many levels.
- [30:25]
A
They do that every single year. Every year.
- [30:29]
B
Yeah. So, you know, he does. Do I think something happened between the two of them? What do you think?
- [30:40]
A
Possibly.
- [30:41]
B
Possibly.
- [30:42]
A
Little touchy. Touchy. Who knows?
- [30:44]
B
She did try to get in touch with Portia. Portia really didn't care that much about it, to be honest. I think. I don't think that Portia really. Portia only cared about when Drew. When she thought that they were going to film together on the show.
- [31:01]
A
Yeah, she just didn't want him on the show. Like, no, she don't want him. She don't want go.
- [31:06]
B
She don't want him. She. And she don't care who he's with. She just don't want them together on the show. Portia's very covetous of her show and her position on the show and. Yeah, I've seen this before. Yeah.
- [31:19]
A
I felt like Portia was a little bit more activated at the reunion.
- [31:22]
B
100%.
- [31:23]
A
She was. All season long.
- [31:25]
B
100%. But you have to think about what she was going through. Another person. She was going through that nasty divorce, the husband gets deported. She was upset. And I honestly don't know where this. Because I had reports that they were on a vacation in Dubai and very close and very together. Something happened from that to that, and it wasn't far after that where a lot of people are shocked, like, where did this come out of? So.
- [31:55]
A
Oh, my God. Are you following. Speaking of that, are you following the Denise Richards stuff? Right. Your mouth is open. Oh, my. Every day it's like, I open up my.
- [32:05]
B
Wait, that's in your camp. Give me some, like, something here.
- [32:09]
A
It's. It's not. And I just. It just made me think about it. I know it's totally off subject, but.
- [32:13]
B
I was just like, no, it's not. I want a subject. Talk about this one second.
- [32:18]
A
I mean, she's got a black eye. Yeah. He's accusing her of cheating.
- [32:23]
B
He's.
- [32:23]
A
Now he's coming forward. I mean, it is getting really, really messy. I haven't read how she got the black eye.
- [32:31]
B
I believe her. And. And the way she's very detailed in the beatings. A lot of people are passing it off. They had rough sex and they were into this lifestyle.
- [32:44]
A
Are you serious? I didn't.
- [32:45]
B
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [32:47]
A
No, like, she came out and say that he actually did that to her.
- [32:50]
B
And you know what? A lot of people are going against her and I'm really disgusting.
- [32:54]
A
Oh, that's sad. But we saw clips from the show that have resurfaced and Teddy back in the day actually kind of called it out.
- [33:04]
B
Oh, well, if Teddy called it out. Still mince words. We all know that.
- [33:08]
A
Yeah, yeah, Teddy was right back then.
- [33:11]
B
So what was she saying?
- [33:13]
A
Something about when he was. They were walking away from a party and he grabbed her hand and she's like, not now. Cameras are on. And he's like, said something like, I'll break your hand. So. Something like that. And then it hurts. Yeah, something like, you know, I'm like, oh. If he says, like when he has a mic on him, like, oh, oh.
- [33:32]
B
Well, I wish for her peace and safety.
- [33:35]
A
Yes, I agree.
- [33:36]
B
Listen, Denise needs help. If there's anybody around her that can help her now, she needs help because this is when things happen.
- [33:45]
A
Yeah. Our thoughts are with you, Denise, for sure.
- [33:47]
B
Yeah.
- [33:48]
A
This is just.
- [33:48]
B
Sorry you're going through that. I really am.
- [33:51]
A
Well, moving on from that. And they get back from their lunch break, their 45 minute lunch break, and.
- [34:00]
B
It never seems long. That lunch break. Is that like three seconds?
- [34:05]
A
They say it's 45 minutes. Do you take your dress off when you're at the reunion, Tamara?
- [34:10]
B
I take my dress off as I'm walking off the stage.
- [34:13]
A
You do?
- [34:13]
B
I just.
- [34:14]
A
I just don't. I feel like. I don't know, like I'm a. I don't know. Biscuits. Like, if I. If I take the dress off, everything's gonna fall open and then I'm never gonna be able to get it on.
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A
And conditions apply so they get back from the lunch break and they got all their dresses back on and everything. And Andy reads Kenya's tweet and Brit's Instagram story about not attending. Now I thought Kenya was very classy in what she said and at the end of it she said something like I look forward to seeing you next season. Do you think she's coming back next season? Well.
- [39:26]
B
Here'S the thing. I don't know. I'm not sure. Yeah, listen, are we coming back next season? Like there's always right?
- [39:37]
A
You never know.
- [39:38]
B
There's. There's.
- [39:38]
A
Until you know, you don't know.
- [39:40]
B
You don't know. The powers that be make the decisions. And it goes I think far past Andy and far past. I mean it is a chain there that goes up pretty really high. So. And I think that a lot of times the fans are a part of that, too. The fans have power in this. On whether or not somebody.
- [40:01]
A
We're not talking fans on Instagram, by the way, guys, because.
- [40:04]
B
No, we have numbers.
- [40:06]
A
Yeah, we're talking numbers. We're talking focus groups. We're talking things like that.
- [40:10]
B
Yeah, so. So I think that sometimes, like, that's a factor. I don't really know. And who really knows what's going to happen with this legally? You know, when legal gets involved, it gets real murky.
- [40:22]
A
Yes.
- [40:24]
B
So, like, we'll see what happens with this. Her statement, Brit statement regarding the fact that that was not her in the pictures. And now we're getting to who gave them to Kenya. Drew almost shit her pants because they were like, well, you know, a cast member. A cast member. So Portia said, I was aware of these pictures being sent to a cast member, and the cast member then gave them to Kenya in no uncertain terms. Did I know what Kenya was going to do with that? Yeah, so we get it. But now no one's talking to Kenya anyway. Portia's fighting with Kenya. I think she said, Drew.
- [41:10]
A
Drew's name was dropped. Drew.
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B
David. Drew gave it. And Drew was like, well, somebody sent them to me. That's not what we asked you, Drew. We asked you. Did you give them to Kenya?
- [41:20]
A
I mean, at the end of the day, like, if you're on a cast and some scandalous something has come up, it's not uncommon for one of us to send it to another cast member. Oh, my gosh. And then that one doesn't. That one. However, what you do with that, if you blow them up, poster size, not the cast members, it's the person that did it. So maybe Drew was a messenger, but Kenya, you know, she's taken accountability for it. She's the one that ultimately displayed him. Yeah.
- [41:49]
B
So, yeah, and in a. In a very bad way.
- [41:53]
A
But the girls are questioning Brit a lot. And Shamia says the night after Kenya showed the pictures, they went out with Brittany, and she was happy and fine. She, like, they said her. Somewhere along the line, her demeanor had changed about this.
- [42:08]
B
And, yeah, it's called. She spoke to a lawyer or somebody reached out to her and said, you have a case. And that's when the demeanor changed.
- [42:15]
A
Yeah, she was really happy and everything. And then she came back to the group next day, filming, distraught. So they're like, oh, yeah, she's an actress calling bullshit. And then they also questioned how long did she know that these pictures were not of her? And who the hell are these pictures of?
- [42:33]
B
Well, I don't know when she saw them, because she left the party. And then Kelly left the party when they came out. And then how about the fact that our Queen of The lady queen, Ms. Cynthia Bailey, the Mother Teresa of Atlanta, comes over here and she's like. Well, she doesn't speak to me. When Cynthia Bailey's the one that stayed.
- [43:00]
A
Cynthia's the kindest person ever. And for. Cut her off. Doesn't make any sense to me.
- [43:06]
B
Yeah, but Cynthia stayed there and said, you know, with. This isn't something I expect from you. I'm here. I didn't leave. But, like, you know, I don't. You know, you have your better than that. You're better than this. And she actually did stay for her. And then she doesn't stop. You know, whatever. What do you expect? You can't blame other. Get mad at other people because you. So if.
- [43:33]
A
If it's not you in those pictures, what grounds do you have to sue? And why don't you go to the reunion and say, listen, that wasn't me.
- [43:42]
B
And that.
- [43:43]
A
Yeah, yeah, well, fight back against. Because Kenya's not there. But at least say her piece.
- [43:49]
B
Say, you know, drew, did you send them to me? Did you send. Did somebody send you pictures? Why didn't you send them to me instead of somebody that wanted to hurt me?
- [43:57]
A
Yeah.
- [43:57]
B
Those pictures were not sent to somebody. Here's the thing. Sometimes friends don't need information that will. They can use that against someone that will come back and hurt them. Do you understand that? Am I saying it right? Holding. Withholding something from a friend who cannot handle information in the correct way is not wrong. It's just not.
- [44:21]
A
Yeah.
- [44:22]
B
Unless it's about them personally. But if they're gonna. If you know that friend is gonna get themselves in trouble with that. Whatever it is you give them, then don't give it to them.
- [44:34]
A
Well, I felt bad for Cynthia because she looked. Clearly she was upset. She's. You know, they've been friends. Come on, Kenya. Just give Cynthia call. Cynthia has always been there for. She's always been on your side. Like, come on. Andy asked how Shamia felt about Britt accusing her of lying about Shiloh being.
- [44:50]
B
Ill. First of all, she's not lying about her child being.
- [44:55]
A
No, no.
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B
What she did say, and it wasn't more than she was. Said she was lying about the child being ill. It was the fact that if she was so upset. And I did. This is what I got from Britt. And she said, if she was so sick, why don't you Go right home. And you were so upset. If you were so upset about how sick she was, then why did you go to Miami instead of going right home? And that's a valid question.
- [45:27]
A
It is a valid question.
- [45:28]
B
I'm a fan of Shamia. I think she's great. I think she's great for the show. I think she's very accomplished and. But we don't know.
- [45:36]
A
We don't know how Shiloh was doing at that time. It could have been that, you know, Shiloh, she got that phone call, and Shiloh was doing really, you know, poorly at the time. Took her to the doctor, doctor put on antibiotics, and she was on her way to becoming better. And if you're that upset.
- [45:53]
B
But if you're that upset, I mean, it's hard.
- [45:55]
A
I agree. I agree.
- [45:57]
B
If you're not upset, go home. Go home. Like you were sobbing. The. The knot, the snot, the veins are coming out. The whole. Everybody's holding you up. You're like. You're like sobbing like. I take crying very serious.
- [46:13]
A
It's because you don't cry.
- [46:15]
B
Yeah. I take crying.
- [46:19]
A
Your ice queen.
- [46:22]
B
If you're gonna cry like that, get on the next plane home. If that's the level of emotion that's. This is evoking from you. I don't think she was kidding. I don't think she was making it up. I don't think she was over exaggerating how she felt about it. But if you're going to go that far, then go home.
- [46:42]
A
Yeah, no, I get that. Yeah.
- [46:44]
B
And, you know, it's a shame. I hate to see Brit go, because as much as I may not be a biggest fan of her, she.
- [46:53]
A
Will say anything. But I.
- [46:54]
B
That girl don't hold back.
- [46:56]
A
Angela's got to that point, too. She does not hold back at all. She's not as evil. Yeah, she's evil.
- [47:04]
B
I don't think anybody really is. But Brit like you, you know, you. You had a place in this business. I hate to say it. There's always a good place for a villain in a housewife world.
- [47:15]
A
Yeah. Well, then we get to the. The music of it all. The Shamia and the Drew. Shamia says she's never shaded Drew's music or voice. Now we know that Drew has shaded Shamia's voice.
- [47:29]
B
You said she couldn't hold a note.
- [47:31]
A
Yeah.
- [47:32]
B
Did you see. Wait, did you see Drew singing? She sang the Star Spangled Banner. Where? At a baseball game. Like a full professional baseball game? Yes.
- [47:43]
A
I got the Red Sox or something.
- [47:45]
B
Yeah, something like that. Something like that, guys.
- [47:47]
A
And how'd she do?
- [47:51]
B
How did she do? Well, I went to.
- [47:53]
A
Should we call Shamia and ask her?
- [47:55]
B
I think you should. I went to read that. Listen, I cannot sing. I cannot sing.
- [48:01]
A
Oh, I can't sing either.
- [48:03]
B
So I am no one to speak of. The comments underneath were good. However, I didn't think she was on the level to be able to sing that. I don't think it was that great.
- [48:18]
A
Well, there it is, right out of Dolores's mouth. You suck.
- [48:21]
B
I'm sorry. I have no right. No, she didn't suck. She didn't suck.
- [48:26]
A
Well, karma's a bitch, right?
- [48:29]
B
But listen, in the back, you know, at reunion, they were having a conversation of how talented she really is.
- [48:37]
A
I think she's talented. I really do.
- [48:39]
B
Yeah, I know. She's a triple threat. Amazing. Great. Love it. However, that was not your. I don't know that that was your best performance, because that's a song very near and Dear. Like, I get chills when I hear it.
- [48:52]
A
A hard song to sing, too.
- [48:53]
B
It's a very hard song to sing, so.
- [48:56]
A
Well, Drew says, no, no, no, no. And disputes it and says she never made fun of her singing, which we all saw. And Shamia says she did. You lie. You're a liar. You lie about everything, including your Judith Libra bag. And I died at the moment when.
- [49:14]
B
Not bringing out the Akara Cosmo bag.
- [49:17]
A
Pettiness of bringing out the bag. And I'm just like, oh, I love this. This is amazing.
- [49:24]
B
The bag had to be sold out by now. I. Actually. Porsche wanted it. She's.
- [49:30]
A
And then I know when she said she wanted, she's like, let's see how today ends.
- [49:35]
B
But wait, she gets called out for it. And then she says, I have the receipts at home. They're like, just stop lying. She's lying. Just like. What about when she said Michael Jordan was her cousin?
- [49:50]
A
Well, every cast member, past and present, has called Drew a liar at one time or another. Kenya, Portia, Shamia, Charay, Candy. There's. I mean, where there's smoke, there is fire.
- [50:03]
B
She. I mean, I wanted to say, like, no, because I hate to go with what all the cast members are saying, because once you're dubbed something, it kind of sticks with you whether it's true or not. Like, some, like, somebody calls you a name, and then, like, your whole career, you're known as that.
- [50:17]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [50:17]
B
And. And then, like, I'm like, I'm not. I'm gonna see for myself. And so I did. And, yeah, I agree.
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A
Well, I think it's hilarious because we have cast members that will wear and carry fake designer clothes and bags and all that jewelry. And I just laugh every time because you can spot it from a mile away. You can spot it.
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B
You shouldn't be able to.
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A
Well, obviously they're not good ones, but it just. To me, it just. It's an insecurity in somebody that they just have to have. I mean, when you're dripped in fake designer stuff, you have an issue. You have an insecurity issue. Like, I get it. You can't afford it. Oh, so you have like a fake Chanel bag. If that's what makes you happy, whatever. But don't go and try to act like you're dripped in Chanel and it's all fake and you're a rich when you're not. You're selling me a bunch of bullshit.
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B
You know, I've never been. You and I are very much alike. Like this. Like, we're not spendthrifts, right?
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A
No.
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B
Paul wants to buy me. Like, I get my gifts, like my good bags, but I don't really use them. I use my $25 LA sack, like, comfy bag or, you know, my, you know, whatever. It's just my mother's like, what are you carrying? And my mother could. She's like the most simple person in the world. She's like, it doesn't even have a zipper on. I'm like, it's not my thing, Mom. I don't wanna know. But that's not. But I don't. I don't fault. I don't judge people. I do things. That's so funny.
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A
But nobody judge you.
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B
I found some Aviator Nation esque things on Amazon.
- [51:58]
A
Well, you know what? Okay, that's different. That's like a dupe. But when you have one that like a sweatshirt that says Chanel and it's not Chanel.
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B
Wrong.
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A
And it's actually channel, then you.
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B
That.
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A
That is embarrassing.
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B
Do you remember channel we're showing our age now?
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A
No, I don't channel.
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B
It was like a Sears. It was like.
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A
Oh, really? Like a Zodies.
- [52:18]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A
Oh, my God. So Andy asked Portia if she thought Brit was being malicious by sharing that she saw Portia's text messages. I. I mean, do you think, Listen.
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B
Britt's not holding anything back. If you ever said. If you ever did. She's not being malicious, she's being Brit. Whatever that is.
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A
Well, any montage of conflict between Shimmy and Portia this season. Like, there is a montage I saw it.
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B
I think their friendship's very damaged.
- [52:49]
A
They said they're not friends anymore. Yeah, Portia says that she recently. Portia says that recently Shamia has been lying and badmouthing her in interviews. And one thing that Shamia said that bugged me, and she goes, you're lying too. I don't like that. Like, nobody should be lying about anybody.
- [53:09]
B
So apparently Porsche extended an olive branch to Shamia and posted for her birthday. Yeah, I saw that she did respond. But, you know, I, you know, I'm. I do change my mind with information, Tamara. And I'm gonna say at first I wasn't happy with Portia's. Portia always lands on her feet in this business or I think in life. Right from her, from the first time we met her when she was on the balls of her ass with her divorce and then going through this one now and winning and winning and winning from, you know, making money on the show and doing very well for herself. And I wanted to say that I felt that she was a little selfish this year. I felt like she didn't feel like she needed to do things. But I also did take into consideration she was going through a very hard divorce and very upset about it. So the thing is, I am now a little bit more on Portia's side because once we saw all this stuff, like when Shamia first came on, she was going to bat for Portia. Right. She was really fighting for her. And I didn't think Portia was reciprocating. And then in the end, I found, like, it's not. Portia's not all wrong.
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A
No, no, she's not. And I have learned that me and Teddi will always say, you're only as good as this week's episode, because we only know what we know. We only know the information that we're getting from. From a reality show. We only see the strongest parts of your personality, and we don't necessarily see a well rounded person. So you can make judgment and then the next week go, oh, okay, I totally get her side. But one thing I didn't understand is when Portia said Shamia tried to use the show to sabotage her. If Portia felt that way, why didn't she bring this up during filming?
- [55:11]
B
Well, I think that during this reunion, she had just. Or that she had just found out about the alliance that was formed in the beginning and saying, where was I? Or she's saying, yeah, you were involved. And Portia's like, I don't believe in that shit anyway. But I really wasn't involved. And I don't think that. That. I mean, I don't really know. I'm gonna jury's out on that for me. I'm not sure about Shamia right now at this moment. Although I happen to like her a lot. She can win me over next week. Like. Like, I gotta.
- [55:48]
A
It's crazy how that happens. It's like sometimes you, you know, even with any. Any kind of star that's on tv, like you. You idolize them. You're like, oh, my God, I love them. I love them. And then you meet them in person, you're like, God, they're an asshole. Like, I don't like that person.
- [56:03]
B
I want Shimmy to be really. You just never know. I want you me to sing to me when I meet her. I want to like her so much.
- [56:10]
A
I met her and I thought she was amazing. I thought she was sweet, she was nice, and she did kind of sound like she was. The little conversation we had, I was like, oh, I hope you guys are friends again. And she's like, oh, it's just. It's really sad. I've been friends with her for a long time, so she seemed like she really cared about her.
- [56:28]
B
But, Tamara, what's going on with the moms? I think how this plays out is going to be very telling on the future of their relationship.
- [56:37]
A
Well, they continue to fight, and then they bring their moms into the discussion. Like, I'm like, oh, God, we're not going there.
- [56:43]
B
No, I want to know something. One of the moms did something to the other moms, and when that comes up, they drop that right away. But guess what? Not in this world.
- [56:56]
A
Well, Porsche posted something about her mom, so I don't know.
- [57:02]
B
So I want to know.
- [57:03]
A
This is the thing. When you have friends have known each other for a very long time, there's a lot of history there.
- [57:07]
B
And they know where the bodies are buried.
- [57:09]
A
They know where the bodies are buried. If it's going to get dirty, it's going to get really dirty. And they. They know so well that.
- [57:16]
B
You're right about that, Tamara, because when real friends fight, it gets real dirty and ugly. When real friends fight, when, like, superficial friends, but you've only known each other for a short time, you're gonna stab each other in the back. No love loss here. There's not too much, you know, about the person, if they're smart. Listen, if you're smart, when you become friends with somebody on the show, you probably should hold back.
- [57:42]
A
Oh, for sure.
- [57:43]
B
Before you Tell them everything about yourself or your husband.
- [57:47]
A
You're talking about what you do or anything like that. Yeah.
- [57:49]
B
Yeah. Be careful.
- [57:50]
A
Yeah. The first time you said, oh, my God, me and my husband got in a huge fight last night. And then you give them details. The next thing you know, this girl's turning on you, and it's.
- [57:58]
B
Has that ever happened to you on the show?
- [58:01]
A
No. I keep my family, my husband and my kids very close. Like, I don't. Just in general, not just with people on the show. I really don't talk too much about that kind of stuff. I mean, I definitely have said things to people.
- [58:19]
B
You know, don't think if someone did it to somebody else, they wouldn't do it to you.
- [58:22]
A
Yep.
- [58:24]
B
So. And a lot of times people like that, even as no matter how close a friend you get, they won't tell you when they did something like that to somebody else. You find out when they do it to you. Then you find out, well, oh, yeah. You'll get a call and say, that person did it to me too. And then you realize you've been sleeping with the enemy for however many years. You know someone who was going to clandestinely come after you at the end of the day anyway.
- [58:50]
A
Ain't that the truth? So that's it for episode two of the reunion. One more reunion to go. And then.
- [58:57]
B
Then what?
- [58:58]
A
Then we're done with Atlanta.
- [59:00]
B
But then who's next?
- [59:01]
A
I don't know. We gotta figure out who's coming on next. I feel like Salt Lake City is gonna come on soon. I just saw the previews, which is very disappointed for the Real Housewives of London. I saw Carolyn Stanberry and Dorinda were in it, and they had cameos in the show, but it's not playing here.
- [59:22]
B
How do we see it on Hulu or something?
- [59:24]
A
I don't know. I don't know. But I'm like, oh, my God.
- [59:26]
B
Hey, you pay you. That's it.
- [59:28]
A
Yeah. So it's not playing in the States, but potentially. Andy said it could be picked up by Peacock, but then they're also doing a Ladies of London on Bravo, so that makes me feel like maybe.
- [59:39]
B
Did you meet Listra at BravoCon?
- [59:43]
A
I don't think so. Did I?
- [59:45]
B
She's amazing. She's beautiful. Oh, my God.
- [59:51]
A
What show is she on?
- [59:51]
B
Listra. Ladies of London.
- [59:54]
A
Oh, okay.
- [59:54]
B
There's a whole lot of woman, like, you don't even know what to do with it. I'm like, lizzra, you're a goddess statue. I love her.
- [60:05]
A
She's so many people at Bravicon and you're like overwhelmed.
- [60:10]
B
Yeah, you, you, you probably matter. She's lovely. She's a lovely person. I'd love to see her on one of our shows. Amazing woman.
- [60:18]
A
Okay, guys, thank you for tuning in to another episode of two T's in a Pod. And we'll be back with reunion number three next week.
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B
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