Bronwyn Blues (RHOSLC Recap)

Summary

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Two Ts In A Pod: “Bronwyn Blues (RHOSLC Recap)”

Podcast: Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge
Episode Date: October 23, 2025
Hosts: Tamra Judge & Dolores Catania (subbing for Teddi Mellencamp)
Theme: A candid and emotional recap of the latest Real Housewives of Salt Lake City episode — focusing on shifting relationships, family struggles, and the perennial drama that fuels the franchise.

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the current Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC) season, tackling everything from Heather Gay's new Bravo docuseries, legal disputes on RHOA, and complex cast relationships, to emotional family moments and uniquely “Housewives” scandals (including the now infamous “fartgate”). Tamra and Dolores combine their unique Housewives perspectives to empathetically dissect both the surface drama and underlying wounds.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bravo Headlines: Heather Gay's Exposé and RHOA Lawsuits

• Heather Gay’s New Series:
  • Heather is launching a limited Bravo series, Surviving Mormonism with Heather Gay, uncovering abuse inside the LDS Church. Both hosts express concern for Heather’s safety and emotional well-being.
    • Dolores (03:59): “This kind of scares me for her... Is her safety okay?”
• Spotlight on Legal Battles (RHOA):
  • Kelly Farrell’s ex's $200M lawsuit against Bravo over defamation; Tamra and Dolores call it “ridiculous” and doubt his chances.
    • Tamra (09:20): “You could try to fight NBC, but I don’t think he’s gonna like...”
  • Debate over Phaedra Parks as legal counsel, with questions about whether it’s a conflict of interest.
    • Dolores (12:38): “I personally would probably not. I think it’s a conflict of interest...”

2. Housewives Production & Child Filming Rights

• Discussion about Kelly’s custody situation and filming rights for her kids with both personal anecdotes and production “rules.”
  • Tamra (20:15): “[If] he has joint custody, whether he sees them or not—legally, if he has joint custody he has to sign off.”
  • Dolores (21:08): “I was pretty fortunate. I started the show with my ex, my kids were on the show. But as soon as we got divorced, he would no longer allow the kids to film.”

3. Salt Lake City Deep Dive (Episode 6 Recap): Dramatic Dynamics

• Bullying Accusations:
  • Ongoing dispute about the misuse of the word "bully" on Housewives. Both hosts argue the definition does not fit these adult, TV-fueled arguments.
    • Dolores (24:20): “Using the word ‘bully’ on Housewives is so comical... The show is about bullying.”
    • Tamra (24:43): “I take bullying very seriously in my life... This isn’t my idea of bullying. Guys, stop it. Stop using that word.”
• Bronwyn’s Painful Marriage & Family Dynamics:
  • Strong reactions to Bronwyn’s vulnerable scenes with her husband Todd, who appears emotionally distant and dismissive.
    • Dolores (27:25): “Every time Todd appears on tv, my butthole clinches. This guy is intimidating and scary.”
    • Tamra (28:21): “She has a lot of... hurt in her... But she doesn’t strike me as a woman that’s so affected by someone who acts like that... I’m confused by her.”
    • Both speculate Todd resents the show and may be undermining Bronwyn out of spite.
    • Tamra (30:05): “Guys like him... sometimes have a greater-than-thou attitude and they don’t have to change... he’s kind of punishing her for it.”
• Marriage Trouble Across the Cast:
  • The hosts note visible strain in several couples, including Whitney and Lisa, and reflect on the pressures of reality TV on relationships.
    • Dolores (31:14): “And I appreciate that she’s open about it. And I can tell right now that Lisa’s going through something.”

4. Mary’s Cutting Humor & “Fartgate”

• The hosts revel in Mary’s unfiltered, sometimes mean, but always honest takes and her now iconic on-air fart and subsequent argument with Angie.
  • Tamra (37:53): “If Mary’s mob name would be Mary TV Gold. To me, she is opinionated. She’s not mean.”
  • Tamra (47:36): “Mary’s fight over a fart will go down in Bravo history.”
• Cultural conversation about joking, family backgrounds, and who takes offense at being teased.

5. Lisa vs. The Cast: Defending the Unpopular Housewife

• Dolores asserts Lisa Barlow is unfairly targeted and “carrying the season.”
  • Dolores (52:11): “They’re trying very hard to take Lisa down this season. The girl is getting it from every single direction.”
  • Both point out hypocrisy: Lisa gets blamed for digging up gossip, when others do the same.
  • Dolores (54:32): “There’s not one girl on that show that doesn’t speak their mind... not one girl on that show that’s not digging up shit and throwing it in their face.”
• They address infamous “private investigator” comments and why Lisa is always under suspicion.

6. Emotional Center: Brittany & Olivia’s Painful Coffee Shop Scene

• Both hosts are deeply affected by the estranged mother-daughter conversation, with Dolores sharing her own family alienation experience.
  • Tamra (62:03): “This girl wants so badly, Olivia, so badly to have a relationship with her mother. And her mother just keeps saying things like, I failed, I’m miserable, you know, being there for my kids.”
  • Olivia’s plea, as quoted by Dolores (63:20): “Olivia said, ‘get to know me, ma.’”
  • Tamra (63:33): “I want to say to Brittany, you never stop fighting for your kids.”
  • Heartfelt calls for “group therapy,” second chances, and advice on never giving up.

7. Identity Theft Allegations Against Bronwyn & Double Standards

• Whitney brings up allegations about Bronwyn’s past—Tamra and Dolores note the double standard in how it’s received versus when Lisa does it.
  • Tamra (70:42): “If Lisa brought them up, she’d be called a nasty digging up, and we can’t trust sister.”
• Discussion about how Todd’s reaction is more for his own career and how Reddit and social media often drop the real dirt before the cast even knows.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote / Commentary | |-----------|------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:59 | Dolores | “This kind of scares me for her... Is her safety okay?” (On Heather’s docuseries) | | 09:20 | Tamra | “You could try to fight NBC, but I don’t think he’s gonna like...” (On $200M lawsuit) | | 24:20 | Dolores | “Using the word ‘bully’ on Housewives is so comical... the show is about bullying.” | | 24:43 | Tamra | “I take bullying very seriously... This isn’t my idea of bullying. Guys, stop it.” | | 27:25 | Dolores | “Every time Todd appears on tv, my butthole clinches. This guy is intimidating and scary.” | | 28:54 | Dolores | “She is drawn to people like her husband, like her mom... both very, very harsh.” | | 31:14 | Dolores | “I can tell right now that Lisa’s going through something.” | | 37:53 | Tamra | “If Mary's mob name would be Mary TV Gold. To me, she is opinionated. She’s not mean.” | | 47:36 | Tamra | “Mary’s fight over a fart will go down in Bravo history.” | | 52:11 | Dolores | “They’re trying very hard to take Lisa down this season.” | | 63:20 | Dolores | “Olivia said, ‘get to know me, ma.’” (On the Brittany-Olivia moment) | | 63:33 | Tamra | “I want to say to Brittany, you never stop fighting for your kids.” | | 66:57 | Dolores | “But how brave of her to do this.” | | 73:27 | Dolores | “Will Garnett, he says Mary’s fight over a fart will go down in Bravo history.” |

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 03:36 – Podcast hosts finally introduced, jump into headline news.
• 05:08 – Reaction to Heather Gay’s docuseries and safety.
• 09:20 – Legal drama around RHOA cast.
• 20:00–22:33 – Insight into Housewives production and filming rights with children.
• 23:20 – Full dive into Salt Lake City episode recap and “bullying” discussion.
• 27:12 – Bronwyn and Todd’s on-screen marriage dynamic analyzed.
• 31:14 – Overview of cast marital strife.
• 37:21 – The hosts’ love for Mary and breakdown of her “golden” moments.
• 47:36–50:16 – “Fartgate” discussed in detail, cultural joking differences.
• 51:12 – Lisa called out by many cast members; hosts defend her.
• 54:32–55:25 – The Reddit effect and how cast secrets leak.
• 60:25 – Brittany and Olivia’s tense mother-daughter meeting is analyzed with raw personal testimonials.
• 70:41–71:58 – Whitney brings up Bronwyn’s legal history; discussion of double standards.
• 72:07–73:27 – Listener feedback; acknowledgment that Lisa is getting scapegoated, Mary’s fart-fight called historic.

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Flow & Tone

The episode balances irreverence (hilarious hot takes, bold language, inside jokes) with genuine empathy, especially when tackling family estrangement. Dolores and Tamra offer firsthand Housewives knowledge, behind-the-scenes tidbits, and real-life motherly advice.

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Summary: For Listeners Who Missed It

Dolores and Tamra bring an insightful, emotional, and often hilarious review of RHOSLC’s latest drama. They call out the misuse of “bully,” defend Lisa Barlow against what they see as cast “dogpiling,” probe the vulnerability of cast members like Bronwyn, and give poignant commentary on a devastating family estrangement storyline. Listeners are treated to a masterclass in Housewives analysis—with both hosts blending their personal histories, Bravo expertise, and irrepressible sense of humor for an episode that’s both cathartic and unforgettably entertaining.

Transcript

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Two T's in a pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Tamara Jud.

[Dolores Catania]

Hi guys. Welcome to another episode of Two Teas and Prod with myself, Tamara Judge and Dolores Catania. Hi, Dolores. You look revved up today.

[Tamara Judge]

I am so revved up because you know, I watch the, the episodes before we come on.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes. Oh, so you just watched it?

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, I just watched it.

[Dolores Catania]

I watched it last night a little while ago.

[Tamara Judge]

I watched it, but I'm not, I'm not okay.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm not okay either. We'll get into that, but first we have some headlines that actually include some of the Salt Lake girls. One is Heather. Heather Gay. Heather Gay has a new show come out, A secret, the real Secret Lives of Mormons. This kind of scares me for her. Like if she's exposing. So it's a three, three episode series. It's going to air on Bravo. The Real House of the Salt Lake City. Heather Gay is diving deeper into her Mormon roots with a new limited series. Bravo announced the three part series Surviving Mormonism with Heather Gay giving fans a first look at Gay's journey to uncovering the darker side of the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints. I just feel like sometimes these churches like you, like you remember, I mean it's still around but Scientology and then you had Leah, was it Remedy Remedy or whatever she uncovered? Like I just feel like is her safety okay?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't know. I, I, I don't know. A lot of these people and their difference with their religions that they were raised with have been coming out more and more and they're very rebellious and I can't imagine that the people that run these churches are very happy. Okay. Now I don't think she, I don't, I don't think they seem, I don't know much about their religion. Do you?

[Dolores Catania]

No, I don't No. I. I actually grew up with a friend, Kim Webb. She lived across the street for me. We're friends for years and years. And I used to go. She was Mormon, and I used to go to church with her once in a while. So that's the only thing I know. But I was so young. But Heather is seen sitting down with former members of the LDS Church, including a man who tells her, I spent my life being someone I wasn't. Another woman revealed. My earliest memories are of abuse. So they're uncovering abuse and things like that that's happened. I'm assuming from, you know, what we've heard in the. And the headlines that have come out. It's three parts, like I said, premieres November 11th on Bravo. Yeah. So she's going to expose the secrets that have been kept behind closed doors. I thought that's what her book was about.

[Tamara Judge]

No, the other one.

[Dolores Catania]

She has a couple of books.

[Tamara Judge]

She has a couple books. Listen, she gets a lot.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm just saying. She does. She does. She.

[Tamara Judge]

They. They do. She get. She gets a lot. And I'm happy for her about that, of course. You know, but listen, it's getting harder. We haven't been on a long time now. Camera. And all the shows are really doing well. And when we do come back, it's not going to be easy to catch up. I'm just saying. How do you think? Am I right?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, I don't know. I think that. No, I think that, you know, the originals are going to bring it. I think that time away is going to show where certain people have. If they're even returning. I don't know. We don't know who the cast is yet. We don't. I think what would be hard for you is to return to a cast where most of them are new and you don't know much about them because you face it like it takes years to get to know someone.

[Tamara Judge]

It does. And to establish relationships and history and even the drama. Salt Lake City was on the balls of their ass. They were not doing well. And they made a good turnaround because of the buildup of the things that started to happen. You know, you establish relationships, right. And then. And then all this stuff happens. And then Monica came on.

[Dolores Catania]

I miss Monica. I miss her.

[Tamara Judge]

She was a good housewife.

[Dolores Catania]

She's messy. She's a good housewife. She did something way prior to even being on Housewives, and. And she got, you know, reamed for it. And I think it was a situation. I'm just speculating But I think it's a situation kind of like Katie, the, the cast was the one that did.

[Tamara Judge]

Right?

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. And sometimes I think, like, this is an ensemble cast fudgeing. Deal with it.

[Tamara Judge]

If it.

[Dolores Catania]

And if it doesn't work out in next season, then get rid of them.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, they're lucky they got rid of somebody who brought it and they still survived and did even. They did really well. They're doing. This is a great season, I have to say. And there's a lot going on, a lot to unpack, which I'm looking forward to talking about in a little.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, there's a certain something that's going on that I don't like. And I actually woke up at 3 o' clock in the morning, like, heated about it. And we'll talk about it in a minute. We have a few more headlines now. Real Housewives of Atlanta. Kelly Farrell's ex. We've talked about this before. He is suing Bravo for defamation over abuse allegations. And he wants $200 million according to TMZ.

[Tamara Judge]

So ridiculous. Whatever. You could try to fight NBC, but I don't think he's gonna like.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, I don't know about this Mark claim because Mark claims Kelly spread lies on the show in a fabricated storyline on the show that he abused Kelly, didn't pay back the money. Now, unless there's receipts or he signed a contract with the network, it's going to be a tough one. Well, he's got a case. He says that he and Kelly jointly applied for a $420,000 loan back in 2022 to build out a restaurant called Nana's Chicken and Waffles. He says Kelly spent a bunch of the loan money on her birthday and any and other unauthorized expenses, then fabricated a story that he stole the money from her.

[Tamara Judge]

So $420,000 is not easy to spend on a birthday. Okay. No, he said she rent a yacht. I mean, I don't know.

[Dolores Catania]

But he says he repaid the loan. But she still is pressing forward with the false claims that he stole the money. According to Mark, cast members talked about him on the show saying he's a criminal, an abuser and a fraud.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, she has a restraining order. She has a bodyguard. She has a lot of things. We all know there's two sides to every story.

[Dolores Catania]

But Marca claims that show producers continue to broadcast the allegations despite knowing they were false. He says, I doubt that any producer is going to broadcast anything knowing it's false. So in order for them, I would.

[Tamara Judge]

What do you think about that?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, I would think that these type of allegations are slander if they're not true.

[Tamara Judge]

A slander. How did they say it on Miami?

[Dolores Catania]

A slander.

[Tamara Judge]

A slander. Slander. As Adriana says.

[Dolores Catania]

He says he has damaged his personal and professional reputation at the tune of a hundred million dollars, $100 million. I mean, it's a lot of money.

[Tamara Judge]

He also wants to start with these numbers. Get the out of my face.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, these numbers are crazy. He also wants the court to dole out the additional hundred million in punitive damage to spit, to send a message to the network, bringing a total TO A whopping $200 million is what Kelly's ex wants.

[Tamara Judge]

Kelly's ex, Please stop playing with yourself. Okay, that's. Okay.

[Dolores Catania]

Wait. Kelly's ex was never on the show, right? He never signed. Never signed a release.

[Tamara Judge]

Release, never on the show. And she must have full custody for her to have had the kids on the show.

[Dolores Catania]

That's. That was going to be my next question because Kelly hires co star Phaedra to represent her in court.

[Tamara Judge]

These girls are spending so much money on attorneys. Phaedra, I would hire Phaedra to represent me for anything. I know she's a very good attorney, but what is her specialty? Is her specialty divorce family law?

[Dolores Catania]

I personally would probably not. I think it's a conflict of interest. I think that I would go for attorney that specializes just in this. I thought Phaedra was entertainment attorney.

[Tamara Judge]

I might. So I don't know if. If Phaedra is family law and knowing the network the way that she does, then listen, who knows?

[Dolores Catania]

Charay's ex represented himself.

[Tamara Judge]

They're going on to season 17. That was a long, long time ago. So listen, I hope she gets better results.

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[Dolores Catania]

Well, Kelly filed an emergency petition after her ex husband allegedly interfered with her kids filming. Kelly said she was granted the authority to make decisions related to the kids education, certain health care, religious upbringing. And so.

[Tamara Judge]

But that's different than filming.

[Dolores Catania]

That's different than filming. Now it's been my experience that both parents have to sign in order for the kids to film. Now there might be a loophole if he, if that he doesn't have.

[Tamara Judge]

If he had.

[Dolores Catania]

Does not have zero custody.

[Tamara Judge]

But yeah, he, she has to have full custody if he has joint custody, whether he sees them or not. Legally, if he has joint custody, he has to sign off.

[Dolores Catania]

He has a sign. And her final.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but I think production would have done their homework on that because that's producing 101. I know a lot of girls who didn't get this job because their husbands wouldn't sign off on their kids and they were going through divorce.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes. So I was pretty fortunate. I started the show with my ex, my kids were on the show. But as soon as we got divorced, he would no longer allow the kids to film. But they kept me anyways. But you know, I even asked like, could you film them from behind? Can you not show their face? And they said no, absolutely not.

[Tamara Judge]

They are, they are very strict with that.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. In her filing, Kelly said she was allowed their children to film. Mark has objected, created confusion and prompting the network to demand judicial clarification before continuing to film with the children.

[Tamara Judge]

So here's the thing. He wasn't there. He didn't visit the kids. From what we saw.

[Dolores Catania]

From what we know.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, from what we know. So I think there, there's a lot of unanswered questions and without those we can't really make an assumption of what's really happening here. You don't know.

[Dolores Catania]

And now she's claiming as a mother, my children are a significant portion of my storyline. As such, I consented to their participation. On the Real Housewives of Atlanta season 17, Kelly claimed Bravo and NBC asked for the court to order that Kelly is allowed to film before they continue with the kids being part of the show.

[Tamara Judge]

That means if they had to go ask the court to order, then she didn't have permission. That's how I feel.

[Dolores Catania]

That's a problem.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. You're not kidding.

[Dolores Catania]

That's a big problem. So Phaedra Parks has been hired to help. So I don't know if Phaedra is her main attorney or if she. You know, sometimes people hire a few attorneys.

[Tamara Judge]

So anytime an attorney's involved, you're getting hosed. Not hosed. I'm getting hosed. It's gonna cost money.

[Dolores Catania]

You're getting hosed. Trust me.

[Tamara Judge]

Money.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. I hired in a firm once. I had to pay the main attorney. I had to pay the assistant attorney. I had to pay the. The guy that's training to be attorney. I had to pay the paralegal.

[Tamara Judge]

You just support everyone's family.

[Dolores Catania]

And I'm like, okay, so these.

[Tamara Judge]

These attorneys, literally the sugar daddy for the firm.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. Like, these big attorneys. Like, it adds up. It really does add up.

[Tamara Judge]

A question, a paper.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, God, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Just try to figure it out, guys.

[Dolores Catania]

Yep. Well, let's get into Salt Lake City. This is episode six already now. It starts out with Heather and Angie facetiming. Angie thinks she has wasted time with Lisa and acted wrong. Heather appreciates that Angie is taking accountability. The word bullied is being brought up multiple times.

[Tamara Judge]

Who's bullying who? That's right. Everyone seems to be holding their own.

[Dolores Catania]

Do you think Lisa has bullied Angie and the other ladies?

[Tamara Judge]

Bullied? No one takes her.

[Dolores Catania]

Speaking your mind and saying things. And maybe Lisa says things like, much like me, go suck a dick yourself.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe use a C word.

[Dolores Catania]

You know what I mean?

[Tamara Judge]

You know, I have a feeling Todd doesn't know that he's been dubbed gout dick. I'm just gonna throw it out there.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, wait till he finds out. Wait till he finds out.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, he knows now.

[Dolores Catania]

I just think that using the word bully on housewives is so comical. It's. I mean, it's almost ridiculous, because I feel like the show is about bullying.

[Tamara Judge]

It's about. That's what I'm saying.

[Dolores Catania]

Like, women bullying each other. Bring it up. Shit nobody wants to talk about.

[Tamara Judge]

Almost, like, really wrong. Because the. I take bullying very seriously in my life. I had a sister who was bullied. I went to school. I went to school during very nasty times, before bullying was an actual breaking the law. Like, you got in trouble for it. Teachers got involved. We grew up during very, very hard times back in the 70s and the 80s. And, you know, this isn't my idea of bullying. Guys, stop it. Stop using that word. There are kids that come home from school every day that are bullied.

[Dolores Catania]

My daughter was bullied. She Was bullied bad. And my daughter went through a very traumatic experience. Experience in middle school. And then she got involved with a group of girls that just were bullies. And they bullied her and made fun of her and. And she'd come home crying and some days she'd sit by herself and, you know, it was just girls.

[Tamara Judge]

That's not our idea of bullying. Okay? That's all I'm gonna say. Let's. Let's say somebody's mean spirited. Yeah, somebody's bitch. Yeah, somebody's that.

[Dolores Catania]

So after I'm gonna go as far.

[Tamara Judge]

As to say bully. You're in a small group of women where, yeah, sometimes they gang up on each other, but they're not trying to break you down. I don't feel like. I don't think it's that extreme. I think it's. I think we need to find a different word.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, for sure. I mean, for kids, you know, it's a little different. Like Sophie, at that point, she isolated herself and she would get phone calls when all these girls were having parties and call her at like midnight and go, oh, so sorry, you're not invited. You know what I mean? Like, to me, that's like childhood bullying and things like that. When you're an adult and you're on a reality show that it is all about arguing. It's not bullying. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Listen, it.

[Tamara Judge]

Maybe that's their perception of it, that's what they want to call it, but it's not. I'm sorry, I'm not going to go with bullying. And you know what? You're grown adult and you can handle yourself. I don't see one person here that does not do it. Bullying is a strong word.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Fair enough.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

Ron.

[Dolores Catania]

One tells Todd that Lisa is threatening and hard to handle. Todd doesn't react to Ronwood's story.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Dolores Catania]

But he's not reacting to this story about the psychic. And she gets emotional because she feels she's misunderstood by him. And every time Bronwyn, I don't think.

[Tamara Judge]

This guy has ever been Woody.

[Dolores Catania]

Every time Todd appears on tv, my butthole clinches. This guy is intimidating and scary. I hate that.

[Tamara Judge]

Yes, he is. He.

[Dolores Catania]

You know what? This has pissed me off. Maybe it's because I have an amazing husband.

[Tamara Judge]

I hate sweetheart of a husband.

[Dolores Catania]

I hate that Bronwyn had to open the door and hold it open for Todd at the ice cream store. That bugged me so bad.

[Tamara Judge]

When Bronwyn speaks to him, she speaks to him in the same demeanor of when she speaks to her mom. Her shoulders go down, her head goes down, she looks up and she looks like she's in pain. Now, Bronwyn, I. I don't know. I feel like there's a lot going on. Bronwyn's so well spoken. I really like Bronwyn. She's grown on me, by the way. And I feel bad for her because.

[Dolores Catania]

I feel bad for her.

[Tamara Judge]

She has a lot of. I see so much hurt in her when she talks and. But yet when she's out of the environment and she steps out of that in front of her mother or she's in front of Todd and she's in front of those girls, let me fucking tell you something. She is not frazzled. She doesn't strike me as a woman that's been so affected by someone who acts like that. The way her husband acts towards her. I'm confused by her. I like her, but I'm almost confused.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. I think that she is drawn to people like her husband, like her mom. Her mom and her husband are very, very harsh on her.

[Tamara Judge]

But people like that are usually timid. Tamara, she's not timid like that, away from them.

[Dolores Catania]

I was like, clapping when she finally said to Todd, can you suspend your bullshit meter?

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, yeah. Paul actually was watching that with me.

[Dolores Catania]

And I'm like, thank you, Bronwyn. I mean, and at least he said he was sorry. But he still ate her cherry after she went on and on about it's the best part of her ice cream.

[Tamara Judge]

I've. I've known men like that. And when I'm around that, it makes me feel like it can make you feel less than.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

And. And it chips away at your self esteem.

[Dolores Catania]

Mm.

[Tamara Judge]

But she's not like that when she's not with him. She's awesome. She's. Who knows? You know how?

[Dolores Catania]

I think there's a couple of things that can be happening right now. I think that Todd doesn't like the show. Todd does not like to film.

[Tamara Judge]

He doesn't think I don't want to be there. He does not want to be there.

[Dolores Catania]

But can he just pretend for a minute?

[Tamara Judge]

No. Guys like him who make a fuck ton of money, who are very successful in their life sometimes have a greater than thou attitude and they don't have to change or change anything for anyone. And she's doing something she doesn't need. She clearly has a lot of money. She clearly is married to a wealthy man and this is something she wants to do. So he's kind of punishing her for it.

[Dolores Catania]

Do you think that it could potentially break up their marriage?

[Tamara Judge]

I think this could potentially break up anyone's marriage. There's a lot of marriages that I see on this show. In particular, what we're. If we want to just talk about Salt Lake City, there's a hand. There's a couple of marriages here that I say are a little bit not doing so great right now. Yeah, I'm looking. You know, Whitney's marriage has been not great. Who else? Well, Lisa's marriage isn't. Is not good right now.

[Dolores Catania]

No, no. And I appreciate that. She's open about it. And I can tell right now that Lisa's going through something. I don't know.

[Tamara Judge]

And isn't Mary divorced or Mary's getting divorced?

[Dolores Catania]

I have no idea what's going with Mary. All I know is her husband doesn't film or her ex husband or they're not together. I don't know. I have no idea. We don't. She doesn't really talk about him. We don't see him.

[Tamara Judge]

I felt like I thought they were separated. Mary, I ain't picking a fight with you. I love Mary.

[Dolores Catania]

You do not want to pick a fight with Mary.

[Tamara Judge]

He hates the show, the husband.

[Dolores Catania]

But listen, a lot of husbands hate the show.

[Tamara Judge]

Not everybody gets away with not having their husband or their children film. And I'm open to somebody saying, you're wrong, because I'm talking about them. Who am I to speak about them? I'm speaking about what I see. If they want to say, no, you got this wrong, Dolores. I'm like, fine, but speak to me respectfully when you see me.

[Dolores Catania]

And we also know not everything's shown. Not everything. Like, I've had people call me from other shows and said, tamara, like, why would you say that? And I'm like, well, this is what I'm seeing. She's. And she'd be like, well, this is what you didn't see. I go, well, that makes all the difference in the world. And that's going off what we say. We're going off what we see. And then when you. They purposely do that so they have stuff to talk about at the reunion right now.

[Tamara Judge]

The story with the psychic and I. There isn't a guy that I've ever been with that would believe a psychic that I.

[Dolores Catania]

My husband would laugh his ass off.

[Tamara Judge]

Paul's like, take that. You know, that crazy person. I'm not buying it. And men really typically don't.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, guys, normally guys think like, any kind of psychic is yeah. And I'm sure they think it's, like, a charlatan or 90 of them probably are.

[Tamara Judge]

And Todd does not strike me as the guy that would fall for something like that.

[Dolores Catania]

I, I mean, I have a guy that's been on the show with me, Scott Cruz.

[Tamara Judge]

Is he really good?

[Dolores Catania]

He's really good. And he's usually 99. Correct.

[Tamara Judge]

Have you spoke to him lately?

[Dolores Catania]

Yes, I have. Oh, yes, I have. And he has helped him out tremendously.

[Tamara Judge]

Can I talk to him?

[Dolores Catania]

Yes, I. We want to have him on the show, on the podcast, so maybe the free. Yep, we're gonna do it. We're gonna do it.

[Tamara Judge]

Okay, fine. So.

[Dolores Catania]

So he just said, you know, Lisa talking with John, he's. He's just like, okay, so, no, listen.

[Tamara Judge]

This guy's kind of. I, I, I'm worried about them in their marriage. I think that they better reel it in before this snowballs. I've seen this before. There's definitely a distance. She's upset. And, you know, you have to also look at this also. Like, Lisa's saying a lot of things. Lisa's fighting with a lot of people. But you also. Let's look past what we see and look at the fact that Lisa is. Got a lot going on at home. Clearly.

[Dolores Catania]

Elisa's been married a long time, and even though, like, these lawsuits, I don't know if they're all dismissed, I don't know what's going on. That's extremely stressful. And how people deal with stress is very different. For me, personally, I shut down. I completely shut down. I don't care if someone's coming after me. I get emotional, and I just want to walk away. And that's what I did all season long, rightfully so. I didn't know what was going on with Teddy, you know, and people like, oh, you're gonna use.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you know what?

[Dolores Catania]

God forbid somebody extremely close to you gets so sick like that. You tell me how you're gonna film. You tell me how you're gonna get your ass up every single day. Work, then go film a show.

[Tamara Judge]

Right?

[Dolores Catania]

All of you.

[Tamara Judge]

And the same goes for, you know, being sick is much worse than fighting with your husband. But the same goes for. It's all relative. Like, you're behind closed doors. Your. Your marriage is falling apart, Your marriage.

[Dolores Catania]

With your kids, all. There's a lot of reasons why it's not easy. And not everybody deals with stuff the way they should.

[Tamara Judge]

But John says they aren't on the same page, and she's like, so why don't we talk? And he goes, because you won't listen anyway.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, did you, did you hear her, him start to talk? And she talked right over him and he just sat there and shook his.

[Tamara Judge]

Head and he's like, I'm done. Lisa, Lisa, I, I like your marriage. I think you should start listening or try to. The guy's saying you're not listening to what I'm saying. Maybe in the past she has and she's over it. I don't know. But she seems to be upset over the state of their marriage. So I want her. I, I don't want her to lose it if she wants to stay together.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm not convinced that's what, what she's upset about. We've seen Lisa on defense mode all season long. Now you have to remember the very first episode she was not in, and all they did was talk about these lawsuits against her. So she comes in to all this about this guy's suing you and you're using his card and you're doing this. So she's coming from a place of defense and maybe things aren't great at home. Who knows? They're obviously having communication problems. We know, right? I don't think it's like they're ready for divorce or anything like that. Doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal.

[Tamara Judge]

Doesn't look good.

[Dolores Catania]

It doesn't look great. I just think John's just tired of not getting a word in. Right. I don't know. Maybe we're going to find out more.

[Tamara Judge]

I can see how someone would be tired of not getting a word in. Yeah. If that's the case. But.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

It's never just that there's so much more, I'm sure.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, you know, you know who's never short of getting words in? Mary.

[Tamara Judge]

All of them.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, all of them. But Mary, Mary, like, her words are so cutting and so funny and sometimes kind of mean. When Mary goes to Angie to talk, I mean, she like, oh, you're answering the door. Usually have to let myself in. Oh, here. I. Angie's like, here, I got you a drink, but it's not low calorie. I wouldn't drink that. You shouldn't drink it either. I'm like, oh, my God.

[Tamara Judge]

TV Gold.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

If Mary's mob name would be Mary TV Gold. To me, she is opinionated. She's not mean. Okay. Yes.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay. Sometimes there's a fine line between being, being overly opinionated and, and mean. It could have been like, oh, thank you so much for that. But I only drink.

[Tamara Judge]

She doesn't have a filter. Have a filter.

[Dolores Catania]

I'll never drink that, Joe. But sugar's in that.

[Tamara Judge]

Like, oh, the girls handle her so well. But, you know, this talk with her and Angie, wow, she. She. Does she remind you of Vicki?

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, Vicki's pretty opinionated, but I think that. I think that Mary. I think she wins. I really do. Yeah, I think she wins.

[Tamara Judge]

Mary wins the gold. As far as I'm concerned. I'm concerned. But there's parts of me that really understand Mary, and it goes back to her childhood, and she's very open about it. And she's like, the behavior of Angie being so violent and throwing things and blind anger, she goes, that triggers me. And that. That I can't be around that. I get that, Mary. I understand you.

[Dolores Catania]

You know what? It's so funny that you say that, because I understand Heather debrow more after seeing that scene, because Heather started a conversation about her father being very, like, getting mad and getting explosive. And at the time, I just thought, like, oh, okay, I didn't know. Like, oh, where you're saying, I'm that way and I trigger you. So, you know, it's all about what happens in your past and all the trauma that has created, and that is how you deal with the things that come your way. So I got to believe just the little things that Mary has told us. She went through a lot as a.

[Tamara Judge]

Child, and I. I absolutely understand her. I think she's very honest. I think she's very vulnerable at times. And when she was talking about how she feels about Angie, like, this was a really emotional episode for a lot of reasons, and if it could get me to the point I got at when I was watching it, it's good. So when she was saying, listen, I love hard when I finally let somebody in, and I've really let Angie in that special place. I don't know why. I don't know what it was about Angie that. That she got to that part in her. Angie's very smart. Angie's real. Angie, I want to say, is one of the smarter ones on this cast, believe it or not. Like, she's like, there's a. I think they're all smart and they're very. You know, Meredith is educated and there's a lot.

[Dolores Catania]

But Heather Gay is very intelligent, too.

[Tamara Judge]

Very intelligent. Heather Gay. Angie's a different level smart. Angie. Street smart and, yes, super streets, and.

[Dolores Catania]

Sometimes that gets you farther.

[Tamara Judge]

And she got. She got to that place with Mary, and she's there. And Mary's like, I like hearing Mary speak about how much she loves Angie. Yeah, was I was a little bit surprised. But I also know like Angie, don't cross her because if she's here with you and you cross her, you're, you're, you're in trouble.

[Dolores Catania]

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[Dolores Catania]

She says that Angie is supposed to be a sister, but she isn't. She says she's becoming a bully. And I just have a hard time with that word. In Housewives, you know, we overused and it's. We all, at one point or time get upset with each other. You know, it takes me back to, you know, you and Margaret are great friends, but there was a scene where she said, you were there and you, like, you lost it. Yeah, because you're like, no, I wasn't. And you, like, you. You lost it. And that. That's what happens on these shows. It doesn't mean you're a bully.

[Tamara Judge]

No, it. It built. It was a build up. Also, these shows are build ups. And like you said when we first started today, you said that it's really hard to start with a new cast because the build ups are what people watch, right? Because.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, there's no history with you. There's no buildup.

[Tamara Judge]

There's no build up. There's no history. We're starting from scratch, which. The flatulence. Mary talking about farting and how Angie treated her when she farted. Now, did I miss it? Did she come onto the scene and fart and go, oh, sorry, I farted.

[Dolores Catania]

Like, I heard, like, she basically said that she had gas. She goes, I don't know why I have so much gas. And then she. And then, you know, she's like, okay, maybe you should sit over there. She brought it up herself.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, but then the way Angie handled it, like, they made her feel embarrassed that she said, well, then don't bring it up. I think she farted.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay, well, you farted. It happened.

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, she didn't fart, though. Okay, well, they didn't have to be like, well, she must over there.

[Dolores Catania]

She must have farted because she. This is the first time ever we are having a fight on housewife shows about farting.

[Tamara Judge]

I. By the way, it's funny because I'm. Because Meredith said on Watch what Happens Live that she wasn't allowed to say that word growing up, and neither was I. Fart. Yeah. My grandmother goes, that's a low class word. Don't ever say that. And so we never did. Meanwhile, don't even ask the way I grew up, where I grew up, it was like crate, like craziness fights in the middle of the night.

[Dolores Catania]

Like, did you just not talk about it or you just, like, you just.

[Tamara Judge]

Didn'T say the word.

[Dolores Catania]

You would just, like, walk into A room and crop dust everybody and then just be.

[Tamara Judge]

Wasn't me. No, it was like, did you do a Peter Doe? I don't know where that name came from.

[Dolores Catania]

Peter Doe. Never even heard of.

[Tamara Judge]

I don't even want to talk about it.

[Dolores Catania]

Would you.

[Tamara Judge]

Would you be upset? Scene ever. I don't like when someone makes you feel stupid about saying something. I don't like it. And Angie kind of did make her feel stupid about saying it. Mary does not like to be made fun of. We should all know Mary by now. Damn, Angie.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, next time, Mary, don't. Don't tell the group that you. You got gas. How about that?

[Tamara Judge]

Well, you should be able to be yourself and be vulnerable in front of your friends and say, I've guessed and not be made fun of for it.

[Dolores Catania]

See, I'm the opposite. I'd be like. I'd probably be ripping them. I'd be like, here you go. I got gas. Do you want more? There's more where that came from.

[Tamara Judge]

I know, but you could do that. But. But like, they made her feel stupid about saying it. Angie, what's the matter, Angie? I mean, dog, are you farting? Dog has stomach issues. Let me tell you, if I put her next to the microphone, you'd hear her stomach. I'm telling you.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, poor thing. I think that Mary was fine with the first joke, but then Angie kept carrying it on, but I don't think it was that deep. And then Mary finally said, I didn't come to cry. I came to tell you off, you know?

[Tamara Judge]

But, like, would I have been upset about Angie making fun of my farts? Yeah, because I told you the truth, and then you made fun of me.

[Dolores Catania]

So then I have thicker skin. I don't give a about that kind of stuff.

[Tamara Judge]

It's an Italian thing. We don't like to be made fun of. Like, Paul, Irish people, they call. It's called. They take the piss out of each other. They think it's funny to make fun of. Italians get offended very easily, okay?

[Dolores Catania]

That's why me and Paul get along so well.

[Tamara Judge]

I know Italians are like the. You're making fun of me, you, your mother. So, no, Italians don't think it's funny.

[Dolores Catania]

Okay, let's start talking about Lisa because I got a lot to say.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, I have to say, Heather shopping with Lisa again. These friends, like, Mary's calling out Angie and Heather's calling out Lisa. These are friends, guys. These are real friends. I'm impressed. You should be able to tell your friends when they're fucking up I feel.

[Dolores Catania]

Like they're trying very hard to take Lisa down this season. The girl is getting it from every single direction.

[Tamara Judge]

Mary has her back, though.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, but this conversation annoyed me. Lisa asked to bring glam to the yacht. That annoyed me.

[Tamara Judge]

But that. That noise, you know how she's about her glam. Remember she had an absolute meltdown.

[Dolores Catania]

Right, Right. Like, if you want to fight with Lisa about something, fight about her being pretentious. Fight about her, you know, wanting to name drop. Fight about her, about her glam and her fancy clothes. Don't fight about her about bringing shit up, because that's what this show is about.

[Tamara Judge]

They are doing her job. Lisa, she gets commercials.

[Dolores Catania]

Yep. Lisa's getting the Tamra. That's what she's getting. She's getting the Tamra this season. She's getting blamed for everything. They're trying so hard to take our girl down. If Lisa wasn't on this season, what would these ladies have to talk about the first couple episodes? Nada.

[Tamara Judge]

She's carrying this. Nothing.

[Dolores Catania]

I have to say, she wasn't even on the camping trip. And she was talked about. Not only was she talked about, she was. It was. Her legal issues were brought up. Now, do you know if she did that, you know what she would say?

[Tamara Judge]

Oh, you're digging. You're digging. Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Yes. You're. Look at you. You're digging things up. You're digging things up.

[Tamara Judge]

It's like traitors. Right now you're getting accused for something. You're. No one really has the proof that you really didn't. Only be by her past, by way of her past. Where was there any proof in the past that she brought these things up or brought them to light or. Well, she calls her the minute you call and you say, I have a private investigator. I'm calling my private investigator firm or I got something on everybody. I have a private investigator. You know what? Now you. You say that now you're getting your. Putting yourself. When something comes out, they're going to blame you.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, but I mean, did she say she's got on people or did she say last season that I have a private investigator and I will get to the bottom of it?

[Tamara Judge]

That's what she said? Yeah. Okay, so then why does everybody blame Lisa when something comes out in the press about them?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, in this episode, in this episode, Whitney brings something up about Bronwyn. Some legal shit from 10 years ago. Again, if our friend Lisa brought that up, she'd be like, oh, Lisa, you're a risky friend. According to Heather, you're why? Because you're doing what everybody else is doing on this show. You need to show me more proof. You need to show me what's going on. Lisa is someone who speaks her mind. There's not one girl on that show that doesn't speak their mind. Not one girl on that show that is not digging up shit and throwing it in their face.

[Tamara Judge]

This might not be a popular opinion, but sometimes other people are jealous of the housewife that gets the most attention.

[Dolores Catania]

The one that's at the top always tries to get knocked down. Now this new thing about. They talked about something. If bad stories come out in the press, it's got to be from Lisa.

[Tamara Judge]

There's more than one person on the show. And how about the millions of followers that dig this up before a housewife even does?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, a lot of this stuff that's being talked about, especially Reddit.

[Tamara Judge]

There's something called Reddit?

[Dolores Catania]

Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

If you really want to know.

[Dolores Catania]

You want. Yes.

[Tamara Judge]

We don't need Lisa Barlow to find this out.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, Reddit digs up everything, from what I hear. I'm not a big Reddit person, but I get sent to me from Reddit.

[Tamara Judge]

Paul tells me what he.

[Dolores Catania]

And I'm like, holy. These people go deep.

[Tamara Judge]

They do. I don't go. I don't actually even know how to go on Reddit, but I can tell you that, yeah, it doesn't. You don't need a housewife to find that stuff out. So Lisa's getting.

[Dolores Catania]

And listen, I get it, guys. Lisa is sharp with her words. Her words could be mean. I get it. But Heather's saying that, you know, she's a mean. Heather, we've seen you be a mean too. And to say that you're a risky friend. That was said about me. That was said. Can't trust. Well, when I have friends, I am the most loyal to my friend and I will somebody up if they go after my friend.

[Tamara Judge]

You've been loyal to me.

[Dolores Catania]

Yep.

[Tamara Judge]

I have a.

[Dolores Catania]

One of my, like, dearest friends now. When you're on a TV show, well, you know what if my husband's in trouble with the law or and it's in the press or whatever, you bet your sweet ass someone's going to bring it up.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah, but how about this? Heather defends Angie, telling Lisa that everything she hates Angie on she's also done too, but so has everybody at one time or another.

[Dolores Catania]

Do you think Lisa and Angie are similar? Yeah, yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

In a way, yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. I think they're sharp with their tongue. I think that they, they had the one liners just to slide off of their. Their tongue. I think that they're great tv. I, I, it is what it is.

[Tamara Judge]

But I did like they.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, we did get some clarification on soup man. It's soup man, not soup man.

[Tamara Judge]

I needed that clarification.

[Dolores Catania]

Would you rather have a man in a suit or a man that to bring you soup? A suit suit.

[Tamara Judge]

Because the man in the suit is going to give me the money to pay the man in this for the soup man to bring it to me.

[Dolores Catania]

Good. That is a good way of thinking about it. So Heather finding out it's a suit man, first of all, he sounds a lot hotter. She said, so you think, you know, a suit man's much hotter than a soup man.

[Tamara Judge]

I still, I still am not.

[Dolores Catania]

Is there such thing as a soup man?

[Tamara Judge]

There is on Seinfeld. It's famous.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, yes.

[Tamara Judge]

So I'm still not sold on that. That just. Yeah. I don't know. I'm so confused about that. That's all I'm gonna say.

[Dolores Catania]

So we need to find out how the suit man is. Maybe we will, maybe we won't.

[Tamara Judge]

No. Apparently Lisa said no, no, no. But I have to rewatch it. I'm gonna pass.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, they're constantly accusing this woman have an affair and doing all this.

[Tamara Judge]

Angie.

[Dolores Catania]

No, Lisa, wait. Who's the one that has a suit man? Is it Angie or is it Lisa? Okay, okay, it's Angie. Okay. I was thinking it's the other way around.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah. No, I'm confused. But I'm. You know what? I'm not even going to spend time on this. I'm not. I don't care. There wasn't enough said about it. There was no proof on it. I'm gonna pass on this.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, there's one thing that I hate that Housewives say. You've gone after every person on this cast. When you've been on a show long enough, you have had confrontation with almost every cast member. So shut your mouth.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, that's what makes the show, right? Is what makes the show.

[Dolores Catania]

Yep.

[Tamara Judge]

And it's. It's that what? That is the nature of the beast.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Now let's get to this. Was. Listen, Heather defends Angie. It's really hard coming. I don't know how close Heather and Lisa really are, but that's really hard when you're fighting with someone to hear someone else defend them. You don't want to hear it. It's still emotional. It's still hot. You're going to Be mad at that person instead of defending. Defending Angie. I think Heather should have came at Lisa in a way where. Listen, I'm your friend. I'm here. If you're going through a lot at home, it looks like you're upset about your marriage to some extent. You did say that. Let's talk about that, Lisa, because I don't. You're not looking good. And, you know, let's. Let's chill out on Angie and let's really focus on what a real problem is. That's number one. So I don't think Heather came at least as she kind of set her up to fail here. Fine, whatever. Let's get to the crux of this. Britney's meeting with her daughter. Because I can't talk.

[Dolores Catania]

Tamara, how do you think I feel? Somebody that's actually gone through this. Brittany, having this conversation at a coffee shop is so familiar to me. I was actually teary eyed when I watched this. Simon and I would do the same thing with the kids. It was a neutral place. It was usually at Starbucks. It was usually sitting outside on a patio. Very neutral. But our conversations went a lot different than what we learned about Brittany. I mean, I was cringing at Brittany's story about Olivia coming over to talk to her and she had Jared there and they were making out.

[Tamara Judge]

Olivia brought that up. It started with Britney talking about giving her a childhood memory that she didn't remember. And I think when she was four. When she was four. And I think Olivia, maybe it was nice of her to hear a childhood memory from her mother because she remembers her mother in a way that she was the best mom till I was 12. She was always there. She was at everything. She was at every event, every school play, everything there was. She played with us. That's my mom. That was my mom. And I know it's in there. I. Tamara, I'm not. Okay, I can't talk about this. I'm not equipped to talk about this. So I'm gonna let you take it from here because this is. I don't understand it. I'm saying. Sick over it. I'm sick.

[Dolores Catania]

I. You and me both. You and me both. Because this girl wants so badly, Olivia, so badly to have a relationship with her mother. And her mother just keeps saying things like, I failed. I'm miserable, you know, being there for my kids. And I like. It's this total opposite of the situation that I've had to deal with. The total opposite. My children were alienated and told things that were so disgusting that now two of My children don't speak to their father because now they're older and they are disgusting, disgusted by the things that they were told. My other daughter, when I see her, I have seen her recently, very kind and very sweet girl. But we're not back to where we should be. And I would give anything to have that conversation that Britney had with her daughter and to sit there and her daughter to say the things she said.

[Tamara Judge]

Olivia said, get to know me, Ma.

[Dolores Catania]

Get to know me, Ma.

[Tamara Judge]

And Brittany is just, like, giving up. She's like, it's so far gone. How do I.

[Dolores Catania]

So it's. It's opposite for me. It's. In my situation.

[Tamara Judge]

I want to say to Brittany, you never stop fighting for your kids.

[Dolores Catania]

Never.

[Tamara Judge]

And the fact that Olivia came to you, you still can have a relationship moving forward. She's. She's embracing it. She's saying, mom, get to know me. And you're like, I don't. Just. I don't know where to start. And. And Olivia is saying, mom, put. Put your kids first for once and get to know me. And this is, you know, Brittany, don't give up on this. You could still do this for both of you. You've lost so much. I get it. This girl had to go to her father to talk about her periods. And she's like, yeah, that wasn't great, Ma. And you're like, I'm sorry.

[Dolores Catania]

She's lucky her daughter still speaks to her.

[Tamara Judge]

There's a chance you still can do this if you want it, Britney. How about grovel, crawl, lick the bottom of her sneaker, lay on the floor and say, walk on me. Do whatever you have to do to feel better, and I'm here. And from here on in, in your life, I'm going to be here. Only if you mean it. Because this girl is so afraid that you're going to hurt her again. When she was in between her jobs and took the 30 minutes she had to come see you, whatever scumbag boyfriend you had that walked in the scumbag fucking room, right, and fucking made out with you in front of her. What are you doing, scumbag guy? Okay, okay. That's in the past.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, she was sending a message to poor Olivia that she's not important, whoever that guy is.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, Brittany, if you're broken, I get it. But unbreak yourself and group therapy, you have a chance, something.

[Dolores Catania]

And I don't. I don't do that. I do not want to mom shame anybody.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm not mom shaming her.

[Dolores Catania]

And this is a situation Where I've done a lot of research. I did a short movie, like a little documentary on it, and have met with people that have gone through the same thing. It's more common than, you know, that a child at a certain age will turn on a parent and just go on with your life. Now, you have to understand, there's a history on my ex's side of the family of doing that, like my family. We will fight. It's. You know, family's not easy. But I just.

[Tamara Judge]

Here's the start of this. What I'm saying is Brittany didn't deny what happened with Jared that day. She's like, I'm just sorry.

[Dolores Catania]

He should have never been there.

[Tamara Judge]

It was. It happened. It happens. You know, sometimes you're vulnerable. I'm not. I'm not. Mom shaming Brittany, because I cannot. I'm not going to badmouth her. I'm just going to say to you, brittany, you know what you did. You feel guilt. I think you feel so guilty. Like, does it cut so deep that you can't even cry or fix it or what? But you're. If you don't see this, Brittany, this. This Olivia is sitting in front of you saying, get to know me. You need to say, where do I start? What do you want from me? How can I do it? Let me start now.

[Dolores Catania]

But how brave of her to do this.

[Tamara Judge]

She's a strong girl.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

How she wants to forgive her mother, which is so hard to do. She wants her mother to get to know her. But she is deathly afraid of her mother turning on her again for another. For a guy. And you know what, Brittany, to your credit, if you don't think you can do that, then don't start this. Yeah, Don't. Don't go here. Don't.

[Dolores Catania]

No.

[Tamara Judge]

I think it would be worse for her to hurt Olivia again in that way than to not do it at all.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah, that was a tough scene. I mean, I have to give them both credit for sharing this conversation. For me personally, I pray for them.

[Tamara Judge]

I want to pray for them. They broke my heart.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't.

[Tamara Judge]

Broke my heart.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know. I could do it.

[Tamara Judge]

I. I couldn't even live through watching it. I got very upset. I'm still upset. And I watched hours and hours ago, and I.

[Dolores Catania]

Do you think that Britney was so nervous that the things that were coming out of her mouth just weren't the right things to say?

[Tamara Judge]

I don't think that Brittany has the wherewithal to handle this. I think she's.

[Dolores Catania]

Because he's so sorry.

[Tamara Judge]

She's like. She said to me, I shouldn't say to me. She said to Olivia, I don't know are in her confessionals. So one of them said. She said, I. I don't know how to fix this. I think it's so bad. I think what I did was so bad. You can't. Living with guilt is probably the worst thing.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, then get help. As a parent, she is. Well, I say that nervous situation because Spencer at a young age, teenage, hadn't seen his dad for a while. And we sat down at Starbucks and all I ever wanted was the other kids to reconnect with her dad. It wasn't the other way around. It wasn't him wanting her to. That's how I felt. I never felt like he wanted Sydney to reconnect with me. Now, of course, this was 10 years ago, maybe even longer. And the first thing Simon said to Spencer, wow, you have acne just like your sister had it.

[Tamara Judge]

And after people are not parents.

[Dolores Catania]

And afterwards I said to him, you know, when the kids were, you know, over the phone, why would you do that? Like, is that your icebreaker? He's like, I just got nervous. I didn't know what to say.

[Tamara Judge]

I believe that it's not okay. To tell you the truth. I can't move on from that scene. You could finish this. Meredith and Heather go on this walk and they're like, oh, look how beautiful. It just looks cold and dreary and dim to me because I was so broken from the scene before this. I don't know what they said. I wasn't interested in what they had to say. I.

[Dolores Catania]

It was just more gossip, you know, is Angie feeding information about, you know, the merit of it all? And it's just like after that scene. Exactly. And doesn't make that much like it doesn't give that much of a punch. Yeah, you know, it's. It's just so hard. And then Whitney, Mary and Angie hang out. Whitney talks about Bronwyn's allegations of identity theft. And Whitney hasn't heard from her. And here we go. Whitney bringing up allegations about Bronwyn and legal issues.

[Tamara Judge]

It wasn't Lisa.

[Dolores Catania]

It wasn't Lisa. But if Lisa brought them up, she'd be called a nasty digging up. And we can't trust sister.

[Tamara Judge]

Well, isn't it the world a double standard? Haven't we always said this? Well, here's the thing. That's all good, but now we got another thing to look at. Bronwyn's. These allegations about one holy And Todd.

[Dolores Catania]

Did not help her out whatsoever. As they're sitting down talking about it, Ronwin says everything that happened was over 10 years ago and was dismissed. She says that she can't legally. If it's dismissed, why can't you legally talk about it?

[Tamara Judge]

Was it before she met him? After she met him?

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know, but it was. It was sealed, and I don't know why it was sealed. If it's dismissed, why can't you talk about it? Todd is concerned these allegations are now going to affect his career. He doesn't want to go. What? Doesn't want her to go on the yacht either, because he knows it will end in a fight between Bronwyn and Lisa. I don't know. Well, probably. I would imagine Bronwyn thinks Lisa is starting these rumors or at least perpetuating them. The rumors, by the way, These rumors were on Reddit. These rumors were on social media. So is it her fault if Lisa did bring it up? No. That's what we do on the show.

[Tamara Judge]

No one's on Lisa's side enough to say this. You're the only one saying it.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, there's just one thing Todd said that really made me sick.

[Tamara Judge]

You don't like Todd, do you?

[Podcast Announcer]

No.

[Dolores Catania]

When he said, I wouldn't know. I wouldn't piss on her.

[Tamara Judge]

Her brain if it was on fire.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. I'm like, bronwyn, blink twice if you're in trouble. We'll come get you. We'll come get you. But it was a doozy of an episode.

[Tamara Judge]

You know, hard to beat. Guys, you know, I got a lot.

[Dolores Catania]

Of messages because I asked, like, what were your thoughts on the show? And, you know, there's people like, oh, Lisa needs to stop. And I'm like, I'm sorry.

[Tamara Judge]

I'm not. Lisa's getting a bad rap.

[Dolores Catania]

No, she is. Runs with stuff. Said Todd seems completely checked out. Jessica McCoy, 27, Brittany's daughter, is begging for her attention. Was.

[Tamara Judge]

It was so Olivia. Olivia's so strong. That girl's beautiful. She's tall. She's.

[Dolores Catania]

I know.

[Tamara Judge]

Beautiful than her mom. Olivia, if you hear this, I just want to tell you, just want to give you all the love and. And respect for you, how you handled this and. And the. The woman that you are and what you've come to be. So I give you a lot of credit for the forgiveness you have for your mom and for still wanting a relationship for her, and that's the right thing to do, even for yourself, because hate and resentment is an anchor in your life.

[Dolores Catania]

I know. I know. Well, Will Garnett, he says Mary's fight over a fart will go down in Bravo history. Oh, my God. But, yep, that was it. It was. It was packed full of a lot of. A lot of stuff.

[Tamara Judge]

We unpacked a lot of stuff.

[Dolores Catania]

All right, well, okay, guys. Well, thanks for tuning.

[Tamara Judge]

We have to pray for them. I. I mean, I. A lot of people say, I'll pray for you. I'm really gonna pray for Olivia today. I really am. I promise.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, I hope that they can.

[Tamara Judge]

My heart breaks. Kids and animals. It's my weakness.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Tamara Judge]

Older, fighting. I don't really give a. I watch them fight all day.

[Dolores Catania]

I enjoy all day.

[Tamara Judge]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Suck a dick.

[Tamara Judge]

Bye. Bye.

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[Dolores Catania]

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[Tamara Judge]

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