Black Eye All Over Again (RHOSLC Recap)

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod: "Black Eye All Over Again" (RHOSLC Recap)

Episode Date: January 15, 2026
Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp & Tamra Judge
Special Guest: Dolores
Podcast: Two Ts in a Pod by iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

Teddi, Tamra, and Dolores team up to dissect part one of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC) season reunion. The episode is a candid, rapid-fire deep dive into the major confrontations, key cast dynamics, off-camera rumors, and memorable moments that have defined this installment of the franchise. The hosts use their own Housewives backgrounds to pull no punches in analyzing this explosive reunion, hitting on cast alliances, business drama, off-camera gossip, and the ever-present Bravo breaking points.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. BravoCon & Rumors: Whitney vs. Meredith

• [03:14 – 05:35]
  Discussion opens with the fallout from BravoCon: Whitney allegedly told Meredith she wanted to "just do it for the cameras," which both Whitney and the hosts see as a "kiss of death" for a Housewife's credibility.
  • "That's called fake. I hate when people do this." – Dolores [04:00]
  • Whitney was reportedly “slobbering all over the stage” but denies the accusation, apologizing for her drunken state, not her words.
  • Teddi and Tamra note that what’s said while wasted "doesn't count" for much, though admit these kinds of allegations are weaponized in reality TV.

2. Dynamics: Meredith and Lisa vs. The Group

• [06:39 – 08:13]
  • Dolores and Tamra highlight how other cast members try to break the Meredith-Lisa alliance by dredging up past betrayals, but the duo stick together.
  • "They are sticking together the way they should because they know what they're doing." – Tamra [07:09]

3. Friendship Tensions: Heather, Lisa & Snake Allegations

• [07:30 – 10:32]
  • Heather brands Lisa a "risky friend," which Dolores finds offensive and unnecessary.
  • Lisa, in turn, calls Heather a snake for encouraging Angie to poke fun at a cast member’s personal life on camera.
  • The co-hosts debate who they’d befriend off-camera, noting real-life personalities often surprise compared to their TV personas.

4. Showbiz & Loyalty

• [11:06 – 13:21]
  • The "tag teaming" of cast members is discussed as being normal in housewives circles, but always viewed with suspicion on screen.
  • Teddi asserts, "If you're standing behind your friend, then who cares what somebody says?" [11:25]
  • Tamra reflects on being called a "truth teller" and the resulting mixed reactions.

5. Business, Lawsuits & RHOSLC Drama

• [13:49 – 15:09]
  • Whitney’s motivation for bringing up Lisa’s lawsuits (even when Lisa isn’t present) is dissected.
  • The group agrees: if something is public (lawsuits, scandals), it WILL come up on the show, but pinning blame for media leaks is risky without proof.
  • "If it's out there, we're talking about it." – Dolores [13:50]

6. The Franchise Overlaps: Below Deck & Housewives

• [19:44 – 20:32]
  • Teddi and Tamra are surprised to learn Housewives and Below Deck filmed concurrently, teasing major crossover content yet to be aired.
  • Excitement for Captain Jason’s potential podcast appearance is shared.

7. Family Talk Truces—and Breaking Them

• [20:47 – 22:12]
  • Dolores and Tamra laugh at the notion of “truces” about not discussing families, as these boundaries never last.
  • Fan-filmed videos (from BravoCon and beyond) add fuel to on-screen conflicts.

8. Real Housewives as Brand Engines: Arby’s, Wendy’s Ads and Product Placement

• [22:23 – 24:49]
  • Angie is grilled about her Arby’s ad—a possible shade at Lisa’s Wendy’s deal. The hosts agree everyone would seize such opportunities.
  • "This is not a copycat thing. This is a money grab... We all do it." – Tamra [24:40]
  • Insights into brand deals and endorsements among the cast.

9. Makeup, Aging & Confidence

• [24:55 – 25:50]
  • A detour into their favorite makeup products, particularly the Laura Geller line, with friendly endorsements and tips for glowing skin.

10. Reflections: Change & Consistency Among Cast

• [26:41 – 30:31]
  • Mary stands out as the cast member who’s changed most for the better; Heather is called more confident and successful than ever.
  • Lisa, Meredith, and Whitney are judged to be unchanged since season one.
  • "If you don't change, then there's something wrong with you." – Teddi [28:00]

11. Reunion Props & Shtick: The Bear & The Scroll

• [30:36 – 31:41]; [42:17 – 43:08]
  • Brittany’s “support bear” is derided as tired and embarrassing.
  • "I want to punch the bear in the fucking... I would have thrown it on the floor and stomped on it." – Dolores [30:53]
  • Later, Angie brings out a scroll to “prove” Lisa has been trolling her—which the hosts see as possible social media detective work.

12. The Hookup Mystery: Captain Jason & Heather

• [36:09 – 39:37]
  • The “Black Eye all over again” — confusion around Heather and Captain Jason’s alleged hookup.
  • Rumors swirl, with speculation that Captain Jason may have denied the fling due to being in a relationship.
  • "When I say I hooked up with somebody, that means I boned them." – Tamra [38:31]
  • The hosts want to bring Captain Jason on for his side.

13. Business Ventures and Brand Competition

• [43:08 – 44:28]
  • New tidbits: Lisa’s business ties to the Bella Twins and tequila brands compete.
  • The hosts discuss brand deals, with Tamra emphasizing authenticity:
    "If they're going to buy something because I stand behind it, then I want to say I’d waste my hard-earned money on this too." – Tamra [44:51]

14. Lisa as “Risky” and “Not a Good Friend”

• [45:33 – 45:59]
  • Heather’s mixed assessment of Lisa (important but not a good friend) is discussed—though both hosts agree Lisa is a staunch friend to Meredith.

15. Looking Ahead: Franchise Updates

• [46:14 – 47:33]
  • Upcoming RH expansions: Rhode Island and Atlanta will premiere after Salt Lake City and Potomac conclude.
  • Ladies of London’s return is also teased, indicating a packed Bravo schedule on the horizon.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Bravo friendships:
  "They are sticking together the way they should because they know what they're doing." – Tamra [07:09]
  "If you're standing behind your friend, then who cares what somebody says?" – Teddi [11:25]

• On showbiz and reality TV schemes:
  "That's called fake. I hate when people do this." – Dolores [04:00]
  "If it's out there, we're talking about it." – Dolores [13:50]
  "This is not a copycat thing, this is a money grab." – Tamra [24:40]

• On Housewife change:
  "If you don't change, then there's something wrong with you." – Teddi [28:00]
  "Mary's the only person in Housewives—she is TV gold." – Teddi & Tamra [27:00]

• On reunion props (the bear):
  "I want to punch the bear in the fucking... I would have thrown it on the floor and stomped on it." – Dolores [30:53]
  "She's becoming a one trick pony at this point. It's a shtick." – Teddi [31:02]

• On salacious reunion rumors:
  "When I say I hooked up with somebody, that means I boned them." – Tamra [38:31]
  "There's always a clue. There's always somebody else that knew... Two people can keep a secret if one is dead." – Dolores [39:37]

• On authenticity and branding:
  "If they're going to buy something because I stand behind it, then I want to say I’d waste my hard money on this too." – Tamra [44:51]

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Segment Timestamps

• Opening, BravoCon rumors and reunion context: [03:05 – 05:35]
• Cast dynamics & alliances: [06:39 – 08:13]
• Snake allegations & friend judgements: [08:13 – 10:32]
• Bravo hypocrisy & truce breakdowns: [20:47 – 22:12]
• Brand drama (Arby's vs. Wendy's): [22:23 – 24:49]
• Reflections on cast changes: [26:41 – 30:31]
• Reunion props: Bear & scroll: [30:36 – 31:41]; [42:17 – 43:08]
• Captain Jason & Heather mystery: [36:09 – 39:37]
• Lisa’s businesses & sponsorships: [43:08 – 44:28]
• Upcoming RH shows: [46:14 – 47:33]

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Recap Takeaways

• The RHOSLC reunion part one delivered classic Housewives messiness: rumors, alliances, digs about business, and props.
• Teddi, Tamra, and Dolores blend fan insight with fellow Housewife experience, cutting through on-screen drama with candor and humor.
• Major cliffhangers remain unresolved—especially Angie's scroll and Heather’s Captain Jason hookup story.
• As the franchise expands, the podcast promises even more behind-the-scenes Bravo tea.

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[A]

mellencamp and tamara judge.

[C]

Hi, guys. Welcome back to another episode of two T's in a Pod. Today with Dolores. We are going to be recapping Salt Lake City reunion part one.

[A]

I'm sorry to say goodbye to it soon.

[C]

I.

[A]

Is a three part reunion or what?

[C]

It's a. It is a three part reunion. The first reunion I thought was good. Sometimes the first one's just kind of getting established. Yeah, but it starts out here. Not here. But it starts with Meredith starts and she wants to open up the floor to Whitney to clear what she said at Bravon. Now, I didn't know anything about this.

[A]

Me neither. Where did we hear this and where did we not see it?

[C]

Well, I don't know, but evidently Whitney got extremely intoxicated at BravoCon.

[A]

I did see that on. You didn't see that on social media. Like, she was, like, slobbering all over the stage and Andy had to, like, turn her around and. Oh, yeah.

[C]

So it was at one of the Bravo cons. She was wasted. And evidently she had a conversation with Meredith about being friends off camera, but keep the things rolling on camera. I hate this. I hate when people do this. I hate when cast members do this. Like, no, that's called fake.

[A]

Fake. It's her word. It's her word against Meredith.

[C]

She was wasted.

[A]

Okay, so maybe she said it. Well, does it count if you're so wasted that you have to get carried physically carried back to your room? Does what you say really count? No. No.

[C]

Well, I mean, to a certain extent, at least. She. I mean, she admitted.

[A]

No, she did not admit that she said it. She's like, I never said that.

[C]

Oh, I thought she did admit.

[A]

No, she said she apologizes up and be friends. I. She apologized.

[C]

Oh, so they have a different opinion of what was said?

[A]

Yes. Okay. I want to be friends with you. I love you.

[C]

Okay, you're right. So Whitney did deny she said it like that.

[A]

She said, I never said, let's just do it for the cameras. Because, you know, that's the kiss of death in our business. So if someone wants to screw you, they will say, you said that.

[C]

Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah.

[A]

And I'm saying she didn't. But I'm also saying she's not responsible for what she said in that moment. And I don't. I don't really think she said that. And I. I've been. I rally for Meredith, you know? I do, but it just doesn't sound like Whitney. It doesn't.

[C]

Yeah, well, evidently there was quite a scene because Andy even said we were scared you weren't even going to make it across the stage. Whitney. I saw Whitney. I saw Whitney in the green room. And normally she's really friendly and stuff, and she wasn't as friendly as normal. And I'm like, oh, God, did I say something about her?

[A]

It was the Watch what happens live at Bravo Conway. So. What do you mean she wasn't friendly to you?

[C]

I just, like, was like, hi. And normally she's overly friendly and sweet and nice and she was just, like, very kind of standoffish.

[A]

And I don't.

[C]

Was she drunk? Maybe. Maybe that was the situation.

[A]

She's a happy, loving drunk. She said so. That's not it.

[C]

Maybe she just mad.

[A]

I don't know. Did you say wrong? I don't think you said anything wrong about it.

[C]

I don't know. You're the one that says the wrong stuff, not me.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Joking.

[A]

Well, you know what? I. I'm really sorry, but this is my job. I know I could say a lot nastier things. And guess what? I love my pod. So did you know.

[C]

Did you notice how anytime Meredith defends Lisa, the girls try to bring up past drama between Lisa and Meredith, like, as if it's not trying to. To break them up. They're trying to divide and conquer and it's not working. Yeah, I know. I know. It's. And you know what stupid maneuver.

[A]

What I love about that is Lisa's like, yeah, well, you guys said stuff about me, too. And she doesn't get mad at Meredith. Like, they are sticking together the way. Because they know what they're doing. Stick together.

[C]

Yes, but they know what they're doing. They're onto it.

[A]

Like, oh, they said horrible things about each other. Horrible. They should all speak again. No, I mean, Meredith and Lisa, they should never have spoken again after the hot mic moment after all that stuff. But listen, they've come back together. Don't put it in vain.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Well, Heather thinks. And this pisses me off. Heather thinks that Lisa is a risky friend.

[A]

Why does that piss you off?

[C]

I don't know. I think it's like, well, what do you mean she's risky? You're. You're saying at one side of your mouth you want to be friends with her, but she's a risky friend. I'm not friends with people that I think that are risky.

[A]

I don't take risks because, you know, like, I don't usually beat the odds. So that's why I don't gamble. That's why I don't take risks. I'm a Capricorn. I think things out. I'm not. I don't do things spontaneously. Everything is like, you know, I'll take a day to get back to. If I get in a fight with you, I'm like, I don't have the right word yet. I'll get back to you on that.

[C]

Yeah. So she's, Heather thinks at least as a risky friend. Lisa thinks that Heather is as a snake.

[A]

I will tell you this, Lisa's been in a fucking amazing friend to Meredith. Me and Christina Pastina call each other every time after the episode and they're like, did you see her? Did you happen to see how Lisa stood by her? That's what I like to see. Sorry.

[C]

But so, so in this conversation, Lisa thinks that Heather's a snake because she encouraged Angie to bring up the farting while making out with Todd's situation. Now do you think, like, it's just more proof. I don't like that possibly Heather's pulling the strings behind the scenes to have other people do her dirty work.

[A]

So she's like, yeah, I thought it would be funny. Do you see? Did you see Bronwyn go?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Good to know. Good to know.

[C]

If you had to be friends with either Lisa or Heather, who would you choose?

[A]

Well, right now I'd be friends with Lisa.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But I, I think I would probably enjoy hanging out with Heather more because Lisa's very like about herself and like conversation wise and everything. I don't know. What about you?

[C]

I don't know. It's hard to tell. It's hard for me to judge. Like, if I'm judging off the TV show, you know, as a viewer, I would probably think Lisa. But sometimes people are so different in real life.

[A]

Like I love Heather in real life.

[C]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[A]

Heather, I, I think she's so nice. I love her kids. She's come so, so far. When she was on the show, she was struggling, she was financially struggling. And she has really, really come really far and done so many amazing things. The books, the documentary. She's great.

[C]

She's extremely smart. That's for sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Very, very smart.

[A]

You know what? I wouldn't choose between either One of them, yeah.

[C]

It's too hard to know. I can't choose. If I'm talking show wise, probably Lisa, but if it was like, you know, like, really hanging out with them in real life with no cameras, sometimes people are different. People are way too.

[A]

Lisa's a sweetheart. In real life, she's a sharer. If you ask her where she got something, she will tell you. She is. I saw her one time. When? The first time I ever met her. She was amazing. Ran into heather at BravoCon. The first time I met Heather, I adored her. I mean, I'm not choosing.

[C]

I know Lisa better than I know Lisa better than I know Heather. So that's where I sit on that. So I would probably choose Lisa, but whatever. Why is it called tag teaming whenever a friend helps out another friend?

[A]

Oh, because they just want to knock the two people that are sticking together on my show. They would say, you have your nose up that person's ass. You're so far a parasite. You know stuff like that when two friends stick together. But, you know, who cares what they say? If you're. If you're standing behind your friend, then who cares what somebody says?

[C]

Yeah. Well, then we move on to Andy

[A]

asking, oh, then they said, there's always the line, what does she have on you?

[C]

Yeah, what does she have on you?

[A]

Oh, she's got something on you. Or you must be afraid of her. I'm gonna let everyone know. I'm not afraid of anyone at all.

[C]

That's how. That's why I laugh. And everyone's like, I'm afraid. She's afraid of Tamara.

[A]

Why?

[C]

Because I'm a truth teller. I am a truth teller. And if you don't like it, if you're afraid of the truth, then, yes, I'm a very scary person to you. Well, so tell me how I say it.

[A]

Not to go back to, like, the whole Vanita thing. You wouldn't be talking to your friend like that if she was dating an.

[C]

I did. I did it with Vicki. I'm like, he's an. He's an asshole. He's an ass. I'm an. But I feel like she just, like, kept taking it too far and was, like, thrown in her face and saying things like, don't come to me when he's, like, doing this. I told you so. I told you. I never said to Vicki, I told you so.

[A]

I think I feel like it was the way Sally handled her. Maybe she got defensive and nasty because Sally was like, yeah, maybe it was the way Sally went at her Yeah,

[C]

I. I'm not saying. I'm not saying what Vanita is wrong, that she's wrong for it. I just like, you know, and I'm accused of.

[A]

You're saying.

[C]

Yeah, it was her delivery.

[A]

That's what I say. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Established. Got it.

[C]

So Andy asked Whitney why she so quickly had to bring up the lawsuit in the RV trip that Lisa was not on. And Lisa doesn't understand why everyone's so worried when she wasn't.

[A]

I could tell you why Whitney's doing it, because Whitney was very sensitive about her brand, very sensitive about her. Her jewelry business. And I think looking back, she blames Lisa for putting stuff out about it.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, this is what the show's about.

[A]

Does she blame Lisa or Meredith?

[C]

Does Whitney. What do you. What do you mean?

[A]

Whitney, when she. When her jewelry line was going, when her.

[C]

When her business was going, I think

[A]

she blamed Meredith because Meredith spoke to one of the bloggers about her or something.

[C]

Oh, my God. I hope moving forward, there will be no blogger conversation whatsoever.

[A]

And everyone, I think, by now, learned their lesson. No.

[C]

Yeah. Okay. So if Whitney's business was in. In the Tribune, you know, everybody talking

[A]

about it, that's the nature of the beast. If it's out there, we're talking about it. So she.

[C]

Lisa's lawsuits were in the Salt Lake City Tribune, correct?

[A]

Yeah. So that has to be brought up. If it's on social media, if it's in the paper, if it's in the press, if it's out there, it's going to be talked about on the show.

[C]

It is going to be talked about.

[A]

But I think, like, everyone knows that. But it's. Who wants. The thing is, who's going to bring it up? Right?

[C]

And is. Is it true? Like, I think, like, you have to do your due diligence yourself and kind of look into it and go, is this actually true or this is bullshit? Is this bullshit?

[A]

Well, it doesn't matter if it's true or not. It's for something. Like, if you're not. If I feel like if you're blaming somebody for something, you better have it in black and white. Right. If you're outright saying, absolutely, Lisa, you're the one that called the press and said, I was late to the boat because I had my. My law dealing with my lawsuits. Lisa, you're the one that did it. There was production for two shows on that boat. There was two casts on that boat. Okay. And other cast. There was a lot of people. How can you pin it on Lisa if you don't have it in black and white and if you don't, then don't tell me. To all the parents out there trying

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[C]

I'm just learning at the reunion that they were filming for Below Deck and Housewives at the same time.

[A]

I didn't.

[C]

I didn't know that. Yeah, I did not know that now. So that episode is not aired yet, right?

[A]

Below Deck aired yet? No, it hasn't aired yet.

[C]

It is going to be so interesting to see. So I guess when it's February 2nd is when it airs. It's Below Deck under. I can't wait to see it, because we're going to see a different side to it and it's going to be. It's going to be very weird. I had no idea, but that's what I mean.

[A]

So you have.

[C]

I'm surprised they didn't show the cameras of the other camp. You know what I mean? Like, showing, like, they're filming it. I think that would have been interesting.

[A]

Production crews, you have two different crews. You have all these people on. And how about Captain Jason might be coming on the Twats.

[C]

Oh, yeah, we would love to have Captain Jason on the Twats, because I want to talk to him about what brought. What Heather said, but she cleared it

[A]

up at the reunion.

[C]

Did she clear it up? And we'll get to that. We'll get to that.

[A]

Okay. We'll get to that. Okay.

[C]

Yeah. Let's see. So this is rich, too. Ramen reminds Lisa they have a truce to not talk about each other's families.

[A]

But.

[C]

But that Bronwyn at the season finale was bringing up, you know, Meredith's husband. So that just makes me laugh. Bronwyn brings up a fan.

[A]

She didn't have a truce with Marinette. She had that with Lisa.

[C]

I think they said that, like, in general, like, no husbands. No husbands are off limits.

[A]

Husbands, business, kids.

[C]

I mean, on this show, nothing's fucking off limits. Nothing's off limits. Right.

[A]

Sorry. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

So Brahman brings the fan video backstage of Bravo Con of Lisa talking about Todd's body and his small penis.

[A]

Bravo. Debs, what are you doing? If you. I mean, Craig got caught up. There's so many videos that come out about us getting sloppy talking to fans. What do you think is going on? Oh, I'm sorry, Shep. Shep was talking now.

[C]

Shep was talking about Craig, right? At the lobby of the hotel.

[A]

About. Yeah, about Craig's relationship and Paige's relationship. He's like, it was over for years or whatever. But we have fans everywhere.

[C]

There's also unreleased footage of Lisa calling Todd creepy old man. And then also apologizing to Brahman for saying she'll stop.

[A]

Well, she's not stopping and saying she will stop.

[C]

I mean. Well, no. I mean, obviously they don't like Todd.

[A]

They don't like Todd, but it doesn't matter because Todd's gone now.

[C]

Yeah, the show.

[A]

The show's the grim reaper of marriages. It's another One Bites the dust.

[C]

Well, Angie gets interrogated about the Arby's ad. Now, if you. If Arby's came to you and said, hey, I want to do an ad for. With you and pay you X amount of money, are you going to say, oh, no, I can't do that because Lisa did one for Taco Bell. Or whoever she did it for. Would you? No. No.

[A]

Not even a little bit? Nope. No. A big fat no.

[C]

No. So. So you're saying you would take the offer, right?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So would every other person.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Everybody else. I think I want Arby's today.

[C]

It was. It's so good. I'm gonna find too. I'm gonna doordash it. I'm just kidding.

[A]

I'm going to. You're not going to. Really? I already had Doritos and cereal.

[C]

I know. I'm on my health kick. I'm eating high protein and I am

[A]

working out and I have to be at a lingerie party soon.

[C]

Increased my weights and I'm hitting it hard, so we'll see. I'm so sore, though. Andy asked, you know, about the Arby's ad and was like, is that a stab at Lisa? Well, clearly the brand was making it a jab at Lisa. I'll tell you one thing. Arby's is the one that came up with the creative, and they're the ones that. Because Lisa has the Wendy's ad. So what? They know what they're doing.

[A]

It's cute.

[C]

I know.

[A]

I think it's adorable.

[C]

I think it was.

[A]

I thought, because you have some girl that watches this show or some guy, somebody, some millennial, I want to say, who's in creative, who's like, oh, let's do this. And I think it's brilliant. And whoever did that is amazing and funny.

[C]

Well, Lisa thinks Angie is trying to be her.

[A]

I know if it was. If she was a credit card, she would. What is it? Something for the fraud.

[C]

Something about fraud, Something.

[A]

You got to give it to her.

[C]

Identification.

[A]

Identity fraud or something like.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, if I was a credit card, you'd be sued for identity fraud.

[A]

Identity theft. Yeah.

[C]

So I love Angie, but if roles were reversed, the cast would be jumping down Lisa's throat saying she was copying

[A]

Angie, you know, So I don't know. This is so not a copycat thing, though. This is like.

[C]

No, this is a money grab. This is a money grab.

[A]

We all do. We all work with. We cross paths on working with different brands.

[C]

Yeah, you just. You just did one in New York, right? You said a brand deal.

[A]

I did. I did. Well, today, my Laura Geller dropped. Did you see?

[C]

I just ordered from Laura Geller. I just ordered more stuff. I love her stuff.

[A]

Amazing. So today, my line smoother targeted la fine line seller by Laura Gallard that I have that. It makes you look airbrushed.

[C]

It's like a filter on your face. So it's like a filter. It's a primer. You put on. It's primer, and there's no, like, silicone in it or anything. You just put it on, and it just melts into your. Yeah.

[A]

I don't know how she does it, but it is the perfect makeup for anyone with fine lines or without fine lines. If you want to look airbrushed.

[C]

But there's a line for. There's. She has a separate line, basically, for

[A]

us, the 40 Club. Yeah. But if I was young, it doesn't matter. I think if you want your face to look smooth without being cakey, Laura Geller's makeup is the way to go. I don't like cakiness. I don't like a lot of foundation. I don't like a powder.

[C]

Yeah, I've stopped. Well right now because I'm using retinol and my skin so dry and all that in a soon. And soon as I put powder. You normally. I do like a setting powder. I'm not doing that right now.

[A]

It's any powder.

[C]

I'm just doing, like, the. I do my foundation. My IT foundation. I love it. I've been using it for years. And then the cream, like, here, use this.

[A]

It's the. It's the. I'll read it to you. It's better than block. It's Skin care infused serum foundation. 50 plus sunblock. Get that.

[C]

Okay. Send me. Text it to me.

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This is what you want? Yes.

[C]

Okay. By Laura Geller. Okay, well, then let's move on. Andy celebrates 100 episodes. I got confused here. I'm like, what the hell are we doing right now? Why is this happening? And then I'm like, oh, 100 episodes. Back in the day, they did a big, big special for 100th episode.

[A]

They did.

[C]

Yeah. For Orange county. They did.

[A]

They did nothing for New Jersey.

[C]

He asked Mary about starting on the outside of the group, and now she's really in it now. And things how things were different back then. And remember Mary, like, wasn't it one year? She didn't even show up to the reunion. And they hired her back. I mean, Mary's the only person in Housewives.

[A]

She's TV gold.

[C]

She is TV gold.

[A]

She's absolutely TV gold. But here's the thing. She's honest. She's honest. And they were smart to bring her back. Yeah, they were very, very smart. They saw something in her, which I've seen right from the beginning. And she was gone a season after not showing up.

[C]

Oh. So after the reunion, she did not come back for a season and then they brought her up, brought her back.

[A]

So. But I don't know if she wanted to or if it was that they didn't want. You cannot show up to the reunion. You can't do that. You're under contract even, but you just can't do that. It wasn't great for her, but she grew into it and like she said, she, she feels like she changed the most. I think a lot of people have changed on the show, as we all do. Right.

[C]

Well, when you're on a TV show and it's been like for me, you know, 16 year, whatever, people like, of course you're going to change. If you don't change, then there's something wrong with you.

[A]

Right.

[C]

We change as we get older. Now, Mary says she sees the good in each of them now and that's why she's back. Lisa thinks that the viewers misunderstood her. She's not delusional in any way. And that's what I love about Lisa.

[A]

Wait, she pulls out. What about when she pulls out the like 10 year old picture of her and Ben Affleck?

[C]

Why Ben Affleck in the, in the Mormon community is a big deal. Like, he's. Yes, well, he's on the Mormon Wives. They're saying, Jen Affleck is saying that they're related and they did a Dunkin Donuts commercial together. And now Meredith is like bringing out a picture of Ben Affleck. And did you notice they did not blur his face? So he signed off on that picture.

[A]

He had to. Yeah. Is he another fan of the Housewife?

[C]

He must be talked about.

[A]

He's cute. I think he's cute, but he's cute.

[C]

Well, Heather says she feels like she changed the most in the past six years.

[A]

I believe that. I thought of Heather when they asked who changed the most. I'd have to say her. I think who changed the most this season was Mary. Because when she first started, when she came back last season, she didn't even want to film. She was eating her McFish from McDonald's. You know, she just didn't want to even get out of the car of that. Now she's very involved. She's getting involved with the girls. She's trying to bring them together. Yeah, she's engaging. She's.

[C]

I think it's Mary too. I think she's the one that changed the most. I think Heather has physically changed.

[A]

Physically.

[C]

You know, she's definitely, she's, she's, you know, as the show goes on, she's more successful.

[A]

So that's the thing. I think she's changed, but I think

[C]

personality is still the same. But I feel like she's grown as, as a person. I felt.

[A]

I, I feel like she's much more confident she was when she first started. Yep. Personality wise, I think that she's much more outspoken.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I think she was much more. Not reclusive, I want to say, like subdued, because she wasn't confident in her own skin and she wasn't confident.

[C]

She looks great now and now she has more confidence.

[A]

Yeah. Now, now around and find out because it's me and I'm here and I have two books and I got a documentary and I got. And Bravo likes me.

[C]

Yeah. So I think that, like, I would say Lisa, Meredith, Whitney, they, they're the same people they were when they started six years ago.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

They're the same people.

[A]

So that's why I say Meredith, I don't see a change in her behavior.

[C]

I don't see a change in the same person. Since season one. My husband, he's always talked like that. So that's what I'm saying.

[A]

So I, I mean, I, I, and I, and I just, I don't see a big difference.

[C]

Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna bring up something that's. I know you're gonna be so annoyed. And I, when I watch it, I go, oh, God. I could see Dolores going, ah, God, get her off my teeth.

[A]

Who's crying?

[C]

Brittney bringing her support bear.

[A]

I want to punch the bear in the fucking.

[C]

I know.

[A]

I'm like, you know what I would have did to her bear? I would have threw it on the floor and stomped on it.

[C]

Oh, my God. I just knew.

[A]

I, like.

[C]

Dolores is losing it right now. When this came out, it's kind of. She's becoming a one trick pony at this point. It's a shtick. And Mary's like, she's embarrassing. And I almost died when she said that. I could have lived without Britney walking out and doing the, you know, the pageant wave and bringing her damn stuffed animal with Jared's message in it.

[A]

Please, I love you no matter what. He has no problem saying I love you and stuffing it in a bear, but yet drops her hand when they're walking past a pretty girl. Okay, Okay. I hope you think I forgot that. I don't forget that.

[C]

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Okay, so then when Below Deck is brought up, I need your opinion on this. Heather explains now her story has changed. She and Jason really just hung out a lot. She says if there was a connection, she would have jumped on it and she would have been shouting it from the rooftops. Now, Heather, Heather, Heather. Okay, listen, is this the. Is this the black eye all over again? She insinuated she and Captain Jason hooked up.

[A]

I think Captain Jason didn't want her to say that because maybe Captain Jason is in a relationship at that time.

[C]

Well, also, it wasn't until he denied it on watch. I think it was on Watch what happens live. He denied it, and now her tune is changing me.

[A]

But, you know, sometimes I'm gonna give you, Heather the benefit of the doubts. They do like you. I'm gonna say sometimes we say things to be funny off the cuff, and it comes out in a way that now we have to answer to it. That happens, Tamara.

[C]

It does happen. I don't know her well enough to know if that's her personality. Like, is that what she's doing, or was she just kind of stirring things up? Because she really does like Captain Jason because she said she'd be shutting it from the rooftops and she didn't want Britney going in on him. So maybe she's just like, yeah, you know, we hooked up thinking, like, you know, don't touch him. But then. And then he denied it, and now her tune has changed. She laughs it off.

[A]

She was like, oh, I said that. I. Honestly. Because in case I ever do it, I'm gonna give her the benefit of the doubt because we're all. We're all capable of saying something that now we have to answer.

[C]

I'm gonna know. If I said I hooked up with

[A]

Captain Jason, did she use the word hooked up?

[C]

Yes. And Andy's like. Andy even says hooked up means, you know what she said?

[A]

No, she doubled down.

[C]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It was worse. She said, they around,

[A]

so. Around means what, you jerked them up? Like, what, you made out?

[C]

Well, if I. If I said, yeah, me and him around, I would say, like.

[A]

Like what?

[C]

I don't know. Making out, jerking off. I don't know.

[A]

I mean, different things at different ages.

[C]

I don't know. Me and. Me and Teddy have this thing about hooking up. When I say I hooked up with somebody, that means I. I boned them.

[A]

I never just hooked up with it. If I did that, they were my boyfriend then.

[C]

Right. So she was. It was basically the same situation as the black eye. There was no, like, definite, you know, answer to it. It was like, oh, did I say that? Oh, that's not what I meant. Oh, you meant it. You meant it.

[A]

All right, Heather. Well, Captain Jason maybe wanted to retract that because he may have been in a relationship that he's still in. It's a lie.

[C]

Or it's a lie?

[A]

I don't think it's a lie.

[C]

You think they hooked up?

[A]

I do.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And I think that Captain Jason didn't want to get in trouble for.

[C]

I want Captain Jason to be on the show, and I want to hear what he has to say about it.

[A]

So you're gonna believe him over Heather? No, I don't know.

[C]

I want. I have to hear what he has to say first.

[A]

How are you going to get the truth? You got to know the truth before you ask the question. In my world, that's how I do it.

[C]

Well, I'm going to. I don't know the truth because I was not there. So I listened to Heather, and then I'm going to listen to Jason, and then I'm going to make a very educated decision.

[A]

You know what I want to know? I want to know when that supposedly happened. Could we narrow down when it happened? Because there's always a clue. There's always somebody else that knew. And you know what? I say two people could keep a secret if one is dead.

[C]

Right.

[A]

So there's a third party that knows this. Yes. And I want to know when, where, how, and also, was he in a relationship at the time, and is he still in the same relationship?

[C]

How does he. How could he possibly be in a relationship ever if he's always out in the middle of the sea?

[A]

That's the best kind. Stop it.

[C]

You see him a few times a year, but.

[A]

But, you know.

[C]

Well, then it. That shifts over to Lisa denying she's leaking any stories about Brahma and Ramen. Says somebody on the boat told the media outlet that she was late to the cast trip because of her legal issues.

[A]

Again, I'm going to say there was so many people, so many different avenues that that could have gotten leaked.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So many different. Why are we blaming Lisa unless you have full proof now, it ends with a big cliffhanger. I want to know what's in that scroll.

[C]

Oh, I know. Maybe Bronwyn liked it. Maybe Bronwyn, like, she wanted the intention, so she put it out there.

[A]

That's not attention she'd want.

[C]

But Lisa goes, sorry to break it to you, but nobody was thinking about you. Bronwyn. She's always got something to say.

[A]

Yeah, well, they were thinking about her. Because when someone shows up late, all the rumors start flying, all the assumptions start, all the alleged starts.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm gonna say. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I. There's too many people involved. See, my cop mind has to think. And as far as Captain Jason and Heather, I'm sorry, but if. And, like, we could go back to the hot tub, too. If two people are together in that moment, probably something's gonna happen. Like my brother said to me a long time ago when I wouldn't let Gabby stay home alone with her guy friends after the age of 14 or even after 12. Not that I would leave them home, but, like, keep an eye on them. My brother goes, Nobody's friends after 12 years old. Right. Louis Spagnola told me that. My brother, and he's always been right. He's my confidant and my mentor.

[C]

Well, Andy just flat out asks Angie if Lisa is the source.

[A]

And then out comes the scroll, and

[C]

out comes another prop. Angie says she has proof that Lisa's been trolling her and something to do with her cell phone, the number. Like, I don't know what she's saying.

[A]

We're gonna find out.

[C]

I think she's saying, like, I'm not sure if you could do this, but can you find out somebody's Instagram account? Even if it's like a burner, like a fake one, does it connect to their cell phone number? Is there any way that that happens? Okay, so she might have, like. She might. Lisa might have, like, a fake account and it's linked to her cell phone number.

[A]

Would Lisa be that dumb? She has a cybersecurity.

[C]

I don't know. That's what I'm saying is the only thing I can think of. Like, how does she know? Like, how does. Unless she's got proof from the blogger or whoever she's talking to, I don't know.

[A]

But you know what else I just found out in this episode? I didn't know that Heather, when she asked Lisa about Lux Marketing, I didn't know that Lisa was partners with the Bella twins. Wait, they're friends with Nikki?

[C]

I didn't know that either.

[A]

Yeah. So when Heather says, like, I could talk to you about what I do for a living. I have aesthetic plays. I. I mean, I do the. You know, the wellness beauty, but, like, talk to me about what you do. And Lisa fucking went off. She was, like, nuts about it. Like, when you go after Lisa's or when you want to talk about Lisa's business and what she does, she gets super angry.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

She goes, I don't even know you've been to. Don't ask me what I do.

[C]

I don't even know everything that Lisa does until she started talking about it.

[A]

I.

[C]

When I think about Lisa, I think of the tequila business. That's really the only one that's been totally highlighted on the show.

[A]

I mean, not that it's shit tequila. That's just something that came after. But you know what's funny? Angie then has a tequila business. I have it sitting right here. What is it called? What's that called?

[C]

I have it, too, Podigo.

[A]

Okay. It's right there. Lisa has her tequila business first, you know, like, then. Now she's got the Arby's after the Wendy's. So it was, like, funny and calculated. A lot of.

[C]

A lot of times we get asked to do sponsorships or we get asked to do.

[A]

Put our face on something.

[C]

Yeah, I just got asked that yesterday. And I'm always the one that's like, no. Unless it's, like, something I really believe in and, you know, I have to have a piece of it. I'm not going to do that just to do it, because I think you can.

[A]

You dilute yourself, and then people don't Take you serious. I've lost thousands and thousands of dollars over the years because I won't do that, right? And the day I put my face something, I'm gonna stand behind it and it's gonna be mine and I'm gonna have a lot to do with it. Because for me, the people, my followers, they work really hard for their money, and I. And if they're going to buy something because I stand behind it, then I want to say I. I'd waste my hard money on this too, or I'd spend my. It wouldn't be a waste of money. I really care about people's money, you know, it's just means a lot to me. So. But Heather. But Lisa, man, she went wild on Heather.

[C]

She was like, well, Heather says Lisa is an important friend, but she's not a good friend.

[A]

She's a risky friend.

[C]

Well, she said she wasn't a good friend.

[A]

Oh, not a good friend.

[C]

So I don't put value in people that I think that are not good friends. I just don't. I'll be cordial to you. I'll be around you, especially when it comes to filming and stuff. I wouldn't consider you an important friend.

[A]

She's a good friend to Meredith.

[C]

Yeah, she is.

[A]

She's a really good friend to Meredith, so.

[C]

Well, that was it for episode one of the reunion. We have two more reunions to go. It looks like it's going to heat up. I can't wait to see what is in that scroll.

[A]

Can I ask you, like, not to jump ahead?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What's next? Rhode Island.

[C]

Rhode Island. Is that coming? Is that launching? That's February, right?

[A]

Atlanta's next. Really?

[C]

So Rhode Island, Atlanta are slotted to come out next. Right. So everybody else is either filming or about to film or finishing filming. So we're gonna have, I would say in the next two months, two new shows out. Well, whenever something ends like, you know, Salt Lake City is going to end, usually something takes its place. So is that going to be. Oh, and then they're going to have Ladies of London, too. It's going to be on Bravo, right?

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Well, I guess we'll figure it out, but it's a little bit of a dry spell now.

[C]

Yeah, well, it was. I heard that Ladies of London. I don't know if this is true, but this is what I heard was supposed to come out in December, but something happened and it didn't. So I would imagine those three shows are going to be coming out next because we have Potomac coming to an end soon. We have Salt Lake City coming to an end, so we're going to need some. Some new shows coming out.

[A]

Robbo. Yeah.

[C]

Okay, guys, thank you so much for tuning in to another episode of Two T's in a Pod. And we'll. We'll see you probably tomorrow.

[A]

See you tomorrow.

[C]

See you tomorrow. Bye.

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Plan features and taxes and fees vary. Savings with three plus lines include third line free via monthly bill credits. Credit stop if you cancel any lines.

[C]

Qualifying credit required. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. In 2018, the FBI took down a ring of spies working for China's Ministry of State Security, one of the most mysterious intelligence agencies in the world. The Sixth Bureau podcast is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[B]

Hi, it's Jill Interestein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast where we talk about astrology, natal charts and how to step into your most vibrant life. And today I'm talking with my dear friend Krista Williams. It can change you in the best way possible. Dance with the change, Dance with the breakdowns. The embodiment of Pisces intuition with Capricorn power moves.

[A]

Just so.

[B]

I'm like delicious, delusionally proud of my chart. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you listen to your podcast. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt season two podcast.

[C]

This is a story about a horrendous

[B]

lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything.

[A]

I was a monster.

[B]

Listen to Burden of guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast, Guaranteed Human.