By Order of the Faithfuls: Is This The Real Rob? (Traitors Recap)

Summary

Two Ts In A Pod – By Order of the Faithfuls: Is This The Real Rob? (Traitors Recap)

Original Air Date: February 21, 2026
Hosts: Teddi Mellencamp, Tamra Judge
Guest Analysts: Wells Adams & Dolores Catania (for this episode’s recap)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Two Ts In A Pod" recaps Episode 10 (the penultimate episode) of Season 4 of “The Traitors”. The show’s dedicated Traitors analysts, Wells Adams and Dolores Catania, break down the high-stakes semifinals, zeroing in on Rob’s unraveling, shifting alliances, and the intense psychological toll the game is having on the remaining cast members. The duo discuss game theory, emotional fallout, the complexities of loyalty and betrayal, and tease both the finale and the explosive reunion to come.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Reunion and Character Re-evaluations

Timestamp: 02:07–04:56

• Wells returns after a multi-episode absence and is welcomed warmly by Dolores, sparking a candid chat about first impressions, authenticity, and the importance of giving people a second chance.
  • "When I first met you, I didn't think you were that nice. And I think you're the nicest person I ever met in my life." – Dolores (03:12)
  • “Be kind, for everyone you know is fighting a hard battle.” – Wells (04:35)
• They both express appreciation for kindness and reevaluating initial judgments, highlighting the show's theme of perception versus reality.

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2. The Traitors Semifinal: Rising Tension & Rob in the Crosshairs

Timestamp: 04:56–10:36

• The episode centers on the escalating pressure surrounding Rob (“pretty boy snake charmer”), whose charm and manipulation have started to show cracks.
  • “It seems like the walls are closing in a bit on pretty boy snake charmer Rob.” – Wells (05:09)
  • Dolores describes the heavy “weight of lying,” empathizing with how hard it must be both for actual traitors and faithfuls who feel betrayed.
  • They note the irony and emotional complexity as Maura, who’d been wronged by a lying boyfriend on "Love Island," now pins her trust on Rob—also deceiving her.

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3. Game Dynamics: Alliances, Betrayals, and Emotional Fallout

Timestamp: 10:36–18:10

• The cast’s exhaustion and psychological turmoil are peaking.
  • Dolores empathizes with Tara, who questions her own judgment after a string of wrong calls, and marks the point when second-guessing dominates gameplay.
  • Emotional support in the castle: Mark comforting Tara after her breakdown becomes a notable moment.
    • “Mark is like, ‘There is no way that was acting. And if it was, she deserves an Oscar.’” – Wells (11:33)
  • They reminisce about their own experiences as contestants, drawing parallels between competition mentality and real-life betrayals or misplaced trust.

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4. Endgame Strategies and Speculation

Timestamp: 18:10–25:05

• The hosts speculate about Rob’s trajectory, debating if he’ll self-sacrifice or stick to Machiavellian gameplay.
  • “What a great piece of television it would be if he was like, stop, stop, stop. I’ve been a traitor this entire time. Kill me now, you win all the money.” – Wells (19:27)
  • Dolores questions whether Rob could pull a dramatic, selfless twist, but doubts publicists or outside advisors could influence play due to show rules.
• The conversation turns to Natalie’s increasingly sharp game sense and the importance of carefully watching traitor-on-traitor accusations.
  • “By now, people should know when someone calls out another on their way out, it’s usually traitor on traitor.” – Dolores (24:05)

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5. The Roundtable: Betrayal and Badassery

Timestamp: 22:15–36:29

• The most memorable roundtable yet unfolds. Natalie stages a fierce defense and calls out Rob, but is ultimately betrayed by Tara and Johnny, and unanimously banished.
  • “She said it perfectly. … And then she really stuck it to Johnny in the end when she said, don’t say you’re sorry to me.” – Dolores (22:29)
  • Wells and Dolores both praise Natalie’s integrity and composure, with Dolores explicitly saying she reached out to commend her on social.
  • Natalie’s exit—“I’m a faithful. Good job, guys.”—is seen as a dramatic, dignified mic drop (35:32), while Mark’s regretful last-minute vote flip is deemed a pivotal moment.
    • “We're always one decision away from a whole different life.” – Dolores (36:17)

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6. The Aftermath: Tears, Guilt, and Cliffhangers

Timestamp: 36:29–42:28

• Tara is left sobbing in Mark’s arms after betraying Natalie, prompting Dolores and Wells to muse on the discomfort and ethics of such reality TV moments.
  • “It was so uncomfortable for me, the guttural crying.” – Dolores (36:51)
• The episode ends on a classic Traitors cliffhanger—Alan gathers everyone by the coffin, leaving viewers (and the podcasters) guessing who will be murdered next.

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7. Predictions and Teasers for the Finale & Reunion

Timestamp: 39:04–42:56

• Dolores predicts Maura might be the next to go, citing both narrative logic and emotional weight, while Wells leans toward Tara for strategic reasons.
• Both agree Rob is “too good to lose,” with traitors primed to win the season.
• Teasers for the much-anticipated reunion suggest drama, especially potential fireworks between Lisa and Colton.
  • “It sounds very dramatic if the reports are true … Lisa goes after Colton, Colton leaves … then never talk about whatever Lisa got upset with him about.” – Wells (42:28)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dolores, on Judging People:
  “Sometimes give somebody a chance to really get to know them before you just don't like them.” (04:11)

• Wells, on the Game’s Mental Toll:
  “It’s a hard time in that castle.” (10:36)

• Dolores, on The Traitors’ “Weight of Lies”:
  "I don't know how people that are actual pathological liars get through life without that weight burden on your back, because it is heavy. ... The lies come after you, they collect you." (06:10)

• Natalie’s Dramatic Farewell:
  “I’m a faithful. Good job, guys.” (35:32, summarized by hosts in discussion)

• Wells, on Rob’s Manipulation:
  “Why am I not surprised that the really, really good looking 20-something-year-old is able to gaslight all these people so very easily?” (28:05)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Reunion and friendship discussion: 02:07–04:56
• Rob under suspicion, Maura’s loyalty: 05:08–07:45
• Game strategy, traitor weight: 06:10–10:36
• Tara and Mark’s support moment: 10:36–12:00
• Dolores reflects on being betrayed as a contestant: 17:38–18:10
• Possible Rob self-sacrifice/endgame speculation: 19:27–20:44
• Natalie vs. Rob at the roundtable: 22:15–25:05
• Natalie’s final speech and Mark’s regret: 33:32–36:29
• Tara’s tearful aftermath: 36:29–36:57
• Cliffhanger and predictions: 37:07–39:04
• Season finale and reunion teaser: 42:09–42:56

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Conclusion & Takeaways

Wells Adams and Dolores Catania deliver a nuanced, humorous, and heartfelt breakdown of this pivotal Traitors episode. They dive into the crumbling façade of “golden boy” Rob, the exhaustion and regrets piling up for the remaining faithful, and the magnified intensity of every move and betrayal.

Highlights include their praise for Natalie’s dignity, speculation about Rob’s next move, sharp analysis of roundtable dynamics, and their compassion for the psychological challenges contestants face. The hosts stoke anticipation for both the heart-stopping finale and reunion, promising more drama and insight in the next episode.

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For listeners who haven’t watched the show, this recap captures both the strategy and the souls at play—drama, game theory, and raw human emotion, all delivered with the wit and candor fans have come to expect from the Two Ts In A Pod universe.

Transcript

[Jill Winterstein]

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[Dolores Catania]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Dolores Catania]

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[Wells Adams]

This is Special Agent Riegel, Special Agent Bradley Hall.

[Special Agent Riegel]

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[Special Agent Riegel]

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[Nancy Glass]

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[Amanda Knox]

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[Dolores Catania]

Evidence has been made to fit.

[Wells Adams]

The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapsed.

[Amanda Knox]

What if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe?

[Jill Winterstein]

Oh, my God. I think she might be innocent.

[Amanda Knox]

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[Wells Adams]

Welcome in all you faithfuls and traders for another episode of By Order. The Faithfuls. Wells Adams here alongside Dolores Catania. Dolores, I gotta say, you look stunning today.

[Dolores Catania]

Thank you so much. You are always full of compliments, but,

[Wells Adams]

like, I feel like today you are really, like, it's on point. Were you filming something? Like, what's happening here? You look like you're 22 years old.

[Dolores Catania]

I do? Oh, my God. Thank you. Well, yes, I was filming a podcast in Miami. Glow and Tell my friend Marissa's podcast. So, yeah, it was so much fun. Glow and tell.

[Wells Adams]

Blow and tell.

[Dolores Catania]

No, not blow and tell. Glow and tell.

[Wells Adams]

I'm hearing below.

[Dolores Catania]

It's about a glow up. It's. It's like female talk, women talk. You know, gossip, women's health, things like that. So.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, well, you came correct to that one and to this podcast. Thank you for joining the show. I'm so sorry that I've been gone for the past, like, three episodes.

[Dolores Catania]

You've been missed.

[Wells Adams]

I know. I hope you guys have been able to, like, handle the show without me.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, we handled it, but it's just not as good. I mean, you know, you're really amazing, I have to say. You know, and I. You wanted really, the truth. When I first met you, I didn't think you were that nice. And I think you're the nicest person I ever met in my life.

[Wells Adams]

Wait, wait, when. When we met on the show?

[Dolores Catania]

No, after the show, you seemed like. Yeah, you seemed cranky. And at the Active reunion, you. You seemed cranky, too.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

And I just think, like, it was so wrong. I'm glad I gave you a chance.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, well, I think I was cranky at the reunion because I was like, I don't know why I'm here. I wasn't on this television show. But I'm sorry that I. I need to do better about that when I get into, like, business mode, like, if I, like. I think when you're talking about, like, when we had the photo shoot, it's like, when I'm doing that, like, I'm just focusing on that and not trying to be as gregarious, but, you know, that's probably why I didn't do very well on Traders.

[Dolores Catania]

It couldn't be more wrong. Like, you are just such a gentleman, and you're so kind, and I love how you are with your wife and your little. You know, how I feel about your picture behind you, and it's just. I just think you're great. So, you know, sometimes give somebody a chance to really get to know them before you just don't like them.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

I would have been missing out on this.

[Wells Adams]

One of my favorite quotes is be kind for everyone, you know, is fighting a hard battle.

[Dolores Catania]

And that's true. And you know what one of my favorite quotes are from Streetcar Named Desire? Blanche dubois said she depended on the kindness of a stranger. So, yeah, I guess we're on the same page.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. We need to talk about episode 10 of season four of Traitors, because it feels like we are. I Think we're in the penultimate episode.

[Dolores Catania]

It's the semifinals.

[Wells Adams]

It seems like the walls are closing in a bit on pretty boy snake charmer Rob.

[Dolores Catania]

That's how I feel about Mora. Really? Like, how you're like, ew, you're so good, like a snake boy charmer. And I'm like, shut up, Maura. Talk. Or don't talk at all, or make some sense somewhere. Finish a sentence. But you're pretty, so shut up.

[Wells Adams]

Well, I. I'm not, like, saying that the walls are closing in him because he's so handsome, because he is. He is very handsome. But I will say that everyone in that castle has been diplomatized by this man for a very long time. And I feel like now they're starting to see some cracks.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, it's. The walls are closing in, and he's starting to feel it. So they come down to breakfast. Right. And every trader goes through this during this time. It is the weight of lying.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know how people that are actual pathological liars get through life without that weight burden on your back, because it is heavy. Like, the lies come after you. They collect you. It's heavy. And I'm painfully honest, by the way. And even at my own expense, or even if it's going to hurt me, I'm honest. I can't live a lie. And these people really aren't inherent liars. It doesn't seem to be. And he's at that breakfast table, looking so defeated with his big cheerleader sitting next to him, who. He's looking at this girl saying, another guy's like, this is what I'm just going to think. Like, I don't think he was thinking this, but, like, she was cheated on. That's the reason she was on, what, Love Island. Or is it. You know her from Love island, right?

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah. So she went on despite her boyfriend who lied to her, and here she is sitting in front of someone else who now she's given another man she's given all her trust to who's lying to her. And it's bothering him because she's, like, looking up to him and she's following. Following him around the castle. Like, you know, he's. He's the guy, you know, And I feel bad. I feel bad for him, and I also feel bad for her in this moment.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Watching it back has got to be tough to see how, like, wrong you were about someone. And I keep thinking about. I try to prognosticate into the future of, like, if it comes down to Rob and Mora at the end, I don't think that Maura will say, I think you're a traitor. I think that right to the end,

[Dolores Catania]

she's gonna stand by him.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. And I think that I. I'm actually not sure if he's gonna make it that far, but, like, it's. It. It might break her. It might break them both to, like, be at the end. And then he has to be like, actually, I'm a traitor, and I don't know what's going to happen with Maura when she hears that information, if that comes to fruition. But it's a. It's an interesting thing, you know, like, Eric and Rob in this turret, I think they're a very good team. They're very unassuming.

[Dolores Catania]

They are.

[Wells Adams]

Rob is the mastermind. Eric is just like, I'm just here and tell me what to do.

[Dolores Catania]

He's a little bit of a shield, as far as I can see.

[Wells Adams]

100%. I. I was a little surprised, you know, at breakfast, we find out that Kristen was the one that was murdered, and Kristen was the one who was saying, like, it's Eric at the end of the night, and if I end up dead, it's gonna be Eric. I'm surprised that they went that route, because it then shows. Shines a light on to Eric.

[Dolores Catania]

I did think about that, but Kristin did not speak on that to a lot of people, so she was smart about it, but she said it to the wrong person.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

And that's the problem. That's where this problem comes in, and that's why she was murdered.

[Wells Adams]

She also says it to Rob, and that information is gold to Rob. Right. Like, because he can either get rid of him. Yeah. He can divulge that to Eric and be like, I don't know if it's a good idea for you to get rid of Kristen because of this is what it said. Or, yeah, sure. If that's who you want to go after, then fine. And then I have plausible deniability tomorrow when I vote. If I vote you out.

[Dolores Catania]

You know, he could have turned on him. Sure. That was his chance. I was wondering what he was going to do with that information, but he's not. I don't think he's done with Eric. He still needs him.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. We can't talk about this episode without talking about Tara. It seems like this show is, like, really, like, it's getting to Rob in a way of, like, the weight of lies are starting to weigh him down, and you can, like, see it in his face. At that breakfast, I'm sitting there thinking, if I'm still there, I'm looking at Rob being like, you look tired. You look like you're dead done. And when I think of someone who's tired, I think of someone who's a trader because they have to stay up much later than everybody else because they got to be in that turret.

[Dolores Catania]

Right. But everybody's so tired at this point. It's getting rough. It is starting to get rough. It's about that time when things start to really weigh heavy. The end is so close. The pot, the winner, the pot of gold. The money's at the tip of your fingers. So close. But it's so far, because every second you could get thrown out of this game. Yeah, it's a hard time in that castle.

[Wells Adams]

My heart breaks for Tara because I think what's breaking her is the fact that she has been wrong so often, and she is starting to question, like, I think her own intelligence or her. Her own instincts in the show.

[Dolores Catania]

With your head, for sure.

[Wells Adams]

That's the point of the game. And. But I. There's, like, a part of me that wants, like, wrap my arms around and be like, it's okay. Like, we all were. Have been wrong on this show.

[Dolores Catania]

Mark does do that 100%.

[Wells Adams]

And I'm.

[Dolores Catania]

He's like, it's. No one's ever done that for me before. And I know you believe me. I know you know that's true.

[Wells Adams]

No, I'm. Paul has. Has wrapped his arms around.

[Dolores Catania]

Not one man has ever said it. It's going to be okay. Maybe if I cry, that would call for that.

[Wells Adams]

You have to, you know.

[Dolores Catania]

Do I have to cry to get that, Wells?

[Wells Adams]

Yes.

[Dolores Catania]

I mean, not to digress. Off of my life right now, but, like, I was like, I know, but he.

[Wells Adams]

You know, in that moment. That's really sweet. And it also is, like, really powerful for Tara, even though I don't even know if she thinks it's powerful, is because Mark is like, there is no way that that was acting. And if it was, she deserves an Oscar. I think that's what he says.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, I've had. So there was some good acting on our season, let me tell you. Danielle was convulsing on the floor.

[Wells Adams]

Oh, I know. That was bad acting, though.

[Dolores Catania]

That's true.

[Wells Adams]

That was too much.

[Dolores Catania]

But you do know that even the. The traitors cry when they vote somebody out. Look at how Brit fell apart when she voted Danielle. I mean, she literally unraveled. So a traitor can get that upset about getting out of faithful and being upset about it because they feel bad. I mean, you have to have a conscience if you're unconscionable. The best trader is an unconscionable trader for sure.

[Jill Winterstein]

Hi, this is Jo Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter Podcast where we talk about astrology, natal charts and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a

[Dolores Catania]

mini driver, the Irish traveler said when I was 16.

[Wells Adams]

You're going to have a terrible time with men.

[Jill Winterstein]

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[Dolores Catania]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Amanda Knox]

In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief.

[Wells Adams]

The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.

[Amanda Knox]

Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict. A villain. A nurse named Lucy Letby.

[Dolores Catania]

Lucy Letby has been found guilty.

[Amanda Knox]

But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Wells Adams]

The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses.

[Amanda Knox]

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[Jill Winterstein]

No voicing of any skepticism or doubt.

[Wells Adams]

It'll cause so much harm at every

[Special Agent Riegel]

single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.

[Amanda Knox]

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[Special Agent Riegel]

China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside.

[Wells Adams]

This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

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[Wells Adams]

I now have several terabytes of an

[Special Agent Riegel]

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[Ben Higgins]

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[Special Agent Riegel]

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[Wells Adams]

So Tara, as misguided as she feels she is, it's interesting because she's actually on the right trail. She suspect Rob is a traitor. She talks to Natalie. They try to recruit Maura to vote with them. And that, to me, that was like, you should have gone after Mark over Maura more. I feel like is never gonna go dictified. Yes, she is. She is dictified. Yes.

[Dolores Catania]

This girl, she's gonna be like, I trusted another guy and he lied. I mean, it's not gonna. I don't know how she feels now, but yeah, yeah, you know, you really do. I'm. I'm gonna tell you, it takes its toll being a liar and trusting someone. When you leave this game and you, you know, you go to the end in that sense. You do, really. I'm going to tell you, it does take a little bit of time to come back.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. You know, very few people have been in your position, which is the same position that the rest of the cast is in right now, of being like the select few that are there for the, you know, second to last episode. What is the. What was the feeling like for you the day before the last challenge roundtable vote? All that kind of stuff. Was it just like, I'm just ready for this to be over or I'm So excited because I can see the finish line, and I want to win. What was the. What is the feeling at this. This point in the game?

[Dolores Catania]

It gets to be. I see. I'm very good at disconnecting myself to my feelings, if you didn't know. So I. So I. I didn't let the feelings get. Get to me and get into the game. But you're like. You're just. It's almost surreal for me. I can only speak for me, but I know that the people that are really strategically playing the game, it's, like, really grading on them because it's a mental and physical toll. See, I didn't let it mentally get into my head until I was fooled by Danielle, where I'm wondering how, you know, how Maura is with Rob. I was that way with Danielle because Danielle sworn her kids to me. And for me and where I come from and what I believe. And of course, that's changed. I understand now you can lie in a game and it's still okay. But. But for, like, I. I'm starting to feel like. What is more going to feel like when she finds out that he's a traitor him, Is she going to be the next one for him to kill? Because I think to let her down easily, he would. It would be better to murder her than to bring her into that fire pit and kill her in front of that fire pit.

[Wells Adams]

There's a part of me that wants him, if it comes down to them, too. What a great storyline. What a great piece of television it would be if he was like, stop, stop, stop. I've been a traitor this entire time. Kill me now, you win all the money.

[Dolores Catania]

Oh, my God. That's like. That's like a Boston Rob love love affair.

[Wells Adams]

Can you imagine?

[Dolores Catania]

And then they get married and have four beautiful girls and run off into the sunset.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

So that's like. Yeah. Can you imagine? Wow. That would be like, wow. Alan Cumming would be on the floor.

[Wells Adams]

Oh, yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

That would be insane. Imagine if that happens. No, wait. Oh, my God. I'm dying. I got chills. I'm dying over that. What? If that ever happens, that can happen.

[Special Agent Riegel]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

Well, I think it happened in season one, Right? Didn't. Didn't they?

[Dolores Catania]

Somebody dismissed himself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, I'm gonna leave now.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. Listen, if I'm Rob's publicist, I'm thinking, hey, listen, split, you know, winning $180,000, that's great money or whatever it is, but having the admiration and love of an entire country behind you, you should go ahead and admit defeat to Maura and then go get married and have beautiful children.

[Dolores Catania]

I think he can't do that because he can't speak to anybody about the game. So he's not going to be able to get that kind of advice. That's number one. And the other, like, if he's like, his publicist isn't going to be able to tell him because.

[Wells Adams]

No, I know.

[Dolores Catania]

Publicist doesn't know the game. Right. But yes, if you wore his. If you were in his ear saying, this is what you should do. But I got news for you. He doesn't have to do that because I'm curious to see how he blows up after this. Which you missed the last episode where Tamara was saying, this guy's gonna blow up.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I. Like I said, I think the walls are closing in around him. I'm surprised that, you know, the. The stink is off Eric in this episode. And it goes over to Rob. You know, Natalie's not wrong where she's like, I gotta figure out I'm not looking in the right direction. I need to start looking in. In, you know, at people that I haven't been. And also, why am I still here? And it does make sense. Rob has kept her around because they've. They've been close, and she's spot on. You know, this challenge that they are, this mission that they go on, the spinning carousel thing, it could have gone really poorly for the traders, but it doesn't with Eric and ending up winning the whole thing and getting the shield or whatnot. So then they can really just kill whoever they want. But this roundtable, it was very, very interesting, and it was kind of one of the. One of my favorite ones thus far

[Dolores Catania]

this season or are collectively this season, I think. Okay, I want to tell you, I've been dming Natalie. I have so much respect for her, how she handles herself at this roundtable.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

When she said it could have been like. So it was something I think I would say. She goes, you and I are on the same page all day. I'm willing to throw myself on a sword, quote, unquote, on a sword. For somebody who I've been close to this whole game, who. The reason I'm still here is because of him, and you're gonna back out on me now? You like? She was. She called it. She said it perfectly. And then she really stuck it to Johnny in the end when she said, don't say you're sorry to me. And I love when people take. When someone takes. Don't say you're sorry away from you. Because really, when I say I'm sorry, like when someone apologizes to you for something they've done wrong or whatever it is, they feel better. They're like, I got a little bit. Feel a little better about what I did because I said I was sorry. She took that away from him. Natalie's a badass. I love her. I. And. And I love the way she handles herself. But I loved when Mark threw the. Threw the chalkboard off the table.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Like, so intense.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

It was.

[Wells Adams]

It was such a good round table. Obviously, you know, Natalie calls out Rob. Rob has like a. Okay defense, but, like, not great.

[Dolores Catania]

Like, Rob hasn't had any defense the whole time, ever.

[Wells Adams]

It's a little laissez faire. Like, when he's just so, like, laid back and, like, you know, like, that's crazy. But the truth of the matter is that Candace throwing out his name earlier in the game was a huge red flag that people are taking a long time to. To clock. Right.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, yeah. Well, it's because by now, people should know that when somebody calls your. Somebody else's name out when they're. When they are a traitor.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

And they're standing on that circle of truth, and they say they get in a fight with the person. Usually it's traitor on traitor, and they'll call out the other person on their way out the door, and it's a traitor. Pay attention to that. And by now, Natalie was right. She studied these shows before her. By now, you kind of have to take that into consideration.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. The problem that Natalie has is that Rob's has held on to this dagger for so long, which gives him two votes, and so the numbers are off. And I. And I do think that that's how Natalie knows that she's cooked. Right. Is that we had to have these certain amount of numbers. And Tara, the fact that you are now abandoning me in this moment. I'm cooked.

[Dolores Catania]

Well, she knew it was the total. It was like the. Such betrayal and the fact that he's. She's the one he got the dagger from. Let's put that into. She had it and she lost it to him.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Because she don't know how to lie. Yeah, girl, look him straight in the face.

[Wells Adams]

But listen, Rob, I guess, convinces everyone or Nally doesn't do a good enough job convincing everyone of Rob. It's unanimous. Everyone votes for Natalie except for Natalie, who votes for Tara, who I just feel like that was just a. I'm voting for you because f you you know what?

[Dolores Catania]

She was going down, and she was just like, I have nothing to lose with who I vote for. I'm going down anyway. So she threw the vote at Tara.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

And I get that because she was so mad. She knew no one was voting for Rob at this point. Point it wasn't going to go in her favor. So she said, on my way out, I'm just going to give it that last. You know, when that person, right before they die, they get that last fight. That's. That was all that was. And, I mean, I think it was a great roundtable for her. It was really good. It's so funny how Rob takes the defense in. Every single time he's been accused or he's gone at someone, he gets mad at them for coming for him. He actually really gets mad. Even in his confessionals, he's like, candace came for me or this or that or whatever. You know, they'll have to get over it. I went for Lisa, but he always gets mad at somebody for coming for him. Dude, you're a traitor. What are you getting so pissed off about? It is just a game, you know.

[Wells Adams]

What did you think about him being so upset? Like, it's one thing to be kind of like the weight of lies really bogging you down at breakfast, but then at the mission, you know, he is.

[Dolores Catania]

He.

[Wells Adams]

You know, his chair is pulled out from Ring around the Rosie or whatever, and. And so he can't play. So he gets really upset. He gets mad at Mark for being like, you only got 750. But I'd be like, dude, shut up. I got faster than you. What do you want me to do? Do you think that was bad acting? Do you think that was him being, like, being a brat? Like, what do you think that was?

[Dolores Catania]

I'll tell you exactly what it was. He's not acting really. He was worried about the. He's thinking he's going to win now.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

He's thinking about the money, and he's being a little brat. So I think our golden boy is. Got a little different side to him that's coming out here and there now that he's so tired and cranky and, you know, the. The true colors come out after a while. And that little nasty little thing there that I noticed.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

And I said to myself, not maybe as nice as we think.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. A little chink in the armor for sure.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

You know, I was. I was talking with my friend Brandy about it, and. And she had a good take. She was like, why am I not surprised that the really, really good looking 20 something year old is able to gaslight all these people so very easily. And I was like, yeah, that's because

[Dolores Catania]

it's not his first rodeo with gaslighting. Maybe.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

I think Brandy's had her share of gaslighting if she notices it so. Well, from a young, good looking guy.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

I'm just gonna call it a hunch, but I think Brandy's seen this before.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, she's, she's read this book.

[Dolores Catania]

Sorry, Rob. I mean, we can't make, you know, we gotta tell you talk about what we see. We're telling the truth.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. I mean, you seem like a lovely guy, but I feel like I saw maybe a little bit more of who you really are in that moment. Maybe not. Maybe that was just a weak moment, but.

[Dolores Catania]

Or maybe it's just like when I thought you were a dick when you weren't. Yeah, maybe we just think he's a dick and he's not. Right.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, exactly. You can't judge a book by them

[Dolores Catania]

being a traitor by a bad, A. A bad, you know, encounter in the, in the elevator.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Jill Winterstein]

Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast where we talk about astrology, natal charts and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a

[Dolores Catania]

mini driver, the Irish traveler said when

[Wells Adams]

I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men.

[Jill Winterstein]

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[Dolores Catania]

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[Jill Winterstein]

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[Ben Higgins]

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[Amanda Knox]

In 2023, a story gripped the UK evoking horror and disbelief.

[Wells Adams]

The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most proliferated child killer in modern British history.

[Amanda Knox]

Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict. A villain, a nurse named Lucy Letby.

[Dolores Catania]

Lucy Letby has been found guilty.

[Amanda Knox]

But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Wells Adams]

The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses.

[Amanda Knox]

I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast the Case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was.

[Jill Winterstein]

No voicing of any skepticism or doubt.

[Wells Adams]

It'll cause so much harm at every

[Special Agent Riegel]

single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.

[Amanda Knox]

Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Special Agent Riegel]

China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside.

[Wells Adams]

This is Special Agent Riegel, Special Agent Bradley Hall.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

This MSS officer has no idea the US government is onto him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast.

[Special Agent Riegel]

I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer.

[Wells Adams]

No doubt, no question, question of his life.

[Special Agent Riegel]

And that's the unicorn.

[Ben Higgins]

No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable.

[Special Agent Riegel]

This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Wells Adams]

After Natalie gets banished. You said. You said it best. Taking the power away from Johnny to say I'm sorry was amazing. Her getting up there in the circle and being like, I'm a faithful. But then also, you know, it's. What I loved about her speech was it's. It's very obvious that Natalie is strong physically like she is in insane shape. And also I think that, like, she is a strong woman and. And she's, you know, a gamer, been on Survivor and all that, you know, all this stuff.

[Dolores Catania]

Smart, super smart.

[Wells Adams]

But she has this moment where she's just like. She shows the vulnerable side of herself of, like, I let you guys in a little too much. I try to be the strong one. And some, you know, like, whatever.

[Dolores Catania]

She let her guard down is how she explained it. And that speaks a lot to her life. Like, you can only imagine her saying, you know, you learn a lot about people in this castle and in this game, even as a spectator. So I'm going to say that Natalie always hasn't had it maybe so easy, right? Yeah. Because I see a little bit of myself in her. And I see and I understand when she says people think I'm so hard because I have always had to be so strong or I've tried to be so strong for everyone my whole life or myself. And I don't typically let my guard down. And. And she's like, but I have feelings, you know, And I think that her hurt feelings showed off as anger at that roundtable. Yeah, I agree with every way she felt.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, I. You know, I'm not sure if I. Not sure if I was or wasn't a fan of Natalie up until this episode, but I left it being like, yeah, I. I like her. She's a bad bitch.

[Dolores Catania]

And I commented on her thing. You should go comment. If that's how you feel about her, let her know she needs the support right now.

[Wells Adams]

Okay, I will. I'm not even sure if I follow her, but I'll do that tonight. And then I loved that she was like, I'm a faithful. And then she turns around and walks out and says, good job, guys. Which is like the dagger twisted, like.

[Dolores Catania]

And that's when Mark flips so dramatically. Fix. He didn't want to vote for her. Why did he. Why did he change? And Tara and Johnny, why did you not stand behind her? You would have got out the biggest traitor in history. This would have changed the whole trajectory of what this whole season was about. It was right there. And it just goes to show you, we're always one decision away from a whole different life.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. From success or failure, I suppose.

[Dolores Catania]

Isn't it crazy? This game is so good, I don't even know what to say anymore. And I'm learning more how to play. But she went in this game knowing how to play it.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. So, you know, after that round table's over, Tara starts Crying and into Mark's arms. Are you playing the smallest violin ever for her? Because she went against what she had.

[Dolores Catania]

Like, you know, I get very uncomfortable with those type of things.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

It was so uncomfortable for me, the. The guttural crying.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

And him saying, it's okay. It's okay. I can't even talk about it.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Never, Wells. Never.

[Wells Adams]

Never. Alan rings the bell, and everyone gathers in front of the castle by a single coffin. We, of course, are left on a cliffhanger. Of all the people available to be murdered. Who do you think is next to go?

[Dolores Catania]

Well, if Maura goes, I will be so happy for her because she will have been right for the first time.

[Wells Adams]

Pretty much, yes.

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know if she picked a traitor in the past, but she's like, I'm definitely going. I'm going to. It's definitely me. It's definitely me. How did she know? Did somebody tip her off?

[Wells Adams]

You want to know what I think? Because I think that More is a lot smarter than we're giving her credit for or we're seeing on the show. But I think that when she sat down at that breakfast table that earlier that morning and told Rob, you know, like, if. If you're a traitor, like, it's going to. It's going to break me.

[Dolores Catania]

Right? I do. Listen, I know. I mean, it was. It was with Danielle, like, the after. Let me explain to you. My vote for Brittany was very easy after getting stabbed in the back by Danielle.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

But I. But I just wonder if, you know, Maura, she says that in the morning, they all vote wrong. They go after Natalie, and I wonder if she's sitting there thinking, okay, we were wrong about Natalie. Maybe Natalie was right about Rob. And I would assume that Rob would get rid of me now because he knows how much it would break me to be at the end with him. I wonder if that's what she's thinking.

[Dolores Catania]

It's a very deep thought.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

And I have to be honest with you. I don't think it goes that deep.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, so you do. But do you think it's Maura, or do you think it's.

[Dolores Catania]

I think more. I think it's more, and I think More just has a feeling, But I don't think that she's going as far as to say, he's saving me by killing me.

[Wells Adams]

Do you think? Okay, so let's. Let's get into the mindset of why. Why Rob would want to kill Mora. Because Maura is Team Rob. Right. Like, I feel like he thinks he can manipulate her and kind of like, ride her to.

[Dolores Catania]

He doesn't need

[Wells Adams]

to be, you know, to be there at the end. So. So then is it getting rid of Maura gives him plausible deniability that, of course it's not me, because I would never have gotten rid of the girl that I might be having a showmance with. But obviously, I have been very close to.

[Dolores Catania]

No, he's thinking like a traitor.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

That's for sure. He's getting rid of her because he would say, why would I get rid of my, you know, my person for

[Wells Adams]

me if I were them? There's a world in which I'm getting rid of either Johnny or Tara because they vote in lockstep. So they're effectively a vote in a dad.

[Dolores Catania]

It's a numbers vote. Yeah.

[Wells Adams]

So I kind of want to split them apart. I'm probably going after Tara because she's kind of said, I don't want to be here anymore. I think that there is still suspicion on Johnny. I think that people want to keep Johnny.

[Dolores Catania]

Then you want to keep Johnny for the Shield.

[Wells Adams]

Absolutely. That's. So you think Maura. I think I think Tara.

[Dolores Catania]

I think, I think Maura. Because the heat is on Rob.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Because, you know, after somebody leaves, when it's between the two, the next person they're looking at is Rob.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

And it was. And Natalie made a lot of sense as to why it was Rob. Right. But she spent more time at that table being mad at Tara than putting the nail in the coffin for Rob, which I didn't agree with, but she was blindsided.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah, you're right. She spent too much of that, the, the equity of that time on being angry at Tara and not at the, the prize, which was figuring out a way to convince everyone that Rob was, in fact and is a traitor. What do you think is going to happen at the end?

[Dolores Catania]

I don't know. I think Rob's too good to lose how I feel.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah. I, I, I've been saying this, I think from the beginning. I think the traders are going to win this one, which I think is fun. Tv.

[Dolores Catania]

Say that in the beginning. Yes.

[Wells Adams]

I wouldn't be surprised if both Rob and Eric are still there at the end. I don't think. I think the.

[Dolores Catania]

I think he's going to use Eric. I think Eric's going to.

[Wells Adams]

Yeah.

[Dolores Catania]

Somehow get voted out.

[Wells Adams]

Mm.

[Dolores Catania]

And he. I find him going around the fire pit with the last two people, maybe, and he gets rid of them both and he wins. That's what I, that's what I say.

[Wells Adams]

Well, we shall see. Only one more episode left of season four of the Traitors. This one has been a banger of a season. And of course, we have the reunion, which I've been gone the past couple of episodes, but, like, there's a lot of things coming out about the reunion.

[Dolores Catania]

There's some housewives. Housewives make a good reunion.

[Wells Adams]

It sounds very dramatic if, if the reports are true, especially so. This is what I heard, and I don't know if this is true or not, but what I heard was that Lisa goes after Colton, Colton leaves and then doesn't want to come back on the show, but comes back, but then they never talk about whatever Lisa got upset with him about. I'm interested to see if that is true or if that's all just Internet fodder.

[Dolores Catania]

All right, well, what we are gonna

[Wells Adams]

say, we are thank you all for listening to another episode of By Order of the Faithfuls. If you're not following us on social media, please do act by order the Faithfuls on Instagram dms. Any questions, concerns you have there. We are going to be talking to Natalie. Natalie's going to be coming on the show. That is going to be fun. We're really gonna get the scoop about how that last round table really went down and maybe, maybe get a little bit of a tease for what's going to happen.

[Dolores Catania]

Natalie's a good, good girl.

[Wells Adams]

She is. I, I, I like her a lot. I'm gonna go follow her and give

[Dolores Catania]

her a. Yeah, go give her some support. I gave her some love today. All right, cool.

[Wells Adams]

Dolores, as always, it's lovely to see you. You look fantastic, and I can't wait to see you again very, very soon for another episode of By Order of the Faithfuls.

[Dolores Catania]

Looking forward to it.

[Wells Adams]

Bye, guys.

[Dolores Catania]

Bye.

[Wells Adams]

This is special agent Riegel, Special agent Bradley Hall.

[Special Agent Riegel]

In 2018, the FBI took down a ring of spies working for China's Ministry of State Security, one of the most mysterious intelligence agencies in the world.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

The sixth Bureau podcast is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets.

[Special Agent Riegel]

Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jill Winterstein]

Hi, it's Jill Interestine, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And today I'm talking with my dear friend Krista Williams.

[Dolores Catania]

It can change you in the best way possible.

[Amanda Knox]

Dance with the change.

[Jill Winterstein]

Dance with the breakdowns, the embodiment of Pisces intuition with Capricorn power moves.

[Dolores Catania]

So I'm like, delusionally proud of my chart.

[Jill Winterstein]

Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you listen to your podcast.

[Nancy Glass]

I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpride became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything.

[Narrator (6th Bureau Podcast)]

I was a monster.

[Nancy Glass]

Listen to Burden of guilt season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amanda Knox]

I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast the Case of Lucy Letby, we unpack the story of an unimaginable tragedy that gripped the UK in 2023. But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Dolores Catania]

Evidence has been made to fit.

[Wells Adams]

The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapsed.

[Amanda Knox]

What if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe?

[Jill Winterstein]

Oh my God. I think she might be innocent.

[Amanda Knox]

Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.